Mark R. Wieber (a.k.a. Gunner) Cliff Notes Version 1

[whoyakidding's ghost]

Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
Asch.

Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
1971, and was followed up by periodic small amounts of time, on the
MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6

His habit is to write tall tales to top anyone he's debating. If his
opponent dares dispute any of the tales then Wieber follows up with
ever more elaboration and exaggeration. He frequently promises to put
his critics on "the list" so that they will be "hung from lamp posts"
during "the great cull" which is perennially just over the horizon.
This tactic is usually accompanied by multiple detailed descriptions
of gory deaths.

Typical thread example http://tinyurl.com/amh8gjn
-------------------------------

Photos of Wieber

He sometimes posts a photo of himself in one of his clown costumes.
http://tinyurl.com/a7oha4b Presumably he imagines it will scare
readers into believing he might shoot them from miles away.

The reality is that he's a Usenet Walter Mitty whose main talent is
slowly culling himself by way of copious infusions of nicotine and
Mountain Dew. He'd have died years ago if not for multiple rescues by
the social welfare system he despises. http://tinyurl.com/ab7fb4p
--------------------------------

Plugged arteries, heavy smoking, Mountain Dew and one handed pullups.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/1f36c4ad63bee0ac
---------------------------------

Wieber likes to pretend that he lives on ranch acreage, prepared to
survive the apocalypses he constantly warns everyone to fear. He has
variously described the grounds as

"3/4 of an acre"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c38ec69b

"Several acres"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/3d5d25863209cdc3

In reality it's a city lot with a shabby mobile home and tons of
clutter.
http://goo.gl/maps/TEXoU Google street view
http://tinyurl.com/yjxbmjq County property record, typically showing
his struggle to make $100 payments.

The Wieber Inc. company conference table. http://tinyurl.com/6v9u9hr
The corporate pool in the shop basement. http://tinyurl.com/7y3hn68
--------------------------

Wieber claims to be very skilled at many trades. He also insists he's
a hard worker despite the obvious contradiction with all the posting.

Yet the evidence is 30 years of liens and judgments.
http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkp http://tinyurl.com/l68gh3
-------------------------------

Sexual Prowess

One of Wieber's many descriptions of sexual conquest and expertise,
this time dating a black Victoria's Secret model.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/76b0aba944fe26da

His charming description of one of his secret techniques.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/92cccf38b22d36fb

Listen up ladies: if you find teeth a turn-off then Weiber's your man.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/488c6a00c55ffdcf
---------------------------------

Wieber's chronicle of the years 1976-2000. Unrequited love, wife and
kid from hell, trash and bills sneaking up for years, etc. In his own
words "disgusting."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/94ecb1feee7c3603
-------------------------------

Wieber's detailed description of his Friends List, a personal army of
"computer wienies," ready to track down his online enemies so that his
other friends can execute the offenders, yada yada.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/51ccf1d67151a862

One of the above mentioned friends, and Wieber's most loyal sycophant
and defender for many years, the fearsome Tom Gardner.
http://www.neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG
------------------------------------

One version of his story of serving in Vietnam despite the fact that
he was too young to have enlisted.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/503604f47159259d

One of his explanations for why he can't produce his service
documentation.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/a41c6783dbf70507
---------------------------------------

Name an occupation and Wieber will claim to have substantial
experience. The trouble is that after so many hundreds of thousands of
posts he can't possibly keep track of who he's one-upped, including
himself.

The amazing Deputy Pinocchio story.

"I dabbled as a reserve Deputy for a couple years"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/50864f4b5ffce244

"a reserve Deputy at night (two years)"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/daf6b3de8807600c

"Worked for 5 yrs as a reserve Sheriff's Deputy"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c38ec69b

"I was a Deputy for several years in the 70s"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0f875239e83efa41

"8 yrs on the street as a cop"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/898e16741f642645
-----------------------------------

The stupendous Wieber tops world records!

264 mph motorcycle
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/504734f74873c17f

42 knot Hobie Cat
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0042848ac1416cbe

2 foot centipede
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/e32c62114ea73910

Drives 10 million miles
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/ce00195d4af80a15

Only 1 million on "scooters" though.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7dc2a66a8a53c2d6
-------------------------------------

Self professed animal lover.

Except for beating one dog.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/551e94166afc0da2

And hanging another from a choker chain. A redneck classic.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/5e8ae7330e8be437
--------------------

Wieber's funniest lies.

"I never lie"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/0264cc658d2e57fb

"I never lie"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/9ef5f530780d8194
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And in case you couldn't guess, here are a couple of his IQ stories.

"mid 150s"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/60beacdc8a0bd420

"165"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/b8b3afb9ad1fd63f
-----------------------

Finally, for music lovers, the Wieber theme song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waQOS3hKIa8

Talking Hard Work
Words and Music by Woody Guthrie

While we're on the subject of hard work
I just wanted to say that I always was a man to work.

I was born working and I worked my way up by hard work.
I ain't never go nowhere yet but I got there by hard work:
Work of the hardest kind.
I been down and I been out
And I've been busted, disgusted and couldn't be trusted.
I worked my way up and I worked my way down.

I've been drunk and I've been sober. I've had hard times and I got
hijacked
And been robbed for cash and robbed for credit.
Worked my way into jail and outta jail
And I woke up alotta mornings and I didn't even know where I was at.

But the hardest work I ever done is when I was trying to get myself
a worried woman to ease my worried mind.
Now I'm gonna tell you just about how much hard work I had to do to
get this here
women that I'm a-tellin you about.

I shook hands with 97 of her kinfolks and her blood relatives and I
done the same with 86 people that was just her friends and her
neighbors.
Kissed 73 babies and put dry pants on 34 of em' as well as others
And done the same thing several times - as well as a lot of other
things
just about like this.

I held 125 head of wild horses, put saddles and bridles on more that
that,
harnessed some of the craziest, wildest teams in the whole country.
I rode 14 loco broncos to a dead standstill and let 42 hound dogs lick
me all over.
Seven times I was bit by hungry dogs and I was chewed all to pieces by
water moccasins and rattlesnakes on two separate river bottoms.
I chopped and I carried 314 armloads of stove wood, 100 buckets of
coal,
and I carried a gallon of kerosene 18 miles over the mountains, got
lost,
lost a pair of shoes in a mud hole.
And I chopped and I weeded 48 rows of short cotton, 13 acres of bad
corn
and cut sticker weeds out of 11 back yards.
All on accounta' cause I wanted to show her that I was a man a I liked
to work.

I cleaned out 9 barnloads and cranked 31 automobiles, all makes and
models.
Pulled 3 cars out of mud holes and 4 out of snowdrifts.
I dug 5 cisterns of water for some of her friends and neighbors
and run all kinds of errands.

I played the fiddle for 9 churches meetings and I joined 11 separate
denominations.
I signed up and joined up for 7 of the best trade unions I could find
And paid my dues about 6 weeks ahead of time.

Waded 40 miles of swamps, 60 big rivers,
Walked across 2 mountain ranges and crossed three deserts.
I got the fever and I got sunstroke and I got malaria and I got the
flu
and I got moonstruck and skeeter bit, the poison ivy and the 7 year
itch
and the blind staggers.

I was given up for lost and dead about 2 dozen times.
Struck by lightning, struck by Congress, struck by friends and
kinfolks
as well as by three cars on the highways and a lotta times in peoples
hen-houses.
I been hit and run down and run over and walked on and knocked around
And I'm just settin' here now trying to study up what else I can do to
show
that woman that I still ain't afraid of hard work.

[Delvin Benet]

On 1/7/2013 9:11 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
> Asch.
>
> Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
> thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
> 1971, and was followed up by periodic small amounts of time, on the
> MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
> net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva"
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6

gummer dwieber was not on any kind of "net" in 1971. gummer graduated
high school in 1971. He claims he immediately went into the army, and
grunts did not have computer access in 1971 - for anything. There were
no PCs then, and access to a host computer required a dumb terminal, and
there weren't many of them. When I first got into commercial computer
programming in 1976, at a big insurance company, we had to wait our turn
for a dumb terminal to run a TSO (timesharing option) session. There
was very little interactive computing; most data processing was batch jobs.

gummer is lying, as usual - just the usual bullshit gigantism.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:38:16 -0800, Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.n�t> wrote:

>On 1/7/2013 9:11 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
>> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
>> Asch.
>>
>> Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
>> thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
>> 1971, and was followed up by periodic small amounts of time, on the
>> MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
>> net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva"
>> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6
>
>gummer dwieber was not on any kind of "net" in 1971. gummer graduated
>high school in 1971. He claims he immediately went into the army, and
>grunts did not have computer access in 1971 - for anything.

With his 165 IQ one would expect him to be smart enough to prevent his
fables from contradicting one another. :)

[Jim Wilkins]

"Delvin Benet" <DB@nbc.n�t> wrote in message
news:cJidnSo2tMzLiHbN...@giganews.com...

>
> gummer dwieber was not on any kind of "net" in 1971. gummer
> graduated high school in 1971. He claims he immediately went into
> the army, and grunts did not have computer access in 1971 - for
> anything. There were no PCs then, and access to a host computer
> required a dumb terminal, and there weren't many of them.

I certainly did have access to a computer network back then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Digital_Network

During exercises we had to maintain some level of simulated traffic so
we chatted just like here, except that we had better wireless
connectivity in remote areas (ie frozen mountaintops) over
troposcatter links.

[jon_banquer]

Far more interesting to me are the idiots that latch on to Wieber and
worship him even when it's beyond obvious that Wieber is a massive
liar. It's very cult like.

[pyotr filipivich]

Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.n�t> on Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:38:16 -0800 typed in
misc.survivalism the following:

Gee, here I thought I was going to get some secret information,
and not more opinions speculating as fact.

I wonder if you have any idea of what came before Google, and AOL?
--
pyotr filipivich
Question for the gun Control advocates, "Do you agree with
this statement?"
"I would rather have a society without guns, even if it
means that people cannot defend themselves against murder
(with other weapons), rape, robbery, and assault. I would
rather make everyone defenseless than have to endure the
mass shootings that occasionally occur. If that means that
many more people, (particularly the old, the weak, and the
infirm) are subjected to these violent crimes, then so be
it. They'll just have to suffer more. I do claim the power
to dictate whether or not others are able to defend themselves."

[Martin Eastburn]

Depends on who you are and were you worked.

I was on the net in 81 - might been late 80. You see, the company
I worked for was building a World Wide Net - to each of the various
sites it had facilities. It was so large, it used the West Coast
Satellite link and West coast sub ocean cable. The link through
Africa was come and go until we found a site for a small link computer
as the local (and only) bank in the country turned on their computer
several times a month. Not good for data dumps and email.

A few years later, FedNet merged with 'us' and then MilNet but before
either of them was BankNet. Those are acronyms for the formal names.

FedNet came on board since we were in 100 countries (and the internet
was just being experimental at the time). We had hooked up an embassy
through our net when it was brought to the attention we were so large.

We did it the right way. Each facility used their own funds to extend
the net to and from themselves. Some did more but most were able and
it was put to work rapidly.

It started out as dialup and such - My company (one I worked for) paid
for software development on tools - remember FTP ? we funded that.
Other tools - I have an old DOS folder somewhere on my other computer.

My personal computer has been connected to BBS modems and had comm
with other friends. I built it in 75 and was a TTY weather station site
for a short time. But it was restricted to only the weather guys. I
was moving so it was a graceful exit. Just a short on the line to
bypass a 60ma link.

Martin

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jan 7, 11:11 am, whoyakidding's ghost <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
> Asch.
>
> Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
> thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
> 1971, and was followed up by periodic  small amounts of time, on the
> MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
> net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva"http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6
>
> His habit is to write tall tales to top anyone he's debating. If his
> opponent dares dispute any of the tales then Wieber follows up with
> ever more elaboration and exaggeration. He frequently promises to put
> his critics on "the list" so that they will be "hung from lamp posts"
> during "the great cull" which is perennially just over the horizon.
> This tactic is usually accompanied by multiple detailed descriptions
> of gory deaths.
>

> Typical thread examplehttp://tinyurl.com/amh8gjn
> -------------------------------
>
> Photos of Wieber
>
> He sometimes posts a photo of himself in one of his clown costumes.http://tinyurl.com/a7oha4bPresumably he imagines it will scare

> readers into believing he might shoot them from miles away.
>
> The reality is that he's a Usenet Walter Mitty whose main talent is
> slowly culling himself by way of copious infusions of nicotine and
> Mountain Dew. He'd have died years ago if not for multiple rescues by

> the social welfare system he despises.http://tinyurl.com/ab7fb4p
> --------------------------------
>
> Plugged arteries, heavy smoking, Mountain Dew and one handed pullups.http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/1f36c4ad63bee0ac

> ---------------------------------
>
> Wieber likes to pretend that he lives on ranch acreage, prepared to
> survive the apocalypses he constantly warns everyone to fear. He has
> variously described the grounds as
>

> "3/4 of an acre"http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c3...

>
> "Several acres"http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/3d5d25863209cdc3
>
> In reality it's a city lot with a shabby mobile home and tons of

> clutter.http://goo.gl/maps/TEXoUGoogle street viewhttp://tinyurl.com/yjxbmjq County property record, typically showing

> his struggle to make $100 payments.
>

> The Wieber Inc. company conference table.http://tinyurl.com/6v9u9hr
> The corporate pool in the shop basement.http://tinyurl.com/7y3hn68

> --------------------------
>
> Wieber claims to be very skilled at many trades. He also insists he's
> a hard worker despite the obvious contradiction with all the posting.
>

> Yet the evidence is 30 years of liens and judgments.http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkp     http://tinyurl.com/l68gh3

> -------------------------------
>
> Sexual Prowess
>
> One of Wieber's many descriptions of sexual conquest and expertise,

> this time dating a black Victoria's Secret model.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/76b0aba944fe26da
>
> His charming description of one of his secret techniques.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/92cccf38b2...
>
> Listen up ladies: if you find teeth a turn-off then Weiber's your man.http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/488c6a00c55ffdcf

> ---------------------------------
>
> Wieber's chronicle of the years 1976-2000. Unrequited love, wife and
> kid from hell, trash and bills sneaking up for years, etc. In his own
> words "disgusting."http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/94ecb1feee7c3603
> -------------------------------
>
> Wieber's detailed description of his Friends List, a personal army of
> "computer wienies," ready to track down his online enemies so that his

> other friends can execute the offenders, yada yada.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/51ccf1d671...

>
> One of the above mentioned friends, and Wieber's most loyal sycophant

> and defender for many years, the fearsome Tom Gardner.http://www.neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG

> ------------------------------------
>
> One version of his story of serving in Vietnam despite the fact that

> he was too young to have enlisted.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/503604f47159259d

>
> One of his explanations for why he can't produce his service

> documentation.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/a41c6783dbf70507

> ---------------------------------------
>
> Name an occupation and Wieber will claim to have substantial
> experience. The trouble is that after so many hundreds of thousands of
> posts he can't possibly keep track of who he's one-upped, including
> himself.
>
> The amazing Deputy Pinocchio story.
>

> "I dabbled as a reserve Deputy for  a couple years"http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/50864f4b5f...

>
> "a reserve Deputy at night (two years)"http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/daf6b3de8807600c
>

> "Worked for 5 yrs as a reserve Sheriff's Deputy"http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c3...
>
> "I was a Deputy for several years in the 70s"http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0f875239e8...

>
> "8 yrs on the street as a cop"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/898e16741f642645
> -----------------------------------
>
> The stupendous Wieber tops world records!
>
> 264 mph motorcyclehttp://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/504734f74873c17f
>

> 42 knot Hobie Cathttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0042848ac1...
>
> 2 foot centipedehttp://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/e32c62114ea73910
>
> Drives 10 million mileshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/ce00195d4a...
>
> Only 1 million on "scooters" though.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7dc2a66a8a53c2d6

> -------------------------------------
>
> Self professed animal lover.
>

> Except for beating one dog.http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/551e94166afc0da2
>
> And hanging another from a choker chain. A redneck classic.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/5e8ae7330e...

> --------------------
>
> Wieber's funniest lies.
>
> "I never lie"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/0264cc658d2e57fb
>

> "I never lie"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/9ef5f53078...

> ---------------------
>
> And in case you couldn't guess, here are a couple of his IQ stories.
>
> "mid 150s"http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/60beacdc8a0bd420
>
> "165"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/b8b3afb9ad1fd63f
> -----------------------
>

> Finally, for music lovers, the Wieber theme songhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waQOS3hKIa8

APPLAUSE...APPLAUSE...APPLAUSE!!!!!

A WORK OF ART!!!

The world is in debt to you Sir.

With your permission, I would like to use this material in future
posts.

And again...thank you for the effort it took to complie this.

TMT

[Dave Cua]

On 1/7/2013 7:59 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On Jan 7, 11:11 am, whoyakidding's ghost <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

>> [...]
>
> APPLAUSE...APPLAUSE...APPLAUSE!!!!!

gummer dwieber is an asshole, but you're a cocksucker.

[Gunner]

Im rather curious where he/she/it came up with the "first net account
was in 1971" buffoonery?

My first introduction to computers with access to others..was via BBS
in the early 1980s
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/OldPhotos#5555302446979017922

Notice the software for "SuperTerm" next to the monitor? That photo
was from 1983 when I was dabbling with Commodore puters.

Seems Devilon is quite a liar. But then..we did know that. And of
course its obvious that he is mentally ill as well..but its pretty
much average for Leftwingers

Perhaps he saw that written in the sky during one of his "moments of
truth" as the neurons were misfiring?

Shrug

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jan 8, 4:16 am, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:22:08 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>
>
>
>
>
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> >Delvin Benet <D...@nbc.nýt> on Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:38:16 -0800 typed in

> in the early 1980shttps://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/OldPhotos#55553024...

>
> Notice the software for "SuperTerm" next to the monitor?  That photo
> was from 1983 when I was dabbling with Commodore puters.
>
> Seems Devilon is quite a liar. But then..we did know that. And of
> course its obvious that he is mentally ill as well..but its pretty
> much average for Leftwingers
>
> Perhaps he saw that written in the sky during one of his "moments of
> truth" as the neurons were misfiring?
>
> Shrug
>
> Gunner
>
> The methodology of the left has always been:
>
> 1. Lie
> 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
> 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
> 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
> 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw

> 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Notice how Gummer can't dispute the truthfulness of the rest of the
posting.

Usenet never forgets.

LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH....

TMT

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 02:16:00 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

From your own words in your own post as cited in the reference above,
you gloriously stupid fucking clown.

>My first introduction to computers with access to others..was via BBS
>in the early 1980s

Perhaps if you tell a third story right away then two of them might
match.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 02:29:07 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jan 8, 4:16�am, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >Delvin Benet <D...@nbc.n�t> on Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:38:16 -0800 typed in

>> >misc.survivalism �the following:
>> >>On 1/7/2013 9:11 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>> >>> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
>> >>> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
>> >>> Asch.
>>
>> >>> Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
>> >>> thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
>> >>> 1971, and was followed up by periodic �small amounts of time, on the
>> >>> MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
>> >>> net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva"
>> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6
>>
>> >>gummer dwieber was not on any kind of "net" in 1971. �gummer graduated
>> >>high school in 1971. �He claims he immediately went into the army, and
>> >>grunts did not have computer access in 1971 - for anything. �There were
>> >>no PCs then, and access to a host computer required a dumb terminal, and
>> >>there weren't many of them. �When I first got into commercial computer
>> >>programming in 1976, at a big insurance company, we had to wait our turn
>> >>for a dumb terminal to run a TSO (timesharing option) session. �There
>> >>was very little interactive computing; most data processing was batch jobs.
>>
>> >>gummer is lying, as usual - just the usual bullshit gigantism.

>> Im rather curious where he/she/it came up with the "first net account
>> was in 1971" buffoonery?
>>
>> My first introduction to computers with access to others..was via BBS
>> in the early 1980s

>Notice how Gummer can't dispute the truthfulness of the rest of the
>posting.
>
>Usenet never forgets.

It's impossible for him to dispute the '71 thing. And he's too fucking
stupid to read the cite of his previous story, which he couldn't
possibly remember making up. So as usual, he made up a new one that
contradicts the first. Call it the Achilles heel of his compulsive
lying. Of course in that analogy he has more feet than a centipede.

[Delvin Benet]

From your post, you Alzheimer-demented fuckwit:

My first "net account" was in 1971, and was followed up by
periodic small amounts of time, on the MARS Net.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6

See, you always forget your lies.


That post is hilarious, because in it you also wrote:

Thats Gunner, not Old Gunner, Gunny etc etc.
And Im sure that your aware its a name with two meanings
1. A diminuative of my name sake, Gunner Asch (and if you have to
ask who that was.....) who is my alter ego


Your "'name sake' [sic], your alter ego" - HA HA HA HA HA! You fucking
*clown*. You fucking proto-Nazi clown.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:59:54 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jan 7, 11:11�am, whoyakidding's ghost <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
>> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
>> Asch.

>APPLAUSE...APPLAUSE...APPLAUSE!!!!!
>
>A WORK OF ART!!!
>
>The world is in debt to you Sir.
>
>With your permission, I would like to use this material in future
>posts.
>
>And again...thank you for the effort it took to complie this.
>
>TMT

Here is the link to the post.
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/1ab3b4e079047311
Feel free to post it whenever someone needs educating about Mark
Wieber, the most prolific liar on Usenet.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:59:05 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
<murat...@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Delvin Benet" <DB@nbc.n�t> wrote in message
>news:cJidnSo2tMzLiHbN...@giganews.com...
>>
>> gummer dwieber was not on any kind of "net" in 1971. gummer
>> graduated high school in 1971. He claims he immediately went into
>> the army, and grunts did not have computer access in 1971 - for
>> anything. There were no PCs then, and access to a host computer
>> required a dumb terminal, and there weren't many of them.
>
>I certainly did have access to a computer network back then

In case you didn't notice, Gunner's new story is that "My first

introduction to computers with access to others..was via BBS

in the early 1980s."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/d9324e584d349fa5
Could the idiot make his lying any more obvious? I predict that yes,
he can and will.

[jon_banquer]

On Jan 8, 7:29 am, whoyakidding's ghost <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:59:05 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
>

> <muratla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >"Delvin Benet" <D...@nbc.n t> wrote in message

> >news:cJidnSo2tMzLiHbN...@giganews.com...
>
> >> gummer dwieber was not on any kind of "net" in 1971.  gummer
> >> graduated high school in 1971.  He claims he immediately went into
> >> the army, and grunts did not have computer access in 1971 - for
> >> anything.  There were no PCs then, and access to a host computer
> >> required a dumb terminal, and there weren't many of them.
>
> >I certainly did have access to a computer network back then
>
> In case you didn't notice, Gunner's new story is that "My first
> introduction to computers with access to others..was via BBS
> in the early 1980s."http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/d9324e584d349fa5
> Could the idiot make his lying any more obvious? I predict that yes,
> he can and will.

Facts don't matter to his cult followers. I'm waiting for a post that
explains that sad "phenomenon".

[Delvin Benet]

On 1/7/2013 9:11 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:

The lot is under 7000 square feet - about .16 of an acre. In the past,
to try to get around this lie, he has claimed to have "annexed" a vacant
lot next door. There is no vacant lot next door - both properties on
either side of him are already developed. Even if he had done, those
lots are the same size, so he would have had at most about 1/3 of an
acre, not 3/4.

gummer also has repeated claimed that his hovel is in the "high desert."
That's a lie. His shack is at 1025 feet elevation. The first map is
the Google Maps traffic view. You can see that 326 Olive Av is the
second property on the east side, just north of Wood St. The second map
is the topo for that area. The dark 1000' contour passes through the
lower case 't' in 'Taft', two blocks east of Olive Av. The next higher
contour line is 1025', passing directly through gummer's squat between
'South' and 'Taft'.
http://tinyurl.com/a3r8jqm
http://www.topoquest.com/map.php?lat=35.13467&lon=-119.45536&datum=nad27&zoom=4&map=auto&coord=d&mode=pan&size=m

But gummer has previously lied and said his dump is at 1953' elevation.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/msg/14e2935c3c8d59cf?hl=en

Don't you just love the fake precision? Not "about 1950'", as virtually
anyone else would say - no, he had to make his lie extravagant and get
it down the the exact foot. But it's still a lie - his shithole is at
1025', or "about 1000'" lower than he claims.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:44:08 -0800, Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.n�t> wrote:

>On 1/7/2013 9:11 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:

>> Wieber likes to pretend that he lives on ranch acreage, prepared to
>> survive the apocalypses he constantly warns everyone to fear. He has
>> variously described the grounds as
>>
>> "3/4 of an acre"
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c38ec69b
>>
>> "Several acres"
>> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/3d5d25863209cdc3
>>
>> In reality it's a city lot with a shabby mobile home and tons of
>> clutter.
>> http://goo.gl/maps/TEXoU Google street view
>> http://tinyurl.com/yjxbmjq County property record, typically showing
>> his struggle to make $100 payments.
>>
>> The Wieber Inc. company conference table. http://tinyurl.com/6v9u9hr
>> The corporate pool in the shop basement. http://tinyurl.com/7y3hn68
>
>The lot is under 7000 square feet - about .16 of an acre.

Yes, and it's not quite the defensible stronghold he pretends when
he's boasting. In fact, in the event of any of the apocalypses in
Gunner's imagination, one homeless person armed with a book of
matches could take out Gunner's "AO", as he hilariously calls it.

>gummer also has repeated claimed that his hovel is in the "high desert."
> That's a lie. His shack is at 1025 feet elevation. The first map is
>the Google Maps traffic view. You can see that 326 Olive Av is the
>second property on the east side, just north of Wood St. The second map
>is the topo for that area. The dark 1000' contour passes through the
>lower case 't' in 'Taft', two blocks east of Olive Av. The next higher
>contour line is 1025', passing directly through gummer's squat between
>'South' and 'Taft'.
>http://tinyurl.com/a3r8jqm
>http://www.topoquest.com/map.php?lat=35.13467&lon=-119.45536&datum=nad27&zoom=4&map=auto&coord=d&mode=pan&size=m
>
>But gummer has previously lied and said his dump is at 1953' elevation.
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/msg/14e2935c3c8d59cf?hl=en
>
>Don't you just love the fake precision? Not "about 1950'", as virtually
>anyone else would say - no, he had to make his lie extravagant and get
>it down the the exact foot. But it's still a lie - his shithole is at
>1025', or "about 1000'" lower than he claims.

Only a 2X lie? He should have been able to do better considering that
he "only" posted an average of 55 times per day that month.
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=Orot9hQAAAAVu-i7YM79BqNIPO5iBPiLOPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A

Anyway here's what I do for determining land altitudes. Download and
install Google Earth if you don't have it already. Put your cursor
over any location and read the altitude at the bottom of the screen.
Using that method, the south end of the street in front of Gunner's
shithole is 1032'. The north end is 1020'. He got his 1953' number out
of his ass just all his others.

In Google Earth you can also center click and drag to rotate and tilt
the perspective. Makes it easy to pick out the highest and lowest
homes in Taft for example, which are about 1500' and 800'. Proving
once again that Gunner is not only the most prolific liar on Usenet,
he's the most incompetent as well. But not the most stupid. That honor
belongs to those who take anything he says at face value.

[jon_banquer]

On Jan 8, 12:09 pm, whoyakidding's ghost <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:44:08 -0800, Delvin Benet <D...@nbc.nýt> wrote:
> >On 1/7/2013 9:11 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
> >> Wieber likes to pretend that he lives on ranch acreage, prepared to
> >> survive the apocalypses he constantly warns everyone to fear. He has
> >> variously described the grounds as
>
> >> "3/4 of an acre"

> >>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c3...

>
> >> "Several acres"
> >>http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/3d5d25863209cdc3
>
> >> In reality it's a city lot with a shabby mobile home and tons of
> >> clutter.

> >>http://goo.gl/maps/TEXoUGoogle street view

> >>http://tinyurl.com/yjxbmjq County property record, typically showing
> >> his struggle to make $100 payments.
>

> >> The Wieber Inc. company conference table.http://tinyurl.com/6v9u9hr
> >> The corporate pool in the shop basement.http://tinyurl.com/7y3hn68

>
> >The lot is under 7000 square feet - about .16 of an acre.
>
> Yes, and it's not quite the defensible stronghold he pretends when
> he's boasting. In fact, in the event of any of the apocalypses in
> Gunner's imagination, one  homeless person armed with a book of
> matches could take out Gunner's "AO", as he hilariously calls it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >gummer also has repeated claimed that his hovel is in the "high desert."
> >  That's a lie.  His shack is at 1025 feet elevation.  The first map is
> >the Google Maps traffic view.  You can see that 326 Olive Av is the
> >second property on the east side, just north of Wood St.  The second map
> >is the topo for that area.  The dark 1000' contour passes through the
> >lower case 't' in 'Taft', two blocks east of Olive Av.  The next higher
> >contour line is 1025', passing directly through gummer's squat between
> >'South' and 'Taft'.
> >http://tinyurl.com/a3r8jqm

> >http://www.topoquest.com/map.php?lat=35.13467&lon=-119.45536&datum=na...

>
> >But gummer has previously lied and said his dump is at 1953' elevation.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/msg/14e2935c3c8d59cf?hl=en
>
> >Don't you just love the fake precision?  Not "about 1950'", as virtually
> >anyone else would say - no, he had to make his lie extravagant and get
> >it down the the exact foot.  But it's still a lie - his shithole is at
> >1025', or "about 1000'" lower than he claims.
>
> Only a 2X lie? He should have been able to do better considering that

> he "only" posted an average of 55 times per day that month.http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=Orot9hQAAAAVu-...

>
> Anyway here's what I do for determining land altitudes. Download and
> install Google Earth if you don't have it already. Put your cursor
> over any location and read the altitude at the bottom of the screen.
> Using that method, the south end of the street in front of Gunner's
> shithole is 1032'. The north end is 1020'. He got his 1953' number out
> of his ass just all his others.
>
> In Google Earth you can also center click and drag to rotate and tilt
> the perspective. Makes it easy to pick out the highest and lowest
> homes in Taft for example, which are about 1500' and 800'. Proving
> once again that Gunner is not only the most prolific liar on Usenet,
> he's the most incompetent as well. But not the most stupid. That honor
> belongs to those who take anything he says at face value.

"But not the most stupid. That honor belongs to those who take
anything he says at face value."

That honor also belongs to anyone who thinks that Mark Wieber can
machine his way out of a paper bag or knows anything about CADCAM.
Wieber's shit hole shop and inspection equipment area / storage shows
he has no respect or concept for what precision machining is all
about. So do Wieber's comments over many years on Usenet. He's got a
very nice jig bore that needs some work. Note how he's done nothing
with said machine for years. That jig bore has no place in his shit
hole shop and for sure he doesn't need it for any of the wide open
tolerance machine work he might occasionally do.

[Steve W.]

You don't have ANY military background at all do you???

NONE of the items he listed were COMPUTER networks.
They are ALL radio networks.

MARS - Military Auxiliary Radio System
Arty - Inter-operation radio for air/ground use (also used for artillery
strikes when close to "non-operational areas")
Arclight - Similar to the above but for ground pounders and over the
border folks.
FO - Forward Operations ( Spotters, Controllers and more)

The call sign should have been a clue....

Maybe learn some REAL HISTORY....


--
Steve W.

[Gunner]

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:59:18 -0500, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:

LOL...I just looked at the link for the first time. LOL I thought he
was much (somewhat) smarter than that so Id not looked until it
created such a stir.



Date....11/29/99

"A handle is simply that. A means to make ones designation be more
rememberable. Perhaps ego, but definately a link to the owners
outlook/attitude/sense of humor.

You and I are of approximatly the same age. My degree is from the
School of Hard Knocks, with some followup learning. My first "net

account" was in 1971, and was followed up by periodic small amounts
of time, on the MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or

Arclight Net, or FO net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva. So
whoopee. My few years on the Internet do not make me an "old timer"nor
have I ever claimed to be one. I dont feel old (well some cold
mornings....) I dont look old, nor do I act old...(more juvinile than
anything) So keep me out of your pissing and moaning."

And Ill most certainly stand behind my above statements! 110%

"Arclight" was B-52 bombers. Occasionally one needed to advise a
flight of weather above target, actual target if it hadnt been
preplanned and so forth. They didnt always have a specific preplanned
target set days in advance. IF they were available and ones ass was
in a crack..it was not unknown for them to be asked to come in and
keep the indians off the pioneers ass. Somewhat akin to calling in a
Thud..but with a much..much bigger bang for the buck. And doing BDAs
was also interesting as well. (Bomb Damage Assements)..where you
actually walked around the face of the moon and tried to determine how
many enemy were killed. This was often done by counting feet..or feet
IN boots, determining if possible they matched and dividing by (2) or
multipying by 1


Internet? The poor bastard "whoyakidding" really is ....a fucking
moron isnt he?

Got to love the Leftwingers...mentally ill, and dumber than a sack of
dead rats.

[Delvin Benet]

On 1/8/2013 4:29 PM, Gunner wrote:

> And Ill most certainly stand behind my above statements! 110%
>
> "Arclight" was B-52 bombers. Occasionally one needed to advise a
> flight of weather above target, actual target if it hadnt been
> preplanned and so forth.

Arclight ended before you even graduated from high school, you fucking liar.

[jon_banquer]

On Jan 8, 3:59 pm, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
> whoyakidding's ghost wrote:

> > On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 02:16:00 -0800, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com>

> > wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:22:08 -0800, pyotr filipivich
> >> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>

> >>> Delvin Benet <D...@nbc.nýt> on Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:38:16 -0800 typed in

I believe I use to be involved with MARS when I had an amateur radio
license. That was a long, long time ago but I seem to remember
handling messages for the MARS network. I I remember right messages
were called "traffic". I was just a teenager and that was a long time
ago so be gentle with me.

I remember getting my novice license and then my general license.
Never made it to advanced or amateur extra. Lost interest because it
was really fucking boring. Mostly old men talking about complete
bullshit. You couldn't swear either without the FCC breaking your
fucking balls. Started with a Heathkit HW 101 (drifted like crazy).
Then got a Kenwood TS-520 (better but the receiver part of the
transceiver wasn't great with weak signals and handling noise). Then I
purchased a used Signal/One. Very nice. I didn't have the money or the
space living in the inner city but I would have loved to have an
Alpha / ETO amp and a huge antenna farm. I do remember that I liked to
work DX and I liked to exchange QSL cards. I liked contesting the best
but I wasn't loud enough. I still remember my old call sign: WA1ZVS.
How am I doing on the honesty scale compared to Gumballs who
frequently lies his ass off?

[Steve W.]

Arc Light operations were conducted right up until the end of US
hostilities on August 15 1973.

--
Steve W.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:59:18 -0500, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:

Wait, are you saying that Gunner was in the military? When did that
happen? Oh my god I can't believe I didn't notice it!

Do you think he's aware of the free health care and other assistance
that his DD214 would entitle him to? Somebody should tell him to
follow up. Oh hell, no sense making such a busy hard working guy go to
all that trouble. If he can email some jargon to the VA, they should
take his word for it, right? I mean, where the fuck else could he get
all that top secret lingo? That's the trouble with bureaucrats, they
don't have the common sense of brilliant thinkers such as yourself.

[Steve W.]

whoyakidding's ghost wrote:

>>
>> You don't have ANY military background at all do you???
>>
>> NONE of the items he listed were COMPUTER networks. They are ALL
>> radio networks.
>>
>> MARS - Military Auxiliary Radio System Arty - Inter-operation
>> radio for air/ground use (also used for artillery strikes when
>> close to "non-operational areas") Arclight - Similar to the above
>> but for ground pounders and over the border folks. FO - Forward
>> Operations ( Spotters, Controllers and more)
>>
>> The call sign should have been a clue....
>>
>> Maybe learn some REAL HISTORY....
>
> Wait, are you saying that Gunner was in the military? When did that
> happen? Oh my god I can't believe I didn't notice it!
>
> Do you think he's aware of the free health care and other assistance
> that his DD214 would entitle him to? Somebody should tell him to
> follow up. Oh hell, no sense making such a busy hard working guy go
> to all that trouble. If he can email some jargon to the VA, they
> should take his word for it, right? I mean, where the fuck else could
> he get all that top secret lingo? That's the trouble with
> bureaucrats, they don't have the common sense of brilliant thinkers
> such as yourself.

What I am saying is that YOU were complaining that Mark couldn't have
been on a COMPUTER NETWORK. Then you referenced a post by him as proof
that he was lying.

"Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
1971, and was followed up by periodic small amounts of time, on the
MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
net. and my handle (callsign) was
"Shiva"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6

was not on any kind of "net" in 1971. gummer graduated high school
in 1971. He claims he immediately went into the army, and grunts did
not have computer access in 1971 - for anything. There were no PCs
then, and access to a host computer required a dumb terminal, and there
weren't many of them. When I first got into commercial computer
programming in 1976, at a big insurance company, we had to wait our turn
for a dumb terminal to run a TSO (timesharing option) session. There was
very little interactive computing; most data processing was batch jobs.
gummer is lying, as usual - just the usual bullshit gigantism."

I am simply pointing out that NOWHERE in his post did he state it was a
computer network and if you had ANY idea about the military you would
have known that his references were to the various RADIO NETWORKS used
in country.

OH and FYI I know a LOT of folks who served and have NEVER filed
anything with the VA. Usually you get much better care OUTSIDE the VA
anyway. Just the way that the VA treats the people who have served would
make a normal person puke.

My FIL for instance served during WWII. He does NOT have a copy of his
214. He threw it away right after he got out because of the way the Army
and Red Cross treated him. When he discovered that he could at least get
some money for his burial (NO WHERE NEAR ENOUGH) he tried to get a copy.
His records like many others were destroyed in the 1973 service records
fire. He has pictures of himself in uniform with his squad and during
training. Pictures of himself on base and many others. He filed for a
reconstruction of records and was told "Sorry you never served"

His brother also served. He doesn't exist either according to the Army.
Why? Because he used a different name when joining as he was underage
when he enlisted. The military doesn't really check on names much when
you join during an active war, as long as you're not avoiding
prosecution you can use any name you like. BUT when you get the release
records cut that can be a problem.


--
Steve W.

[ex-PFC Wintergreen]

gummer - lying fat fuck mark dwieber - *presented* that comment in such
a way as to try to suggest that it was linked computer networks.

[Gunner]

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:19:55 -0500, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:

Delvin Bedope really is an ignorant MF isnt he?

Pity. But then..he is a Leftwinger. Mentally ill and stupid as a bag
of dead rats.

Shrug

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:56:51 -0500, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:

>whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>
>>>
>>> You don't have ANY military background at all do you???
>>>
>>> NONE of the items he listed were COMPUTER networks. They are ALL
>>> radio networks.
>>>
>>> MARS - Military Auxiliary Radio System Arty - Inter-operation
>>> radio for air/ground use (also used for artillery strikes when
>>> close to "non-operational areas") Arclight - Similar to the above
>>> but for ground pounders and over the border folks. FO - Forward
>>> Operations ( Spotters, Controllers and more)
>>>
>>> The call sign should have been a clue....
>>>
>>> Maybe learn some REAL HISTORY....
>>
>> Wait, are you saying that Gunner was in the military? When did that
>> happen? Oh my god I can't believe I didn't notice it!
>>
>> Do you think he's aware of the free health care and other assistance
>> that his DD214 would entitle him to? Somebody should tell him to
>> follow up. Oh hell, no sense making such a busy hard working guy go
>> to all that trouble. If he can email some jargon to the VA, they
>> should take his word for it, right? I mean, where the fuck else could
>> he get all that top secret lingo? That's the trouble with
>> bureaucrats, they don't have the common sense of brilliant thinkers
>> such as yourself.
>
>
>What I am saying is that YOU were complaining that Mark couldn't have
>been on a COMPUTER NETWORK. Then you referenced a post by him as proof
>that he was lying.

I originally included the quote only as an example of his one
upmanship. Check out the thread here.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/browse_frm/thread/1a4d77132ba2caee/5995a55433568fc6#5995a55433568fc6
Tim May states "first ARPANet account in 1973." Gunner comes back with
1971... when he was 17. Of course he also claims that when he was 8 or
some such, he marched with MLK.

>I am simply pointing out that NOWHERE in his post did he state it was a
>computer network

Trying to find a skinny thread from which to weave a rationalization
is not the point. There is NO evidence whatsoever that any of Gunner's
military tales are true, even if you believe that Gunner's brand of
data mining constitutes evidence. There is every reason to believe
that Gunner simply looked up some lingo and used it to bolster his
habitual one-up story. When he had a chance at a second bite of the
apple, he flubbed it despite reading his own words on the screen,
which he referred to as "buffoonery." That's because what he was
reading wasn't his own knowledge, but some crap he dredged up way back
and long since forgot.

>OH and FYI I know a LOT of folks who served and have NEVER filed
>anything with the VA.

Let's cut to the chase. Do any of the people you claim to know who
don't want VA help, need to make up endless excuses for not producing
ANY evidence of their service? Do THEY tell wildly contradictory
fables such as Wieber turning his original story of dabbling as a
reserve deputy for two years, into "8 yrs on the street as a cop?" Do
you generally accept anything at face value from people who regularly
get caught making up fairytales such as a 264 mph motorcycle ride? Do
you think there will ever come a day when Gunner admits that most of
his stories are wild exaggerations, and asks readers for forgiveness
and to believe that a select few are really true? Or do you KNOW as I
do that he will stick to his strategy of claiming "I never lie" even
though his own story is that he lied his way into the military? Face
it. The very best that Gunner cult members can say is that they HOPE
that at least some of his stories are true. Regardless, you already
KNOW that at least some of his stories are total horseshit, and yet
you make excuses for him. THAT is evidence that you don't give a rat's
ass about his credibility, which in turn calls your own into question.

> The military doesn't really check on names much when
>you join during an active war, as long as you're not avoiding
>prosecution you can use any name you like. BUT when you get the release
>records cut that can be a problem.

Gunner says he's ALREADY had VA service. If that were true then his VA
records are ALREADY in order and the only thing preventing him from
producing them to defend his honor is that they exist in the same way
as his records of his "3 clusters on my Purple Heart. And 2 tours in
SEA. And another one in Rhodesia. And 8 yrs on the street as a cop,"
his records of his engineering training and certifications, his health
insurance polices that lapsed right before he accepted free care...
multiple times, etc.

In case you don't know, multiple vets have stopped believing Gunner's
fables over the years. If you want to be the last chump standing then
be my guest.

[Delvin Benet]

Bullshit.

[jon_banquer]

On Jan 9, 7:35 am, whoyakidding's ghost <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> upmanship. Check out the thread here.http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/browse_frm/thread/1a4...

Tons of idiots believe Mark Wieber's lies.

In fact, the more he lies, the more they ignore his lies and worship
him.

[Delvin Benet]

Well stated.

[Jeff M]

Reconstruction of lost service records, as from the St. Louis fire, is
usually successfully accomplished through other, non-depository military
records, such as last pay vouchers. Sometimes, specific dates,
assignments and awards cannot be verified, but the fact of service and
honorable discharge can often be established. As for enlisting while
underage, or using a fictional or borrowed identity, that is or was
fairly common, and the correction is quite straightforward and easily
accomplished.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:18:38 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

>the correction is quite straightforward and easily
>accomplished.

Multiple posters have given him advice on how to do it, and some have
offered to help. You may have been one. As I recall he said something
like he'd "think about it." Yeah right, same as he said he'd "try" to
quit smoking. The guy has a real knack for telegraphing when he has no
intention of doing something.

[Strabo]

On 1/7/2013 12:11 PM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
> Asch.
>

When all else fails attack your opponent's character.

Your problem is that your nemesis has you outgunned and outclassed.

>
> Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
> thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
> 1971, and was followed up by periodic small amounts of time, on the
> MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
> net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva"
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6
>

> His habit is to write tall tales to top anyone he's debating. If his
> opponent dares dispute any of the tales then Wieber follows up with
> ever more elaboration and exaggeration. He frequently promises to put
> his critics on "the list" so that they will be "hung from lamp posts"
> during "the great cull" which is perennially just over the horizon.
> This tactic is usually accompanied by multiple detailed descriptions
> of gory deaths.
>
> Typical thread example http://tinyurl.com/amh8gjn
> -------------------------------
>
> Photos of Wieber
>
> He sometimes posts a photo of himself in one of his clown costumes.
> http://tinyurl.com/a7oha4b Presumably he imagines it will scare
> readers into believing he might shoot them from miles away.
>
> The reality is that he's a Usenet Walter Mitty whose main talent is
> slowly culling himself by way of copious infusions of nicotine and
> Mountain Dew. He'd have died years ago if not for multiple rescues by
> the social welfare system he despises. http://tinyurl.com/ab7fb4p
> --------------------------------
>
> Plugged arteries, heavy smoking, Mountain Dew and one handed pullups.
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/1f36c4ad63bee0ac
> ---------------------------------
>

> Wieber likes to pretend that he lives on ranch acreage, prepared to
> survive the apocalypses he constantly warns everyone to fear. He has
> variously described the grounds as
>
> "3/4 of an acre"

> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c38ec69b

>
> "Several acres"
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/3d5d25863209cdc3
>
> In reality it's a city lot with a shabby mobile home and tons of
> clutter.

> http://goo.gl/maps/TEXoU Google street view

> http://tinyurl.com/yjxbmjq County property record, typically showing
> his struggle to make $100 payments.
>

> The Wieber Inc. company conference table. http://tinyurl.com/6v9u9hr

> The corporate pool in the shop basement. http://tinyurl.com/7y3hn68

> --------------------------
>
> Wieber claims to be very skilled at many trades. He also insists he's
> a hard worker despite the obvious contradiction with all the posting.
>
> Yet the evidence is 30 years of liens and judgments.
> http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkp http://tinyurl.com/l68gh3
> -------------------------------
>
> Sexual Prowess
>
> One of Wieber's many descriptions of sexual conquest and expertise,
> this time dating a black Victoria's Secret model.
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/76b0aba944fe26da
>
> His charming description of one of his secret techniques.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/92cccf38b22d36fb
>
> Listen up ladies: if you find teeth a turn-off then Weiber's your man.
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/488c6a00c55ffdcf
> ---------------------------------
>
> Wieber's chronicle of the years 1976-2000. Unrequited love, wife and
> kid from hell, trash and bills sneaking up for years, etc. In his own
> words "disgusting."
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/94ecb1feee7c3603
> -------------------------------
>
> Wieber's detailed description of his Friends List, a personal army of
> "computer wienies," ready to track down his online enemies so that his
> other friends can execute the offenders, yada yada.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/51ccf1d67151a862
>
> One of the above mentioned friends, and Wieber's most loyal sycophant
> and defender for many years, the fearsome Tom Gardner.
> http://www.neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG
> ------------------------------------
>
> One version of his story of serving in Vietnam despite the fact that
> he was too young to have enlisted.
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/503604f47159259d
>
> One of his explanations for why he can't produce his service
> documentation.
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/a41c6783dbf70507
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Name an occupation and Wieber will claim to have substantial
> experience. The trouble is that after so many hundreds of thousands of
> posts he can't possibly keep track of who he's one-upped, including
> himself.
>
> The amazing Deputy Pinocchio story.
>
> "I dabbled as a reserve Deputy for a couple years"
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/50864f4b5ffce244
>
> "a reserve Deputy at night (two years)"
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/daf6b3de8807600c
>
> "Worked for 5 yrs as a reserve Sheriff's Deputy"
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c38ec69b
>
> "I was a Deputy for several years in the 70s"
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0f875239e83efa41

>
> "8 yrs on the street as a cop"

> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/898e16741f642645
> -----------------------------------
>
> The stupendous Wieber tops world records!
>
> 264 mph motorcycle
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/504734f74873c17f
>
> 42 knot Hobie Cat
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0042848ac1416cbe
>
> 2 foot centipede
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/e32c62114ea73910
>
> Drives 10 million miles
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/ce00195d4af80a15
>
> Only 1 million on "scooters" though.
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7dc2a66a8a53c2d6
> -------------------------------------
>
> Self professed animal lover.
>
> Except for beating one dog.
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/551e94166afc0da2
>
> And hanging another from a choker chain. A redneck classic.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/5e8ae7330e8be437
> --------------------
>
> Wieber's funniest lies.
>
> "I never lie"
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/0264cc658d2e57fb
>
> "I never lie"
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/9ef5f530780d8194
> ---------------------
>
> And in case you couldn't guess, here are a couple of his IQ stories.
>
> "mid 150s"
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/60beacdc8a0bd420
>
> "165"
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/b8b3afb9ad1fd63f
> -----------------------
>
> Finally, for music lovers, the Wieber theme song
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waQOS3hKIa8
>
> Talking Hard Work
> Words and Music by Woody Guthrie
>
> While we're on the subject of hard work
> I just wanted to say that I always was a man to work.
>
> I was born working and I worked my way up by hard work.
> I ain't never go nowhere yet but I got there by hard work:
> Work of the hardest kind.
> I been down and I been out
> And I've been busted, disgusted and couldn't be trusted.
> I worked my way up and I worked my way down.
>
> I've been drunk and I've been sober. I've had hard times and I got
> hijacked
> And been robbed for cash and robbed for credit.
> Worked my way into jail and outta jail
> And I woke up alotta mornings and I didn't even know where I was at.
>
> But the hardest work I ever done is when I was trying to get myself
> a worried woman to ease my worried mind.
> Now I'm gonna tell you just about how much hard work I had to do to
> get this here
> women that I'm a-tellin you about.
>
> I shook hands with 97 of her kinfolks and her blood relatives and I
> done the same with 86 people that was just her friends and her
> neighbors.
> Kissed 73 babies and put dry pants on 34 of em' as well as others
> And done the same thing several times - as well as a lot of other
> things
> just about like this.
>
> I held 125 head of wild horses, put saddles and bridles on more that
> that,
> harnessed some of the craziest, wildest teams in the whole country.
> I rode 14 loco broncos to a dead standstill and let 42 hound dogs lick
> me all over.
> Seven times I was bit by hungry dogs and I was chewed all to pieces by
> water moccasins and rattlesnakes on two separate river bottoms.
> I chopped and I carried 314 armloads of stove wood, 100 buckets of
> coal,
> and I carried a gallon of kerosene 18 miles over the mountains, got
> lost,
> lost a pair of shoes in a mud hole.
> And I chopped and I weeded 48 rows of short cotton, 13 acres of bad
> corn
> and cut sticker weeds out of 11 back yards.
> All on accounta' cause I wanted to show her that I was a man a I liked
> to work.
>
> I cleaned out 9 barnloads and cranked 31 automobiles, all makes and
> models.
> Pulled 3 cars out of mud holes and 4 out of snowdrifts.
> I dug 5 cisterns of water for some of her friends and neighbors
> and run all kinds of errands.
>
> I played the fiddle for 9 churches meetings and I joined 11 separate
> denominations.
> I signed up and joined up for 7 of the best trade unions I could find
> And paid my dues about 6 weeks ahead of time.
>
> Waded 40 miles of swamps, 60 big rivers,
> Walked across 2 mountain ranges and crossed three deserts.
> I got the fever and I got sunstroke and I got malaria and I got the
> flu
> and I got moonstruck and skeeter bit, the poison ivy and the 7 year
> itch
> and the blind staggers.
>
> I was given up for lost and dead about 2 dozen times.
> Struck by lightning, struck by Congress, struck by friends and
> kinfolks
> as well as by three cars on the highways and a lotta times in peoples
> hen-houses.
> I been hit and run down and run over and walked on and knocked around
> And I'm just settin' here now trying to study up what else I can do to
> show
> that woman that I still ain't afraid of hard work.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[jon_banquer]

On Jan 11, 1:03 pm, Strabo <str...@flashlight.com> wrote:
> On 1/7/2013 12:11 PM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>
> > Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
> > troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
> > Asch.
>
> When all else fails attack your opponent's character.
>
> Your problem is that your nemesis has you outgunned and outclassed.
>
>  >> Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
> > thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
> > 1971, and was followed up by periodic  small amounts of time, on the
> > MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
> > net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva"
> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6
>
> > His habit is to write tall tales to top anyone he's debating. If his
> > opponent dares dispute any of the tales then Wieber follows up with
> > ever more elaboration and exaggeration. He frequently promises to put
> > his critics on "the list" so that they will be "hung from lamp posts"
> > during "the great cull" which is perennially just over the horizon.
> > This tactic is usually accompanied by multiple detailed descriptions
> > of gory deaths.
>

> > Typical thread examplehttp://tinyurl.com/amh8gjn

> > -------------------------------
>
> > Photos of Wieber
>
> > He sometimes posts a photo of himself in one of his clown costumes.

> >http://tinyurl.com/a7oha4bPresumably he imagines it will scare

> > readers into believing he might shoot them from miles away.
>
> > The reality is that he's a Usenet Walter Mitty whose main talent is
> > slowly culling himself by way of copious infusions of nicotine and
> > Mountain Dew. He'd have died years ago if not for multiple rescues by

> > the social welfare system he despises.http://tinyurl.com/ab7fb4p

> > --------------------------------
>
> > Plugged arteries, heavy smoking, Mountain Dew and one handed pullups.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/1f36c4ad63bee0ac
> > ---------------------------------
>
> > Wieber likes to pretend that he lives on ranch acreage, prepared to
> > survive the apocalypses he constantly warns everyone to fear. He has
> > variously described the grounds as
>
> > "3/4 of an acre"

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c3...

>
> > "Several acres"
> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/3d5d25863209cdc3
>
> > In reality it's a city lot with a shabby mobile home and tons of
> > clutter.

> >http://goo.gl/maps/TEXoUGoogle street view

> >http://tinyurl.com/yjxbmjq County property record, typically showing
> > his struggle to make $100 payments.
>

> > The Wieber Inc. company conference table.http://tinyurl.com/6v9u9hr
> > The corporate pool in the shop basement.http://tinyurl.com/7y3hn68

> > --------------------------
>
> > Wieber claims to be very skilled at many trades. He also insists he's
> > a hard worker despite the obvious contradiction with all the posting.
>
> > Yet the evidence is 30 years of liens and judgments.
> >http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkp     http://tinyurl.com/l68gh3
> > -------------------------------
>
> > Sexual Prowess
>
> > One of Wieber's many descriptions of sexual conquest and expertise,
> > this time dating a black Victoria's Secret model.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/76b0aba944fe26da
>
> > His charming description of one of his secret techniques.

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/92cccf38b2...

>
> > Listen up ladies: if you find teeth a turn-off then Weiber's your man.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/488c6a00c55ffdcf
> > ---------------------------------
>
> > Wieber's chronicle of the years 1976-2000. Unrequited love, wife and
> > kid from hell, trash and bills sneaking up for years, etc. In his own
> > words "disgusting."
> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/94ecb1feee7c3603
> > -------------------------------
>
> > Wieber's detailed description of his Friends List, a personal army of
> > "computer wienies," ready to track down his online enemies so that his
> > other friends can execute the offenders, yada yada.

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/51ccf1d671...

>
> > One of the above mentioned friends, and Wieber's most loyal sycophant
> > and defender for many years, the fearsome Tom Gardner.
> >http://www.neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG
> > ------------------------------------
>
> > One version of his story of serving in Vietnam despite the fact that
> > he was too young to have enlisted.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/503604f47159259d
>
> > One of his explanations for why he can't produce his service
> > documentation.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/a41c6783dbf70507
> > ---------------------------------------
>
> > Name an occupation and Wieber will claim to have substantial
> > experience. The trouble is that after so many hundreds of thousands of
> > posts he can't possibly keep track of who he's one-upped, including
> > himself.
>
> > The amazing Deputy Pinocchio story.
>
> > "I dabbled as a reserve Deputy for  a couple years"

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/50864f4b5f...

>
> > "a reserve Deputy at night (two years)"
> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/daf6b3de8807600c
>
> > "Worked for 5 yrs as a reserve Sheriff's Deputy"

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c3...

>
> > "I was a Deputy for several years in the 70s"

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0f875239e8...

>
> > "8 yrs on the street as a cop"
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/898e16741f642645
> > -----------------------------------
>
> > The stupendous Wieber tops world records!
>
> > 264 mph motorcycle
> >http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/504734f74873c17f
>
> > 42 knot Hobie Cat

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0042848ac1...

>
> > 2 foot centipede
> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/e32c62114ea73910
>
> > Drives 10 million miles

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/ce00195d4a...

>
> > Only 1 million on "scooters" though.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7dc2a66a8a53c2d6
> > -------------------------------------
>
> > Self professed animal lover.
>
> > Except for beating one dog.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/551e94166afc0da2
>
> > And hanging another from a choker chain. A redneck classic.

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/5e8ae7330e...

> > --------------------
>
> > Wieber's funniest lies.
>
> > "I never lie"
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/0264cc658d2e57fb
>
> > "I never lie"

> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/9ef5f53078...

"Your problem is that your nemesis has you outgunned and outclassed."

Wrong. Very wrong.

Mark Wieber many detractors don't have balance and are pushed over the
edge by the hate they have for Wieber. Going after Wieber's wife and
son would be an example of his detractors losing it and going too far
like Wieber himself often does with his death treats, etc.

While Wieber is a pathological liar, that doesn't mean he doesn't have
some talents and that some of his views and opinions aren't
worthwhile.

Wieber's detractors lose credibility again and again because they
become so consumed with their hate for Wieber. Sadly, Wieber
detractors often turn out to be as bad, if not worse, than Wieber
himself is.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:03:30 -0500, Strabo <str...@flashlight.com>
wrote:

>On 1/7/2013 12:11 PM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
>> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
>> Asch.
>>
>
>When all else fails attack your opponent's character.

Some people care about character as it goes to their credibility. In
this case, it's fucking ridiculous for Gunner to call virtually every
one of his online opponents a liar when he is in fact the most
prolific and well documented liar on Usenet.

>
>Your problem is that your nemesis has you outgunned and outclassed.

Arf arf. Yeah, no 264mph motorcycles or 6 years as a street cop here.
No clown costumes or pity parties either. The best thing about
ridiculing Wieber is watching his supporters try to come up with
pathetically weak excuses without ever addressing his lying. Which
makes their character really obvious.

[jon_banquer]

On Jan 11, 2:13 pm, whoyakidding's ghost <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Worshiping Wieber holds his supporters back from learning to think for
themselves.

[Gunner]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:03:30 -0500, Strabo <str...@flashlight.com>
wrote:

Thats pretty good! A great set up for court!!

Thank you!!!!

<V V V BG>!!!

Gunner

[Delvin Benet]

<VBG> no case. Ayup - no case.

[Delvin Benet]

On 1/11/2013 1:03 PM, Strabo wrote:
> On 1/7/2013 12:11 PM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
>> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
>> Asch.
>>
>
> When all else fails attack your opponent's character.
>
> Your problem is that your nemesis has you outgunned and outclassed.

Not even close. gummer dwieber, *fired* sheriff reservist, couldn't
outclass a rabid fox.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:12:29 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:03:30 -0500, Strabo <str...@flashlight.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 1/7/2013 12:11 PM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>>> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
>>> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
>>> Asch.
>>>
>>
>>When all else fails attack your opponent's character.
>>
>>Your problem is that your nemesis has you outgunned and outclassed.
>>
>>
>> >
>>> Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
>>> thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
>>> 1971, and was followed up by periodic small amounts of time, on the
>>> MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
>>> net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva"
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6
>>>
>>> His habit is to write tall tales to top anyone he's debating. If his
>>> opponent dares dispute any of the tales then Wieber follows up with
>>> ever more elaboration and exaggeration. He frequently promises to put
>>> his critics on "the list" so that they will be "hung from lamp posts"
>>> during "the great cull" which is perennially just over the horizon.
>>> This tactic is usually accompanied by multiple detailed descriptions
>>> of gory deaths.
>>>
>>> Typical thread example http://tinyurl.com/amh8gjn
>>> -------------------------------

>

>Thats pretty good! A great set up for court!!
>
>Thank you!!!!
>
><V V V BG>!!!

Arf arf. You've been threatening to sue people for longer than you've
been promising the great cull. Here are two in a single post from 9
years ago.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/811d9f1566ec3c8d
What's the delay on all these lawsuits? It seems like a couple hundred
of them should have reached court by now. You might want to read the
story of the boy who cried wolf, you lying sack of shit for brains
clown.

Attention Gunner supporters: Your hero implies that there's money to
be made by suing the "big pockets" of those who ridicule him with his
own words. All he needs to get this profit machine started is a
sufficient retainer and a commitment for a steady flow of dollars into
a law firm's account. So how about it? Put some money where your
mouths are for once!

Oh, and don't worry about refusing to flush your cash down the toilet.
Nobody will be able to figure out why you couldn't find it in your
hearts to help out poor maligned Wieber.

[jon_banquer]

On Jan 12, 7:07 am, whoyakidding's ghost <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:12:29 -0800, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:03:30 -0500, Strabo <str...@flashlight.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On 1/7/2013 12:11 PM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
> >>> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
> >>> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
> >>> Asch.
>
> >>When all else fails attack your opponent's character.
>
> >>Your problem is that your nemesis has you outgunned and outclassed.
>
> >>> Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, frequently
> >>> thousands of times per month. He wrote "My first "net account" was in
> >>> 1971, and was followed up by periodic  small amounts of time, on the
> >>> MARS Net. Mostly though it was simply Arty Net, or Arclight Net, or FO
> >>> net. and my handle (callsign) was Shiva"
> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5995a55433568fc6
>
> >>> His habit is to write tall tales to top anyone he's debating. If his
> >>> opponent dares dispute any of the tales then Wieber follows up with
> >>> ever more elaboration and exaggeration. He frequently promises to put
> >>> his critics on "the list" so that they will be "hung from lamp posts"
> >>> during "the great cull" which is perennially just over the horizon.
> >>> This tactic is usually accompanied by multiple detailed descriptions
> >>> of gory deaths.
>

> >>> Typical thread examplehttp://tinyurl.com/amh8gjn

> >>> -------------------------------
>
> >Thats pretty good!  A great set up for court!!
>
> >Thank you!!!!
>
> ><V V V BG>!!!
>
> Arf arf. You've been threatening to sue people for longer than you've
> been promising the great cull. Here are two in a single post from 9

> years ago.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/811d9f1566ec3c8d

> What's the delay on all these lawsuits? It seems like a couple hundred
> of them should have reached court by now. You might want to read the
> story of the boy who cried wolf, you lying sack of shit for brains
> clown.
>
> Attention Gunner supporters: Your hero implies that there's money to
> be made by suing the "big pockets" of those who ridicule him with his
> own words. All he needs to get this profit machine started is a
> sufficient retainer and a commitment for a steady flow of dollars into
> a law firm's account. So how about it? Put some money where your
> mouths are for once!
>
> Oh, and don't worry about refusing to flush your cash down the toilet.
> Nobody will be able to figure out why you couldn't find it in your
> hearts to help out poor maligned Wieber.

The last conversation that Wieber had when he tried to contact a
lawyer was recorded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjBlPucpd0

[A less crunchy technique]

On 1/11/2013 1:03 PM, Strabo wrote:

> On 1/7/2013 12:11 PM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
>> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
>> Asch.
>>
>
> When all else fails attack your opponent's character.

What failed?

>
> Your problem is that your nemesis has you outgunned and outclassed.

You're delusional.

[Ed Huntress]

Strabo? How in the hell did I miss a post from our favorite anarchist?

The last we heard from Strabo here, he was justifying rape and
extortion on the principle of freedom of contracts. He always has a
novel view on things, such as Gunner having anything that resembles
"class." Even Gunner would object to that. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

[A less crunchy technique]

On 7/27/2015 5:34 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:17:24 -0700, A less crunchy technique
> <chop.sl...@a.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/11/2013 1:03 PM, Strabo wrote:
>>> On 1/7/2013 12:11 PM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>>>> Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
>>>> troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
>>>> Asch.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When all else fails attack your opponent's character.
>>
>> What failed?
>>
>>>
>>> Your problem is that your nemesis has you outgunned and outclassed.
>>
>> You're delusional.
>
> Strabo? How in the hell did I miss a post from our favorite anarchist?

You probably didn't miss it. It was a two and a half year old post. I
like to agitate people with that from time to time.