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Tax Burden of Top 1% Now Exceeds That of Bottom 95% - COMBINED!

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∅baMa∅ Tse Dung

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Jul 31, 2010, 7:57:17 PM7/31/10
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E.J. Dionne argues that rich Americans are “undertaxed”
(“In American politics, stupidity is the name of the game,” July 29).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/28/AR2010072804529.html

He quotes the Congressional Budget Office to explain why: “the gaps in
after-tax income between the richest 1 percent of Americans and the
middle and poorest fifths of the country more than tripled between
1979 and 2007.”

Mr. Dionne’s view of “undertaxed” is odd. The IRS reports that in
2007 (the latest year for which data are available) the top 1 percent
of taxpayers in the U.S. paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes
collected by Uncle Sam. This percentage is well above the 24.8
percent of the income-tax burden borne by this group in 1987, the year
after the 1986 tax reform. Moreover, the top 1 percent of taxpayers
now pay more federal income taxes than do the bottom 95 percent
combined!*

If taxes are the price we pay for government services – rather than
booty to be extracted simply because someone is unusually wealthy –
then Mr. Dionne’s conclusion that rich Americans are undertaxed
overtaxes credulity.

Sincerely,
Donald J. Boudreaux

http://cafehayek.com/2010/07/undertaxed.html

* See the Tax Foundation’s Scott Hodge.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/24944.html

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Jul 31, 2010, 11:38:56 PM7/31/10
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On Jul 31, 9:15 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:57:17 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung

>
> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Mr. Dionne’s view of “undertaxed” is odd.  The IRS reports that in
> >2007 (the latest year for which data are available) the top 1 percent
> >of taxpayers in the U.S. paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes
> >collected by Uncle Sam.
>
> However, they own 90% of all the wealth.  
>
> Also, their contributions stop at less than 1% of their total income
> to SS, and the tax code makes it possible for them to pay nearly
> nothing.
>
> They contribute nothing of value to the Nation, provide no military
> service, can buy their way out of most everything, afford anything

BINGO. WELL SAID!!!!!

RHF

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Aug 1, 2010, 9:12:22 AM8/1/10
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On Jul 31, 7:15 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:57:17 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung
>
> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Mr. Dionne’s view of “undertaxed” is odd.  The IRS reports that in
> >2007 (the latest year for which data are available) the top 1 percent
> >of taxpayers in the U.S. paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes
> >collected by Uncle Sam.
>
- However, they own 90% of all the wealth.  
-
- Also, their contributions stop at less than 1% of their total income
- to SS, and the tax code makes it possible for them to pay nearly
- nothing.

Now That is True [.]

Fool Power to the Social Security Taxes

i am an 'inverted' 0.01%er* ~ RHF
* why i am so poor my zip code
is all 00000s
.
-
- They contribute nothing of value to the Nation, provide no military
- service, can buy their way out of most everything, afford anything

FOOL POWER TO THE TAXES !

No Jobs and High Unemployment ObamaNomics©
Plus Obama-Tax-Slavery©
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/c0167411acc7b56b

Obama-Tax-Slavery© !
+ Creating a Culture of Joblessness, Dependency
+ and Controlling Your Every Day Life
+ Plus Taxing Every Day You Live :
= That's Obama-Tax-Slavery© !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/fd2bc713ce1e20fa

The Obama+Pelosi+Reid Tax Hikes Planned for 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/3787610fa95e7582

Prez Obama's Hope and Change seams to be
morphing into the Hopelessness of Un-Employment
and Chains of More and Higher Taxes resulting in
the Obama Regime's Ever Expanding and Big
{All Controlling} Government.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/ab1a20a8974f7564
.
Prez Obama's "Cap-and-Trade" Laws
= More Obama-Taxes© On Daily Living
= Obama Tax Slavery !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/83e718dba79cda6e
.
Obama-U-Nism© There Is No Deception
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/e39e54fe4774d794
.
Go Green Recycle Congress ! -and-
Say 'No' to Obama, Pelosi & Reid
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5b507cea80522b22
.
O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Absolute Mistake America !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/244b71e8dcd31438
.
i am an 'inverted' 0.01%er* ~ RHF
* why i am so poor my zip code
is all 00000s
.
.

dave

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Aug 1, 2010, 10:21:38 AM8/1/10
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But they are nicely marbled...

Werner

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Aug 1, 2010, 10:54:39 AM8/1/10
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On Jul 31, 10:15 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:57:17 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung
>
> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Mr. Dionne’s view of “undertaxed” is odd.  The IRS reports that in
> >2007 (the latest year for which data are available) the top 1 percent
> >of taxpayers in the U.S. paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes
> >collected by Uncle Sam.
>
> However, they own 90% of all the wealth.  
>
> Also, their contributions stop at less than 1% of their total income
> to SS, and the tax code makes it possible for them to pay nearly
> nothing.
>
> They contribute nothing of value to the Nation, provide no military
> service, can buy their way out of most everything, afford anything


If the tax code allows them to pay nearly nothing how is it they pay
40%?

Who said," the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out
of other people's money"?

http://www.EndIt.info

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dxAce

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Aug 1, 2010, 1:54:44 PM8/1/10
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Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 07:54:39 -0700 (PDT), Werner <whet...@mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> They contribute nothing of value to the Nation, provide no military
> >> service, can buy their way out of most everything, afford anything
> >
> >
> >If the tax code allows them to pay nearly nothing how is it they pay
> >40%?
>

> Facts are dependent on who interprets them. However, if they own 90%
> of all the wealth, and pay less than 1% of their income in taxes,
> (while the working poor pay 100% after subsistence)---then, houston,
> you have a problem

Well, the poor, (I'm one of them) pay no income tax, so therefore the money
that keeps things running comes from somewhere.

I recall hearing something about 44,000 folks in NYC that pay over 50% of the
taxes there.


∅baMa∅ Tse Dung

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Aug 1, 2010, 2:54:54 PM8/1/10
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On Jul 31, 9:15 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:57:17 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung
>
> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Mr. Dionne’s view of “undertaxed” is odd.  The IRS reports that in
> >2007 (the latest year for which data are available) the top 1 percent
> >of taxpayers in the U.S. paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes
> >collected by Uncle Sam.
>
> However, they own 90% of all the wealth.  
>
> Also, their contributions stop at less than 1% of their total income
> to SS, and the tax code makes it possible for them to pay nearly
> nothing.
>
> They contribute nothing of value to the Nation, provide no military
> service, can buy their way out of most everything, afford anything

This income disparity of which you point to is not a result of
Capitalism.
On the contrary! It is the result of ever increasing government
interference in free market capitalism.
If this interference is allowed to continue, and God forbid increase,
it will result in far more disastrous consequences which are not so
far off on the economic horizon.
Detroit and Chicago are well on this path.

Here is what is happening thanks to an ever increasing Socialist Creep
of government influence and regulations of the U.S. economy.

I post the following for study as an example of the increasing rate of
Socialism's detrimental creep into our economy.

As one had recently posted elsewhere with all emphasis mine:

"Socialism with Chinese Characteristics"
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90002/92169/92211/6275043.html

The Chinese planning system has encountered the same problems of
inflexibility and inadequate responsiveness that have emerged in
other
centrally planned economies [which all have failed]. The basic
difficulty has been that it is impossible for planners to foresee all
the needs of the economy and to specify adequately the
characteristics
of planned inputs and products [Mises, Hayek, Friedman- http://mises.org
]. Beginning in 1979 and 1980, the first reforms were introduced on
an
experimental basis. Nearly all of these policies increased the
autonomy and decision-making power of the various economic units and
reduced the direct role of central planning. [Uh oh!]

In the 1980s, rural China gained the upper hand, and the result was
rapid as well as broad-based growth. China’s rural economy took off
in
the 1980s, led by ‘township and village enterprises’ that were
essentially private, only to be ignored in the 1990s by state-led
development that focused on urban regions such as Shanghai. The
‘Shanghai miracle’ – as any businessman who has worked there knows –
was not the simple triumph of capitalism, but of a stronger and more
intrusive (and effective) state. IF ONE WANTS TO UNDERSTAND THE POLICY
ORIGINS OF China's [and similiarly the U.S.] GROWING DIVIDE BETWEEN
RICH AND POOR, urban and rural, one need look no further.

In the 1990s, urban China triumphed. In the 1990s, the Chinese state
reversed many of its productive [private capitalist] rural
experiments, with long-lasting damage to the economy and society.
[China's post-Mao Tse Dung leaders were well aware of the dangers of
rural power. That is how, afterall, Mao Tse Dung and Communism came
to power]. A WEAK FINANCIAL SECTOR, INCOME DISPARITY, rising
illiteracy, productivity slowdowns, and REDUCED PERSONAL INCOME GROWTH
are the product of the Socialism with Chinese characteristics [state
interference] of the
1990s and beyond. While GDP grew quickly in both decades, THE WELFARE
IMPLICATIONS OF GROWTH DIFFERED SUBSTANTIALLY. The single biggest
obstacle to sustainable growth and financial stability in China today
is its poor political governance [Hello!]. China faces some of its
toughest
economic challenges and substantial vulnerabilities that require
fundamental institutional reforms.[Goodbye 0baMao Tse Dung]

When I say “capitalism,” I mean a full, pure, uncontrolled,
unregulated laissez-faire capitalism—with a separation of state and
economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation
of state and church.

The best example of Freedom is the full, pure, uncontrolled,
unregulated laissez-faire capitalism that was pre-1989 Hong Kong:
View "Free To Choose - ORIGINAL 1980 SERIES: Volume 1 - The Power of
the Market"
http://www.ideachannel.tv/
http://www.freetochoose.net/store/product_info.php?products_id=36

It is no wonder that Communist China was intent on snuffing out Hong
Kong laissez-faire capitalism.

Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual
rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately
owned.

The recognition of individual rights entails the banishment of
physical force from human relationships: basically, rights can be
violated only by means of force. In a capitalist society, no man or
group may initiate the use of physical force against others. The only
function of the government, in such a society, is the task of
protecting man’s rights, i.e., the task of protecting him from
physical force; the government acts as the agent of man’s right of
self-defense, and may use force only in retaliation and only against
those who initiate its use; thus the government is the means of
placing the retaliatory use of force under objective control.

A capitalist marketplace is a sort of Darwinian organism, evolved
through natural selection as the fittest way to satisfy our needs.
It
is Human Nature. Itis natural. It is natural to be free - Born
Free! And nothing you think or say will ever change that fact. It
is
normal.

Liberal Fascism, Progessivism, Socialism, Communism are abnormal.
They are a mental disease.
History reeks of the rotting stench from this diseased corpse you
love
so much:

http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org
http://www.forfreedomssake.com/blog/2009/03/the-black-book-of-communism/

The disease is necrophilia.

If you don't suckle on mother nature's Capitalist milk you're Dead in
Pyongyang.

∅baMa∅ Tse Dung

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Aug 1, 2010, 2:56:45 PM8/1/10
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On Aug 1, 12:49 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
>
> >Who said," the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out
> >of other people's money"?
>
> Well, then you should be thankful we don't have socialism---
>
> We do, however, learn from history, that when the wealth and corporate
> class, coupled with LESS government, causes major social and economic
> disasters.

You are wrong. DEAD WRONG!

∅baMa∅ Tse Dung

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Aug 1, 2010, 3:07:11 PM8/1/10
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It is a fact that governement officials are influenced by corporate
wealth and thus increase regulations which snuffs out competition for
this wealth.

If unregulated, free-market, laissez-faire capitalism were allowed to
prosper, without any government interference, there would no way, no
how, never be what you describe as "social and economic disasters".
Certainly no where near as disasterous as the result of government
interference.

sillapond

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Aug 1, 2010, 3:23:18 PM8/1/10
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On 08/01/2010 10:49 AM, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> Facts are dependent on who interprets them.

Really?

I thought they were simply facts, you libs sure have strange protocols
for constants...

dave

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Aug 1, 2010, 4:38:54 PM8/1/10
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Why did we used to have bank runs and panics every few years?

dave

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Aug 1, 2010, 4:40:43 PM8/1/10
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∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:

> If unregulated, free-market, laissez-faire capitalism were allowed to
> prosper, without any government interference, there would no way, no
> how, never be what you describe as "social and economic disasters".
> Certainly no where near as disasterous as the result of government
> interference.

So you would have let the banks and insurance companies all fail
September 2008? If so you're with me!

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Christopher Helms

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Aug 1, 2010, 8:23:32 PM8/1/10
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On Jul 31, 9:15 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:57:17 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung
>
> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Mr. Dionne’s view of “undertaxed” is odd.  The IRS reports that in
> >2007 (the latest year for which data are available) the top 1 percent
> >of taxpayers in the U.S. paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes
> >collected by Uncle Sam.
>
> However, they own 90% of all the wealth.  


I believe the top 5% actually control something like 99% of the
nation's wealth, some of which they use to fund outfits like The
Heritage Foundation, which constantly laments what a tough time the
rich are having.

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sillapond

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On 08/01/2010 05:23 PM, Christopher Helms wrote:

> I believe the top 5% actually control something like 99% of the
> nation's wealth,

But what YOU believe is INSANE!

bpnjensen

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Aug 2, 2010, 2:41:19 AM8/2/10
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Insane but true.

Clave

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"bpnjensen" <bpnj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ea8eadee-fb72-4f4f...@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

Insane but true.

=====================================================================

Kinda the point.

Jim


RHF

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On Aug 1, 5:18 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:23:18 -0700, sillapond <i...@val.id> wrote:
> >> Facts are dependent on who interprets them.
>
> >Really?
>
> Yes.

- It is a "fact" that ships disappear over the horizon

Actually that is NOT a 'fact' : That is a 'perception'.

The Ship 'exists' before the Horizon Transition Event
and the Ship still 'exists' after it.

The Fact is {Reality} that : We Can Not See Over the Horizon.

-note- To the people on the Ship it is 'we' {back-there}
who do the Disappearing Act.
.

- However, IF you have a loony, greedy, conservative
- interpreting them to prove that the world is flat----then
- it does result in a wrong conclusion.

.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
.

RHF

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On Aug 1, 5:12 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:56:45 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung

>
> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> We do, however, learn from history, that when the wealth and corporate
> >> class, coupled with LESS government, causes major social and economic
> >> disasters.
>
> >You are wrong.  DEAD WRONG!
>
> Most everyone who can't take the truth---say history is wrong
>
> Don't take my word for it---any competent history book on America will
> tell you of the misery, woe, sickness, exploitation of the period from
> 1850-1930's---.
>
> Or did you think those thousands who marched against our government,
> the marches in support of Communism happened because thousands didn't
> have anything to do those years?
>
> Or--how about the tens of thousands marching in the South in the 60's,
> or the millions that camped out on the Capital Mall calling attention
> to massive hunger and homelessness in the early 60's
>
- Yep, you uneducated idiots are why
- someone like us NEEDS to be around
- to stop your greed, racism, and self-entitlement.

? someone like us ?

So then, why aren't you posting from Cuba
or North Korea . . .
.

RHF

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Aug 2, 2010, 4:04:42 AM8/2/10
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On Aug 1, 5:24 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:54:54 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung

>
>
>
> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 31, 9:15 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:57:17 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung
>
> >> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Mr. Dionne’s view of “undertaxed” is odd.  The IRS reports that in
> >> >2007 (the latest year for which data are available) the top 1 percent
> >> >of taxpayers in the U.S. paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes
> >> >collected by Uncle Sam.
>
> >> However, they own 90% of all the wealth.  
>
> >> Also, their contributions stop at less than 1% of their total income
> >> to SS, and the tax code makes it possible for them to pay nearly
> >> nothing.
>
> >> They contribute nothing of value to the Nation, provide no military
> >> service, can buy their way out of most everything, afford anything
>
> >This income disparity of which you point to is not a result of
> >Capitalism.
>
- It is.  Money is generated by market forces----and IF unregulated
and
- unrestricted will ONLY do what is best for a return of
- profit----INDEPENDENT of what society requires.

-so- "Money is generated by market forces"

In a Communist Society ruled by a Cadre of {Elite}
Communist Leaders : What Are The Market Forces ?

> >On the contrary!  It is the result of ever increasing government
> >interference in free market capitalism.
>

> The history of "less government" is STANDARD reading for anyone above
> the age of 12---in High schools (or used to be) and certainly in
> college dealing with turn of the 20th century society in American.
>
> Various books have been written about the squalor, exploitation,
> misery, filth, disease, and outright abuse of people by the business
> and wealth class in the early part of the 20th century (after 1860
> orso)


>
> >If this interference is allowed to continue, and God forbid increase,
> >it will result in far more disastrous consequences which are not so
> >far off on the economic horizon.
>

> Once again--read history


>
> >Detroit and Chicago are well on this path.
>

> Major Urban centers do not fare well when Conservative/loonytarian
> government rears it's ugly head.  That's a historical fact.


>
> >Here is what is happening thanks to an ever increasing Socialist Creep
> >of government influence and regulations of the U.S. economy.
>

> You need to look up the difference between "socialism" and "social
> policy"  Both use the same word---in different meanings.


>
> >I post the following for study as an example of the increasing rate of
> >Socialism's detrimental creep into our economy.
>

> I post laughter at your loony crap


>
> >A capitalist marketplace is a sort of Darwinian organism, evolved
> >through natural selection as the fittest way to satisfy our needs.
>

> CHristsakes
>
> Do you know how many years social darwinism has been discredited as a
> theory?

RHF

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Aug 2, 2010, 4:21:48 AM8/2/10
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On Aug 1, 11:41 pm, bpnjensen <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 9:36 pm, sillapond <i...@val.id> wrote:
>
> > On 08/01/2010 05:23 PM, Christopher Helms wrote:
>
- - - I believe the top 5% actually control something
- - - like 99% of the nation's wealth,

- - But what YOU believe is INSANE!

- Insane but true.

So the Truth can cause Insanity.

So when we say "The Truth Will Set You Free"
? Are We Saying : The Freedom to go Insane . . .

* - = Insane Rant On = - *
Fool Power to Taxing the Richest of the Rich !
* Leave No Dollar Un-Taxed and then Tax the Taxes
* When the Rich No Longer have any Money :
Then Tax Their Property; Their Children & Families.
* When the Rich No Longer have any Property :
Then Tax Their Food and Water.
* When the Rich No Longer have any Food and
Water : Then Tax the Air that they Breath
YEAH - TAX THE RICH OUT OF EXISTENCE

dave

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Aug 2, 2010, 8:20:46 AM8/2/10
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Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:40:43 -0800, dave<da...@dave.dave> wrote:
> And the financial well-being of America would have then been
> served----by who?
>
That would be "by whom"

I am an Anarchist Socialist. We don't care about the "financial
well-being" of America.

Until the Civil War, import duties largely covered the cost of government.

dave

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Aug 2, 2010, 8:28:01 AM8/2/10
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RHF wrote:
> On Aug 1, 5:18 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:23:18 -0700, sillapond<i...@val.id> wrote:
>>>> Facts are dependent on who interprets them.
>>
>>> Really?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> - It is a "fact" that ships disappear over the horizon
>
> Actually that is NOT a 'fact' : That is a 'perception'.
>
> The Ship 'exists' before the Horizon Transition Event
> and the Ship still 'exists' after it.
>
> The Fact is {Reality} that : We Can Not See Over the Horizon.
>
> -note- To the people on the Ship it is 'we' {back-there}
> who do the Disappearing Act.
> .

dance myself to nothing
vanish from this place
gonna turn myself to shadow
so I can see your face

Chas. Chan

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Aug 6, 2010, 9:16:04 PM8/6/10
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On Aug 1, 7:12 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:56:45 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung

>
> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> We do, however, learn from history, that when the wealth and corporate
> >> class, coupled with LESS government, causes major social and economic
> >> disasters.
>
> >You are wrong.  DEAD WRONG!
>
> Most everyone who can't take the truth---say history is wrong
>
> Don't take my word for it---any competent history book on America will
> tell you of the misery, woe, sickness, exploitation of the period from
> 1850-1930's---.

bwaHAHAHA! AND YOU WERE THERE!
WOW! You are not only DEAD WRONG you are STUPID DEAD WRONG.

Only a Public School Teacher graduate from a Public Scool would claim
their
little Red History text books are anything other than propganda lies.
Man, you are truely a lost brainwashed idiot if you beleive this
shiesse.
All you know is how to parrot LIE, LIES and MORE RED PROPAGANDA LIES!
It has become a comedy. Unfortunately for you it all ends in tragedy.

>
> Or did you think those thousands who marched against our government,
> the marches in support of Communism happened because thousands didn't
> have anything to do those years?

Here we go. Now the true mind of Red Liberal Fascist is revealed.

>
> Or--how about the tens of thousands marching in the South in the 60's,
> or the millions that camped out on the Capital Mall calling attention
> to massive hunger and homelessness in the early 60's

Uh huh. Who were the organisers of your ignorant student body of
young soft pliable minds?
WHO WERE THESE COMMUNIST PARTY MEMBERS THAT DESTROYED THE YOUTH?
If you know anything about history YOU KNOW MAO TSE DUNG! His
CULTural Revolution!!
I KNOW YOU DO!!!

> Yep, you uneducated idiots are why someone like us NEEDS to be around


> to stop your greed, racism, and self-entitlement.

Many of the wonderful-sounding ideas that have been tried as
government policies have failed disastrously. Because so few people
bother to study history, often the same ideas and policies have been
tried again, either in another country or in the same country at a
later time-- and with the same disastrous results.

One of the ideas that has proved to be almost impervious to evidence
is the idea that wise and far-sighted people need to take control and
plan economic and social policies so that there will be a rational and
just order, rather than chaos resulting from things being allowed to
take their own course. It sounds so logical and plausible that
demanding hard evidence would seem almost like nit-picking.

In one form or another, this idea goes back at least as far as the
French Revolution in the 18th century. As J.A. Schumpeter later wrote
of that era, "general well-being ought to have been the consequence,"
but "instead we find misery, shame and, at the end of it all, a stream
of blood."

The same could be said of the Bolshevik Revolution and other
revolutions of the 20th century.

The idea that the wise and knowledgeable few need to take control of
the less wise and less knowledgeable many has taken milder forms-- and
repeatedly with bad results as well.

One of the most easily documented examples has been economic central
planning, which was tried in countries around the world at various
times during the 20th century, among people of differing races and
cultures, and under government ranging from democracies to
dictatorships.

The people who ran central planning agencies usually had more advanced
education than the population at large, and probably higher IQs as
well.

The central planners also had far more statistics and other facts at
their disposal than the average person had. Moreover, there were
usually specialized experts such as economists and statisticians on
the staffs of the central planners, and outside consultants were
available when needed. Finally, the central planners had the power of
government behind them, to enforce the plans they created.

It is hardly surprising that conservatives, such as Prime Minister
Margaret Thatcher in Britain and President Ronald Reagan in the United
States, opposed this approach. What is remarkable is that, after a few
decades of experience with central planning in some countries, or a
few generations in others, even communists and socialists began to
repudiate this approach.

As they replaced central planning with more reliance on markets, their
countries' economic growth rate almost invariably increased, often
dramatically. In the largest and most recent examples-- China and
India-- people by the millions have risen above these countries'
official poverty rates, after they freed their economies from many of
their suffocating government controls.

China, where famines have repeatedly ravaged the country, now has a
problem of obesity-- not a good thing in itself, but a big improvement
over famines.

This has implications far beyond economics. Think about it: How was it
even possible that transferring decisions from elites with more
education, intellect, data and power to ordinary people could lead
consistently to demonstrably better results?

One implication is that no one is smart enough to carry out social
engineering, whether in the economy or in other areas where the
results may not always be so easily quantifiable. We learn, not from
our initial brilliance, but from trial and error adjustments to events
as they unfold.

Science tells us that the human brain reaches its maximum potential in
early adulthood. Why then are young adults so seldom capable of doing
what people with more years of experience can do?

Because experience trumps brilliance.

Elites may have more brilliance, but those who make decisions for
society as a whole cannot possibly have as much experience as the
millions of people whose decisions they preempt. The education and
intellects of the elites may lead them to have more sweeping
presumptions, but that just makes them more dangerous to the freedom,
as well as the well-being, of the people as a whole.

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2010/07/27/how_smart_are_we
http://www.tsowell.com

Paul Briskette

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On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:16:04 -0700, Chas. Chan wrote:

> On Aug 1, 7:12 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:56:45 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung
>>
>> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:

(deleted twisted logic rant)
>
> Because experience trumps brilliance.

Experience DOES tells us that trickle down economics do not work.

Experience is also learning from past failures and using common sense to
not repeat them. Experience alone promotes repeating waste and
inefficiency. Intelligence is developing new ways of achieving the same
end with less effort expended, faster and cheaper. For some reason, the
conservative right is against intelligence and high education. Asia has
invested heavily in this area and it is paying off for them.

Besides, the top 1% of the rich are not people who re-invest into
infrastructure. They mostly are corporate CEOs, bankers and investors.
Give them a tax break and they will take the extra money and stash it
overseas where it will not be taxed.

Removing tax breaks for corporations who import their products tariff-
free, and then compete with true American manufacturers would be a great
way to get America back to manufacturing and a sound economy.

Unfortunately, this way of thinking would hinder profit from large
corporations and eat into investors and bankers profits. This is why
bankers and investors are not financing small business loans. American
manufacturing jobs eat into Corporate profit!

Putting more tax free money in the over-stuffed pockets of the rich (at
your expense) will only create money that trickles down into republican
senator's pocket when they become lobbyist.

RHF

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Aug 7, 2010, 8:18:59 AM8/7/10
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On Aug 6, 9:03 pm, Paul Briskette <f...@email.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:16:04 -0700, Chas. Chan wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 7:12 pm, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> >> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:56:45 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung
>
> >> <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (deleted twisted logic rant)
>
>
>
> > Because experience trumps brilliance.

- Experience DOES tells us that trickle down economics do not work.
.
OBTW -if- 'Trickle-Down' Economies Does NOT Work . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
? Then How Does the Obama Tax & Pelosi Tax
& Reid Tax 'Triple-Down' Taxing Work . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4e8a38ba13a29b1c

wondering... wow it's taxing my brain ~ RHF


.
> Experience is also learning from past failures and using common sense to
> not repeat them. Experience alone promotes repeating waste and
> inefficiency. Intelligence is developing new ways of achieving the same
> end with less effort expended, faster and cheaper.  For some reason, the
> conservative right is against intelligence and high education. Asia has
> invested heavily in this area and it is paying off for them.
>
> Besides, the top 1% of the rich are not people who re-invest into
> infrastructure. They mostly are corporate CEOs, bankers and investors.
> Give them a tax break and they will take the extra money and stash it
> overseas where it will not be taxed.
>
> Removing tax breaks for corporations who import their products tariff-
> free, and then compete with true American manufacturers would be a great
> way to get America back to manufacturing and a sound economy.
>
> Unfortunately, this way of thinking would hinder profit from large
> corporations and eat into investors and bankers profits. This is why
> bankers and investors are not financing small business loans. American
> manufacturing jobs eat into Corporate profit!
>
> Putting more tax free money in the over-stuffed pockets of the rich (at
> your expense) will only create money that trickles down into republican
> senator's pocket when they become lobbyist.  

FOOL POWER TO THE TAXES !
+ More and More and More Obama Taxes
+ Higher and Higher and Higher Obama Taxes
+ Massive {More and Higher} Obama Taxes
+ Secret [Hidden] Obama Taxes called Fees
+ Secret [Hidden] Obama Taxes called Surcharges
+ Taxes called Urgent and Necessary by Prez Obama
+ Taxes called an Economic Necessity by Prez Obama

First - Tax the Rich to Death


Fool Power to Taxing the Richest of the Rich !
* Leave No Dollar Un-Taxed and then Tax the Taxes
* When the Rich No Longer have any Money :
Then Tax Their Property; Their Children & Families.
* When the Rich No Longer have any Property :
Then Tax Their Food and Water.
* When the Rich No Longer have any Food and
Water : Then Tax the Air that they Breath
YEAH - TAX THE RICH OUT OF EXISTENCE

Second - Tax the Middle Class* to Death
* cause the Middle Class now equals Richest
of the Rich -so- Fool Power to Taxing Them

Third - Tax the Poor* to Death
* cause the Poor now equals the Richest
of the Rich -so- Fool Power to Taxing Them

PROVING Once Again that Nothing is Certain
Except : Taxes & Death {Death & Taxes}

Look - There is a Sign up ahead and it reads :
"Taxes & Death" -meaning-
We Are On The Road To Obama-Tax-Slavery©

No Jobs and High Unemployment ObamaNomics©
Plus Obama-Tax-Slavery©
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/c0167411ac...

Obama-Tax-Slavery© !
+ Creating a Culture of Joblessness, Dependency
+ and Controlling Your Every Day Life
+ Plus Taxing Every Day You Live :
= That's Obama-Tax-Slavery© !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/fd2bc713ce1e20fa

The Obama+Pelosi+Reid Tax Hikes Planned for 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/3787610fa95e...

Prez Obama's Hope and Change seams to be
morphing into the Hopelessness of Un-Employment
and Chains of More and Higher Taxes resulting in
the Obama Regime's Ever Expanding and Big
{All Controlling} Government.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/ab1a20a8974f...
.
Prez Obama's "Cap-and-Trade" Laws
= More Obama-Taxes© On Daily Living
= Obama Tax Slavery !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/83e718dba79cda6e
.
Obama-U-Nism© There Is No Deception
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/e39e54fe47...
.
Go Green Recycle Congress ! -and-
Say 'No' to Obama, Pelosi & Reid
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5b507cea80522b22
.
O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Absolute Mistake America !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/244b71e8dcd31438
.
i am a 'bottom' 0.01%er* ~ RHF


* why i am so poor my zip code is all 00000s
.

-ps- from the bottom of my really broke heart
i want to thank all those top 1%ers and 5%ers.
.
.

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Paul Briskette

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On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 08:42:59 -0600, Obiter wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT), RHF
> <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>FOOL POWER TO THE TAXES !
>

> Yes, we call it "federalism" and is (and will be) the policy or
> returning tax revenue BACK to states (people) in a cogent, national,
> systematic set of policies.


>>
>>First - Tax the Rich to Death
>

> Again, bullshit stupidity. NO ONE want's to "tax the rich to death"
> OTOH, we don't want billions and billions flowing to ever smaller
> numbers of any class to the detriment of an entire society


>
>>YEAH - TAX THE RICH OUT OF EXISTENCE
>

> How do you "tax the rich out of existence"---if their Massive wealth is
> only taxed at a rate consistent with their ability to pay?


>
>>Second - Tax the Middle Class* to Death
>

> WHich is exactly what conservatives do---to allow the wealth class to
> "keep their money"


>>
>>Third - Tax the Poor*
>

> The poor, under conservativism, are taxed disproportionally more than
> the top 10%


>>
>>PROVING Once Again that Nothing is Certain Except : Taxes & Death {Death
>>& Taxes}
>

> And moral, ethical, legal, constitutional, and christian


>
>>Prez Obama's Hope and Change seams to be morphing into the Hopelessness
>>of Un-Employment and Chains of More and Higher Taxes resulting in the
>>Obama Regime's Ever Expanding and Big {All Controlling} Government.
>

> Stupid fuckwit
>
> The "raise" in taxes is mostly getting rid of Bush's cuts for the
> wealthy

Wasting your time responding to the dipshit Mr. Cut-n-Paste RHF. He can
only respond with the words of other dipshits. faux and limpalls

Most everybody here filters him out

RHF

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Aug 7, 2010, 8:04:57 PM8/7/10
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On Aug 7, 7:42 am, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT), RHF
>
> <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >FOOL POWER TO THE TAXES !
>
> Yes, we call it "federalism" and is (and will be) the policy or
> returning tax revenue BACK to states (people) in a cogent, national,
> systematic set of policies.
>
>
>
> >First - Tax the Rich to Death
>
> Again, bullshit stupidity.  NO ONE want's to "tax the rich to death"
> OTOH, we don't want billions and billions flowing to ever smaller
> numbers of any class to the detriment of an entire society
>
> >YEAH - TAX THE RICH OUT OF EXISTENCE
>
> How do you "tax the rich out of existence"---if their Massive wealth
> is only taxed at a rate consistent with their ability to pay?
>
> >Second - Tax the Middle Class* to Death
>
> WHich is exactly what conservatives do---to allow the wealth class to
> "keep their money"
>
>
>
> >Third - Tax the Poor*
>
> The poor, under conservativism, are taxed disproportionally more than
> the top 10%
>
>
>
> >PROVING Once Again that Nothing is Certain
> >Except : Taxes & Death {Death & Taxes}
>
> And moral, ethical, legal, constitutional, and christian
>
> >Prez Obama's Hope and Change seams to be
> >morphing into the Hopelessness of Un-Employment
> >and Chains of More and Higher Taxes resulting in
> >the Obama Regime's Ever Expanding and Big
> >{All Controlling} Government.

- Stupid fuckwit

Obi ? Stupid fuckwit ? { Is that sort of a FATWA
of Hate Speech Attack Language ? }


.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
.

RHF

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Aug 7, 2010, 8:08:18 PM8/7/10
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On Aug 7, 7:42 am, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT), RHF
>
> <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >FOOL POWER TO THE TAXES !
>
> Yes, we call it "federalism" and is (and will be) the policy or
> returning tax revenue BACK to states (people) in a cogent, national,
> systematic set of policies.
>
>
>
> >First - Tax the Rich to Death
>
> Again, bullshit stupidity.  NO ONE want's to "tax the rich to death"
> OTOH, we don't want billions and billions flowing to ever smaller
> numbers of any class to the detriment of an entire society
>
> >YEAH - TAX THE RICH OUT OF EXISTENCE
>
> How do you "tax the rich out of existence"---if their Massive wealth
> is only taxed at a rate consistent with their ability to pay?
>
> >Second - Tax the Middle Class* to Death
>
> WHich is exactly what conservatives do---to allow the wealth class to
> "keep their money"
>
>
>
> >Third - Tax the Poor*
>
> The poor, under conservativism, are taxed disproportionally more than
> the top 10%
>
>
>
> >PROVING Once Again that Nothing is Certain
> >Except : Taxes & Death {Death & Taxes}
>
> And moral, ethical, legal, constitutional, and christian
>
> >Prez Obama's Hope and Change seams to be
> >morphing into the Hopelessness of Un-Employment
> >and Chains of More and Higher Taxes resulting in
> >the Obama Regime's Ever Expanding and Big
> >{All Controlling} Government.
>
> Stupid fuckwit

>
> The "raise" in taxes is mostly getting rid of Bush's cuts for the
> wealthy

One simple Fact Obama [LD] and Pelosi [LD] and
Reid [LD] have controlled the US Congress for Years
and the White House for over a Year . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/304ece5199a86a10

"LD" = Liberal Democrats

Prez Obama [LD] - It's Now Your Fault !

Nancy Pelosi [LD] - It's Now Your Fault !

Harry Reid [LD] - It's Now Your Fault !

Obama Change = More and More Wasteful Spending

Obama Change = Higher and Higher Taxes on Living

Obama Hope = Hopelessness of Failed Government

Obama Hope = Higher and Constant Un-employment for all

Obama Hope = Smaller Un-Employment Checks for all

HELLO America - Prez Bush has been out of Office
for a Year and a Half : When is Prez Obama Going
to Take Responsibility for Being the US President
and Stop Blaming former prez Bush . . .

HELLO America - The republicans have not controlled
either of House's of the US Congress since 2007 :
When is Prez Obama Going to Take Responsibility
for Being the US President and Stop Blaming the
Republicans for the Failures of the Democrats . . .
-and- When are Pelosi and Reid Going to Take
Responsibility for Being the Heads of the Houses
of the US Congress and Stop Blaming the Republicans
for the Failures of their own Democrats . . .

OOPS - Even Jay Leno is now making late-nite jokes
about Prez Obama still Blaming former prez Bush . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0864edf9bca744ca

prez obama a sad portrait of failed leadership ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4a844035033d4e69
.
.

RHF

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PB ? dipshit ? & ? dipshit ?

PB ? faux ? & ? limpalls ?


.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
.

When is Prez Obama Going to Take Responsibility
for Being the US President and Stop Blaming

former prez Bush . . . - = N E V E R = -
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ee28c29e0d2bcb6b
.
.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Aug 7, 2010, 9:24:44 PM8/7/10
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Hitlery Klintoon.What A Piece of Furniture!!!
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=293845
cuhulin

Day Brown

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Aug 7, 2010, 10:21:50 PM8/7/10
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On 08/06/2010 08:16 PM, Chas. Chan wrote:
> Elites may have more brilliance, but those who make decisions for
> society as a whole cannot possibly have as much experience as the
> millions of people whose decisions they preempt. The education and
> intellects of the elites may lead them to have more sweeping
> presumptions, but that just makes them more dangerous to the freedom,
> as well as the well-being, of the people as a whole.
It dont work that way anymore. It turns out, the neurology shows that
you cant raise kids on sugar cereals, junk food, and soda and then
expect them to grow up to be rational voters. Just look at all the
lunacy here compared to the tiny amount of rational discourse.

And this effects the elites as well.

As a result, the corporate mass media prefers sensational stories that
build ratings and hence ad revenues rather than the dull analysis of
real statistical data showing what is going on.

The elites, the media, and the sheeple all suffer from group think.

You are hard put to find a poster who admits there is a downside to
proposals, yet the rational mind always knows there aint no free lunch.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Aug 7, 2010, 10:31:22 PM8/7/10
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http://www.devilfinder.com
GM Volt to sell for $41,000 Cost to build $81,000

Our tax dollars at work.
cuhulin

RHF

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Aug 8, 2010, 12:08:04 AM8/8/10
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On Aug 7, 7:21 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/06/2010 08:16 PM, Chas. Chan wrote:> Elites may have more brilliance, but those who make decisions for
> > society as a whole cannot possibly have as much experience as the
> > millions of people whose decisions they preempt. The education and
> > intellects of the elites may lead them to have more sweeping
> > presumptions, but that just makes them more dangerous to the freedom,
> > as well as the well-being, of the people as a whole.
>
> It dont work that way anymore. It turns out, the neurology shows that
> you cant raise kids on sugar cereals, junk food, and soda and then
> expect them to grow up to be rational voters. Just look at all the
> lunacy here compared to the tiny amount of rational discourse.
>
> And this effects the elites as well.
>
> As a result, the corporate mass media prefers sensational stories that
> build ratings and hence ad revenues rather than the dull analysis of
> real statistical data showing what is going on.

- The elites, the media, and the sheeple all suffer from group think.

But these are three different groups - so . . .

Elite {Elitists} Group Think
-wrt- Czars & Kings, & Lords & Caliphs;
Comrade Great Leaders & Commissars;
Führers & Reichsfuhrers;
Presidents-for-Life; etc
* Impose the Suffering on the Masses

Mass Media {Propagandist} Group Think
-wrt- Wilson WWI & Goebbels WWII & 1984
* Glorify Suffering as Good and Necessary
and even to be Enjoyed

Sheeple {The Subjugated Masses} Group Think
-wrt- Workers & Serfs & Slaves
* Endure the Real Pain of the Suffering

All American Individualism Screams Out
Against {Foreign} Group Think :

America - "Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor,
http://www.libertystatepark.com/emma.htm
Your Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free,

America a Government :
Of the People {Not Sheeple and Not the Elitists},
By the People {Not Sheeple and Not the Elitists},
For the People {Not Sheeple and Not the Elitists},
Shall not Perish from the Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_Address

Prez Lincoln had it right and you are simply wrong ~ RHF
.

Day Brown

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Aug 8, 2010, 3:48:41 AM8/8/10
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On 08/07/2010 11:08 PM, RHF wrote:
> On Aug 7, 7:21 pm, Day Brown<dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 08/06/2010 08:16 PM, Chas. Chan wrote:> Elites may have more brilliance, but those who make decisions for
>>> society as a whole cannot possibly have as much experience as the
>>> millions of people whose decisions they preempt. The education and
>>> intellects of the elites may lead them to have more sweeping
>>> presumptions, but that just makes them more dangerous to the freedom,
>>> as well as the well-being, of the people as a whole.
>>
>> It dont work that way anymore. It turns out, the neurology shows that
>> you cant raise kids on sugar cereals, junk food, and soda and then
>> expect them to grow up to be rational voters. Just look at all the
>> lunacy here compared to the tiny amount of rational discourse.
>>
>> And this effects the elites as well.
>>
>> As a result, the corporate mass media prefers sensational stories that
>> build ratings and hence ad revenues rather than the dull analysis of
>> real statistical data showing what is going on.
>
> - The elites, the media, and the sheeple all suffer from group think.
>
> But these are three different groups - so . . .
>
> Elite {Elitists} Group Think
> -wrt- Czars& Kings,& Lords& Caliphs;
> Comrade Great Leaders& Commissars;
> Führers& Reichsfuhrers;

> Presidents-for-Life; etc
> * Impose the Suffering on the Masses
Let me put in what you clipped to make the point.

You are hard put to find a poster who admits there is a downside to
proposals, yet the rational mind always knows there aint no free lunch.

And in this case, without leadership we see anarchy. So, the suffering
is not caused by some power elite, but your neighbors. People who lack
the self control to govern themselves find someone else to do that for
them. Note all the leaders you refer to above are men.

Women tend to offer a lower cost of management cause they dont need to
support harems, and dont start wars to increase the size.

RHF

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Aug 8, 2010, 4:46:31 AM8/8/10
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On Aug 8, 12:48 am, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/07/2010 11:08 PM, RHF wrote:
>
> > On Aug 7, 7:21 pm, Day Brown<dayhbr...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On 08/06/2010 08:16 PM, Chas. Chan wrote:>  Elites may have more brilliance, but those who make decisions for
> >>> society as a whole cannot possibly have as much experience as the
> >>> millions of people whose decisions they preempt. The education and
> >>> intellects of the elites may lead them to have more sweeping
> >>> presumptions, but that just makes them more dangerous to the freedom,
> >>> as well as the well-being, of the people as a whole.
>
> >> It dont work that way anymore. It turns out, the neurology shows that
> >> you cant raise kids on sugar cereals, junk food, and soda and then
> >> expect them to grow up to be rational voters. Just look at all the
> >> lunacy here compared to the tiny amount of rational discourse.
>
> >> And this effects the elites as well.
>
> >> As a result, the corporate mass media prefers sensational stories that
> >> build ratings and hence ad revenues rather than the dull analysis of
> >> real statistical data showing what is going on.
>
> > - The elites, the media, and the sheeple all suffer from group think.
>
> > But these are three different groups - so . . .
>
- - Elite {Elitists} Group Think
- - -wrt- Czars &  Kings,&  Lords &  Caliphs;
- - Comrade Great Leaders &  Commissars;
- - Führers &  Reichsfuhrers;
- - Presidents-for-Life; etc
- - * Impose the Suffering on the Masses

>
> Let me put in what you clipped to make the point.
> You are hard put to find a poster who admits there is a downside to
> proposals, yet the rational mind always knows there aint no free lunch.

The Irrational Mind only seeks out more and more
Free-Obama-Money©

And with Free-Obama-Money© {Spend-&-Tax = Tax-&-Spend}

With Free-Obama-Money© {Prez Obama is able to
Give Everyone a Free-Obama-Lunch©

We Be Obama-Thinking© - - - Oh Never Mind ! ~ RHF

- And in this case, without leadership we see anarchy.

Yes Right Here in the Land of Prez Obama :
We Got Trouble and that's spelled A N A R C H Y !

- So, the suffering is not caused by some power elite,
- but your neighbors.

So then it is clear that Prez Obama Ain't In Charge.

And it is my 'nice' neighbors Fancy Nancy Pelosi
and Happy Harry Reid that are really at fault . . .

- People who lack the self control to govern themselves
- find someone else to do that for them.

but, but, but - Obama, Pelosi and Reid are in control
and can not self-control themselves and keep-on-and-on
spending spending spending and taxing taxing taxing.

- Note all the leaders you refer to above are men.

So -if- Hillary Clinton became the US President
she would have to become a Man ?

King = Lord of the Realm = can be a Queen too

Titles of Leadership may have an Implied Male
Gender -but- do not Imply the Leader is Exclusively
a Male : The Prime Minister of the UK was at
one time Margaret Thatcher and the Present Royal
Majesty of the UK is Queen Elisabeth II

- Women tend to offer a lower cost of management
- cause they don't need to support harems,

So Queen's etc don't have Stud Farms . . .
-or- an occasional boy-toy . . .

What Price Her Glory ?

- and dont start wars to increase the size.

Ah behind every War Mongering Man is a Secretly
Plotting Women . . . ready to take real power.
* Livia Drusilla
* Catherine de' Medici
* Queen Elisabeth I
* Catherine the Great
* Jiang Qing
.

dave

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How many milliseconds does it take for us to burn through $81k in
Southwest Asia with our Oil Wars?

Looking for logic is futile. Follow the insanity.

dave

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Aug 8, 2010, 9:52:29 AM8/8/10
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RHF wrote:

>
> All American Individualism Screams Out
> Against {Foreign} Group Think :
>
> America - "Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor,
> http://www.libertystatepark.com/emma.htm
> Your Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free,
>

Unless they are indigenous brown folks from the other side of a river.

dave

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Aug 8, 2010, 9:57:07 AM8/8/10
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Day Brown wrote:

>
> And in this case, without leadership we see anarchy.

An opportunity to birth a power trip ensues...

Joe from Kokomo

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Aug 8, 2010, 10:17:39 AM8/8/10
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> cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
>> http://www.devilfinder.com
>> GM Volt to sell for $41,000 Cost to build $81,000
>>
>> Our tax dollars at work.
>> cuhulin

On 8/8/2010 9:51 AM, dave wrote:

> How many milliseconds does it take for us to burn through $81k in
> Southwest Asia with our Oil Wars?

Recently published figure:

It costs the American taxpayer $1.2 million per year to support EACH
soldier in Afghanistan and Iraq.

With numbers like that, it's easy to see why Bush's phony wars have hit
the TRILLION dollar mark. :-(

Heck of a job, Georgie!

cuh...@webtv.net

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Aug 8, 2010, 10:59:22 AM8/8/10
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Pilot Jim Hill's Letter To Barbara Boxer.
http://www.rense.com/general91/pilot.htm

Chart and Compass come from thee,,, fear not, I will Pilot thee,,,,,
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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sillapond

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On 08/08/2010 12:48 AM, Day Brown wrote:
> Women tend to offer a lower cost of management cause they dont need to
> support harems, and dont start wars to increase the size.

The Falklands.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Aug 8, 2010, 1:59:39 PM8/8/10
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Wimmin are high maintnance items.
cuhulin

Day Brown

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Aug 8, 2010, 3:31:46 PM8/8/10
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The relevant diff for some few who remain rational despite the general
level of insanity, is to remember Smith & Wesson guarantee superior
rights to smart women.

During the breakdown, the thugs will hesitate to shoot that which they
hope to rape later, whereas these ladies wont.

Day Brown

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Aug 8, 2010, 3:33:08 PM8/8/10
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On 08/07/2010 11:08 PM, RHF wrote:
> America - "Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor,
> http://www.libertystatepark.com/emma.htm
> Your Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free,
Dont forget the small print:
"Offer good while supplies last."

Astro Dyne

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Aug 8, 2010, 3:41:42 PM8/8/10
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Still jamming your nose up the sphincters of everyone who threatens you,
eh? Poor little skidmark. Do you ever dream of people talking to you
like the adult you will never be?

'Shit happens'
---Traitorous 'Spammy' Sam's reply to the fact that 34 Americans
died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the USS Liberty.
Spammy is a gutless coward who has never served his country in
uniform.

sillapond

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Aug 8, 2010, 4:31:51 PM8/8/10
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On 08/08/2010 12:31 PM, Day Brown wrote:
> During the breakdown, the thugs will hesitate to shoot that which they
> hope to rape later, whereas these ladies wont.

Is this why the cops keep raiding you, nutter?

RHF

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Aug 8, 2010, 5:07:15 PM8/8/10
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On Aug 8, 6:51 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:

> cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> >http://www.devilfinder.com
> > GM Volt to sell for $41,000 Cost to build $81,000
>
> > Our tax dollars at work.
> > cuhulin
>
> How many milliseconds does it take for us to burn through $81k in
> Southwest Asia with our Oil Wars?

- Looking for logic is futile.
- Follow the insanity.

We are right behind you dave . . .

RHF

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Aug 8, 2010, 5:14:04 PM8/8/10
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On Aug 8, 6:52 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:

- - RHF wrote:
- -
- - All American Individualism Screams Out
- - Against {Foreign} Group Think :
- -
- - America - "Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor,
- - http://www.libertystatepark.com/emma.htm
- - Your Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free,
- -
- - Unless they are indigenous brown folks
- - from the other side of a river.

Dave the Statue of Liberty is the 'symbol' of American's
Open Door to Legal Emigration {Ellis Island}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Island

dave - try to think like an america who welcomes
legal immigration and not illegal invasion ~ RHF
.

RHF

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Aug 8, 2010, 5:35:39 PM8/8/10
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On Aug 8, 7:17 am, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net> wrote:

So then can we say that Prez Obama is continuing
former prez Bush's Phony Wars and Killing more and
more American Boys and Girls along with countless
Civilians; including Women and Children; in both Iraq
and Afghanistan.

Remember Afghanistan is Prez Obama's "Right War"
the Obama War of Choice to Wage War Against Islam
and Kill Muslims.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7e519672aeeace22
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f82939b98867500b
.
hey, Hey. HEY ! Prez O-Bomb-My-A :
How May America Boy & Girls Did You Kill Today ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/90a9cc3470e71352
* Obama-Regime's© Body Count Goes Up Day-by-Day
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/940bdc5a24b213a5
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c394de2082ee5508
.
Maybe US Senator John 'ff' Kerry [D-MA] should ask
Prez Obama nicely : "How Do You Ask a Man to be
the Last Man to Die for a Mistake ?"
-wrt- Prez Obama's Afghanistan War {The Right War}
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Kerry

Obama Regime = Crime Inc. = Nixon Regime
Obama-U-Nism© = Corruption = WaterGate
Obama Enemies List = Nixon Enemies List
The WikiLeaks Revelations = The Pentagon Papers
Obama Failed Presidency = Nixon Failed Presidency
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4160e4cfa792c15d
.
© Obama-U-Nism© There Is No Deception
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e39e54fe4774d794
.
One More Question . . .
Does Prez Obama Have Authority
To Assassinate Americans ? ? ?
http://deadlinelive.info/2010/07/20/does-the-president-have-authority...
.
Prez Obama's Enemies {List} -aka- Enemies of The State
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ff9e94175aee909a
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9043c2e41f850948
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/66bb9ca8c1476c1c
.
FOX News and it's Hosts are at the Top
of the Obama-Regime's Enemies List
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e2eab7c90c69125a
.
Expanding & Redefining The Obama-Enemies-List©
to All Anti-American Enemies-of-the-People :
Fox News & Republicans & Conservatives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/70e0ecd9724e72fc
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/93d01be08e600eaa
.
Expanding & Redefining The Obama-Enemies-List©
to More Anti-American Enemies-of-the-People
-add- the BIG Health Care Insurance Companies
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/066de831e7550495
.
Expanding & Redefining The Obama-Enemies-List©
of Anti-American Enemies-of-the-People
-add-one-more- Edmunds.Com
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/97757c61e50e0636
.
Glenn Beck deserves a Pulitzer Prize
for his Honest and Factual Reporting on
Prez Obama and the Obama-Regime©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/90b07fd6b6d43643
.
Think Green America : Recycle Prez Obama in 2012 !
Make It One Term Then Out for BHO !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d51f5253fd43263a
.
Hey Hey Hey President O-Bomb-My-A !
How Many American Families and Cops Did
You Let the Mexican Narco-Terrorists Kill Today ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bbe53cdfc1ca8f3a
.
Salon & MSNBC -revelations- Dozens of Americans
{US Citizens} May Be on Prez Obama's Assassination List
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6ef12daa895596d3
.
Praise Be The Obama ! - my prez-a-duntz ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K17kA50c1zs
All Hail to Our Lord and Savior Prez Obama !
http://votingfemale.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/obama-i-am-god.jpg
-for- all those unbelievers : the truth will set you free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
.
.
The Baracking© of Prez Obama and the Obama-Regime©
has begun : Bring-on the Ugly Dogs of Fear and Hate ! ~ RHF
-wrt- Baracking© - Shouting the Liberal Democrat Left's
Hateful and Divisive Rhetoric Back-In-Their-Face
.
.

FullName

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On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 14:35:39 -0700, RHF wrote:

> On Aug 8, 7:17 am, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net> wrote:
>> > cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>> >>http://www.devilfinder.com
>> >> GM Volt to sell for $41,000 Cost to build $81,000
>>
>> >> Our tax dollars at work.
>> >> cuhulin
>>
>> On 8/8/2010 9:51 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>> > How many milliseconds does it take for us to burn through $81k in
>> > Southwest Asia with our Oil Wars?
>>
>> Recently published figure:
>>
>> It costs the American taxpayer $1.2 million per year to support EACH
>> soldier in Afghanistan and Iraq.
>>
>> With numbers like that, it's easy to see why Bush's phony wars have hit
>> the TRILLION dollar mark.   :-(
>>
>> Heck of a job, Georgie!
>
> So then can we say that Prez Obama is continuing former prez Bush's
> Phony Wars and Killing more and more American Boys and Girls along with
> countless Civilians; including Women and Children; in both Iraq and
> Afghanistan.
>
> Remember Afghanistan is Prez Obama's "Right War" the Obama War of Choice
> to Wage War Against Islam and Kill Muslims.

idiot
The last active duty was handed over in Iraq today. Less solders are
dieing each day when compared to when the death monger GOP party was in
power. During the Bu$h presidencies, about 1 million Iraqis were killed
so Bu$h and his friends could get their oil. But according to a previous
post, you called this cut-n-run? Which way is it rightard?

sillapond

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Aug 8, 2010, 5:56:41 PM8/8/10
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On 08/08/2010 02:49 PM, FullName wrote:
> During the Bu$h presidencies, about 1 million Iraqis were killed

That is a complete LIE - turd.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Documented civilian deaths from violence

97,172 – 106,047

RHF

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Aug 8, 2010, 6:03:31 PM8/8/10
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On Aug 8, 12:31 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/08/2010 08:57 AM, dave wrote:> Day Brown wrote:
>
> >> And in this case, without leadership we see anarchy.
>
> > An opportunity to birth a power trip ensues...

- The relevant diff for some few who remain
- rational despite the general level of insanity,
- is to remember Smith & Wesson guarantee
- superior rights to smart women.
-
- During the breakdown, the thugs will hesitate
- to shoot that which they hope to rape later,
- whereas these ladies wont.

First : Assumes a Rational Male in an Irrational Situation.

What If the Lady comes up against a Psychotic Serial
Killer; Sexual Predator and a Necrophiliac . . .

Unless you walk around with a Loaded Gun in your
Hand at all times : The Attacker Will Surprise You
when you are un-armed.

Better the Women should Wear a Hair Pin and
practice using it on a Cantaloupe*
http://www.poetsdesign.com.sg/images/HAIR-PIN-TRIANGLE.jpg
Aim for the Eyes and Throat also the Groin Area.
http://www.ecvv.com/product/2130536.html
* Note - When she can smash the Cantaloupe
with 3~4 Strikes holding the Hair Pin point-down
in her hand like a Dagger she is ready.
http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/PHT/PHT185/hand-holding-knife_~PAA185000018.jpg
.
in a 'kill-or-be-killed' situation . . .
it is better to be prepared to be the killer ~ RHF
.
.

FullName

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Aug 8, 2010, 9:24:52 PM8/8/10
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Re-read what I said

Then understand....
There were 300k killed just in on attack by the first GH Bu$h war

http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/palin.htm

Joe from Kokomo

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Aug 8, 2010, 10:03:27 PM8/8/10
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> On Aug 8, 7:17 am, Joe from Kokomo<j...@indy.net> wrote:
>>> cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>> http://www.devilfinder.com GM Volt to sell for $41,000 Cost to
>>>> build $81,000
>>
>>>> Our tax dollars at work. cuhulin
>>
>> On 8/8/2010 9:51 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>>> How many milliseconds does it take for us to burn through $81k in
>>> Southwest Asia with our Oil Wars?
>>
>> Recently published figure:
>>
>> It costs the American taxpayer $1.2 million per year to support
>> EACH soldier in Afghanistan and Iraq.
>>
>> With numbers like that, it's easy to see why Bush's phony wars
>> have hit the TRILLION dollar mark. :-(
>>
>> Heck of a job, Georgie!

On 8/8/2010 5:35 PM, RHF wrote:

> So then can we say that Prez Obama is continuing former prez Bush's
> Phony Wars and Killing more and more American Boys and Girls along
> with countless Civilians; including Women and Children; in both Iraq
> and Afghanistan.

Sadly, yes, we can say that...
...but we are saying it because W had NO exit strategy during his terms,
there is STILL no exit strategy for Obama and if McCain were in office,
there would STILL be NO EXIT STRATEGY for McCain either. (and I'm sure a
responsible, fair and honest fellow like you would be calling it
"McCain's War").

FYI, "no exit strategy" means that if we stay, we kill "more and


more American Boys and Girls along with countless

Civilians" as you so eloquently put it.

If we leave, the power vacuum will re-ignite the centuries old tribal
war between the Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis, probably with Iran jumping
into the fray too. If we are lucky, this will only lead to $10 a gallon
gas; if we are unlucky...Armageddon. We are walking a very, very fine
line...and I hope this helps you realize why
Obama (or McCain or whoever) is trapped.

Sadly, stay or go, W painted us into a corner -- and don't try and deny
it. Bush Senior himself said so in his book when he stated that he
didn't go into Baghdad during the first Gulf War because (are you
ready?), he said there was NO EXIT STRATEGY. Too bad W didn't have the
brains of his old man. :-(

cuh...@webtv.net

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Faggot Obama Could Suck the Chrome Off A Trailer Hitch
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=293940

Is that the October Supprise?
cuhulin

RHF

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Aug 9, 2010, 2:46:33 AM8/9/10
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On Aug 8, 7:03 pm, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net> wrote:
> > On Aug 8, 7:17 am, Joe from Kokomo<j...@indy.net>  wrote:
> >>> cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>>>http://www.devilfinder.comGM Volt to sell for $41,000 Cost to

So is Prez Obama has an Exit Strategy ?
YEAH - Win or Lose the USA Leaves on this Date [.]
There goes Prez Obama -exiting- Stage Left . . .

Maybe US Senator John 'ff' Kerry [D-MA] should ask
Prez Obama nicely : "How Do You Ask a Man to be

the Last Man to Die for a {Your} Mistake ?"


-wrt- Prez Obama's Afghanistan War {The Right War}
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Kerry

.
hey, Hey. HEY ! Prez O-Bomb-My-A :
How May America Boy & Girls Did You Kill Today ?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/645660896996a0b1
* Remember Afghanistan is Prez Obama's "Right War"
Prez Obama's War of 'Choice' to Wage War Against
Islam and Kill Muslims.
.
.

RHF

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FullName.

Like the 'copy' of the : dumb, Dumb. DUMB RHF !
-signature-style-line- :o) ~ RHF
.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
.
fullname, FullName. FULLNAME !
-agh- I can't resist : you made it to easy
foolname, FoolName. FOOLNAME !
tdmmdi ~ RHF


.
The Baracking© of Prez Obama and the Obama-Regime©
has begun : Bring-on the Ugly Dogs of Fear and Hate ! ~ RHF
-wrt- Baracking© - Shouting the Liberal Democrat Left's
Hateful and Divisive Rhetoric Back-In-Their-Face
.

Maybe US Senator John 'ff' Kerry [D-MA] should ask


Prez Obama nicely : "How Do You Ask a Man to be

the Last Man to Die for a {Your} Mistake ?"


-wrt- Prez Obama's Afghanistan War {The Right War}
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Kerry

.
hey, Hey. HEY ! Prez O-Bomb-My-A :
How May America Boy & Girls Did You Kill Today ?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/645660896996a0b1
* Remember Afghanistan is Prez Obama's "Right War"
Prez Obama's War of 'Choice' to Wage War Against
Islam and Kill Muslims.
.
Think Green America : STOP the Obama-Bush Wars


Recycle Prez Obama in 2012 !

Make Obama One-Term Then Out : Say NO to War !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d51f5253fd43263a
.
.

RHF

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Aug 9, 2010, 3:02:34 AM8/9/10
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> http://www.planetdan.ten/pics/misc/palin.htm

FullName,


.
The Baracking© of Prez Obama and the Obama-Regime©
has begun : Bring-on the Ugly Dogs of Fear and Hate ! ~ RHF
-wrt- Baracking© - Shouting the Liberal Democrat Left's

Hateful and Divisive Rhetoric Back-In-Their-Face - YEAH !


.
Maybe US Senator John 'ff' Kerry [D-MA] should ask
Prez Obama nicely : "How Do You Ask a Man to be

the Last Man to Die for a {Obama's} Mistake ?"


-wrt- Prez Obama's Afghanistan War {The Right War}
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Kerry

.
hey, Hey. HEY ! Prez O-Bomb-My-A :
How May America Boy & Girls Did You Kill Today ?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/645660896996a0b1
* Remember Afghanistan is Prez Obama's "Right War"
Prez Obama's War of 'Choice' to Wage War Against
Islam and Kill Muslims.
.
Think Green America :
STOP the Obama {Bush} Wars of Aggression for Oil


Recycle Prez Obama in 2012 !

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d51f5253fd43263a
Change History and Make Obama One-Term Then Out :
Say NO to War ! - Give the World Hope {Peace}
-now-that-is- Real Hope and Change ~ RHF
.
.

dave

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Aug 9, 2010, 4:13:54 PM8/9/10
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RHF wrote:

>
> Dave the Statue of Liberty is the 'symbol' of American's
> Open Door to Legal Emigration {Ellis Island}
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Island
>
> dave - try to think like an america who welcomes
> legal immigration and not illegal invasion ~ RHF
> .

The Indians were here first. Maybe we should ask them if the Mexicans
are "illegal" and whether the spawn of Europeans have any right to
decide who gets to stay.

Beam Me Up Scotty

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Aug 9, 2010, 3:30:11 PM8/9/10
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I was born here by what you call an illegal, so I'm a citizen anchor
baby, and have the same rights as any Indians. I also have as much
"say" as any Indian.


cuh...@webtv.net

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Aug 9, 2010, 4:00:57 PM8/9/10
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About half a dozen new articles at http://www.rense.com
(Headline News Stories 24/7)

Matt Simmons dead? drowned in a hot tub?
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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Aug 9, 2010, 5:17:04 PM8/9/10
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Pelosi Raiding Treasury for democrap Election Funds!! 26 Billion
Dollars!!!
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=293964
cuhulin

RHF

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Aug 10, 2010, 9:37:08 AM8/10/10
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On Aug 9, 1:13 pm, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
- - RHF wrote:
- - Dave the Statue of Liberty is the 'symbol' of American's
- - Open Door to Legal Emigration {Ellis Island}
- - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
- - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Island
- -
- - dave - try to think like an america who welcomes
- - legal immigration and not illegal invasion ~ RHF
- - .

- The Indians were here first.

Scientists theorize that the so called present day
Native Americans {Indians} are the blended remnants
of three large Migrations two from Asia and one from
Europe.

Three Major Pre-Columbian Migrations into North
American Two from Asia and one from Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_era

The first migration from asia was from ancestors
of the Ainu people now in northern Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people
http://news.softpedia.com/news/9-Amazing-Things-About-the-Ainu-People-79277.shtml

-note- the Land-Bridge theory is countered by
the Coastal Migration theory resulting from
the Ice Ages & Lower Sea Levels & Exposed
Coastlines for travel by shore and boat.
.
- Maybe we should ask them if the Mexicans are "illegal"

The so-called Mexicans* of today are a blend of
Native Americanos {Indios} that lived in Mexico
and Europeans that Invaded and Conquered them.
Hence the term "La Raza" [The Race]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/67944feca6b71376
* Note - The Mexican National Identity is Not
European and Not Native People [Indian] :
It is Blended, a Mixture, of the two a National
Transformational Identity as a 'new' People of
the Americas "Mexicanos".

Illegal Foreign Alien Invaders !
-aka- Conquistadors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquistador

-note- the Aztec were themselves earlier Illegal Foreign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec
Alien Invaders of Mexico and supposedly had come
from "Aztlan" a mythical land of the north.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlan
The Aztec were either forced by natural circumstances
and weather conditions to wander away from Aztlan;
or forced {war} by other early native people to leave Aztlan.
{ They Left and Abandoned Aztlan long before Europeans
came to the New World. }

FWIW - Who was here before the Maya and where the
Maya came from is unknown and a matter of speculation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization

- and whether the spawn of Europeans have
- any right to decide who gets to stay.

Dave - Americans {USAians} are more then
just the 'spawn' of Europeans :
Dave aren't African-Americans Americans {USAians}
Dave aren't Asian-Americans Americans {USAians}
Dave aren't Desi-Americans Americans {USAians}

Dave being an American {USAian} is more about
three things : Borders & Language & Culture
1 - Reside in the USA
2 - Speak English
3 - Live the American Centric Culture Daily and
Adapt to "Being" an American; while retaining
elements of your former ethnic culture and family
ancestry. (o: Welcome To America :o)

Point-of-Fact : The History of Humanity is a
History of Constant Migration and Re-Migration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwblvqir-s
.
dave, Dave. DAVE ! ? Emperor ? -nah-
Just an American that is Proud to Say :
"I Am An American" and God Bless the USA
and All Americans.
.
Dave you are such a little 'norton' -wrt-
"Emperor of these United States"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton
-and- "Protector of Mexico"*
.
Hey may be Prez Obama should add these two
to his 'resume' along with President {Citizen} of
the World. POTUS & EOTUS & POM + P/COTW

* -cause- Prez Obama is doing a real good job
of Protecting Un-Documented Mexicans in the
USA from American Laws.

* * * Back to where we started Dave * * *

Dave the Statue of Liberty is the 'symbol' of American's
Open Door to Legal Emigration {Ellis Island}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Island

dave - try to think like an america who welcomes
legal immigration and not illegal invasion ~ RHF
.

.

dave

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> Dave being an American {USAian} is more about
> three things : Borders& Language& Culture

> 1 - Reside in the USA
> 2 - Speak English
> 3 - Live the American Centric Culture Daily and
> Adapt to "Being" an American; while retaining
> elements of your former ethnic culture and family
> ancestry. (o: Welcome To America :o)

...and frying entire families by remote control.

My family ancestors killed Indians.

I get all the "welcome" I need when the toilet flushes.

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dave

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Bob Dobbs wrote:

> dave wrote:
>>
>> My family ancestors killed Indians.
>>
>> I get all the "welcome" I need when the toilet flushes.
>
> I suppose I've inherited some of the blame from my ancestors who lacked the
> prescience back at Plymouth Rock to burn those arriving boats to the waterline
> and drown any swimmers, otherwise it'd be a different country today.
>

My people came ashore in Jamestown. We "displaced" your ancestors' cousins.

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cuh...@webtv.net

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You steer a Ship made of wood around in/on those rocks at Plymouth Rock
and see what happens!
At first, the Pilgrims lived in some Tee Pees/WigWams, untill they built
some Log Cabins.
cuhulin

m II

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Aug 10, 2010, 11:25:16 PM8/10/10
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dxAce wrote:

> Well, the poor, (I'm one of them) pay no income tax, so therefore the money
> that keeps things running comes from somewhere.

============================================================
But hey, I made $14,000 trading oil today.. blow me

Funny how the US Govt. sent me over $50,000 last year

LMFAO as I sit and look at my royalty cheques...

I prefer genuine ROLEX!
=============================================================


mike

dxAce

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m II wrote:

Life really sucks up in CanaDuh, eh?


dave

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> But not before they stuffed their guts with free turkey 'n trimmings.
>


Did that really happen? We arrived in 1609. And then more in 1657 in
Stafford.

dave

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Perhaps we should tax businesses.

m II

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dave wrote:


Perhaps we should tax liars who make thousands of undeclared dollars
while collecting welfare in Holland Michigan.

mike

dxAce

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m II wrote:

Undeclared?

Welfare?

And what's this 'we' shit, boy?


RHF

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Mike [M II],

Perhaps we should Tax Canadians for Commenting on
the USA and Tax Canadians again for Bad-Mouthing
Americans . . .

Mike [M II] - I am getting to understand your area of
personal Expertise : Taxes; Liars; Undeclared Income;
and Collecting Welfare : Clearly Built-on Living-It and
Learning-It Day-by-Day.

Mike [M II] - Just may be as a Canadian you should
stick to All-Things-Canada : Be they Good or Bad.
.
Once again Mike [M II]
Here are are a few Canadian websites so that you
can get in-touch with your Inner-Canadian :o)

* eCanada Now .Com
http://www.ecanadanow.com/

* The Canadian Sentinel
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/

* The "Conspiracy Cafe" -host- George Freund
http://www.thatchannel.com/conspiracycafe
http://thatradio.podhoster.com/index.php?sid=1746

mikey - let this be a teachable moment for you . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLY7yI1xV-M
Be Happy To Be A Canadian and Rejoice In It !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2D6eter7M
God {Allah} Bless Canada and All Canadians - Amen

peace-and-love {pal} from your american cousins ~ RHF
.
.

RHF

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Aug 12, 2010, 4:41:23 AM8/12/10
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> * The Canadian Sentinelhttp://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/
>
> * The "Conspiracy Cafe" -host- George Freundhttp://www.thatchannel.com/conspiracycafehttp://thatradio.podhoster.com/index.php?sid=1746
>
> mikey - let this be a teachable moment for you . . .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLY7yI1xV-M
> Be Happy To Be A Canadian and Rejoice In It !http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2D6eter7M

> God {Allah} Bless Canada and All Canadians - Amen
>
> peace-and-love {pal} from your american cousins ~ RHF
>  .
>  .

Mike - Here is a fellowette Canadian Singing It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a37bBm8pXSk
-ps- There is NO 'Sin' in being a Canadian, Mike.

pal ~ RHF
.

Chas. Chan

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On Aug 7, 9:33 am, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:16:04 -0700 (PDT), "Chas. Chan"
>
> <tianmei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2010/07/27/how_smart_are_we
> >http://www.tsowell.com
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHa
>
> "TownHall"
>
> "Sowell"?
>
> Those are the two looniest rightwing places on earth
>

Thomas Sowell

EDUCATION:
Ph.D. in Economics, University of Chicago, 1968
A.M. in Economics, Columbia University, 1959
A.B. in Economics, magna cum laude, Harvard College, 1958

EXPERIENCE:
Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, September 1980
- present
Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., July 1974 - June 1980
Visiting Professor of Economics, Amherst College, September- December
1977
Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, April- August 1977
Fellow, Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, July
1976 - March 1977
Project Director, The Urban Institute, August 1972 - July 1974
Associate Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., September 1970 - June
1972
Associate Professor of Economics, Brandeis University, September 1969
- June 1970
Assistant Professor of Economics, Cornell University, September 1965 -
June 1969
Economic Analyst, American Telephone & TelegraphCo., June 1964 -
August 1965
Lecturer in Economics, Howard University, September 1963 - June 1964
Instructor in Economics, Douglass College, Rutgers University,
September 1962 - June 1963
Labor Economist, U.S. Department of Labor, June 1961 - August 1962

PRINCIPAL PUBLICATIONS:
Intellectuals and Society (Basic Books, 2009)
On Classical Economics (Yale University Press, 2006)
Black Rednecks and White Liberals (Encounter Books, 2005)
The Quest for Cosmic Justice (Free Press,1999)
Conquests and Cultures (Basic Books, 1998)
Migrations and Cultures (Basic Books, 1996)
The Vision of the Anointed (Basic Books, 1995)
Race and Culture: A World View ( Basic Books,1994 )
A Conflict of Visions (William Morrow, 1987)
Ethnic America (Basic Books, 1981)
Knowledge and Decisions (Basic Books, 1980)
Say's Law: An Historical Analysis (Princeton University Press, 1972)

http://www.tsowell.com/cv.html

Yeap, Thomas Sowell is a loonie alRight.
He wipes his arsh with 0baMa0's two books Audacity of Hope & Change We
Can Believe In.- bwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

cuh...@webtv.net

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Living in Canada? Ask the Trailer Park Boys in Halifax about that.
http://www.trailerparkboys.com

T101 channel, channel 239.Only on DirecTV.Comes on DirecTV tonight at
10:00 PM.
''Where in the F..k is Oscar Goldman? & Halloween 1977'' Rob Wells.2
back-to back episodes: Trinity is having trouble at school.Lahey tells
the boys he's been spying on their criminal escapades and has it all on
video.Only on DIRECTV.

I get that channel.
cuhulin

RHF

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Aug 13, 2010, 9:38:38 AM8/13/10
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On Aug 10, 6:25 pm, Bob Dobbs <chupaca...@operamail.com> wrote:

> dave wrote:
>
> >My family ancestors killed Indians.
>
> >I get all the "welcome" I need when the toilet flushes.
>
> I suppose I've inherited some of the blame from my ancestors who lacked the
> prescience back at Plymouth Rock to burn those arriving boats to the waterline
> and drown any swimmers, otherwise it'd be a different country today.
>
> --
>
> Operator Bob
> Echo Charlie 42

So you would be a "Hawkeye"
-a-la- J. Carrol Naish
-wrt- "Guestward Ho!" -circa- 1960
http://sharetv.org/shows/guestward_ho
.

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RHF

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On Aug 8, 11:46 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:

Hey - Nobel Peace Price Winner Prez Obama
Give Peace A Chance : Stop Your Afghan War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AtP1JGNl7A

Afghan War U.S. Fatalities to July 2010
http://www.icasualties.org/oef/

2009 Nobel Peace Prize* Concert for Pres Obama
http://nobelpeaceprize.org/concert/index.php
* Maybe Prez Obama needs to give that Peace
Prise Back since he has turned out to be such
an Global War Monger in Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://nobelpeaceprize.org/
That Night the World Sung Obama's Praises;
but now they know the Truth . . . "War Monger"
http://www.examiner.com/michelle-obama-in-national/obama-nobel-peace-prize-concert-oslo-video
? How Come No One Sung : "All We Are Saying
Give Peace a Chance" in 2009 to Prez Obama ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize_Concert#2009
Think About It Prez Obama . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPXwfObc98k
Where are the Anti-War Protesters now that
Prez Obama has Expanded former prez Bush's
War in Afghanistan [silently] -m-i-a-

And the Body Count from Prez Obama's
'Right-War' keeps growing daily . . .
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/war.casualties/index.html

War in Afghanistan (Bush to Obama)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._invasion_of_Afghanistan

Civilian Victims of the Afghanistan War
Latest 10 Slain Aid Workers
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/scenes-from-a-memorial-service-for-slain-aid-workers/

US Afghan War Dead Climbs...
http://www.9and10news.com/Category/Story/?id=245495&cID=3

More and More Afghan Civilians Dying ad
Prez Obama Expands 'The Right War'
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/11/world/la-fg-0811-afghan-civilians-20100811

Prez Obama ‘Lost’ the Afghanistan War :
Americans See Reality and Start Talking
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/10/we-lost-the-afghanistan-war-see-reality-and-start-talking/

-cause- Obama is an Evil War Monger like Bush
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Obama-Troop-Incease-in-Afghanistan-276x320.jpg
.
prez obama - please give peace a chance - pal ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-NRriHlLUk
.
- So is Prez Obama has an Exit Strategy ?
- YEAH - Win or Lose the USA Leaves on this Date [.]
- There goes Prez Obama -exiting- Stage Left . . .
-
- Maybe US Senator John 'ff' Kerry [D-MA] should ask
- Prez Obama nicely : "How Do You Ask a Man to be
- the Last Man to Die for a {Your} Mistake ?"
- -wrt- Prez Obama's Afghanistan War {The Right War}
- http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Kerry
-  .
- hey, Hey. HEY ! Prez O-Bomb-My-A :
- How May America Boy & Girls Did You Kill Today ?
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/645660896996a0b1
- * Remember Afghanistan is Prez Obama's "Right War"
- Prez Obama's War of 'Choice' to Wage War Against
- Islam and Kill Muslims.
-  .
-  .

cuh...@webtv.net

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Acrylic Plastics at 4185 Highway 80 deserves the Stupid nobel prize.That
place is about one mile West of doggy's couch.I just now got back home
from there.Those sapsuckers are CLOSED on Fridays! Screw that!

What it is, I need to replace three broken/cracked one foot by nine and
three eights inches wide glass window panes in a window on one side of
my house and I want to use rigid plastic instead of glass.
I already have a long piece of one quarter inch by nine inches wide of
rigid plastic but it is too narrow.
cuhulin

dave

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Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT), "Chas. Chan"
> <tianm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeap, Thomas Sowell is a loonie alRight.
>
> There's a lot of names for what he "is"
>
> Mostly related to a intellectual whore who, by virtue of advantage of
> programs and work done by liberals and progressives, made his life
> possible
>
He comes across as a much nicer guy on the radio or TV. His writing is
kinda dogmatic.
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RHF

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On Aug 13, 10:55 am, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:08:10 -0800, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> >Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT), "Chas. Chan"
> >> <tianmei...@gmail.com>  wrote:

>
> >>> Yeap, Thomas Sowell is a loonie alRight.
>
> >> There's a lot of names for what he "is"
>
> >> Mostly related to a intellectual whore who, by virtue of advantage of
> >> programs and work done by liberals and progressives, made his life
> >> possible
>
- - He comes across as a much nicer guy on
- - the radio or TV.  His writing is kinda dogmatic.

- I'm sure he is a "nice guy"
-
- But he's paid to write against the best intrests
- of his own race, against the intrests of the
- American people below the wealth level of
- the rich and corporate class

obi,,, Obi... OBI ! ! !

Ah another Liberal Democrat Shill touting the Democrat
Party of the USA party-line that All African-Americans :
Must Think Alike and Vote Democrat -or- They Are Sell
Outs To Their Race.

? Are Not African-Americans also Americans and a vital
integral part of the great mass of American People Too ?

So African-Americans can not be Wealthy and
Rich; and Think Like Wealthy Rich People Do . . .
* Do Judge a Wealthy and Rich Person by the
Color of Their Skin; but by the 'Content' of their
Wealth and Riches ! -a-la- MLKjr
? Are Not the Wealthy and Rich also Americans and
a vital integral part of the great mass of the American
People Too ?

So African-Americans can not be Leaders and
Members of the Corporate Class; and Think Like
Corporate Class People Do . . .
* Do Judge the Corporate Class Persons by the
Color of Their Skin; but by the 'Content' of their
Corporate Status ! -a-la- MLKjr
? Is Not the Corporate Class also Americans and a vital
integral part of the great mass of the American People Too ?

So African-Americans can not be Leaders and
Members of the Educated Elite; and Think Like
Educated Elite People Do . . .
* Do Judge the Educated Elite Persons by the
Color of Their Skin; but by the 'Content' of their
Educated Elite Status ! -a-la- MLKjr
? Are Not the Educated Elite also Americans and a vital
integral part of the great mass of the American People Too ?

But you will let African-Americans to be Poor, Un-Educated,
Unemployed and Hopeless Trapped in the Social Economic
Under-Class : So that African-Americans can be used as a
"Class Warfare" Group can be Exploited by the Democrat Party
of the USA for Political Power -wrt- The Ends Justify The Means.

So the Democrat Party of the USA Demands Strict
Adherence to Racial Unitary Thinking for All African-
Americans -else- They Be Branded as Race Traitors.

obi... keep preaching that democrat party class
warfare hatred and demand for racial unitary thinking
-cause- it is so transparently elitist and racist ~ RHF
.
.

RHF

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On Aug 13, 11:49 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Aug 13, 10:55 am, Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:08:10 -0800, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> > >Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT), "Chas. Chan"
> > >> <tianmei...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>> Yeap, Thomas Sowell is a loonie alRight.
>
> > >> There's a lot of names for what he "is"
>
> > >> Mostly related to a intellectual whore who, by virtue of advantage of
> > >> programs and work done by liberals and progressives, made his life
> > >> possible
>
> - - He comes across as a much nicer guy on
> - - the radio or TV.  His writing is kinda dogmatic.
>
> - I'm sure he is a "nice guy"
> -
> - But he's paid to write against the best intrests
> - of his own race, against the intrests of the
> - American people below the wealth level of
> - the rich and corporate class
>
- obi,,, Obi... OBI ! ! !
-
- Ah another Liberal Democrat Shill touting the Democrat
- Party of the USA party-line that All African-Americans :
- Must Think Alike and Vote Democrat -or- They Are Sell
- Outs To Their Race.
-
- ? Are Not African-Americans also Americans and a vital
- integral part of the great mass of American People Too ?
-
- So African-Americans can not be Wealthy and
- Rich; and Think Like Wealthy Rich People Do . . .
* Do Not Judge a Wealthy and Rich Person by the

Color of Their Skin; but by the 'Content' of their
Wealth and Riches ! -a-la- MLKjr
- ? Are Not the Wealthy and Rich also Americans and
- a vital integral part of the great mass of the American
- People Too ?
-
- So African-Americans can not be Leaders and
- Members of the Corporate Class; and Think Like
- Corporate Class People Do . . .
* Do Not Judge the Corporate Class Persons by the

Color of Their Skin; but by the 'Content' of their
Corporate Status ! -a-la- MLKjr
- ? Is Not the Corporate Class also Americans and a vital
- integral part of the great mass of the American People Too ?
-
- So African-Americans can not be Leaders and
- Members of the Educated Elite; and Think Like
- Educated Elite People Do . . .
* Do Not Judge the Educated Elite Persons by the

Color of Their Skin; but by the 'Content' of their
Educated Elite Status ! -a-la- MLKjr
- ? Are Not the Educated Elite also Americans and a vital
- integral part of the great mass of the American People Too ?
-
- But you will let African-Americans to be Poor, Un-Educated,
- Unemployed and Hopeless Trapped in the Social Economic
- Under-Class : So that African-Americans can be used as a
- "Class Warfare" Group can be Exploited by the Democrat Party
- of the USA for Political Power -wrt- The Ends Justify The Means.
-
- So the Democrat Party of the USA Demands Strict
- Adherence to Racial Unitary Thinking for All African-
- Americans -else- They Be Branded as Race Traitors.
-
- obi... keep preaching that democrat party class
- warfare hatred and demand for racial unitary thinking
- -cause- it is so transparently elitist and racist ~ RHF
-  .
-  .
Added 3 Missing "Not"s ~ RHF
.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Slain Police Officer Honored.
http://www.clarionledger.com

WLBT 4:00 PM tv news lady said LEOs came from as far away as Chicago, to
Honor Glen Agee.

It's raining cats and dogs right now.Meterologist Barbie Bassett said
she considered putting the sunroof up just a little bit.She would have
sat down on a wet seat in her car too.
Fishermans Luck, wet butt and a hungry gut.
http://www.barbiebassett.com
cuhulin

dave

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Obi...@Dicta.net wrote:

>
> But he's paid to write against the best intrests of his own race,
> against the intrests of the American people below the wealth level of


> the rich and corporate class
>

Well DUH!

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