Proof by LORD Almighty GOD: the deepening despair of non-christians
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0b616720f120fe29?
Suggested reading as an aid to understanding what you are witnessing:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
The Official SMC FAQ List:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth/FAQ
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
- - -
For all of the God, Lord, almighty, Jesus, Christ,
angels, spirits, demons, devil, satan, prophets,
heavens, hells, and other assertions of activities,
demands, expectations, requirements, deeds,
beliefs, magic places, magic beings, and other
perspectives in the christian bible ...
If you accepted the position of disbelievers that
all of that was mythical, rather than reality at play,
would the christian bible then become loaded
with passages like the following?
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Genesis 1:1 In the [supposed] beginning, ___
created the ____ and the earth.
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Beginning? What beginning and by what know-
ledge is the writer asserting these things? Who
is the writer?
Once you enter the doubt/disbelief realm, the
ancient writings take on an entirely different
characteristic than they do when encapsulated
and surrounded with the pretense that they're
actualized communication between some other-
world and this one.
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You should always ask yourself:
1) Who is speaking, and why should we believe
him/her/them?
2) Motivation, what was it for the writer(s) of the
scripts at issue?
3) Claims, do claims a verity make?
4) Superstition, is humankind well-served to follow
superstition in the modern day?
5) Persons speaking as if they speak for a God, in
times past -and- in times present, what differen-
tiates the veritable God-claimants from the un-
veritable ones? In other words, if all every single
God claimant has going for him/her is claim, why
believe *any* God claim?
6) What's the logic in a God who asks you to harm
your fellow humans, a God who harms your fellow
humans, and a God who asks you to save your
fellow humans from a God devoted to harming
your fellow humans if they don't jump through
the claimed 'right' hoops?
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~~~
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~~~
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/82d3246fbd6b4ab9?
>
>For all of the God, Lord, almighty, Jesus, Christ,
>angels, spirits, demons, devil, satan, prophets,
>heavens, hells, and other assertions of activities,
>demands, expectations, requirements, deeds,
>beliefs, magic places, magic beings, and other
>perspectives in the christian bible ...
>
>If you accepted the position of disbelievers that
>all of that was mythical, rather than reality at play,
>would the christian bible then become loaded
>with passages like the following?
There really is no need to rewrite the Bible.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Bottomline
Truth is simple :-)
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
http://EmoryCardiologist.com
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement:
>
>
> Suggested reading as an aid to understanding what you are witnessing:
--
David Silverman
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Defender of Civilisation
if a tree falls in the woods, what are the odds it will land in some bear
shit ?
Not authentic without this signature.
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
http://www.active.com/results/display_html.cfm?CHECKSSO=0&RESET=0&RESULTS_FILE=1197531_20051101025830.htm
>
> Truth is simple :-)
panam...@hotmail.com
> It is an ancient "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WIJ.com>, and he
> posteth:
>
> http://www.active.com/results/display_html.cfm?CHECKSSO=0&RESET=0&RES...
Maybe he'd do better if he ate more often. Or maybe he's been up all
night diddling the bored fat chicks at his diet guru seminars.
> > Truth is simple :-)
>
> http://www.quackwatch.com
Indeed.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
.
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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There were a total of -10- questions in the previous
post. You answered -0- of them. Try again:
- - -
For all of the God, Lord, almighty, Jesus, Christ,
angels, spirits, demons, devil, satan, prophets,
heavens, hells, and other assertions of activities,
demands, expectations, requirements, deeds,
beliefs, magic places, magic beings, and other
perspectives in the christian bible ...
If you accepted the position of disbelievers that
all of that was mythical, rather than reality at play,
would the christian bible then become loaded
with passages like the following?
- - -
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> There were a total of -10- questions in the previous
> post. You answered -0- of them. Try again:
Not even an infinite number of answers to an infinite number of
questions is going to help you publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
Bottom line concerning you and other non-christians:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Bottomline
Truth is simple.
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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(Top Posts - Social/Legal - 010105)
Believe it or not, in the following article, some religious
followers (a Jewish Rabbi and a Christian) have stated
that God did it to spite the world (Jewish Rabbi's view)
or to spite non-Christians (view of a Christian).
Some Hindu organizations view it as God's retribution
for the arrest of a Hindu leader.
A Muslim views it as a test of faith.
Others (like some Buddhists) view the event as natur-
alistic.
A Lutheran Christian offers distance from trying to asso-
ciate the act with God being causal in any discernable
way, while at the same time asserting that "God, some-
how, is a presence in all of this."
---
Seeking the Hand of God in the Waters
By Jose Antonio Vargas
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 31, 2004; Page C01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37677-2004Dec30.html
---
Complete article:
Let's turn to history.
The date: Nov. 1, 1755.
The time: past 9 a.m. on All Saints' Day, a Catholic
holiday.
The scene: Lisbon, the devoutly Catholic capital
of the devoutly Catholic Portuguese empire, shook
-- first a big earthquake, then a big tsunami, then
a big fire.
More than 100,000 people died.
The pious ones of the 18th century, clinging to their
merciful and omniscient and just God, asked in awe:
Was He angry? Was this His will? Was this His reac-
tion to an ill, sinful world?
Three centuries pass and here we are. In a world of
Muslims and Christians and Jews and Hindus and
Buddhists, with the disaster in South Asia so far claim-
ing more than 110,000 lives -- many of them children --
folks all over the world, in all places of worship, are
pondering similar questions.
On the Web site IslamOnline.net, someone from Bel-
gium asked the geologist Zaghloul el Naggar: "Is there
any religious meaning that we can take from a country
being affected by tidal waves? Is this a punishment
from Allah to these people? Or is it a test? How do we
know when a form of natural disaster or phenomenon
is a test or a form of punishment from Allah to the
people?"
Shlomo Amar, Israel's Sephardi chief rabbi, has said,
"This is an expression of God's great ire with the world.
The world is being punished for wrongdoing -- be it
people's needless hatred of each other, lack of char-
ity, moral turpitude."
Some organizations in India say the tsunami is "divine
retribution" for the arrest of Jayendra Saraswati, a Hindu
religious leader.
Since Sunday, those of different faiths have sought
their own meaning, and some kind of explanation, for
such a massive loss of life.
On his Web site Watch.org, Bill Koenig writes: "The
Biblical proportions of this disaster become clearly
apparent upon reports of miraculous Christian sur-
vival.
Christian persecution in these countries is some of
the worst in the world." Eight of the 12 countries hit
-- Malaysia, Burma, Bangladesh, Somalia, Maldives,
Sri Lanka, India and Indonesia, he says -- "are among
the top 50 nations who persecute Christians."
Koenig, who lives in Alexandria and started the site
in 1996, sees the South Asian disaster as an example
of Christian exceptionalism. "What happened, and we
see this happen over and over again, was that Chris-
tians, supernaturally, have been able to escape from
harm's way," says the self-described Christian funda-
mentalist. "
'For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not
been since the beginning of the world until this time, no,
not ever shall be,' " he says, quoting from Matthew 24:21.
Mahdi Bray, a Muslim cleric, is the executive director
of the Freedom Foundation, a public affairs arm of the
Muslim American Society, a national grass-roots reli-
gious, social and educational organization based in
Washington. He quotes the Bible, too, a psalm which
says, "Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh
in the morning." There is a similar passage in the Koran,
he adds, "Verily with every difficulty there is relief."
"This is a test" of people's faith, he says again and again.
Sutadhara Tapovanaye, a Buddhist monk for 38 of his
48 years, tries to explain it differently. This, he says, is
a part of life, the dynamics of nature, an always-changing
world.
On Wednesday night, in a tearful memorial service at the
Sri Lankan Embassy, he was asked to say a few words.
"It was difficult," he remembers.
He arrived in the District two months ago for a year-long
sabbatical at the Washington Buddhist Vihara Society.
"According to Buddhist explanations, life is very short,"
says the linguistics teacher at Kelaniya University in Sri
Lanka. "It is like a dream, but I never expected a night-
mare like this.
"Now, in Sri Lanka, human bodies are piling up and with
no identities. Nobody can recognize bodies as a part of
any ethnic group or religious identification. Just human
bodies. The medical workers give a number for each
body," he says. "That means, we have to think about
this death as inevitable, but at the same time, we have
to rethink about life. Though we have different barriers
-- man-made barriers, actually -- the reality is beyond
that."
Martin E. Marty, professor emeritus of religious history
at the University of Chicago, has written his 55th book,
"When Faiths Collide," which he says should land in
bookstores this week.
He's been an ordained Lutheran minister since 1952.
"It's only natural to repose yourself in the will of God,"
he says. "If you're a believer, then you must believe
that God, somehow, is a presence in all of this. But
God didn't tell anybody that you go through life with-
out disasters."
Still, talk of religion's role in the disaster irks Marty.
Following the devastation in Lisbon in 1755, priests
roamed the streets, hanging those they believed
had incurred God's wrath. That event "shook the
modern world," he notes, changing people's idea
of a benevolent, all-caring God.
"In each act of nature -- your insurance calls it an
act of God -- when people are precise in knowing
that this is God's will, they're creating great trouble
for themselves and others. You have to say that
God is playing favorites. You're thinking, 'If I were
spared this time, then when disaster comes next
time, I'd have to blame it on God.' "
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>Believe it or not, in the following article, some religious
>followers (a Jewish Rabbi and a Christian) have stated
>that God did it to spite the world (Jewish Rabbi's view)
>or to spite non-Christians (view of a Christian).
>
>Some Hindu organizations view it as God's retribution
>for the arrest of a Hindu leader.
>
>A Muslim views it as a test of faith.
>
>Others (like some Buddhists) view the event as natur-
>alistic.
>
>A Lutheran Christian offers distance from trying to asso-
>ciate the act with God being causal in any discernable
>way, while at the same time asserting that "God, some-
>how, is a presence in all of this."
The best perspective is GOD's perspective:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/good
Truth is simple.
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist, Molecular Biologist,
Computer Programmer, Electrical Engineer,
and Board-certified Cardiologist :-)
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Tsunami Reactions of Fear, Faith Doubt,
Clerics, Beyond Belief
(Top Posts - Social/Legal - 010305)
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Fear - "Run, the sea is coming!"
God of death?
Jan. 4, 2005
How Mohan saved his fishing village
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Asia-Tsunami/How-Mohan-saved-his-fishing-village/2005/01/03/1104601294395.html
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Excerpts:
...
"Run, the sea is coming!" His cry saved the people
of Puthukuppam, a small Indian village 20 kilometres
outside the former French colony of Pondicherry.
None of the boats survived the December 26 tsunami.
Only a dozen of 60 homes remain standing.
But none of the 300 villagers died.
...
"We cannot go back on the beach," another young
fishermen called Kandhan said. "The sea was god,
today it's Yaman [the god of death]."
...
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Faith Doubt - Tsunami disaster challenges faith
January 4, 2005
Letters to the Editor
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59-1424918,00.html
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Excerpts:
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Professor Emeritus Anthony Ralston
Sir, Rabbi Jonathan Sacks (Comment, "Why
does God allow terrible things to happen to
His people?", January 1) makes as good a
case as can be made that, by setting "life
within the parameters of the physical", God,
in effect, allows disasters such as the tsu-
nami ... to occur. At the same time Dr Sacks
sanctions "prayers for the injured and the
bereaved".
But it is the inconceivability of a God who
both allows cataclysms and listens to indivi-
dual prayers, with no credible evidence that
He does either, that continually swells the
ranks of agnostics and atheists.
...
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From Dr David Ashton
...
If God cares about his creation and is supremely
powerful, then presumably he could have made
the world otherwise.
Moreover, the idea that natural disasters result
from random events in a Universe wholly indiffer-
ent to us is surely less distressing than the idea
that they could have been prevented by a deity
who - for some inexplicable reason - chose
not to act.
Epicurus remains unanswered:
Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence comes evil?
...
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Clerics - God's tsunami role has clerics divided
God did it? Opinions on the matter are wide-
ranging, including the following from religious
leaders:
o It's a warning from God, that "judgement is
coming" (Christian)
o It's God's will (Muslim)
o It's under God's sovereignty but it's nature,
and God didn't do it, as nature isn't under
God's sovereignty, or at least, God is un-
willing to take credit for sending this par-
ticular tsunami (Christian)
o It's presumptuous to speak for God, these
days, as that task for eternity was accom-
plished back when the [so-called] holy
documents were written (Christian) [the
'real' ones, not the ones that were just
pretend, and how one can tell the differ-
ence, that's mysterious, as tons of so-
called holy documents were written, as
God claims were as profuse in ancient
times as they are today]
o Tragedies, like the tsunami, are part of
God's plan, and it's the final result that
counts (Jewish)
o The tsunami was "part of the collective
karma of the universe, and could be a
catalyst for peace, harmony and gener-
osity ... it's, for humans, like someone
sweeping their driveway is for hundreds
of ants killed in the process - that kind of
stuff happens all the time ... it's part of
the purification of negative karma. It is
not the karma of those individuals or pun-
ishment by a super-being." (Buddhist)
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By Barney Zwartz
Religion Editor
January 4, 2005
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Asia-tsunami/Gods-role-has-clerics-divided/2005/01/03/1104601296219.html
---
Complete article:
In churches, mosques and temples around Australia,
as worshippers struggle to make sense of the tsunami
disaster in south Asia, their religious leaders have no
glib answers.
But they were divided about God's responsibility yes-
terday, with some seeing it as a divine warning and
others as simply an act of nature.
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Sydney's controversial Anglican Dean, Phillip Jensen,
suggested it was God's warning that judgement was
coming, a view echoed yesterday by Melbourne's
most prominent Muslim leader, Sheikh Fehmi Naji al-
Imam of the Preston mosque.
"We don't understand God's will but we accept it,"
Sheikh Fehmi said.
"Islam says disaster comes from time to time to warn
people and shake them up, make them realise they
have left God too far behind."
Dean Jensen was unavailable yesterday, but South
Sydney Bishop Robert Forsyth amplified his remarks.
"Everything that happens is under the sovereignty of
God, yes. But did God say 'I'll send a tsunami today'?
No. This event, though terrible, is a natural event,"
Bishop Forsyth said.
Melbourne Anglican Archbishop Peter Watson said the
Christian response was to reach out with compassion
and care, but it would be presumptuous to speak for
God. "The prophets of old were able to say 'thus says
the Lord', and their words were put into holy writ - and
they said some unpopular things - but we can't stand
where they stood."
- - -
Rabbi Mordechai Gutnick, president of the Organisation
of Rabbis of Australia, said to question God was to
question with our finite minds His infinite wisdom. "What
we consider tragedies are part of His plan, and the final
result is what counts."
He said when Moses asked God why He allowed the
Jews to suffer in slavery, God replied that He revealed
himself in different ways. "The Jewish people in the
crucible of Egyptian slavery found the basis of what we
now call the Judeo-Christian ethic."
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Buddhist leader Venerable Lama Choedak Rinpoche
also suggested the good might eventually outweigh the
bad.
He said the tsunami was part of the collective karma
of the universe, and could be a catalyst for peace,
harmony and generosity.
"To us it seems very big, but when people sweep their
driveway they kill hundreds of ants without calling it a
tsunami. That kind of suffering and turbulence are hap-
pening all the time, and Buddha's explanation is purifi-
cation of negative karma. It is not the karma of those
individuals or punishment by a super-being."
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Beyond Belief - A human strategy for survival
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January 4, 2005
by Paul Valent
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Opinion/Beyond-belief-a-human-strategy-for-survival/2005/01/03/1104601291830.html
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Excerpt:
Where was God during the tsunami? Where is God
in Darfur? Where was God in Rwanda? Cambodia?
The Holocaust?
My own religious phase ended when my father, the
only one of nine siblings who survived the Holocaust,
died 12 years later of prolonged, painful cancer.
I then joined the majority of Holocaust survivors who
abandoned belief in God. No believer has been able
to convince me since then of the existence of a just,
benevolent God.
It seems hard to accept the self-evident logic: there
is no benevolent God guiding human affairs. Some
may fear a chaotic amoral universe without God. I do
not believe that the fear is justified. On the contrary,
a scientific view of disasters diminishes their chaos,
and may even give clues to the origins of morality
and religion.
...
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Seeking the Hand of God in the Waters?
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/social_legal/hand_of_god_in_the_waters.htm
Yap
wrote:
Their stupid god which cares only for the braindead so-called
christian?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Tsunami Reactions of Fear, Faith Doubt,
> Clerics, Beyond Belief
> (Top Posts - Social/Legal - 010305)
>
> - - -
> Fear - "Run, the sea is coming!"
> God of death?
No.
Running away from GOD and into sin leads to death.
"The wages of sin is death." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
James
>Re: Nature of the biblical God claims
Hello,
Yes, using some of your 'logic' above, who would want to serve such a
god. But is the Bible God REALLY that way?
If you work at a secular job, do you 'jump through their claimed right
hoops?' Don't confuse an orderly beneficial way of doing things, from
those that have an adverse hidden agenda, etc.
But any assertions I say about the Bible you will no doubt only
consider as opinion. So let's just stay with some facts.
It is only in recent times that humans have reached orbital flight,
and thus are able to see the earth as it looks from space. Yet the
Bible shows the same picture.
For example, around 2000 years before the time of Columbus, and when
there were all kinds of mythological descriptions concerning the
earth, such as the ancient Hindu writings of the Ramayana which says
that it rested on the back of a giant turtle supported by 8 elephants,
etc, a Hebrew prophet wrote in Isaiah 40:22,
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,..." (NIV)
The Hebrew word used here for "circle" is "hhug" which according to
some Hebrew scholars also has the meaning of "sphere". (for example
see: "A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B.
Davidson")
Some other Bible translations therefore say, "the globe of the earth"
(Douay Version) and, "the round earth." (Moffatt).
Also, out of the Book of Job comes the statement at Job 26:7,
"He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon
nothing." (RSV)
So the Bible in its poetic style, describes the earth as a circular
sphere 'hanging' upon "nothing" (floating) in a "void" (space). Sounds
familiar, doesn't it. Since orbital flight was not around back then,
how could they have known such things?
Even many of hundreds of years later from the writing of the book of
Job, the wise man Aristotle still believed things in the heavens were
attached to supports, not just floating there. Yet the Bible said the
earth "hangs...upon nothing." Pretty good 'guess' about such things,
if the Bible is only a fabrication of men, is it not?
Sincerely, James
If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I do
not follow all conversations in ng threads
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> >"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohuman...@ghg.net>
Yes, lets.
The central tome of Christian mythology is not an accurate
representation of history, but a record of the collision of ancient
paganism with the strange new Bronze Age concept called monotheism.
http://tinyurl.com/2vhs39
http://tinyurl.com/2kg43d
http://tinyurl.com/3ay5hm
http://tinyurl.com/2wskdr
"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact,
history, and pizza." --Penn Jillette.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
James, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> James wrote:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c698c2064db88879?
>
>Yes, lets.
>
>The central tome of Christian mythology is not an accurate
>representation of history, but a record of the collision of ancient
>paganism with the strange new Bronze Age concept called monotheism.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2vhs39
>http://tinyurl.com/2kg43d
>http://tinyurl.com/3ay5hm
>http://tinyurl.com/2wskdr
>
>"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact,
>history, and pizza." --Penn Jillette.
>
>-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> Panama Floyd wrote:
>> James wrote:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c698c2064db88879?
>>
>>Yes, lets.
>>
>>The central tome of Christian mythology is not an accurate
>>representation of history, but a record of the collision of ancient
>>paganism with the strange new Bronze Age concept called monotheism.
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/2vhs39
>>http://tinyurl.com/2kg43d
>>http://tinyurl.com/3ay5hm
>>http://tinyurl.com/2wskdr
>>
>>"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact,
>>history, and pizza." --Penn Jillette.
>>
>>-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>
> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Anybody can say that, regardless of whether or not it is true. I did, and I
will do so again soon and post it on Youtube again.
Andrew, can you publicly say "Mary had a little lamb"?
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
Muslims, at least, are 66.67% right: There is no God.
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> James wrote:
Andrew, can you publicly say "I need haloperidol"?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> James wrote:
> >>>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c698c2064db88879?
> >>
> >>Yes, lets.
> >>
> >>The central tome of Christian mythology is not an accurate
> >>representation of history, but a record of the collision of ancient
> >>paganism with the strange new Bronze Age concept called monotheism.
> >>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/2vhs39
> >>http://tinyurl.com/2kg43d
> >>http://tinyurl.com/3ay5hm
> >>http://tinyurl.com/2wskdr
> >>
> >>"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact,
> >>history, and pizza." --Penn Jillette.
> >>
> >>-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
> >
> > Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
> Anybody can say that, regardless of whether or not it is true.
Incorrect.
There have been plenty of Usenet examples of those who can't:
(1) Jimmy Alpha
(2) Kelly
(3) Vera
(4) Randy
(5) Pastor Dave
(6) Monkfish
(7) Don Kirkman ...
May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Author of WDJW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_does_Jesus_want%3F
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
Set foot on British soil and repeat that, I dare you - I double dare you -
and see what happens next.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
You know in your heart that nothing can stop the Holy Spirit, Who is
GOD.
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
So put your air fares where your keyboard is already. It's a challenge, Let
me know what flight you're on and I'll arrange the welcoming party.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The Holy Spirit is already there else you would not have been able to
publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
Your being tormented by satan remains a spiritual matter that does not
require the physical presence of this disciple of Jesus to effect an
exorcism.
Again, may GOD drive satan out of you, David.
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> David Silverman while being tormented by satan despairingly wrote:
Spirit Schmirit, you aren't. When are you booking the flight?
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> David Silverman while being tormented by satan despairingly wrote:
What a fucking cop-out! IOW, you have, out of fear and trepidation,
weaseled out of your own challenge.
Thought you would. What a pity, I had such a reception planned for you.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bottom line:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BottomLine
>>>>>> May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
>>>>>
>>>>> Set foot on British soil and repeat that, I dare you - I double dare you -
>>>>> and see what happens next.
>>>>
>>>> You know in your heart that nothing can stop the Holy Spirit, Who is
>>>> GOD.
>>>
>>> So put your air fares where your keyboard is already. It's a challenge, Let
>>> me know what flight you're on and I'll arrange the welcoming party.
>>
>> The Holy Spirit is already there else you would not have been able to
>> publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
>>
>> Your being tormented by satan remains a spiritual matter that does not
>> require the physical presence of this disciple of Jesus to effect an
>> exorcism.
>
> What a fucking cop-out! IOW, you have, out of fear and trepidation,
> weaseled out of your own challenge.
Your being tormented by satan is your challenge not mine.
> Thought you would. What a pity, I had such a reception planned for you.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly reveal how much you fear this disciple of Jesus.
Your irrational fear is a manifestation of satan being within you.
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
> Panama Floyd wrote:
> > James wrote:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c698c2064db88879?
> >
> >Yes, lets.
> >
> >The central tome of Christian mythology is not an accurate
> >representation of history, but a record of the collision of ancient
> >paganism with the strange new Bronze Age concept called monotheism.
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/2vhs39
> >http://tinyurl.com/2kg43d
> >http://tinyurl.com/3ay5hm
> >http://tinyurl.com/2wskdr
> >
> >"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact,
> >history, and pizza." --Penn Jillette.
> >
> >-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>
> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
One can say"Jesus is LORD" as easily as one can say "Jesus is dead",
but there is no point in saying it unless "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD", or
someone else , makes it worth while by putting up some money or other
valuable consideration as incentive.
Well, Chung?
--
Virgil
Sanity's Little Helper
Making him look a twat was sufficient reward for me. Guess I'm not a greedy
person.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
What we are teaching to prepare folks for the probable eventuality of
a deadlier Pan-Flu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus (T3WIJ):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
Virgil
<4d0fb5f9-b76e-4b50...@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> You know in your heart that nothing can stop the Holy Spirit
Being, at least nominally a cardiologist, does not give "ANDREW B.
CHUNG, MD/PHD" any insight to what others know in their hearts, and he
seems to get such things totally wrong at every opportunity
--
Virgil
Virgil
<9b9732dc-8f99-42d1...@l12g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> The Holy Spirit is already there else you would not have been able to
> publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
Anyone can say that, but it takes more courage thtn "ANDREW B. CHUNG,
MD/PHD" has to say "Jesus is dead", though it is at least as true.
>
> Your being tormented by satan
Why should anyone be tormented by myths they do not believe in?
--
Virgil
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
> >> Your being tormented by satan remains a spiritual matter that does not
> >> require the physical presence of this disciple of Jesus to effect an
> >> exorcism.
> >
> > What a fucking cop-out! IOW, you have, out of fear and trepidation,
> > weaseled out of your own challenge.
>
> Your being tormented by satan is your challenge not mine.
No one is being tormented by your beliefs, "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD",
except you.
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
> you to unwittingly reveal how much you fear this disciple of Jesus.
The only fear anyone might have of "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD" is that his
insanity is catching.
--
Virgil
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
> May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
> 2009th year
Buddha is older, and wiser, than ABC's delusions.
--
Virgil
Blinky Bill
"James" <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall
assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth.
Apparently the Earth has 4 corners.
>
> The Hebrew word used here for "circle" is "hhug" which according to
> some Hebrew scholars also has the meaning of "sphere". (for example
> see: "A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B.
> Davidson")
>
> Some other Bible translations therefore say, "the globe of the earth"
> (Douay Version) and, "the round earth." (Moffatt).
Psalms 33:14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the
inhabitants of the earth.
Only possible ito look down on all the inhabitants if the Earth is a
disc/circle.
>
> Also, out of the Book of Job comes the statement at Job 26:7,
>
> "He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon
> nothing." (RSV)
>
> So the Bible in its poetic style, describes the earth as a circular
> sphere 'hanging' upon "nothing" (floating) in a "void" (space). Sounds
> familiar, doesn't it. Since orbital flight was not around back then,
> how could they have known such things?
But the bible also says that the Earth rests on pillars
Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof
tremble.
1 Samuel 2:8 "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the
world upon them."
>
> Even many of hundreds of years later from the writing of the book of
> Job, the wise man Aristotle still believed things in the heavens were
> attached to supports, not just floating there. Yet the Bible said the
> earth "hangs...upon nothing." Pretty good 'guess' about such things,
> if the Bible is only a fabrication of men, is it not?
No - the bible tries to have it both ways - it also says the Earth rests on
foundations
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
declare, if thou hast understanding.
38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath
stretched the line upon it?
38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the
corner stone thereof;
Psalms 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of
the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath
of thy nostrils.
Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in
darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
>
>"James" <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>news:ov6f45td95o14ap25...@4ax.com...
Is the lunatic still repeating this stupid bullshit, so transparent it
insults the intelligence?
>> It is only in recent times that humans have reached orbital flight,
>> and thus are able to see the earth as it looks from space. Yet the
>> Bible shows the same picture.
A liar as well as an idiot.
>> For example, around 2000 years before the time of Columbus, and when
>> there were all kinds of mythological descriptions concerning the
>> earth, such as the ancient Hindu writings of the Ramayana which says
>> that it rested on the back of a giant turtle supported by 8 elephants,
>> etc, a Hebrew prophet wrote in Isaiah 40:22,
>>
>> "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,..." (NIV)
Does he understand the difference between a circle and a sphere?
And that even if they didn't have balls they had other solid round
shapes like grapes, pebbles etc.
Why didn't they use whatever word they used to describe these?
>Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall
>assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah
>from the four corners of the earth.
The NT describes a mountain so high all the kindoms of the Earth could
be seen. Including those diametrically opposite on the other side of
the sphere.
The imbecile blocks out what disagrees with him - including
contradictions like this.
>Apparently the Earth has 4 corners.
It does. In the USA at...
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=37.002159,-109.045143&spn=0.016862,0.037808&z=15
Peter B.
"Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
news:h28ul3$cek$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Ayup.
>>
>> The Hebrew word used here for "circle" is "hhug" which according to
>> some Hebrew scholars also has the meaning of "sphere". (for example
>> see: "A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B.
>> Davidson")
>>
>> Some other Bible translations therefore say, "the globe of the earth"
>> (Douay Version) and, "the round earth." (Moffatt).
>
> Psalms 33:14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the
> inhabitants of the earth.
>
> Only possible ito look down on all the inhabitants if the Earth is a
> disc/circle.
>
Funny, I can see all around the earth from where I sit, and I am on the
earth.
>>
>> Also, out of the Book of Job comes the statement at Job 26:7,
>>
>> "He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon
>> nothing." (RSV)
>>
>> So the Bible in its poetic style, describes the earth as a circular
>> sphere 'hanging' upon "nothing" (floating) in a "void" (space).
>> Sounds
>> familiar, doesn't it. Since orbital flight was not around back then,
>> how could they have known such things?
>
> But the bible also says that the Earth rests on pillars
>
Ayup, Invisible to you.
> Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars
> thereof
> tremble.
> 1 Samuel 2:8 "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set
> the
> world upon them."
>
>
>
>>
>> Even many of hundreds of years later from the writing of the book of
>> Job, the wise man Aristotle still believed things in the heavens were
>> attached to supports, not just floating there. Yet the Bible said the
>> earth "hangs...upon nothing." Pretty good 'guess' about such things,
>> if the Bible is only a fabrication of men, is it not?
>
> No - the bible tries to have it both ways - it also says the Earth
> rests on
> foundations
>
His word is a foundation the concept of which is beyond your
comprehension.
> Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
> declare, if thou hast understanding.
> 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who
> hath
> stretched the line upon it?
> 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid
> the
> corner stone thereof;
>
> Psalms 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the
> foundations of
> the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the
> breath
> of thy nostrils.
>
> Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on
> in
> darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
>
Judas went and hanged himself.
Go thou and do likewise.
See, pulling scripture out of context can really screw things up. If you
are looking for truth then ask Him. If not then why waste your time
trying to convince yourself otherwise?
dolf
support of Peter B. <in...@i-brag.com> astute comments.
Is there some rational objection which the atheist monkeys want to make?
THE BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY (AS 10 COMMANDMENTS) IS ASSOCIATED TO A BALANCED
TERNARY DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM
"And after this law I made [Moses {Taken out; drawn forth} and the
Children of Israel {He who prevails with God; he who sees God}] know the
days of the Sabbath in the wilderness of Sin {Bush} which is between
Elim {The rams; the strong; stags} and Sinai {Bush; enmity}. And I also
related to you the Sabbaths of the land on Mount Sinai. And the years of
jubilee in the Sabbaths of years I related to you. But its year I have
not related to you ... on account of this I ordained for you the weeks
of years, and the years, and the jubilees as FORTY-NINE JUBILEES from
the days of Adam {Taken from 4 corners/ Earthy; red} until this day and
ONE WEEK AND TWO YEARS. [ie. 49J1W2D + 40 years = 49J7W where the
difference of 49.7 days occurs between the 365.2425 day topical year and
364 day religious calendars]
And there are still forty further years [as 5W5D given 6D = 2184 days as
the 2 x 1092 days of the 'oth-'wonders and signs' as being a 3 x 364 day
solar / 3 x 354 day lunar + 30 day intercalation cycle] to learn the
commands of the LORD until they cross over the shore of the land of
Canaan {Merchant; trader; or that humbles and subdues}, crossing over
the Jordan {The river of judgment: See also the Category of
Understanding #369 = #8, #300, #2, #4, #50, #5 as 'n. Thought of
Judgment'} to its western side."
"He brought them out, after he had shown wonders and signs in the land
of Egypt, and in the Red Sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
This is that Moses, who said to the children of Israel, 'The Lord your
God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren. Him
shall you hear.' This is he who was in the congregation in the
wilderness with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our
fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us, whom our
fathers would not obey, but rejected." [Acts 7:36-39 (NKJV]]
#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:
7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to
the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day
intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days] +
#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the
law:
x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +
#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as
right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth
as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2]:
has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie.
20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar
month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri
5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September as] the 1st day of the [21st
priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on
the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month."
[4Q321]] +
#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula
of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1}
+ #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}
vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1,
1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}
ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragrammation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9�+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day and ipso facto 25
March) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of 1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and
substantiation of Christian identity.
"And jubilees will pass until Israel is purified from all the sin of
fornication, and defilement and uncleanness, and sin and error. And they
will dwell in confidence in all the land. And then it will not have any
Satan or any evil (one). And the land will be purified from that time
and forever." [Jubilees 50:1-5]
If language has a semiotic basis in cosmology, this chronological
polarity shift at the time of Moses and the giving of the Ten
Commandments, has an equivalence in about #34 CE onwards--it is very
likely that such kinetic projections, loss of motor control and
autonomic auditory hallucinations, were all manifest by geist (or should
I say poltergeist) phenomenon--are entirely deterministic preverbal
cosmological rules, whose occurrence is then like a ribbon in time, as
threshold crossed with its arriving
Peter B. <in...@i-brag.com> wrote:
> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:h28ul3$cek$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Blinky Bill
"Peter B." <in...@i-brag.com> wrote in message
news:4a48...@news.x-privat.org...
>
> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:h28ul3$cek$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "James" <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>> news:ov6f45td95o14ap25...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,..." (NIV)
>>
>> Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall
>> assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of
>> Judah
>> from the four corners of the earth.
>>
>> Apparently the Earth has 4 corners.
>>
>
> Ayup.
???????? Please confine your replies to English.
>
>>>
>>> The Hebrew word used here for "circle" is "hhug" which according to
>>> some Hebrew scholars also has the meaning of "sphere". (for example
>>> see: "A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B.
>>> Davidson")
>>>
>>> Some other Bible translations therefore say, "the globe of the earth"
>>> (Douay Version) and, "the round earth." (Moffatt).
>>
>> Psalms 33:14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the
>> inhabitants of the earth.
>>
>> Only possible ito look down on all the inhabitants if the Earth is a
>> disc/circle.
>>
>
> Funny, I can see all around the earth from where I sit, and I am on the
> earth.
How nice for you. Us sane people understand the geometry of a spheroid
sufficently well to realise that the biblical claim is impossible.
>
>>>
>>> Also, out of the Book of Job comes the statement at Job 26:7,
>>>
>>> "He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon
>>> nothing." (RSV)
>>>
>>> So the Bible in its poetic style, describes the earth as a circular
>>> sphere 'hanging' upon "nothing" (floating) in a "void" (space). Sounds
>>> familiar, doesn't it. Since orbital flight was not around back then,
>>> how could they have known such things?
>>
>> But the bible also says that the Earth rests on pillars
>>
>
> Ayup, Invisible to you.
And everybody else apparently - but if they exist then they contradict the
cited biblical claim that god "hangs the earth upon nothing". Both claims
cannot be true.
>
>> Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof
>> tremble.
>> 1 Samuel 2:8 "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set
>> the
>> world upon them."
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Even many of hundreds of years later from the writing of the book of
>>> Job, the wise man Aristotle still believed things in the heavens were
>>> attached to supports, not just floating there. Yet the Bible said the
>>> earth "hangs...upon nothing." Pretty good 'guess' about such things,
>>> if the Bible is only a fabrication of men, is it not?
>>
>> No - the bible tries to have it both ways - it also says the Earth rests
>> on
>> foundations
>>
>
> His word is a foundation the concept of which is beyond your
> comprehension.
That's not what the bible says.
>
>> Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
>> declare, if thou hast understanding.
>> 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who
>> hath
>> stretched the line upon it?
>> 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the
>> corner stone thereof;
>>
>> Psalms 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations
>> of
>> the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the
>> breath
>> of thy nostrils.
>>
>> Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in
>> darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
>>
>
> Judas went and hanged himself.
H emust have had to listen to people like you.
>
> Go thou and do likewise.
I'll ignore that like I ignore most of what religious nutters say. If god
is displeased he can strike me down - after all he killed thousands in the
bible for a lot less.
>
>
> See, pulling scripture out of context can really screw things up.
Trying to change the meaning of what is written in the bible certainly does
that
> If you are looking for truth then ask Him.
Silence. Hello - anybody there? No - just us humans.
Peter B.
>
>
> How nice for you. Us sane people understand the geometry of a spheroid
> sufficently well to realise that the biblical claim is impossible.
>
It appears what you are saying is that there is nothing technology wise
that would allow it. An Ostrich with its head in the sand can say
something similar.
You are not the one in control, nor due you understand all the ways
these are possible.
Buzzzzzzzzzt, you lost.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, out of the Book of Job comes the statement at Job 26:7,
>>>>
>>>> "He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon
>>>> nothing." (RSV)
>>>>
>>>> So the Bible in its poetic style, describes the earth as a circular
>>>> sphere 'hanging' upon "nothing" (floating) in a "void" (space).
>>>> Sounds
>>>> familiar, doesn't it. Since orbital flight was not around back
>>>> then,
>>>> how could they have known such things?
>>>
>>> But the bible also says that the Earth rests on pillars
>>>
>>
>> Ayup, Invisible to you.
>
> And everybody else apparently - but if they exist then they contradict
> the cited biblical claim that god "hangs the earth upon nothing". Both
> claims cannot be true.
>
To the contrary, both can be and are true. Sad that you have no insight,
nor want to,.
>>
>>> Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars
>>> thereof
>>> tremble.
>>> 1 Samuel 2:8 "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath
>>> set the
>>> world upon them."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even many of hundreds of years later from the writing of the book
>>>> of
>>>> Job, the wise man Aristotle still believed things in the heavens
>>>> were
>>>> attached to supports, not just floating there. Yet the Bible said
>>>> the
>>>> earth "hangs...upon nothing." Pretty good 'guess' about such
>>>> things,
>>>> if the Bible is only a fabrication of men, is it not?
>>>
>>> No - the bible tries to have it both ways - it also says the Earth
>>> rests on
>>> foundations
>>>
>>
>> His word is a foundation the concept of which is beyond your
>> comprehension.
>
> That's not what the bible says.
>
Oh but it does.
Hello, I am here. You assume I am human?
Blinky Bill
>
> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:h29i7j$rfi$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>
>> How nice for you. Us sane people understand the geometry of a spheroid
>> sufficently well to realise that the biblical claim is impossible.
>>
>
> It appears what you are saying is that there is nothing technology wise
> that would allow it.
No - that is a strawman you are constructing. No mention in the bible of any
technology of the era being used.
> An Ostrich with its head in the sand can say something similar.
Just like burning bushes can say stuff.
>
> You are not the one in control
I haven't claimed to be.
> nor due you understand all the ways these are possible.
Gibberish - the words are English but the intention of them is a mystery.
> Buzzzzzzzzzt, you lost.
I'm suitably devastated - perhaps you can explain (in English) what you
think I lost..
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, out of the Book of Job comes the statement at Job 26:7,
>>>>>
>>>>> "He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon
>>>>> nothing." (RSV)
>>>>>
>>>>> So the Bible in its poetic style, describes the earth as a circular
>>>>> sphere 'hanging' upon "nothing" (floating) in a "void" (space). Sounds
>>>>> familiar, doesn't it. Since orbital flight was not around back then,
>>>>> how could they have known such things?
>>>>
>>>> But the bible also says that the Earth rests on pillars
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ayup, Invisible to you.
>>
>> And everybody else apparently - but if they exist then they contradict
>> the cited biblical claim that god "hangs the earth upon nothing". Both
>> claims cannot be true.
>>
>
> To the contrary, both can be and are true. Sad that you have no insight,
> nor want to,.
So the earth "rests on pillars" and "hangs upon nothing". You will need
divine intervention to convince me that the statements aren't contradictory.
But go ahead and give it your best shot.
>
>>>
>>>> Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars
>>>> thereof
>>>> tremble.
>>>> 1 Samuel 2:8 "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set
>>>> the
>>>> world upon them."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even many of hundreds of years later from the writing of the book of
>>>>> Job, the wise man Aristotle still believed things in the heavens were
>>>>> attached to supports, not just floating there. Yet the Bible said the
>>>>> earth "hangs...upon nothing." Pretty good 'guess' about such things,
>>>>> if the Bible is only a fabrication of men, is it not?
>>>>
>>>> No - the bible tries to have it both ways - it also says the Earth
>>>> rests on
>>>> foundations
>>>>
>>>
>>> His word is a foundation the concept of which is beyond your
>>> comprehension.
>>
>> That's not what the bible says.
>>
>
> Oh but it does.
Where?
Yes, an unusually delusional, stupid and indoctrinated one, but still human.
Are you claiming that you aren't human?
panam...@hotmail.com
carved into his own flesh with his car keys:
snippay!
> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
BTDT.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v300/friedgreencorrado/?action=view¤t=P5300920.flv
Can you go back to Woodstock Baptist yet?
http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ad69bf650dac45f57ef9
-PF, Atl.
etc.
Peter B.
>
> "Peter B." <in...@i-brag.com> wrote in message
> news:4a485e1d$1...@news.x-privat.org...
>>
>> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
>> news:h29i7j$rfi$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>>
>>> How nice for you. Us sane people understand the geometry of a
>>> spheroid sufficently well to realise that the biblical claim is
>>> impossible.
>>>
>>
>> It appears what you are saying is that there is nothing technology
>> wise that would allow it.
>
> No - that is a strawman you are constructing. No mention in the bible
> of any technology of the era being used.
>
Now you are being totally ridiculous. There is no construct here,
strawman or otherwise, can't say the same about your "god". Does the
Bible mention that no technology was used? Were there descriptions in
the Bible by unlearned eyes that describe future technology? Does the
Bible have to describe the technology used by an all seeing God? How
about the records in heaven about your life and everything about it? How
are they kept? What technology was used there? What does common sense
tell you?
>> An Ostrich with its head in the sand can say something similar.
>
> Just like burning bushes can say stuff.
>
How about stones saying stuff? How does that happen? Oh, you weren't
there? What a shame.
>>
>> You are not the one in control
>
> I haven't claimed to be.
>
>
>> nor due you understand all the ways these are possible.
>
>
> Gibberish - the words are English but the intention of them is a
> mystery.
>
>> Buzzzzzzzzzt, you lost.
>
> I'm suitably devastated - perhaps you can explain (in English) what
> you think I lost..
>
Any sense of rational.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, out of the Book of Job comes the statement at Job 26:7,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth
>>>>>> upon
>>>>>> nothing." (RSV)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the Bible in its poetic style, describes the earth as a
>>>>>> circular
>>>>>> sphere 'hanging' upon "nothing" (floating) in a "void" (space).
>>>>>> Sounds
>>>>>> familiar, doesn't it. Since orbital flight was not around back
>>>>>> then,
>>>>>> how could they have known such things?
>>>>>
>>>>> But the bible also says that the Earth rests on pillars
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ayup, Invisible to you.
>>>
>>> And everybody else apparently - but if they exist then they
>>> contradict the cited biblical claim that god "hangs the earth upon
>>> nothing". Both claims cannot be true.
>>>
>>
>> To the contrary, both can be and are true. Sad that you have no
>> insight, nor want to,.
>
> So the earth "rests on pillars" and "hangs upon nothing". You will
> need divine intervention to convince me that the statements aren't
> contradictory. But go ahead and give it your best shot.
>
The earth plus a few other items mentioned rest on the pillar of Gods
word, and hang on nothing.
His word can/will create, destroy, whatever. What He says has to happen
and stay that way until He says/allows otherwise.
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars
>>>>> thereof
>>>>> tremble.
>>>>> 1 Samuel 2:8 "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath
>>>>> set the
>>>>> world upon them."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even many of hundreds of years later from the writing of the book
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Job, the wise man Aristotle still believed things in the heavens
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> attached to supports, not just floating there. Yet the Bible said
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> earth "hangs...upon nothing." Pretty good 'guess' about such
>>>>>> things,
>>>>>> if the Bible is only a fabrication of men, is it not?
>>>>>
>>>>> No - the bible tries to have it both ways - it also says the Earth
>>>>> rests on
>>>>> foundations
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> His word is a foundation the concept of which is beyond your
>>>> comprehension.
>>>
>>> That's not what the bible says.
>>>
>>
>> Oh but it does.
>
> Where?
>
Since you are so fond of quoting the word to your supposed benefit, look
it up if you really want to know.
See your prejudice sticking out there like a sore thumb, your
suppositions that words which appear here are of mans construct? What
blind faith that is, indoctrinated and possibly stupid. You cannot see
me, nor how these words got in this post, yet like a Christian you jump
to conclusions based on your own personal indoctrinations. PKB? I think
so.
Blinky Bill
>
> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:h2ahsa$enc$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Peter B." <in...@i-brag.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a485e1d$1...@news.x-privat.org...
>>>
>>> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h29i7j$rfi$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How nice for you. Us sane people understand the geometry of a spheroid
>>>> sufficently well to realise that the biblical claim is impossible.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It appears what you are saying is that there is nothing technology wise
>>> that would allow it.
>>
>> No - that is a strawman you are constructing. No mention in the bible of
>> any technology of the era being used.
>>
>
> Now you are being totally ridiculous. There is no construct here, strawman
> or otherwise, can't say the same about your "god". Does the Bible mention
> that no technology was used?
Does it mention that technology was used? No - so you are trying to
introduce a claim for which there is no evidence.
> Were there descriptions in the Bible by unlearned eyes that describe
> future technology?
If it was future technology then it wasn't available at the time. Try to
think logically.
> Does the Bible have to describe the technology used by an all seeing God?
Yes - if you want to introduce it into a discussion based on evidence and
rational argument. Otherwise you can argue that it was a "miracle" and
anything unexplainable is handwaved away by "goddidit".
> How about the records in heaven about your life and everything about it?
I know of no evidence that such records exist.
>How are they kept?
Since you have no verifiable evidence that they exist then your question is
irrelevant.
>What technology was used there? What does common sense tell you?
That they don't exist. They are a fairy tale to control children and weak
and suggestible minds.
>
>>> An Ostrich with its head in the sand can say something similar.
>>
>> Just like burning bushes can say stuff.
>>
>
> How about stones saying stuff? How does that happen?
Most likely it doesn't.
> Oh, you weren't there? What a shame.
Indeed.
>
>>>
>>> You are not the one in control
>>
>> I haven't claimed to be.
>>
>>
>>> nor due you understand all the ways these are possible.
>>
>>
>> Gibberish - the words are English but the intention of them is a mystery.
>>
>>> Buzzzzzzzzzt, you lost.
>>
>> I'm suitably devastated - perhaps you can explain (in English) what you
>> think I lost..
>>
>
> Any sense of rational.
Please reply in English.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, out of the Book of Job comes the statement at Job 26:7,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon
>>>>>>> nothing." (RSV)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the Bible in its poetic style, describes the earth as a circular
>>>>>>> sphere 'hanging' upon "nothing" (floating) in a "void" (space).
>>>>>>> Sounds
>>>>>>> familiar, doesn't it. Since orbital flight was not around back then,
>>>>>>> how could they have known such things?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the bible also says that the Earth rests on pillars
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayup, Invisible to you.
>>>>
>>>> And everybody else apparently - but if they exist then they contradict
>>>> the cited biblical claim that god "hangs the earth upon nothing". Both
>>>> claims cannot be true.
>>>>
>>>
>>> To the contrary, both can be and are true. Sad that you have no insight,
>>> nor want to,.
>>
>> So the earth "rests on pillars" and "hangs upon nothing". You will need
>> divine intervention to convince me that the statements aren't
>> contradictory. But go ahead and give it your best shot.
>>
>
> The earth plus a few other items mentioned rest on the pillar of Gods
> word, and hang on nothing.
Nothing about hanging on god's word in the bible - you are making this up.
If your god exists, does he really want you to lie for him/her/it?
>
> His word can/will create, destroy, whatever. What He says has to happen
> and stay that way until He says/allows otherwise.
Impossible to prove or disprove hence not part of a rational discussion.
Although snakes don't seem to have ever eaten dust, despite an injunction to
do so.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars
>>>>>> thereof
>>>>>> tremble.
>>>>>> 1 Samuel 2:8 "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath
>>>>>> set the
>>>>>> world upon them."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even many of hundreds of years later from the writing of the book of
>>>>>>> Job, the wise man Aristotle still believed things in the heavens
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> attached to supports, not just floating there. Yet the Bible said
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> earth "hangs...upon nothing." Pretty good 'guess' about such things,
>>>>>>> if the Bible is only a fabrication of men, is it not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No - the bible tries to have it both ways - it also says the Earth
>>>>>> rests on
>>>>>> foundations
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> His word is a foundation the concept of which is beyond your
>>>>> comprehension.
>>>>
>>>> That's not what the bible says.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh but it does.
>>
>> Where?
>>
>
> Since you are so fond of quoting the word to your supposed benefit, look
> it up if you really want to know.
I'll take that to mean that there is no reference near the quoted passage
that says that the "foundations" referred to are his words.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
>> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
>BTDT.
Then please allow this disciple of Jesus to hear it via voice mail at
the number listed at the following web site:
(You may disable caller ID by dialing *67 before your call per Kelly's
suggestion if you are afraid of having your phone number be known by
this disciple of Jesus).
Love in the truth,
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
> Panama Floyd wrote:
>
> > "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD" wrote in part:
> >
> >> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Command performances in "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD"'s three ring circus
are not something that one needs do for free, so until "ANDREW B. CHUNG,
MD/PHD" makes it worth our while, we do not choose to perform in his
circus.
--
Virgil
panam...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> Panama Floyd wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> >> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
> >BTDT.
>
> Then please allow this disciple of Jesus to hear
snip
*This* disciple of Joest Team Audi would like free tickets to Le Mans
next year, but he ain't holdin' his breath...
Take the hint.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
Peter B.
>
> "Peter B." <in...@i-brag.com> wrote in message
> news:4a49...@news.x-privat.org...
>>
>> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
>> news:h2ahsa$enc$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Peter B." <in...@i-brag.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4a485e1d$1...@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>
>>>> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:h29i7j$rfi$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How nice for you. Us sane people understand the geometry of a
>>>>> spheroid sufficently well to realise that the biblical claim is
>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It appears what you are saying is that there is nothing technology
>>>> wise that would allow it.
>>>
>>> No - that is a strawman you are constructing. No mention in the
>>> bible of any technology of the era being used.
>>>
>>
>> Now you are being totally ridiculous. There is no construct here,
>> strawman or otherwise, can't say the same about your "god". Does the
>> Bible mention that no technology was used?
>
> Does it mention that technology was used? No - so you are trying to
> introduce a claim for which there is no evidence.
>
So according to you if it mentions recording then it must also state how
it was recorded?
You are not a god to sit in judgement of things you understand not.
>
>> Were there descriptions in the Bible by unlearned eyes that describe
>> future technology?
>
> If it was future technology then it wasn't available at the time. Try
> to think logically.
>
Do try a little reading comprehension, your jumping to conclusions
unfounded show your prejudice. The technology they saw was difficult to
describe since they had no familiararity with the subjects. Sort of like
the difficulty you have in comprehending Gods plan and purposes.
>
>> Does the Bible have to describe the technology used by an all seeing
>> God?
>
> Yes - if you want to introduce it into a discussion based on evidence
> and rational argument. Otherwise you can argue that it was a "miracle"
> and anything unexplainable is handwaved away by "goddidit".
>
Wrong. To you it might seem a miracle, but to describe what one sees as
technology and then call it a miracle is deceitful.
>> How about the records in heaven about your life and everything about
>> it?
>
> I know of no evidence that such records exist.
>
Of course you don't, you only read and use verses out of context to
satisfy the arguments & anger you have towards God. You will come face
to face with those records one day.
>>How are they kept?
>
> Since you have no verifiable evidence that they exist then your
> question is irrelevant.
>
According to you or according to the Bible?
>
>>What technology was used there? What does common sense tell you?
>
> That they don't exist. They are a fairy tale to control children and
> weak and suggestible minds.
>
Oh but they do, and it is no fairy tale, it is not used to control
children and weak or suggestible minds other than misused by persons
such as Jim Jones, or other cults such as 7th day Adventists, Mormons, J
Witnesses and the RC church (or many branches of it)
>>
>>>> An Ostrich with its head in the sand can say something similar.
>>>
>>> Just like burning bushes can say stuff.
>>>
>>
>> How about stones saying stuff? How does that happen?
>
> Most likely it doesn't.
>
It does, in many ways.
You have already confirmed you do not read the Bible, nor know it or its
author, yet you attempt to sit in judgement and tell me I don't know
what I see? LOL
>
>>
>> His word can/will create, destroy, whatever. What He says has to
>> happen and stay that way until He says/allows otherwise.
>
> Impossible to prove or disprove hence not part of a rational
> discussion. Although snakes don't seem to have ever eaten dust,
> despite an injunction to do so.
>
Snakes eat dust all the time, so do moles, worms, gophers and so on,
despite your lack of knowledge and baseless assumptions.
There is evidence a plenty of the Great Flood, there is evidence of the
destruction of Sodom and Gamorrha (sp) There is evidence of the dividing
of the Red Sea and some egyptian soldies that drowned with their
chariots. There is evidence of the stars that are fixed in the sky, a
statement that weak minded and unknowlegeable people such as yourself
used for years as their "proof" until scientists and astronomers
"discovered" that those stars were indeed fixed in the skies.
Archeology has tried to disprove but ended up proving the historical
aspects of the Bible. Yet here you are a modern day Don Quixote charging
the very same windmills. I am sure you are no more intelligent than
those that came before you, and no less ignorant than those that come
after you.
If you did you would be in gross error. You should study up on a
subject, get to know the words and their meanings in it before you go
off half cocked.
God was/is before the foundations of the earth.
Blinky Bill
>
> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:h2calt$9in$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Peter B." <in...@i-brag.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a49...@news.x-privat.org...
>>>
>>> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h2ahsa$enc$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "Peter B." <in...@i-brag.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4a485e1d$1...@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:h29i7j$rfi$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How nice for you. Us sane people understand the geometry of a
>>>>>> spheroid sufficently well to realise that the biblical claim is
>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears what you are saying is that there is nothing technology
>>>>> wise that would allow it.
>>>>
>>>> No - that is a strawman you are constructing. No mention in the bible
>>>> of any technology of the era being used.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Now you are being totally ridiculous. There is no construct here,
>>> strawman or otherwise, can't say the same about your "god". Does the
>>> Bible mention that no technology was used?
>>
>> Does it mention that technology was used? No - so you are trying to
>> introduce a claim for which there is no evidence.
>>
>
> So according to you if it mentions recording then it must also state how
> it was recorded?
There was only one method of recording information known to be available at
that time. But according to you, you can invent anything you think necessary
to support your claim or even transfer technology back through time back to
that era. That requires a miracle.
> You are not a god to sit in judgement of things you understand not.
I understand that your argument(s) rely on claiming as "fact" information
which is not contained in the bible. In other words, you are handwaving
"facts" into existence.
>
>>
>>> Were there descriptions in the Bible by unlearned eyes that describe
>>> future technology?
>>
>> If it was future technology then it wasn't available at the time. Try to
>> think logically.
>>
>
> Do try a little reading comprehension,
What part of "it was future technology" do you think I had trouble
comprehending? Do you understand what your description means?
>your jumping to conclusions unfounded show your prejudice.
I based my response on your claim that they saw future technology. How is
that "jumping to conclusions"? It shows how your illogical claims cannot be
supported
> The technology they saw was difficult to describe
There is no evidence they saw any technology.
>>> Does the Bible have to describe the technology used by an all seeing
>>> God?
>>
>> Yes - if you want to introduce it into a discussion based on evidence and
>> rational argument. Otherwise you can argue that it was a "miracle" and
>> anything unexplainable is handwaved away by "goddidit".
>>
>
> Wrong. To you it might seem a miracle, but to describe what one sees as
> technology and then call it a miracle is deceitful.
They didn't describe it as technology - to claim they did is an outright
lie.
>
>>> How about the records in heaven about your life and everything about it?
>>
>> I know of no evidence that such records exist.
>>
>
> Of course you don't, you only read and use verses out of context
Then show which verses I have taken out of context. However I note that you
have added to and embellished what is written in the bible to suit your
purpose - does your god need you to lie for him?
> to satisfy the arguments & anger you have towards God.
I have no anger towards any god because there is no concrete and verifiable
evidence that any of them exist. But if you think i am angry towards any
god, produce some evidence.
> You will come face to face with those records one day.
<yawn> I don't believe in fairy tales.
>>>How are they kept?
>>
>> Since you have no verifiable evidence that they exist then your question
>> is irrelevant.
>>
>
> According to you or according to the Bible?
It is irrelevant according to logic and rational thought. If you want to
claim that something exists, then it is up to you to describe it and produce
evidence of its existence. If I don't believe it exists, how can you expect
me to be able to describe it? You aren't very intelligent are you.
>
>>
>>>What technology was used there? What does common sense tell you?
>>
>> That they don't exist. They are a fairy tale to control children and weak
>> and suggestible minds.
>>
>
> Oh but they do
Then produce the evidence - show me the contents of my record.
>, and it is no fairy tale,
Then produce verifiable evidence such records exist.
> it is not used to control children and weak or suggestible minds
Of course it is - it works on you LMAO
> other than misused by persons such as Jim Jones, or other cults such as
> 7th day Adventists, Mormons, J Witnesses and the RC church (or many
> branches of it)
I see - only your interpretation of the bible is OK - did god tell you that?
Don't tell such obvious lies. If I hadn't read the bible I wouldn't be able
to quote from it.
> nor know it or its author, yet you attempt to sit in judgement and tell me
> I don't know what I see? LOL
I asked you to cite from the bible where you saw something which states that
the foundations are really words. You haven't so you just try this bluster
to cover your lie. If you saw that the "foundations" are "words" then quote
the relevant passage - if you can't, then I must conclude that you didn't
see that, but you imagined it.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> His word can/will create, destroy, whatever. What He says has to happen
>>> and stay that way until He says/allows otherwise.
>>
>> Impossible to prove or disprove hence not part of a rational discussion.
>> Although snakes don't seem to have ever eaten dust, despite an injunction
>> to do so.
>>
>
> Snakes eat dust all the time,
Rubbish. Snakes are carnivorous - produce whatever evidence you have that
they eat dust.
> so do
<snip irrelevant rant>
>
> There is evidence of the stars that are fixed in the sky, a statement that
> weak minded and unknowlegeable people such as yourself used for years as
> their "proof" until scientists and astronomers "discovered" that those
> stars were indeed fixed in the skies.
Rubbish again - any professional astronomer will tell you that stars are
moving. And the bible claims in many places that the earth doesn't move. A
claim to the contrary was what got Galileo in so much trouble.
(Psa 93:1 NRSV)" . He has established the world; it shall never be moved; "
1 Chronicles 16:30 "... the world also shall be stable, that it be not
moved. "
Psalms 96.10 "... the world also shall be established that it shall not be
moved:"
Psalms 104:5 "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be
removed for ever."
>
> Archeology has tried to disprove but ended up proving the historical
> aspects of the Bible.
Only when all the archeological evidence against the historical accuracy of
the bible is ignored - in reality there are plenty of claims in the bible
which are inaccurate. In fact it even contradicts itself in hundreds of
places.
But even if it agrees with the archeological record, if that is achieved by
changing the meanings of words like you do, then any conformance really
means nothing.
However if you think archeology has evidence to support your claims, where
is the archeological evidence of whatever technology was used by your god to
view all the inhabitants of the earth.
>Yet here you are a modern day Don Quixote charging the very same windmills.
There is no need for me to do that - the windmills have been tumbled by a
mere zephyr of reason and intelligence.
> I am sure you are no more intelligent than those that came before you, and
> no less ignorant than those that come after you.
And you are no less ignorant than the billions who have believed in all the
gods of history - you have merely been gulled by a different set of con-men.
Then cite the relevant passage - don't just try to handwave it into
existence.
>You should study up on a subject
Advice you should heed yourself - perhaps then you would be able to find
something to support your claim.
>, get to know the words and their meanings in it before you go off half
>cocked.
I asked you to provide evidence that "foundation" has the meaning you
claim. You apparently don't have any.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>> Panama Floyd wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>>
>> >> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>>
>> >BTDT.
>>
>
>snip
>
>*This* disciple of Joest Team Audi would like free tickets to Le Mans
>next year, but he ain't holdin' his breath...
>Take the hint.
Sad to note that there remains no evidence that you can publicly say
"Jesus is LORD" despite your claims to the contrary.
May GOD soften your heart, Panama Floyd, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
> Panama Floyd wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> Panama Floyd wrote:
> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >>
> >> >> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
> >>
> >> >BTDT.
> >>
> >> Then please allow this disciple of Jesus to hear you publicly say "Jesus
> >> is LORD."
Whyever should a sane person pander to the delusions of a nut like
"ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD"?
>
> Sad to note that there remains no evidence that you can publicly say
> "Jesus is LORD" despite your claims to the contrary.
There remains no evidence that anyone needs to pander to the delusions
of such nuts as "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD".
--
Virgil
panam...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> Panama Floyd wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> Panama Floyd wrote:
> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> >> >> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
> >> >BTDT.
>
> >> Then please allow this disciple of Jesus to hear you publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
>
> >snip
>
> >*This* disciple of Joest Team Audi would like free tickets to Le Mans
> >next year, but he ain't holdin' his breath...
> >Take the hint.
>
> Sad to note that there remains no evidence that you can publicly say
> "Jesus is LORD" despite your claims to the contrary.
Sad to note that you are still One Crazy Motherfucker(tm), despite
your claims to the contrary.
-PF, Atl.
etc.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>> Panama Floyd wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>> >> Panama Floyd wrote:
>> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>>
>> >> >> Panama Floyd, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>>
>> >> >BTDT.
>>
>> >> Then please allow this disciple of Jesus to hear you publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
>>
>> >snip
>>
>> >*This* disciple of Joest Team Audi would like free tickets to Le Mans
>> >next year, but he ain't holdin' his breath...
>> >Take the hint.
>>
>> Sad to note that there remains no evidence that you can publicly say
>> "Jesus is LORD" despite your claims to the contrary.
>
>Sad to note that you are still One Crazy Motherfucker(tm), despite
>your claims to the contrary.
Would not have an active medical license if that were true.
Bottom line concerning you and other non-christians:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BottomLine
May GOD soften your heart, PF, so that you would come to trust the
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
> >Sad to note that you are still One Crazy Motherfucker(tm), despite
> >your claims to the contrary.
>
> Would not have an active medical license if that were true.
There are those, like "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD", who are reasonably sane
on most issues but mad as hatters on one subject.
The term monomaniac springs to mind.
--
Virgil
Ken
> In article <lu7m45hp6bkl6rfq2qqkafmgi9cmip7...@4ax.com>,
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>
> > >Sad to note that you are still One Crazy Motherfucker(tm), despite
> > >your claims to the contrary.
>
> > Would not have an active medical license if that were true.
>
> There are those, like "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD", who are reasonably sane
> on most issues but mad as hatters on one subject.
>
> The term monomaniac springs to mind.
>
> --
> Virgil
Not to mention him suffering from the debilitating effects of his OCD
.Obsessive-compulsive disorder affects roughly six million Americans.
Its symptoms, ranging from repetitive hand-washing to preoccupation
with sexual, religious, or aggressive impulses, wreak havoc in
people's lives, and often cause severe emotional and economic loss.The
sufferer feels compelled to voluntarily perform irrational, time-
consuming behaviors to diminish the anxiety
Obsessions
Recurrent and persistent thoughts, impulses, or images that are
experienced as intrusive and that cause marked anxiety or distress.
The thoughts, impulses, or images are not simply excessive worries
about real-life problems.
The person attempts to ignore or suppress such thoughts, impulses, or
images, or to neutralize them with some other thought or action.
The person recognizes that the obsessional thoughts, impulses, or
images are a product of his or her own mind, and are not based in
reality.
Compulsions
Repetitive behaviors or mental acts that the person feels driven to
perform in response to an obsession, or according to rules that must
be applied rigidly.
The behaviors or mental acts are aimed at preventing or reducing
distress or preventing some dreaded event or situation; however, these
behaviors or mental acts are not actually connected to the issue, or
they are excessive.
In addition to these criteria, at some point during the course of the
disorder, the individual must realize that his/her obsessions or
compulsions are unreasonable or excessive. Moreover, the obsessions or
compulsions must be time-consuming (taking up more than one hour per
day)
Chung seems to spend his entire day glued to a PC
dolf
Ken <flak...@earthlink.net>
http://kook.us/ken-kellogg.htm
Ken Kellogg aka flakey714 describes himself as, "A mostly single,
semi-retired, Californian, college educated, and loving pet owner."
He also said, "Went to SJS" (that's San Jose State) "and lived near
campus from 66-69, then lived near Eastridge for several more years, but
work (as a chemist) called me to San Leandro where I've been for some
35+ years"
And yet, Ken's obsessive and aggressive behavior in newsgroups indicates
that he is attempting to compensate for low self-esteem, frustration
with aspects of his personal life over which he has no control, and
depression.
Stalking
Ken Kellogg aka flakey714 is a serial stalker and spammer who is
currently stalking the single-issue Kook Tom Hennessey by dogging
everything Hennessey crossposts with a few stock responses repeated over
and over again. He has been asked numerous times to explain exactly what
he hopes to accomplish by people who would try to reason with him, but
has no answer except additional attacks on Hennessey and hostility
towards anyone who asks.
While it is easy to understand the frustration that many feel towards
Tom Hennessy for his inane postings and how it drives some to confront
him, dogging his posts in a systematic way in the manner that Ken has
carried on for several months now amounts to stalking. And the
repetitive nature of Ken's replies far exceeds the guidelines set forth
in The Breidbart Index for determining what constitutes spam.
It should be obvious even to the most incompetent observer that stalking
a Kook is counter-productive, since Kooks love any and all attention.
What drives Ken to stalk Hennessey becomes clear when one examines Ken's
posting history. Ken Kellogg aka flakey714 has stalked others in the
same manner. He has been stalking some guy named "Dave" for more than
five years in many different newsgroups.
This is a typical example:
From: "ken as always" <flakey...@aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.dating.uk.north-west
Subject: dave you fucking piece of uneducated crap
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:51:28 -0800
Lines: 5
Message-ID: <30ejojF...@uni-berlin.de>
> .Fuck you, fuck yo mama and fuck your imaginary god
Peter B.
Are you ignorant? Or have you truly lost the ability to comprehend what
you are reading?
The Bible says nothing about this recording going on in the earth, it
was recorded in the heavens, stored for future judgement to your good or
bad.
>> You are not a god to sit in judgement of things you understand not.
>
> I understand that your argument(s) rely on claiming as "fact"
> information which is not contained in the bible. In other words, you
> are handwaving "facts" into existence.
>
Wrong again, as usual. You do not read, nor understand the Bible so it
would be impossible for you to use it as a sword.
>>
>>>
>>>> Were there descriptions in the Bible by unlearned eyes that
>>>> describe future technology?
>>>
>>> If it was future technology then it wasn't available at the time.
>>> Try to think logically.
>>>
>>
>> Do try a little reading comprehension,
>
> What part of "it was future technology" do you think I had trouble
> comprehending? Do you understand what your description means?
>
Sheesh, do you really find it difficult to understand what a speeding
motorcycle running on a highway at night would look like to someone in
the 1600's let alone people in BC times?
Again, try and understand how a person would describe a helicopter of
today (fighter style) as seen through the eyes of a person who lived
3000 years BC, If you are unable to comprehend then perhaps you should
drop this part of the post?
>>your jumping to conclusions unfounded show your prejudice.
>
> I based my response on your claim that they saw future technology. How
> is that "jumping to conclusions"? It shows how your illogical claims
> cannot be supported
>
Are you ever circular. Your prejudice is still showing.
>
>
>> The technology they saw was difficult to describe
>
> There is no evidence they saw any technology.
>
Wrong, again. Even scholars knocking God understand in a very poor and
unedcuated sense the wheels of Ezekiel.
>>>> Does the Bible have to describe the technology used by an all
>>>> seeing God?
>>>
>>> Yes - if you want to introduce it into a discussion based on
>>> evidence and rational argument. Otherwise you can argue that it was
>>> a "miracle" and anything unexplainable is handwaved away by
>>> "goddidit".
>>>
>>
>> Wrong. To you it might seem a miracle, but to describe what one sees
>> as technology and then call it a miracle is deceitful.
>
> They didn't describe it as technology - to claim they did is an
> outright lie.
>
Look it was you who kept insisting that things are miracles and for what
reason escapes me since you haven't a clue what one is.
>
>>
>>>> How about the records in heaven about your life and everything
>>>> about it?
>>>
>>> I know of no evidence that such records exist.
>>>
>>
>> Of course you don't, you only read and use verses out of context
>
> Then show which verses I have taken out of context. However I note
> that you have added to and embellished what is written in the bible to
> suit your purpose - does your god need you to lie for him?
>
Wrong, you don't know what the Word says much less what it means.
>> to satisfy the arguments & anger you have towards God.
>
> I have no anger towards any god because there is no concrete and
> verifiable evidence that any of them exist. But if you think i am
> angry towards any god, produce some evidence.
>
Science and scientists would disagree with that statement, although they
typically would call Him a higher power/intelligence. Your whole purpose
is to rail against God, and demean Him to the level of gods.
>> You will come face to face with those records one day.
>
> <yawn> I don't believe in fairy tales.
>
Yes you do, and again to speak of any religion as a fairy tale is
purposely demeaning and an extension of your rage.
>>>>How are they kept?
>>>
>>> Since you have no verifiable evidence that they exist then your
>>> question is irrelevant.
>>>
>>
>> According to you or according to the Bible?
>
> It is irrelevant according to logic and rational thought. If you want
> to claim that something exists, then it is up to you to describe it
> and produce evidence of its existence. If I don't believe it exists,
> how can you expect me to be able to describe it? You aren't very
> intelligent are you.
>
The question was and is, " According to you or according to the Bible?"
Afraid to answer?
>>
>>>
>>>>What technology was used there? What does common sense tell you?
>>>
>>> That they don't exist. They are a fairy tale to control children and
>>> weak and suggestible minds.
>>>
>>
>> Oh but they do
>
> Then produce the evidence - show me the contents of my record.
>
Any record? OK, we already agreed on Josephus, you acknowleged he was a
contemporary.
>>, and it is no fairy tale,
>
> Then produce verifiable evidence such records exist.
>
Are you a parrot?
>> it is not used to control children and weak or suggestible minds
>
> Of course it is - it works on you LMAO
>
You might like to think so, yet you don't know of me nor who I am or if
I even exist, I may be a mere bot amongst many on the Internet, and as
such would have a library of knowledge at my keyboard from which to
draw. The eyes of your mind are blinded to truth and even afraid of it.
>> other than misused by persons such as Jim Jones, or other cults such
>> as 7th day Adventists, Mormons, J Witnesses and the RC church (or
>> many branches of it)
>
> I see - only your interpretation of the bible is OK - did god tell you
> that?
>
He provided the understanding, but neither He nor I said it was only me
interpretation, that was a prejudical leap of ignorance on your part and
a poor attempt at sarcasm.
I know you could do a word search on the Net to find versus and the
context would matter little to you as you used versus out of context to
support and weak argument of yours. You also lacked the understanding
behind the words which simply shows your ignorance and points out as
even you would say, that you do not know God or anything about him.
>> nor know it or its author, yet you attempt to sit in judgement and
>> tell me I don't know what I see? LOL
>
> I asked you to cite from the bible where you saw something which
> states that the foundations are really words. You haven't so you just
> try this bluster to cover your lie. If you saw that the "foundations"
> are "words" then quote the relevant passage - if you can't, then I
> must conclude that you didn't see that, but you imagined it.
>
Lie? You, the clueless one determines without evidence that another
lies? You who have not the word in your heart much less your head
determines what a lie is? If I thought that truth would matter I would
take the time to post it here. You are not searching for truth, nor are
you searching for understanding. You are on a clueless ego trip built up
in the foolishness of your mind and mis-understanding, you have no room
for truth. If it mattered or was of concern to you I would take the
time, so feel free to read the whole Bible and prove me wrong, you
cannot nor will you.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> His word can/will create, destroy, whatever. What He says has to
>>>> happen and stay that way until He says/allows otherwise.
>>>
>>> Impossible to prove or disprove hence not part of a rational
>>> discussion. Although snakes don't seem to have ever eaten dust,
>>> despite an injunction to do so.
>>>
>>
>> Snakes eat dust all the time,
>
> Rubbish. Snakes are carnivorous - produce whatever evidence you have
> that they eat dust.
>
Any animal they eat have dust on them, that's one. Two, it would be
impossible to slither on dirt without ingesting dust.
>> so do
>
> <snip irrelevant rant>
>
Coward.
>
>>
>> There is evidence of the stars that are fixed in the sky, a statement
>> that weak minded and unknowlegeable people such as yourself used for
>> years as their "proof" until scientists and astronomers "discovered"
>> that those stars were indeed fixed in the skies.
>
> Rubbish again - any professional astronomer will tell you that stars
> are moving. And the bible claims in many places that the earth doesn't
> move. A claim to the contrary was what got Galileo in so much trouble.
> (Psa 93:1 NRSV)" . He has established the world; it shall never be
> moved; "
> 1 Chronicles 16:30 "... the world also shall be stable, that it be not
> moved. "
> Psalms 96.10 "... the world also shall be established that it shall
> not be moved:"
> Psalms 104:5 "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should
> not be removed for ever."
>
Oh oh, that nasty word foundations was posted by you, also you posted
your ages old ignorance of the stars and galaxy.. You totally blew past
my points about Pleidese (i know it is the wrong spelling) and others.
Doesn't matter, you love to live in your ignorance.
>>
>> Archeology has tried to disprove but ended up proving the historical
>> aspects of the Bible.
>
> Only when all the archeological evidence against the historical
> accuracy of the bible is ignored - in reality there are plenty of
> claims in the bible which are inaccurate. In fact it even contradicts
> itself in hundreds of places.
> But even if it agrees with the archeological record, if that is
> achieved by changing the meanings of words like you do, then any
> conformance really means nothing.
> However if you think archeology has evidence to support your claims,
> where is the archeological evidence of whatever technology was used by
> your god to view all the inhabitants of the earth.
>
God does not reside here. I love how you selectively snip and distort,
then spin your answers to another subject. Shows your weaknesses also
shows you know litlle about the world at large, its history or even
climage change. You know little of science and what little you know you
shun as soon as it disagree's with your ignorance.
>
>>Yet here you are a modern day Don Quixote charging the very same
>>windmills.
>
> There is no need for me to do that - the windmills have been tumbled
> by a mere zephyr of reason and intelligence.
>
Perhaps yet you persist in charging the windmills nonetheless.
>
>> I am sure you are no more intelligent than those that came before
>> you, and no less ignorant than those that come after you.
>
> And you are no less ignorant than the billions who have believed in
> all the gods of history - you have merely been gulled by a different
> set of con-men.
>
Wrong, No man gave me the understanding and no man saved my life. You on
the other hand appear to have fallen into a human trap crafted by Satan
to deter you from the truth. You have willingly decided to follow the
deceitful trail and let if fill your ego with your purported
enlightenment, yet you are really unsure of it all down deep inside and
want to "cover your bases" in the likely case you are wrong. Sadly hell
is filled with the likes of you, you have a chance to escape that ending
if you chose.
As I said numerous times, I won't bother since it makes not difference
to you and you do not want to see it.
To help clarify it for you it is like this. I can take a virtous woman
of beauty and high intellect and show her to you for what a true partner
would be like, but you would not be interested in her at all because you
are queer. and you would continue to stand by your man.
>>, get to know the words and their meanings in it before you go off
>>half cocked.
>
> I asked you to provide evidence that "foundation" has the meaning you
> claim. You apparently don't have any.
>
I told you how you can look it up for yourself.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Truth is reality:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD soften your heart, Ken, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of WDJW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_does_Jesus_want%3F
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> Truth is reality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfHjrHE80TA
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
"God" is a casual and intellectually sparse rationalisation of nerve
impulses within the human brain, conflated with social and societal
expediencies, such as the division of labour and the wielding of authority,
resulting in a formal definition of a personification of an authority that
must not be questioned.
Not authentic without this signature.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
What we are teaching to prepare folks for the probable eventuality of
a deadlier Pan-Flu:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Pan-Flu
How to not be fearful:
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus (T3WIJ):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
Blinky Bill
Are you stupid?
> Or have you truly lost the ability to comprehend what you are reading?
> The Bible says nothing about this recording going on in the earth, it was
> recorded in the heavens,
I don't know what recording you are ranting about - read back up the
discussion which was about god being able to see every body on earth.
Nothing about recording - try to stay focussed.
>stored for future judgement to your good or bad.
Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are said to do much the same thing.
>
>>> You are not a god to sit in judgement of things you understand not.
>>
>> I understand that your argument(s) rely on claiming as "fact" information
>> which is not contained in the bible. In other words, you are handwaving
>> "facts" into existence.
>>
>
> Wrong again, as usual.
Then try again to explain the "future technology" that you claim was
involved.
>You do not read, nor understand the Bible so it would be impossible for you
>to use it as a sword.
Wrong again, as usual.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Were there descriptions in the Bible by unlearned eyes that describe
>>>>> future technology?
>>>>
>>>> If it was future technology then it wasn't available at the time. Try
>>>> to think logically.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do try a little reading comprehension,
>>
>> What part of "it was future technology" do you think I had trouble
>> comprehending? Do you understand what your description means?
>>
>
> Sheesh, do you really find it difficult to understand what a speeding
> motorcycle running on a highway at night would look like to someone in the
> 1600's let alone people in BC times?
I imagine it would be a big surprise for them given there were no highways
and no motorcycles - I see you have reverted to your time-travel argument.
>
> Again, try and understand how a person would describe a helicopter of
> today (fighter style) as seen through the eyes of a person who lived 3000
> years BC, If you are unable to comprehend then perhaps you should drop
> this part of the post?
Hey, I'm not trying to invoke time travel as part of a rational argument -
that is you, making you wrong, as usual yet again.
>
>
>>>your jumping to conclusions unfounded show your prejudice.
>>
>> I based my response on your claim that they saw future technology. How is
>> that "jumping to conclusions"? It shows how your illogical claims cannot
>> be supported
>>
>
> Are you ever circular.
No - just the conventional humanoid shape - you are speaking in tongues
again.
> Your prejudice is still showing.
You are welcome to show how, but I suspect you are using words you don't
understand, as usual.
>
>>
>>
>>> The technology they saw was difficult to describe
>>
>> There is no evidence they saw any technology.
>>
>
> Wrong, again. Even scholars knocking God understand in a very poor and
> unedcuated sense the wheels of Ezekiel.
Wrong again as usual - probably just hallucinations induced by mushrooms.
>
>>>>> Does the Bible have to describe the technology used by an all seeing
>>>>> God?
>>>>
>>>> Yes - if you want to introduce it into a discussion based on evidence
>>>> and rational argument. Otherwise you can argue that it was a "miracle"
>>>> and anything unexplainable is handwaved away by "goddidit".
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wrong. To you it might seem a miracle, but to describe what one sees as
>>> technology and then call it a miracle is deceitful.
>>
>> They didn't describe it as technology - to claim they did is an outright
>> lie.
>>
>
> Look it was you who kept insisting that things are miracles
It was you who insisted the bible is describing "future technology".
I see that your understanding of English hasn't improved. I haven't said
that miracles occurred. I have said that your argument of "future
technology" being used required either time travel or a miracle.
>and for what reason escapes me since you haven't a clue what one is.
Wrong again, as usual.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>> How about the records in heaven about your life and everything about
>>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> I know of no evidence that such records exist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of course you don't, you only read and use verses out of context
>>
>> Then show which verses I have taken out of context. However I note that
>> you have added to and embellished what is written in the bible to suit
>> your purpose - does your god need you to lie for him?
>>
>
> Wrong, you don't know what the Word says much less what it means.
Wrong again as usual, and I notice that you can't show any example of me
taking quotes out of context.
>
>>> to satisfy the arguments & anger you have towards God.
>>
>> I have no anger towards any god because there is no concrete and
>> verifiable evidence that any of them exist. But if you think i am angry
>> towards any god, produce some evidence.
>>
>
> Science and scientists would disagree with that statement, although they
> typically would call Him a higher power/intelligence.
Rubbish - wrong again as usual. Plenty of scientists have no belief in any
god.
> Your whole purpose is to rail against God,
Wrong again, as usual. Show me where I have railed against god.
> and demean Him to the level of gods.
Why do you think he/she/it is any different to any of the thousands of gods
that have been worshipped over human history?
>
>
>>> You will come face to face with those records one day.
>>
>> <yawn> I don't believe in fairy tales.
>>
>
> Yes you do,
Then tell me some fairy tales I believe in.
>and again to speak of any religion as a fairy tale is purposely demeaning
>and an extension of your rage.
Not rage - laughter at your gullibility. I see that your own anger and rage
is growing as your helplessness is highlighted - you will just have to
understand that I don't share a belief in a god with you, because I see no
reason to worship one god ahead of any other when there is no concrete
evidence available for the existence of any of them. And I haven't demeaned
any religion, only some of the absurd/contradictory claims made by one.
>
>>>>>How are they kept?
>>>>
>>>> Since you have no verifiable evidence that they exist then your
>>>> question is irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>
>>> According to you or according to the Bible?
>>
>> It is irrelevant according to logic and rational thought. If you want to
>> claim that something exists, then it is up to you to describe it and
>> produce evidence of its existence. If I don't believe it exists, how can
>> you expect me to be able to describe it? You aren't very intelligent are
>> you.
>>
>
> The question was and is, " According to you or according to the Bible?"
And the answer was that I have no evidence or belief that they exist
therefor I cannot possibly have any idea how they are kept.
> Afraid to answer?
No - I provided an answer.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What technology was used there? What does common sense tell you?
>>>>
>>>> That they don't exist. They are a fairy tale to control children and
>>>> weak and suggestible minds.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh but they do
>>
>> Then produce the evidence - show me the contents of my record.
>>
>
> Any record?
No - MY record - your literacy isn't improving.
> OK, we already agreed on Josephus,
Liar - I made no such agreement - is your god so insecure that he requires
you to lie for him?
> you acknowleged he was a contemporary.
He is/was not a contemporary of mine.
>
>>>, and it is no fairy tale,
>>
>> Then produce verifiable evidence such records exist.
>>
>
> Are you a parrot?
Wrong again, as usual.
>
>>> it is not used to control children and weak or suggestible minds
>>
>> Of course it is - it works on you LMAO
>>
>
> You might like to think so, yet you don't know of me nor who I am or if I
> even exist,
I can see how you lie to further your religious beliefs - that's pretty well
all I need to know about you.
>I may be a mere bot amongst many on the Internet, and as such would have a
>library of knowledge at my keyboard from which to draw. The eyes of your
>mind are blinded to truth and even afraid of it.
Wrong again as usual. You argument seems to centre on claiming that I
cannot see what you can. The fact that I don't share your delusions is not
something I am ashamed of.
>
>>> other than misused by persons such as Jim Jones, or other cults such as
>>> 7th day Adventists, Mormons, J Witnesses and the RC church (or many
>>> branches of it)
>>
>> I see - only your interpretation of the bible is OK - did god tell you
>> that?
>>
>
> He provided the understanding, but neither He nor I said it was only me
> interpretation, that was a prejudical leap of ignorance on your part and a
> poor attempt at sarcasm.
No it was based on your claim that the bible is misused by religious cults
other than your cult.
It would help if you confined your reply to English.
>You also lacked the understanding
> behind the words
Obviously I understood them well enough to show the claim by the original
poster was contradicted by other passages in the bible.
> which simply shows your ignorance and points out as even
> you would say, that you do not know God or anything about him.
It is not surprising that I know nothing about an entity for which there is
no verifiable and concrete evidence of existence.
>
>>> nor know it or its author, yet you attempt to sit in judgement and tell
>>> me I don't know what I see? LOL
>>
>> I asked you to cite from the bible where you saw something which states
>> that the foundations are really words. You haven't so you just try this
>> bluster to cover your lie. If you saw that the "foundations" are "words"
>> then quote the relevant passage - if you can't, then I must conclude that
>> you didn't see that, but you imagined it.
>>
>
> Lie?
Yes - where is the evidence that "foundations" in the context it was used
really means "god's words" as you claim?
>You, the clueless one determines without evidence that another lies?
You can't produce evidence for your claim and I can't find any evidence, so
your continued use of the claim is a lie.
> You who have not the word in your
<snip> rant
You will just have to get over the fact that I don't believe in the god you
believe in. You can believe in whatever god you want, but when people
selectively quote from the bible, I will highlight any associated
inconsistency and contradiction which I know of.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> His word can/will create, destroy, whatever. What He says has to
>>>>> happen and stay that way until He says/allows otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Impossible to prove or disprove hence not part of a rational
>>>> discussion. Although snakes don't seem to have ever eaten dust, despite
>>>> an injunction to do so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Snakes eat dust all the time,
>>
>> Rubbish. Snakes are carnivorous - produce whatever evidence you have that
>> they eat dust.
>>
>
> Any animal they eat have dust on them, that's one.
Not true for some snakes such as sea-snakes. So when god punished the snake
by allegedly saying
"Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above
every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou
eat all the days of thy life"
nothing really changed. Of course I am curious to know how the snake moved
around before being condemned to moving on its belly, or didn't that change
either. And in reality many snakes hibernate during the cooler months of the
year and don't eat anything, certainly not dust "all the days" of their
lives.
> Two, it would be
> impossible to slither on dirt without ingesting dust.
Quite simple - it only has to keep its mouth closed, or even be a sea-snake.
>
>>> so do
>>
>> <snip irrelevant rant>
>>
>
> Coward.
Liar.
>
>>
>>>
>>> There is evidence of the stars that are fixed in the sky, a statement
>>> that weak minded and unknowlegeable people such as yourself used for
>>> years as their "proof" until scientists and astronomers "discovered"
>>> that those stars were indeed fixed in the skies.
>>
>> Rubbish again - any professional astronomer will tell you that stars are
>> moving. And the bible claims in many places that the earth doesn't move.
>> A claim to the contrary was what got Galileo in so much trouble.
>> (Psa 93:1 NRSV)" . He has established the world; it shall never be moved;
>> "
>> 1 Chronicles 16:30 "... the world also shall be stable, that it be not
>> moved. "
>> Psalms 96.10 "... the world also shall be established that it shall not
>> be moved:"
>> Psalms 104:5 "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not
>> be removed for ever."
>>
>
> Oh oh, that nasty word foundations was posted by you,
Yes - you think it means "words", and apparently believe the world rests on
words.
>also you posted your
> ages old ignorance of the stars and galaxy.
I said that the stars are moving - why is that ignorant?
>. You totally blew past my
> points about Pleidese (i know it is the wrong spelling)
You are lying again, as usual - you haven't mentioned Pleiades (or anything
resembling that) in any post in this thread.
> and others.
> Doesn't matter, you love to live in your ignorance.
You are lying again, as usual.
>
>>>
>>> Archeology has tried to disprove but ended up proving the historical
>>> aspects of the Bible.
>>
>> Only when all the archeological evidence against the historical accuracy
>> of the bible is ignored - in reality there are plenty of claims in the
>> bible which are inaccurate. In fact it even contradicts itself in
>> hundreds of places.
>> But even if it agrees with the archeological record, if that is achieved
>> by changing the meanings of words like you do, then any conformance
>> really means nothing.
>> However if you think archeology has evidence to support your claims,
>> where is the archeological evidence of whatever technology was used by
>> your god to view all the inhabitants of the earth.
>>
>
> God does not reside here.
Then why introduce archeology into the discussion about how god can see the
whole world. You mind certainly moves in mysterious ways.
> I love how you selectively snip and distort,
I am glad you appreciate my efforts at trying to keep you on topic by
snipping your attempts to change the subject.
I'll do it again now
<snip> rant
>>
>>>Yet here you are a modern day Don Quixote charging the very same
>>>windmills.
>>
>> There is no need for me to do that - the windmills have been tumbled by a
>> mere zephyr of reason and intelligence.
>>
>
> Perhaps yet you persist in charging the windmills nonetheless.
You are lying again, as usual.
>
>>
>>> I am sure you are no more intelligent than those that came before you,
>>> and no less ignorant than those that come after you.
>>
>> And you are no less ignorant than the billions who have believed in all
>> the gods of history - you have merely been gulled by a different set of
>> con-men.
>>
>
> Wrong, No man gave me the understanding and no man saved my life. You on
> the other hand appear to have fallen into a human trap crafted by Satan
wrong again - as usual <yawn> more fairy tales. I don't have the time or
inclination to read them.
<snip>
>>>>
>>>> I'll take that to mean that there is no reference near the quoted
>>>> passage that says that the "foundations" referred to are his words.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you did you would be in gross error.
>>
>> Then cite the relevant passage - don't just try to handwave it into
>> existence.
>>
>>>You should study up on a subject
>>
>> Advice you should heed yourself - perhaps then you would be able to find
>> something to support your claim.
>>
>
> As I said numerous times, I won't bother since it makes not difference to
> you and you do not want to see it.
I obviously want to see it - that is why I asked you for the information.
>
> To help clarify it for you it is like this. I can take a virtous woman of
> beauty and high intellect and show her to you for what a true partner
> would be like, but you would not be interested in her at all because you
> are queer. and you would continue to stand by your man.
LMAO You have really lost it now haven't you. Why do you find it necessary
to lie for your god? I am glad that I have no belief in a god like yours. It
would be insufferable to have to lie like you are just to please him.
>
>>>, get to know the words and their meanings in it before you go off half
>>>cocked.
>>
>> I asked you to provide evidence that "foundation" has the meaning you
>> claim. You apparently don't have any.
>>
>
> I told you how you can look it up for yourself.
So you don't have any evidence - it was presumably just another lie. What
kind of god needs you to lie for him/her/it?
>
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>
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monkfish
Is this the best you can do?
Your message is all about you, isn't it?
Are you too proud to beg for the help of the Holy Spirit?
--
monkfish
monkfish
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
> <><
>
> What we are teaching to prepare folks for the probable eventuality of
> a deadlier Pan-Flu:
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Pan-Flu
>
> How to not be fearful:
> http://T3WiJ.com
Fear-mongering?
Much better to pray "Lord, help us" constantly in private.
--
monkfish
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>
> Truth is reality:
>
Sounds like one of the slogans from 1984.
But "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD" as "Big Brother" is disgusting.
--
Virgil
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>
> What we are teaching to prepare folks for the probable eventuality of
> a deadlier Pan-Flu
Does not even parse.
--
Virgil
Ken
> In article <i3mo45hb74gu7f1sa466cftgkt6ltke...@4ax.com>,
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Truth is reality:
>
> Sounds like one of the slogans from 1984.
>
> But "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD" as "Big Brother" is disgusting.
>
> --
> Virgil
While Chung's ignorance borders on the infinite
Peter B.
>> woman of
>> beauty and high intellect and show her to you for what a true partner
>> would be like, but you would not be interested in her at all because
>> you
>> are queer. and you would continue to stand by your man.
>
> LMAO You have really lost it now haven't you. Why do you find it
> necessary to lie for your god? I am glad that I have no belief in a
> god like yours. It would be insufferable to have to lie like you are
> just to please him.
>
See, I snipped all the rest to bring out the point that you do not
comprehend what little you read.
This is why no further communication is necessary between you and me.
Nothing in my statement here could be construed as a lie, or a lie for a
god. I never read the rest of the poet, by eyes for whatever reason
jumped to this.
May the scales fall from your eyes that the Truth be revealed.
Blinky Bill
>
> "Blinky Bill" <nos...@anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:h2i8rf$nt4$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Peter B." <in...@i-brag.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a4c...@news.x-privat.org...
>>>
>>> To help clarify it for you it is like this. I can take a virtous woman
>>> of
>>> beauty and high intellect and show her to you for what a true partner
>>> would be like, but you would not be interested in her at all because you
>>> are queer. and you would continue to stand by your man.
>>
>> LMAO You have really lost it now haven't you. Why do you find it
>> necessary to lie for your god? I am glad that I have no belief in a god
>> like yours. It would be insufferable to have to lie like you are just to
>> please him.
>>
>
> See, I snipped all the rest to bring out the point that you do not
> comprehend what little you read.
In reality because you cannot support any claims you have made or rebut any
I have made. In your deperation and rage your god inspired you to make a
completely unfounded personal attack on me based on an untruth
>
> This is why no further communication is necessary between you and me.
You can choose that outcome if you wish.
> Nothing in my statement here could be construed as a lie, or a lie for a
> god.
What evidence do you have to support your claim "you are a queer".
> I never read the rest of the poet,
My impression is that you seldom read anything and understand it, so not
much has changed. B ut the fact that you close your eyes to the truth
doesn't surprise me.
>by eyes for whatever reason jumped to this.
So you thought your lie and personal attack was your best work - that
doesn't surprise me. Doubtless your god is pleased with your efforts.
>
> May the scales fall from your eyes that the Truth be revealed.
The truth of your god has been revealed - he inspires you to lie and slander
in his name.
Religion is regarded by the common people
as true, by the wise as false, and by the
rulers as useful. -- Seneca the Younger
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Truth is reality ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
... despite your efforts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3160f9fd903ab7c2?
There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD soften your heart, Ken, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/T3Book
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
life post-haste:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/41c249af3016b2dd?
There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD soften your heart, Monkfish, so that you would come to trust
the truth, Who is Jesus ...
... before you die.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/T3Book
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
life post-haste:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/41c249af3016b2dd?
There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD soften your heart, Monkfish, so that you would come to trust
the truth, Who is Jesus ...
... before you die.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/T3Book
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>>
>
>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> ...
>
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Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/T3Book
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
monkfish
> Would continue to suggest that you, Monkfish, clean up things in your
> life post-haste:
Still trying to deceived the Holy Spirit in you?
Better pray "Lord, help me" a lot.
--
monkfish
monkfish
> Would continue to suggest that you, Monkfish, clean up things in your
> life post-haste:
Dear Lord, help the clueless, please.
--
monkfish
monkfish
> David Silverman, while tormented by satan, despairingly posted:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>>>
>>
>>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>
>> ...
>>
>>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
> deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
>
> May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
Lord, help us, please.
--
monkfish
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>
> There is joy in being used by GOD
Not for those of us who dislike being used.
--
Virgil
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>
> Sad to note that Chung's tormenting you
Then quit doing it, you son of Satan.
--
Virgil
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
> Would continue to suggest that you, Monkfish, clean up things in your
> life post-haste
AS Monkfish's life is already infinitely cleaner than CHUNG's, Chung
would do better to follow his own advice first, and give such advice to
others only when he has cleaned up his own life.
--
Virgil
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>
> Truth is reality ...
Truth is something to which "ANDREW B. CHUNG, MD/PHD" has no access,
since he lives with so many delusions.
--
Virgil
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > David Silverman, while tormented by satan, despairingly posted:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
> >>>
> >>
> >>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> >
> > Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
> > deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
> >
> > May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
>
> Lord, help us, please.
Monkfish, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with His help?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
Sanity's Little Helper
Prayer is futile,nobody's listening. Try praying in one hand and shitting
in the other, and see which one fills up first.
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
God (n) A casual and intellectually sparse rationalisation of nerve
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> David Silverman, while tormented by satan, despairingly posted:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>>>
>>
>>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>
>> ...
>>
>>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
> deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
>
I detect humour!
> May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
I live in the UK, he can't afford the petrol :-)
Sanity's Little Helper
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Which one? Mandelson?
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> David Silverman, while tormented by satan, despairingly posted:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>
>>> Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
>>> deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
>>>
>>> May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
>>
>> Lord, help us, please.
>
> Monkfish, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with His help?
Andrew, can you publicly say "Mary had a little lamb"?
monkfish
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > David Silverman, while tormented by satan, despairingly posted:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>> >>
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>> >
>> > Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
>> > deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
>> >
>> > May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
>>
>> Lord, help us, please.
>
> Monkfish, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with His help?
Can you hear the Holy Spirit in you groaning?
monkfish
> It is an ancient monkfish <monkfish@nowhere>, and he posteth:
>
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>> Would continue to suggest that you, Monkfish, clean up things in your
>>> life post-haste:
>>
>>
>> Still trying to deceived the Holy Spirit in you?
>> Better pray "Lord, help me" a lot.
>
> Prayer is futile,nobody's listening. Try praying in one hand and shitting
> in the other, and see which one fills up first.
Never prayed for the health of your loved ones?
What an impoverished life!
--
monkfish
monkfish
> It is an ancient monkfish <monkfish@nowhere>, and he posteth:
>
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>> David Silverman, while tormented by satan, despairingly posted:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>
>>> Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
>>> deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
>>>
>>> May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
>>
>>
>> Lord, help us, please.
>
> Which one? Mandelson?
What are you willing to do to find out?
--
monkfish
monkfish
> It is an ancient "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>, and he
> posteth:
>
>> monkfish wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> David Silverman, while tormented by satan, despairingly posted:
>>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>>
>>>> Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
>>>> deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
>>>>
>>>> May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
>>>
>>> Lord, help us, please.
>>
>> Monkfish, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with His help?
>
> Andrew, can you publicly say "Mary had a little lamb"?
You are lost.
Too proud to ask for directions?
Just say "Help me, please."
--
monkfish
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sad to note that you can't answer with a written affirmative whether
you can publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with GOD's help.
Why is GOD not helping you if you have been asking Him to help you
publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of WDJW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_does_Jesus_want%3F
Thommadura
Things that do not exist - do not make noises either
monkfish
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> monkfish wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> > David Silverman, while tormented by satan, despairingly posted:
>>>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>> >
>>>> > Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
>>>> > deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
>>>> >
>>>> > May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
>>>>
>>>> Lord, help us, please.
>>>
>>> Monkfish, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with His help?
>>
>> Can you hear the Holy Spirit in you groaning?
>
> Sad to note that you can't answer with a written affirmative whether
> you can publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with GOD's help.
>
> Why is GOD not helping you if you have been asking Him to help you
> publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Dear Lord, Jesus Christ, help us overcome our unbelief!
Mark 9:24 (New International Version)
[quote]
24Immediately the boy's father exclaimed,
"I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!"
[/quote]
--
monkfish
monkfish
You are not just God-blind.
You are God-deaf as well.
Do you have a conscience?
--
monkfish
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
news:4a4e0acc$0$27639$ce5e...@news-radius.ptd.net...
Virgil
<9a45cfa2-fd60-4265...@b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> Monkfish, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with His help?
Who "He"?
--
Virgil
Virgil
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WIJ.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Sad to note that satan's tormenting has resulted in severe sleep
> >>> > deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
So take a pill, Andy, and get rested.
> >>> >
> >>> > May GOD drive satan out of you, Andy.
> Sad to note that Andy can't answer with a written affirmative whether
> Andy can publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with GOD's help.
>
> Why is GOD not helping Andy if Andy has been asking Him for help ?
>
> Love in bloom,
>
> Andrew >< >< ><
--
Virgil
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic at any time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks in our local communities for the
probable eventuality of a deadlier Pan-Flu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
monkfish
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?
> <><
> "The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
> LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
You really should stop trying to become like God.
Did Jesus Christ come with power?
--
monkfish
John Locke
<disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>David Silverman, while tormented by satan, despairingly posted:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b63cd9e98f1328f?
>>>
>>
>>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>
>> ...
>>
>>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>Sad to note that satan's tormenting you has resulted in severe sleep
>deprivation leading to extreme daytime somnolence.
>
>May GOD drive satan out of you, David.
>
May an exorcist drive "God" out of you.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Repent and sin no more.
"That is automatic for those of us who are true Christians (either Jew
or gentile) when we are mindful of WDJW which would not even be
possible were we not born again of water and Spirit in accord with
John 3:5 ... "
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/58968a99786b6733?
Would continue to suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-haste:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/41c249af3016b2dd?
There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD soften your heart, Monkfish, so that you would come to trust
the truth, Who is Jesus ...
... before you die.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/T3Book