Re: Choosing a new doctor

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 16, 2011, 2:57:46 AM12/16/11
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Kulin Remailer wrote:
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> I am trying my hardest to find a way to choose a new doctor.
>
> First I do a background check on any license complaints, what medical
> school doctor attended (Harvard is best I have found, but not always),
> how old is he/she, reviews on the web, photos if available, etc.
> Sometimes I call the office to ask the staff about the doctor.
>
> I look for someone who actually LISTENS and REMEMBERS what you have
> said. Someone who allows educated patient participation in the treatment
> plan. Someone that gives a damn about patients. A staff that is not a
> bunch of chickens with their heads cut off.
>
> What do you look for? And, more importantly what do you ASK the doctor
> on before or during the first appointment.
>
> I find none of my methods work very well and am of the opinion the
> medical system/doctors in my city STINK for the most part. The main
> problem is they do not seem to value the quality of the patient/doctor
> relationship and they DO NOT LISTEN. Or maybe it's my weak insurance,
> they don't want to help me. I don't know, very frustrating.

Physicians suffering from the "hunger is starvation" delusion cannot
really listen to what their patients are saying because they are
impaired by the delusion.

Physicians not saying "wonderfully hungry" when you ask them "How are
you?" are thusly impaired and should be avoided.

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?

Ken

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Dec 16, 2011, 10:33:11 AM12/16/11
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Andy Chung, MF/POS/SOP/PITA/BS
Qualified in all forms of Quackshittery

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 16, 2011, 9:50:59 PM12/16/11
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... and encouraging born-again (John 3:3 & 5) friends like Rod Eastman
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Ken simply because we really love
him as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all glory to GOD the
Father.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/42797e450fd691c1?

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

ken

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Dec 16, 2011, 11:17:17 PM12/16/11
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But a QUACK like Andy Chung, MF/POS/SOP/PITA/BS, qualified in all
forms of Quackshittery sure would!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 16, 2011, 11:26:08 PM12/16/11
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... and encouraging born-again (John 3:3 & 5) friends like Rod Eastman
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Ken simply because we really love
him as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all glory to GOD the
Father.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/42797e450fd691c1?

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 17, 2011, 2:44:32 AM12/17/11
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

> we

Andrew, you need to make that "we" into becoming a part of a real life
fellowship of mainstream orthodox Christians who avidly study the
Bible. You'll have to let go of a lot of your personal subjective
self-
serving interpretations of Scripture and the nature of the Farther and
the Holy Spirit to maintain your fellowship with them, but you'll be
so much better off in the long run.

Let go of being the kind of person described in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfcEWZceWhI
and start becoming a real Christian, instead of a messed up loner.

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 17, 2011, 2:46:54 AM12/17/11
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On Dec 15, 11:57 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

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> Physicians suffering from the "hunger is starvation" delusion

According to Andrew, most everyone is delusional and lacks discernment
because they don't follow his crackpot notions.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 17, 2011, 2:56:34 AM12/17/11
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someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:

> Wouldn't it be interesting to see Andy provide a concise, link free,
> straightforward explanation of precisely why this person's name was
> blotted from God's Book of Life?

The reason is simply your lying by writing/saying that "hunger is
starvation" to someone in the Holy Spirit is lying to the Holy Spirit:

"Then Peter (in the Holy Spirit) said, 'Ananias, how is it that satan
has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and
have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold,
wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a
thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to GOD.' When
Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all
who heard what had happened." (Acts 5:3-5)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29b32e2446470998?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> <burp> we had a Thanksgiving buffet at the fellowship I attend Sunday
> eve, and I'm still feeling the effects.
>
> I'd like to see Doc Andy at one of those, holding up the line by
> weighing each portion of turkey and trimmings while making his
> calculations

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52ff4b8b4947454c?

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) weighs his meal (not
individual food items) right before giving thanks to the LORD for the
**amount** in ounces that He has provided and concluding by saying
"Jesus Christ is LORD" so that all would be encouraged that this is
being done in the Holy Spirit on a daily basis:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/WDJW/196255898065

Just as the "hunger is starvation" lie (Genesis 25:32) caused Esau to
be accursed (Malachi 1:2-3) to the Nth generation so that they've all
been blotted out of GOD's Book of Life the same has happened to
you ...

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29c54da667a5fa0f?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Mark Peterson wrote:
> >
> > > I crave sweets and sugars.
> >
> > That is normal.
> >
> > It is normal to desire to eat things that are sweet.
> >
> > > I am a chocoholic.
> >
> > That comes from confusing your desire to eat chocolate with the need
> > to eat it.
> >
> > Desire never becomes need.
> >
> > > What are your best tips for curing cravings for carbs and
> > > sweets?
> >
> > There is no need to cure that which is normal.
>
> Something which is normal, doesn't keep it from being harmful.

Something that is normal is not a disease to be cured.

> Being a "chocoholic" is a behavior problem.

Being a "chocoholic" is not normal and is disease arising from the
delusional thinking that desire for chocolate indicates a need for
chocolate. Only the renewing (Ephesians 4:23) of the mind by the
Spirit of Truth can cure this mental problem.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5e738acf4937c79b?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote on
the subject line of a post on 12/4/2011:

"Chung can't say 'Jesus is Lord'"

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5d8f31bfe437fc67?

If that were true, there wouldn't be an updated outgoing cellphone
voicemail message for today (12/4/2011) with this physician (
http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) quoting 1 Corinthians 12:3 for all to
witness :-)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7bc656c9738f0cec?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> > ... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
>
> The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked
> (Jeremiah 17:9)

Hence, mind, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ( http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit
), over the heart.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/354ffd3ca8c22eca?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

> > > "For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading
> > > as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for satan himself masquerades
> > > as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants
> > > also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what
> > > their actions deserve" (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
> >
> > According to what is written in the Bible, apostles, either true or
> > false, are Jewish and not Chinese. The original 12 Apostles were Jewish.
>
> Wrong. The Apostle Luke was a Gentile (cf. Colossians 4:10-14)

Apostle Paul writing "Luke, the doctor" (Colossians 4:14) is not his
writing "Luke, the Apostle." Moreover, Luke was Greek and not Chinese
making 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 not applicable to this **Chinese**
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) even if Luke were an Apostle of
Christ.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aa0db022a9a46d77?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> Only Satan would try to lull people into a false assurance of
> Salvation in Jesus Christ, by claiming it's summed up in someone's
> ability to parrot the second half of a Bible verse.

Only those who work for satan would claim they know what satan would
do.

It is written that the deceived like you would be deceiving others,
going from bad to worse (2 Timothy 3:13).

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) has the experience of
training parrots to speak and has discovered that they cannot say
"Jesus is LORD" with their mouth (Romans 10:9) much less the entirety
of the second half of 1 Corinthians 12:3.

Thus, you have been caught in another lie.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/06fa5c7ff7727403?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> The charlatan Christian says, "The fact that I can quote the words
> written in 1 Corinthians 12:3b, proves that I'm a genuine Christian".

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/524c5702d8c4db06?

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) has not witnessed anyone
saying that.

Instead, what he has witnessed is born-again (John 3:3 & 5) Christians
saying "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1
Corinthians 12:3)

> But remember that Satan also quoted Scripture (Psalm 91:11) in Matthew
> 4:5-6

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/Healer ) remembers Jesus Christ of
Nazareth pointing out that satan cannot call Him LORD (Matthew 4:7)
for if he could, he would have prefaced with "LORD, if You are the Son
of GOD ..." in Matthew 4:6.

> and that one of his servants can just as easily quote 1
> Corinthians 12:3b.

Actually, you cannot just as your master (satan) cannot for "no one
can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Corinthians
12:3).

May GOD ever so severely curse you and all around you to the Nth
generation, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Bottom line concerning you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be51c482109ff735?

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 17, 2011, 3:23:30 AM12/17/11
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> "Anyone can say 'Jesus is LORD'" -- A false Bible teacher cited by
> someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life.

My close involvement with mainstream orthodox Biblically literate
Christian fellowships, let's me know that Andrew B. Chung is a lone
raving crackpot. Andrew needs help. As everyone has told Andrew for
years, Andrew is a very sick individual. The fact that Andrew B. Chung
is unable to regularly *normally* participate in the type of Christian
fellowship listed above, without being rejected, proves that Andrew B.
Chung is not a member of the Body of Christ.

Just as the human body rejects a harmful foreign object that has
entered it, The Body of Christ rejected Andrew B. Chung when he
entered amongst them. Andrew B. Chung is not one of us. Andrew B.
Chung false. A false loner as described below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfcEWZceWhI

I will value the evaluations of the real Christians I fellowship with
six times a week, and thus reject the evaluation of a lone crackpot
charlatan.

Brian Gene Kelley: Accepted by and a part of mainstream orthodox
Biblically literate Christian fellowships.

Andrew Ben-Hua Chung: Rejected by mainstream orthodox Biblically
literate Christian fellowships and a loner.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 17, 2011, 7:33:33 AM12/17/11
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"Anyone can say 'Jesus is LORD'" -- A false Bible teacher cited by
someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life.

Source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzNu5bC5hT0

"No one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." -- Apostle
Paul (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Verification of 1 Corinthians 12:3 by a gentile Christian disciple ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo53axJ4x1o

(Though the above featured religiously Christian children wanted to
say 'Jesus is LORD' for extra pieces of candy, they could not because
they needed to be born again per John 3:3 & 5 to become new creatures
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by GOD per 2 Corinthians 5:17 so that He
would be their GOD per Ezekiel 11:19-20 & 36:26 and they would be His
children)

May GOD ever so severely curse to the Nth generation all who grieve
His Holy Spirit by falsely teaching that "Anyone can say 'Jesus is
LORD'" in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

"Deaf-mutes obviously can't say anything much less say 'Jesus is LORD'
except by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the statement 'Anyone can say
"Jesus is LORD"' has been logically proven to be false since anyone
would include deaf-mutes." -- gentile Christian disciple in the Holy
Spirit

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote on
11/27/11:
>
> Claire and I are going to be in church tomorrow, Android er, Andrew.
> How about you?

Those of us who are ever mindful of WDJW ( http://WDJW.net ), both
thinking/saying/writing **and** doing what the LORD wants with all
glory to GOD the Father are in His Church (Matthew 16:18) all the time
even as we now write and post on Usenet.

As for going to a church building to tithe and to edify by truthfully
saying "wonderfully hungry" (Luke 6:21a) whenever greeted, this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) is guided by the Holy Spirit
( http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ) indwelling in his mind to do that this
morning (11/27/11) instead of tomorrow (11/28/11).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/84eebdc7b620bc33?

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 17, 2011, 8:48:28 AM12/17/11
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> "Anyone can say 'Jesus is LORD'" -- A false Bible teacher

Per Andrew B. Chung's claim, since the Bible teacher said "Jesus is
Lord" he must have been speaking through the Holy Spirit, therefore
the teacher's statement must be true :-)

> cited by someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life.

If Andrew B. Chung were more Biblically literate, he'd know the
proper title is, the "Lamb's Book of Life" (Rev. 21:27)

According to Andrew B. Chung's misinterpretation of 1 Cor 12:3, since
this person can say "Jesus is Lord" as evidenced by updated outgoing
cellphone voicemail message for today with this person quoting 1
Corinthians 12:3 for all to witness, his soul is saved.
But Andrew B. Chung often contradicts his misinterpretations, proving
them incorrect i.e. Andrew B. Chung's contradictory claims of "a
corporal demon" vs "demons are non-corporeal" etc.

Furthermore, this someone's close involvement with mainstream orthodox
Biblically literate Christian fellowships, let's him know that Andrew
B. Chung is a lone raving crackpot. That Andrew needs help. As
everyone has told Andrew for years, Andrew is a very sick individual.
The fact that Andrew B. Chung is unable to regularly *normally*
participate in the type of Christian fellowship listed above, without
being rejected, proves that Andrew B. Chung is not a member of the
Body of Christ. If Andrew B. Chung were more Biblically literate, he'd
know the proper title is, the "Lamb's Book of Life" Rev. 21:27

Just as the human body rejects a harmful foreign object that has
entered it, The Body of Christ rejected Andrew B. Chung when he
entered amongst them. Andrew B. Chung is not one of us. Andrew B.
Chung is false. A false loner as described below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfcEWZceWhI

> Actually, you cannot...say "Jesus is Lord"

If that were true, there wouldn't be an updated outgoing cellphone
voicemail message for today with this person quoting 1 Corinthians
12:3 for all to
witness :-)

I will continue value the evaluations of the real Christians I
fellowship with six times a week, and thus reject the evaluation of a
lone crackpot charlatan. This is why it is important that us true
Christians regularly participate in a mainstream orthodox fellowship
of Biblically literate true Christians. When you fellowship with those
who are genuine Christians on a regular basis, you can easily spot a
charlatan crackpot and dismiss his nonsense, no matter how much
misinterpreted Scripture he uses.

Remember that Satan also quoted Scripture (Psalm 91:11) in Matthew
4:5-6
>
> This physician remembers Jesus Christ of
> Nazareth pointing out that satan cannot call Him LORD (Matthew 4:7)
> for if he could, he would have prefaced with "LORD, if You are the Son
> of GOD ..." in Matthew 4:6.

Once again, Andrew B. Chung contradicts himself as evidenced by his
claim that calling Jesus "Lord" is not the same as saying "Jesus is
Lord" in response to: "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord,
did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons,
and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to
them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE
LAWLESSNESS.' (Matthew 7:22-23).

Andrew B. Chung constantly editing his misinterpretations and
contradicting himself.

And furthermore according to Andrew B. Chung's misinterpretations,
"DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS." Jesus was supposedly
"shrieking" those words.

Summery:

Brian Gene Kelley: Accepted by and a part of mainstream orthodox
Biblically literate Christian fellowships.

Andrew Ben-Hua Chung: Rejected by mainstream orthodox Biblically
literate Christian fellowships and a loner.

Only Satan and his minions would try to lull people into a false
assurance of Salvation in Jesus Christ, by claiming it's summed up in
someone's ability to parrot the second half of a Bible verse. Or that
someone's ability to do so, supposedly proves them to be a genuine
Christian.

What you need to know about Satan's little helpers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfcEWZceWhI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzNu5bC5hT0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w

Q: Does the Bible say we can tell if someone is or isn't a Christian
by whether or not they will say "Jesus is Lord?"

A: People who teach that this is a litmus test for someone being a
true disciple of Christ, that the person saying the words is saved,
are clearly misunderstanding a certain verse and the context in which
it is being used. The verse is found in 1 Corinthians 12:3 and says,
"Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of
God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except
by the Holy Spirit." (NKJV)

However, I believe the Living Bible, in this instance, actually words
the verse in the way Paul intended. It says, "...no one can say,
"Jesus is Lord", AND REALLY MEAN IT, unless the Holy Spirit is helping
him (emphasis mine).

In context, Paul is speaking about how to recognize FALSE TEACHERS.

He is *not* saying a false teacher is unable to say the words "Jesus
is Lord".

On the contrary, this happens numerous times each day. You would be
amazed at how many times I personally have witnessed false
teachers,false Christians, repeating the words written in 1 Cor 12:3b.
A
cultist for example i.e. Latter Day Saints, will confess "Jesus is
Lord" but, but go on to teach about a Jesus that is totally than the
Jesus of the Bible, as Paul gave warning about in Galatians 1:6-12.

What Paul is saying in 1 Corinthians 12:3b is, that we will recognize
a false teacher, not because he can or can't say the exact words
"Jesus is Lord", but because his teaching will not be consistent with
the teachings in the Bible that tells us who Jesus truly is.

As stated above, "he won't really mean" what he has confessed, because
his false teachings will give him away.

There are thousands (likely millions) of people who have called upon
the Lord while repeating a prayer given to them to repeat to be saved
(Romans 10:13) and said the words "Jesus is Lord", and yet remain
unsaved.

Why?

Because salvation is more than just repeating words. It is about
actually truly believing that Jesus is LORD. It is about believing
that He arose from the dead (Romans 10:9)

It is about confessing that we are sinners who are in need of a
Savior.

It is about trusting in Jesus alone and surrendering our life to Him,
as our Lord.

... Finally it is about REPENTANCE. That is where the problem comes in
for many who are persuaded to say the words "Jesus is Lord". They say
the words, but are unwilling to turn away from the sins they've asked
to be saved from, and to go in an opposite new direction away from
those sins.

Jesus also gave us two parables in the Bible that we need to keep in
mind.
In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord,
Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of
My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord,
have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and
done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them,
I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice
lawlessness!" (NKJV)

Notice, these people who are calling Jesus "Lord". The prophesied,
cast out demons, and did wonderful works using the name of Jesus as
Lord. However, Jesus says, He never knew them, and likewise, they
never knew Him. They called Him Lord, but didn't really surrender to
His Lordship. They were false"Christians".False disciples, teachers,
prophets and apostles, pretending to be of Christ.

The same is true of the "Parable of the Ten Virgins" found in Matthew
25:1-13.

Half of the virgins confessed Jesus as "Lord", but were not allowed
into the wedding banquet. Jesus said to then as well, "I do not know
you." (NKJV)

Friend, I have seen people try over and over to persuade someone to
just repeat after them, the words "Jesus is Lord", to test weather or
not that person is a Christian and has salvation. We should not not be
making that judgement call based on if someone simply repeats the
words. We should be testing their words and actions against everything
the Bible says a Christian is. And it says a lot about it for example,
the books of 1 and 2 John also give you a list of things to look out
for "so that you may know that you have eternal life." (1 John 5:13).

and

http://www.gods-word-first.org/jesus-christ/say-jesus-is-lord.html

and

http://jesusalive.cc/ques76.htm

and

http://biblecommenter.com/1_corinthians/12-3.htm

and

http://www.faithalone.org/news/y1993/93jan3.html

and

http://www.godvine.com/bible/1-Corinthians/12-3

and

http://www.plowcreek.org/meditation04.htm

and

http://gospelway.com/bible/jesus_real_lord.php

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 17, 2011, 9:08:22 AM12/17/11
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Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 17, 2011, 1:10:12 PM12/17/11
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD loner @ misinterpretation.error
someone who likes to make stuff up wrote:

> someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't it be interesting to see Andy provide a concise, link free,
> > straightforward explanation of precisely why this person's name was
> > blotted from God's Book of Life?
>
> The reason is simply your lying by writing/saying that "hunger is
> starvation" to someone in the Holy Spirit is lying to the Holy Spirit:

LOL! Ridiculous! Wouldn't it be interesting to see Andy provide a word
for word corroboration of that absurd interpretation from a genuine
evangelical Christian theologian, Bible scholar, Bible teacher who's
considered to be credible within mainstream reformed Christianity?

William Tyndale?
Jonathan Edwards?
John Wesley?
George Whitefield?
Charles Spurgeon?
Dwight L. Moody?
Karl Barth?
A. W. Tozer?
C.S. Lewis?
Merrill Unger?
F. F. Bruce?
Francis Schaeffer?
Bruce Metzger?
Gleason Archer?
James Kennedy?
Jerry Falwell?
James Montgomery Boice?
Greg Bahnsen?
Gregory Beale
Craig Blomberg?
John Frame?
Norman Geisler?
Andreas Kostenberger?
Richard Longenecker?
John Warwick Montgomery?
J. P. Moreland?
J. I. Packer?
Andrew Purves?
Miroslav Volf?
Stephen H. Webb?
Edwin M. Yamauchi?
Ravi Zacharias?
Alistair Begg?
Billy Graham?
Walter Martin?
Hank Hanegraaff?
Jack Hayford?
John MacArthur?
Chuck Smith?
Charles Stanley?
Robert Young?
Joseph Rotherham?
Thomas Nelson?
R.K. Harrison?
Ronald Youngblood?
Kermit Ecklebarger?
James Strong?
C.I. Scofield?

(A few names collected from my personal library)

Anyone, anyone at all, other than Andrew B. Chung and what he
personally solely claims supposedly comes from the Bible and
supposedly comes to him from the Holy Spirit?

To avoid being influenced by false doctrine is, number one:
Be on guard against a loner when it comes to Biblical interpretation.
People who say that they have the truth and they're alone in it and
they're creating new ideas. A lone individual who claims to have some
kind of revelation which is actually false doctrine blended with
truth. We have to be careful of these individuals who claim to have
the Holy Spirit, but they are out of harmony with historic true
doctrine.

Second, become a good student of Scripture... with other Bible
studying Christians. Not alone only. It's not wrong to study the
Scriptures alone, but studying with other Bible studying Christians,
interacting with other Bible studying Christians, mentors, on full
time regular basis, in order to avoid some kind of strange
interpretation of Scripture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfcEWZceWhI


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 17, 2011, 6:49:51 PM12/17/11
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someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

> > "Anyone can say 'Jesus is LORD'" -- A false Bible teacher
>
> Per Andrew B. Chung's claim, since the Bible teacher said "Jesus is
> Lord" he must have been speaking through the Holy Spirit, therefore
> the teacher's statement must be true.

No, just "Jesus is LORD" is true and cannot be said without the
intervention of the Holy Spirit for it is written "no one can say
'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/df7a5678ad7dcd7f?

"Anyone can say 'Jesus is LORD'" -- A false Bible teacher cited by
someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life.

If that were true, there wouldn't be an updated outgoing cellphone
voicemail message for today (12/4/2011) with this physician (
http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) quoting 1 Corinthians 12:3 for all to
witness :-)
someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> Only Satan would try to lull people into a false assurance of
> Salvation in Jesus Christ, by claiming it's summed up in someone's
> ability to parrot the second half of a Bible verse.

Only those who work for satan would claim they know what satan would
do.

It is written that the deceived like you would be deceiving others,
going from bad to worse (2 Timothy 3:13).

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) has the experience of
training parrots to speak and has discovered that they cannot say
"Jesus is LORD" with their mouth (Romans 10:9) much less the entirety
of the second half of 1 Corinthians 12:3.

Thus, you have been caught in another lie.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/06fa5c7ff7727403?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> The charlatan Christian says, "The fact that I can quote the words
> written in 1 Corinthians 12:3b, proves that I'm a genuine Christian".

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/524c5702d8c4db06?

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) has not witnessed anyone
saying that.

Instead, what he has witnessed is born-again (John 3:3 & 5) Christians
saying "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1
Corinthians 12:3)

> But remember that Satan also quoted Scripture (Psalm 91:11) in Matthew
> 4:5-6

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/Healer ) remembers Jesus Christ of
Nazareth pointing out that satan cannot call Him LORD (Matthew 4:7)
for if he could, he would have prefaced with "LORD, if You are the Son
of GOD ..." in Matthew 4:6.

ken

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Dec 17, 2011, 10:18:00 PM12/17/11
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Chung again proves Einstein correct when he said.... "Insanity: doing
the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 18, 2011, 12:46:05 AM12/18/11
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD loner @ misinterpretation.error
someone who likes to make stuff up wrote:

> someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:

If Andrew B. Chung were more Biblically literate, he'd know the proper
title is, the "Lamb's Book of Life" (Rev. 21:27) Therefore his false
claim is easily dismissed on that basis alone.

However, according to Andrew B. Chung's misinterpretation of 1 Cor
12:3, since this person can say "Jesus is Lord" as evidenced by
updated outgoing cellphone voicemail message for today with this
person quoting 1 Corinthians 12:3 for all to witness, his soul is
saved :-)

> > Wouldn't it be interesting to see Andy provide a concise, link free,
> > straightforward explanation of precisely why this person's name was
> > blotted from God's Book of Life?
>
> The reason is simply your lying by writing/saying that "hunger is
> starvation" to someone in the Holy Spirit is lying to the Holy Spirit:

LOL! Ridiculous! Wouldn't it be interesting to see Andy provide a word
for word corroboration of that absurd interpretation from a genuine
evangelical Christian theologian, Bible scholar, Bible teacher who's
considered to be credible within mainstream reformed Christianity?

William Tyndale?
Jonathan Edwards?
John Wesley?
George Whitefield?
Charles Spurgeon?
Dwight L. Moody?
Karl Barth?
A. W. Tozer?
C.S. Lewis?
Merrill Unger?
F. F. Bruce?
Francis Schaeffer?
Bruce Metzger?
Gleason Archer?
James Kennedy?
Jerry Falwell?
James Montgomery Boice?
Greg Bahnsen?
Gregory Beale?
Anyone, anyone at all, other than Andrew B. Chung (or another
similar kook like Andrew's lacky partner, Courtney "MU" Brown)
and what he personally solely misinterprets from Scripture and claims

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 18, 2011, 2:12:33 AM12/18/11
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someone whose name has been blotted (Deu 29:20) from GOD's Book (Deu
someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:

> Wouldn't it be interesting to see Andy provide a concise, link free,
> straightforward explanation of precisely why this person's name was
> blotted from God's Book of Life?

The reason is simply your lying by writing/saying that "hunger is
starvation" to someone in the Holy Spirit is lying to the Holy Spirit:

"Then Peter (in the Holy Spirit) said, 'Ananias, how is it that satan
has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and
have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold,
wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a
thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to GOD.' When
Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all
who heard what had happened." (Acts 5:3-5)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29b32e2446470998?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> <burp> we had a Thanksgiving buffet at the fellowship I attend Sunday
> eve, and I'm still feeling the effects.
>
> I'd like to see Doc Andy at one of those, holding up the line by
> weighing each portion of turkey and trimmings while making his
> calculations

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52ff4b8b4947454c?

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) weighs his meal (not
individual food items) right before giving thanks to the LORD for the
**amount** in ounces that He has provided and concluding by saying
"Jesus Christ is LORD" so that all would be encouraged that this is
being done in the Holy Spirit on a daily basis:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/WDJW/196255898065

Just as the "hunger is starvation" lie (Genesis 25:32) caused Esau to
be accursed (Malachi 1:2-3) to the Nth generation so that they've all
been blotted out of GOD's Book of Life the same has happened to
you ...

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29c54da667a5fa0f?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> > ... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
>
> The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked
> (Jeremiah 17:9)

Hence, mind, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ( http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit
), over the heart.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/354ffd3ca8c22eca?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

> > > "For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading
> > > as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for satan himself masquerades
> > > as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants
> > > also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what
> > > their actions deserve" (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
> >
> > According to what is written in the Bible, apostles, either true or
> > false, are Jewish and not Chinese. The original 12 Apostles were Jewish.
>
> Wrong. The Apostle Luke was a Gentile (cf. Colossians 4:10-14)

Apostle Paul writing "Luke, the doctor" (Colossians 4:14) is not his
writing "Luke, the Apostle." Moreover, Luke was Greek and not Chinese
making 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 not applicable to this **Chinese**
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) even if Luke were an Apostle of
Christ.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aa0db022a9a46d77?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> Only Satan would try to lull people into a false assurance of
> Salvation in Jesus Christ, by claiming it's summed up in someone's
> ability to parrot the second half of a Bible verse.

Only those who work for satan would claim they know what satan would
do.

It is written that the deceived like you would be deceiving others,
going from bad to worse (2 Timothy 3:13).

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) has the experience of
training parrots to speak and has discovered that they cannot say
"Jesus is LORD" with their mouth (Romans 10:9) much less the entirety
of the second half of 1 Corinthians 12:3.

Thus, you have been caught in another lie.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/06fa5c7ff7727403?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>

Pendrag0n

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Dec 18, 2011, 4:56:10 AM12/18/11
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:46:05 -0800 (PST), Brian Gene Kelley
<metali...@gmail.com> wrote:


The obsession with letter for letter theology misses the entire
purpose of Christianity by a mile. I suggest all of you obsessive
compulsives get a life and start living the word instead of talking
about it.

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 18, 2011, 5:26:44 AM12/18/11
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On Dec 18, 1:56 am, Pendrag0n <nom...@thnx.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:46:05 -0800 (PST), Brian Gene Kelley
>
> <metalicstu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The obsession with letter for letter theology misses the entire
> purpose of Christianity by a mile.

Being within the scope of mainstream historical orthodox theology, by
no means indicates a letter for letter theology. However, true
Christianity requires staying within the bounds of sound orthodox
Biblical Christian doctrine. Not letter for letter, but within bounds.

> I suggest all of you obsessive
> compulsives get a life and start living the word instead of talking
> about it.

I suggest that people learn about it, with others, before they attempt
to live by what they've failed to properly learn. Living by what you
think the Bible says, is not the same as living by what it actually
says.

What you call "obsessive compulsive" is actually a recognition of
boundaries.

What you're suggesting is pure liberalism with no boundaries
whatsoever.

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 18, 2011, 5:40:53 AM12/18/11
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On Dec 18, 2:26 am, Brian Gene Kelley <metalicstu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 1:56 am, Pendrag0n <nom...@thnx.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:46:05 -0800 (PST), Brian Gene Kelley
>
> > <metalicstu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The obsession with letter for letter theology misses the entire
> > purpose of Christianity by a mile.
>
> Being within the scope of mainstream historical orthodox theology, by
> no means indicates a letter for letter theology. However, true
> Christianity requires staying  within the bounds of sound orthodox
> Biblical Christian doctrine. Not letter for letter, but within bounds.

I will add, that someone who spouts off a unique interpretation of
what the Bible says, should be able to cite at least one genuine
evangelical Christian theologian, Bible scholar, Bible teacher who's
considered to be credible within mainstream reformed Christianity, who
solidly backs up his interpretation word for word.

If it's a legitimate interpretation, he should be able to cite not
just one, but many
genuine evangelical Christian theologians, Bible scholars, Bible
teachers who are considered to be credible within mainstream reformed
Christianity, who solidly back up his interpretation.

That's how you sort true doctrine and interpretation from crackpot
gobbledygook.


Pendrag0n

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Dec 18, 2011, 6:40:10 AM12/18/11
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Jesus never quoted chapter and verse to us, so why should anyone else.
In fact he had contempt for those who religiously stuck to laws and
regulation. Even so he sought to teach us with love and parables. Not
constant bickering, attacks and hatred against one another. He taught
us above all to live it, and not talk about it.

Pendrag0n

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Dec 18, 2011, 6:47:44 AM12/18/11
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You're still missing the point. If he/they/anyone is a compulsive
crackpot in gobbledygook, why must you also become one in order to
teach them the error of their ways. Troublemakers will never be happy
and were never happy when Jesus himself came and gave them the word.
It's the spirit that matters, not the law.

mainframetech

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Dec 18, 2011, 6:48:05 AM12/18/11
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On Dec 18, 5:40 am, Brian Gene Kelley <metalicstu...@gmail.com> wrote:


To both of you arguing and spitting people,
Do you consider yourselves to be caring individuals about other
people? You're certainly not acting like it. This thread is for
choosing a doctor, not theosophical arguments. Get another thread
that won't impact other people that are not interested in your years
old war with each other across all the forums. You've been doing this
childish battle in misc.health.alternative, why not go open your own
forum and battle it out to your heart's content? You're certainly not
being read by very many people this way. If you won't go somewhere
private to have your little game, then you must be trying to put on a
show to impress the rest of us, and I for one am not impressed.

Chris




Pendrag0n

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Dec 18, 2011, 7:32:27 AM12/18/11
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Well you speak for yourself Chris. I actually find the slight
diversion somewhat amusing. It's not like we're rushed off our feet
here. These diversions usually disappear after a week or so, so I say
let it roll. If it bothers anyone just kill the thread its easy
enough.


Jimmy Alpha; GED

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Dec 18, 2011, 9:04:58 AM12/18/11
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On 12/18/2011 6:40 AM, Pendrag0n wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 02:26:44 -0800 (PST), Brian Gene Kelley
> <metali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 18, 1:56 am, Pendrag0n<nom...@thnx.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:46:05 -0800 (PST), Brian Gene Kelley
>>>
>>> <metalicstu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The obsession with letter for letter theology misses the entire
>>> purpose of Christianity by a mile.
>>
>> Being within the scope of mainstream historical orthodox theology, by
>> no means indicates a letter for letter theology. However, true
>> Christianity requires staying within the bounds of sound orthodox
>> Biblical Christian doctrine. Not letter for letter, but within bounds.
>>
>>> I suggest all of you obsessive
>>> compulsives get a life and start living the word instead of talking
>>> about it.
>>
>> I suggest that people learn about it, with others, before they attempt
>> to live by what they've failed to properly learn. Living by what you
>> think the Bible says, is not the same as living by what it actually
>> says.
>>
>> What you call "obsessive compulsive" is actually a recognition of
>> boundaries.
>>
>> What you're suggesting is pure liberalism with no boundaries
>> whatsoever.
>
> Jesus never quoted chapter and verse to us, so why should anyone else.

Jesus said "it is written" many times. At the time "chapter and verse"
hadn't been invented.

Jimmy "proponent of the two tapeworm approach" Alpha GeD
The opinions expressed here are those of James Alpha, and
should not be mistaken as medical or religious advice,
even tho the opinions could be used as such.

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 18, 2011, 9:29:36 AM12/18/11
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On Dec 18, 3:47 am, Pendrag0n <nom...@thnx.com> wrote:

>
> You're still missing the point. If he/they/anyone is a compulsive
> crackpot in gobbledygook, why must you also become one in order to
> teach them the error of their ways. Troublemakers will never be happy
> and were never happy when Jesus himself came and gave them the word.
> It's the spirit that matters, not the law.

You are lecturing on a purely subjective basis using your feelings as
opposed to any actual knowledge. Thanks for sharing how you feel, as
opposed to anything you actually know. The idea of not pointing out
error regarding what the Bible says, is pure error in of itself. But
rest easy, son. I don't take Andrew B. Chung the least bit seriously,
nor does he aggravate me. I only offer rebuttals as a spare time
sideline. Pretty much the same as pausing to toss a couple of wadded
paper balls into the waste basket.

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 18, 2011, 9:18:05 AM12/18/11
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On Dec 18, 3:40 am, Pendrag0n <nom...@thnx.com> wrote:
>
> Jesus never quoted chapter and verse to us,

You sir, are obviously purely opinionated and completely uneducated
regarding these matters. Jesus quoted chapter and verse all throughout
the Four Gospels.

Go through this table for starters:
http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-old-testament-quoted-by-jesus-and-apostles.htm

Put some education behind what you say, instead of pulling nonsensical
statements out of you know where.

Dr. Brian Gene Kelley, PhD.

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 18, 2011, 9:31:49 AM12/18/11
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On Dec 18, 3:48 am, mainframetech <mainframet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  This thread is for
> choosing a doctor, not theosophical arguments.  Get another thread

Okay. That's all anyone needed to say to me. Ta ta. Unless, that is,
you want to continue...

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 18, 2011, 9:36:46 AM12/18/11
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On Dec 18, 4:32 am, Pendrag0n <nom...@thnx.com> wrote:

>
> Well you speak for yourself Chris.

Uh oh, now I don't know whether to go or stay. I'd say maybe Chris
should learn a little more about Usenet and filters etc.

> I actually find the slight
> diversion somewhat amusing.

Precisely. An amusing diversion. I couldn't have said it any better
myself. Looks like maybe you're catching on after all. Now, go study
your Bible and get yourself into a nice little fellowship of Bible
studiers ;-)

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 18, 2011, 9:41:22 AM12/18/11
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On Dec 18, 6:04 am, "Jimmy Alpha; GED" <jimmy_al...@operamail.com>
wrote:


>
> Jesus said "it is written" many times. At the time "chapter and verse"
> hadn't been invented.

I'd say probably the most misunderstood verse Jesus quoted, out of the
zillion verses He quoted, was "My God, my God, why have you forsaken
me?" Matthew 27:46, which was Jesus quoting Psalms 22:1
Message has been deleted

mainframetech

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Dec 18, 2011, 6:26:19 PM12/18/11
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> enough.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Pen,
Let me make it clear...I was speaking for myself and anyone that
agrees with me. You can speak for anyone that agrees with you.

Chris

mainframetech

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Dec 18, 2011, 6:35:39 PM12/18/11
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Listen little fella, making certain people angry or unhappy has
been your goal for years now and I've seen it in other forums. It's
not very christian, but that's your problem. I'm familiar with
filters, but they weren't put here for you to hide behind and blat on
Chung all day and everywhere. I and those that agree with me don't
think of ourselves as victims of your "Amusing diversion".

Chris

Ozgirl

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Dec 18, 2011, 8:38:01 PM12/18/11
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"mainframetech" <mainfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d75954f7-d75f-4fb2...@o14g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
If the people in slow groups need diversion then remove all the other
groups from the cross-postings so the ones in livelier groups can get on
with business.
Not hard to be less selfish. That way the followers can carry on to
their heart's content without bothering people in groups where they need
support and information.

Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 19, 2011, 2:16:28 AM12/19/11
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On Dec 18, 3:35 pm, mainframetech <mainframet...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>    Listen little fella, making certain people angry or unhappy has
> been your goal for years now and I've seen it in other forums.

And I have just seen yours. You are nothing more than a chime-in
heckler on an ego trip.





Brian Gene Kelley

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Dec 19, 2011, 2:25:05 AM12/19/11
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Let me help you all out here...

"Brian, please take alt.________ out of your posting header. Thank
you."

"You're welcome, I will sincerely try to remember to do so - Brian"


No one ever thinks of making a simple straightforward request like
this, ever. Why?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 19, 2011, 2:46:55 AM12/19/11
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someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:

> Wouldn't it be interesting to see Andy provide a concise, link free,
> straightforward explanation of precisely why this person's name was
> blotted from God's Book of Life?

The reason is simply your lying by writing/saying that "hunger is
starvation" to someone in the Holy Spirit is lying to the Holy Spirit:

"Then Peter (in the Holy Spirit) said, 'Ananias, how is it that satan
has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and
have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold,
wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a
thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to GOD.' When
Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all
who heard what had happened." (Acts 5:3-5)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29b32e2446470998?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> <burp> we had a Thanksgiving buffet at the fellowship I attend Sunday
> eve, and I'm still feeling the effects.
>
> I'd like to see Doc Andy at one of those, holding up the line by
> weighing each portion of turkey and trimmings while making his
> calculations

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52ff4b8b4947454c?

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) weighs his meal (not
individual food items) right before giving thanks to the LORD for the
**amount** in ounces that He has provided and concluding by saying
"Jesus Christ is LORD" so that all would be encouraged that this is
being done in the Holy Spirit on a daily basis:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/WDJW/196255898065

Just as the "hunger is starvation" lie (Genesis 25:32) caused Esau to
be accursed (Malachi 1:2-3) to the Nth generation so that they've all
been blotted out of GOD's Book of Life the same has happened to
you ...

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29c54da667a5fa0f?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> > ... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
>
> The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked
> (Jeremiah 17:9)

Hence, mind, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ( http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit
), over the heart.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/354ffd3ca8c22eca?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

> > > "For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading
> > > as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for satan himself masquerades
> > > as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants
> > > also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what
> > > their actions deserve" (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
> >
> > According to what is written in the Bible, apostles, either true or
> > false, are Jewish and not Chinese. The original 12 Apostles were Jewish.
>
> Wrong. The Apostle Luke was a Gentile (cf. Colossians 4:10-14)

Apostle Paul writing "Luke, the doctor" (Colossians 4:14) is not his
writing "Luke, the Apostle." Moreover, Luke was Greek and not Chinese
making 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 not applicable to this **Chinese**
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) even if Luke were an Apostle of
Christ.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aa0db022a9a46d77?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>
> Only Satan would try to lull people into a false assurance of
> Salvation in Jesus Christ, by claiming it's summed up in someone's
> ability to parrot the second half of a Bible verse.

Only those who work for satan would claim they know what satan would
do.

It is written that the deceived like you would be deceiving others,
going from bad to worse (2 Timothy 3:13).

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) has the experience of
training parrots to speak and has discovered that they cannot say
"Jesus is LORD" with their mouth (Romans 10:9) much less the entirety
of the second half of 1 Corinthians 12:3.

Thus, you have been caught in another lie.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/06fa5c7ff7727403?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
>

Brian Gene Kelley

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On Dec 18, 11:46 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

<Gargantuan bandwidth snip>
>
> May GOD ever so severely curse ...

read more »

Good grief, there's *more*?! LOL

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 19, 2011, 4:26:55 AM12/19/11
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"Anyone can say 'Jesus is LORD'" -- A false Bible teacher cited by
someone whose name has been blotted(Deu29:20) from His Book(Deu32:33)
of Life.

Source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzNu5bC5hT0

"No one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." -- Apostle
Paul (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Verification of 1 Corinthians 12:3 by a gentile Christian disciple ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo53axJ4x1o

(Though the above featured religiously Christian children wanted to
say 'Jesus is LORD' for extra pieces of candy, they could not because
they needed to be born again per John 3:3 & 5 to become new creatures
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by GOD per 2 Corinthians 5:17 so that He
would be their GOD per Ezekiel 11:19-20 & 36:26 and they would be His
children)

May GOD ever so severely curse to the Nth generation all who grieve
His Holy Spirit by falsely teaching that "Anyone can say 'Jesus is
LORD'" in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

"Deaf-mutes obviously can't say anything much less say 'Jesus is LORD'
except by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the statement 'Anyone can say
"Jesus is LORD"' has been logically proven to be false since anyone
would include deaf-mutes." -- gentile Christian disciple in the Holy
Spirit

Suggested additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5be9c7429d83a0d0?

someone whose name has been blotted from His Book of Life wrote:

> Wouldn't it be interesting to see Andy provide a concise, link free,
> straightforward explanation of precisely why this person's name was
> blotted from God's Book of Life?

The reason is simply your lying by writing/saying that "hunger is
starvation" to someone in the Holy Spirit is lying to the Holy Spirit:

"Then Peter (in the Holy Spirit) said, 'Ananias, how is it that satan
has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and
have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold,
wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a
thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to GOD.' When
Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all
who heard what had happened." (Acts 5:3-5)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29b32e2446470998?

someone whose name has been blotted from His Book of Life wrote:
>
> <burp> we had a Thanksgiving buffet at the fellowship I attend Sunday
> eve, and I'm still feeling the effects.
>
> I'd like to see Doc Andy at one of those, holding up the line by
> weighing each portion of turkey and trimmings while making his
> calculations

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52ff4b8b4947454c?

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) weighs his meal (not
individual food items) right before giving thanks to the LORD for the
**amount** in ounces that He has provided and concluding by saying
"Jesus Christ is LORD" so that all would be encouraged that this is
being done in the Holy Spirit on a daily basis:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/WDJW/196255898065

Just as the "hunger is starvation" lie (Genesis 25:32) caused Esau to
be accursed (Malachi 1:2-3) to the Nth generation so that they've all
been blotted out of GOD's Book of Life the same has happened to
you ...

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29c54da667a5fa0f?

someone whose name has been blotted from His Book of Life wrote on the
subject line of a post on 12/4/2011:

"Chung can't say 'Jesus is Lord'"

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5d8f31bfe437fc67?

If that were true, there wouldn't be an updated outgoing cellphone
voicemail message for today (12/4/2011) with this physician (
http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) quoting 1 Corinthians 12:3 for all to
witness :-)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7bc656c9738f0cec?

someone whose name has been blotted from GOD's Book of Life wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

> > > "For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading
> > > as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for satan himself masquerades
> > > as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants
> > > also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what
> > > their actions deserve" (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
> >
> > According to what is written in the Bible, apostles, either true or
> > false, are Jewish and not Chinese. The original 12 Apostles were Jewish.
>
> Wrong. The Apostle Luke was a Gentile (cf. Colossians 4:10-14)

Apostle Paul writing "Luke, the doctor" (Colossians 4:14) is not his
writing "Luke, the Apostle." Moreover, Luke was Greek and not Chinese
making 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 not applicable to this **Chinese**
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) even if Luke were an Apostle of
Christ.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aa0db022a9a46d77?

someone whose name has been blotted from His Book of Life wrote:
>
> Only Satan would try to lull people into a false assurance of
> Salvation in Jesus Christ, by claiming it's summed up in someone's
> ability to parrot the second half of a Bible verse.

Only those who work for satan would claim they know what satan would
do.

It is written that the deceived like you would be deceiving others,
going from bad to worse (2 Timothy 3:13).

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) has the experience of
training parrots to speak and has discovered that they cannot say
"Jesus is LORD" with their mouth (Romans 10:9) much less the entirety
of the second half of 1 Corinthians 12:3.

Thus, you have been caught in another lie.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/06fa5c7ff7727403?

Pendrag0n

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There you go again, making all the rules.

Brian Gene Kelley

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On Dec 19, 1:36 am, Pendrag0n <nom...@thnx.com> wrote:
>
> There you go again, making all the rules.

And that's supposed to be your job, right Skipper?

Pendrag0n

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Now, now, no need to get sensitive cos your miserable, pedantic,
obsessive, compulsive view on life and the bible is boring the pants
off everyone. The only way you'll ever learn is to keep your yap shut
occasionally. Otherwise people soon get to see what a fruit you are.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jimmy Alpha; GED

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On 12/19/2011 6:58 AM, sightwalker with a phd said:
> "Anyone can say 'Jesus is LORD'" -- A false Bible teacher cited by
> someone whose name has been blotted(Deu29:20) from His Book(Deu32:33)
> of Life.


> May GOD ever so severely curse you and all around you to the Nth
> generation, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Jesus is standing with outstretched hands and you are cursing others in
His name! For shame, shame on you sightwalker...

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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possibly (Mt 19:26) eternally condemned Jimmy Alpha wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > Smarter to simply stop overeating without undereating.

The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT to cure type-2
diabetes is to http://WDJW.net/Guard (Proverbs 4:23) the heart by
holding to the right amount, which is 32 oz of daily food thereby
stopping (John 5:14) the original Adam&Eve sin of gluttony without
fasting.

> If one thirsts for thin, it will happen with the two tapeworm approach
> automatically.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/398ba83482596efd?

Being infected by parasites is not healthy.

Laus Deo (Luke 1:68) for His making fools of those who choose to mock
His servants out of their hatred (Luke 1:71) for them.

May GOD stricken you, Jimmy, with parasites so that you wither away as
did the fig tree that He cursed nearly 2000 years ago enroute to
clearing out His Temple of money-changers, in the name of Jesus Christ
of Nazareth. Amen.

possibly (Mt 19:26) eternally condemned Jimmy Alpha wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Rod wrote:
> >> possibly (Mt 19:26) eternally condemned Jimmy Alpha wrote:
> >>
> >>> No, you'll die at some point, if it's next week or in 20 years you are
> >>> still going to die and I'll have little to do with it as I'm not giving
> >>> you advice as sightwalker.
> >>
> >> I'm taking my doctors advice. My doctor isn't Andrew.
> >
> > Moreover, this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ), who walks by
> > faith (experiential evidence of that which is unseen for which he has
> > hope) and not by sight (as evident by his testing spirits which are unseen
> > to determine which ones are from GOD) does not give specific medical
> > advice to anyone via Usenet.
>
> You said I must say "Jesus is Lord" to your ear, not just affirm in
> writing, hence you are a sightwalker.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/90cd2abfb107a1b5?

Faith in GOD and His written Word (Romans 10:9) is not faith in you,
Jimmy.

Trust in GOD is not trusting others, like you, for there is a curse
from Him for the latter:

http://T3WiJ.com

Thus, this physician is a follower (Luke 9:23) of GOD and walks with
Him, Who is sight unseen, in faith as did Enoch and Elijah, who have
not ever died, instead of walking with you who have been cursed by
Him:

"Jimmy's written prophecy that Rod will die will be applied to Jimmy
in a way that will be meaningful to all." -- Holy Spirit

Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b2fdccf898019a85?

Suggested additional reading:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d568c9dd585bbd7?

**and**

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e6c24d253fa7dc2d?

May GOD have mercy on your soul, Jimmy, in the name of Jesus Christ of
Nazareth.

Amen.

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/470799ce370a2ff2?

What is the "hunger is starvation" delusion?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

ken

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*_*

mainframetech

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On Dec 19, 2:46 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:


No comment.



ken

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On Dec 19, 8:55 am, ken <flakey...@att.net> wrote:
> *_*

Chung never shuts his pie hole

mainframetech

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On Dec 19, 4:36 am, Pendrag0n <nom...@thnx.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:26:19 -0800 (PST), mainframetech
>
>
>
>
>
> There you go again, making all the rules.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Pen,
If you don't like the rule that you speak for yourself and those
that agree with you, one wonders what rules you would rather live
by.

Chris

mainframetech

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mainframetech

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On Dec 19, 4:26 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:


No comment.

mainframetech

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On Dec 19, 6:58 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

No comment.

mainframetech

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mainframetech

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mainframetech

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On Dec 19, 7:26 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:


No comment.


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 19, 2011, 7:39:04 PM12/19/11
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... and encouraging born-again (John 3:3 & 5) friends like Rod Eastman
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Ken simply because we really love
him as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all glory to GOD the
Father.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/42797e450fd691c1?

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?

Pendrag0n

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LOL Chris it is actually better to make no comment, rather than silly
no comments.

Pendrag0n

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