Re: Training Week Ending 11 September 2011

[MU]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:23:09 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

> I don't think I have ever eaten *half* a banana. Once I open one I
> assume I have to eat the whole thing.

Here we have the ingrained behavior of the modern (post Great
Depression)consumer. It is the result of several/all of the
conditionings a few of which are "clean your plate; no waste" taught by
guilt conditioned parents, the marketing of the USDA, private marketing
of the agricultural megacorporateplex, the fast food industry and
others.

Mr. Earl is amply demonstrating his conditioning as clearly as Alex de
Large was conditioned to hate violence. Both are artificial, neither
inherent from birth, both taught consciously and subconsciously.

Which is why the 2PD OMER approach to eating attacks the central problem
- oversconsumption.

http://heartmdphd.com/BeHealthier

Note that Mr. Earl did not say " I don't think I have ever eaten *half*
a banana. Once I open one I assume I have to /consume all the calories
in it/".

[Jason Earl]

On Fri, Sep 16 2011, MU wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:23:09 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:
>
>> I don't think I have ever eaten *half* a banana. Once I open one I
>> assume I have to eat the whole thing.
>
> Here we have the ingrained behavior of the modern (post Great
> Depression)consumer. It is the result of several/all of the
> conditionings a few of which are "clean your plate; no waste" taught
> by guilt conditioned parents, the marketing of the USDA, private
> marketing of the agricultural megacorporateplex, the fast food
> industry and others.

I have been writing down everything that I eat for the past two years,
and I really think that you are essentially correct. Of course, I don't
blame my parents, the USDA, or the agricultural megacorporateplex.
Eating is fun. If I don't monitor what I eat I eat too much.

> Mr. Earl is amply demonstrating his conditioning as clearly as Alex de
> Large was conditioned to hate violence. Both are artificial, neither
> inherent from birth, both taught consciously and subconsciously.

I prefer the terms introduced in /The Hacker's Diet/. My "eat watch" is
broken.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/

> Which is why the 2PD OMER approach to eating attacks the central problem
> - oversconsumption.
>
> http://heartmdphd.com/BeHealthier

I would like to think that this would probably work. I found that when
I started keeping track of what I ate that I lost weight (at least at
first) despite the fact that I never really felt hungry. Being more
conscious of what I ate was almost more important than how many calories
I took in.

The problem with an eating system like yours is that I think that I
would find it too tempting to game the system. For example, I am pretty
sure that eating two pounds of bacon per day would not be good for me,
but I am also pretty sure that I would at least be tempted to try it. I
know that when I experimented with the Atkins diet I had a *bacon* day.
Eating piles of bacon made me happy (for a bit), but I don't think that
it got me closer to my goal.

Counting calories is not significantly more difficult than simply
weighing your food, and it helps steer me towards foods like vegetables
that are low in calories.

> Note that Mr. Earl did not say " I don't think I have ever eaten
> *half* a banana. Once I open one I assume I have to /consume all the
> calories in it/".

I don't think anyone actually talks like that :).

Jason

[MU]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:48:25 -0400, Steve Freides wrote:

> One thing I have found that consistently separates those who stay thin
> from those who don't - the former are willing not to finish what's on
> their plate. Mind you, I'm ready, willing, and able to eat my kids'
> leftovers, but only if I'm hungry.

Mr. Friedes, although he is supporting a real life situation, instead of
complying with the "waste not, want not" Foodology for Phools lol still
retains the "Hunger Is Harmful" mindset.

> I don't eat more than what I need, and I don't need more than half a
> banana in the morning.

But...but...isn't breakfast the most important meal of the day!!

Mr. Friedes website - http://www.kbnj.com

[MU]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:06:41 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

>> Which is why the 2PD OMER approach to eating attacks the central problem
>> - oversconsumption.

>> http://heartmdphd.com/BeHealthier

> I would like to think that this would probably work. I found that when
> I started keeping track of what I ate that I lost weight (at least at
> first) despite the fact that I never really felt hungry. Being more
> conscious of what I ate was almost more important than how many calories
> I took in.

Cal counting doesn't work when work is defined as more than a temporary
approach to eating. The most significant issue with cal counting is the
reliability of your own data. Was that 6oz of salmon...or 5? Was that
really a 8oz sirloin...or was it 9? Or 7? How much fat did you eat v.s
meat? How much was digested and useful?

> The problem with an eating system like yours is that I think that I
> would find it too tempting to game the system.

It's your game, neither the 2PD OMER nor any eating system can be
blamed, it's your game.

> For example, I am pretty
> sure that eating two pounds of bacon per day would not be good for me,
> but I am also pretty sure that I would at least be tempted to try it.

Go ahead.

> I know that when I experimented with the Atkins diet I had a *bacon*
> day. Eating piles of bacon made me happy (for a bit), but I don't
> think that it got me closer to my goal.

Atkins was, is and always will be a complete failure. No worries, he's
in excellent company with every other calorie or carb counting diet that
has ever existed.

> Counting calories is not significantly more difficult than simply
> weighing your food, and it helps steer me towards foods like vegetables
> that are low in calories.

Overconsumption is the issue not what is consumed. Just ask any Atkins
ex-dieter.

[Whosoever]

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

> The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is to
> the heart by holding to the
> right daily amount (32 oz) of food.

Untrue.

The diet invented by Andrew B. Chung, is only one of many available
dietary options.

Take into consideration though; that there isn't a single bit of
obtainable empirical clinical evidence, to support Andrew B. Chung's
opinion of the diet he invented.

Nor is there a single licensed nutritionist or dietitian who's on on
record having supported Andrew B. Chung's opinion of the diet he
invented.

Nor is there a single theologian, Bible scholar or historian who will
back up Andrew B. Chung's opinion of what an "omer" weighs, or any of
Andrew B. Chung's other opinions as to how the Bible supposedly
applies
directly to the diet he invented.

All you really have to go by regarding the diet invented by Andrew B
Chung,
is nothing more than Andrew B. Chung's opinions and personal claims.

Andrew B. Chung will claim that the diet he invented was the result of
a vision form God, however he didn't start making this claim until
about five years after its 1998 inception.
He will also claim it's not a diet, even though he called it a diet
until about five years after its 1998 inception.

> happened in 1997 during the viewing of an IMAX
> Mt.Everest documentary that started playing at the Tennessee Aquarium
> **before** 1996:

Untrue.

The release date for the IMAX documentary "Everest" was 6 March 1998.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120661/releaseinfo

Andrew B. Chung wrote:
> 2 pound diet
> [I] Dr. Chung invented this approach

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/fd713904855bfa2c?hl=en


"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

> That is a distortion of what is actually written [in the Bible] in a
> vain attempt to change it.

Which of course is exactly what Chung has done with every single one
of the numerous Bible verses he's misapplied to his 2pid diet.
Using Chung's method of operation against him, really brings out his
hypocritical indignation :-)

On his rusted blog, Chung says that he started receiving a
tremendously negative outcome when he began misapplying Sacred
Biblical Scripture in an exploitative promotion of the 2pid diet he
invented. This negativity, this continual downward spiral he's been
experiencing is the harvest of the seeds of duplicity he's sown.

> [I'm] Simply smarter as evident by the MD/PhD

It's a shame those smarts didn't withstand the test of time.

[Mr. Millican]

On 9/16/2011 9:48 PM, MU wrote:

>
> But...but...isn't breakfast the most important meal of the day!!

Well, there are lots of widely published studies saying so.

While on the other hand, there is nothing whatsoever to corroborate the
claims made by the sole inventor of the 2PD-Omer, Andrew B. Chung.

Anything, anything at all?

MayoClinic.com?

WebMd.com?

Smartbalance.com?

Diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/eating?

Diabetes.org › Food and Fitness › Food › Planning Meals?

Not even something as basic as;

Wikipedia.com?

Answers.yahoo.com?

About.com?

Anything, anything at all?

Why not?

[MU]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:38:30 -0700, Ace trolling as Mr. Millican wrote:

> On 9/16/2011 9:48 PM, MU wrote:
>
>>
>> But...but...isn't breakfast the most important meal of the day!!
>
> Well, there are lots of widely published studies saying so.

Good to know that! And your qualifications for understanding these
studies is...lol...

Bzzzzzzzt. Right answer. *NONE*

However, please cite these "lots of studies", Acer! <grin>

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:10:06 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 16 2011, MU wrote:
>

>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:06:41 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:
>>
>>>> Which is why the 2PD OMER approach to eating attacks the central problem
>>>> - oversconsumption.
>>
>>>> http://heartmdphd.com/BeHealthier
>>
>>> I would like to think that this would probably work. I found that when
>>> I started keeping track of what I ate that I lost weight (at least at
>>> first) despite the fact that I never really felt hungry. Being more
>>> conscious of what I ate was almost more important than how many calories
>>> I took in.
>>
>> Cal counting doesn't work when work is defined as more than a
>> temporary approach to eating. The most significant issue with cal
>> counting is the reliability of your own data. Was that 6oz of
>> salmon...or 5? Was that really a 8oz sirloin...or was it 9? Or 7? How
>> much fat did you eat v.s meat? How much was digested and useful?
>

> Granted, unless you are far more persnickety than I am about your
> measurements there is going to be a certain amount of fuzz in your data.

At equilibrium caloric intake (no weight gain or loss) let's assume for
mathematical purposes is 3,000 cals, an error of 10%. Nothing fuzzy
about it.

One pound of body weight is roughly equivalent to 3500 calories, so
eating an extra 2,100 calories per week will cause you to gain half to
three quarters pounds a week. A year? You're obese.

This assumes you, MU or anyone else other than a lab technician, has a
bomb calorimeter and would use it to establish *true* caloric content.

Point being; cal counting doesn't work on so many levels it's a Mute
argument.

> Still, I tend to weigh most of the things that I eat (instead of using
> volume measurements). So the difference between what I do and what you
> propose is not likely to be that great.

The difference is that I never consider caloric content at all. No fuzz
to worry about.

> My guess is that your method is actually a useful shorthand. Weighing
> foods is quite a bit easier than weighing food and then guessing how
> many calories per gram, and I would not be surprised to find out it
> works just as well.

>>> The problem with an eating system like yours is that I think that I
>>> would find it too tempting to game the system.
>>
>> It's your game, neither the 2PD OMER nor any eating system can be
>> blamed, it's your game.
>

> True. I would only be cheating myself.

>
>>> For example, I am pretty sure that eating two pounds of bacon per day
>>> would not be good for me, but I am also pretty sure that I would at
>>> least be tempted to try it.
>>
>> Go ahead.
>

> Heck, it might even work. It did not kill me when I experimented with
> Atkins.

>
>>> I know that when I experimented with the Atkins diet I had a *bacon*
>>> day. Eating piles of bacon made me happy (for a bit), but I don't
>>> think that it got me closer to my goal.
>>
>> Atkins was, is and always will be a complete failure. No worries, he's
>> in excellent company with every other calorie or carb counting diet
>> that has ever existed.
>

> Atkins made me feel like crap. I like a few carbs in my meals. Bacon
> is still delicious though.

Atkins ranks among the most villanous men in the history of faux
dieting. Even his death was manipulated.

Thanks to his death certificate, we know Atkins was 6', 258 pounds at
the time of his death, obese by any definition. Yet according to a copy
of his medical records, from the Atkins widow, Atkins weighed 195 pounds
upon admission to the hospital 8 April 2003 following his fall. He died
on 17 April 2003.

Even in death, he was a deceitful, pitiful evil man.

>>> Counting calories is not significantly more difficult than simply
>>> weighing your food, and it helps steer me towards foods like
>>> vegetables that are low in calories.
>>
>> Overconsumption is the issue not what is consumed. Just ask any Atkins
>> ex-dieter.
>

> I agree. Everything in moderation.
>
> Jason

Moderation to what? The immoderate, overconsuming gluttony now taken as
the norm?

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:40:05 -0400, MU wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:23:09 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:
>
>> I don't think I have ever eaten *half* a banana. Once I open one I
>> assume I have to eat the whole thing.
>
> Here we have the ingrained behavior of the modern (post Great
> Depression)consumer. It is the result of several/all of the
> conditionings a few of which are "clean your plate; no waste" taught by
> guilt conditioned parents, the marketing of the USDA, private marketing
> of the agricultural megacorporateplex, the fast food industry and
> others.
>
> Mr. Earl is amply demonstrating his conditioning as clearly as Alex de
> Large was conditioned to hate violence. Both are artificial, neither
> inherent from birth, both taught consciously and subconsciously.

I agree with your assessments.

> Which is why the 2PD OMER approach to eating attacks the central problem
> - oversconsumption.
>
> http://heartmdphd.com/BeHealthier

Am I missing something? Don't overeat, that's the message? This is news?

> Note that Mr. Earl did not say " I don't think I have ever eaten *half*
> a banana. Once I open one I assume I have to /consume all the calories
> in it/".

Who does?
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[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> MU wrote:
> > Jason Earl wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think I have ever eaten *half* a banana. Once I open one I
> >> assume I have to eat the whole thing.
> >
> > Here we have the ingrained behavior of the modern (post Great
> > Depression)consumer. It is the result of several/all of the
> > conditionings a few of which are "clean your plate; no waste" taught by
> > guilt conditioned parents, the marketing of the USDA, private marketing
> > of the agricultural megacorporateplex, the fast food industry and
> > others.
> >
> > Mr. Earl is amply demonstrating his conditioning as clearly as Alex de
> > Large was conditioned to hate violence. Both are artificial, neither
> > inherent from birth, both taught consciously and subconsciously.
>
> I agree with your assessments.
>
> > Which is why the 2PD OMER approach to eating attacks the central problem
> > - oversconsumption.
> >

> > http://WDJW.net/BeSmart
>
> Am I missing something?

No.

> Don't overeat, that's the message?

No. That's the background.

> This is news?

How to stop overeating will always be news for those who are
overeating because of their terrible attitude towards hunger combined
with their ignorance about the right daily amount (32 oz) of food.

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:

Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946

Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946

Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946

Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946

Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

This has all been about the truth:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fc8ddf9938aa594b?

May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by changing stoney hearts to
fleshy hearts and giving their minds a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26)
so that they would be born again of water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that they would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the Truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?

[Mr. Millican]

On 9/16/2011 11:50 PM, MU wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:38:30 -0700, Ace trolling as Mr. Millican wrote:
>
> > On 9/16/2011 9:48 PM, MU wrote:
>
> >> But...but...isn't breakfast the most important meal of the day!!
>
> > Well, there are lots of widely published studies saying so.
>
> Good to know that! And your qualifications for understanding these
> studies is...lol...

Non Sequitur. Someone's qualifications for understanding them is moot
concerning their existence.

> Bzzzzzzzt. Right answer. *NONE*

There can be no right or wrong answer to a non sequitur question. Which
was poorly contrived to escape the issue.

That being; no study exists outside of Chung's writings about 2PD-Omer
exist. *NONE*

> However, please cite these "lots of studies",

Oh gee, does that mean I have to cut and paste Google search results for
"Breakfast most important meal studies"? Really?

> Acer! <grin>

Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong user <smirk>.

Meanwhile what study or published article exists about the 2PD-Omer?

Ding-ding-ding. Right answer. *NONE*

> "MU" wrote" *PLONK* (14 times)

You're not very good at sticking with your plonks, Mu-Chung.

*ROFL*

[Mr. Millican]

On 9/17/2011 12:14 AM, MU wrote:

> At equilibrium caloric intake (no weight gain or loss) let's assume for
> mathematical purposes is 3,000 cals, an error of 10%. Nothing fuzzy
> about it.

Good to know that! And your qualifications for understanding these
studies is...lol...

Bzzzzzzzt. Right answer. *NONE*

Unless that is, you can prove you qualifications.

Well?

[Mr. Millican]

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

> The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is to

> the heart by holding to the

> right daily amount (32 oz) of food.

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:59:07 -0700, Ace trolling as Mr. Millican wrote:

>> At equilibrium caloric intake (no weight gain or loss) let's assume for
>> mathematical purposes is 3,000 cals, an error of 10%. Nothing fuzzy
>> about it.
>
> Good to know that!

You bit. Like I was ever worried that you wouldn't. lol

> And your qualifications for understanding these studies is...

...the large number of developed relationships I have made over 20 years
with the scientfic and medical community who are capable of evaluating
clinical test quality and translating qualified citations into ideas and
concepts I can understand.

Acer, you forget, I was and still am involved in the latest in terms of
kinesiological, biomechanical and physiological research as it relates
to athletes and warfighters. This includes military medical (BUMED, etc)

Of course you knew that but since when have you ever been anything but a
lying, disingenous troll, huh?

> Well?

You can run along now.

*rofl*

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 04:10:11 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

>> Mr. Earl is amply demonstrating his conditioning as clearly as Alex de
>> Large was conditioned to hate violence. Both are artificial, neither
>> inherent from birth, both taught consciously and subconsciously.
>
> I agree with your assessments.
>
>> Which is why the 2PD OMER approach to eating attacks the central problem
>> - oversconsumption.
>>
>> http://heartmdphd.com/BeHealthier
>
> Am I missing something? Don't overeat, that's the message? This is news?
>

You are missing nothing, the 2PD OMER is as simple as it appears. Is it
news? Truth is simple but often overlooked especially when it confronts
a supersized, highly conditioned, brainwashed populace.

>> Note that Mr. Earl did not say " I don't think I have ever eaten *half*
>> a banana. Once I open one I assume I have to /consume all the calories
>> in it/".
>
> Who does?

Anyone who attempts a calorie or carb or protein diet might.

[Mr. Millican]

On 9/17/2011 4:28 AM, MU wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:59:07 -0700, Ace trolling as Mr. Millican wrote:
>
>>> At equilibrium caloric intake (no weight gain or loss) let's assume for
>>> mathematical purposes is 3,000 cals, an error of 10%. Nothing fuzzy
>>> about it.
>>
>> Good to know that!
>
> You bit. Like I was ever worried that you wouldn't. lol
>
>> And your qualifications for understanding these studies is...
>
> ...the large number of developed relationships I

I? LOL. You are an unidentifiable anonymous sockpuppet.
Always have been, always will be. No identity whatsoever.

> have made over 20 years
> with the scientfic and medical community who are capable of evaluating
> clinical test quality and translating qualified citations into ideas and
> concepts I can understand.

That is your anecdotal hearsay, not proof.

> Acer, you forget, I was and still am involved in the latest in terms of
> kinesiological, biomechanical and physiological research as it relates
> to athletes and warfighters. This includes military medical (BUMED, etc)

According to no source other than your own contrivances. You offer
nothing except for insubstantial claims. Nothing. And that's what I
remember.

> Of course you knew that but since when have you ever been anything but a
> lying, disingenous troll, huh?

Now you're projecting. You are purely disingenuous. Purely troll. By
your own admission; you post for the sole purpose "to piss off". But all
you've ever really achieved is endless reticule, from a great many
people, over a long period of time. Mu-Chung stalled out a long time
ago. I'm the only one left now willing to play with you these days. All
those years and 2pid-0mer has gone nowhere. How sad.

>> Well?
>
> You can run along now.
>
> *rofl*

I'll gladly leave, just as soon as soon as you can provide a shred of
proof to back up what you've written about yourself, or a shred of proof
of the claims made by MU/Chung regarding the 2pid diet.

Proof, science man. Empirical evidence. Not anecdotal vapor.

Anything? Anything at all.

Well?...

[Ace]

On Sep 17, 4:28 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course you knew that but since when have you ever been anything but a
> lying, disingenous troll, huh?

"The use of a pseudonym while accusing another of lying is
automatically itself lying.

Therefore, lying sockpuppets like yourself can only succeed at proving
yourselves to be liars with anything you post"

Tee hee.

A*

[Ace]

On Sep 17, 4:28 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Acer,

Why are you dragging me into this?

> you forget, I was and still am involved in the latest in terms of
> kinesiological, biomechanical and physiological research as it relates
> to athletes and warfighters. This includes military medical (BUMED, etc)

Sorry to pee on MU's Cheerios, but I know nothing of the sort. I know
that others have said MU has made claims of what someone referred to
as being a "secret spy agent", which apparently no one has ever
believed. Quite the alter ego, you've come up with for yourself there,
Andrew.

> Of course you knew that

No, I didn't. How egotistical of MU to assume that I've hung on to
every word MU has made up about "MU", or paid any attention
whatsoever. I do know MU has come up with a good (but hardly credible)
excuse for keeping "MU" anonymous. How convenient.

> but since when have you ever been anything but a
> lying, disingenous troll, huh?

That is correct, I'm not a genuine troll i.e. not a troll :-)

Dr. Brian Gene Kelley, PhD - Behavioral Science.
Henderson, NV

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 06:10:57 -0700 (PDT), Ace wrote:

> On Sep 17, 4:28 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Acer,
>
> Why are you dragging me into this?

Why do you always appear exactly after I expose one of your thousands of
sock puppets, Acer?

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:32:50 -0400, MU wrote:

>>> http://heartmdphd.com/BeHealthier
>>
>> Am I missing something? Don't overeat, that's the message? This is news?
>>
> You are missing nothing, the 2PD OMER is as simple as it appears. Is it
> news? Truth is simple but often overlooked especially when it confronts
> a supersized, highly conditioned, brainwashed populace.

There are people who have trouble understanding the concept of eating
too much makes you fat? Or are there people who are in a state of
continual denial of this thermodynamic fact?

Two pounds is the thermodynamic equilibrium?

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:52:33 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:32:50 -0400, MU wrote:
>
>>>> http://heartmdphd.com/BeHealthier
>>>
>>> Am I missing something? Don't overeat, that's the message? This is news?
>>>
>> You are missing nothing, the 2PD OMER is as simple as it appears. Is it
>> news? Truth is simple but often overlooked especially when it confronts
>> a supersized, highly conditioned, brainwashed populace.
>
> There are people who have trouble understanding the concept of eating
> too much makes you fat? Or are there people who are in a state of
> continual denial of this thermodynamic fact?

More the latter I would assert. Consider the amount of press that fast
food gets today (bad), mirrored by ads such as Welch's grape "family
owned farms" (good) and hundreds of other calorie-based, ingredient
based and other food related media blitzes.

It would be incredibly difficult not to have gained the simplest of
educations that at some point overconsumption results in obesity.

> Two pounds is the thermodynamic equilibrium?

It is the average amount of food of which a normally healthy person
gains no weight and will lose to a proper body weight. You will
eventually stabilize at your proper weight and with minor fluctuations,
remain there.

The 2lb/day is important not to exceed with any regularity if at all.
Your body, particularly your stomach size, will become comfortable at
that amount and become uncomfortable eating larger quantities.

[Jason Earl]

First of all, you are assuming that the person counting their calories
is always 10% over. That's not particularly likely. What's more, you
are also assuming that the person in question doesn't have access to a
bathroom scale. That's even less likely.

The whole point of tracking calories is to determine how many calories
you actually need. If you find yourself gaining weight eating 3000
calories per day (and you almost certainly will) then you just need to
reduce your caloric intake.

> This assumes you, MU or anyone else other than a lab technician, has a
> bomb calorimeter and would use it to establish *true* caloric content.

Actually, it is probably even more tricky than that. Not only do you
have to measure the true caloric content of the food, but you
theoretically have to find a way to measure how many of those calories
are actually available to your body.

From a practical perspective, however, you only need so much precision.

> Point being; cal counting doesn't work on so many levels it's a Mute
> argument.

So your arguments against counting calories is that you feel that it is
too imprecise to work.

>> Still, I tend to weigh most of the things that I eat (instead of using
>> volume measurements). So the difference between what I do and what you
>> propose is not likely to be that great.
>
> The difference is that I never consider caloric content at all. No fuzz
> to worry about.

So let me get this straight. You disapprove of counting calories
because it is imprecise, and instead you propose a method that is even
less precise?

For example, right now I am hungry for peanuts, and I happen to have 6
one pound jars of Planters Dry Roasted Peanuts in my cupboard.
According to your theory I should be able to eat two pounds of those
peanuts a day and still lose weight.

Of course, that's over 5000 calories in a single day. Well over the
generous 10% margin for error that you believe I would get counting
calories. What's worse, tomorrow I think that I am going to be hungry
for bacon, a food that has an even greater caloric density.

Now, don't get me wrong. I think that your system is probably a very
useful shorthand. Weighing your food is certainly easier than weighing
your food and then calculating the calories, and I have done a bit of
spot checking from my own food log, and the calorie densities for most
foods work out about right. So while your method is less precise than
counting calories, I don't have any problem believing that it is precise
enough to work.

If I already didn't have a database that had the calories per gram of
all of the foods that I eat regularly I would probably be tempted to
give your method a try. I certainly will mention it to people that are
looking for an easy way to start losing weight that don't want to go
through the added hassle of actually estimating caloric intake.

Jason

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

How did this get crossposted into alt.movies.kubrick?

[MU]

No, I am pointing out that a deviation from a true caloric count is
inevitable. For all the reasons I have set forth several times in this
thread.

I used 10% as a guess, who knows other than the chances that a person is
"right on" the true caloric count of their food intake is virtually nil.

So, want to use 5%? fine? Why not 15%? Fine.

> What's more, you are also assuming that the person in question doesn't
> have access to a bathroom scale. That's even less likely.

I made no assumption nor did I make any statement anything like that.

> The whole point of tracking calories is to determine how many calories
> you actually need.

It's pointless due to its inherent inaccuracy.

> If you find yourself gaining weight eating 3000
> calories per day (and you almost certainly will) then you just need to
> reduce your caloric intake.

It's pointless due to its inherent inaccuracy.

>> This assumes you, MU or anyone else other than a lab technician, has a
>> bomb calorimeter and would use it to establish *true* caloric content.
>
> Actually, it is probably even more tricky than that. Not only do you
> have to measure the true caloric content of the food, but you
> theoretically have to find a way to measure how many of those calories
> are actually available to your body.

Correct. To wit, it's pointless due to its inherent inaccuracy.

> From a practical perspective, however, you only need so much precision.

My 10% example proves that statement to wholly incorrect.

>> Point being; cal counting doesn't work on so many levels it's a Mute
>> argument.
>
> So your arguments against counting calories is that you feel that it is
> too imprecise to work.

Not only too imprecise, it doesn't deal with the quantity of food that
your stomach will accept comfortably. This conformableness is a key
point that determines the 2PD OMER as a "doable" eating approach.

>>> Still, I tend to weigh most of the things that I eat (instead of using
>>> volume measurements). So the difference between what I do and what you
>>> propose is not likely to be that great.
>>
>> The difference is that I never consider caloric content at all. No fuzz
>> to worry about.
>
> So let me get this straight. You disapprove of counting calories
> because it is imprecise, and instead you propose a method that is even
> less precise?

Take a scale, weigh your food, stop at 2pounds, exactly what is
imprecise about that? It is bery precise.

> For example, right now I am hungry for peanuts, and I happen to have 6
> one pound jars of Planters Dry Roasted Peanuts in my cupboard.
> According to your theory I should be able to eat two pounds of those
> peanuts a day and still lose weight.

You won't do that, you cannot do that but, please, go ahead and knock
yourself out trying.

> Of course, that's over 5000 calories in a single day. Well over the
> generous 10% margin for error that you believe I would get counting
> calories. What's worse, tomorrow I think that I am going to be hungry
> for bacon, a food that has an even greater caloric density.

Eat what you want up to 2 pounds per day. Truth is simple.

> Now, don't get me wrong. I think that your system is probably a very
> useful shorthand. Weighing your food is certainly easier than weighing
> your food and then calculating the calories, and I have done a bit of
> spot checking from my own food log, and the calorie densities for most
> foods work out about right.

Conjecture, imprecise conjecture.

> So while your method is less precise than
> counting calories, I don't have any problem believing that it is precise
> enough to work.
>
> If I already didn't have a database that had the calories per gram of
> all of the foods that I eat regularly I would probably be tempted to
> give your method a try. I certainly will mention it to people that are
> looking for an easy way to start losing weight that don't want to go
> through the added hassle of actually estimating caloric intake.
>
> Jason

Do them and yourself a favor. Just because you have taken a fallacious
path is no excuse for getting on the right one. There isn't a calorie
counting approach known to man that doesn't have an extremely high
failure rate over time.

The 2PD OMER stands the test.

Truth is simple. Truth, or not, is your choice.

[MU]

I made an analogy using Alex DeLarge from Clockwork Orange as a
conditioned individual as most people, certainly in the US, are
conditioned to overeat, waste not, etc. Alex' conditioning was both
artificial and environmental. So it is with overeating.

Let me make another analogy. Gluttony is a sin, a malady that only gets
worse the more often it is practiced. Could we not say the same thing
about Alex and violence - and Alex and nonviolence after his
MKUltra-like experiences?

Same is true of Jack Torrance, pedophilia and alcoholism. Kubrick often
highlights human misery and its abuse with the heightening of that
abusive action. Conditioning is just that, it increases ones abilities
and appetites whether it be a 25K, supersizing your MacMeal or romp in
the sack with a 9 year old.

[Existential Angst]

"MU" <efacs...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9dk2e8...@mid.individual.net...

Absolute idiocy.
Jason hit the nail on the head.

2# of meat? 2# of lettuce? 2# of water?
What a fukn joke....

This MU asshole actually does make some good points, but like all assholes
on autopilot with a defective chip, he winds up crashing into the side of a
mountain.

Counting calories, if that is the crux of the diet process, likely is
destined to fail.
BUT, it is a very informative, educational process as well, and can only
help in the long run.
MU is, mraculously, correct, tho, that you don't need to count calories at
all, but Jason's point about "equilibrium" food intake is important also.

Overall, the diet process is subtle-er than most realize. The highly touted
craze of "volume eating", altho logical/compelling on its face, has its own
inherent flaws, which the psychotic MU alludes to.

Our very culture excludes rational eating behavior.
Get used to it.

I wonder how this MU dresses himself in the morning.
I wonder if he talks to people the same way he addresses people here. I'd
love to slap the shit out of this little prick.
--
EA

[Ace]

MU, has always been known as Chung's sockpuppet. MU who according to
dozens, has undergone multiple incarnations "along with the FAQ, the
Mu incarnations" "MU to be the current incarnation of the Roose
troll"..........
On and on about MU being a Chung sockpuppet. On and on about MU
morphs.
MU offering nothing of substance. MU only offers vapor and evasion.

Silly MU is in no position to presume MU is in any kind of position to
ask such questions of others.

A*

[Ace]

On Sep 17, 11:07 am, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "MU" <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > Eat what you want up to 2 pounds per day. Truth is simple.
>
> Absolute idiocy.
> Jason hit the nail on the head.
>
> 2# of meat?  2# of lettuce?   2# of water?
> What a fukn joke....
>
> This MU asshole

Yep, that's it and MU the Chung sockpuppet in a nutshell. Always has
been going back years and always will be.

Chung came up with a stupid Idea 15 years ago, which he's become
obsessed with beyond all reason. It has completely ruined him.

But like that OCD little ant trying to push down the rubber tree
plant..........

A*

[Mr. Millican]

Looks more like Acer appeared after you wrote "Acer". "Thousands of
sockpuppets", what a sad display of obsessive paranoia.

According to MU<efacsimi...@gmail.com>'s profile, you have written "Ace"
295 times in less than a year.

Now, let's get back to what you're attempting to sidetrack;

Provide a shred of proof to back up what you've written about yourself,

or a shred of proof of the claims made by MU/Chung regarding the 2pid diet.

Proof, science man. Empirical evidence. Not anecdotal vapor. Not
sidetracking and evasion.

Give me one empirical shred, and I'll go away.

[Tiger Lily]

interesting, not cross posts to religious groups needed

check Mu, hisoritaclly, he posts in the same time 'frame' that andi does

unless andi is up unti 5am and need to get some sleep

bye!

me!

[Whosoever]

As was recently chronicled:

Chung:

3:33 am EST
3:35 am EST
3:38 am EST
3:41 am EST
3:44 am EST
3:57 am EST
4:01 am EST
4:11 am EST
4:17 am EST
4:22 am EST
4:29 am EST
7:08 am EST

MU:

3:14 am EST
3:40 am EST

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/db890d0554262415?hl=en

MU has always posted on Andy's heels.

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:17:36 -0400, MU wrote:

> I made an analogy using Alex DeLarge from Clockwork Orange as a
> conditioned individual as most people, certainly in the US, are
> conditioned to overeat, waste not, etc. Alex' conditioning was both
> artificial and environmental. So it is with overeating.

Few understand this indoctrination, more on this later.

> Let me make another analogy. Gluttony is a sin, a malady that only gets
> worse the more often it is practiced. Could we not say the same thing
> about Alex and violence - and Alex and nonviolence after his
> MKUltra-like experiences?

You wanna talk false flag and USGV ops? No you don't. Not with me.

> Same is true of Jack Torrance, pedophilia and alcoholism. Kubrick often
> highlights human misery and its abuse with the heightening of that
> abusive action. Conditioning is just that, it increases ones abilities
> and appetites whether it be a 25K, supersizing your MacMeal or romp in
> the sack with a 9 year old.

Kubrick's symbolic encoding operated on a deliberate level of complexity
that is almost unheard of, even in the history of the arts, and is
comparative to the skills of an advanced mathematician. Yer preachin' to
the priest the choir is upstairs.

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:58:32 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 17 2011, MU wrote:
>

> [...]

>
>>> First of all, you are assuming that the person counting their
>>> calories is always 10% over. That's not particularly likely.
>>
>> No, I am pointing out that a deviation from a true caloric count is
>> inevitable. For all the reasons I have set forth several times in this
>> thread.
>

> Yes, and I would bet that there are times when you have to *guess* how
> much steak you ate at a restaurant.

If you practice the 2PD OMER, you weigh, you don't guess.

> With practice, however, your guesses probably get pretty good. And
> even when they are bad, they are *way* better than just eating as
> much as you want.

Yes, of course.

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:58:55 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

> Yes, and I would bet that there are times when you have to *guess* how

> much steak you ate at a restaurant. With practice, however, your

> guesses probably get pretty good. And even when they are bad, they are
> *way* better than just eating as much as you want.
>

> My point is that you don't have to have a "true" caloric count for your
> measurements to be useful.

See below.

> Heck, that is why I have no problems believing that your method works.
> As I stated before your method is inherently less precise than mine.
> Unless, of course, you think that there is something magical about
> two pounds of food.

Magickal? No, does it work for every single person that I have ever
seen, heard or read that has adhered to a 2lb/day limitation. Yes.

It's up to you if you want to define that as majickal...or not.

> What eating two pounds of food per day really does is force the person
> to be more conscious of what they put in their mouth. When push
> comes to shove you are restricting calories even though you are
> measuring weight.

Until you drop "calories" from your mindset, you're doomed.

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:58:55 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

>>> What's more, you are also assuming that the person in question doesn't
>>> have access to a bathroom scale. That's even less likely.
>>
>> I made no assumption nor did I make any statement anything like that.
>

> Sure you did. For your criticism of calorie counting to work you have
> to assume that the calorie counter would fail to measure their weight
> often enough realize that they were eating too many calories. Unlike
> your fixed, one-size-fits-all 2 pounds of food per day plan, calorie
> counting is very flexible. If you find that you are still gaining
> weight with the amount of calories that you are eating you can *gasp*
> eat less. If you find that you are losing weight too slowly (or even
> too rapidly) you can modify your calorie intake appropriately.

Bathroom scales are nice but unnecessary and potentially delusional. The
most important fat to lose can be seen wit a mirror. It's the VAT that
hangs about your belly.

I only need either a mirror or finger calipers to determine if my VAT
content is out of line.

Truth, like the 2PD OMER is simple. Complexity (calorie counting) is for
fools.

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:58:55 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

>>> So your arguments against counting calories is that you feel that it
>>> is too imprecise to work.
>>
>> Not only too imprecise, it doesn't deal with the quantity of food that
>> your stomach will accept comfortably. This conformableness is a key
>> point that determines the 2PD OMER as a "doable" eating approach.
>

> My guess is that both two pounds of broccoli and two pounds of bacon
> would upset my stomach (for different reasons).

Guess what, then you won't eat it over and over again then will you?
Which is why I encouraged you to try eating 2lbs/day of /anything/
repeatedly.

> Besides, are you sure that two pounds fits *my* stomach comfortably, or
> are you just generalizing.

Unless you are an extraterrestrial, I am positive.

> Don't get me wrong. Like I have said before, I have no problems
> believing your approach works. My guess is that two pounds of food per
> day would put most people in a zone where on average they would be in
> caloric deficit.

Forget calories. Write it down 100x with chalk on a scratchy blackboard
and get back to MU when you have gotten the point.

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:58:32 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

>> For example, right now I am hungry for peanuts, and I happen to have
>>> 6 one pound jars of Planters Dry Roasted Peanuts in my cupboard.
>>> According to your theory I should be able to eat two pounds of those
>>> peanuts a day and still lose weight.
>>
>> You won't do that, you cannot do that but, please, go ahead and knock
>> yourself out trying.
>

> I am pretty sure that I could eat two pounds of peanuts in a single 24
> hour period. Heck, I have eaten one of those jars of peanuts before and
> still been hungry for peanuts.
>
> Peanuts are delicious.

Go for it.

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:58:32 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

>> Eat what you want up to 2 pounds per day. Truth is simple.
>

> I am afraid in this case that your truth is a little too simple.

Now we get to the crux of your problem. Simple somehow equates to
"simple-minded"; complex equates to intellectual.

lol

You haven't a clue to the complexities in life with a simple-minded, 2
dimensional view of reality. As you get older, you might...or might
not... see that the simple is the basis of existence, that you will
never get the simplest grasp of the complexities that engulf you. Heck,
you can't see them, have never experienced them, much less understand
them.

So with the need to fulfill your intellectual approach to consumption,
you count calories since you are certain that you are intellectual
enough to do so despite the fact that cal counting is only a scientific
enterprise to have any basis in fact. Bought that bomb calorimeter yet?
The instructions should satisfy your need for complex intellectual
pursuit.

But, hey, you're /simply/ one of billions of conditioned minds that have
been deluded into thinking that calories can be counted, that your mind
will prevail over the complex. My gosh, haven't you been properly
educated yet? lol

Shame. Not like it isn't a common, constantly recurring theme. Age
should solve that.

Then again, maybe not.

[MU]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:58:32 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

>> Truth is simple. Truth, or not, is your choice.
>

> Let's just say that I generally require a bit more evidence before I am
> willing to accept something as "truth."

What would be better evidence that you trying the 2PD OMER instead of
whining about not having any evidence?

> I will admit that your idea
> seems interesting, but I am quite happy with what I am doing now.

Then quit whining. When you are ready for evidence, instead of
"masterful" discussion, you'll try it.

Until then, it's whining.

> It has worked for me well enough that I am willing to put up with the
> hassle of recording everything I eat.

You won't keep up, no one does. Like the highwayman who /simply/ loves
the smooth tarmac, you conveniently ignore the =fact that the road you
have chosen comes to an abrupt deadend.

> The only real reason that I can see for switching to just weighing my
> food is that it would allow me to actually test to see if I could eat 2
> pounds of peanuts in 24 hours.
>
> I think I could.

<sigh>

[MU]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:29:16 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> You wanna talk false flag and USGV ops? No you don't. Not with me.

Mr. Giarmo, anyone can discuss un/declassified intelligence operations.
I have been involved in more than I can count.

If you truly understand these and classified operations, then you will
know that the discussion of classified intelligence is unlawful, illegal
and may find you, if you do not mind my quoting Kubrick/G. Sgt. Hartman
"in a world of shit".

[MU]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:29:16 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:17:36 -0400, MU wrote:
>
>> I made an analogy using Alex DeLarge from Clockwork Orange as a
>> conditioned individual as most people, certainly in the US, are
>> conditioned to overeat, waste not, etc. Alex' conditioning was both
>> artificial and environmental. So it is with overeating.

>> Let me make another analogy. Gluttony is a sin, a malady that only gets
>> worse the more often it is practiced. Could we not say the same thing
>> about Alex and violence - and Alex and nonviolence after his
>> MKUltra-like experiences?

>> Same is true of Jack Torrance, pedophilia and alcoholism. Kubrick often
>> highlights human misery and its abuse with the heightening of that
>> abusive action. Conditioning is just that, it increases ones abilities
>> and appetites whether it be a 25K, supersizing your MacMeal or romp in
>> the sack with a 9 year old.
>
> Kubrick's symbolic encoding operated on a deliberate level of complexity
> that is almost unheard of, even in the history of the arts, and is
> comparative to the skills of an advanced mathematician. Yer preachin' to
> the priest the choir is upstairs.

I am preaching to both.

As Kubrick's symbologies and message delivery is missed by the vast
majority of the movie viewing public, so it is with the exquisite art of
population mind control. They do not understand it and if they did, they
might not or could not remove themselves from it.

Conditioning the population to overconsumption is a devilish, extremely
well understood phenomena by those who deliver it ala Kubrick. Rarely is
any image or message unintentional, done by mistake alone; it's quite a
science.

[Mr. Millican]

MU is such a pathetic obvious phony. MU is nothing more than vapor. Hot
air. MU's default cop out; "that's classified".

> "in a world of shit".

Oh dear, girlyman MU is so scary, ominous and intimidating.

Take MU apart, Thomas.

[Whosoever]

On Sep 18, 4:48 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you practice the 2PD OMER, you weigh, you don't guess.

Of course 2IQ-0MER doesn't take into consideration that a rare steak
weighs more than a well done steak of the same cut. That the majority
of most food weight is water. That the 2 lbs of food (a wild guess by
Chung) the Everest climbers ate daily was of course 2 lbs of
dehydrated food, which would've weighed 6 lbs, if they didn't have to
lug it up 29029 feet.
That an apple weighs much more than a Twinkly.
That after 15 years, the 2IQ-0MER is still unheard of outside Usenet
and Chung's blogs and pamphlets.

[Whosoever]

On Sep 18, 4:52 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:58:55 -0600, Jason Earl wrote:

> >  Unless, of course, you think that there is something magical about
> > two pounds of food.
>
> Magickal?

No, "miraculous". After five years of failing to get anyone to accept
2IQ-0mer, Chung suddenly revealed that wile he cited himself as the
inventor, it was really a miraculous message from God. You know, like
Joesph Smith received. Except of course Smith's con job was a hit,
while Chung's remains a flop.

Now, all MU has to do is find a single theologian, Bible scholar or
historian to verify Chung's claims.
Or a single licensed nutritionist or dietitian to verify Chung's
claims.

Chung and MU have never provided anything other than anecdotal vapor.
Hot air.

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:27:40 -0400, MU wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:29:16 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
>
>> You wanna talk false flag and USGV ops? No you don't. Not with me.
>
> Mr. Giarmo, anyone can discuss un/declassified intelligence operations.
> I have been involved in more than I can count.

Montauk. Declassified?

> If you truly understand these and classified operations, then you will
> know that the discussion of classified intelligence is unlawful, illegal
> and may find you, if you do not mind my quoting Kubrick/G. Sgt. Hartman
> "in a world of shit".

This a threat?

[MU]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:57:32 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:27:40 -0400, MU wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:29:16 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
>>
>>> You wanna talk false flag and USGV ops? No you don't. Not with me.
>>
>> Mr. Giarmo, anyone can discuss un/declassified intelligence operations.
>> I have been involved in more than I can count.
>
> Montauk. Declassified?

As in NJ I presume? You can't declassify something that doesn't exist.
<grin>

>> If you truly understand these and classified operations, then you will
>> know that the discussion of classified intelligence is unlawful, illegal
>> and may find you, if you do not mind my quoting Kubrick/G. Sgt. Hartman
>> "in a world of shit".
>
> This a threat?

Mr. Giarmo, if you are threatened by the truth then yes. If you discuss
classified information, absolutely yes. I would assume you know that
since you hint at an understanding if not a participation in such
matters.

The Uniting (and) Strengthening America (by) Providing Appropriate Tools
Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001 is /very/
liberally applied and in the past, before it, liberal application
criminal prosecutions of near-treasonous actions were liberally applied.

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:06:30 -0400, MU wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:57:32 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:27:40 -0400, MU wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:29:16 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
>>>
>>>> You wanna talk false flag and USGV ops? No you don't. Not with me.
>>>
>>> Mr. Giarmo, anyone can discuss un/declassified intelligence operations.
>>> I have been involved in more than I can count.
>>
>> Montauk. Declassified?
>
> As in NJ I presume? You can't declassify something that doesn't exist.
> <grin>

Yer callin' me a liar? I was there, I know what I saw and what I
participated in. Yer callin' me out as a liar?

[MU]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:09:11 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:06:30 -0400, MU wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:57:32 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:27:40 -0400, MU wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:29:16 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You wanna talk false flag and USGV ops? No you don't. Not with me.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Giarmo, anyone can discuss un/declassified intelligence operations.
>>>> I have been involved in more than I can count.
>>>
>>> Montauk. Declassified?
>>
>> As in NJ I presume? You can't declassify something that doesn't exist.
>> <grin>
>
> Yer callin' me a liar? I was there, I know what I saw and what I
> participated in. Yer callin' me out as a liar?

I accept that you are telling the truth. I also accept OP Montauk as it
fits mortise to tendon with vetted public information supplanted by
reliable private discussion of which I am privy. Nonetheless it's your
Camp Hero and your knife.

[Whosoever]

On Sep 18, 6:57 am, "Thomas J. Giarmo" <tgia...@sandata.com> wrote:

> > If you truly understand these and classified operations, then you will
> > know that the discussion of classified intelligence is unlawful, illegal
> > and may find you, if you do not mind my quoting Kubrick/G. Sgt. Hartman
> > "in a world of shit".
>
> This a threat?

Yes. It was. He's been making them for years.
Of course if you try to pin him down on it, you'll just get more
smoke.

[Whosoever]

On Sep 18, 7:09 am, "Thomas J. Giarmo" <tgia...@sandata.com> wrote:

> Yer callin' me a liar?

Yes, he is. Anyone who disagrees with him is a liar in his eyes.

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:55:01 -0400, MU wrote:

>>>>> Mr. Giarmo, anyone can discuss un/declassified intelligence operations.
>>>>> I have been involved in more than I can count.
>>>>
>>>> Montauk. Declassified?
>>>
>>> As in NJ I presume? You can't declassify something that doesn't exist.
>>> <grin>
>>
>> Yer callin' me a liar? I was there, I know what I saw and what I
>> participated in. Yer callin' me out as a liar?
>
> I accept that you are telling the truth. I also accept OP Montauk

PROJECT Montauk.

> as it fits mortise to tendon with vetted public information supplanted
> by reliable private discussion of which I am privy. Nonetheless it's
> your Camp Hero

Trying to impress me?

> and your knife.

It's over your head anyway. FYI I saw the 5th floor down - yer have no
idea what that means - The basis of the Project is mind and reality
control and children abducted . MKUltra guy are you Mu then activities
in other covert mind control operations fit PM.

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

This Mu, for real or not? And you? Who are you?

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

I'll pin him and make the fool out of him if he fucks with me.

[MU]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:43:03 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Whosoever wrote:
>
>> On Sep 18, 7:09 am, "Thomas J. Giarmo" <tgia...@sandata.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yer callin' me a liar?
>>
>> Yes, he is. Anyone who disagrees with him is a liar in his eyes.
>

> And you? Who are you?

This ought to be good. lol

[MU]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:41:21 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:55:01 -0400, MU wrote:
>
>>>>>> Mr. Giarmo, anyone can discuss un/declassified intelligence operations.
>>>>>> I have been involved in more than I can count.
>>>>>
>>>>> Montauk. Declassified?
>>>>
>>>> As in NJ I presume? You can't declassify something that doesn't exist.
>>>> <grin>
>>>
>>> Yer callin' me a liar? I was there, I know what I saw and what I
>>> participated in. Yer callin' me out as a liar?
>>
>> I accept that you are telling the truth. I also accept OP Montauk
>
> PROJECT Montauk.
>
>> as it fits mortise to tendon with vetted public information supplanted
>> by reliable private discussion of which I am privy. Nonetheless it's
>> your Camp Hero
>
> Trying to impress me?
>
>> and your knife.
>
> It's over your head anyway. FYI I saw the 5th floor down - yer have no
> idea what that means - The basis of the Project is mind and reality
> control and children abducted .

Ill take you one further. It has been my pleasure to have experienced
remote viewing of several mil-intel projects of which Project Montauk
was one. These are civilian hence no classification.

I have little to no compunction in stating that the evidence of ET
intervention in our universe, Earth in particular, and ours in theirs,
is undeniable.

> MKUltra guy are you Mu...

Directly, yes.

> then activities in other covert mind control operations fit PM.

There are similarities and as many differences. USAF ran Montauk with
ONI, MKUltra ( II to be precise) was Army/Company. These two branches of
the service have differeing agendas.

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:54:20 -0400, MU wrote:

>> It's over your head anyway. FYI I saw the 5th floor down - yer have no
>> idea what that means - The basis of the Project is mind and reality
>> control and children abducted .
>
> Ill take you one further. It has been my pleasure to have experienced
> remote viewing of several mil-intel projects of which Project Montauk
> was one. These are civilian hence no classification.

You remotely viewed Montauk? I larf at you.

> I have little to no compunction in stating that the evidence of ET
> intervention in our universe, Earth in particular, and ours in theirs,
> is undeniable.

Seen a few reptilians, have you?

>> MKUltra guy are you Mu...
>
> Directly, yes.

Sure.

>> then activities in other covert mind control operations fit PM.
>
> There are similarities and as many differences. USAF ran Montauk with
> ONI, MKUltra ( II to be precise) was Army/Company. These two branches of
> the service have differeing agendas.

You act the good act, mu.

--
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[MU]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:36:40 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:54:20 -0400, MU wrote:
>
>>> It's over your head anyway. FYI I saw the 5th floor down - yer have no
>>> idea what that means - The basis of the Project is mind and reality
>>> control and children abducted .
>>
>> Ill take you one further. It has been my pleasure to have experienced
>> remote viewing of several mil-intel projects of which Project Montauk
>> was one. These are civilian hence no classification.
>
> You remotely viewed Montauk? I larf at you.

No. Others I know, yes.

>> I have little to no compunction in stating that the evidence of ET
>> intervention in our universe, Earth in particular, and ours in theirs,
>> is undeniable.
>
> Seen a few reptilians, have you?

If you are asking whether or not I have been in contact with ETs, that's
a very easy question to answer.

>>> MKUltra guy are you Mu...
>>
>> Directly, yes.
>
> Sure.

No need of MU to discuss if you believe I am lying.

>>> then activities in other covert mind control operations fit PM.
>>
>> There are similarities and as many differences. USAF ran Montauk with
>> ONI, MKUltra ( II to be precise) was Army/Company. These two branches of
>> the service have differeing agendas.
>
> You act the good act, mu.

No acts I assure you.

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:40:55 -0400, MU wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:36:40 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:54:20 -0400, MU wrote:
>>
>>>> It's over your head anyway. FYI I saw the 5th floor down - yer have no
>>>> idea what that means - The basis of the Project is mind and reality
>>>> control and children abducted .
>>>
>>> Ill take you one further. It has been my pleasure to have experienced
>>> remote viewing of several mil-intel projects of which Project Montauk
>>> was one. These are civilian hence no classification.
>>
>> You remotely viewed Montauk? I larf at you.
>
> No. Others I know, yes.

That's not what you said or intimated, mate, come clean, will ya?

[MU]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:57:57 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:40:55 -0400, MU wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:36:40 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:54:20 -0400, MU wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's over your head anyway. FYI I saw the 5th floor down - yer have no
>>>>> idea what that means - The basis of the Project is mind and reality
>>>>> control and children abducted .
>>>>
>>>> Ill take you one further. It has been my pleasure to have experienced
>>>> remote viewing of several mil-intel projects of which Project Montauk
>>>> was one. These are civilian hence no classification.
>>>
>>> You remotely viewed Montauk? I larf at you.
>>
>> No. Others I know, yes.
>
> That's not what you said or intimated, mate, come clean, will ya?

Your misinterpretation, later "cleaned" by my above comment, leaves one
to understand the truth.

Truth is simple.

[MU]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:41:21 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> FYI I saw the 5th floor down - yer have no idea what that means

A simple Google does.

> - The basis of the Project is mind and reality control and children
> abducted .

Montauk/Cape Hero had many, many aspects to it. Which was the primary is
a matter of outlook, personal preference or agenda.

Honestly, Montauk doesn't interest me.

[Mr. Millican]

Does MU ever take stock of the fact that MU is incapable of getting
along with anyone?

That if MU were a mature adult in a position of importance that involved
national security, MU would keep his yap shut about it instead of trying
to show it off?

> Truth is simple.

So Andrew Chung has written thousands of times, while clearly
demonstrating that what he considers to be truth, everyone else has
always recognized as silly troll bullshit.

[Z]

On Sep 18, 4:21 pm, "Mr. Millican" <j...@dbkjbfkJ.kdg> wrote:

>
> That if MU were a mature adult in a position of importance that involved
> national security, MU would keep his yap shut about it instead of trying
> to show it off?

Exactly. We live near a major military base and know a lot of high
ranking military personnel.
One friend has always been evasive about what he does "I don't like to
talk about work". One day while he was conversing with someone else
from the base who had just met him, he said something short and
cryptic and the new guy said, "Oh one of *those* jobs". It was then
that I realized this guy was in secret ops.

People who really are in secret ops, don't go around boasting about it
or even allude to it, even to close friends. They don't make
statements like "Osama bin Laden was killed back in 01, but that's all
I can say". Someone who's really in secret ops, wouldn't say anything
whatsoever, period. Not unless they were incredibly irresponsible and
immature. And people like that don't last long, before they're drummed
out.

MU tries to be as much of an embarrassment to the military and Chung
tries to be to Christianity.
IOW, they're both phonies. Two peas in a pod. The same person.

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:21:07 -0700, Mr. Millican wrote:

> Does MU ever take stock of the fact that MU is incapable of getting
> along with anyone?

He's a fraud and a misfit. I wondered.

> That if MU were a mature adult in a position of importance that involved
> national security, MU would keep his yap shut about it instead of trying
> to show it off?

This. Proof. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Z]

On Sep 18, 9:52 pm, "Thomas J. Giarmo" <tgia...@sandata.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:21:07 -0700, Mr. Millican wrote:
> > Does MU ever take stock of the fact that MU is incapable of getting
> > along with anyone?
>
> He's a fraud and a misfit. I wondered.

Oh, yes. Just do a Google groups search in sci.med.cardiology with any
of the following combination's:

MU + Troll
MU + Fraud
MU + Liar
MU + Sock-puppet

> This. Proof. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's certainly more substantial than anything you'll ever get from MU.

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

hehe your "MU" is in for a big surprise today. I grew up in Atlanta and
I know who "MU" is.

--
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Please feel free to email me tgi...@sandata.com or drop me a line!
Corporate Headquarters Port Washington, New York

[MU]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:02:45 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> hehe your "MU" is in for a big surprise today. I grew up in Atlanta and
> I know who "MU" is.

Grew up in Atlanta? As I am sure you know lol I did not. To be precise,
you did not grow up in Atlanta as much as you attended school in one of
its suburbs. Duluth I believe <grin>

Be that as it may, don't push your luck, you have already violated
classified information protocols and I had a very tiring weekend.

If you get my drift...<no grin>

[Z]

On Sep 19, 4:33 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:02:45 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
> > hehe your "MU" is in for a big surprise today. I grew up in Atlanta and
> > I know who "MU" is.
>
> Grew up in Atlanta? As I am sure you know lol I did not. To be precise,
> you did not grow up in Atlanta as much as you attended school in one of
> its suburbs. Duluth I believe <grin>

That doesn't change the possibility of him knowing who MU is.

> Be that as it may, don't push your luck, you have already violated
> classified information protocols and I had a very tiring weekend.
>
> If you get my drift...<no grin>

Uh oh, girlyman MU sounds nervous.

If MU had a penny for every Usenet threat he's carried out, and there
are dozens of them, MU would be penniless.

It's always fun to watch when a fraud gets slammed by the real
mccoy :-)

<grabs popcorn, puts feet up>

[Thomas J. Giarmo]

I have to get to work but I will have a very special surprise for you
*Courtney* during my lunch. You've fucked with the wrong guy this time
*Courtney*.

[Jeanne Calment of France]

On 9/19/2011 4:33 AM, MU wrote:

>
> If you get my drift...<no grin>

Yeah, it smells like bullshit. No, wait, correction; chickenshit.

MU. is. toast.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:

> MU wrote:
>> Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:
>>
>>> hehe your "MU" is in for a big surprise today. I grew up in Atlanta and
>>> I know who "MU" is.
>>
>> Grew up in Atlanta? As I am sure you know lol I did not. To be precise,
>> you did not grow up in Atlanta as much as you attended school in one of
>> its suburbs. Duluth I believe <grin>
>>
>> Be that as it may, don't push your luck, you have already violated
>> classified information protocols and I had a very tiring weekend.
>>
>> If you get my drift...<no grin>
>
>I have to get to work but I will have a very special surprise for you
>*Courtney* during my lunch. You've fucked with the wrong guy this time
>*Courtney*.

Hints:

MU's real name is not Courtney ...

Nor is it Andrew ...

Nor is it Roose ...

Nor is it Rod ...

Nor is it Jeanne Calment of France, who lived a near-perfect life as
evident by the joy she had that comes from loving others including her
enemies. Yes, love covers many transgressions including smoking.
Drinking alcohol in France is not a transgression. Neither is eating
chocolate.

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:

Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946

Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946

Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946

Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946

Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth

May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the Truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?

[Happy Oyster <>]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:56:07 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WIJ.com> wrote:

>This has all been about

No. It is all lies.
--

Peter Köhlmann has spoken. Is this his pic?:
http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/attention_whore4.jpg

[Jeanne Calment of France]

On 9/19/2011 6:56 AM, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

>
> Hints:
>
> MU's real name is not Courtney ...

Is too.

> Nor is it Andrew ...

Might as well be. Andrew Jr.

> Nor is it Roose ...

Yes it was.

> Nor is it Rod ...

No, Rod is Charlotte Fairchild

> Nor is it Jeanne Calment of France, who lived a near-perfect life as
> evident by the joy she had that comes from loving others including her
> enemies. Yes, love covers many transgressions including smoking.
> Drinking alcohol in France is not a transgression. Neither is eating
> chocolate.

You can see here, that Chung can never accept reality. Instead of
admitting to his latest blunder, along with his "Jayne Cobb" blunder, at
least to himself, he plunges into the deepest denial.

Did Jeanne Calment of France ever declare Jesus is Lord?
Has that suddenly became a non-priority for Chung?

In the story I read about Calment, a man following a French custom,
agreed to meet her financial needs, if she willed over her property to
him. This took place when she was 93. Well, of course she out lived the
man who died at 77, and then she kept this man's children on the hook.
Yeah, nice lady.

[Jeanne Calment of France]

On 9/19/2011 6:56 AM, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

>
> Hints:
>
> MU's real name is not Courtney ...

Is too.

> Nor is it Andrew ...

Might as well be. Andrew Jr.

> Nor is it Roose ...

Yes it was.

> Nor is it Rod ...

No, Rod is Charlotte Fairchild

> Nor is it Jeanne Calment of France, who lived a near-perfect life as
> evident by the joy she had that comes from loving others including her
> enemies. Yes, love covers many transgressions including smoking.
> Drinking alcohol in France is not a transgression. Neither is eating
> chocolate.

You can see here, that Chung can never accept reality. Instead of

[Z]

Silly and predictable as it is, it's a fairly entertaining show down.
Taking into consideration of the fact that Usenet offers mighty slim
pickings these days.

[Z]

On Sep 18, 8:54 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Ill take you one further. It has been my pleasure to have experienced
> remote viewing of several mil-intel projects

What an amazing coincidence, so has Courtney Brown!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9vJurtP99I&feature=related

[Z]

As someone who is a personal friend of Art Bell, and who has worked
for Nellis Air Force Base and "Area 51" since 1968, let me just say,
Bwahahahahah. What a load.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

an accursed lying sock puppet wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Hints:
> >
> > MU's real name is not Courtney ...
>
> Is too.

Not for either the discerning or those who actually know Dr. Courtney
Brown.

Moreover, not for Ace, who claims to have hired a pet detective to
find out MU's real name.

> > Nor is it Andrew ...
>
> Might as well be. Andrew Jr.

Only for the accursed like you who have been rendered encephalopathic
by a spongiform process of GOD's design.

May GOD continue to curse **and** torment you for all eternity in the
name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:

> Many will use My name... to deceive - Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:5)

That is a distortion of what is written at Matthew 24:5 in a vain
attempt to change the meaning of the verse.

Instead, what is actually written in the Bible is:

"For many will come in My Name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will
deceive many." (Mat 24:5)

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/Healer ) has made no claim to be the
Messiah for he is instead a gentile disciple ( http://WDJW.net ) of
the Messiah.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7bfa50169a1999b8?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is
>> to http://WDJW.net/Guard (Proverbs 4:23) the heart by holding to the
> > right daily amount (32 oz) of food.
>
> Untrue.

Not for the discerning who know that the definition of overeating is
simply eating more than the right daily amount and understand that
eating less than the right amount is unhealthy.

It is as written in the Bible that the path to righteousness is a
narrow one.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5b4e544bad57e017?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote in part:

> Chung invented this thing (2PD-OMER Approach) in 1998
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120661/

Lie.

The inspiration from the Holy Spirit about the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
(Exo 16:16) Approach happened in 1997 during the viewing of an IMAX
Mt.Everest documentary that started playing at the Tennessee Aquarium
circa 1996:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_85211.asp

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/07655d6751a7876f?

MU wrote:
> an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> Awareness is indeed lacking in folks who are not aware of how much
> >> they are eating.
> >
> > What's lacking is... an iota of obtainable empirical clinical evidence
> > to back up Chung's claims regarding the 2pid diet.

The LORD's http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER (Exodus 16:16) Approach is
http://WDJW.net/NotDiet

Truth is simply reality and there is simply no truth in accursed lying
sockpuppets.

> Fine then don't use it. Few care about a worthless Usenet troll's
> obesity anyway. I sure don't.

We should care about hapless folks possibly being deceived by its lies
when the fact is that the greatest possible clinical evidence from the
Great Physician is as published in the greatest book of all time and
is readily available at Deuteronomy 8:4 where data is given that the
hundreds of thousands using His 2PD-OMER Approach avoided vascular
disease (their feet did not swell) and avoided obesity (their clothes
did not wear out) for the 40 year clinical trial period.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/926e5bcc0d043bb1?

an accursed lying sockpuppet despairingly wrote:
>
> Andy thinks he has exclusive Holy Spirit powers surpassing everyone
> who's ever lived including the likes of Moses, Elijah, John the Baptist...

No.

Simply smarter as evident by the MD/PhD with all glory to GOD :-)

Neither Moses nor Elijah nor John the Baptist were made smarter by the
Great Teacher, Who is the smartest as evident by His outsmarting (Luke
4:4 & Matthew 4:4) satan, who is your master.

Yes, Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the smartest for it is written we,
who are His students (disciples) would not be greater than our
Teacher.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f56a8a1222c99e16?

an accursed lying sockpuppet despairingly wrote:
>
> Sure, all cardiologists with an active medical practice are up all
> night long posting to Usenet, NOT :-)

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) with an active medical
practice has found it easy (Matthew 11:30) to post on Usenet for 15
straight years for he can do all things through Christ Who strengthens
(Philippians 4:13) him:

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=6C6o9RAAAAAj1Qz8rurzCCsxxW5NHYEh

Laus Deo :-)

May GOD continue to curse to the Nth generation all the real humans
who presently know the identity of the person(s) behind the lying
sockpuppets here, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1371ce5d2ed324a6?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
>
> Here's what I found on the comments section of
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dt8vK2CHWN5w
>
> What if you are wrong? What if it is not possible to say, "Jesus is
> Lord" except by the Holy Spirit?
> CharlotteFairchild
> ----
> The issue here is; can someone who is not saved say "Jesus is Lord"
> and still remain unsaved?

No, the issue here is what is written at 1 Corinthians 12:3 that "no
one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/949f339e3805a33f?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8cc4f06c46cb1536?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w
> >
> > Steve's demons don't have mouths for they are non-corporeal. Truth is simply
> > reality :-)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1c7ef6e03178d26c?

> The guy on the video said he's heard demons who have *possessed* someone
> say "Jesus is Lord"

Steve's demons would not be able to "possess" anyone if they were
corporeal demons (i.e. folks who have unwisely blasphemed against the
Holy Spirit so that they will not ever be http://WDJW.net/Forgiven ).
It is the person via the Holy Spirit indwelling in the mind of the
"possessed" person and not the demons indwelling in the heart
(Jeremiah 17:9) that says "Jesus is LORD" with the mouth for it is
written that "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy
Spirit."(1 Corinthians 12:3) Again, truth is simply reality :-)

Laus Deo for your unwittingly confirming what the Holy Spirit has
guided this physician ( http://WDJW.net/Healer ) to write :-)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f22899bf498b84e8?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Yes, absolutely "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy
>> Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3) and there is absolutely no reason for the
>> Holy Spirit to help demons say "Jesus is LORD" with their mouths unto
>> salvation (Romans 10:10) and indeed the Bible teacher in the YouTube
>> audiofile below isn't a demon as prodigal as he is as evident by his
>> teaching falsely for 40 years that demons can say "Jesus is LORD" with
>> their mouth unto salvation:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w
>>
>> Demons don't have mouths for they are non-corporeal. Truth is simply
>> reality :-)
>>
>> And so this gentile Christian disciple, in the Holy Spirit (
>> http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ) humbly (Deu8:3) prays:
>>
>> May GOD curse all who continue to falsely teach that anyone can say
>> "Jesus is LORD" (i.e. like a parrot) thereby contradicting what's been
>> proven at http://WDJW.net/1Cor123 just as the LORD cursed the fig tree
>> right before driving the money-changers out of the Temple in
>> Jerusalem, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
>>
>> Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/154e8c3cb58c570c?

>Well, Andy, here's a little challenge for you. Give him a call and
>discuss it with him on the air.

There really is nothing to discuss. The fact remains that Steve's
demons are non-corporeal which does mean they have neither mouth nor
tongue to use to say "Jesus is LORD."

>His show, The Narrow Path, airs from 9:30 to 10:00 AM and from 2:00 to
>3:00 PM, Monday through Friday.
>
>The phone number for the 9:30 to 10:00 AM program is: 1-800-227-5278
>
>The phone number for the 2:00 to 3:00 PM program is: 1-800-438-5090.
>
>Steve encourages people who disagree with him, to air their disputes.

Opinions come from the heart which is deceitfully wicked (Jeremiah
17:9) so that those like Steve who opine while encouraging others to
do the same are invariably wrong in what they teach and are thus
sinning. He should stop sinning before something worse happens to him
(John 5:14).

>Steve is highly regarded for his ability to stay calm and relaxed,
>rather than getting upset or offended. He even has a lecture called,
>"Refuse to be offended".

Additional false teaching for the Source of our perfect peace is not
self according to what is written at Psalm 119:165.

> He doesn't want someone to basically use the show as a platform to
> preach their viewpoint as opposed to conducting a civil discussion.
> But I've seen him display remarkable patience even along those lines.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8cc4f06c46cb1536?

> From that video log:
>
> @CharlotteFairchild wrote "The Omer is"
> I just got a private message about Andrew Chung and? this board being
> trolled by you. Bye.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a6c90e6e01a904d?

> So how's about it, Andy? Are you capable of going toe to toe with this
> man on the air?

Steve is not capable of going toe to toe with a woman named Charlotte
Fairchild much less this physician ( http://WDJW.net/Healer ) who is
in the Holy Spirit ( http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ).

Laus Deo :-)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/593d6066d9c6b997?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote and cross-posted to
alt.christnet.christianlife:

> Dear Claire,
> First of all, I will abide with your request.

Her request is that you not cross-post to alt.christnet.christianlife

Laus Deo for your unwittingly proving that you cannot help lying (i.e.
it's pathological).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d53f5a174d271e0b?

MU wrote:
> an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
>> MU wrote:
>>> an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>> MU wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoo boy, I guess we put a burr under his rump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *LOL*
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Laus Deo for His answering our prayers by cursing them :-)
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so this is what you and your sockpuppet "prayed" for, eh?
>>>
>>> No just expected. lulz
>>
>> Then you'll have nothing to complain about. Win win :-)
>
> Whose complaining?

Their handlers will be complaining to their physicians about feeling
more tired then usual because they are now cursed by GOD.

Then they will wither away as did the fig tree did after being cursed
by Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

We will later watch their souls get tossed into the lake of fire being
prepared for them (Revelation 20:15).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b879734d0eca1dc7?

And, if there are any born-again handlers of these lying sockpuppets,
may GOD blot their names from His Book of Life so that they will no
longer have the help of the Holy Spirit to say "Jesus is LORD" so that
they will also be cast into the lake of fire being prepared for them
(Revelation 20:15) in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/009b5b0593fbc39d?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > May GOD curse to the Nth generation all the real humans who presently
> > know the identity of the person(s) behind the lying sockpuppets here, in
> > the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
>
> Proof that Chung is both lost and insane.

Lie.

Those who are either lost or insane or both, cannot pray to GOD in the
name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

> And apparently *not* a true disciple of Christ.

Not for the discerning who remember what happened to Ananias and
Sapphira when they lied before the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-10) and what
happened to Bob Pastorio when he lied before the Holy Spirit (
http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ), Who indwells in this gentile Christian
disciple ( http://WDJW.net ):

The lie:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4b8bcd96b22382ed

The consequence:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
(an inauspicious death from cancer on Fool's day)

> Like Satan's demons, false disciples can say "Jesus is Lord" in
> mockery and to deceive:
>
> Proof:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w

Those saying "Jesus is LORD" in the above YouTube video are neither
satan's demons nor false disciples. Instead, they are prodigal Bible
teachers expressing their opinions, which coming from the heart are
invariably false, and are simply not disciples of Christ as evident by
their forgetting that "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the
Holy Spirit." (1 Corinthians 12:3)

http://WDJW.net/1Cor123

Laus Deo for His annihilating you with fires from Heaven for all to
witness in wide-eyed wonder and amazement :-)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/23ec5e39f66f0d27?

liaM wrote:
> an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
>
> > Please do post an NYT article about 2PD-OMER. How's about an article
> > about 2PD-OMER from any major publication magazine.

Here's the verse citation about the LORD's 2PD-OMER Approach in the
most important book in all the universe in all of time:

Exodus 16:16 :-)

> What a small mind you have, whoeveryouare...

It along with its mind is withering away just as the fig tree cursed
by Jesus Christ of Nazareth withered away.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f1641e59c9001556?

a lying sockpuppet while being annihilated by fires from Heaven wrote:
> Derek F wrote:
>
> > Is a dropping daytime BP over a period of a few months a sign of
> > worsening aortic stenosis?
> > Derek
>
> Derek, the only people you'll reach here are kooks and trolls.

Lie.

Name-calling is by definition lying.a

Additional proof that the sockpuppets are lying:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/50fd1f1654fb9b37?

Simply do a Google profile to confirm this physician's awesome 15 year
posting history in sci.med.cardiology:

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=6C6o9RAAAAAj1Qz8rurzCCsxxW5NHYEh

Laus Deo :-)

May GOD continue to curse to the Nth generation all the real humans
who presently know the identity of the person(s) behind the lying
sockpuppets here, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement with all glory to the LORD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) would not have been able
to effortlessly do 32 push-ups in perfect form (with absolutely
straight knees and back) while concurrently saying "Jesus is LORD" in
32 different languages had he not successfully (Philippians 4:13)
achieved http://WDJW.net/NoVAT per the LORD's http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach, with all glory to GOD the Father.

Moreover, HeartDoc Andrew boldly (i.e. in full unobstructed view of on-
lookers at a public park during the bright light of day) wearing a
half-shirt that bared his midriff during the perfect push-ups has made
it very clear that he has absolutely no VAT as evident by (instead of
distension/protuberance) creases, which are 100% consistent with his
having no detectable CRP even with the high sensitivity assays :-)

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Laus Deo :-)

http://WDJW.net/LausDeo

Bottom line concerning lying sockpuppets:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/56bb9a314e1f0585?

As the fires from Heaven destroy their lies, the sockpuppets do cease
to exist :-)

May GOD continue to annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from
Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist

and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

[Z]

, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

> > > MU's real name is not Courtney ...
>
> > Is too.
>
> Not for either the discerning or those who actually know Dr. Courtney
> Brown.

Lie.

Truth is not in Andrew Chung. Who is a silly little girlyman, like
Courtney "MU" Brown, who has a girl's name and rides a girl's
motorcycle. Courtney "MU" Brown, who was manipulated into revealing
himself. Just as Andrew B. Chung was manipulated into making a silly
video of himself (which was a fail).

Two PHD's who have made complete laughingstocks of themselves. Who
behave like children.

> Moreover, not for Ace, who claims to have hired a pet detective to
> find out MU's real name.

I agree that Courtney "MU" Brown is definitely Ace's pet, the same as
Chung. Although they're not just Ace's pets, by a long shot. The Chung
& MuBrown lap dogs dance for many. Dancing and jump through hoops, is
the fate Chung & MuBrown have decreed for themselves.

Any sort of detective being needed was pure sarcasm of course, as
Courtney "MU" Brown's tragic life, as with Andrew Chung's tragic life;
all the embarrassing info on demonic duo, is readily available for all
to retrieve.

> > > Nor is it Andrew ...
>
> > Might as well be. Andrew Jr.
>
> Only for the accursed like you who have been rendered encephalopathic
> by a spongiform process of GOD's design.

If God did that to Dr. Andrew Chung, MD/PhD and Courtney "MU" Brown,
PhD (explains a lot), they should stop sinning before something worse
happens to them.

> May GOD continue to curse **and** torment you for all eternity in the
> name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Andrew Chung and Courtney "MU" Brown, should simply stop sinning,
rather than desire such a demise for themselves.
But unfortunately the neurological illnesses they suffer, as
identified by Andrew B. Chung MD/PhD, prevents them from repenting of
their reprobate ways :-(

[Tom]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 01:45:42 -0700 (PDT), Z wrote:

> As someone who is a personal friend of Art Bell, and who has worked
> for Nellis Air Force Base and "Area 51" since 1968,

*BWAHHHHHAAAAHHHHHAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*

[dr. Raj]

Oh it's true. Z was closely involved with the MLAK/JXP project. Never
heard of it? That's how top secret it is. Makes remote viewing
conversations with Jesus Christ while negotiating with reptilians,
quite mediocre in comparison.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Z wrote:

> , "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>
> > > > MU's real name is not Courtney ...
> >
> > > Is too.
> >
> > Not for either the discerning or those who actually know Dr. Courtney
> > Brown.
>
> Lie.
>
> Truth is not in Andrew Chung. Who is a silly little girlyman,

HOMOPHOBIC BIGOT!
FAG'S exist, GET USED TO IT!
SETHIAN'S, are the LEVITES, and it is Time for US to RETURN to OUR PLACE in
the WORLD!
MOMMY, likes "US", BEST!
WE, gave the WORLD, the TEACHINGS of "GOD", not your Chauvinist Liars!

[dr. Raj]

On Sep 23, 7:53 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"

<laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
> Z wrote:
> > , "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"  wrote:
>
> > > > > MU's real name is not Courtney ...
>
> > > > Is too.
>
> > > Not for either the discerning or those who actually know Dr. Courtney
> > > Brown.
>
> > Lie.
>
> > Truth is not in Andrew Chung. Who is a silly little girlyman,
>
> HOMOPHOBIC BIGOT!
> FAG'S exist, GET USED TO IT!

If it had been written, silly little man, would you then object? You
are the one displaying prejudice, Lady.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement with all glory to GOD:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

Yes, absolutely "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy
Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3) and there is absolutely no reason for the

Holy Spirit to help demons say "Jesus is LORD" unto salvation (Romans
10:10) and indeed the Bible teacher in the YouTube audiofile below,
which was offered as proof that even demons can say "Jesus is LORD,"

isn't a demon as prodigal as he is as evident by his teaching falsely

for 40 years that anyone can say "Jesus is LORD" (i.e. like a parrot)
without needing the help of the Holy Spirit (i.e. in direct
contradiction to Scripture) and that he has witnessed demons say
"Jesus is LORD" though they are non-corporeal (i.e. invisible sans
tongue/mouth):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w

Not only is it not written that any demon has ever said "Jesus is
LORD" anywhere in the Bible, the irrefutable fact remains that demons
don't have either tongues or mouths to use to confess that "Jesus is
LORD" for they are non-corporeal. Truth is simply reality :-)

Now here's a YouTube video of this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) being used by GOD to shape the fires from Heaven that are
annihilating all the accursed lying sockpuppets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ

And so this gentile Christian disciple, in the Holy Spirit (
http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ) humbly (Deu8:3) prays:

May GOD curse all who continue to falsely teach that anyone can say

"Jesus is LORD" thereby directly contradicting what's written at 1
Corinthians 12:3 just as the LORD cursed the fig tree right before

driving the money-changers out of the Temple in Jerusalem, in the name
of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Amen.

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
life in remembrance of the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/949f339e3805a33f?

Be hungrier, which truly is wonderfully healthier for the heart, soul,
mind, and body:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f882137d4e2858d8?

We do this by weighing our meals per the LORD's http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
(Exodus 16:16) Approach to get our...

This has all been about the truth:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fc8ddf9938aa594b?

May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that

they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the Truth,

Andrew <><
--

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

When it "WAS WRITTEN and you LIE ABOUT IT, I OBJECT!
SETHIANS, are hardly AGAINST GOD, even JESUS told you so in Matthew 19:

[Ace♠]

On Sep 25, 9:33 pm, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"

<laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:

>
> When it "WAS WRITTEN and you LIE ABOUT IT, I OBJECT!

You just don't get the context because you're from another planet.

> SETHIANS, are hardly AGAINST GOD, even JESUS told you so in Matthew 19:

Please keep your pagan doodlydoo to yourself ye sorceress.

A*

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Chang]

Regarding Andrew B. Chung:

13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading
as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades
as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants
also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what
their actions deserve (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
>

According to what is written in the Bible, apostles, either true or
false, are Jewish and not Chinese.

Laus Deo for His compelling you to unwittingly confirm your accursed
condition.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dd1df05876f25874?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Hints:
> >
> > MU's real name is not Courtney ...
>
> Is too.

Not for either the discerning or those who actually know Dr. Courtney
Brown.

Moreover, not for Ace, who claims to have hired a pet detective to
find out MU's real name.

> > Nor is it Andrew ...
>
> Might as well be. Andrew Jr.

Only for the accursed like you who have been rendered encephalopathic
by a spongiform process of GOD's design.

May GOD continue to curse **and** torment you for all eternity in the

name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/50520db62b8420b3?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7bfa50169a1999b8?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5b4e544bad57e017?

Lie.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_85211.asp

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/07655d6751a7876f?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/926e5bcc0d043bb1?

No.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f56a8a1222c99e16?

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=6C6o9RAAAAAj1Qz8rurzCCsxxW5NHYEh

Laus Deo :-)

sockpuppets here, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1371ce5d2ed324a6?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
>
> Here's what I found on the comments section of
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dt8vK2CHWN5w
>
> What if you are wrong? What if it is not possible to say, "Jesus is
> Lord" except by the Holy Spirit?
> CharlotteFairchild
> ----
> The issue here is; can someone who is not saved say "Jesus is Lord"
> and still remain unsaved?

No, the issue here is what is written at 1 Corinthians 12:3 that "no

one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/949f339e3805a33f?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8cc4f06c46cb1536?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w
> >

> > Steve's demons don't have mouths for they are non-corporeal. Truth is simply
> > reality :-)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1c7ef6e03178d26c?

> The guy on the video said he's heard demons who have *possessed* someone
> say "Jesus is Lord"

Steve's demons would not be able to "possess" anyone if they were
corporeal demons (i.e. folks who have unwisely blasphemed against the
Holy Spirit so that they will not ever be http://WDJW.net/Forgiven ).
It is the person via the Holy Spirit indwelling in the mind of the
"possessed" person and not the demons indwelling in the heart
(Jeremiah 17:9) that says "Jesus is LORD" with the mouth for it is

written that "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy

Spirit."(1 Corinthians 12:3) Again, truth is simply reality :-)

Laus Deo for your unwittingly confirming what the Holy Spirit has
guided this physician ( http://WDJW.net/Healer ) to write :-)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f22899bf498b84e8?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>

>> Yes, absolutely "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy
>> Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3) and there is absolutely no reason for the

>> Holy Spirit to help demons say "Jesus is LORD" with their mouths unto

>> salvation (Romans 10:10) and indeed the Bible teacher in the YouTube

>> audiofile below isn't a demon as prodigal as he is as evident by his

>> teaching falsely for 40 years that demons can say "Jesus is LORD" with
>> their mouth unto salvation:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w
>>

>> Demons don't have mouths for they are non-corporeal. Truth is simply
>> reality :-)
>>

>> And so this gentile Christian disciple, in the Holy Spirit (
>> http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ) humbly (Deu8:3) prays:
>>
>> May GOD curse all who continue to falsely teach that anyone can say

>> "Jesus is LORD" (i.e. like a parrot) thereby contradicting what's been

>> proven at http://WDJW.net/1Cor123 just as the LORD cursed the fig tree

>> right before driving the money-changers out of the Temple in
>> Jerusalem, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
>>
>> Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/154e8c3cb58c570c?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8cc4f06c46cb1536?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a6c90e6e01a904d?

Laus Deo :-)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/593d6066d9c6b997?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d53f5a174d271e0b?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b879734d0eca1dc7?

(Revelation 20:15) in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/009b5b0593fbc39d?

an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > May GOD curse to the Nth generation all the real humans who presently

> > know the identity of the person(s) behind the lying sockpuppets here, in

> > the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
>

> Proof that Chung is both lost and insane.

Lie.

Those who are either lost or insane or both, cannot pray to GOD in the

name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

> And apparently *not* a true disciple of Christ.

Not for the discerning who remember what happened to Ananias and
Sapphira when they lied before the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-10) and what

happened to Bob Pastorio when he lied before the Holy Spirit (

http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ), Who indwells in this gentile Christian
disciple ( http://WDJW.net ):

The lie:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4b8bcd96b22382ed

The consequence:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
(an inauspicious death from cancer on Fool's day)

> Like Satan's demons, false disciples can say "Jesus is Lord" in
> mockery and to deceive:
>
> Proof:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w

Those saying "Jesus is LORD" in the above YouTube video are neither
satan's demons nor false disciples. Instead, they are prodigal Bible
teachers expressing their opinions, which coming from the heart are
invariably false, and are simply not disciples of Christ as evident by

their forgetting that "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the

http://WDJW.net/1Cor123

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/23ec5e39f66f0d27?

Exodus 16:16 :-)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f1641e59c9001556?

Lie.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/50fd1f1654fb9b37?

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=6C6o9RAAAAAj1Qz8rurzCCsxxW5NHYEh

Laus Deo :-)

sockpuppets here, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement with all glory to the LORD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) would not have been able
to effortlessly do 32 push-ups in perfect form (with absolutely
straight knees and back) while concurrently saying "Jesus is LORD" in
32 different languages had he not successfully (Philippians 4:13)

achieved http://WDJW.net/NoVAT per the LORD's http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER

Approach, with all glory to GOD the Father.

Moreover, HeartDoc Andrew boldly (i.e. in full unobstructed view of on-
lookers at a public park during the bright light of day) wearing a
half-shirt that bared his midriff during the perfect push-ups has made
it very clear that he has absolutely no VAT as evident by (instead of
distension/protuberance) creases, which are 100% consistent with his
having no detectable CRP even with the high sensitivity assays :-)

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Laus Deo :-)

http://WDJW.net/LausDeo

Bottom line concerning lying sockpuppets:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/56bb9a314e1f0585?

As the fires from Heaven destroy their lies, the sockpuppets do cease
to exist :-)

May GOD continue to annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from
Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement with all glory to GOD:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

Yes, absolutely "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy
Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3) and there is absolutely no reason for the

Holy Spirit to help demons say "Jesus is LORD" unto salvation (Romans
10:10) and indeed the Bible teacher in the YouTube audiofile below,

which was offered as proof that even demons can say "Jesus is LORD,"

isn't a demon as prodigal as he is as evident by his teaching falsely

for 40 years that anyone can say "Jesus is LORD" (i.e. like a parrot)
without needing the help of the Holy Spirit (i.e. in direct
contradiction to Scripture) and that he has witnessed demons say
"Jesus is LORD" though they are non-corporeal (i.e. invisible sans
tongue/mouth):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w

Not only is it not written that any demon has ever said "Jesus is
LORD" anywhere in the Bible, the irrefutable fact remains that demons
don't have either tongues or mouths to use to confess that "Jesus is

LORD" for they are non-corporeal. Truth is simply reality :-)

Moreover, there are additional verses about confessing/preaching the
name of the LORD that are essentially also referring to saying "Jesus
is LORD" as being linked to salvation:

“Everyone who confesses the name of the LORD must turn away from
wickedness.” (2 Timothy 2:19)

"For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as LORD, and
ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake." (2 Corinthians 4:5)

Now here's a YouTube video of this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) being used by GOD to shape the fires from Heaven that are
annihilating all the accursed lying sockpuppets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ

And so this gentile Christian disciple, in the Holy Spirit (
http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ) humbly (Deu8:3) prays:

May GOD curse (Deuteronomy 11:28) all who continue to falsely teach

that anyone can say "Jesus is LORD" thereby directly contradicting

what's written at 1 Corinthians 12:3 just as the LORD cursed the fig

tree right before driving the money-changers out of the Temple in
Jerusalem, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Amen.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

> John Park wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

> > > Derek F wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

> > >>> John Park wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> If a patient awaiting aortic valve replacement is found during an
> > >>>> angiogram to have two partially blocked arteries would the bypass and
> > >>>> valve replacement be performed at the same time. The patient is 77 and
> > >>>> relatively fit.
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes, we typically perform angiograms on patients awaiting aortic valve
> > >>> replacement in hopes of possibly helping them avoid a 2nd open-heart
> > >>> operation soon after their 1st.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you.
> > >
> > > Laus Deo :-)
> > >
> > >> What would normally be the time between procedures.
> > >
> > > The open-heart surgery is typically performed within a week of the
> > > angiogram.
> > >
> > >> Sounds
> > >> like patients must have a year of their life on hold.... better of
> > >> course than the alternative.
> > >
> > > If the surgery were to be delayed, we typically hold off on doing the
> > > angiogram until the week before the planned aortic valve replacement.
> >
> > Sorry, I meant the time between the first and second operations.
>
> There shouldn't be a second operation if a pre-op angiogram is done.
> When an angiogram is **not** done, there would then be the possible
> post-op discovery of a need for a second open-heart surgery (i.e.
> CABG).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6e9fc6f0b2c05733?

Additional thought:

Calcific sclerosis of the aortic valve is a consequence of having VAT
as is coronary atherosclerosis so that we are not surprised when the
angiogram leads to the recommendation that CABG also be done with the
valve replacement.

The absolutely only healthy way to lose the VAT is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
(Proverbs 4:23) the heart by holding to the right amount (32 oz) of
daily food thereby stopping the overeating.

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER

physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by changing stoney hearts to
fleshy hearts and giving their minds a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26)

so that they would be born again of water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that they would come to trust the

truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist

[Great Sage Itchy]

About the CHUNG "2IQ-MRON Diet", the "diet" for morons and
self-righteous, arrogant, assholes who sit in front of computers all
day spamming the internet in hopes that "God" will reward them with
both riches, and a front-row seat in his "Heavenly Palace":

The Chung "2IQ-MRON Diet" combines "religious" extremism with dietary
extremism. The origin of this diet is Chung's new interpretation of
biblical scripture which reveals that both "Jesus" and "God" carried
around scales, and "religiously" weighed everything they ate, never
consuming more than a biblical "OMER", todays equivalent of 2 pounds
(according to Chung). Chung further claims that WHAT you eat is not
important, eat roadkill if you like. Just don't get carried away and
consume more than 2 pounds. Chung adds in the strongest terms, that
going over 2 pounds even once is a "perishing soul" offense, and warns
that his Messiah, "LORD" Jesus Christ**, teacher of love and
forgiveness, will personally roast alive all offenders.

The 2-digit IQ world of fanatical Evangelical so-called "Christianity",
(aka "Jesus is LORD" "Christianity") now has a "diet", thanks to one of
its most INSANE fanatics, Andrew B. Chung. A diet derived, in true
evangelical fashion, by interpreting the Bible to suit the needs of the
true 2-digit believers. A diet that ignores almost everything about
diet from science and common sense, and substitutes a rigid rule about
the "God ordained" (according to Andrew B. Chung) "right" quantity. It
doesn't seem to matter whether you live in the tropics or Alaska,
whether you work as a lumberjack or an office worker, or even WHAT you
eat. Everyone MUST ALWAYS eat 2 pounds of food per day, and no more.
Nothing else matters in the world that brought us "Creation Science".

No medical professional would EVER endorse The Chung diet, just as no
real scientist would ever endorse Creationism. Both are what happens
when stupid "religious" fanatics attempt to force their stupid LITERAL
interpretation of the Bible into the fields of science and medicine, to
"PROVE" that THEY are the "smart" ones.
Food is primarily fuel. There is NO one right amount for all people in
all climates and all daily activities. A lumberjack, football player or
construction worker cannot do a days work on 32 oz. of food, while for
instance, an arrogant internet spammer probably could. And it DOES
matter WHAT you eat*. The 2IQ-MRON diet is pure 2 digit Evangelical
BULLSHIT, and Andrew B. Chung knows it. The suggestion that REAL
medical professionals at Emory University are supporting this BS is
laughable. The janitorial staff at Emory is smarter than that. Give me
the phone number of ONE real medical professional who supports this
Chung BS. Any medical professional supporting this should lose his
license immediately.

*Genesis 1-29: And God said, 'Behold, I have given you every herb
bearing seed, which is upon the face of the earth, and every tree, in
which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for
meat.'
Ezekiel 4-9: "Take also unto thee Wheat, and Barley, and beans, and
lentils, and millet, and Spelt, and put them in one vessel, and make
bread of it..."

(Anybody want to bet on whether you can get a hamburger at the Creation
"Science" Museum?)

The dietary brilliance of Andrew B. Chung:
"Moreover, the fact that babies are born hungry with empty stomachs
**and** functioning brains is absolute scientific proof that hunger
does not destroy brain cells but rather promotes their rapid growth as
evident by what happens in utero."

GSI: Babies are nourished by the mothers blood through the umbilical
cord and placenta, as anyone who has taken first year biology in High
School knows. Chung shows almost NO real medical knowledge. No
medically trained person would EVER write the bullshit sentence above.

"Actually, hunger for real food is simply a desire to eat real food
that is verified by the ability to eat real food and may be accompanied
by stomach sounds that allow others to verify the desire to eat real
food even **before** the eating happens." -Andrew B. Chung

( We are so lucky here on UseNet to have free access to the hard earned
wisdom of brilliant medical professionals like Dr. Chung - "Hunger for
real food is simply a desire to eat real food that is verified by the
ability to eat real food." Wow!, who would have guessed? )

"Hunger for real food does not indicate a need for real food as evident
by this desire often increasing when the food is especially palatable
in the middle of eating the "right" daily amount (32 oz, one "OMER")
when any real need would be decreasing." -Andrew B. Chung

GSI: "Chung, take your 2 digit moronic "diet" bullshit to the
appropriate newsgroups. "alt.christnet.christianlife,
alt.bible.prophecy" etc. are not the place for arrogant hourly "status"
updates on how many ounces of food an arrogant asshole has consumed.
What you are doing here is PURE ARROGANCE. There is NOTHING "holy" or
"righteous" about it. You and your sock-puppets are ARROGANT. The
"diet" you promote leads to making you even bigger ASSHOLES.
Though it hardly seems possible, you will become even more egocentric,
rigid, and self-righteous."
----------------------------------------------------------------
The sayings of the prophet Itchy:

** Original Christianity : "Jesus Christ, fisher of men."
Evangelical Christianity: "Jesus Christ, roaster of men."
-GSI

Spirituality is about enlightenment, Religion is about killing. -GSI
© GSI €"2IQ-MRON Diet" € 2011-v1.6

[Great Sage Itchy]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Great Sage Itchy]