James wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote
>> James wrote:
>>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> James wrote:
>>>>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> (A&E-101420) Adam & Eve were **not** born sinners simply b/c they were
>>>>>> never born:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/kQfVjI6krj0/x9Fm2PZCAwAJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead, they were created by GOD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam was created from dust:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Then the LORD GOD formed a man from the dust of the ground and
>>>>>> breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a
>>>>>> living being." (Genesis 2:7)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eve was created from one of Adam's ribs:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Then the LORD GOD made a woman from the rib He had taken out of the
>>>>>> man, and He brought her to the man." (Genesis 2:22)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They did not become sinners until they chose (per free choice aka free
>>>>>> will which GOD allows) to commit the sin of gluttony which is eating
>>>>>> more than they needed:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing in the Bible that says they committed the sin of
>>>>> gluttony.
>>>>
>>>> The definition of gluttony is having **eaten** more than needed.
>>>>
>>>> Source:
>>>>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/kQfVjI6krj0/o-EMscKhBAAJ
>>>
>>> If its not in the Bible, we have no way of knowing that.
>>
>> Source:
>>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/VCpuEQudr5Y/dz9_yu3mBAAJ
>>
>> The way (John 14:6) to know true (John 21:24) things, including the
>> definition of gluttony, outside of the Bible is by learning from LORD
>> Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Who is the truth, for it's written in the
>> Bible that ...
>>
>> "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were
>> written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room
>> for the books that would be written." (John 21:25)
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Their sin was stealing fruit from a tree that didn't belong
>>>>> to them: Gen 3:11,
>>>>>
>>>>> "Have you **eaten** from the tree from which I commanded you not to eat?”
>>>>
>>>> **emphasis** added.
>>>>
>>>> This is why it's additionally written at Proverbs 23:2
>>>>
>>>> "and put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony."
>>>>
>>>> Which means that it's better to commit suicide, which isn't sin, than
>>>> to commit gluttony, which is A&E's original sin.
>>>
>>> Look at the context. Vs 1:
>>>
>>> "When you sit down to eat with a king,
>>> Carefully consider what is before you;"
>>>
>>> If you eat more than the king, that could embarrass him. And that
>>> would put your life in jeopardy.
>>
>> The context of the Bible is that GOD is the "KING of kings"
>> (Revelation 19:16). Moreover, GOD is omnipotent so that none are able
>> to eat as much as GOD much less more than GOD.
>
> God and the angels do not require physical substances in order to keep
> on living. They are SPIRIT beings.
It is described in the Bible that the LORD and His angels did eat with
Abraham the food that was prepared by Sarah.
Therefore, the LORD and His angels are able to eat, which simply means
they are wonderfully hungry.
>> Thus, we learn from Proverbs 23:1-2 that indeed ...
>>
>> "The definition of gluttony is having eaten more than needed." -- Holy
>> Spirit (referring to Proverbs 23:1-2)
>>
>> Therefore, what is written at Proverbs 23:2 indicates that we prepare
>> to take our own life with the "knife at our throat" because it's
>> better to have our life destroyed by our own hand than to have our
>> soul destroyed by GOD for our committing the sin of gluttony.
>>
>> "It is better for you to commit suicide than to lose your soul" --
>> Holy Spirit (referring to Matthew 16:26)
>
> That's not a Bible verse.
Instead, that is a thought from the Holy Spirit.
> Mt 16:26 says nothing about suicide:
>
> -- New King James
> Matthew 16:26 "For what is a man profited if he gains the whole
> world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for
> his soul?
Matthew 16:26 does teach that indeed "It is better for you to commit
suicide (i.e. lose the whole world as you lose your life) than to lose
your soul." (Holy Spirit's thought concerning Matthew 16:26)
>>>>>> "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and
>>>>>> pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took
>>>>>> some and **ate** it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her,
>>>>>> and he **ate** it." (Genesis 3:6)
>>>>
>>>> **Emphasis** added.
>>>>
>>>> Thus, it is very clearly written here that Eve "took some" of "the
>>>> fruit of the tree" instead of "stole some," therefore the sin for Eve
>>>> is **not** theft, but gluttony.
>>>
>>> That tree didn't belong to her to eat from.
>>
>> Neither do all the other trees in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:15)
>
> The Bible doesn't say God gave her all those trees. If not, then they
> are all God's. But God gave her permission to eat from all the trees
> except the one.
Actually, what is described in Genesis is that the permission was
given **before** the creation of Eve so that more accurately, the
permission was given to Adam so that Eve's sin was only gluttony while
Adam's was gluttony and disobedience were the latter another sin.
> Since that tree was not given to her, she STOLD the
> fruit from that tree. Then Adam joined her in the theft. So they
> committed multiple sins. Theft and disobedience and wanting to know
> right from wrong. (they already knew that) Rom 5:19,
If theft were their sin, GOD would not have forgiven them for not
having confessed to that along with their confessing to gluttony.
>"For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were made
>sinners, so also through the obedience of the one person many will be
>made righteous"
>
>Notice, the sin mentioned here is the one of DISOBEDIENCE.
Again, the name of the sin committed by Adam in an act of disobedience
is namely gluttony.
Note here that Scripture is very clear that the disobedience was an
act of "one man" and **not** an act of "one man and one woman" simply
because Eve did not receive the command to not commit gluttony because
it predated her creation.
>>
>>> And she knew it.
>>
>> She wasn't present for GOD's command to Adam to know it:
>>
>> "“You are free to **eat** from any tree in the garden; but you must
>> not **eat** from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when
>> you **eat** from it you will certainly die.” (Genesis 2:16-17)
>>
>> **Emphasis** added.
>
> Adam apparently told the command to Eve, since she repeated it to the
> serpent. (Gen 3:2,3
Therefore, the command was for Adam and **not** Eve.
Bottom line:
If the sin were disobedience and not gluttony, Eve would be completely
blameless and would still be immortal and alive to this day.
>> Instead, she learned the command from Adam, who apparently added to
>> GOD's words with his own that Eve also not touch the fruit or she'd
>> die. The latter is what gave an opening for satan to deceive Eve.
>>
>>> If you
>>> take something that didn't belong to you, it's called stealing.
>>
>> Neither Adam nor Eve confessed to the sin of stealing.
>
> That was their problem. They were not repentant at all.
They did confess to their sin of gluttony.
> Adam even
> tried to blame God for his actions:
>
> -- King James
> Genesis 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with
> me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Actually, just as Eve blamed satan, Adam blamed Eve instead of blaming
GOD.
>>
>> Instead, they both confessed to the sin of having eaten more than they
>> needed.
>
> THAT'S INCORRECT. Show me the Scripture which says they committed
> gluttony. You can't, because there is none.
The only sin that can be named that is associated with eating fruit
such as figs is namely gluttony.
>>
>>"The woman You put here with me -- she gave me some fruit from the
>>tree, and I ate it." -- Adam (Genesis 3:12)
>>
>>"The serpent deceived me, and I ate." -- Eve (Genesis 3:13)
>>
>>"The definition of gluttony is having eaten more than needed." -- Holy
>>Spirit (again referring to Proverbs 23:1-2)
>
> No one knows exactly what their body needs for nourishment.
GOD knows and reveals the right amount at Revelation 6:6.
> We all
> probably eat more than what the Body demands, esp if our appetite
> center is not working properly. Notice Gen 2:16,
>
> - New Living Translation
> Genesis 2:16 But the Lord God gave him this warning: "You may freely
> eat any fruit in the garden"
>
> Notice no mention of gluttony.
Genesis 2:16 was given to Adam, when he was immortal.
For mortals, eating more than the daily amount prescribed at
Revelation 6:6 is the sin of gluttony.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Moreover, it is written at Genesis 3:5:
>>>>
>>>> "For GOD knows that when you **eat** from it your eyes will be opened,
>>>> and you will be like GOD, knowing good and evil."
>>>>
>>>> **Emphasis** again added.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore ...
>>>
>>> Their eating from it showed God that they could determine for
>>> themselves what it right and what is wrong. Therefore....
>>
>> Instead, they both confessed to the sin of having eaten more than they
>> needed.
>
> They didn't repent at all.
Actually, they did repent.
To repent simply means to stop committing the sin of gluttony as given
in the Bible by the example of Nineveh.
>>
>> "The woman You put here with me -- she gave me some fruit from the
>> tree, and I ate it." -- Adam (Genesis 3:12)
>>
>> "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." -- Eve (Genesis 3:13)
>>
>> "The definition of gluttony is having eaten more than needed." -- Holy
>> Spirit (again referring to Proverbs 23:1-2)
>
> That might be the definition of gluttony, but it has no mention of it
> here in early Genesis.
Again, the only sin that can be named that is associated with eating
fruit such as figs is namely gluttony.
>>
>> Therefore ...
>>
>>>>>> Again, for 10/19/20, here's how to stop sinning:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." -- Holy
>>>>>> Spirit (referring to John 5:14)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Source:
>>>>>>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/twdqZ5BAmXU/0kkDNAYvBQAJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suffering the "Great Tribulation" would indeed be worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As would becoming eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned as in the tragic
>>>>>> example of MichaelC who is being ever more cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by
>>>>>> GOD:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/81-rVgEIwdU/mzVPeVdKDgAJ
>>>> In the interim, I am indeed wonderfully hungry (
>>>>
http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) and hope you, James, also have a
>>>> healthy appetite too.
>>>>
>>>> So how are you ?
>>>
>>> Need to eat all the time. Sugar level and such.
>>
>> Taking your feeling that "you need to eat all the time" to mean "yes,
>> you have a healthy appetite," I remind you, James, that it's really
>> Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3)
>> that we're both being blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels
>> in red&white at Luke 6:21 **and** according to pure logic
>> {{healthy=wonderful & appetite=hunger}} and advise that you try to
>> write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've re-established here
>> that you are:
>>
>> So now how are you ?
>
> As you said, "wonderfully hungry".
Source:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/yQaaLe2SNhc/m/ZZXTb3SrDAAJ
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, James, not only don't have
COVID-19 but are rapture (Luke 17:37) ready and pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in Heaven continues to
give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so
that we'd have much more of His Help to always say/write that we're
"wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including especially caring to
http://bit.ly/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD (aka Jehovah), in the name (John