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The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics Conflict, But The Resolution Is Clear, Part II: The Amazing Vanishing Johns Hopkins Study
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The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics Conflict, But The
Resolution Is Clear, Part II: The Amazing Vanishing Johns Hopkins Study
NOVEMBER 28, 2020 / JACK MARSHALL
open-up-protest
Update and Introduction
The record shows that way back on May 5, Ethics Alarms published the
post titled “The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics
Conflict, But The Resolution Is Clear, Part I: Stipulations.” That
resolution was that the lockdown was wrong, indeed tragically wrong, and
that a clear-eyed, unbiased examination of the facts made that
conclusion inescapable. This, I note again, was in May. Nobody believed
that we would still be strangling American society, commerce, education,
culture and life as December approached.
I knew the analysis had to be lengthy, so it was planned as a two part
post. One reason for this was that the information, data and scientific
analysis was contradictory and still coming in as I began the post, and
I need time to review and sort it all out before beginning Part II.
Incredibly, after seven months, the information, data and scientific
analysis is still contradictory and still coming in. It is also, as this
most recent episode demonstrates, still being unethically manipulated to
mislead the American public. This is happening even now, after the
election, although much of the manipulation of facts was designed and
executed by the Axis of Unethical Conduct—Democrats, the “resistance”
and the mainstream media– to derail the Trump Presidency, and ensure his
defeat on November 3. (Congratulations, by the way! It worked!)
In Part I, I listed ten stipulations that drove my analysis. I assumed,
being a fallible human being, that some would prove mistaken; I
definitely assumed that some of them would no longer be accurate by now.
I was wrong. Here are the ten:
This is an ethics conflict, not an ethics dilemma.
Many, too many, of those involved in the problem are going to approach
it as an ethics dilemma…
It is a cruel trick of fate…that this crisis is occurring in an election
year…
We still do not have adequate information to make a fully informed decision.
Making important decisions without perfect information is what effective
leaders have to do.
No one can rely on “experts.”
Experts have the biases of their own field and its priorities.
The projections and models have been wrong more often than not, but are
still being hyped as a valid basis for planning.
The news media has politicized the lock-down, and most of it is actively
lobbying for the lock-down to continue.
We have to accept that the ethical system we have to employ here is
Utilitarianism, the most brutal of them all.
As you can see, these haven’t changed.
While waiting for both some more definitive data and the time to do a
competent analysis before completing Part 2, I posted a Prelude to Part
2. the next day, on May 8, the date Nazi Germany surrendered. It was a
thorough fisking of a New York Time op-ed that perfectly represented the
AUC’s arrogant and dead wrong attitude toward the pandemic, and that
also pointed to the sinister un-American and totalitarian-leanings
underlying the Left’s enthusiastic embrace of the lockdown and its
consequences. The last paragraph of the “Prelude” pointed the way to
what would be (and will be) the principle underlying the conclusion of
the argument I started to unpack in May:
Freedom has always had a price. On this 75th Anniversary of V-E Day, it
shouldn’t be hard to understand that lost lives aren’t acceptable just
because the most rational, responsible policies involve unavoidable risk.
As attentive readers noticed, Part 2 never appeared. (Kudos to long-time
commenter Michael Ejercito for repeatedly chiding me on this.) I have
been constantly revising a draft, changing directions many times as new
data arrived, followed by newer hype and distortions. Then came the
Johns Hopkins report, the discussion of which today becomes Part 2,
because it is a “smoking gun.”
And that means that what was Part 2 is now Part 3, still in progress,
but I promise, Michael, coming soon.
Now here’s the post….
***
Retracted
Once again, we have a res ipsa loquitur. This thing, as the old Latin
phrase says, speaks for itself, and what it says is ominous,
indefensible. and indefensible.
What you see above is what was an article in a Johns Hopkins newsletter.
Writer and blogger Robert Zimmerman flagged it first among the various
sources I check, and wrote, correctly [the emphasis is his]…
A new analysis of the 2020 death statistics in the United States has
revealed that despite the panic over COVID-19, the total number of
deaths in all age groups — including the elderly — showed no change
before or after the arrival of the virus.
This bears repeating, in bold and italics: There have been no excess
deaths in 2020.
Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and
after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts
expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups.
However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the
percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.
“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among
older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day
in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger
individuals,” Briand said.
Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and
after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long
before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has
COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but
it has also not increased the total number of deaths.
These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s
assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact,
it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
And yet, there have been so many COVID-19 deaths! How can the total
number of deaths not be higher? The researcher looked more closely, and
discovered (surprise! surprise!) that there was an unreasonable drop in
other causes, matching exactly the increase in coronavirus deaths.
When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period,
COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was
highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading
cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death
numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of
deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that
instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a
significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more
surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is
observed for all other causes.
This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all
previous years. Interestingly, … the total decrease in deaths by other
causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This
suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is
misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases,
respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be
recategorized as being due to COVID-19.
Then he discovered that the article had been taken down minutes after he
posted about it.
Who is Genevieve Briand? She is a Hopkins professor and the an assistant
program director of the Applied Economics masters degree program at
Hopkins, meaning that she knows how to read and compare numbers. She has
no apparent agenda, other than to reveal the truth and allow others to
use facts to better understand the world and to make better decisions.
Why, then, were the results of her analysis suddenly scrubbed from the
web? Were they wrong?
No, they weren’t and aren’t wrong. Here was the primary explanation the
editors gave for the article about her presentation being taken down by
the editors of the Johns Hopkins News-Letter:
After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought
to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation
“COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support
dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic. We
decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of
misinformation….
The rest of the editors’ note is attempted tap-dancing and spin to avoid
and cloud the natural and reasonable conclusions to be taken from the
original article and Briand’s conclusions. To the publication’s credit
(sort of), prompted by criticism by Zimmerman and others, the editors
provided a link to the original article (with RETRACTED printed across
it) writing, that” it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a
historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our
website, but it is available here as a PDF.“
Nevertheless, what is important and damning is that the article was not
retracted because it was factually incorrect, but because the
information it revealed could be used to support arguments that opposed
the editors’ own agenda and position.
Observations:
1 That is not merely the censorship of news and fact to distort public
opinion, undermine legitimate dissent and cripple objective, competent
and responsible analysis and decision-making. That is doing so
shamelessly and obviously.
2. No mainstream media sources have reported either what Prof. Briand
found in her analysis nor the fact that the Johns Hopkins publication
buried her conclusions. None. NONE. This is the “enemy of the people”
doing its worst. The professor’s study is newsworthy and the fact that
Hopkins took action to repress it is newsworthy.
3. The only way to learn about this episode is from alternative sources,
websites and blogs. Thus we have the dangerous depths to which
journalism has fallen, and a horrific example of the damage this does,
tangible damage, to the nation. The mainstream media wants the country
shut down. It does not want facts that can be used to challenge that
agenda available to critics and the public, not does it want the public
realis how they are being manipulated and deceived.
Is there any other conclusion one can take from this sequence of events?
Wrote conservative reporter Matt Margolis, “The article was deleted
because it didn’t fit the proper narrative.”
4. Most of the conservative sources reporting the episode refer to
“Hopkins” retracting the article. That misleading; the News-Letter is a
student publication and doesn’t speak for the university. However, the
fact that students of a prestigious institution have learned that the
way to prevail in a controversy is to censor and withhold relevant
information bodes ill for the future of the United States. It also is
one more piece of evidence of how universities are indoctrinating
students to use information to advance political ends, and when the
facts don’t cooperate, fix them.
5. The students’ mistake was their naive instinct to report Briand’s
findings at all. Hopkins itself was satisfied to leave Briand’s
counter-narrative unreported.
6. The question of how to ethically balance policy decisions with
massive societal consequences when the objective is to avoid deaths from
a particular cause without reducing deaths overall is a fascinating one,
but I am not prepared to tackle it here and now. I will say it would
seems strange to inflict disastrous wounds on society and the economy if
the result is no net gain, or trading one set of maladies for another,
but it’s a complex issue. However, there is no legitimate argument to be
made that the facst should be withheld so the matter cannot even be
considered.
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The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics Conflict, But The
Resolution Is Clear, Part II: The Amazing Vanishing Johns Hopkins Study
NOVEMBER 28, 2020 / JACK MARSHALL
open-up-protest
Update and Introduction
The record shows that way back on May 5, Ethics Alarms published the
post titled “The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics
Conflict, But The Resolution Is Clear, Part I: Stipulations.” That
resolution was that the lockdown was wrong, indeed tragically wrong, and
that a clear-eyed, unbiased examination of the facts made that
conclusion inescapable. This, I note again, was in May. Nobody believed
that we would still be strangling American society, commerce, education,
culture and life as December approached.
I knew the analysis had to be lengthy, so it was planned as a two part
post. One reason for this was that the information, data and scientific
analysis was contradictory and still coming in as I began the post, and
I need time to review and sort it all out before beginning Part II.
Incredibly, after seven months, the information, data and scientific
analysis is still contradictory and still coming in. It is also, as this
most recent episode demonstrates, still being unethically manipulated to
mislead the American public. This is happening even now, after the
election, although much of the manipulation of facts was designed and
executed by the Axis of Unethical Conduct—Democrats, the “resistance”
and the mainstream media– to derail the Trump Presidency, and ensure his
defeat on November 3. (Congratulations, by the way! It worked!)
In Part I, I listed ten stipulations that drove my analysis. I assumed,
being a fallible human being, that some would prove mistaken; I
definitely assumed that some of them would no longer be accurate by now.
I was wrong. Here are the ten:
This is an ethics conflict, not an ethics dilemma.
Many, too many, of those involved in the problem are going to approach
it as an ethics dilemma…
It is a cruel trick of fate…that this crisis is occurring in an election
year…
We still do not have adequate information to make a fully informed decision.
Making important decisions without perfect information is what effective
leaders have to do.
No one can rely on “experts.”
Experts have the biases of their own field and its priorities.
The projections and models have been wrong more often than not, but are
still being hyped as a valid basis for planning.
The news media has politicized the lock-down, and most of it is actively
lobbying for the lock-down to continue.
We have to accept that the ethical system we have to employ here is
Utilitarianism, the most brutal of them all.
As you can see, these haven’t changed.
While waiting for both some more definitive data and the time to do a
competent analysis before completing Part 2, I posted a Prelude to Part
2. the next day, on May 8, the date Nazi Germany surrendered. It was a
thorough fisking of a New York Time op-ed that perfectly represented the
AUC’s arrogant and dead wrong attitude toward the pandemic, and that
also pointed to the sinister un-American and totalitarian-leanings
underlying the Left’s enthusiastic embrace of the lockdown and its
consequences. The last paragraph of the “Prelude” pointed the way to
what would be (and will be) the principle underlying the conclusion of
the argument I started to unpack in May:
Freedom has always had a price. On this 75th Anniversary of V-E Day, it
shouldn’t be hard to understand that lost lives aren’t acceptable just
because the most rational, responsible policies involve unavoidable risk.
As attentive readers noticed, Part 2 never appeared. (Kudos to long-time
commenter Michael Ejercito for repeatedly chiding me on this.) I have
been constantly revising a draft, changing directions many times as new
data arrived, followed by newer hype and distortions. Then came the
Johns Hopkins report, the discussion of which today becomes Part 2,
because it is a “smoking gun.”
And that means that what was Part 2 is now Part 3, still in progress,
but I promise, Michael, coming soon.
Now here’s the post….
***
Retracted
Once again, we have a res ipsa loquitur. This thing, as the old Latin
phrase says, speaks for itself, and what it says is ominous,
indefensible. and indefensible.
What you see above is what was an article in a Johns Hopkins newsletter.
Writer and blogger Robert Zimmerman flagged it first among the various
sources I check, and wrote, correctly [the emphasis is his]…
A new analysis of the 2020 death statistics in the United States has
revealed that despite the panic over COVID-19, the total number of
deaths in all age groups — including the elderly — showed no change
before or after the arrival of the virus.
This bears repeating, in bold and italics: There have been no excess
deaths in 2020.
Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and
after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts
expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups.
However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the
percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.
“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among
older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day
in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger
individuals,” Briand said.
Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and
after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long
before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has
COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but
it has also not increased the total number of deaths.
These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s
assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact,
it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
And yet, there have been so many COVID-19 deaths! How can the total
number of deaths not be higher? The researcher looked more closely, and
discovered (surprise! surprise!) that there was an unreasonable drop in
other causes, matching exactly the increase in coronavirus deaths.
When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period,
COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was
highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading
cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death
numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of
deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that
instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a
significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more
surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is
observed for all other causes.
This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all
previous years. Interestingly, … the total decrease in deaths by other
causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This
suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is
misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases,
respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be
recategorized as being due to COVID-19.
Then he discovered that the article had been taken down minutes after he
posted about it.
Who is Genevieve Briand? She is a Hopkins professor and the an assistant
program director of the Applied Economics masters degree program at
Hopkins, meaning that she knows how to read and compare numbers. She has
no apparent agenda, other than to reveal the truth and allow others to
use facts to better understand the world and to make better decisions.
Why, then, were the results of her analysis suddenly scrubbed from the
web? Were they wrong?
No, they weren’t and aren’t wrong. Here was the primary explanation the
editors gave for the article about her presentation being taken down by
the editors of the Johns Hopkins News-Letter:
After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought
to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation
“COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support
dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic. We
decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of
misinformation….
The rest of the editors’ note is attempted tap-dancing and spin to avoid
and cloud the natural and reasonable conclusions to be taken from the
original article and Briand’s conclusions. To the publication’s credit
(sort of), prompted by criticism by Zimmerman and others, the editors
provided a link to the original article (with RETRACTED printed across
it) writing, that” it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a
historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our
website, but it is available here as a PDF.“
Nevertheless, what is important and damning is that the article was not
retracted because it was factually incorrect, but because the
information it revealed could be used to support arguments that opposed
the editors’ own agenda and position.
Observations:
1 That is not merely the censorship of news and fact to distort public
opinion, undermine legitimate dissent and cripple objective, competent
and responsible analysis and decision-making. That is doing so
shamelessly and obviously.
2. No mainstream media sources have reported either what Prof. Briand
found in her analysis nor the fact that the Johns Hopkins publication
buried her conclusions. None. NONE. This is the “enemy of the people”
doing its worst. The professor’s study is newsworthy and the fact that
Hopkins took action to repress it is newsworthy.
3. The only way to learn about this episode is from alternative sources,
websites and blogs. Thus we have the dangerous depths to which
journalism has fallen, and a horrific example of the damage this does,
tangible damage, to the nation. The mainstream media wants the country
shut down. It does not want facts that can be used to challenge that
agenda available to critics and the public, not does it want the public
realis how they are being manipulated and deceived.
Is there any other conclusion one can take from this sequence of events?
Wrote conservative reporter Matt Margolis, “The article was deleted
because it didn’t fit the proper narrative.”
4. Most of the conservative sources reporting the episode refer to
“Hopkins” retracting the article. That misleading; the News-Letter is a
student publication and doesn’t speak for the university. However, the
fact that students of a prestigious institution have learned that the
way to prevail in a controversy is to censor and withhold relevant
information bodes ill for the future of the United States. It also is
one more piece of evidence of how universities are indoctrinating
students to use information to advance political ends, and when the
facts don’t cooperate, fix them.
5. The students’ mistake was their naive instinct to report Briand’s
findings at all. Hopkins itself was satisfied to leave Briand’s
counter-narrative unreported.
6. The question of how to ethically balance policy decisions with
massive societal consequences when the objective is to avoid deaths from
a particular cause without reducing deaths overall is a fascinating one,
but I am not prepared to tackle it here and now. I will say it would
seems strange to inflict disastrous wounds on society and the economy if
the result is no net gain, or trading one set of maladies for another,
but it’s a complex issue. However, there is no legitimate argument to be
made that the facst should be withheld so the matter cannot even be
considered.
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Nov 28, 2020, 4:06:13 PM11/28/20
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MichaelE wrote:
> http://ethicsalarms.com/2020/11/28/the-pandemic-creates-a-classic-and-difficult-ethics-conflict-but-the-resolution-is-clear-part-ii-the-amazing-vanishing-johns-hopkins-study/
>
>
> The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics Conflict, But The
> Resolution Is Clear, Part II: The Amazing Vanishing Johns Hopkins Study
> NOVEMBER 28, 2020 / JACK MARSHALL
> open-up-protest
>
> Update and Introduction
>
> The record shows that way back on May 5, Ethics Alarms published the
> post titled “The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics
> Conflict, But The Resolution Is Clear, Part I: Stipulations.” That
> resolution was that the lockdown was wrong, indeed tragically wrong, and
> that a clear-eyed, unbiased examination of the facts made that
> conclusion inescapable.
The only healthy way to stop the pandemic is to rapidly (
> http://ethicsalarms.com/2020/11/28/the-pandemic-creates-a-classic-and-difficult-ethics-conflict-but-the-resolution-is-clear-part-ii-the-amazing-vanishing-johns-hopkins-study/
>
>
> The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics Conflict, But The
> Resolution Is Clear, Part II: The Amazing Vanishing Johns Hopkins Study
> NOVEMBER 28, 2020 / JACK MARSHALL
> open-up-protest
>
> Update and Introduction
>
> The record shows that way back on May 5, Ethics Alarms published the
> post titled “The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics
> Conflict, But The Resolution Is Clear, Part I: Stipulations.” That
> resolution was that the lockdown was wrong, indeed tragically wrong, and
> that a clear-eyed, unbiased examination of the facts made that
> conclusion inescapable.
http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) find out at any given moment,
including while On-Line, who among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e.
pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to
http://bit.ly/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12) for them to call their
doctor and self-quarantine per their doctor.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
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Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Michael Ejercito
Nov 29, 2020, 11:46:49 PM11/29/20
to
On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 1:06:13 PM UTC-8, Andrew B. Chung,
I am wonderfully hungry!
Michael
Michael
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 30, 2020, 12:01:59 AM11/30/20
to
MichaelE wrote:
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, not only don't have
COVID-19 but are rapture (Luke 17:37) ready and pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in Heaven continues to
give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so
that we'd have much more of His Help to always say/write that we're
"wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including especially caring to
http://bit.ly/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us
right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the http://bit.ly/HeartVAT
from around the heart
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > MichaelE wrote:
> >
> > > http://ethicsalarms.com/2020/11/28/the-pandemic-creates-a-classic-and-difficult-ethics-conflict-but-the-resolution-is-clear-part-ii-the-amazing-vanishing-johns-hopkins-study/
> > >
> > >
> > > The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics Conflict, But The
> > > Resolution Is Clear, Part II: The Amazing Vanishing Johns Hopkins Study
> > > NOVEMBER 28, 2020 / JACK MARSHALL
> > > open-up-protest
> > >
> > > Update and Introduction
> > >
> > > The record shows that way back on May 5, Ethics Alarms published the
> > > post titled “The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics
> > > Conflict, But The Resolution Is Clear, Part I: Stipulations.” That
> > > resolution was that the lockdown was wrong, indeed tragically wrong, and
> > > that a clear-eyed, unbiased examination of the facts made that
> > > conclusion inescapable.
>
> > The only healthy way to stop the pandemic is to rapidly (
> > http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) find out at any given moment,
> > including while On-Line, who among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e.
> > pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to
> > http://bit.ly/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12) for them to call their
> > doctor and self-quarantine per their doctor.
> >
> > Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
> > and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
> >
> > So how are you ?
>
> I am wonderfully hungry!
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
> > MichaelE wrote:
> >
> > > http://ethicsalarms.com/2020/11/28/the-pandemic-creates-a-classic-and-difficult-ethics-conflict-but-the-resolution-is-clear-part-ii-the-amazing-vanishing-johns-hopkins-study/
> > >
> > >
> > > The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics Conflict, But The
> > > Resolution Is Clear, Part II: The Amazing Vanishing Johns Hopkins Study
> > > NOVEMBER 28, 2020 / JACK MARSHALL
> > > open-up-protest
> > >
> > > Update and Introduction
> > >
> > > The record shows that way back on May 5, Ethics Alarms published the
> > > post titled “The Pandemic Creates A Classic And Difficult Ethics
> > > Conflict, But The Resolution Is Clear, Part I: Stipulations.” That
> > > resolution was that the lockdown was wrong, indeed tragically wrong, and
> > > that a clear-eyed, unbiased examination of the facts made that
> > > conclusion inescapable.
>
> > The only healthy way to stop the pandemic is to rapidly (
> > http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) find out at any given moment,
> > including while On-Line, who among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e.
> > pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to
> > http://bit.ly/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12) for them to call their
> > doctor and self-quarantine per their doctor.
> >
> > Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
> > and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
> >
> > So how are you ?
>
> I am wonderfully hungry!
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, not only don't have
COVID-19 but are rapture (Luke 17:37) ready and pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in Heaven continues to
give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so
that we'd have much more of His Help to always say/write that we're
"wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including especially caring to
http://bit.ly/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us
right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the http://bit.ly/HeartVAT
from around the heart
Michael Ejercito
Nov 30, 2020, 10:20:49 AM11/30/20
to
On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 9:01:59 PM UTC-8, Andrew B. Chung,
Thank you for noting that I do NOT have COVID-19.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 30, 2020, 11:06:01 AM11/30/20
to
> Thank you for noting that I do NOT have COVID-19.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His keeping us from
being infected with the COVID-19 coronavirus.
servant
Nov 30, 2020, 3:27:13 PM11/30/20
to
Andrew offers his "cure" for the pandemic, the usual 2 lb diet nonsense.
I suggest a test for this "ccure", he can march himself right over to the
cdc and offer himself to be infectted with the live virus.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 30, 2020, 3:38:05 PM11/30/20
to
An eternally condemned & ever more cursed nymshifter (aka servant of
satan) wrote:
>
> Andy andy, you made the challenge to non-believers
No.
I am not the Author of "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by
the Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3)
> , it just done don''t
> work; now done it?
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/Ym8TcuRVTkY/xR4zDAEOBwAJ
Your calling the Holy Spirit an "it" is your continuing to blaspheme
against Him.
> So fess up and stop making this face loosing (sic) claim for we believers:
You, who are eternally condemned by GOD, cannot trust (John 3:16) Him.
Those who don't trust GOD, don't really believe in their heart (Romans
10:9) that GOD raised Jesus Christ up from the dead.
Bottom line: You, who are eternally condemned, cannot be believers.
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/Ym8TcuRVTkY/sftIKtncAwAJ
See also:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/Fh-E9VvbJ64/9zvd_bkCBwAJ
**and**
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/ssG8UNHiHB4/zKvDQUAsAQAJ
> 5 second youtube test of this claim.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft3nBlpcv-I
Actually, instead of a test of the proof, the video (especially now
with what is in its comment section) and your vainly** citing it
further adds to the proof :-)
** "those who cite the above YouTube video as a refutation of this
scientific proof unwittingly demonstrate that they are eternally
condemned (Mark 3:29) and ever more cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD as
evident by their cognitive deficits"
** Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/MfJonmgXq5U/pLim1KV1AgAJ
Laus DEO !
> It takes only one example to refute the claim.
Those who comprehend the proof are also able to acknowledge that it is
irrefutable simply because the Holy Spirit not only supports this
proof but allows a sound mind to comprehend it.
You will never comprehend this because you really are eternally
condemned.
The reason for responding here is for the benefit of believers (John
3:16) who are reading this.
+++
Within the thread titled "><> Being wonderfully hungry on 01/16/18
..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/aYg5AnsrNn0
... an eternally condemned & ever more cursed nymshifter (aka woeful
wonder) asked:
> Does this mean the 13 starving children rescued must be nearly prfect (sic) and
> healthy?
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/aYg5AnsrNn0/vnVXV9wHAgAJ
No.
Children (and adults) who say they're "starving" (Genesis 25:32)
instead of saying they're "wonderfully hungry" (
http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) are neither perfect (Matthew 5:48) nor
healthy (John 5:14).
Moreover, whoever calls themselves "Wonderful" (Isaiah 9:6), as you've
done here, also suffers from the delusion that they're GOD on top of
the pre-existing "hunger is starvation" (2 Kings 6:29) delusion (2
Thessalonians 2:11) of the eternally condemned (Mark 3:29).
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that
GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally
condemned, more than ever by expanding His curse to also include your
**extended** household more than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of
Within the thread titled > Being wonderfully hungry on 02/05/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mWz5zjw6Cu8/350TfF7qDgAJ
... eternally condemned nymshifter (aka servant of satan) wrote:
> This is the 1st in a series outlining the origin and twists and turns of
> distorted logic of the 2 lb. (sic) diet.
Actually, the 2PD-OMER Approach is http://HeartMDPhD.com/NotDiet
> In the late 90's Mr. Chung gained 20 pounds. This was likely due to the
> medication he was being perscribed (sic) known to promote weight gain.
LIE.
I have no medical history of taking any prescribed medications.
Source:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
> He saw a movie where mountain climbers were said to consume 2 lb.s (sic)
> of food. This was the start of his mistake.
LIE.
The Everest climbers were receiving 10 lbs of food per week which is
actually 1.43 lbs per day.
Source:
2007 "Be Hungry" book (ISBN: 978-0-595-45641-3), page 18.
> He reasoned if they ate 2 lb.s (sic) and had high physical activity
> he could lose the 20 lb. (sic) weight gain by doing the same.
LIE.
My physical activity was already high climbing the stairs of the
1000-bed Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta as a medical resident
physician instead of taking the elevators **and** I was not interested
in losing weight but rather was interested in knowing if this would be
safe for my obese patients. The reasoning here is that if it doesn't
kill me to decrease my intake from 3-4 lbs per day to 2 lbs per day,
it won't kill my obese patients who were eating 8-12 lbs per day to do
likewise.
Source:
2007 "Be Hungry" book (ISBN: 978-0-595-45641-3), page 18.
3 LIEs in a row.
You have just struck out and again have unwittingly demonstrated that
there is no truth in you, who are eternally condemned for blaspheming
(Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14)
that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally
condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by extending it
to your extended family, so that all others reading this will benefit
by learning from your example to not blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the
Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
+++
Within the thread titled <> Being wonderfully hungry on 02/06/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/hX8JdCxf8HA/tA_s4eq0GgAJ
... an eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) nymshifter (aka servant of
satan), ever more cursed (Jer 17:5) by GOD, vainly wrote:
> In the first part we presented the origin and name for the diet.
> The original name was 2 lb. (sic) diet.
LIE.
The original name as codified in 2007 in the published book, "Be
Hungry" (ISBN: 978-0-595-45641-3), which remains in print and
available from AmazonDotCom, is the 2PD-OMER Approach.
Source:
2007 "Be Hungry" book (ISBN: 978-0-595-45641-3), page 18.
> Mr. Chung ...
LIE x2.
The true title for http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew is "Doctor" simply
because he has **both** an M.D. and a Ph.D. degree.
Source:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
"This will be forever true." -- Holy Spirit (see John 3:16)
Laus DEO !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
> ... had misunderstood basic nutritional science in choosing 2 lbs. (sic)
> as the normal calorie intake, he did not consider it was 2 lb.s (sic) of
> dehydrated foods.
LIE.
"The Everest climbers were receiving 10 lbs of food per week which is
actually 1.43 lbs per day."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mWz5zjw6Cu8/350TfF7qDgAJ
This fact allows possible rehydration with 0.57 lbs of water as
needed.
3+ LIEs in a row.
You have, again, struck out and have, yet again, unwittingly
demonstrated that there is no truth in you, who are eternally
condemned for blaspheming (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is
the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I again pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are
eternally condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by
extending this curse to your extended family **and** all who know you,
causing them each to die in terrible agony, one by one, so that all
others reading this will benefit by learning from your example to not
blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus
Within the thread titled <> Being wonderfully hungry on 02/06/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/hX8JdCxf8HA/rEIHube5GgAJ
... eternally condemned nymshifter (aka servant of satan), ever more
cursed by GOD, vainly wrote in the author line:
(My name is) curious
LIE x 2
Your name is not curious...
... nor are you curious.
>>> In the first part we presented the origin and name for the diet.
LIE x 2
There is only one of you, multiple nyms notwithstanding, which means
that the use of "we" here is a lie of a pathological liar.
Moreover, what is associated with being wonderfully hungry (
http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) is the 2PD-OMER Approach which is, in
fact, http://HeartMDPhD.com/NotDiet
"All who lie about the 2PD-OMER Approach blaspheme against Me. For I
am He Who inspired HeartDoc Andrew to author it." -- Holy Spirit (see
Mark 3:29 and Exodus 16:16 and Revelation 6:6)
Laus Deo !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
You have, again, struck out and have, yet again, unwittingly
demonstrated that there is no truth in you, who are eternally
condemned for blaspheming (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is
the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I again pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are
eternally condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by
extending this curse to your extended family **and** all who know you,
causing them each to die in terrible agony, one by one, so that all
others reading this will benefit by learning from your example to not
blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus
Within the thread titled ><> Being wonderfully hungry on 02/07/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/Junjan3PPFc/UQAMVyT3GgAJ
... eternally condemned nymshifter (aka servant of satan), ever more
cursed by GOD, again vainly wrote in the author line:
(My name is) curious
LIE x 2
Your name is not curious...
... nor are you curious.
> As mentioned in part 2, Mr. Chung ...
LIE x 2
The true title for http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew is "Doctor" simply
because he has **both** an M.D. and a Ph.D. degree.
Source:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
"This will be forever true." -- Holy Spirit (see John 3:16)
Laus DEO !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
> mistakenly thught (sic) the biblical omer was a
> measure of weight,ie. 2 pounds.
LIE
The Exodus 16:16 omer is, in fact, a weight measure.
"Take a jar, and put an omer of manna in it, and place it before the
LORD to be kept throughout your generations." (Exodus 16:33)
If the Exodus 16:16 omer were a volume measure, Exodus 16:33 would
have been written as "Fill an omer jar with manna and place it before
the LORD to be kept throughout your generations."
"A Biblical omer of manna weighs 2 pounds." -- Holy Spirit (see Exodus
16:16 and Exodus 16:33 and Revelation 6:6)
"An extra-Biblical omer volume measure of manna can weigh 2 pounds if
there's no settling." -- Holy Spirit (see Exodus 16:16 and Revelation
6:6 and Exodus 16:31)
Just as an ounce can be either a weight or a volume measure, so too
the omer (Biblical versus extra-Biblical). That both unit measures
start with the letter "o" did not happen by chance (Proverbs 16:33)
just as the matching of Exodus 16:33 with Proverbs 16:33 chapter &
verse numbers did not happen by chance nor that the Exodus 16 verses
bookend the 32nd verse reminding us that at Exodus 16:32, Moses really
cared more about the right amount (Revelation 6:6) of daily manna
being his legacy to the nation of Israel instead of it's composition
so much so that he lied about the LORD telling him to command his
brother, Aaron, to place a jar of an omer of manna in the Ark (a jar
that subsequently went missing from later inventories of Ark contents
because the manna became riddled with maggots proving that Moses lied
thereby explaining why his siblings later rebelled against him).
Just as cereals settle making volume measures inaccurate so that
weight measures are used on their boxes with the warning that the
boxes do not appear full because settling has occurred, so too manna,
which is likened to wafers (Exodus 16:31) settle so that the Exodus
16:16 omer measure is, in fact, a weight measure in accord with what
is written at Exodus 16:33.
Bottom line:
3+ LIEs in a row.
You have, again, struck out and have, yet again, unwittingly
demonstrated that there is no truth in you, who are eternally
condemned for blaspheming (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is
the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I again pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are
eternally condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by
extending this curse to your extended family **and** all who know you,
causing them each to die in terrible agony, one by one, so that all
others reading this will benefit by learning from your example to not
blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus
+++
Within the thread titled ><> Being wonderfully hungry on 02/09/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/LTOqk8IheKA/0kAF2EmxBAAJ
... an eternally condemned nymshifter (aka servant of satan), ever
more cursed by GOD, vainly wrote in the author line:
(My name is) curious
LIE x 2
Your name is not curious...
... nor are you curious.
> In the previous 3 parts we saw how a 20 lb. (sic) overweight Mr. Chung was
> confused about nutritional info he encountered.
LIE x 3
The true title for http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew is "Doctor" simply
because he has **both** an M.D. and a Ph.D. degree.
Source:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
"This will be forever true." -- Holy Spirit (see John 3:16)
Laus DEO !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
"The Everest climbers were receiving 10 lbs of food per week which is
actually 1.43 lbs per day."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mWz5zjw6Cu8/350TfF7qDgAJ
This fact allows possible rehydration with 0.57 lbs of water as
needed.
> His lack of knowledge led him to think 2 lb.s (sic) of food per day was an ideal
> diet for a physically active person.
LIE.
2 lbs is by definition a quantity (i.e. a weight measure), which is
logically http://HeartMDPhD.com/NotDiet else 0 lbs would also be a
diet instead of what it really is, which is fasting.
> He was also mistaken to think the biblical omer was a measure of weight, 2
> lb.s. (sic) Itt (sic) was not, instead like a quart it measured volume, in this it was
> used for grain of around some 7 pounds.
LIE x 2
Manna is **not** grain according to its description as given at Exodus
16:31 where it is likened to wafers made with honey (i.e. processed
food that is more like dessert instead of raw grain)
Moreover, the Exodus 16:16 omer is, in fact, a weight measure.
"Take a jar, and put an omer of manna in it, and place it before the
LORD to be kept throughout your generations." (Exodus 16:33)
If the Exodus 16:16 omer were a volume measure, Exodus 16:33 would
have been written as "Fill an omer jar with manna and place it before
the LORD to be kept throughout your generations."
"A Biblical omer of manna weighs 2 pounds." -- Holy Spirit (see Exodus
16:16 and Exodus 16:33 and Revelation 6:6)
"An extra-Biblical omer volume measure of manna can weigh 2 pounds if
there's no settling." -- Holy Spirit (see Exodus 16:16 and Revelation
6:6 and Exodus 16:31)
Just as an ounce can be either a weight or a volume measure, so too
the omer (Biblical versus extra-Biblical). That both unit measures
start with the letter "o" did not happen by chance (Proverbs 16:33)
just as the matching of Exodus 16:33 with Proverbs 16:33 chapter &
verse numbers did not happen by chance nor that the Exodus 16 verses
bookend the 32nd verse reminding us that at Exodus 16:32, Moses really
cared more about the right amount (Revelation 6:6) of daily manna
being his legacy to the nation of Israel instead of it's composition
so much so that he lied about the LORD telling him to command his
brother, Aaron, to place a jar of an omer of manna in the Ark (a jar
that subsequently went missing from later inventories of Ark contents
because the manna became riddled with maggots proving that Moses lied
thereby explaining why his siblings later rebelled against him).
Just as cereals settle making volume measures inaccurate so that
weight measures are used on their boxes with the warning that the
boxes do not appear full because settling has occurred, so too manna,
which is again likened to wafers (Exodus 16:31) settle so that the
Exodus 16:16 omer measure is, in fact, a weight measure in accord with
what is written at Exodus 16:33.
Bottom line:
3+ LIEs in a row by what is clearly a pathological liar.
You have, again, struck out and have, yet again, unwittingly
demonstrated that there is no truth in you, who are eternally
condemned for blaspheming (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is
the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I again pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are
eternally condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by
extending this curse to your extended family **and** all who know you,
causing them each to die in terrible agony, one by one, so that all
others reading this will benefit by learning from your example to not
blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus
+++
Within the thread titled **Exposing the "hunger is starvation"
(Genesis 25:32) delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:11) of the eternally
condemned on 01/01/18 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/dDW90vO_2LE
... an eternally condemned & ever more cursed nymshifter (aka woeful
wonder) asked on 01/15/18:
> Dr. chung, would you define "Schizoaffective Disorder" for us and provide
> some example symptoms?
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/dDW90vO_2LE/GdUA8Ed9AAAJ
"Schizoaffective disorder is a mental disorder in which a person
experiences a combination of schizophrenia symptoms, such as
hallucinations or delusions, and mood disorder symptoms, such as
depression or mania."
Source:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizoaffective-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20354504
The key "example symptom" relevant here in your case would be your
"having false, fixed beliefs, despite evidence to the contrary"
specifically being the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis 25:32)
false&fixed belief (delusion prophesied at 2 Thessalonians 2:11) being
vanquished for other readers at:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/dDW90vO_2LE/XXLJsNBdAAAJ
The reason for the disorder is GOD cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you to have
the mental-illness-causing http://bit.ly/HeartVAT which is a
consequence of overeating (eating more than 32 oz/day of food
according to what's written at Revelation 6:6) which is the deadly
(Proverb 23:2) Adam&Eve sin (Hebrews 12:1) of gluttony.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that
GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally
condemned, more than ever by expanding His curse to also include your
**extended** household more than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deu 8:3) when He blesses us right now
satan) wrote:
>
> Andy andy, you made the challenge to non-believers
No.
I am not the Author of "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by
the Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3)
> , it just done don''t
> work; now done it?
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/Ym8TcuRVTkY/xR4zDAEOBwAJ
Your calling the Holy Spirit an "it" is your continuing to blaspheme
against Him.
> So fess up and stop making this face loosing (sic) claim for we believers:
You, who are eternally condemned by GOD, cannot trust (John 3:16) Him.
Those who don't trust GOD, don't really believe in their heart (Romans
10:9) that GOD raised Jesus Christ up from the dead.
Bottom line: You, who are eternally condemned, cannot be believers.
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/Ym8TcuRVTkY/sftIKtncAwAJ
See also:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/Fh-E9VvbJ64/9zvd_bkCBwAJ
**and**
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/ssG8UNHiHB4/zKvDQUAsAQAJ
> 5 second youtube test of this claim.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft3nBlpcv-I
Actually, instead of a test of the proof, the video (especially now
with what is in its comment section) and your vainly** citing it
further adds to the proof :-)
** "those who cite the above YouTube video as a refutation of this
scientific proof unwittingly demonstrate that they are eternally
condemned (Mark 3:29) and ever more cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD as
evident by their cognitive deficits"
** Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/MfJonmgXq5U/pLim1KV1AgAJ
Laus DEO !
> It takes only one example to refute the claim.
Those who comprehend the proof are also able to acknowledge that it is
irrefutable simply because the Holy Spirit not only supports this
proof but allows a sound mind to comprehend it.
You will never comprehend this because you really are eternally
condemned.
The reason for responding here is for the benefit of believers (John
3:16) who are reading this.
+++
Within the thread titled "><> Being wonderfully hungry on 01/16/18
..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/aYg5AnsrNn0
... an eternally condemned & ever more cursed nymshifter (aka woeful
wonder) asked:
> Does this mean the 13 starving children rescued must be nearly prfect (sic) and
> healthy?
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/aYg5AnsrNn0/vnVXV9wHAgAJ
No.
Children (and adults) who say they're "starving" (Genesis 25:32)
instead of saying they're "wonderfully hungry" (
http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) are neither perfect (Matthew 5:48) nor
healthy (John 5:14).
Moreover, whoever calls themselves "Wonderful" (Isaiah 9:6), as you've
done here, also suffers from the delusion that they're GOD on top of
the pre-existing "hunger is starvation" (2 Kings 6:29) delusion (2
Thessalonians 2:11) of the eternally condemned (Mark 3:29).
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that
GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally
condemned, more than ever by expanding His curse to also include your
**extended** household more than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of
Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
+++
Laus DEO !
Within the thread titled > Being wonderfully hungry on 02/05/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mWz5zjw6Cu8/350TfF7qDgAJ
... eternally condemned nymshifter (aka servant of satan) wrote:
> This is the 1st in a series outlining the origin and twists and turns of
> distorted logic of the 2 lb. (sic) diet.
Actually, the 2PD-OMER Approach is http://HeartMDPhD.com/NotDiet
> In the late 90's Mr. Chung gained 20 pounds. This was likely due to the
> medication he was being perscribed (sic) known to promote weight gain.
LIE.
I have no medical history of taking any prescribed medications.
Source:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
> He saw a movie where mountain climbers were said to consume 2 lb.s (sic)
> of food. This was the start of his mistake.
LIE.
The Everest climbers were receiving 10 lbs of food per week which is
actually 1.43 lbs per day.
Source:
2007 "Be Hungry" book (ISBN: 978-0-595-45641-3), page 18.
> He reasoned if they ate 2 lb.s (sic) and had high physical activity
> he could lose the 20 lb. (sic) weight gain by doing the same.
LIE.
My physical activity was already high climbing the stairs of the
1000-bed Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta as a medical resident
physician instead of taking the elevators **and** I was not interested
in losing weight but rather was interested in knowing if this would be
safe for my obese patients. The reasoning here is that if it doesn't
kill me to decrease my intake from 3-4 lbs per day to 2 lbs per day,
it won't kill my obese patients who were eating 8-12 lbs per day to do
likewise.
Source:
2007 "Be Hungry" book (ISBN: 978-0-595-45641-3), page 18.
3 LIEs in a row.
You have just struck out and again have unwittingly demonstrated that
there is no truth in you, who are eternally condemned for blaspheming
(Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14)
that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally
condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by extending it
to your extended family, so that all others reading this will benefit
by learning from your example to not blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the
Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
+++
Within the thread titled <> Being wonderfully hungry on 02/06/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/hX8JdCxf8HA/tA_s4eq0GgAJ
... an eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) nymshifter (aka servant of
satan), ever more cursed (Jer 17:5) by GOD, vainly wrote:
> In the first part we presented the origin and name for the diet.
> The original name was 2 lb. (sic) diet.
LIE.
The original name as codified in 2007 in the published book, "Be
Hungry" (ISBN: 978-0-595-45641-3), which remains in print and
available from AmazonDotCom, is the 2PD-OMER Approach.
Source:
2007 "Be Hungry" book (ISBN: 978-0-595-45641-3), page 18.
> Mr. Chung ...
LIE x2.
The true title for http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew is "Doctor" simply
because he has **both** an M.D. and a Ph.D. degree.
Source:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
"This will be forever true." -- Holy Spirit (see John 3:16)
Laus DEO !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
> ... had misunderstood basic nutritional science in choosing 2 lbs. (sic)
> as the normal calorie intake, he did not consider it was 2 lb.s (sic) of
> dehydrated foods.
LIE.
"The Everest climbers were receiving 10 lbs of food per week which is
actually 1.43 lbs per day."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mWz5zjw6Cu8/350TfF7qDgAJ
This fact allows possible rehydration with 0.57 lbs of water as
needed.
3+ LIEs in a row.
You have, again, struck out and have, yet again, unwittingly
demonstrated that there is no truth in you, who are eternally
condemned for blaspheming (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is
the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I again pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are
eternally condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by
extending this curse to your extended family **and** all who know you,
causing them each to die in terrible agony, one by one, so that all
others reading this will benefit by learning from your example to not
blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
+++
Laus DEO !
Within the thread titled <> Being wonderfully hungry on 02/06/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/hX8JdCxf8HA/rEIHube5GgAJ
... eternally condemned nymshifter (aka servant of satan), ever more
cursed by GOD, vainly wrote in the author line:
(My name is) curious
LIE x 2
Your name is not curious...
... nor are you curious.
>>> In the first part we presented the origin and name for the diet.
LIE x 2
There is only one of you, multiple nyms notwithstanding, which means
that the use of "we" here is a lie of a pathological liar.
Moreover, what is associated with being wonderfully hungry (
http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) is the 2PD-OMER Approach which is, in
fact, http://HeartMDPhD.com/NotDiet
"All who lie about the 2PD-OMER Approach blaspheme against Me. For I
am He Who inspired HeartDoc Andrew to author it." -- Holy Spirit (see
Mark 3:29 and Exodus 16:16 and Revelation 6:6)
Laus Deo !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
You have, again, struck out and have, yet again, unwittingly
demonstrated that there is no truth in you, who are eternally
condemned for blaspheming (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is
the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I again pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are
eternally condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by
extending this curse to your extended family **and** all who know you,
causing them each to die in terrible agony, one by one, so that all
others reading this will benefit by learning from your example to not
blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
+++
Laus DEO !
Within the thread titled ><> Being wonderfully hungry on 02/07/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/Junjan3PPFc/UQAMVyT3GgAJ
... eternally condemned nymshifter (aka servant of satan), ever more
cursed by GOD, again vainly wrote in the author line:
(My name is) curious
LIE x 2
Your name is not curious...
... nor are you curious.
> As mentioned in part 2, Mr. Chung ...
LIE x 2
The true title for http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew is "Doctor" simply
because he has **both** an M.D. and a Ph.D. degree.
Source:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
"This will be forever true." -- Holy Spirit (see John 3:16)
Laus DEO !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
> mistakenly thught (sic) the biblical omer was a
> measure of weight,ie. 2 pounds.
LIE
The Exodus 16:16 omer is, in fact, a weight measure.
"Take a jar, and put an omer of manna in it, and place it before the
LORD to be kept throughout your generations." (Exodus 16:33)
If the Exodus 16:16 omer were a volume measure, Exodus 16:33 would
have been written as "Fill an omer jar with manna and place it before
the LORD to be kept throughout your generations."
"A Biblical omer of manna weighs 2 pounds." -- Holy Spirit (see Exodus
16:16 and Exodus 16:33 and Revelation 6:6)
"An extra-Biblical omer volume measure of manna can weigh 2 pounds if
there's no settling." -- Holy Spirit (see Exodus 16:16 and Revelation
6:6 and Exodus 16:31)
Just as an ounce can be either a weight or a volume measure, so too
the omer (Biblical versus extra-Biblical). That both unit measures
start with the letter "o" did not happen by chance (Proverbs 16:33)
just as the matching of Exodus 16:33 with Proverbs 16:33 chapter &
verse numbers did not happen by chance nor that the Exodus 16 verses
bookend the 32nd verse reminding us that at Exodus 16:32, Moses really
cared more about the right amount (Revelation 6:6) of daily manna
being his legacy to the nation of Israel instead of it's composition
so much so that he lied about the LORD telling him to command his
brother, Aaron, to place a jar of an omer of manna in the Ark (a jar
that subsequently went missing from later inventories of Ark contents
because the manna became riddled with maggots proving that Moses lied
thereby explaining why his siblings later rebelled against him).
Just as cereals settle making volume measures inaccurate so that
weight measures are used on their boxes with the warning that the
boxes do not appear full because settling has occurred, so too manna,
which is likened to wafers (Exodus 16:31) settle so that the Exodus
16:16 omer measure is, in fact, a weight measure in accord with what
is written at Exodus 16:33.
Bottom line:
3+ LIEs in a row.
You have, again, struck out and have, yet again, unwittingly
demonstrated that there is no truth in you, who are eternally
condemned for blaspheming (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is
the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I again pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are
eternally condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by
extending this curse to your extended family **and** all who know you,
causing them each to die in terrible agony, one by one, so that all
others reading this will benefit by learning from your example to not
blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
Laus DEO !
+++
Within the thread titled ><> Being wonderfully hungry on 02/09/19 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/LTOqk8IheKA/0kAF2EmxBAAJ
... an eternally condemned nymshifter (aka servant of satan), ever
more cursed by GOD, vainly wrote in the author line:
(My name is) curious
LIE x 2
Your name is not curious...
... nor are you curious.
> In the previous 3 parts we saw how a 20 lb. (sic) overweight Mr. Chung was
> confused about nutritional info he encountered.
LIE x 3
The true title for http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew is "Doctor" simply
because he has **both** an M.D. and a Ph.D. degree.
Source:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
"This will be forever true." -- Holy Spirit (see John 3:16)
Laus DEO !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
"The Everest climbers were receiving 10 lbs of food per week which is
actually 1.43 lbs per day."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mWz5zjw6Cu8/350TfF7qDgAJ
This fact allows possible rehydration with 0.57 lbs of water as
needed.
> His lack of knowledge led him to think 2 lb.s (sic) of food per day was an ideal
> diet for a physically active person.
LIE.
2 lbs is by definition a quantity (i.e. a weight measure), which is
logically http://HeartMDPhD.com/NotDiet else 0 lbs would also be a
diet instead of what it really is, which is fasting.
> He was also mistaken to think the biblical omer was a measure of weight, 2
> lb.s. (sic) Itt (sic) was not, instead like a quart it measured volume, in this it was
> used for grain of around some 7 pounds.
LIE x 2
Manna is **not** grain according to its description as given at Exodus
16:31 where it is likened to wafers made with honey (i.e. processed
food that is more like dessert instead of raw grain)
Moreover, the Exodus 16:16 omer is, in fact, a weight measure.
"Take a jar, and put an omer of manna in it, and place it before the
LORD to be kept throughout your generations." (Exodus 16:33)
If the Exodus 16:16 omer were a volume measure, Exodus 16:33 would
have been written as "Fill an omer jar with manna and place it before
the LORD to be kept throughout your generations."
"A Biblical omer of manna weighs 2 pounds." -- Holy Spirit (see Exodus
16:16 and Exodus 16:33 and Revelation 6:6)
"An extra-Biblical omer volume measure of manna can weigh 2 pounds if
there's no settling." -- Holy Spirit (see Exodus 16:16 and Revelation
6:6 and Exodus 16:31)
Just as an ounce can be either a weight or a volume measure, so too
the omer (Biblical versus extra-Biblical). That both unit measures
start with the letter "o" did not happen by chance (Proverbs 16:33)
just as the matching of Exodus 16:33 with Proverbs 16:33 chapter &
verse numbers did not happen by chance nor that the Exodus 16 verses
bookend the 32nd verse reminding us that at Exodus 16:32, Moses really
cared more about the right amount (Revelation 6:6) of daily manna
being his legacy to the nation of Israel instead of it's composition
so much so that he lied about the LORD telling him to command his
brother, Aaron, to place a jar of an omer of manna in the Ark (a jar
that subsequently went missing from later inventories of Ark contents
because the manna became riddled with maggots proving that Moses lied
thereby explaining why his siblings later rebelled against him).
Just as cereals settle making volume measures inaccurate so that
weight measures are used on their boxes with the warning that the
boxes do not appear full because settling has occurred, so too manna,
which is again likened to wafers (Exodus 16:31) settle so that the
Exodus 16:16 omer measure is, in fact, a weight measure in accord with
what is written at Exodus 16:33.
Bottom line:
3+ LIEs in a row by what is clearly a pathological liar.
You have, again, struck out and have, yet again, unwittingly
demonstrated that there is no truth in you, who are eternally
condemned for blaspheming (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, Who is
the Spirit of Truth.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger for food, I again pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are
eternally condemned more than ever increasing His curse upon you by
extending this curse to your extended family **and** all who know you,
causing them each to die in terrible agony, one by one, so that all
others reading this will benefit by learning from your example to not
blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_
Laus DEO !
+++
Within the thread titled **Exposing the "hunger is starvation"
(Genesis 25:32) delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:11) of the eternally
condemned on 01/01/18 ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/dDW90vO_2LE
... an eternally condemned & ever more cursed nymshifter (aka woeful
wonder) asked on 01/15/18:
> Dr. chung, would you define "Schizoaffective Disorder" for us and provide
> some example symptoms?
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/dDW90vO_2LE/GdUA8Ed9AAAJ
"Schizoaffective disorder is a mental disorder in which a person
experiences a combination of schizophrenia symptoms, such as
hallucinations or delusions, and mood disorder symptoms, such as
depression or mania."
Source:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizoaffective-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20354504
The key "example symptom" relevant here in your case would be your
"having false, fixed beliefs, despite evidence to the contrary"
specifically being the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis 25:32)
false&fixed belief (delusion prophesied at 2 Thessalonians 2:11) being
vanquished for other readers at:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/dDW90vO_2LE/XXLJsNBdAAAJ
The reason for the disorder is GOD cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you to have
the mental-illness-causing http://bit.ly/HeartVAT which is a
consequence of overeating (eating more than 32 oz/day of food
according to what's written at Revelation 6:6) which is the deadly
(Proverb 23:2) Adam&Eve sin (Hebrews 12:1) of gluttony.
While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that
GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally
condemned, more than ever by expanding His curse to also include your
**extended** household more than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of
Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
Laus DEO !
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deu 8:3) when He blesses us right now
servant
Nov 30, 2020, 4:19:11 PM11/30/20
to
Andrew offers his "cure" for the pandemic, the usual 2 lb diet nonsense.
I suggest a test for this "ccure", he can march himself right over to the
cdc and offer himself to be infectted with the live virus.
helped and loss of face is the only result by trying to sidestep.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 30, 2020, 4:27:43 PM11/30/20
to
(Pandemic) 11/30/20 servant tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/5YfvfZ7VsYA/m/bxwO2imUAQAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/5YfvfZ7VsYA/m/bxwO2imUAQAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
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someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
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someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
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> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
>>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
servant
Nov 30, 2020, 5:52:32 PM11/30/20
to
Andrew, you have abandoned any sense of valid science and medicine. You
are reduced to shouting epithets from a safe distance.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 30, 2020, 8:00:00 PM11/30/20
to
(Pandemic) 11/30/20 servant haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
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