Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
Apple employee fired today for stealing photo from Genius bar customer's iPhone
10 views
Skip to first unread message
Arlen Holder
Nov 13, 2019, 8:53:32 PM11/13/19
to
This can easily be happening many thousands of times a day (IMHO)...
Dateline November 13th, 2019, 15:53GMT
o An Apple store customer came home. Then she realized what the Genius had done
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/an-apple-store-customer-came-home-then-she-realized-what-the-genius-had-done/>
"Apple fires a store employee who allegedly went through a customer's
phone, found an intimate image of her, and texted it to himself. It's not a
good look for a company that claims privacy as its competitive difference."
"Three years ago, Apple fired employees in its Brisbane store for sharing
customers' private photos among themselves."
"Gloria Fuentes says she went to the store in Bakersfield, Calif., and,
as so many customers do, trusted her iPhone to the so-called Genius.
"The Genius took his time. Fuentes said she wasn't worried. She assumed he
was just being thorough, even though he asked for her passcode twice."
"Then she got home.
She said: "I walk in my house turn on my phone about to text someone and
realize there's a message to an unsaved number!!!!! I open it and instantly
wanted to cry!!! This guy went through my gallery and sent himself one of
my EXTREMELY PERSONAL pictures that I took for my boyfriend and it had my
geolocation on so he also knows where I live!!! AND THIS PICTURE WAS FROM
ALMOST A YEAR AGO SO HE HAD TO HAVE SCROLLED UP FOR A WHILE TO GET TO THAT
PICTURE being that I have over 5,000 pics in my phone!!!! "
"In this case, the big embarrassment for Apple is that it's a company that
touts privacy as its competitive difference."
"For gadget users everywhere, there's always the same question: "Whom can
you trust? The answer, every day, seems to be: "Nobody."
See also Apple bullshit morons actually _believe_ about imaginary privacy:
o Apple's big privacy revamp: Genuine commitment or is it just for show?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/apples-big-privacy-revamp-genuine-commitment-or-is-it-just-for-show/>
--
This wouldn't be a big deal if Apple didn't advertise imaginary privacy.
Dateline November 13th, 2019, 15:53GMT
o An Apple store customer came home. Then she realized what the Genius had done
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/an-apple-store-customer-came-home-then-she-realized-what-the-genius-had-done/>
"Apple fires a store employee who allegedly went through a customer's
phone, found an intimate image of her, and texted it to himself. It's not a
good look for a company that claims privacy as its competitive difference."
"Three years ago, Apple fired employees in its Brisbane store for sharing
customers' private photos among themselves."
"Gloria Fuentes says she went to the store in Bakersfield, Calif., and,
as so many customers do, trusted her iPhone to the so-called Genius.
"The Genius took his time. Fuentes said she wasn't worried. She assumed he
was just being thorough, even though he asked for her passcode twice."
"Then she got home.
She said: "I walk in my house turn on my phone about to text someone and
realize there's a message to an unsaved number!!!!! I open it and instantly
wanted to cry!!! This guy went through my gallery and sent himself one of
my EXTREMELY PERSONAL pictures that I took for my boyfriend and it had my
geolocation on so he also knows where I live!!! AND THIS PICTURE WAS FROM
ALMOST A YEAR AGO SO HE HAD TO HAVE SCROLLED UP FOR A WHILE TO GET TO THAT
PICTURE being that I have over 5,000 pics in my phone!!!! "
"In this case, the big embarrassment for Apple is that it's a company that
touts privacy as its competitive difference."
"For gadget users everywhere, there's always the same question: "Whom can
you trust? The answer, every day, seems to be: "Nobody."
See also Apple bullshit morons actually _believe_ about imaginary privacy:
o Apple's big privacy revamp: Genuine commitment or is it just for show?
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/apples-big-privacy-revamp-genuine-commitment-or-is-it-just-for-show/>
--
This wouldn't be a big deal if Apple didn't advertise imaginary privacy.
Alan Baker
Nov 14, 2019, 12:40:53 AM11/14/19
to
On 2019-11-13 5:53 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> This can easily be happening many thousands of times a day (IMHO)...
Yes.
> This can easily be happening many thousands of times a day (IMHO)...
Humans can abuse the access they are given...
...at any company.
Arlen Holder
Nov 14, 2019, 11:13:13 AM11/14/19
to
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:40:52 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> Humans can abuse the access they are given...
Particularly humans in a company that highly touts imaginary privacy.
> Humans can abuse the access they are given...
Remember Siri?
Alan Baker
Nov 14, 2019, 2:56:59 PM11/14/19
to
In no way is that "particular" to Apple.
>
> Remember Siri?
Yup. It's irrelevant to this discussion.
Barry Margolin
Nov 14, 2019, 5:14:28 PM11/14/19
to
In article <qqic2q$g4h$1...@news.mixmin.net>,
to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
anything critical).
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
Arlen Holder <_arlen....@halder.edu> wrote:
> "In this case, the big embarrassment for Apple is that it's a company that
> touts privacy as its competitive difference."
They tout the security of the software. But when you give your password
> "In this case, the big embarrassment for Apple is that it's a company that
> touts privacy as its competitive difference."
to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
anything critical).
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
Arlen Holder
Nov 14, 2019, 7:59:26 PM11/14/19
to
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:56:58 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> In no way is that "particular" to Apple.
Alan,
> In no way is that "particular" to Apple.
Which mobile phone manufacturer touts privacy as their differentiator?
Is that privacy real, or imaginary?
That's why it matters.
Arlen Holder
Nov 14, 2019, 7:59:27 PM11/14/19
to
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:14:22 -0500, Barry Margolin wrote:
> They tout the security of the software. But when you give your password
> to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
> access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
> something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
> bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
> anything critical).
Hi Barry Margolin,
> They tout the security of the software. But when you give your password
> to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
> access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
> something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
> bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
> anything critical).
I agree.
o This was yet again a loss of trust.
If you're sensible, you can see EXACTLY what Apple is doing.
o Apple cherry picks what Apple wants to advertise, as "privacy".
o The reality is that privacy on iOS is atrocious - just like Android.
People who can't comprehend the facts think that's a misstatement.
o But the facts _clearly_ support that assessment of fact.
For one, only a month or so ago, Google proved beyond any doubt Apple never
sufficiently tested iOS from 10.x to 12.x for privacy.
The horrendous FacePalm privacy leaks were so sophomoric, a child could
find them, and did.
The Siri privacy leaks were classic, where it matters greatly to adults
when even the reference article says this, about WHY it matters:
"In this case, the big embarrassment for Apple is that
it's a company that touts privacy as its competitive difference."
I've listed, many times scores of privacy-related flaws we've discussed in
it's a company that touts privacy as its competitive difference."
the past few years on this newsgroup; the number of privacy holes is
horrendously shocking, in iOS.
This is just yet another privacy leak, by Apple (of many).
In summary, the only reason this is newsworthy, is that Apple highly touts
privacy as their differentiator, and yet, that expensive advertising is
simply touting the mere illusion of privacy.
I don't doubt it works on fools - because it works beautifully on fools.
But, for adults, if they're gonna highly advertise they're better than the
rest, then the facts had better show that they're better than the rest...
and the facts do not show that.
You'll be convinced of that fact if you can read through this thread:
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MiZixhidmOs/ATC1S3s4FQAJ>
Fundamentally, what Apple is doing is advertising imaginary functionality.
o Apple cherry picks where they are good in privacy
o Apple ignores the huge areas where they are bad in privacy
That's not privacy.
o That's just bullshit marketing.
My only problem with that is that people, like Alan Baker, actually
_believe_ iOS is somehow (magically?) more private than Android, even as I
have shown MANY ways iOS is far less private than Android.
Just one example is that you can't get rid of the Apple ID or Advertiser ID
on iOS, and yet, on Android, it's trivial (there are so many of these
examples, that I just use that as a very simple one everyone already
knows).
Privacy is a chain - where Apple only advertises the strong links
o And Apple ignores the weak links
One of which was what this news article highlighted.
--
This has been an adult observation of facts.
Alan Baker
Nov 15, 2019, 2:41:43 AM11/15/19
to
On 2019-11-14 4:59 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:56:58 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> In no way is that "particular" to Apple.
>
> Alan,
>
> Which mobile phone manufacturer touts privacy as their differentiator?
Have they been touting that the people who work for Apple are magically
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:56:58 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> In no way is that "particular" to Apple.
>
> Alan,
>
> Which mobile phone manufacturer touts privacy as their differentiator?
saints?
I don't recall that.
>
> Is that privacy real, or imaginary?
>
> That's why it matters.
Alan Baker
Nov 15, 2019, 2:42:32 AM11/15/19
to
On 2019-11-14 4:59 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:14:22 -0500, Barry Margolin wrote:
>
>> They tout the security of the software. But when you give your password
>> to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
>> access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
>> something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
>> bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
>> anything critical).
>
> Hi Barry Margolin,
>
> I agree.
> o This was yet again a loss of trust.
>
> If you're sensible, you can see EXACTLY what Apple is doing.
> o Apple cherry picks what Apple wants to advertise, as "privacy".
> o The reality is that privacy on iOS is atrocious - just like Android.
Actually, the reality is that Apple consistent ranks better for privacy...
>
>> They tout the security of the software. But when you give your password
>> to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
>> access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
>> something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
>> bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
>> anything critical).
>
> Hi Barry Margolin,
>
> I agree.
> o This was yet again a loss of trust.
>
> If you're sensible, you can see EXACTLY what Apple is doing.
> o Apple cherry picks what Apple wants to advertise, as "privacy".
> o The reality is that privacy on iOS is atrocious - just like Android.
...even in sources you've cited.
Barry Margolin
Nov 15, 2019, 12:24:46 PM11/15/19
to
In article <qqlkt6$13l$7...@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nu...@ness.biz>
wrote:
That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit.
wrote:
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 1:23:55 PM11/15/19
to
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 23:41:42 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> This was one person who abused the authority he/she had been given.
Alan,
> This was one person who abused the authority he/she had been given.
I'm well educated, so I do admit I have trouble conversing with you.
*The fundamental adult point is that privacy on iOS is purely imaginary.*
o It's marketing bullshit which only fools believe (lots & lots of fools)
I'm going to _try_ to speak with you as if you are an adult.
(Mainly because I hope there _are_ adults who read this thread.)
First off, it was NOT one person at Apple who violated privacy.
o The article _clearly_ said this isn't the first time it happened.
Nor will it be the last (IMHO).
What you child-like apologists do is completely ignore obvious facts.
o You ignored the mention of Siri, & the mention of the FacePalm issues.
o You ignored Google proved beyond doubt, iOS isn't sufficiently tested.
o You ignored I've proved, by oh, I can't count the threads, that iOS is
historically filled to the brim with privacy holes so big you can drive a
bus through them - even holes that Apple already previously fixed and which
they opened up again (simply because they don't have a good testing
procedure).
You ignored even Apple employees complain of the lack of testing on iOS.
You ignored that we've proved the Apple App Store is similarly afflicted.
(the list of facts proving privacy on iOS is imaginary goes on and on)
I know you'll say we never proved that, but simply run a search here:
o <http://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone>
o <http://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com>
Search for the words "flaw" or "bug" or "privacy" or "security".
You'll find scores upon scores of PROOF of these statements, Alan Baker.
I know the silly childish game you apologists play, Alan Baker.
o You won't _read_ the threads (nor will you comprehend the facts in them).
o You'll even claim they're "just" Usenet posts (that's your specialty).
And yet, you _ignore) that EVERY thread contains at least one factual
reference that is indisputable, where most threads contain dozens and even
some contain scores of factual indisputable references.
Here is just _one_ example pulled from those scores of threads:
o Apple says it doesn't track you, but apps on iPhone sure do
<https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2019/06/28/apple-touts-iphone-privacy-features-iphone-but-beware-apps-watch/1492715001/>
"Unlike Facebook, Google and Amazon, Apple proudly proclaims
that it 'doesn't gather your personal information to sell
to advertisers or other organizations'"
"However, what it has built is a system that's been exploited
by others for tracking. In speeches, Apple CEO Tim Cook decries
privacy abuses by Silicon Valley rivals but hasn't changed its
systems to stop them in their tracks."
That's just one instance, of, oh, I can't count them, hundreds.
Privacy is a chain of links - where Apple touts only some links.
o Apple ignores the _many_ links in privacy where iOS apps fail.
That's not privacy, Alan Baker.
o That's advertising the mere _illusion_ of privacy.
I get it that fools _feel_ safe when you advertise an illusion of privacy.
o But the fact is, they're not safe.
Facts prove it's indisputable, iOS is rampant with privacy holes.
So is Android, by the way.
Google doesn't HIGHLY TOUT with huge billboards that their key
differentiators is your privacy. Neither does Motorola, Samsung, etc.
And that's the point.
If Apple is gonna tout that they're "holier than thou"...
o Then Apple damn well factually _be_ holier than thou.
And, hundreds of facts clearly show, they're not even close.
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY/Bm40liKdEQAJ>
*The fundamental adult point is that privacy on iOS is purely imaginary.*
o It's marketing bullshit which only fools believe (lots & lots of fools)
--
A conversation on an Apple ng is nothing like that on an Android ng.
Alan Baker
Nov 15, 2019, 1:29:25 PM11/15/19
to
On 2019-11-15 10:23 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 23:41:42 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> This was one person who abused the authority he/she had been given.
>
> Alan,
>
> I'm well educated, so I do admit I have trouble conversing with you.
Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 23:41:42 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> This was one person who abused the authority he/she had been given.
>
> Alan,
>
> I'm well educated, so I do admit I have trouble conversing with you.
:-)
>
> *The fundamental adult point is that privacy on iOS is purely imaginary.*
> o It's marketing bullshit which only fools believe (lots & lots of fools)
>
> I'm going to _try_ to speak with you as if you are an adult.
> (Mainly because I hope there _are_ adults who read this thread.)
>
> First off, it was NOT one person at Apple who violated privacy.
> o The article _clearly_ said this isn't the first time it happened.
> Nor will it be the last (IMHO).
Just as social hacks where people reveal their own passwords don't have
anything to do with the security of the platform on which those
passwords are used.
>
> What you child-like apologists do is completely ignore obvious facts.
> o You ignored the mention of Siri, & the mention of the FacePalm issues.
> o You ignored Google proved beyond doubt, iOS isn't sufficiently tested.
> o You ignored I've proved, by oh, I can't count the threads, that iOS is
> historically filled to the brim with privacy holes so big you can drive a
> bus through them - even holes that Apple already previously fixed and which
> they opened up again (simply because they don't have a good testing
> procedure).
> You ignored even Apple employees complain of the lack of testing on iOS.
> You ignored that we've proved the Apple App Store is similarly afflicted.
> (the list of facts proving privacy on iOS is imaginary goes on and on)
>
> I know you'll say we never proved that, but simply run a search here:
> o <http://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone>
> o <http://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com>
> Search for the words "flaw" or "bug" or "privacy" or "security".
>
> You'll find scores upon scores of PROOF of these statements, Alan Baker.
>
> I know the silly childish game you apologists play, Alan Baker.
> o You won't _read_ the threads (nor will you comprehend the facts in them).
> o You'll even claim they're "just" Usenet posts (that's your specialty).
>
> And yet, you _ignore) that EVERY thread contains at least one factual
> reference that is indisputable, where most threads contain dozens and even
> some contain scores of factual indisputable references.
>
> Here is just _one_ example pulled from those scores of threads:
> o Apple says it doesn't track you, but apps on iPhone sure do
> <https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2019/06/28/apple-touts-iphone-privacy-features-iphone-but-beware-apps-watch/1492715001/>
> "Unlike Facebook, Google and Amazon, Apple proudly proclaims
> that it 'doesn't gather your personal information to sell
> to advertisers or other organizations'"
> "However, what it has built is a system that's been exploited
> by others for tracking. In speeches, Apple CEO Tim Cook decries
> privacy abuses by Silicon Valley rivals but hasn't changed its
> systems to stop them in their tracks."
>
> That's just one instance, of, oh, I can't count them, hundreds.
Your claim is that because someone abused access that they had been
granted that that proves something about iOS privacy.
It doesn't.
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 2:15:37 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 12:24:36 -0500, Barry Margolin wrote:
> That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit.
Hi Barry Margolin,
> That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit.
I'm highly educated (never forget that); which means I know your game.
I have studied you Apple apologists over quite a number of years.
o You apologists _interest_ me ... because you're not like normal people.
*It appears you child-like apologists are DEATHLY AFRAID of mere facts.*
a. Apple marketed imaginary privacy & imaginary functionality to you
b. You paid dearly to attain that imaginary safety & functionality
c. Hence, any facts proving otherwise, you treat as a dire mortal threat
Apologists only have seven basic responses to facts they just don't like:
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ>
*On this newsgroup most people have absolutely no adult response to facts.*
o Whether you comprehend facts will be based on _your_ cognitive skills.
Despite you proving otherwise just now, I will still graciously assume that
you are an adult, which means I assume, a priori, you can cognitively
process facts like an adult should; but the fact that you post to this
newsgroup, and the fact you make utterly baseless claims, my belie that
basic assumption that you own the cognitive skills to process basic facts.
First, take a look at what actual adults post, on the Android newsgroup:
o What do YOU use for your todo/tobuy lists and why do you like that app?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/GVnN_bnHzGk/L4WYx8T2AQAJ>
*NOTICE WHAT's HUGELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IS POSTED ON APPLE NEWSGROUPS?*
HINT:
o Adults
o Facts
Please do NOT respond to this post UNTIL/UNLESS you skim what adults write!
That's what a "normal" thread is like, on a newsgroup comprised of adults.
o They speak facts; they process facts; they discuss facts like adults do.
I've always wondered why Apple newsgroup threads are nothing like that.
On this newsgroup, people make up imaginary functionality all the time!
o Why do Apple Apologists constantly brazenly fabricate what turns out to be wholly imaginary Apple functionality?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/SZfblCIRc9s/BNYMDpdXEgAJ>
On this newsgroup, people have absolutely no adult response to facts:
o Why do the apologists like nospam turn into instant children in the face of mere facts (e.g., ftfy)?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/TZbkkqS3jv4/3_TTHgRpBwAJ>
On this newsgroup, people literally HATE FACTS about Apple products!
o Why do apologists on this ng consistently hate facts about Apple products
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/6OecwGrr4FM/pxffpfr3CQAJ>
People on this newsgroup turn into instant children when faced with facts:
o Why do the apologists like nospam turn into instant children in the face of mere facts (e.g., ftfy)?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/TZbkkqS3jv4/3_TTHgRpBwAJ>
Worse, people on this newsgroup are sadistic when they play their games.
o Why do the Apple Apologists constantly send poor unsuspecting iOS users on wild goose chases?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ynh0PE9lK_I/QOiGP4_SFQAJ>
Why are Apple newsgroups filled with people who act like children?
o I don't know why.
Given Apple's competitive advantage is their marketing is one of the best
in the world, I suspect people who buy Apple products are EXTREMELY HIGHLY
swayed by marketing bullshit.
Apple marketing feeds the user's brain with imaginary functionality
o Where those who post to this newsgroup are particularly susceptible
For example, they line up outside the store on opening day because they
can't wait a week or a month to ditch their old iPhone at the first
opportunity they get (usually at about 2 years) to buy the "latest model".
As another example, they are HIGHLY SUSCEPTIBLE to the intense need to
"feel" safe, where Apple marketing bullshit about privacy & security
RESONATES GREATLY with them.
Where the mere fact that iOS releases constantly, makes them _feel_ safe!
o When apologists claim iOS is "safer" than Android simply because of the "frequency" of release...
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WzRDeuHmQoc/QGt-UNkADAAJ>
In addition, they actually believe, sans even a single shred of factual
proof, that the iOS ecosystem is, somehow (magically?) more functional,
than the competing ecosystem, even as they can _never_ once prove their
claims of imaginary functionality when challenged with "name just one".
The very fact that the posters to this newsgroup almost always fail (if not
always) the simplest "name just one" test of imaginary belief systems,
proves this to be a fact.
Now the question becomes WHY do apologists know so little about iOS?
o I don't know why.
It's either apologists only know what marketing has fed them to believe
Or, Apologists are always playing silly little childish sadistic games.
I think it's both.
Then the question comes WHY would you people be so childish so frequently?
o I don't know why.
I think facts literally DESTROY in an instant your entire belief system.
o It's like me telling a child that Santa Claus isn't real.
You child-like apologists react to facts exactly as that child would.
o And yet, they're just facts.
It appears you apologists are DEATHLY AFRAID of mere facts.
a. Apple marketed imaginary privacy & imaginary functionality
b. You paid dearly to attain that imaginary safety & functionality
c. Hence, facts proving otherwise, you treat as a mortal threat
--
Imaginary belief systems are easily threated by something as simple as fact
Savageduck
Nov 15, 2019, 2:17:16 PM11/15/19
to
On Nov 15, 2019, Alan Baker wrote
(in article <qqmqpu$1urm$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
> On 2019-11-15 10:23 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 23:41:42 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> >
> > > This was one person who abused the authority he/she had been given.
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> > I'm well educated, so I do admit I have trouble conversing with you.
>
> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
>
> > -)
I doubt that his ability to converse with anybody has anything to do levels
of education, but is related to his untreated position on the Aspergers
spectrum, and his own issues regarding Dunning-Kruger.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
(in article <qqmqpu$1urm$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
> On 2019-11-15 10:23 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 23:41:42 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> >
> > > This was one person who abused the authority he/she had been given.
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> > I'm well educated, so I do admit I have trouble conversing with you.
>
> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
>
> > -)
of education, but is related to his untreated position on the Aspergers
spectrum, and his own issues regarding Dunning-Kruger.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 2:49:25 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:17:10 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
>>
>>> -)
>
> I doubt that his ability to converse with anybody has anything to do levels
> of education, but is related to his untreated position on the Aspergers
> spectrum, and his own issues regarding Dunning-Kruger.
>> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
>>
>>> -)
>
> I doubt that his ability to converse with anybody has anything to do levels
> of education, but is related to his untreated position on the Aspergers
> spectrum, and his own issues regarding Dunning-Kruger.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:29:18 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
*I HAVE NEVER ONCE STATED A MATERIAL FACT ON USENET THAT WAS WRONG*!(1)
> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
o That fact alone, proves I own adult cognitive skills, Alan Baker.
I claim to be highly educated, Alan Baker.
o I also claim to have worked, for decades, in Silicon Valley startups.
If my claim is not correct... would I have survived for more than a month
in either of those two environments if I had the cognitive skills of the
average poster to this newsgroup?
Think about that Alan Baker.
o Almost none of you posters own the cognitive skills of a normal adult.
Let alone the cream of the crop of intelligent adults
o Bearing in mind, I've studied & worked with truly intelligent people.
You Apple apologists wouldn't last a month in competitive environments.
o You prove that _every_ single time you post.
One way to tell, Alan Baker, that we're not at the same level is that I
claimed my facts have _never_ been materially wrong(1) in my decades (how
many thousands of posts? I can't count them!) on Usenet, which is a
credibility standard unheard of on the Apple-based newsgroups.
For example, nospam's credibility (admittedly, the best of the apologists)
barely approaches the results of a simple coin toss.
The only poster I can think of who is even better than I am, is David
Empson, but there may be other Apple posters who own adult cognitive
skills.
But not you. Nor Barry Margolin.
I know you so well Alan Baker, that I can predict your response, which is
you claim I was "materially wrong" by stating the published facts regarding
the exact dates and times that Apple was informed of the FacePalm bug,
which you carried out to the nth degree, much like a child does because
that's the _best_ you could come up with (where I proved my facts were as
published, just as you took your facts from a mere youtube post).
Or, you'll claim that the published musings on the Internet about the
refurbished iPhone X were wrong, which, again, I posted EXACTLY what the
articles said, where those are facts that I published. Whether or not those
rumors came to fruition is a completely different issue than the fact I
published and referenced the exact stated facts, and by whom.
Similarly, nospam plays his silly child-like games around the fact that iOS
can't do the simplest of things (like graph wifi over time) where the game
he plays is to say it can be done if you want to become a developer, which
isn't what I said - I said there are no apps on the app store.
Likewise, nospam plays his silly childish game around the fact that I said
the iPhone 8 and iPhone X got throttling _software_, where nospam plays the
silly semantic game saying he knows of no phone that was actually
_throttled_, etc.
The material facts I stated are NEVER wrong!(1)
You apologists constantly prove to not own adult cognitive skills.
o And, you always prove to play fifth-grade silly games around facts.
My point is, Alan Baker, that I've NEVER been materially wrong.
o You apologists can't even remotely fathom a credibility that stellar.
For you child-like Apple posters, that's an incredible thing to tout,
where, just as I said with Apple's imaginary claims of holier-than-thou
privacy, credibility is a CHAIN OF LINKS, any one of which if weak, will
break the chain of incredibility.
I claim holier-than-thou factual accuracy, Alan Baker.
o Prove me wrong!
The huge difference between me and you is that I'm not afraid of facts.
o Facts not only form the basis of my belief system - they bolster it.
If the facts change, my belief system changes to fit the facts.
o That's how intelligent adults cognitively process facts, Alan Baker.
Hence, I challenge YOU, Alan Baker, and the child-like Barry Margolin, and
EVERYONE on these Apple newsgroups (yes, even Steve Scharf, who claims I'm
only 60% right and yet, has NEVER once listed a fact that I stated that is
materially wrong in my entire life on Usenet).
o Steve claims Arlen is only 60% correct where Arlen is 100% correct on material facts
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/u7yQ959XPRU/a9jvGbXfAwAJ>
*I HAVE NEVER ONCE STATED A MATERIAL FACT ON USENET THAT WAS WRONG*!(1)
o I challenge you and all you childish apologists - to prove me wrong.
--
(1) I'm human and Usenet is casual, and worse, filled with babies who will
ignore that we may have mentioned details in the beginning of the thread
and then not repeat them in every post, so they claim that the facts were
wrong because of a detail left out that any adult KNOWS would have been
assumed, a priori (this is nospam's specialty). It's inevitable, after
decades of thousands of posts to Usenet, that I might have accidentally
gotten a fact wrong, but since my belief system is BASED on facts, and
since I generally quote the cite's exact words before paraphrasing them,
it's going to be rare to non-existent for my facts to be materially wrong.
Another game the apologists play (particularly Alan Baker) is that they
don't read the article or cite simply brazenly disputing the facts, merely
because they don't like them.
Sometimes the apologists dispute the facts because they didn't cognitively
comprehend the documentation (as with the case of Steve Scharf who claimed
Apple royalties per phone went down - and with the case of Alan Baker who
claimed that the three way convoluted payments only had Apple's one-way
component - which - of course - was Apple's devilishly clever marketing
spin which fed Alan Baker to believe exactly what Apple wanted him to
believe).
Other than minor typos and obvious thinkos, I have NEVER even once made a
materially wrong statement of fact (we're not counting obvious IMHOs, and
AFAICT, and AFAICR, etc.). We're talking material facts here.
This claim sounds astounding to child-like Apple posters; but, they seem to
not own basic adult cognitive skills, so it's only incredible to them
because they themselves can't fathom such a high standard of credibility.
I dare child-like apologists to cite a _single_ materially wrong fact.
o Name just one
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 2:57:25 PM11/15/19
to
On 15 Nov 2019 18:55:11 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit.
>
> It's even simpler than that: "if they are Apple, they're shit".
>> That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit.
>
*I love when you post Jolly Roger, because you prove to be immune to fact!*
FACT:
a. I own _plenty_ of Apple iOS-based products (lots & lots)
b. I speak only _facts_ about those Apple products
What you really don't like, Jolly Roger...
o Are those facts.
Such as the fact the holier-than-thou privacy Apple touts is imaginary.
o The fact you hate facts doesn't change that they're still facts.
*Remember: _NEVER EVEN ONCE_ have my facts EVER been wrong.*
o See response to Alan Baker for details.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/HPuGCvCDbQg/C8YXAiLpCAAJ>
And see that same response to Steve Scharf, who can't back up his claims:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/u7yQ959XPRU>
I'm not afraid of facts, Jolly Roger.
Two things, Jolly Roger, you need to know:
o You prove to be immune to facts you don't like, and,
o I have NEVER even once been wrong on my facts.
HINT: That's why you don't like me (and that's OK).
o Facts instantly DESTROY your imaginary belief system.
--
Apple apologists can't comprehend someone who speaks facts.
nospam
Nov 15, 2019, 3:27:12 PM11/15/19
to
In article <qqmvg3$8at$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
> *I HAVE OFTEN STATED A MATERIAL FACT ON USENET THAT WAS WRONG*!(1)
ftfy
> I claim to be highly educated, Alan Baker.
you might claim that, but it was a complete waste of time and money.
> o I also claim to have worked, for decades, in Silicon Valley startups.
so have millions of other people.
> *I HAVE OFTEN STATED A MATERIAL FACT ON USENET THAT WAS WRONG*!(1)
ftfy
> I claim to be highly educated, Alan Baker.
> o I also claim to have worked, for decades, in Silicon Valley startups.
nospam
Nov 15, 2019, 3:27:14 PM11/15/19
to
In article <qqmvv4$973$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
actually, you own relatively few, but regardless of the number, you do
not know how to use any of them to their fullest potential, or even
partly.
worse, whenever anyone tells you how to do what you ask, including
specific steps to follow, you ignore it and go off on a rant, claiming
it can't be done, despite it being trivial to do.
actually, you own relatively few, but regardless of the number, you do
not know how to use any of them to their fullest potential, or even
partly.
worse, whenever anyone tells you how to do what you ask, including
specific steps to follow, you ignore it and go off on a rant, claiming
it can't be done, despite it being trivial to do.
Alan Baker
Nov 15, 2019, 5:15:36 PM11/15/19
to
On 2019-11-15 11:49 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:17:10 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>
>>> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
>>>
>>>> -)
>>
>> I doubt that his ability to converse with anybody has anything to do levels
>> of education, but is related to his untreated position on the Aspergers
>> spectrum, and his own issues regarding Dunning-Kruger.
>
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:29:18 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
>
> *I HAVE NEVER ONCE STATED A MATERIAL FACT ON USENET THAT WAS WRONG*!(1)
I have found that it is the people who "shout" (post in allcaps,
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:17:10 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>
>>> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
>>>
>>>> -)
>>
>> I doubt that his ability to converse with anybody has anything to do levels
>> of education, but is related to his untreated position on the Aspergers
>> spectrum, and his own issues regarding Dunning-Kruger.
>
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:29:18 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you're not as well educated as you think?
>
> *I HAVE NEVER ONCE STATED A MATERIAL FACT ON USENET THAT WAS WRONG*!(1)
surrounded by asterisks for bolding no less!)...
...are almost always lying.
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 5:18:25 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:27:12 -0500, nospam wrote:
> actually, you own relatively few,
Hi nospam,
> actually, you own relatively few,
I'm going to write this as if you own adult cognitive skills.
o Mostly this post is for ADULTS on this newsgroup (not you).
The difference between you Apple apologists & adults is that adults have
good credibility (see screen shots below of things iOS apps just can't do).
Besides, all I need to own is 1 to know iOS apps are functionally lacking.
o *Every day I do things on Android that are _impossible_ in iOS.*
As for the "number" of devices, all I need is "one", but you know I own
three iPads, and that my kids & grandkids (mostly the girls) have iPhones.
You know I give out phones and iPods as stocking stuffers (more often
Android though lately, simply because of its inherent fantastic value).
o Phablet stocking stuffers: iPhone 7 versus LG Stylo 3 Plus price/performance hardware comparison
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/ls71mnkj4jk/n0FaH2e_DQAJ>
You know I have so many iPods that I lost count, but let's say about five
are scattered about here and there (none of which use the iTunes
abomination and I can do everything I need to do with them).
And you know I'm in an educational environment at times where I'm forced to
use the awful Mac (where you know I'm normally on Linux & Windows).
You don't remember my screenshot editing questions for the Mac, for
example? Or the test that proved the Mac was didn't natively support the
OpenVPN protocol?
Are those facts truly unknown to you?
o Or did you simply ignore those facts?
> but regardless of the number, you do
> not know how to use any of them to their fullest potential, or even
> partly.
o Name just one (app on the iOS app store that does this funcdtionality)
And the last time you idiots tried to claim that (remember Snit?), none of
you morons knew the difference between a decibel and a megabit for Christs'
sake. (Do you think I forgot that you apologists are so immune to facts,
all you saw was a 'pretty graph', and you never even once comprehended what
that graph showed - which PROVED - you don't have adult comprehensive
cognitive skills, nospam).
o It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0/rX-L9xbYAQAJ>
Do you need me to quote the hilarious video you apologists all applauded?
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> (Snit video, which apologists applauded)
After that thread, I shook my head in utter fantastically dismal dismay.
o You apologists are not like normal people
o You can't even comprehend what a Y-Axis displays for Christs' sake.
Each time I try to do something simple on iOS, like graph WiFi signal
strength over time for all access points, I find out there are no apps on
the iTunes app store that allow you to do that.
There is so much "missing functionality" on that iOS app store that it
isn't funny. <https://i.postimg.cc/25v3FT6S/debug-on-android.jpg>
I have to wonder about people like Barry Margolin, who clearly isn't like
Alan Baker, so Barry Margolin "can" comprehend facts; he simply ignores
them - not because he can't comprehend them - but because he won't.
Barry doesn't comprehend the simplest things don't have apps on iOS.
For example, setting up your homescreen any way you like is trivial on
Android: <https://i.postimg.cc/rs3t4VV6/homescreen00.jpg>
And yet, to do the same on iOS requires heroics like you can't believe:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8196701homescreen02.jpg>
NOTE: iOS is so brain dead you can't remove a dock even if you wanted to!
(On android, you can do so many things with a dock it isn't funny.)
There's so much basic functionality _missing_ in iOS apps.
o Such as this listing of all installed apps to a text file "by the phone".
<https://i.postimg.cc/MpbSr3hL/applist01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/qq3fc1sj/applist02.jpg>
There are so many things (scores upon scores) that I do on Android every
single day, that have absolutely zero apps on the Apple app store.
o Such as this graphing of Wi-Fi signal strength for all nearby APs
<https://i.postimg.cc/NMbNGBnm/wifi01.jpg>
While there isn't a _single_ app that provides this basic modern
functionality on the Apple iOS app store, there are _plenty_ on Android:
<https://i.postimg.cc/281Hmp7L/wifi02.jpg>
When I say plenty, I mean plenty of Android apps are available for free:
<https://i.postimg.cc/Ls3Dvm2w/wifi03.jpg>
That provide this modern useful app functionality that iOS lacks:
<https://i.postimg.cc/tJwN7TNZ/wifi04.jpg>
All you need to do is own a single Android & iOS device to INSTANTLY see
the difference in utter lack of basic modern funcdtionality, where you paly
the apologist game by always making (different) *excuses* for why the iOS
App Store is woefully deficient in basic app functionality that abounds on
Android.
o For example, last I checked, something as trivial and modern as automatic
phone recording is impossible on iOS (and yes, I know the game you play).
<https://i.postimg.cc/bNgkkM9W/calls01.jpg>
It takes only seconds, to realize how "brain dead" iOS is, in fact:
o Such as doing something as simple as changing the names of app icons so
that they make sense to you (e.g., to remove duplicate names or to focus
the app on what it does for you, etc.)
<https://i.postimg.cc/V5yD8M3K/todolist02.jpg>
Can you believe iOS is so primitive that it can't even do something as
simple as this? <https://i.postimg.cc/28hfBx88/todolist03.jpg>
I can go on and on proving iOS is primitive where you'll ignore it.
o You apologists have no tolerance for facts, and yet,
o You apologists seem to have an infinite tolerance for marketing.
The fact is, iOS is primitive in functionality compared to modern Android.
o Simply because iOS can't do even the simplest of the easiest things.
> worse, whenever anyone tells you how to do what you ask, including
> specific steps to follow, you ignore it and go off on a rant, claiming
> it can't be done, despite it being trivial to do.
that you have seven basic responses to facts, none of which are adult.
All you need to do, nospam, is name the app on the app store today that
does ANY of the things that I showed I do every day on Android.
o Name just one
HINT: The record will not only show that you will fail, but that you
_always_ fail the simplest test of an imaginary belief system:
o Name just one
Unfortunately, I don't believe you actually own the belief system that
thinks these non-existent apps exist; I hate to use this word nospam, and
the record shows that I almost never (if ever) use it; but you're a liar.
The fact is your credibility is worse than that of a coin toss.
o And yet, mine is 100% stellar on material facts.
You're a childish liar nospam.
o And you hide behind the anonymity of Usenet to make those brazen lies.
It's easy to prove you're a liar nospam.
o You failed (I already know you will) the test of your own statements.
Name just one app that does what I do on Android all day as shown above.
o Name just one
--
The key problem with the apologists is that they lie when faced with facts.
Alan Browne
Nov 15, 2019, 6:04:11 PM11/15/19
to
On 2019-11-14 17:14, Barry Margolin wrote:
> They tout the security of the software. But when you give your password
> to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
> access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
> something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
> bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
> anything critical).
Not sure why you're replying earnestly to a proven troll with, er,
> They tout the security of the software. But when you give your password
> to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
> access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
> something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
> bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
> anything critical).
issues, but good luck anyway.
--
"Even with the brain dead, the pig's heart keeps on beating...
sort of like ... pick a Kardashian."
-Anthony Bourdain, Parts Unknown
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 6:05:58 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:27:08 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> *I HAVE OFTEN STATED A MATERIAL FACT ON USENET THAT WAS WRONG*!(1)
>
> ftfy
The adults (if any) on this newsgroup will note this salient point:
>> *I HAVE OFTEN STATED A MATERIAL FACT ON USENET THAT WAS WRONG*!(1)
>
> ftfy
o *The apologists (e.g., nospam) have no _adult_ response to facts*
Lest you think this isn't a common trait of the apologists, look here:
o Why do the apologists like nospam turn into instant children in the face of mere facts (e.g., ftfy)?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/TZbkkqS3jv4/3_TTHgRpBwAJ>
--
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/TZbkkqS3jv4/3_TTHgRpBwAJ>
Apologists always prove to own the mind of a small child when confronted
with facts that conflict with the imaginary belief system marketing fed
them - just as fifth graders react to the fact Santa Claus isn't real.
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 6:12:33 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:15:34 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> I have found that it is the people who "shout" (post in allcaps,
> surrounded by asterisks for bolding no less!)...
>
> ...are almost always lying.
> I have found that it is the people who "shout" (post in allcaps,
> surrounded by asterisks for bolding no less!)...
>
> ...are almost always lying.
The adults (if any) on this newsgroup will note this salient point:
o *The apologists (e.g., Alan Baker) have no _adult_ response to facts*
Alan Baker can't find a single instance of me "lying", and yet, he claims
that I do, when nobody has ever found my facts to ever be materially wrong.
That would be ironically funny, if it didn't prove how apologists think.
o Alan makes claims that _he_ can't ever back up ...
And yet, it's me who he claims is "lying".
--
Apologists clearly are child-like people who are NOT like normal adults.
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 6:13:49 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:04:05 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
> Not sure why you're replying earnestly to a proven troll with, er,
> issues, but good luck anyway.
> Not sure why you're replying earnestly to a proven troll with, er,
> issues, but good luck anyway.
The adults (if any) on this newsgroup will note this salient point:
o *The apologists (e.g., Alan Browne) have no _adult_ response to facts*
The list of apologists is below, where the proof is they only have 7
responses to facts, one of which is to call any bearer of facts, a "troll".
o Alan Baker <nu...@ness.biz>
o Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com>
o Ammammata <amma...@tiscalinet.it> (not an apologist, but is ignorant)
o Andreas Rutishauser <and...@macandreas.ch>
o Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> (educated & yet immune to fact)
o Beedle <Bee...@dont-email.me>
o B...@Onramp.net
o Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
o Davoud <st...@sky.net>
o dpb <no...@none.net> (posts worthless drivel - but keeps it short)
o Elden <use...@moondog.org>
o Elfin <elfi...@gmail.com> (aka Lloyd, aka Lloyd Parsons)
o Hemidactylus <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>
o joe <no...@domain.invalid>
o Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
o Johan <JH...@nospam.invalid>
o John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net> (child-like cognitive skills)
o Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com>
o Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
o Lloyd <elfi...@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
o Lloyd Parsons <lloy...@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
o Meanie <M...@gmail.com>
o nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> (bullshitter par excellence)
o Panthera Tigris Altaica <northe...@outlook.com>
o Sandman <m...@sandman.net> (hates any and all facts about Apple)
o Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
o sms <scharf...@geemail.com> (not an apologist, but immune to facts)
o Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> (aka Michael Glasser)
o Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net>
o Wade Garrett <wa...@cooler.net> (about as dumb as a human can be)
o Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> (never posts anything of value)
o et al.
Lewis
Nov 15, 2019, 6:14:53 PM11/15/19
to
In message <barmar-02D9E2....@reader.eternal-september.org> Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit.
So Arlen knows Arlen is shit.
> That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit.
--
<[TN]FBMachine> I got kicked out of Barnes and Noble once for moving all
the bibles into the fiction section
nospam
Nov 15, 2019, 6:53:21 PM11/15/19
to
In article <qqn87g$qhj$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
actually, you just think you do, but even if that was the case, so what?
no device does everything. pick the best tool for the job.
every day i do things on ios that are impossible on android.
whop de do.
> As for the "number" of devices, all I need is "one", but you know I own
> three iPads, and that my kids & grandkids (mostly the girls) have iPhones.
three is not 'a lot'.
and whatever your kids and grandkids might own does not in any way
count to *your* total.
however, the real problem is you don't know how to use any of them to
their fullest, and that goes for android devices too.
> You know I give out phones and iPods as stocking stuffers (more often
> Android though lately, simply because of its inherent fantastic value).
gifts also do not count as ownership.
>
> You don't remember my screenshot editing questions for the Mac, for
> example?
i remember quite well that you were told exactly how to edit screen
shots using entirely native apps (no third party anything), including
adding curvy arrows and various other markups you said you wanted, with
precise step by step instructions how to do it, and despite all of
that, you continued to rant that it could not be done, just as you
always do.
> Or the test that proved the Mac was didn't natively support the
> OpenVPN protocol?
open vpn is fully supported on mac and ios using any of several third
party clients, just as it is on windows, linux and android, which also
require a third party client.
<https://openvpn.net/vpn-server-resources/connecting-to-access-server-wi
th-linux/>
The OpenVPN protocol is not one that is built into Linux. Therefore a
client program is required that can handle capturing the traffic you
wish to send through the OpenVPN tunnel, and encrypting it and
passing it to the OpenVPN server
<https://openvpn.net/vpn-server-resources/connecting-to-access-server-wi
th-android/>
The OpenVPN protocol is not one that is built into the Android
operating system for Android devices. Therefore a client program
is required that can handle capturing the traffic you wish to send
through the OpenVPN tunnel, and encrypting it and passing it to the
OpenVPN server.
<https://openvpn.net/vpn-server-resources/connecting-to-access-server-wi
th-windows/>
The OpenVPN protocol is not one that is built into Windows. Therefore
a client program is required that can handle capturing the traffic
you wish to send through the OpenVPN tunnel, and encrypting it and
passing it to the OpenVPN server.
also, openvpn is not the fastest protocol (as it turns out, it's one of
the slowest), but you're too pig-headed to look at other options and
insist on openvpn.
here's a tip:
if you're going to bash something, at least find something worthy of
bashing. claiming that the mac can't do something that windows, android
and linux can't also do without third party tools only makes you look
like a bigger idiot than you already are.
> Each time I try to do something simple on iOS, like graph WiFi signal
> strength over time for all access points, I find out there are no apps on
> the iTunes app store that allow you to do that.
more accurately, every time you try to do something simple, you turn it
into a colossal clusterfuck and fall flat.
i recall you trying to download an app that had *both* an ios *and*
android client with direct links to the app store and play store on the
author's web site, which should have been a very simple task.
somehow, you managed to fuck it up and downloaded the *wrong* ios app
(how you missed the direct link without needing to search is baffling),
then claimed that ios couldn't do whatever the app did based on having
used the wrong app.
you were even told it was the wrong app and how to find the correct
one, but you continued to rant anyway.
actually, you just think you do, but even if that was the case, so what?
no device does everything. pick the best tool for the job.
every day i do things on ios that are impossible on android.
whop de do.
> As for the "number" of devices, all I need is "one", but you know I own
> three iPads, and that my kids & grandkids (mostly the girls) have iPhones.
and whatever your kids and grandkids might own does not in any way
count to *your* total.
however, the real problem is you don't know how to use any of them to
their fullest, and that goes for android devices too.
> You know I give out phones and iPods as stocking stuffers (more often
> Android though lately, simply because of its inherent fantastic value).
>
> You don't remember my screenshot editing questions for the Mac, for
> example?
shots using entirely native apps (no third party anything), including
adding curvy arrows and various other markups you said you wanted, with
precise step by step instructions how to do it, and despite all of
that, you continued to rant that it could not be done, just as you
always do.
> Or the test that proved the Mac was didn't natively support the
> OpenVPN protocol?
party clients, just as it is on windows, linux and android, which also
require a third party client.
<https://openvpn.net/vpn-server-resources/connecting-to-access-server-wi
th-linux/>
The OpenVPN protocol is not one that is built into Linux. Therefore a
client program is required that can handle capturing the traffic you
wish to send through the OpenVPN tunnel, and encrypting it and
passing it to the OpenVPN server
<https://openvpn.net/vpn-server-resources/connecting-to-access-server-wi
th-android/>
The OpenVPN protocol is not one that is built into the Android
operating system for Android devices. Therefore a client program
is required that can handle capturing the traffic you wish to send
through the OpenVPN tunnel, and encrypting it and passing it to the
OpenVPN server.
<https://openvpn.net/vpn-server-resources/connecting-to-access-server-wi
th-windows/>
The OpenVPN protocol is not one that is built into Windows. Therefore
a client program is required that can handle capturing the traffic
you wish to send through the OpenVPN tunnel, and encrypting it and
passing it to the OpenVPN server.
also, openvpn is not the fastest protocol (as it turns out, it's one of
the slowest), but you're too pig-headed to look at other options and
insist on openvpn.
here's a tip:
if you're going to bash something, at least find something worthy of
bashing. claiming that the mac can't do something that windows, android
and linux can't also do without third party tools only makes you look
like a bigger idiot than you already are.
> Each time I try to do something simple on iOS, like graph WiFi signal
> strength over time for all access points, I find out there are no apps on
> the iTunes app store that allow you to do that.
into a colossal clusterfuck and fall flat.
i recall you trying to download an app that had *both* an ios *and*
android client with direct links to the app store and play store on the
author's web site, which should have been a very simple task.
somehow, you managed to fuck it up and downloaded the *wrong* ios app
(how you missed the direct link without needing to search is baffling),
then claimed that ios couldn't do whatever the app did based on having
used the wrong app.
you were even told it was the wrong app and how to find the correct
one, but you continued to rant anyway.
nospam
Nov 15, 2019, 6:53:23 PM11/15/19
to
In article <qqnbd0$1ui$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
yes he can, and has, on many occasions.
so have countless others.
yes he can, and has, on many occasions.
so have countless others.
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 6:56:59 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 23:14:53 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>> That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit.
>
> So Arlen knows Arlen is shit.
*This post is for Barry Margolin, and any _adult_ that is on this ng.*
>> That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit.
>
> So Arlen knows Arlen is shit.
While Lewis can't be expected to own adult cognitive skills, I'm going to
presume, a priori, that Barry Margolin was educated in the Boston area, as
was I, where that alone may indicate that Barry might very well own adult
cognitive skills.
This post is a chance for Barry Margolin to _exercise_ those adult skills.
Hence, this post is mostly for adults - where I assume Barry is one.
a. Notice I own _plenty_ of Apple products & plenty of Android products
b. Note I proved (beyond doubt) what Android does that iOS can't do
(I didn't even get started - those screenshots just scrape the surface.)
Hence, I ask Barry Margolin, whom I presume owns adult cognitive skills:
Q: Barry: Did I prove there was plenty on Android that isn't on iOS?
So maybe, just maybe, the Apologists "dont' know shit", and hence
o Maybe, just maybe, everything "Arlen" says, is a factual certainty.
Assuming Barry agrees, then he must realize that I speak the truth about
iOS, with respect to the lack of fundamental modern app functionality that
is on Android. Period. (We can argue about degrees - but those apps simply
do not exist on the Apple App Store and they exist in droves for Android).
Moving forward with facts, and still assuming Barry Margolin owns adult
cognitive skills, Barry implied that I'm down on Apple, per se, when he
claimed:
"That doesn't matter to Arlen -- if they're not perfect, they're shit."
Where did Barry Margolin come up with that childish idea?
Hmmmm... I wonder if Barry Margolin is aware that I'm on the Android
newsgroup, where I'm pretty damn hard on Google's lack of privacy?
I suspect not, since all apologists are immune to facts; but given that I
suspect Barry Margolin might actually be an adult, then I will _apprise_
him of the fact.
For example, earlier today, in this thread, I clearly said I would NOT
install ANY Google product (e.g., Google Keep).
o What do YOU use for your todo/tobuy lists and why do you like that app?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/GVnN_bnHzGk/L4WYx8T2AQAJ>
[As an aside, any adult reader should read that thread and be amazed at how
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/GVnN_bnHzGk/L4WYx8T2AQAJ>
actual adults converse on a Usenet newsgroup, when apologists aren't there
- trust me - you'll be shocked - almost everyone posts as adults!]
Now, Barry Margolin ... if you are an adult, do you comprehend (using those
adult cognitive skills) that I'm as hard on Google as I am on Apple for
privacy?
Probably not.
So let's prove even more so that I'm as hard on Google as I am on Apple,
even as the adults on comp.mobile.android don't say what you apologists say
which is that I'm only hard on Google. (You apologists only have 7
responses to fact, one of them is to blame the bearer of the fact.)
Look at this, Barry Margolin, and comprehend it using adult cognition:
o Is there any free FUNCTIONALITY that you need to do on Android, that you can't do WITHOUT a Google Account?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/xzaii4eUY_E/WeY-r7_OAAAJ>
Hmmm... Barry Margolin ... does that appear to be a factual question that,
if posted here on the child-like Apple newsgroups, would garner me a claim
of "lying"?
Let's move on, where I won't even cull the Windows newsgroups where I'm
"down on Microsoft" (according to Barry Margolin - simply because I speak
facts about Windows), or the Linux newsgroups where Barry Margolin would
claim I'm "down on Canonical", simply because I found the default GUI to be
atrocious.
Nope. This isn't the first time Barry Margolin proved to be completely
immune to facts, which, if he were back in Boston at school, would
instantly earn him an "F" for failing to comprehend even the most basic of
facts.
Let's look here, at this Android thread where I speak facts:
o 25 Million Android Phones Infected With Malware That ĄHides In WhatsAppĒ
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/f30gBr1XB70/aK2loX8RCwAJ>
Hmmmm... According to the odd "logic" of Barry Margolin, I must be down on
Google simply because I _reported_ a valid fact about Google that Barry
Margolin might not happen to like (because it conflicts with marketing).
Barry Margolin, if he owns adult cognitive skills, may wish to skim this:
o Google keeps a log of all digital receipts emailed to your GMail account.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/7qqQcrg7K3I/9rER7zUmAQAJ>
where you'll note that affects EVERYONE (not just Android users).
And yet, Barry Margolin will remain immune to facts, it seems, if he reads
this and then doesn't say to himself, "hmmm... this guy reports the facts".
But there's more (way more), where, for example, Barry should look here:
o GSF independent free, ad free, email programs for Android on Google Play
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/fQPHDg9VutI/8QhMreVoCwAJ>
Would you look at that?
Here is this guy, Arlen, who is only down on Apple (supposedly), who is
trying to find apps on the Google Play store that do NOT use the Google
Services Framework.
Maybe this guy Arlen does speak facts about any operating system?
Naaah. The Apple Apologists can't fathom anyone who doesn't drink the Jim
Jones' punch that Apple marketing feeds you apologists to believe.
Oh no! Here's _another_ Android thread Arlen posted on privacy!
o What are the common settings to change on an Android 7.0 Nougat phone for privacy?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/b9Ck9JSyKXY/It7Yavl5AgAJ>
For any adults on this newsgroup (if any exist), the point is clear, even
as apologists like Barry Margolin are incapable of comprehending facts at
the level of an adult, that I care about privacy on all platforms (don't
even get me started on disabling Cortana).
Here's another post, outlining advertiser free Google free apps:
o Android Free, GSF free, ad free APK app backup & restore programs for already installed apps (including system apps)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/-Y97dk5-uI0/tBwGuB8dBwAJ>
Now Barry Margolin likely doesn't have the adult cognitive skills to
comprehend this next reference, but boy oh boy, would he have a fit if I
tried to ask how to replace the Apple Mail app, would he not?
o Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google "mail" account - so all benefit from our efforts
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/YUdwh4QgoRQ/QAMpsDO8AQAJ>
o GSF independent free, ad free, email programs for Android on Google Play
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/fQPHDg9VutI/8QhMreVoCwAJ>
This list of facts about Android can go on and on for a long time, where it
will always be noted the apologists can rarely provide even a _single_ fact
for the basis of their belief system - while I provide plenty for mine.
For example, here's a fact that I'm "down" on the cloud, even Google's!
o Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the Internet (if so, for what gain?)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/mBIZ-8jGdmk/aLDJkSJQAAAJ>
Notice the fact is I don't drink the JimJones' punch from ANY advertiser.
o Not Apple
o Not Google
o Not Microsoft or Canonical
There are so many of these threads, that I hope Barry Margolin has the
adult cognitive skills to comprehend I speak facts about all platforms:
o AndroidPolice says the latest Google Play Services 18.3.82 has a battery drain problem
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/GlVJVAPIzjA/FUZphyUKDAAJ>
o Google Play Store deprecated "Sun Pro Beauty Camera" and "Funny Sweet Beauty Selfie Camera" - remove them
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/gVBmu-ISiWo/vaqymn51BgAJ>
o Kaspersky Labs reports "CamScanner" contains a trojan (100 million downloads, both iOS & Android)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/G63rRAIOGjs/Thgu1vk7AAAJ>
o A nice GSF-independent free ad free dual-SIM cellular & wifi signal debugger on Android
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/abT15_n4dpI/LpHYGDNyDAAJ>
In summary, the adults on this newsgroup who own basic adult cognitive
skills will have "heard" from the apologists that I am down only on Apple,
but what is really happening is the apologists have no adult response to
facts.
I speak facts about _all_ operating systems that I own.
o Only on the Apple newsgroups, are those facts considered anathema.
It seems the Apologists only have 7 basic responses to facts
o None of which are an adult response to facts.
One of their basic responses to facts is to claim I hate Apple, when the
fact is that own plenty of Apple products where what they see as "hating"
Apple is simply me stating facts about Apple they weren't fed by Marketing.
--
As always, this post is designed to be enshrined in the permanent record,
to show, in this case, that the apologists have no adult response to facts.
They, like Barry Margolin, form their belief system based on exactly 0
facts, and then, when you provide facts which easily DESTROY their belief
systems, they turn into instant children (because they have no adult
response to facts).
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 7:07:09 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:53:20 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> Alan Baker can't find a single instance of me "lying",
>
> yes he can, and has, on many occasions.
>
> so have countless others.
Why is it nospam, that you never provide cites?
>> Alan Baker can't find a single instance of me "lying",
>
> yes he can, and has, on many occasions.
>
> so have countless others.
o Is it because you have absolutely no response to facts?
Are you going to claim that I casually roughly estimated my helpful posts
in the thousands when many thousands were done at work, and many more after
I retired?
What _game_ are you going to play now, nospam?
--
The apologists like nospam always prove to own no adult response to facts.
nospam
Nov 15, 2019, 7:27:52 PM11/15/19
to
In article <qqne0a$7ug$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
posts.
> Notice the fact is I don't drink the JimJones' punch from ANY advertiser.
that's too bad. try it sometime.
<_arlen....@halder.edu> wrote:
> Nope. This isn't the first time Barry Margolin proved to be completely
> immune to facts, which, if he were back in Boston at school, would
> instantly earn him an "F" for failing to comprehend even the most basic of
> facts.
looks like it's *you* who failed to comprehend what he writes in his
> Nope. This isn't the first time Barry Margolin proved to be completely
> immune to facts, which, if he were back in Boston at school, would
> instantly earn him an "F" for failing to comprehend even the most basic of
> facts.
posts.
> Notice the fact is I don't drink the JimJones' punch from ANY advertiser.
nospam
Nov 15, 2019, 7:27:54 PM11/15/19
to
In article <qqnejc$9pr$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
further about what he has found.
> o Is it because you have absolutely no response to facts?
>
> Are you going to claim that I casually roughly estimated my helpful posts
> in the thousands when many thousands were done at work, and many more after
> I retired?
it used to be more than 10,000, a number that was quickly debunked.
now it's down to mere thousands. while that's a bit more realistic,
it's still grossly inflated.
i'd call that (very) roughly estimated, and not at all accurate either.
oh, and didn't you have real work to do with that 'education' of yours,
rather than post on company time?? or is that why you were fired?
> What _game_ are you going to play now, nospam?
haven't decided yet, but at least there is a much wider and far higher
quality selection of games on ios than android.
<_arlen....@halder.edu> wrote:
>
> >> Alan Baker can't find a single instance of me "lying",
> >
> > yes he can, and has, on many occasions.
> >
> > so have countless others.
>
> Why is it nospam, that you never provide cites?
oh, i do. review this very thread, and perhaps alan baker will comment
>
> >> Alan Baker can't find a single instance of me "lying",
> >
> > yes he can, and has, on many occasions.
> >
> > so have countless others.
>
> Why is it nospam, that you never provide cites?
further about what he has found.
> o Is it because you have absolutely no response to facts?
>
> Are you going to claim that I casually roughly estimated my helpful posts
> in the thousands when many thousands were done at work, and many more after
> I retired?
now it's down to mere thousands. while that's a bit more realistic,
it's still grossly inflated.
i'd call that (very) roughly estimated, and not at all accurate either.
oh, and didn't you have real work to do with that 'education' of yours,
rather than post on company time?? or is that why you were fired?
> What _game_ are you going to play now, nospam?
quality selection of games on ios than android.
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 7:36:12 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:27:48 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> Notice the fact is I don't drink the JimJones' punch from ANY advertiser.
>
> that's too bad. try it sometime.
*Why is it, nospam, that all your responses are that of a child?*
>> Notice the fact is I don't drink the JimJones' punch from ANY advertiser.
>
> that's too bad. try it sometime.
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 7:36:13 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:27:51 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> Why is it nospam, that you never provide cites?
>
> oh, i do. review this very thread, and perhaps alan baker will comment
> further about what he has found.
Why is it nospam, that I provide cites & you almost never do?
>> Why is it nospam, that you never provide cites?
>
> oh, i do. review this very thread, and perhaps alan baker will comment
> further about what he has found.
o Is it simply because apologists have no _adult_ response to facts?
Arlen Holder
Nov 15, 2019, 8:36:39 PM11/15/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:53:17 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> o *Every day I do things on Android that are _impossible_ in iOS.*
> actually, you just think you do, but even if that was the case, so what?
Hi nospam,
>> o *Every day I do things on Android that are _impossible_ in iOS.*
> actually, you just think you do, but even if that was the case, so what?
As you're well aware, I own plenty of iOS & Android devices.
o Where I actually _know_ the functionality difference between them.
For example, this is a side-by-side of my iOS/Android homescreens:
<https://i.postimg.cc/dVHS2CZY/applauncher01.jpg>
Do you even realize how many modern capabilities are shown on the Android
side of that single screenshot, which are _impossible_ on the iOS launcher?
> no device does everything. pick the best tool for the job.
For example, almost every day I open my "system" folder on Android, where
it has so much app functionality that isn't on iOS that it would make a
lesser man's head spin.
Do you have this modern "App Drawer" functionality on iOS, nospam?
<https://i.postimg.cc/qRjtqpZj/appdrawer01.jpg>
Do you have this modern ability on iOS, all by its itty bitty self, to list
the installed apps (system or otherwise) to a huge variety of formats
(e.g., text. html, csv, XML, whatever), sent to any number of programs on
the phone, or, most often, directly to an editable text file (containing
the full URLs to those apps, if desired) on the phone?
<https://i.postimg.cc/4xyTRszX/appdrawer02.jpg>
Do you have this modern ability on iOS to extract any app at any time and
then re-use that app on almost any other device on the planet, even if that
app is no longer in the official app store and even if you never archived
it prior?
<https://i.postimg.cc/PJb8Hmnv/appdrawer03.jpg>
Do you have this modern capability of choosing _any_ app store you want?
<https://i.postimg.cc/c4qV5fJM/appdrawer04.jpg>
This is just a single-folder off-the-cuff ad hoc sampling of the types of
modern functionality on Android we use every day which is _impossible_ on
iOS, despite the fact you incessantly brazenly fabricate iOS functionality
which you know doesn't exist.
HINT: You know as I know, that iOS has _none_ of those modern capabilities,
and yes, I realize you'll brazen fabricate them in your next post, but
you'll always fail this simplest of the simplest test of an apologist
bullshitter, nospam, since you can _never_ point to the simple app url:
o Name just one
> every day i do things on ios that are impossible on android.
> whop de do.
That is, name a single FUNCTIONALITY (not a brand name, not a trade name,
not something imprisoned inside the walled garden that I wouldn't want to
do anyway, not something that requires a second computer, etc.)...
Let's see if you can back up your claims, even once, nospam.
o Name a single free functionality that I would care about
o That you do on iOS... that I can't do on Android?
Remember, I have both iOS and Android devices to test this on.
o Name just one
If it's not free, then I might not test it, but I can look it up.
o Name just one
If it's not something that I would want to do, that's OK too.
o Name just one
>> As for the "number" of devices, all I need is "one", but you know I own
>> three iPads, and that my kids & grandkids (mostly the girls) have iPhones.
>
> three is not 'a lot'.
Again, you ignore facts (e.g., iPods), but nonetheless, you ignored the
fact that I said one is enough to test your bullshit claims nospam.
o Why do Apple Apologists constantly brazenly fabricate what turns out to be wholly imaginary Apple functionality?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/SZfblCIRc9s/BNYMDpdXEgAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/SZfblCIRc9s/BNYMDpdXEgAJ>
> and whatever your kids and grandkids might own does not in any way
> count to *your* total.
Play your silly games, nospam.
> count to *your* total.
Remember, you're the one constantly sending people on fruitless wild-goose
chases which, since I have iOS devices, I know are doomed to failure simply
because you brazenly fabricated the functionality (ask Wade Garrett or Ant
if they were successful following your wholly imaginary functionality which
David Empson clearly stated simply did not exist):
o Why do the Apple Apologists constantly send poor unsuspecting iOS users on wild goose chases?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ynh0PE9lK_I/QOiGP4_SFQAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ynh0PE9lK_I/QOiGP4_SFQAJ>
> however, the real problem is you don't know how to use any of them to
> their fullest, and that goes for android devices too.
Play your silly games, nospam.
> their fullest, and that goes for android devices too.
Let's give your imaginary belief system a simple adult test, shall we?
Name just one app functionality (i.e., an actual app on the app store) that
you claim exists on iOS - that you claim that I said didn't exist on iOS?
o Name just one
Likewise, we'll give you the same simple test of all bullshitters like you,
nospam, who make claims they can never back up with even a single fact,
about Android, shall we?
Name just one app functionality (i.e., an actual app on the play store)
that you claim exists on Android - that you claim that I said didn't exist
on Android?
o Name just one
Note: The reason you will fail this simplest test of imaginary belief
systems, nospam, is that your brain forms a belief system based on exactly
0 facts, much like young children do with respect to the Tooth Fairy.
>> You know I give out phones and iPods as stocking stuffers (more often
>> Android though lately, simply because of its inherent fantastic value).
>
> gifts also do not count as ownership.
o When I need to test iPhones, for example, versus iPads, I have a supply.
You can only play games with silly semantics.
o Like all child-like apologists, you have no adult response to facts.
>> You don't remember my screenshot editing questions for the Mac, for
>> example?
>
> i remember quite well that you were told exactly how to edit screen
> shots using entirely native apps (no third party anything), including
> adding curvy arrows and various other markups you said you wanted, with
> precise step by step instructions how to do it, and despite all of
> that, you continued to rant that it could not be done, just as you
> always do.
Nonetheless, if you know _anything_ about how Paint.NET freeware does
curved arrows, you will cry when you have to use the Mac native apps to
perform the same task.
Even the best Linux apps pale in comparison.
>> Or the test that proved the Mac was didn't natively support the
>> OpenVPN protocol?
>
> open vpn is fully supported on mac and ios using any of several third
> party clients, just as it is on windows, linux and android, which also
> require a third party client.
o Either you're too stupid to note the word "native", or,
o You yet again ignore facts you don't like.
But the fact you don't like the fact doesn't change that fact.
The fact is that no common consumer platform natively supports the OpenVPN
protocol - despite the fact you claimed in the past numerous times (AIR)
that the Mac does (but it's no better than all the rest).
> The OpenVPN protocol is not one that is built into ...
What's your point?
o It's not natively built into the Mac, nor Windows, nor Linux.
o It's not built into iOS nor Android either.
You're the one claiming that the Mac is somehow (magically?) better (AIR).
The fact is that the Mac does NOT natively support modern VPN protocols.
o None of the common consumer platforms do.
Play your silly games, nospam.
o Play
>> Each time I try to do something simple on iOS, like graph WiFi signal
>> strength over time for all access points, I find out there are no apps on
>> the iTunes app store that allow you to do that.
>
> more accurately, every time you try to do something simple, you turn it
> into a colossal clusterfuck and fall flat.
You always claim that what I do with iOS is a clusterfuck when the reality
is that I can do with iOS what almost nobody on this group can do in many
ways.
For one common example that I do every single day, how do you instantly
turn any iOS device in the entire world into a READ/WRITE USB stick?
I can do it easily.
o In fact, I do it almost every day (copying movies over USB).
If you think you can do what I do with iOS, name how you do that!
--
What you're seeing here is that apologists have no adult response to fact.
nospam
Nov 15, 2019, 8:59:59 PM11/15/19
to
In article <qqnjr5$lit$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
> Nonetheless, if you know _anything_ about how Paint.NET freeware does
> curved arrows, you will cry when you have to use the Mac native apps to
> perform the same task.
yep, because the apps available on macos blow away paint.net freeware.
>
> > The OpenVPN protocol is not one that is built into ...
>
> What's your point?
> o It's not natively built into the Mac, nor Windows, nor Linux.
> o It's not built into iOS nor Android either.
you're trying to make it into a shortcoming of the mac, yet it's
exactly the same as other platforms.
>
> >> Each time I try to do something simple on iOS, like graph WiFi signal
> >> strength over time for all access points, I find out there are no apps on
> >> the iTunes app store that allow you to do that.
> >
> > more accurately, every time you try to do something simple, you turn it
> > into a colossal clusterfuck and fall flat.
>
> Play your silly games nospam.
>
> You always claim that what I do with iOS is a clusterfuck when the reality
> is that I can do with iOS what almost nobody on this group can do in many
> ways.
>
> For one common example that I do every single day, how do you instantly
> turn any iOS device in the entire world into a READ/WRITE USB stick?
>
> I can do it easily.
> o In fact, I do it almost every day (copying movies over USB).
>
> If you think you can do what I do with iOS, name how you do that!
your method of copying movies (or whatever else) is a helluva lot more
effort and time consuming than other available options.
it's all been explained to you before but you refuse to acknowledge it.
<_arlen....@halder.edu> wrote:
>
> > no device does everything. pick the best tool for the job.
>
> And yet, on iOS, there are exactly 0 tools that do the job!
false, and you were told specifics.
>
> > no device does everything. pick the best tool for the job.
>
> And yet, on iOS, there are exactly 0 tools that do the job!
> Nonetheless, if you know _anything_ about how Paint.NET freeware does
> curved arrows, you will cry when you have to use the Mac native apps to
> perform the same task.
>
> > The OpenVPN protocol is not one that is built into ...
>
> What's your point?
> o It's not natively built into the Mac, nor Windows, nor Linux.
> o It's not built into iOS nor Android either.
exactly the same as other platforms.
>
> >> Each time I try to do something simple on iOS, like graph WiFi signal
> >> strength over time for all access points, I find out there are no apps on
> >> the iTunes app store that allow you to do that.
> >
> > more accurately, every time you try to do something simple, you turn it
> > into a colossal clusterfuck and fall flat.
>
> Play your silly games nospam.
>
> You always claim that what I do with iOS is a clusterfuck when the reality
> is that I can do with iOS what almost nobody on this group can do in many
> ways.
>
> For one common example that I do every single day, how do you instantly
> turn any iOS device in the entire world into a READ/WRITE USB stick?
>
> I can do it easily.
> o In fact, I do it almost every day (copying movies over USB).
>
> If you think you can do what I do with iOS, name how you do that!
effort and time consuming than other available options.
it's all been explained to you before but you refuse to acknowledge it.
Arlen Holder
Nov 16, 2019, 2:54:09 AM11/16/19
to
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 20:59:58 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> And yet, on iOS, there are exactly 0 tools that do the job!
>
> false, and you were told specifics.
As always, you apologists have no _adult_ response to facts.
>> And yet, on iOS, there are exactly 0 tools that do the job!
>
> false, and you were told specifics.
You incessantly brazenly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality.
It's one of the 7 child-like responses you always give, nospam.
Joerg Lorenz
Nov 16, 2019, 12:58:29 PM11/16/19
to
Am 16.11.19 um 00:04 schrieb Alan Browne:
> On 2019-11-14 17:14, Barry Margolin wrote:
>
>> They tout the security of the software. But when you give your password
>> to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
>> access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
>> something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
>> bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
>> anything critical).
>
> Not sure why you're replying earnestly to a proven troll with, er,
> issues, but good luck anyway.
+1
>
>> They tout the security of the software. But when you give your password
>> to a technician so they can fix the device, they have all the same
>> access that the device owner does, so all bets are off. You have to sign
>> something acknowledging this when you hand over the device at the genius
>> bar (you also acknowledge that data could be lost, and you've backed up
>> anything critical).
>
> Not sure why you're replying earnestly to a proven troll with, er,
> issues, but good luck anyway.
Hawk
Nov 16, 2019, 5:31:20 PM11/16/19
to
This is another obvious attempt at your never ending trolling method to
bait someone into an argument over Apple products and your hatred for
them. You seriously need psychiatric evaluation.
Why anyone even responds to you is beyond reprehensible.
bait someone into an argument over Apple products and your hatred for
them. You seriously need psychiatric evaluation.
Why anyone even responds to you is beyond reprehensible.
B...@onramp.net
Nov 16, 2019, 7:05:42 PM11/16/19
to
and correct.
0 new messages