Activist Refused Lawyer Visit
Peter Terpstra
2009-12-08
A Chinese activist representing tainted-milk victims is barred from seeing his
lawyer.
HONG KONG—A spokesman for victims in last year's tainted milk scandal detained
for weeks has yet to be allowed to speak with his attorney, according to his
wife and a colleague.
Zhao Lianhai, the organizer of the victims’ group Coalition of Families of
Children with Kidney Stones, was detained by police for “provocative conduct”
in the Daxing district of China’s capital, Beijing, three weeks ago.
The activist had traveled to the capital with 41 other parents in the hope of
attracting the attention of authorities during U.S. President Barack Obama's
state visit.
Zhao’s wife Li Xuemei said her husband’s lawyer, Peng Jian, was permitted to
meet with him only once immediately following his arrest.
“There is no information from the police. It has been three weeks now, and
Peng Jian went there many times but couldn’t see the police officer in charge
of my husband’s case,” she said.
Following Zhao’s detention, Jiang Yalin has emerged as a spokesperson for
victims of contaminated baby formula. She said the police officer has been
hiding from Zhao’s lawyer.
“No one can locate him now. Each time Zhao’s lawyer Peng Jian requests a
meeting, the police say they can’t find him,” Jiang said.
Many challenges
Peng Jian, who answered his phone from the Public Security Bureau in Daxing,
described the difficulties he has faced in trying to meet with Zhao.
“The officer in charge of Zhao Lianhai’s case is surnamed Wang. I tried many
times but couldn’t reach him. His office refused to give me his cell phone
number either,” Peng said.
“The police haven’t provided any new information on the case, and Zhao’s
detention is still based on ‘provocative conduct,’” the lawyer added.
Attempts to reach the Daxing Public Security Bureau by telephone went
unanswered.
Trial postponed
Separately, a second trial involving a lawsuit over tainted milk powder
originally scheduled for Dec. 9 in Beijing municipality’s Shunyi county has
been postponed by the court.
Peng Jian said one of the defendants had sought the delay.
“One of the defendants is managing the Sanlu Co. bankruptcy,” Peng said,
referring to the now-defunct dairy producer was at the heart of the tainted
baby milk scandal, which killed at least six children and sickened hundreds of
thousands.
“It applied for a medical examination proving the connection between melamine
and kidney stones,” he said.
Melamine is the toxic industrial compound that was added to baby formula in a
bid to falsely raise the apparent protein content.
The first trial was conducted about two weeks ago in a court in Shijiazhuang,
capital of neighboring Hebei province, during which the court announced the
completion of bankruptcy procedures for Sanlu.
The result of that trial means there will be no compensation for milk victims,
regardless of the outcome of the current trial.
But Beijing-based activist Xu Zhiyong, who has been working with the families
of milk victims, said he hopes to add other defendants to the trial for their
roles in the scandal.
“We want to add Shijiazhuang’s Bureau of Livestock Farming Management to the
list of defendants for the tainted milk trial because they were responsible
for managing the milk supplied to Sanlu. We want money to help those kids who
are still in miserable condition,” Xu said.
Powder salesmen executed
Authorities in Shijiazhuang executed milk powder salesmen Zhang Yujun and Geng
Jinping on Nov. 25 for their role in the scandal.
Zhang was found guilty by the city's Intermediate People's Court of selling
more than 600 tons of protein powder laced with melamine.
Geng was convicted of selling more than 900 tons of tainted milk to the Sanlu
Group.
The executions came after the life sentence handed down by the same court to
former Sanlu chairman Tian Wenhua in January amid a series of sentences handed
out to 21 Sanlu executives and suppliers.
Tian's relatively lenient sentence has drawn ire from many of the families of
children made sick by Sanlu powder, who have said they wished she had also
received the death sentence.
In January this year, China's Ministry of Health announced that approximately
296,000 children in China had been affected by tainted milk powder.
The government has acknowledged six related deaths.
China has tightened regulations and increased inspections on producers and
exporters in cooperation with U.S. officials, who have noted a drop in the
number of product recalls on Chinese exports.
But it is a tough task to police the country's 450,000 registered food
production and processing enterprises, of which about 350,000 employ fewer
than 10 people.
Original reporting by Qiao Long for RFA’s Mandarin service. Mandarin service
director: Jennifer Chou. Translated by Ping Chen. Written for the Web in
English by Joshua Lipes. Edited by Sarah Jackson-Han.
Copyright © 1998-2009 Radio Free Asia. All rights reserved.
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/milkactivist-12082009155251.html
--
Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:
http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china
rst0wxyz
> Activist Refused Lawyer Visit
Good. Let him rot in jail.
Catherine Jefferson
> On Dec 13, 3:41 pm, Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dnsdojo.org> wrote:
>> Activist Refused Lawyer Visit
>
> Good. Let him rot in jail.
So you disapprove of activists who are trying to get compensation for
parents whose children were killed by tainted milk? Or is it just
unacceptable to you that any Chinese citizen would dare treat his or her
government as the servant of the people rather than their master?
In either case, you're likely to fool some non-Chinese into thinking you
represent most Chinese. The result of that, of course, would be to
encourage them to think that Chinese are unworthy of their respect. I
don't think most Chinese would appreciate you doing this. I'm not
Chinese, but *I* find your language abusive and obnoxious. Fortunately
I know enough Chinese people not to mistake your attitudes and beliefs
for theirs.
I hope the same is true of the other people reading this newsgroup. :/
--
Catherine Jefferson <ar...@devsite.org>
Personal Home Page * <http://www.devsite.org/>
The SpamBouncer * <http://www.spambouncer.org/>
report2009
seriously. Even now, Rusty still insisted the Holocaust never
happened. That’s why netters said he is CRAZY.
On Dec 13, 10:52 pm, Catherine Jefferson <spamt...@spambouncer.org>
wrote:
Peter Terpstra
> I hope the same is true of the other people reading this newsgroup. :/
Well not for me but many people here are Communist hard liners and some of
them work for the 50 cent army (CCP).
Thanks for your honest reaction!!!
Kind Regards,
Peter
Peter Terpstra
> Fortunately I know enough Chinese people not to mistake your attitudes and
> beliefs for theirs.
I also know many Chines who do not think that CCP way, but believe in justice
and democracy.
Kind Regards,
Peter
abia...@my-deja.com
I also believe government officials are our servant not our master.
As for democracy, I don’t think right now China is ready for *full*
democracy. Democracy requires good quality of citizens (so they know
how to choose good leader) and a wealthy society (so voters will sell
ballots for a couple of soaps). At present, China needs to focus on
economy so that once hundreds of millions of middle class emerges in
China, they will demand political reform as we did in Taiwan in the
80s and 90s.
On Dec 14, 8:24 am, Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dnsdojo.org> wrote:
> Catherine Jefferson in <ha6dnZFLioPqK7jWnZ2dnUVZ_gudn...@supernews.com> :
Anti-DabianchenVirus
Proof that you are a Philippino girl:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe?hl=en
Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2?hl=en
Proof that you can't write Chinese:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
Proof that you are a pathological liar:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511?hl=en
Proof that you are childish and repetitive:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d?hl=en
Proof that you make persitent childish claims:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876?hl=en
On Dec 14, 7:56 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
> > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
report2009
Dabian eater) uses stolen Filipino girl’s photos to frame Chinese guy
abianchen. You are a thief also a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2 years
since abianchen exposed your racial act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life? Get
over it!
Abianchen, a “Filipino whore Meichi”? No kidding! Hey, has anyone
believed you Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies?
NOBODY!
Hey Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you said (lied actually) that you
live in Taipei and graduated from Chinese Culture University, Taipei,
but how come you don't understand the following Chinese 打油詩:
賈潘叔, 真蜈蜙, 甘霖老木賽羚羊! 聽不懂吧?! 好爽! 哈哈!
Oops, psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater) is going to repost his stolen
Filipino girl's photo to "prove" (frame actually) Chinese guy
abianchen is "Filipino whore Meichi" for revenge. Abianchen has become
the most important person in his life. Psycho Xangdi even calls
himself “Virus for Dabian”. Can you believe it?!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), 你不會中文, 对中國又一無所知, 所以只能騷擾網友, 真是個可憐蟲!
On Dec 14, 10:14 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> No, you're not!
>
> Proof that you are a Philippino girl:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe...
>
> Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...
>
> Proof that you can't write Chinese:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
>
> Proof that you are a pathological liar:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>
> Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511...
>
> Proof that you are childish and repetitive:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d...
>
> Proof that you make persitent childish claims:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876...
>
> On Dec 14, 7:56 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am Chinese from Taiwan. I believe free speech, free press, justice,
> > I also believe government officials are our servant not our master.
>
> > As for democracy, I don’t think right now China is ready for *full*
> > democracy. Democracy requires good quality of citizens (so they know
> > how to choose good leader) and a wealthy society (so voters will sell
> > ballots for a couple of soaps). At present, China needs to focus on
> > economy so that once hundreds of millions of middle class emerges in
> > China, they will demand political reform as we did in Taiwan in the
> > 80s and 90s.
>
> > On Dec 14, 8:24 am, Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dnsdojo.org> wrote:
>
> > > Catherine Jefferson in <ha6dnZFLioPqK7jWnZ2dnUVZ_gudn...@supernews.com> :
>
> > > > Fortunately I know enough Chinese people not to mistake your attitudes and
> > > > beliefs for theirs.
>
> > > I also know many Chines who do not think that CCP way, but believe in justice
> > > and democracy.
>
> > > Kind Regards,
>
> > > Peter
>
> > > --
> > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
used "stolen Filipino girl’s photos to frame Chinese guy abianchen".
"Netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill Moore etc" never once indicated
that they thought "abianchen came from Taiwan". Not once did you ever
produced a post indicating that any of them said this - these are
merely the postulations you have been making year in, year out, trying
to pin the blame on others for the lies you post.
Proof that you are a Philippino girl:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe?hl=en
Proof that you are an *ugly* Philippino girl:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/
Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2?hl=en
Proof that you can't write Chinese:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511?hl=en
Proof that you are childish and repetitive:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d?hl=en
Proof that you make persitent childish claims:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876?hl=en
Proof that you can't back up your accusations:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3?hl=en
Proof that you are a pathological liar:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
> > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequoted text -
report2009
On Dec 14, 10:31 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> "LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters" never ever wrote that I, Wusong,
> used "stolen Filipino girl’s photos to frame Chinese guy abianchen".
> "Netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill Moore etc" never once indicated
> that they thought "abianchen came from Taiwan". Not once did you ever
> produced a post indicating that any of them said this - these are
> merely the postulations you have been making year in, year out, trying
> to pin the blame on others for the lies you post.
>
> Proof that you are a Philippino girl:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe...
>
> Proof that you are an *ugly* Philippino girl:http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/
>
> Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...
>
> Proof that you can't write Chinese:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
>
> Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511...
>
> Proof that you are childish and repetitive:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d...
>
> Proof that you make persitent childish claims:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876...
>
> Proof that you can't back up your accusations:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3...
> > > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequotedtext -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
> > > > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequote...-
report2009
Anti-DabianchenVirus
report2009
Anti-DabianchenVirus
> ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
report2009
Catherine Jefferson
> You should not take this mentally ill Rusty Old Fool (rst0wxyz)
> seriously. Even now, Rusty still insisted the Holocaust never
This was *Rusty*? I didn't know he was still around these days. I
guess that's what happens when your killfiles get too sophisticated. :-)
Thanks for the heads-up; I didn't *think* that the Chinese government
(however evil at times) was stupid enough to have people saying things
like this and expecting the rest of the world to just accept it.
Anti-DabianchenVirus
lying all the time from the first post you wrote ten years ago!
"LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters" never ever wrote that I, Wusong,
used "stolen Filipino girl’s photos to frame Chinese guy abianchen".
"Netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill Moore etc" never once indicated
that they thought "abianchen came from Taiwan". Not once did you ever
produced a post indicating that any of them said this - these are
merely the postulations you have been making year in, year out, trying
to pin the blame on others for the lies you post.
All you can do now is repeat and taunt ad nauseam with your moronic
posts - that's all you can do, abianchen/Meichi/report2009. You have
the mentality suitable only for repetitive low service jobs, i.e.
cleaning woman. You can fool some of the people all of the time, and
all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the
people all of the time ( Lincoln: http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27074.html
)
Proof that you are a Philippino girl:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe?hl=en
Proof that you are an *ugly* Philippino girl:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/
Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2?hl=en
Proof that you can't write Chinese:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511?hl=en
Proof that you are childish and repetitive:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d?hl=en
Proof that you make persitent childish claims:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876?hl=en
Proof that you can't back up your accusations:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3?hl=en
Proof that you are a pathological liar:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
rst0wxyz
wrote:
> rst0wxyz wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 3:41 pm, Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dnsdojo.org> wrote:
> >> Activist Refused Lawyer Visit
>
> > Good. Let him rot in jail.
>
> So you disapprove of activists who are trying to get compensation for
> parents whose children were killed by tainted milk?
No, I'm not against wrongful death compensations. I am against do-
gooders who thinks just because they went to western universities,
they know what is good for China.
> Or is it just
> unacceptable to you that any Chinese citizen would dare treat his or her
> government as the servant of the people rather than their master?
Does any government truly a "servant of the people"? None, not the
U.S. government, not any European government. ALL GOVERNMENT are
truly the master of the people, and the people in government are more
equal than the ordinary citizens.
>
> In either case, you're likely to fool some non-Chinese into thinking you
> represent most Chinese.
No, if you have read my profile, I represent myself. My thoughts are
my own. I do not represent any other interest.
> The result of that, of course, would be to
> encourage them to think that Chinese are unworthy of their respect.
On the contrary, most of the 1.3 billion people in China respect and
trust their government. Just like any other country, there are always
a few trouble-makers. Peter, the Terpster makes the case for those
few who thinks they know what is best for China.
> I
> don't think most Chinese would appreciate you doing this.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. I am not doing it for China
or the Chinese people. I am doing it for me, for what I think, feel,
and thought is wrong, and what is right, and what should be done.
> I'm not
> Chinese, but *I* find your language abusive and obnoxious.
You have the right to feel as you pleased, and I have the right to do
as I pleased.
> Fortunately
> I know enough Chinese people not to mistake your attitudes and beliefs
> for theirs.
You mean you know enough Chinese-Americans, which is really not many,
but NOT the REAL Chinese people in China. In here, we are talking
about people in China, not Chinese-American which I am one.
>
> I hope the same is true of the other people reading this newsgroup. :/
Your hope is wrong, and that shows how ignorant you are of this topic
we are talking about.
I am not trying to degrade you, but to tell you the truth.
rst0wxyz
idiotic turkey fool abianchen/report2009/meichi slut cunt chattering
parrot-bird-brain monkey is truly one that is crazy and belongs to a
mental hospital. She represents herself as a "guy from Taiwan", born
in Taiwan, grew up in Taiwan, educated in Taiwan, and can read/write/
speak Chinese", but she had a website where she wrote about people in
soc.culture.china such as RAK, LT Lee, Badmouth Moore",... She
already admitted that was her, but back off and continues her
pathological lies.
Catherine Jefferson
> Catherine Jefferson in <ha6dnZFLioPqK7jW...@supernews.com> :
>
>> I hope the same is true of the other people reading this newsgroup. :/
>
> Well not for me but many people here are Communist hard liners and some of
> them work for the 50 cent army (CCP).
<nod> They were here and active in the early 1990s too, when I was a
regular participant rather than an occasional visitor in
soc.rights.human. After the Internet quit being the play toy of the
university and research communities and became wide open, I figured out
that Usenet was no longer a good place to communicate with fellow
activists, and moved on to other forums. Too much spam, too many
flamers. Now it seems that the spam is under control (probably becuase
the spammers moved elsewhere, and Usenet is no longer being visited by
ravening hordes of new users, so the noise has died down quite a bit.
I can understand why ordinary Chinese would want to defend what they
felt were attacks on their country. I can also understand why some
would not understand why non-Chinese found the behavior of the Chinese
government and officials within China itself so objectionable. There's
this old adage of minding ones own business, after all.
However, a devoted socialist or communist opposing an organization of
parents whose children were poisoned and killed because a company
adulterated infant formula with a poisonous substance to save money?
That beggars belief -- this is precisely the sort of abuse that
socialists and communists in the early 20'th century focused on as
examples of what they most despised about capitalism! The irony in this
situation is reaching critical mass. :/
rst0wxyz
wrote:
> report2009 wrote:
> > You should not take this mentally ill Rusty Old Fool (rst0wxyz)
> > seriously. Even now, Rusty still insisted the Holocaust never
>
> This was *Rusty*? I didn't know he was still around these days. I
> guess that's what happens when your killfiles get too sophisticated. :-)
> Thanks for the heads-up; I didn't *think* that the Chinese government
> (however evil at times) was stupid enough to have people saying things
> like this and expecting the rest of the world to just accept it.
This paragraph only shows how ignorant and stupid you are, listening
to propaganda and unwilling to learn the truth.
rst0wxyz
> Catherine Jefferson in <ha6dnZFLioPqK7jWnZ2dnUVZ_gudn...@supernews.com> :
>
>
> Well not for me but many people here are Communist hard liners and some of
> them work for the 50 cent army (CCP).
>
> Thanks for your honest reaction!!!
She's as honest as you are, Peter, the Terpster.
Catherine Jefferson
> I am Chinese from Taiwan. I believe free speech, free press, justice,
> I also believe government officials are our servant not our master.
Taiwan is a whole different matter from mainland China. Communism isn't
part of your heritage any more than it is of mine, although you share a
lot of history and culture from before 1948 with mainland China.
> As for democracy, I don�t think right now China is ready for *full*
> democracy. Democracy requires good quality of citizens (so they know
> how to choose good leader) and a wealthy society (so voters will sell
> ballots for a couple of soaps). At present, China needs to focus on
> economy so that once hundreds of millions of middle class emerges in
> China, they will demand political reform as we did in Taiwan in the
> 80s and 90s.
<nod> I'm more concerned about freedom and justice for individual people
than about "democracy", although I think that a truly just and free
society must ultimately by its very nature allow its people to decide
how to be governed. There are signs that the Chinese people *are*
slowly gaining some control over their lives and futures, though, most
of them at a local level and not necessarily well known outside of the
country. Any parents group that had attempted to organize at all in
China forty years ago would have resulted in mass arrests and
executions, not the harrassment that this group is attracting at present.
But I can understand why so many Chinese people are less than patient
with the rate of change. I would be. :-)
rst0wxyz
wrote:
> Peter Terpstra wrote:
> > Catherine Jefferson in <ha6dnZFLioPqK7jWnZ2dnUVZ_gudn...@supernews.com> :
>
> >> I hope the same is true of the other people reading this newsgroup. :/
>
> > Well not for me but many people here are Communist hard liners and some of
> > them work for the 50 cent army (CCP).
>
> <nod> They were here and active in the early 1990s too, when I was a
> regular participant rather than an occasional visitor in
> soc.rights.human. After the Internet quit being the play toy of the
> university and research communities and became wide open, I figured out
> that Usenet was no longer a good place to communicate with fellow
> activists, and moved on to other forums. Too much spam, too many
> flamers. Now it seems that the spam is under control (probably becuase
> the spammers moved elsewhere, and Usenet is no longer being visited by
> ravening hordes of new users, so the noise has died down quite a bit.
>
> I can understand why ordinary Chinese would want to defend what they
> felt were attacks on their country. I can also understand why some
> would not understand why non-Chinese found the behavior of the Chinese
> government and officials within China itself so objectionable. There's
> this old adage of minding ones own business, after all.
You just said the magic words, Catherine Jefferson, "mind your own
business" if you don't know anything about the subject.
rst0wxyz
wrote:
> I am Chinese from Taiwan.
She's a perpetual lying bitch from the Philippines Islands. She can
not "read/write/speak perfect Chinese" as she claims.
> I believe free speech, free press, justice,
> I also believe government officials are our servant not our master.
She believes in Masquerading herself as a "guy from Taiwan".
>
> As for democracy, I don’t think right now China is ready for *full*
> democracy. Democracy requires good quality of citizens (so they know
> how to choose good leader) and a wealthy society (so voters will sell
> ballots for a couple of soaps). At present, China needs to focus on
> economy so that once hundreds of millions of middle class emerges in
> China, they will demand political reform as we did in Taiwan in the
> 80s and 90s.
You, as a Philippino, have no say in matters concerning China.
rst0wxyz
turkey fool abianchen/report2009/meichi slut cunt chattering monkey.
> > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequoted text -
abia...@my-deja.com
said Iranian president was right, the Holocaust was just a myth. Of
course, everyone refuted him even his sidekick Psycho Xangdi could not
defend him. That’s why Bill Moore said this to Rusty “You are crazier
than I had previously thought”.
On Dec 14, 11:37 am, Catherine Jefferson <spamt...@spambouncer.org>
wrote:
> report2009 wrote:
> > You should not take this mentally ill Rusty Old Fool (rst0wxyz)
> > seriously. Even now, Rusty still insisted the Holocaust never
> > happened. That’s why netters said he is CRAZY.
abia...@my-deja.com
Cultural Revolution.
Chinese government should ease on internet censorship, free press,
free speech.
On Dec 14, 11:57 am, Catherine Jefferson <spamt...@spambouncer.org>
wrote:
> abianc...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > I am Chinese from Taiwan. I believe free speech, free press, justice,
> > I also believe government officials are our servant not our master.
>
> Taiwan is a whole different matter from mainland China. Communism isn't
> part of your heritage any more than it is of mine, although you share a
> lot of history and culture from before 1948 with mainland China.
>
> > As for democracy, I don’t think right now China is ready for *full*
abia...@my-deja.com
to frame me (a Chinese guy from Taiwan) as "Filipino whore Meichi", So
far, no one has believed him, two netters have said Rusty stole a
girl's photos to frame me but he simply could not stop it. Isn't he
crazy?
On Dec 14, 11:37 am, Catherine Jefferson <spamt...@spambouncer.org>
wrote:
> report2009 wrote:
> > You should not take this mentally ill Rusty Old Fool (rst0wxyz)
> > seriously. Even now, Rusty still insisted the Holocaust never
> > happened. That’s why netters said he is CRAZY.
Anti-DabianchenVirus
not from Taiwan. You wish you were, because you are such an ugly
Philippino dyke who thinks she can fool everyone on the internet. "You
can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people
time" (Lincoln: http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27074.html).
Proof that you are a Philippino girl:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe?hl=en
Proof that you are an *ugly* Philippino girl:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/
Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2?hl=en
Proof that you can't write Chinese:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511?hl=en
Proof that you are childish and repetitive:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d?hl=en
Proof that you make persitent childish claims:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876?hl=en
Proof that you can't back up your accusations:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3?hl=en
Proof that you are a pathological liar:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
On Dec 14, 12:41 pm, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
> > The SpamBouncer * <http://www.spambouncer.org/>- Hide quoted text -
Catherine Jefferson
> Oh forgot to mention that Rusty also stole an innocent girl's photos
> to frame me (a Chinese guy from Taiwan) as "Filipino whore Meichi", So
> far, no one has believed him, two netters have said Rusty stole a
> girl's photos to frame me but he simply could not stop it. Isn't he
> crazy?
It's gotten to the point that *any* accusation on Usenet that somebody
is not identifying themselves honestly is presumptively the work of a
troll. Don't sweat it; I might not have recognized Rusty, but I have
been active on Usenet since the 1980s. (Yes, that long ago.) I
certainly recognize trolls when I see them. :-)
I suppose it's possible that Rusty and some other posters here that come
and go are acting on behalf of governments that abuse human rights.
(China and others.) If so, they're not trying to convince anybody of
anything; they're trying to start flamewars and prevent discussion of
real issues. The best way to handle them is with killfiles and
studiously ignoring their "input".
But it's important to recognize that not everybody who disagrees with us
(even vehemently and intemperately) is a troll. I "met" two people in
soc.rights.human fifteen years ago now who appeared at first to be
defending indefensible stuff, only to find out that they were real
people with real concerns that needed to be heard. It was a good lesson
for me. :-) (Waving at "Herb Ho" and "Koh Thong Wei", if either of them
is still out there.)
abia...@my-deja.com
long as opinion is reasonable. I came from Taiwan, in Taiwan there are
two camps, one for ultimate unification with China, one for ultimate
independence from China, I have friends from both sides, I am glad I
am still able to maintain friendship with them.
On Dec 14, 5:07 pm, Catherine Jefferson <spamt...@spambouncer.org>
wrote:
Catherine Jefferson
> Thanks for your advice, Catherine. I am ok with different opinion as
> long as opinion is reasonable. I came from Taiwan, in Taiwan there are
> two camps, one for ultimate unification with China, one for ultimate
> independence from China, I have friends from both sides, I am glad I
> am still able to maintain friendship with them.
I've had friends on both sides of that fence myself; I lived in the San
Francisco Bay area for almost 20 years. Even more amusing, the "sides"
exist not just among Taiwanese, but among mainland people as well. :-)
That is an issue that I have no position on whatsoever. The same is
true with a lot of issues involving China, Taiwan, and other places with
large groups of ethnic Chinese.
I do have an opinion about large companies that use melanine to sweeten
baby formula to save a bit of production costs, though. And I do have
an opinion about a government whose biggest concern appears to be
keeping this out of the news rather than compensating the victims and
their families. Our cultures are very different, but we're all human
beings. Americans have families and children just as Chinese do, and we
would *not* accept that sort of behavior from an American company or the
American government. I'd be a hypocrite if I failed to support the
parents of these children just because they are Chinese instead of American.
abia...@my-deja.com
products from mainland China unless I want to commit suicide. :-)
China has changed a lot for last 30 years but it is still not as
civilized as Taiwan, HK, and Singapore. Now Taiwan has opened the door
to mainland Chinese tourists, some of Chinese tourists really admired
Taiwan and said that’s what future China should be.
On Dec 14, 5:59 pm, Catherine Jefferson <spamt...@spambouncer.org>
wrote:
Peter Terpstra
> <nod> They were here and active in the early 1990s too, when I was a
> regular participant rather than an occasional visitor in
> soc.rights.human. After the Internet quit being the play toy of the
> university and research communities and became wide open, I figured out
> that Usenet was no longer a good place to communicate with fellow
> activists, and moved on to other forums. Too much spam, too many
> flamers. Now it seems that the spam is under control (probably becuase
> the spammers moved elsewhere, and Usenet is no longer being visited by
> ravening hordes of new users, so the noise has died down quite a bit.
I started seven years ago on internet/Usenet and I remember the flame wars
very well, since three years now I do not notice them so often any more.
A number of posters here have forged headers which means that they want to
hide that they are not posting from America (using American IP numbers).
> I can understand why ordinary Chinese would want to defend what they
> felt were attacks on their country. I can also understand why some
> would not understand why non-Chinese found the behavior of the Chinese
> government and officials within China itself so objectionable. There's
> this old adage of minding ones own business, after all.
I know, but this is not China this is www, if they want to be global, they can
make friends here, that's not impossible. Human minds do do have those limits
like national borders or political agenda's.
> However, a devoted socialist or communist opposing an organization of
> parents whose children were poisoned and killed because a company
> adulterated infant formula with a poisonous substance to save money?
> That beggars belief -- this is precisely the sort of abuse that
> socialists and communists in the early 20'th century focused on as
> examples of what they most despised about capitalism! The irony in this
> situation is reaching critical mass. :/
We only read the tip of the iceberg, corruption and other abuse of government
power is deep grown in the society, most of them do not know what democracy is
only the propaganda that is told them about that, but they do know that the
CCP is unable to rule the country and that they do not have peace with it,
despite the nationalistic and materialistic push.
Thanks for your refreshing response,
Anti-DabianchenVirus
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
.
On Dec 14, 5:38 pm, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
abia...@my-deja.com
frame Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi” but has anyone
believed your lie so far? NOBODY, right? So are you going to revenge
against abianchen for the rest of your life? Is this the only purpose
of your being here in newsgroups?
On Dec 15, 1:38 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Proof that you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, are a pathological liar:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
accusing me of being the same person as "Xangdi" for a whole year now,
without producing one single shred of evidence to back up your
allegations. Nobody "stole" any pictures from anyone. You posted your
pictures on the internet for everyone to see, using your own ISP and
your own ID - abia...@my-deja.com - and bragged about the things you
have been posting on SCC, but immediately took down the website the
moment you discovered that you had been exposed. I am not "revenging"
against anyone, but I will be here as long as it takes to prove to
everyone that you are a pathological liar, who pretends to be "a guy
from Taiwan", as you yourself have written. You are not "a guy from
Taiwan" - you are an ugly Philippino dyke who trolls the internet
pretending to be "a guy from Taiwan", for lack of a real life to live.
People may or may not believe what I have to say about you, but they
should be given the choice of deciding for themselves given the
evidences I have gathered about you for over a whole year since I
started posting on SCC and related groups. Don't think that you can
just get away for lying constantly on the internet - you have been
exposed!
Proof that you are a Philippino girl:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe?hl=en
Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2?hl=en
Proof that you can't write Chinese:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
Proof that you are a pathological liar:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511?hl=en
Proof that you are childish and repetitive:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d?hl=en
Proof that you make persitent childish claims:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876?hl=en
Proof that you can't back up your accusations:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3?hl=en
On Dec 15, 1:09 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
abia...@my-deja.com
Chinese guy abianchen as "Filipino whore Meichi". You are a thief also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2 years
since abianchen exposed your racial act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life? Get
over it!
On Dec 15, 3:32 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Oh, it's come down to a simple "you" now, has it? You have been
> accusing me of being the same person as "Xangdi" for a whole year now,
> without producing one single shred of evidence to back up your
> allegations. Nobody "stole" any pictures from anyone. You posted your
> pictures on the internet for everyone to see, using your own ISP and
> your own ID - abianc...@my-deja.com - and bragged about the things you
> have been posting on SCC, but immediately took down the website the
> moment you discovered that you had been exposed. I am not "revenging"
> against anyone, but I will be here as long as it takes to prove to
> everyone that you are a pathological liar, who pretends to be "a guy
> from Taiwan", as you yourself have written. You are not "a guy from
> Taiwan" - you are an ugly Philippino dyke who trolls the internet
> pretending to be "a guy from Taiwan", for lack of a real life to live.
> People may or may not believe what I have to say about you, but they
> should be given the choice of deciding for themselves given the
> evidences I have gathered about you for over a whole year since I
> started posting on SCC and related groups. Don't think that you can
> just get away for lying constantly on the internet - you have been
> exposed!
>
> Proof that you are a Philippino girl:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe...
>
> Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...
>
> Proof that you can't write Chinese:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
>
> Proof that you are a pathological liar:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>
> Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511...
>
> Proof that you are childish and repetitive:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d...
>
> Proof that you make persitent childish claims:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876...
>
> Proof that you can't back up your accusations:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3...
Anti-DabianchenVirus
On Dec 15, 1:41 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
report2009
LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters all know you Psycho Xangdi (now
Dabian eater) has been using stolen Filipino girl’s photos to frame
Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi”. You are a thief also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2 years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life? Get
over it!
Abianchen, a “Filipino whore Meichi”? Has anyone believed you Psycho
Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies? NOBODY!
On Dec 15, 3:46 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
Anti-DabianchenVirus
Prove that "LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters all know you Psycho
Xangdi (now Dabian eater) has been using stolen Filipino girl’s photos
to frame Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi""; that
"netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill Moore etc all know abianchen came
from Taiwan"; that Xangdi has "harassed abianchen over 2 years since
abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black guy
using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007 so
you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life". Show
us the source and URLs of the posts that back up your statements.
You don't understand what "to prove" means, do you?
Here are:
Proof that you are a Philippino girl:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe?hl=en
Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2?hl=en
Proof that you can't write Chinese:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
Proof that you are a pathological liar:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511?hl=en
Proof that you are childish and repetitive:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d?hl=en
Proof that you make persitent childish claims:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876?hl=en
Proof that you can't back up your accusations:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3?hl=en
report2009
LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters all know you Psycho Xangdi (now
Dabian eater) has been using stolen Filipino girl’s photos to frame
Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi”. You are a thief
also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to
lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2
years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life?
Get
over it!
Abianchen, a “Filipino whore Meichi”? Has anyone believed you Psycho
Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies? NOBODY!
On Dec 15, 8:43 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Prove what? Prove your accusations, Moron!
>
> Prove that "LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters all know you Psycho
> Xangdi (now Dabian eater) has been using stolen Filipino girl’s photos
> to frame Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi""; that
> "netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill Moore etc all know abianchen came
> from Taiwan"; that Xangdi has "harassed abianchen over 2 years since
> abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black guy
> using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007 so
> you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life". Show
> us the source and URLs of the posts that back up your statements.
>
> You don't understand what "to prove" means, do you?
> Here are:
Peter Terpstra
> <nod> They were here and active in the early 1990s too, when I was a
> regular participant rather than an occasional visitor in
> soc.rights.human. After the Internet quit being the play toy of the
> university and research communities and became wide open, I figured out
> that Usenet was no longer a good place to communicate with fellow
> activists, and moved on to other forums. Too much spam, too many
> flamers. Now it seems that the spam is under control (probably becuase
> the spammers moved elsewhere, and Usenet is no longer being visited by
> ravening hordes of new users, so the noise has died down quite a bit.
I started seven years ago on internet/Usenet and I remember the flame wars
very well, since three years now I do not notice them so often any more.
A number of posters here have forged headers which means that they want to
hide that they are not posting from America (using American IP numbers).
> I can understand why ordinary Chinese would want to defend what they
> felt were attacks on their country. I can also understand why some
> would not understand why non-Chinese found the behavior of the Chinese
> government and officials within China itself so objectionable. There's
> this old adage of minding ones own business, after all.
I know, but this is not China this is www, if they want to be global, they can
make friends here, that's not impossible. Human minds do do have those limits
like national borders or political agenda's.
> However, a devoted socialist or communist opposing an organization of
> parents whose children were poisoned and killed because a company
> adulterated infant formula with a poisonous substance to save money?
> That beggars belief -- this is precisely the sort of abuse that
> socialists and communists in the early 20'th century focused on as
> examples of what they most despised about capitalism! The irony in this
> situation is reaching critical mass. :/
We only read the tip of the iceberg, corruption and other abuse of government
Peter Terpstra
> I started seven years ago on internet/Usenet
Aah, ten years ago, time go's so quick :-)
P
Peter Terpstra
> I started seven years ago on internet/Usenet
Aah, ten years ago, time go's so quick :-)
P
--
Peter Terpstra
d3bbb7...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
> I am Chinese from Taiwan. I believe free speech, free press, justice,
> I also believe government officials are our servant not our master.
You are absolutely right, the country belongs to the people and not to the
(criminal) party.
> As for democracy, I don’t think right now China is ready for *full*
> democracy. Democracy requires good quality of citizens (so they know
> how to choose good leader) and a wealthy society (so voters will sell
> ballots for a couple of soaps).
They they can wait till the year 4.000?
I don't think that's a good excuse.
> At present, China needs to focus on
> economy so that once hundreds of millions of middle class emerges in
I'm absolutely not sure of that, they can stop with suppressing the voices
calling for justice and democracy, then they can start a think-tank with
people from all layers of society how to solve the problems China deals with.
The situation is now that China turns her face away (and suppresses secretly)
for her own problems and shows a different picture to the west.
Kind Regards,
Peter
abia...@my-deja.com
education in order to elect officials intelligently. Even Americans
have elected stupid Bush twice.
Singapore did not have full democracy but it has one of most efficient
and clean governments in the world.
Look at India, India probably needs political party like CCP using
iron fist to break up its caste system by forcing different classes
marry to each other.
Corporate America dares not to adopt democracy to elect their CEO
either.
BTW, I am not against democracy but just some nations are ready for
it, some are not.
On Dec 15, 9:45 am, Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dnsdojo.org> wrote:
> abianc...@my-deja.com in <d498e060-67af-4787-b003-
> d3bbb7c70...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
rst0wxyz
wrote:
> abianc...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Oh forgot to mention that Rusty also stole an innocent girl's photos
> > to frame me (a Chinese guy from Taiwan) as "Filipino whore Meichi", So
> > far, no one has believed him, two netters have said Rusty stole a
> > girl's photos to frame me but he simply could not stop it. Isn't he
> > crazy?
>
> It's gotten to the point that *any* accusation on Usenet that somebody
> is not identifying themselves honestly is presumptively the work of a
> troll. Don't sweat it; I might not have recognized Rusty, but I have
> been active on Usenet since the 1980s. (Yes, that long ago.) I
> certainly recognize trolls when I see them. :-)
Well, Catherine Jefferson, you missed the worst troll of all on
soc.culture.china, the ugly uneducated ignorant idiotic turkey fool
abianchen/report2009.meichi slut cunt parrot-bird-brain monkey. She's
a pathological liar, and has been lying on soc.culture.china for over
10 years.
Anti-DabianchenVirus
pathological liar you are - you have absolutely no conscience about
lying. Once cornered you simply revert to your Moron Mode and repeat
ad nauseam the stupid allegations which you have been doing for the
past year.
Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2?hl=en
Proof that you can't write Chinese:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
Proof that you are a pathological liar:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511?hl=en
Proof that you are a Philippino girl:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe?hl=en
Proof that you are childish and repetitive:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d?hl=en
Proof that you make persitent childish claims:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876?hl=en
Proof that you can't back up your accusations:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3?hl=en
> ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
abia...@my-deja.com
LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters all know you Psycho Xangdi (now
Dabian eater) has been using stolen Filipino girl’s photos to frame
Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi”. You are a thief
also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to
lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2
years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life?
Get
over it!
Abianchen, a “Filipino whore Meichi”? Has anyone believed you Psycho
Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies? NOBODY!
On Dec 15, 10:44 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Once again, you have inadvertently shown everyone what an unscrupulous
> pathological liar you are - you have absolutely no conscience about
> lying. Once cornered you simply revert to your Moron Mode and repeat
> ad nauseam the stupid allegations which you have been doing for the
> past year.
>
Catherine Jefferson
> I started seven years ago on internet/Usenet and I remember the flame wars
> very well, since three years now I do not notice them so often any more.
> A number of posters here have forged headers which means that they want to
> hide that they are not posting from America (using American IP numbers).
That was common in soc.rights.human from the start, and not usually
because the poster was a flamer or troll or government flack. We in the
west tend to forget that it is *dangerous* to be a supporter of human
rights in much of the world. :/ A lot of regular participants posted
under pseudonyms for their own safety.
>> I can understand why ordinary Chinese would want to defend what they
>> felt were attacks on their country. I can also understand why some
>> would not understand why non-Chinese found the behavior of the Chinese
>> government and officials within China itself so objectionable. There's
>> this old adage of minding ones own business, after all.
> I know, but this is not China this is www, if they want to be global, they can
> make friends here, that's not impossible. Human minds do do have those limits
> like national borders or political agenda's.
I think you meant "do not" rather than "do do"? <G> True enough, and
many Chinese have made friends here, in at least two cases with me after
they joined the newsgroup to defend their countries. (One was an
Chinese ethnic man from Singapore.) It's important, when criticizing
human rights abuses and abusive governments, to recognize that the
people there might support their government for other, different reasons
than its abuse of human rights.
The Singaporean man I met here taught me an enormous amount about how an
insider might view his country very differently than I did as an
outsider. He was (presumably is) a loyal and patriotic Singaporean who
was immensely and justifiably proud of his little country's
transformation from a little city riven by violent ethnic and religious
conflicts in the 1960s to a peaceful and prosperous nation by the early
1990s. He wasn't unaware of the human rights issues in Singapore, and
agreed with me on many of them. He also viewed them in the context of
all that had been accomplished, however, and saw the ending of violent
ethnic conflict and development of a free and prosperous country as an
enormous win for human rights that wasn't getting nearly enough
recognition by the human rights community.
I suspect a lot of the anger many Chinese feel about outside criticism
of their government comes from the same feeling that we on the outside
don't realize how far they've come. Most mainland Chinese that I know
are as unhappy with the arbitrary, high-handed, abusive actions of their
government as I am. To the extent that they are aware of the conflicts
in Tibet, many sympathize with you. But they see this in a much more
hopeful context than you do or (for that matter) I do. They think that
they're basically on the right path, and that the remaining issues with
their government will work themselves out over the next generation or two.
I'm not convinced that they are right about this, but I have to grant
the possibility. They know more about China than I do. They know more
about *themselves* than I do, and they have the right to the same
respect I would show to you about issues in your country. (Europe, I'm
guessing -- perhaps the Netherlands?)
> We only read the tip of the iceberg, corruption and other abuse of government
> power is deep grown in the society, most of them do not know what democracy is
> only the propaganda that is told them about that, but they do know that the
> CCP is unable to rule the country and that they do not have peace with it,
> despite the nationalistic and materialistic push.
They don't know the whole picture of what you and I both grew up with,
true. I'm not sure that they necessarily want what we grew up with
either; there are parts of it I don't want for my country and wouldn't
want to impose on anybody. :-) But overall, I agree -- many Chinese
people lack free and full access to information about the outside world.
That is inevitably going to shape their opinions about the outside
world; as we say in the Silicon Valley, GIGO. (Garbage in, garbage out.)
But they still know a lot more about their own lives, what they hope for
and want and need on a daily basis, than you or I does. They still can
*think*, just as we can. They (not we) get to choose how they want to
live and how to deal with the issues in their lives. They deserve the
same respect we would give to any other decent, thinking fellow human
being.
Communicating that at the same time that we're criticizing their
government on human rights issues is important.
Anti-DabianchenVirus
innocent unless proven guilty. You, abianchen/Meichi/report2009/and-
all-the-other-pseudonyms-you-have-used, have accused me of being the
same poster as your "Xangdi", and that "Xangdi" was the same poster as
"Leroy B Jones" and "Chairman Mao Says" for a whole year now,
inferring that I was the same poster as the last two mentioned,
without being able to produce one single shred of evidence to back up
your allegations; and now you are simply trying to shove the blame
onto some other posters by saying that they "know" your allegations
were true, even though you can't produce one single post which would
show they had written to this affect. This just goes to show that you
are an unscrupulous pathological liar with absolutely no conscience
and no shame.
I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a pathological
liar - proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of lying that you are a
"guy from Taiwan" - proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2?hl=en
I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of not being able to write
Chinese - proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of making persitent
childish and girlish claims - proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876?hl=en
I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a loser - proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511?hl=en
I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a Philippino girl
- proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe?hl=en
I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being childish and
repetitive - proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d?hl=en
I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of not being able to back
up your accusations - proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3?hl=en
On Dec 15, 11:10 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
Peter Terpstra
> think you meant "do not" rather than "do do"? <G>
Yes off course a typo.
report2009
LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters all know you Psycho Xangdi (now
Dabian eater) has been using stolen Filipino girl’s photos to frame
Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi”. You are a thief
also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to
lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2
years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life?
Get
over it!
Abianchen, a “Filipino whore Meichi”? Has anyone believed you Psycho
Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies? NOBODY!
On Dec 15, 1:56 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Here in the USA, and most other countries in the world, a person is
> innocent unless proven guilty. You, abianchen/Meichi/report2009/and-
> all-the-other-pseudonyms-you-have-used, have accused me of being the
> same poster as your "Xangdi", and that "Xangdi" was the same poster as
> "Leroy B Jones" and "Chairman Mao Says" for a whole year now,
> inferring that I was the same poster as the last two mentioned,
> without being able to produce one single shred of evidence to back up
> your allegations; and now you are simply trying to shove the blame
> onto some other posters by saying that they "know" your allegations
> were true, even though you can't produce one single post which would
> show they had written to this affect. This just goes to show that you
> are an unscrupulous pathological liar with absolutely no conscience
> and no shame.
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a pathological
> liar - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of lying that you are a
> "guy from Taiwan" - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of not being able to write
> Chinese - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of making persitent
> childish and girlish claims - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a loser - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a Philippino girl
> - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being childish and
> repetitive - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of not being able to back
> up your accusations - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3...
Anti-DabianchenVirus
claim is true. Can't you even understand that?
report2009
LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters all know you Psycho Xangdi (now
Dabian eater) has been using stolen Filipino girl's photos to frame
Chinese guy abianchen as "Filipino whore Meichi". You are a thief
also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to
lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2
years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life?
Get
over it!
Abianchen, a "Filipino whore Meichi"? Has anyone believed you Psycho
Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies? NOBODY!
On Dec 15, 10:00 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
Anti-DabianchenVirus
posted on SCC and related groups.
Your continuous inability to produce one single shred of evidence to
back up your allegations proves again and again that all your claims
were lies.
report2009
LT Lee, Almighty Komin etc netters all know you Psycho Xangdi (now
Dabian eater) has been using stolen Filipino girl's photos to frame
Chinese guy abianchen as "Filipino whore Meichi". You are a thief also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to
lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2
years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life?
Get
over it!
Abianchen, a "Filipino whore Meichi"? Has anyone believed you Psycho
Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies? NOBODY!
On Dec 15, 10:54 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
report2009
had previously thought.”
Peter Terpstra said this to you Rusty Old Fool: “My pray and wish for
you is to become a Human Being with a heart and a bit of sanity.”
> > The SpamBouncer * <http://www.spambouncer.org/>- Hide quoted text -
abia...@my-deja.com
record but in the meantime, USA etc nations should understand that
forcing China to adopt democracy right away may not be the right thing
to do. It’s better to let Chinese in mainland China decide what future
China should be. If they are ok with current system, so be it, just
like Singaporeans.
Also, GOOD dictatorship can be a good thing for developing nations.
Before DXP’s “Reform and Openness”, China was lagged behind India in
terms GDP per capita but now China has surpassed India. And India is a
democratic nation.
But no matter what, China should respect basic human rights. People
are not animal.
On Dec 15, 1:00 pm, Catherine Jefferson <spamt...@spambouncer.org>
wrote:
Anti-DabianchenVirus
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
On Dec 16, 12:49 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
abia...@my-deja.com
using stolen “Filipino” girl’s photos to frame Chinese guy abianchen
as “Filipino whore Meichi” but has anyone believed your lies so far?
NOBODY, right? So are you going to revenge against abianchen for the
rest of your life? Is this the only reason of your being here in
newsgroups?
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2 years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life? Get
over it!
On Dec 16, 2:54 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is a pathological liar. Proof:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
Proof: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
On Dec 16, 1:01 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
report2009
Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi”. You are a thief also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2 years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life? Get
over it!
Abianchen, a “Filipino whore Meichi”? Has anyone believed you Psycho
Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies? NOBODY!
On Dec 16, 3:20 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Abianchen/report2009/Meichi is a pathological liar
>
> Proof:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
Anti-DabianchenVirus
pathological liar
Proof: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
report2009
Dabian eater) has been using stolen “Filipino” girl’s photos to frame
Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi”. You are a thief also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to
lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2
years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life?
Get
over it!
Abianchen, a “Filipino whore Meichi”? Has anyone believed you Psycho
Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies? NOBODY!
On Dec 16, 3:32 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Conclusive and irrefutable proof that abianchen/report2009/Meichi is a
> pathological liar
>
Anti-DabianchenVirus
Proof: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
> ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
report2009
Dabian eater) has been using stolen “Filipino” girl’s photos to frame
Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi”. You are a thief also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to
lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2 years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life? Get
over it!
Abianchen, a “Filipino whore Meichi”? Has anyone believed you Psycho
Xangdi (Dabian eater) and Rusty Old Fool's lies? NOBODY!
On Dec 16, 4:34 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Conclusive and irrefutable proof that abianchen/report2009/Meichi is a
> pathological liar and a mental retard.
>
report2009
“Filipino” girl’s photos for revenge and here’s netter LT Lee’s reply.
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater) also uses same stolen photos to attack
abianchen for revenge.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4db406cb29338ae8?hl=en&dmode=source
Here’s Rusty Old Fool (rst0wxyz/rst9) using an innocent “Filipino”
girl’s photos attacking Chinese guy abianchen for revenge:
“The biggest thief and liar, the filthiest, smelliest cunt in the
world, the unbelieveable "guy from Taiwan" who refuses to acknowledge
she is Meichi the fatso ugly tub of lard whore from the Philippines.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/
”
Here’s netter LT Lee’s reply on Rusty’s stolen “Filipino” girl’s
photos and Rusty’s harrassing Chinese guy abianchen:
“Is abianchen is really a "guy from Taiwan"? I don't know. But it does
not matter. As far as I can tell, his posts and his claimed identy
have no contradiction. For all practical purpose, he is a guy from
Taiwan.
All netters who had frequented the Chinese culture forum had endured
your nonsense for a long time. But enoough is enough. You had posted
thousands of psots attacking him. But you had accomplished nothing. He
is still around and he is not likely to disappear anytime soon.
You have also dragged in an innocient girl by using her pictures. You
are lucky so far and no one has sued you or your organization for
libel.”
On Dec 15, 1:56 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Here in the USA, and most other countries in the world, a person is
> innocent unless proven guilty. You, abianchen/Meichi/report2009/and-
> all-the-other-pseudonyms-you-have-used, have accused me of being the
> same poster as your "Xangdi", and that "Xangdi" was the same poster as
> "Leroy B Jones" and "Chairman Mao Says" for a whole year now,
> inferring that I was the same poster as the last two mentioned,
> without being able to produce one single shred of evidence to back up
> your allegations; and now you are simply trying to shove the blame
> onto some other posters by saying that they "know" your allegations
> were true, even though you can't produce one single post which would
> show they had written to this affect. This just goes to show that you
> are an unscrupulous pathological liar with absolutely no conscience
> and no shame.
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a pathological
> liar - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of lying that you are a
> "guy from Taiwan" - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of not being able to write
> Chinese - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of making persitent
> childish and girlish claims - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a loser - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a Philippino girl
> - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being childish and
> repetitive - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of not being able to back
> up your accusations - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3...
Peter Terpstra
<586c3634-370b-4d51...@1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> :
> Go visit rural China, you will find people there don't have good
> education in order to elect officials intelligently. Even Americans
> have elected stupid Bush twice.
Off course I know that, if to less people care about elections, that will
happen, personally I do not find America the best example but certainly not
the worst. Democracy is not holy, it's just one of the less worst systems.
> Singapore did not have full democracy but it has one of most efficient
> and clean governments in the world.
>
> Look at India, India probably needs political party like CCP using
> iron fist to break up its caste system by forcing different classes
> marry to each other.
Politics have already done a lot about that, but it's deep grained in the
culture, I do not believe that iron fists will have any positive contribution.
Not that people should not improve on that, just project on project till its
worn out.
> Corporate America dares not to adopt democracy to elect their CEO
> either.
>
> BTW, I am not against democracy but just some nations are ready for
> it, some are not.
This argument can be abused to really care for improvements on Human Rights,
Free speech, Freedom of information and so.
Peter Terpstra
[...]
Agreed.
> Communicating that at the same time that we're criticizing their
> government on human rights issues is important.
I think also, I believe in the Humanity of Chinese people.
Kind Regards,
abia...@my-deja.com
governments in the world and it did not have bad human rights record
either. Singapore can be a good example for China.
Kids need to learn how to walk before run. We need to be patient and
give China time. Of course, China also needs pressure from outside to
improve herself.
On Dec 16, 6:16 am, Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dnsdojo.org> wrote:
> abianc...@my-deja.com in
> <586c3634-370b-4d51-8314-3f38f60b3...@1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> :
Anti-DabianchenVirus
Proof: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
On Dec 16, 4:30 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
> > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china- Hide quoted text -
report2009
attack Chinese guy abianchen for revenge and here’s netter LT Lee’s
reply. Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater) also uses same stolen photos
to attack abianchen for revenge.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4db406cb29338ae8?hl=en&dmode=source
Here’s Rusty Old Fool (rst0wxyz/rst9) using an innocent “Filipino”
girl’s photos to attack Chinese guy abianchen for revenge:
“The biggest thief and liar, the filthiest, smelliest cunt in the
world, the unbelieveable "guy from Taiwan" who refuses to acknowledge
she is Meichi the fatso ugly tub of lard whore from the Philippines.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/
”
Here’s netter LT Lee’s reply on Rusty’s using stolen “Filipino” girl’s
photos to attack Chinese guy abianchen:
“Is abianchen is really a "guy from Taiwan"? I don't know. But it does
not matter. As far as I can tell, his posts and his claimed identy
have no contradiction. For all practical purpose, he is a guy from
Taiwan.
All netters who had frequented the Chinese culture forum had endured
your nonsense for a long time. But enoough is enough. You had posted
thousands of psots attacking him. But you had accomplished nothing. He
is still around and he is not likely to disappear anytime soon.
You have also dragged in an innocient girl by using her pictures. You
are lucky so far and no one has sued you or your organization for
libel.”
On Dec 16, 8:09 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Conclusive and irrefutable proof that abianchen/report2009/Meichi is a
> pathological liar.
>
> Proof:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
> > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
report2009
Dabian eater) has been using stolen “Filipino” girl’s photos to frame
Chinese guy abianchen as “Filipino whore Meichi”. You are a thief also
a liar!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), netters like BYS, RAK, LT Lee, Bill
Moore etc all know abianchen came from Taiwan. There is no use to lie!
Psycho Xangdi (Dabian eater), you have harassed abianchen over 2 years
since abianchen exposed your racist act when you pretended as a black
guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black people in November 2007
so you wanted revenge against abianchen for the rest of your life? Get
over it!
On Dec 16, 8:21 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Conclusive and irrefutable proof that abianchen/report2009/Meichi is a
> pathological liar.
>
> Proof:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>
> Once again, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, you have inadvertently shown
> everyone what an unscrupulous pathological liar you are - you have
> absolutely no conscience about lying. Once cornered you simply revert
> to your Moron Mode and repeat ad nauseam the stupid allegations which
> you have been doing for the past year.
>
> Proof that you are lying about being a "guy from Taiwan":http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...
>
> Proof that you can't write Chinese:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
>
> Proof that you are a pathological liar:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>
> Proof that you are a loser: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511...
>
> Proof that you are a Philippino girl:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe...
>
> Proof that you are childish and repetitive:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d...
>
> Proof that you make persitent childish claims:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876...
>
> Proof that you can't back up your accusations:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3...
>
> On Dec 16, 6:16 am, report2009 <repost2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > How Rusty (rst0wxyz/rst9) uses stolen “Filipino” girl’s photos to
> > attack Chinese guy abianchen for revenge and here’s netter LT Lee’s
> > reply. Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater) also uses same stolen photos
> > to attack abianchen for revenge.
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4db406cb29338ae8...
> > > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequotedtext -
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using stolen “Filipino” girl’s photos to frame Chinese guy abianchen
your life? Is this the only reason of your being here in newsgroups?
On Dec 16, 9:47 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Conclusive and irrefutable proof that abianchen/report2009/Meichi is a
> pathological liar.
>
> Proof:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>
> Here in the USA, and most other countries in the world, a person is
> innocent unless proven guilty. You, abianchen/Meichi/report2009/and-
> all-the-other-pseudonyms-you-have-used, have accused me of being the
> same poster as your "Xangdi", and that "Xangdi" was the same poster as
> "Leroy B Jones" and "Chairman Mao Says" for a whole year now,
> inferring that I was the same poster as the last two mentioned,
> without being able to produce one single shred of evidence to back up
> your allegations; and now you are simply trying to shove the blame
> onto some other posters by saying that they "know" your allegations
> were true, even though you can't produce one single post which would
> show they had written to this affect. This just goes to show that you
> are an unscrupulous pathological liar with absolutely no conscience
> and no shame.
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a pathological
> liar - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/ee41fc07a8921a88...
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of lying that you are a
> "guy from Taiwan" - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of not being able to write
> Chinese - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of making persitent
> childish and girlish claims - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a loser - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being a Philippino girl
> - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of being childish and
> repetitive - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d...
>
> I accuse you, abianchen/Meichi/report2009, of not being able to back
> up your accusations - proof:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/73b180e176f8ebe3...
> > > > > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequote...
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Fool (rst9/rst0wxyz) stole an innocent “Filipino/Thai?” girl’s photos
to frame Chinese guy abianchen and his sidekick Psycho Xangdi (now
Dabian eater) followed suit. Enjoy!
November 6, 2008 11:39 am, Rusty Old Fool still called abianchen “he”,
a guy. The link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fccc40f0e1bf2602
One hour later, November 6, 2008 12:30pm, Rusty asked abianchen to
post his photo. The link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/60f3e2acc9814dd0
Abianchen did not post his photo. 12 hours later, November 7 2008,
12:47am, Rusty for the first time posted an innocent “Thai/Filipino?”
girl’s website and accused abianchen is that girl with NO proof. The
link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/698c3ef315dc98e1
6 hours later, November 7 2008, 6:33am, Rusty’s sidekick Psycho Xangdi
(now Dabian eater) wasted on time and immediately followed suit. The
link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4c1f30432567c752
16 hours later, November 8, 2008, 11:54pm, Rusty for the first time
using this “Thai/Filipino” girl’s photo to harass abianchen. The
link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/6f204e14df83b82e
Rusty then stole this innocent Thai girl’s photos and added them to
his photo album website and claimed Meichi is Filipino. Obviously,
Rusty had no idea who this girl is, a Thai or a Filipino. Rusty is not
only a thief but also a liar! And apparently, to Rusty, being Filipino
or Thai is low class. The link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00
From that day… these two dumb and dumber, Rusty Old Fool and Psycho
Xangdi have teamed up to frame abianchen as “Thai/Filipino whore
Meichi” and have used this girl’s photos to insult abianchen for
revenge.
On Dec 17, 6:49 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> So, that constitutes your defense to prove that you are a "guy from
> Taiwan", does it - "LTLee says"? Where did this "LTLee" actually say
> that he confirmed you are a "guy from Taiwan"? All he said was "I
> don't know" about the subject at hand.
>
> Who is LTLee anyway? The paragon of truth in SCC to whom you pay
> homage and reverence? Are his words to be taken as the paramount of
> truth by every poster in SCC and related groups? Have you conveniently
> forgotten that your own "Bill Moore" had for several years hunted down
> this "LTLee" and proven him to be a fraud and an idiot?
>
> Your efforts to try and cover up your lies have backfired yet again,
> and expose you more clearly to everyone that you are a pathological
> liar par excellence.Tell us why you hate your own Philippino people so
> much, that you renounced them as well as your own gender to pretend to
> be "a guy from Taiwan", ugly dyke abianchen/Meichi/report2009. Must be
> because of your failed sex-change operation that made you look like
> this, huh:http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/?
>
> On Dec 16, 6:16 am, report2009 <repost2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > How Rusty (rst0wxyz/rst9) uses stolen “Filipino” girl’s photos to
> > attack Chinese guy abianchen for revenge and here’s netter LT Lee’s
> > reply. Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater) also uses same stolen photos
> > to attack abianchen for revenge.
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4db406cb29338ae8...
> > > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequotedtext -
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http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fccc40f0e1bf2602
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/60f3e2acc9814dd0
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/698c3ef315dc98e1
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4c1f30432567c752
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/6f204e14df83b82e
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00
On Dec 17, 7:01 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Tell the girl whose photos Rusty posted on SCC that she should sue
> him, and fill her in on the legal procedures here in the USA. She
> should be able to put him behind bars for the rest of his life, if the
> court finds him guilty. Of course you should also tell her that she
> has to appear in court with credentials and prove that she is the
> person in the pictures, and that she has a legal permit to stay in the
> USA.
> > > > > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequote...
Anti-DabianchenVirus
him, and fill her in on the legal procedures here in the USA. She
should be able to put him behind bars for the rest of his life, if the
court finds him guilty. Of course you should also tell her that she
prove that she is the person in those pictures, and that she has to
prove that she has a legal permit to stay in the USA.
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http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fccc40f0e1bf2602
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/60f3e2acc9814dd0
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/698c3ef315dc98e1
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4c1f30432567c752
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/6f204e14df83b82e
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00
On Dec 17, 7:32 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
report2009
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fccc40f0e1bf2602
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/60f3e2acc9814dd0
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/698c3ef315dc98e1
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4c1f30432567c752
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/6f204e14df83b82e
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00
On Dec 17, 7:44 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
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a "guy from Taiwan", does it - "LTLee says"? Where did this "LTLee"
actually say that he confirmed you are a "guy from Taiwan"? All he
said was "I don't know" about the subject at hand.
Who is LTLee anyway? The paragon of truth in SCC to whom you pay
homage and reverence? Are his words to be taken as the paramount of
truth by every poster in SCC and related groups? Have you so
> > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequoted text -
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http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fccc40f0e1bf2602
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/60f3e2acc9814dd0
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/698c3ef315dc98e1
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4c1f30432567c752
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/6f204e14df83b82e
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00
On Dec 17, 9:17 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> So, that concludes and constitutes your defense to prove that you are
> a "guy from Taiwan", does it - "LTLee says"? Where did this "LTLee"
> actually say that he confirmed you are a "guy from Taiwan"? All he
> said was "I don't know" about the subject at hand.
>
> Who is LTLee anyway? The paragon of truth in SCC to whom you pay
> homage and reverence? Are his words to be taken as the paramount of
> truth by every poster in SCC and related groups? Have you so
Anti-DabianchenVirus
> > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequoted text -
report2009
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fccc40f0e1bf2602
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/60f3e2acc9814dd0
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/698c3ef315dc98e1
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4c1f30432567c752
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/6f204e14df83b82e
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00
On Dec 17, 11:13 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequotedtext -
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> > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequoted text -
report2009
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fccc40f0e1bf2602
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/60f3e2acc9814dd0
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/698c3ef315dc98e1
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4c1f30432567c752
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/6f204e14df83b82e
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00
From that day… these two dumb and dumber, Rusty Old Fool and Psycho
Xangdi (now Dabian eater) have teamed up to frame abianchen as “Thai/
Filipino whore Meichi” and have used this girl’s photos to insult
abianchen for revenge.
On Dec 17, 1:04 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
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rst0wxyz
a master masturbator herself.
> ...
>
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to attack Chinese guy abianchen for revenge and here’s netter LT Lee’s
reply. Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater) also uses same stolen photos
to attack abianchen for revenge.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4db406cb29338ae8?hl=en&dmode=source
Here’s Rusty Old Fool (rst0wxyz/rst9) using an innocent “Filipino”
girl’s photos to attack Chinese guy abianchen for revenge:
“The biggest thief and liar, the filthiest, smelliest cunt in the
world, the unbelieveable "guy from Taiwan" who refuses to acknowledge
she is Meichi the fatso ugly tub of lard whore from the Philippines.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/
”
Here’s netter LT Lee’s reply on Rusty’s using stolen “Filipino” girl’s
photos to attack Chinese guy abianchen:
“Is abianchen is really a "guy from Taiwan"? I don't know. But it does
not matter. As far as I can tell, his posts and his claimed identy
have no contradiction. For all practical purpose, he is a guy from
Taiwan.
All netters who had frequented the Chinese culture forum had endured
your nonsense for a long time. But enoough is enough. You had posted
thousands of psots attacking him. But you had accomplished nothing. He
is still around and he is not likely to disappear anytime soon.
You have also dragged in an innocient girl by using her pictures. You
are lucky so far and no one has sued you or your organization for
libel.”
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and-paste¨
Go on, sue us. See what'll happen to you, when the Feds get hold of
you.
On Dec 17, 11:34 am, report2009 <repost2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How Rusty (rst0wxyz/rst9) uses stolen “Filipino/Thai?” girl’s photos
> to attack Chinese guy abianchen for revenge and here’s netter LT Lee’s
> reply. Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater) also uses same stolen photos
> to attack abianchen for revenge.
>