How the next ten years will decide China’s future
Peter Terpstra
By Qian Gang — On National Day this month, as the capital was swept up in
waves of carefully contrived jubilation, my thoughts turned to China’s future.
What would China be like on the 70th anniversary in 2019? On that day, just
over the horizon, would we witness a replay of this pageantry? Would party
leaders roll out another top-50 list of political slogans?
Would independent voices — “noise and static,” as the party calls them — still
be suppressed? Would Beijing again be wound tight with security under the
slogan of “stability before all else”?
Or would Chinese have something more to celebrate?
If I may be allowed a bit of simple prognosticating, let me say that the next
ten years will decide China’s future.
2012 is the year that Hu Jintao will pass power to the next generation of
leaders. While the CCP’s statutes do not place limits on the tenure of the
general secretary, provisional rules on term limits issued in 2006 (党政领导幹部职务任期
暂行规定) specify that party leaders should hold office for no more than two
terms.
If during the coming ten years China’s political climate continues at its
present tempo, if there are no dramatic political bumps, we can be fairly
certain that the leader who takes the reins at the 18th Party Congress in 2012
will remain as China’s national leader when the 70th anniversary rolls around
in 2019.
China cannot be allowed to slide into chaos. This is something all Chinese can
basically agree on. But if the CCP continues to drag its feet on political
reform, we should all be deeply concerned.
Ahead of the 50th anniversary of the P.R.C. in 1999, party elder Li Shenzhi (李
慎之) wrote an open letter to then-President Jiang Zemin [Chinese here] calling
on him to seek progress on political reform where Deng Xiaoping had been
unable as a result of historical exigencies.
In 2009, on the eve of the 60th anniversary, a conversation with someone
purported to be a high-level party elder was circulated widely on the
internet. The article, “The ruling party must build a basic system of
political ethics” (执政党要建立基本的政治伦理), urged the CCP to reflect on its past and
move ahead with political reforms.
The article stirred the secret hopes of countless Chinese.
During Jiang Zemin’s tenure as general secretary, there was nothing whatsoever
to signal an interest in pursuing political reforms. In the early days of the
Hu Jintao-Wen Jiabao administration, there was some chatter about the “new
politics of Hu-Wen” (胡温新政). This “new politics” was encompassed in the
political catchphrase “people first and foremost” (以人为本).
During the past seven years, however, the topic (not to mention the project)
of political reform has gathered dust on the back shelf. The corrupting force
of crony capitalism has expanded unchecked. Party and commercial special
interest groups have become more and more entrenched, and present an ever-
graver challenge to social stability.
In the aftermath of the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, Premier Wen Jiabao made a
solemn pledge that responsibility would be sought for the death of
schoolchildren as a result of shoddy school construction. This pledge came to
nothing, however, fizzling out in behind-the-scenes power brokering.
The hopes Chinese had vested in Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao have slipped ever
since the zenith of confidence reached during China’s fight against SARS in
2003.
China today is a cripple, one leg healthy and striding ahead, the other
twisted and underdeveloped. Economic reforms surge ahead. Meanwhile, progress
in China’s political system is thwarted.
The experience of June 4th, 1989, left deep traumas. China now suffers from a
sickness that covets power, feeds and encourages corruption, and punishes
goodness and honesty. The ripe atmosphere for political reform that existed in
China in the 1980s is no longer there.
Politically confined, Chinese have been unable to explore and prepare for the
possibilities of political reform. The conditions for implementing substantial
political reforms do not exist in the short term in China. This will almost
certainly remain true over the next decade. But nevertheless, the CCP can no
longer avoid tough decisions on political reform.
For the remainder of their terms in office, Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao can be
expected to push economic development. But no one stakes any hope on the idea
that Hu and Wen might offer a blueprint for political reform.
For the next three years, all eyes will turn on Hu Jintao and the question of
succession. One of the key questions is whether his transfer of power will
serve as a model for intra-party democracy (党内民主).
Who Hu Jintao’s successor will be is of lesser importance than how this
successor will be determined. The most critical question is whether Hu Jintao,
this leader designated as successor [to Jiang Zemin] by Deng Xiaoping himself,
can set a precedent for “democratic, open, competitive and merit-based” (民主、公
开、竞争、择优) leadership selection principles during his tenure in office, thereby
breaking through the “old man politics,” or gerontocracy (老人政治), that has for
so many years worked at odds with intra-party democratic principles.
If China’s top leader could be selected in such a manner, this would mark an
important shift in the direction of more democratic politics.
It was at this time a century ago that the government of the Qing Dynasty was
thrown into turmoil. Facing intense pressure from society, the Qing was forced
to grapple with the question of political reform.
In 1906 the Qing government announced that it was preparing a constitution.
Two years later it released the general outline of its constitution in a
document called, “Imperial Decree on the Outline of the Constitution” (钦定宪法大
纲), which allowed nine years for the drafting process.
The Qing’s was an extremely conservative blueprint for political reform, and
yet it did manage to provide a timetable.
In the end, though, there was no time for such a process. The Empress Dowager
Cixi and the Guangxu Emperor died in 1908, and the Qing government quickly
descended into chaos.
Fifty years ago, as the People’s Republic of China was preparing to celebrate
its 10th anniversary, army commander Peng Dehuai (彭德怀) criticized Mao Zedong’s
Great Leap Forward as a dramatic policy mistake. At the Lushan Conference held
in the summer of 1959, Peng, an ardent CCP supporter, was disgraced and
branded an anti-CCP agitator.
Mao Zedong’s catastrophic missteps continued. Behind the shallow veneer of
10th anniversary celebrations that year, the horrors of China’s Great Famine
were already becoming clear.
Forty years ago, in 1969, China’s national leader, Liu Shaoqi (刘少奇), who had
been selected through a constitutional process, was absent from National Day
celebrations. That year, at Mao’s behest, Liu was branded a traitor and
expelled from the party.
Standing beside Mao Zedong on that National Day was Lin Biao (林彪), his
designated heir. But within two years, Lin Biao too fell victim to Mao’s
politics. He was branded a traitor and killed in an apparent attempt to flee
the country that remains clouded with mystery.
There are so many lessons from our recent history that we Chinese must bear
forcefully in mind. We must understand that without a better and fairer
political system, we will have no peace and harmony in our country, and no
hope for stability.
These next ten years will be critical.
The next generation of leaders will inherit many painful and difficult
problems. It will be their responsibility and historical burden to act with
political courage, seeking long-term solutions to problems from their root
causes.
And what is the root of China’s social and political ills today? It is the
monopolization of power and privilege.
We hope party leaders seek solutions to China’s predicament by “breaking
through monopoly” (破除垄断); by breaking through the monopolization of politics,
leading China toward a process of normalized political competition, whereby
power is checked and monitored in accordance with the constitution; by
breaking through monopolization of the economy by the state; by breaking
through the monopolization of civil affairs, allowing the healthy development
of a civil society; by breaking through the monopolization of culture,
allowing Chinese to think and speak freely in an atmosphere of tolerance and
openness, and ensuring the unfettered flow of information.
How might political reforms begin? They might begin with the relaxing of
controls on speech.
The political system, an issue bearing directly on the lives of hundreds of
millions of Chinese — our next generation of leaders cannot expect the people
to keep their mouths shut on this account. What direction China’s political
system should head is a major question that should invite discussion,
exploration, and experimentation.
This is the first thing. That China’s leaders must not monopolize the right to
expression. That China’s leaders cannot simply muzzle society with simple
declaratives like, “We will not copy the West” (我们绝不照搬西方).
The next ten years will determine China’s fate. Of course the great edifice of
constitutional governance in China is not a project that can be completed in
the space of ten years.
But we appeal to our leaders: do not delay. Tell the people what direction you
intend to take us, and work with us to reform our system, building the
foundations of constitutionalism in time for our 70th birthday celebrations.
[Posted by David Bandurski, October 29, 2009, 3:38pm HK]
http://cmp.hku.hk/2009/10/29/2550/
--
Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:
http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china
Ah Beng Kiasu
> How the next ten years will decide China’s future
China is better now than 10 years ago, and in 10 year
time, it will be better than today.
Some of the improvement that will materialize by the
next decade:-
The first Chinese will be on the moon. All cities in China
will be connected by a network of high speed train (works
already started). GDP, increasing by 8% a year, will
be much, much higher than today. There will be more middle
class people than the poor. In three more years, China will
be the 2nd largest economy in the world, over taking Japan.
Its foreign reserve will be three times what it is today. China
will have three times as many nuclear power stations. One
millions post graduates(Ph.Ds) will return to China, after their
attachment to top universities around the world, to become
the reservoir of China's own brain-bank. (The first wave
have already returned and doing excellent work in top labs
around China). China's venture into heavy industry and high
tech industries will mature, to become a major player in
aircraft building industries, high speed train, computers,
medicine, and knowledge industries. The PLA will be a
modern fighting force. The defence industries will match
the best in the world, overtaking Russia and Israel.
>
> Chinese have been unable to explore and prepare for the
> possibilities of political reform.
Political reform ?
If by political reform, the writer wish China to adopt
the flawed US democracy to replace its previous communist
system, he will be disappointed.
China WILL NOT want to copy the US system of governance,
proven to be seriously flawed.
Democracy has now brought the USA to its knee, unable
to give ten millions American jobs, proper health care, homes,
the basic necessity of life...unable to pay for its basic expense,
had to borrow trillions from China and the oil producers, had to
borrow trillions to fight the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
What is so good about US system of governance, if it
cannot provide jobs and the basic necessities of life !
Apart from US democracy, there are better political system
(of governance), proven to be able to improve the life
of its citizens. Since the time of Teng XP, China has
adopted a new political system, first evolved in Singapore
by Lee Kuan Yew.
Under this new political system, a country should be ruled,
not by any Tom, Dick and Harry (elected), but by able leaders,
leaders tested and proven repeatedly, before they could
become the top dog.
The political system in China has undergone a quiet reform.
China is now NOT ruled by communism, but by Chinese
leaders with proven leadership abilities. Just like it has
worked in Singapore, it is working extremely well in Beijing.
Those who called for political reform (meaning democracy)
in China are dreaming, still living in the past. Time for them
to wake up to face reality.
Peter Terpstra
> I seemed to miss the part where you spoke about suppression of free speec=
> h, torture,
> false imprisonment, sanctioned rape and sterilization, ethnic genocide, s=
> ham trials,
> disbarred social justice lawyers and, probably, the highest death penalty=
> rate in the
> world. Hmm?
The list of the crimes of the CCP is long, long, long....
The strange thing is that they are still in charge and that their crimes
continue to happen.
Who does not want to get rid of such a harmful system?
Peter
abia...@my-deja.com
that time, Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) was in charge in Taiwan.
Like CCP, KMT did a superb job for Taiwan’s economy. Like CCP, KMT was
also an authoritarian regime, surppressing free speech, free press…
and abusing human rights… many exiled Taiwanese democracy activists
could not go home and those in Taiwan were put into jail. With
successful economy, Taiwan’s middle class emerged and finally they
demanded more freedom. In the 90s, they got them all, free press, free
speech, democracy. Guess what? KMT is still in charge today and they
were democratically elected.
In Taiwan, there’s a poll for who’s the best president of ROC
(Taiwan), guess what? Taiwan people chose CCK, a dicator in the 70s
and 80s, as the most competent president. It’s CCK bringing Taiwan
prosperity and lifting martial law (Taiwan had martial law for 40
years!).
Why? Like Clinton said, “It’s the economy, stupid!”
And that’s why LKY (his son now) regime stands still in Singapore, CCP
stands still in China. With successful economy, average people (more
than 90% population) would tolearate with the regime, authoratarin or
not.
Now, using Taiwan as an example, those Taiwanese dissidents overseas
(pretty much like you guys) contributed little to Taiwan’s democracy,
contraray, it’s Taiwan’s middle class made it. So I believe political
reform in China will come within but not from you guys or any pressure
from the west. And after political reform, CCP may still be able to
get elected and govern China just like KMT in Taiwan today.
But that does not mean you guys should stop posting, it just means,
Chinese people (not you guys) are the one decide their future.
Also, when China becomes a developed nation, Tibet and Xinjiang (your
so-called East Turkey) will very likely stay just like Hawaii for USA.
Now, enjoy your posting and in the meantime, China continues its
prosperity. China’s economy has surprassed Germany’s last year and
soon will surpass Japan’s and becomes the second largest in the world.
There is really no G20 but G2, USA and China.
China now is the largest foreign reserve holding nation in the world
(over 1 trillion) and largest US Treasury bond holder. That’s why
Obama did not want to meet Dalai Lama before his China trip. Hey,
that’s why President of France Sakozy (for his own interest) met Dalai
Lama and next day he immediately remedied relations with China.
Why? Like Clinton said, “It’s the economy, stupid!” In other words,
money talks!
So continue your posting because CCP still needs to your voices to
improve herself. Haha!
On Nov 12, 5:55 am, Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dnsdojo.org> wrote:
> Love Tibet in <20091112090112.50EF881...@fleegle.mixmin.net> :
Ah Beng Kiasu
>
> I seemed to miss the part where you spoke about suppression of free
> speech, torture, false imprisonment etc.
Yes. You live in a world of delusion, believing in bias western
spins, China bashing reports, repeating things that happened
long ago (in Mao's era) as if they are still rampant in China.
You will not hear such bias reports from people who live
in the real world, in the world of realities.
Yes. China do not give the people who are bend on toppling
the Beijing government, (like the Falungong, the exiled Tibetans.
the CIA paid local agents) and those who are bend on
creating social unrest, unlimited air time to spread their
poisons, and to create riots in China.
Only fools will give free reign to the enemy of the country
to harm its people, to topple its government, to create social
unrest, to replace its leaders with US appointed puppets.
The Chinese are no fools.
Even in the USA, Americans are denied unlimited free
speech. Eg. in the last election politicians were heard because
they did not have millions to buy air time on national TV.
In the USA, the voices of the poor Americans are
gagged and not listened to. It took, a hundred years
for the voices of those millions of uninsured Americans
(46 millions now) to be heard by Obama.
Torture? Obviously you have not heard about
water boarding, about secret CIA jails, and about
healthy young prisoners dying prematurely in US
jail.
In China, the prison guards are good people, who
would beat the shit out of the bad people; the traitors,
evil politicians, rioters who kill, murderers, rapists....
for the good of China. These bad guys deserve the
beatings.
Lessons to be learned : "be good, don't be evil, and
don't be bad. No one will harm you"
Only fools will not throw away the bad apples, will
not get rid of the rotten eggs.
> ...probably, the highest death penalty rate in the world. Hmm?
>
In every nation, they have their own justice system.
In Singapore, drug traffickers, murderers, and people
found with guns are hanged. It is our justice system.
In certain states in the USA, murderers are put to
death. It is good justice.
In China, murderers, drug traffickers and corrupt officials
are shot.
Good people in China will be safer when there are
less murders, less corrupt officials and drug traffickers
around.
It is the Chinese way, it is justice in China.
A word of advice. If you are a murderer, killer, drug
trafficker, or a killer rioter, don't come to China. Your
will lose your life if you are caught.
ltlee1
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> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:29:56 -0800 (PST), Ah Beng Kiasu
>
> <kiasu.ah.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Yes. You live in a world of delusion, believing in bias western
> >spins, China bashing reports, repeating things that happened
> >long ago (in Mao's era) as if they are still rampant in China.
> >You will not hear such bias reports from people who live
> >in the real world, in the world of realities.
>
>
> Xinjiang - An inevitable explosion
> By Helena Lewis 2 October 2009, 11:39AM
>
> The protests that swept China's Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region
> (XUAR) in July came as no surprise to China watchers. They were the
> culmination of years of attempted erosion of the ethnic identity of
> the Uighur people of the region by the ruling Han majority.
>
> The ensuing violence left a reported 197 dead, 1,600 injured and 1,434
> detained.
>
> The Uighurs are an Indigenous East Turkestan people with their own
> history, culture, language, religion and traditions. Despite formal
> autonomy, the XUAR is tightly controlled by the Chinese Government and
> the Han Chinese now outnumber the Uighurs by more than two to one.http://www.amnesty.org.au/china/comments/21781/
>
> Is this?
One common misconception.
In reality, the uighurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang.
>
> Twenty years after the Chinese army killed untold numbers of unarmed
> civilians in Beijing and other cities on and around June 3-4, 1989,
> the Chinese government continues to victimize survivors, victims'
> families, and others who challenge the official version of events,
> Human Rights Watch said today.
>
> Human Rights Watch today releases "The Tiananmen Legacy," an
> assessment of the continuing impact of Tiananmen and a multimedia
> feature on the crackdown's 20th anniversary, which can be accessed athttp://www.hrw.org/en/node/83112.
>
> The Chinese Communist Party initially justified its actions during the
> bloody crackdown as a necessary response to a "counter-revolutionary
> incident," later revising its characterization of the event as a
> "political disturbance."
>
> "The government's ongoing efforts to censor history, crush dissent,
> and harass survivors stands in stark contrast to the impressive
> economic and social developments in China in recent decades," said
> Sophie Richardson, Asia advocacy director at Human Rights Watch. "The
> Chinese government should recognize that 20 years of denial and
> repression have only caused the wounds of Tiananmen to fester, not
> heal."
>
> The Chinese government has always refused to provide a list of those
> killed, "disappeared," or imprisoned, and has failed to publish
> verifiable casualty figures.
>
> The Tiananmen Mothers, a group of mothers and parents of students and
> civilian victims, has established a list of more than 150 people who
> were killed after the army opened fire on civilians. The government
> has also consistently quashed all public discussion of June 1989,
> while persecuting those who participated in the demonstrations or who
> publicly question the government's version of events.http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/05/12/china-tiananmen-s-unhealed-wounds
>
> Or this?
>
> Two-Year Sentence for Property Rights Advocate, 70, Accused of
> Possessing State Secrets
>
> On November 6, 2009, in a closed trial, a local court in Zhejiang
> Province sentenced a 70-year-old petitioner, Lin Dagang (???), to two
> years in prison for illegally possessing state secrets =96 namely, a
> document issued by the Ministry of Housing and Urban-Rural Development
> (formerly the Ministry of Construction) that in fact had been
> circulating on the Internet. Lin has been a long-time petitioner and
> core member of a nationwide group seeking the return of ancestral
> houses that the government took possession of in 1956.
>
> Lin=92s wife, Wang Yuyan (???), and son, Lin Feng (??), told Human
> Rights in China (HRIC) that the trial in the Jiaojiang District
> People=92s Court in Taizhou lasted about two hours. They were not
> permitted to attend. They said they waited with other petitioners
> outside the courtroom and heard Lin vigorously defending himself.
> According to one of Lin=92s lawyers, the judge announced the ruling and
> sentence orally, and the court will issue a written decision within
> five days.
>
> Lin is a core member of the Nationwide Property Owners of
> State-maintained Rental Houses (???????), a group seeking the return
> of what is known as =93state-maintained rental houses=94 (???). In 1956,
> as part of what it called the =93socialist transformation=94 of the
> country, the Chinese government took over privately-owned houses and
> began renting them out, giving the original owners 20-40 percent of
> the rent as compensation. The government stopped paying the owners in
> 1966, the year the Cultural Revolution began. Since the late 1970s,
> owners of those houses have been asking for their properties back and
> have met with resistance.
>
> Lin was first detained on June 11, 2009. The authorities accused him
> of illegally possessing the =93Notice Regarding the Appropriate Handling
> of =91State-Maintained Rental Houses,=92=94 a 2006 directive from the
> Ministry of Housing and Urban-Rural Development instructing the
> relevant local and provincial government bureaus to keep these houses
> as state properties, and to =93intensify=94 the monitoring of petitioners=
> ,
> particularly those organized in groups, so that they can be
> =93controlled.=94 The directive also states that without permission by th=
> e
> Ministry of Construction and the Party=92s Central Propaganda
> Department, reporting and any interviews on issues relating to the
> =93state-maintained rental houses=94 are forbidden.
>
> =93In 2007, the Chinese legislature adopted the Property Law, which
> guarantees the protection of private property,=94 said Sharon Hom, HRIC
> executive director. =93But instead of implementing the law, the
> authorities are punishing private property owners seeking to assert
> their rights. This raises serious questions about whose property
> rights are being protected.=94
>
> For more information on Lin Dagang, see:
> Human Rights in China, =93Examples of Cases Involving Charges Related to
> State Secrets from 2007 to Present,=94 July 24, 2009
>
> Or this?
>
> Rights Activist Beaten and Detained Following Protest
> October 29, 2009
>
> Human Rights in China (HRIC) has learned that Shen Peilan (???), a
> Shanghai-based forced-evictions petitioner, has been detained. Shen=92s
> husband, Cai Jingcheng(???), told HRIC that Shen was taken away from
> their home at 3:00 p.m. on October 29 by officers from the public
> security bureau of Maqiao Township in Pudong New Area, Shanghai. Based
> on information provided by Shen before her detention, she was beaten
> by police officers on October 27 when she went to visit rights defense
> lawyer Zheng Enchong (???). Shen had participated in a rally on
> Nanjing Road in Shanghai on October 23, 2009, to protest the
> conviction of another Shanghai petitioner, Duan Chunfang (???), who
> had been sentenced to 18 months in prison. Prior to that, just before
> October 1, Shen went to Beijing.
>
> Cai told HRIC that the police at Maqiao Township public security
> bureau said that Shen is forbidden to go to Beijing, and that she was
> being detained for ten days for =93disturbing public order.=94 Cai said
> that the police refused to give him any official documentation
> regarding the detention.=20
>
> Shen began petitioning the authorities in 2003 after her home in the
> Dongbakuai neighborhood in Jing=92an District, Shanghai was demolished
> to make way for development. A friend of Zheng Enchong and his wife
> Jiang Meili, Shen subsequently signed Charter 08 and has repeatedly
> been harassed by the authorities and prevented from attending church.
> On May 24, 2009, before the 20th anniversary of the June Fourth
> government crackdown on the 1989 Democracy Movement, Shen, according
> to a written account she provided to HRIC, was surrounded by four or
> five men dressed in camouflage and taken away in a van. She was then
> taken to an unidentified detention facility =96 a =93black jail=94 =96 an=
> d
> kept there for 25 days. On May 23, 2008, during the Olympic torch
> relay in Shanghai, Shen was beaten by four unidentified men.
>
> Zheng Enchong began protesting the forced eviction from his home in
> the Dongbakuai neighborhood of Shanghai in the late 1990s. A rights
> defense lawyer based in Shanghai, and a signer of Charter 08, Zheng
> served a three-year prison term in 2003-2006 for =93providing state
> secrets overseas.=94 Upon his release on June 5, 2006, he was put under
> de facto house arrest and since then has been subjected to
> restrictions on his personal freedom, beatings by authorities, and
> harassment.
> ************************************************
>
> None of this is happening? This is just all made up? Maybe it's time
> YOU faced reality. The CCP is committing crimes against humanity,
> specifically against their own Han population as well as the ethnic
> minorities. They are criminals that will be brought to justice. I'm
> ready to buy my seat in the gallery at the ICC. Bring it on! Will I
> see you there too? Will you be standing in solidarity with the CCP
> criminals?
>
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Peter Terpstra
> One common misconception.
> In reality, the uighurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang.
I guess you will say: "There have Always lived many Han Chinese since
centuries, there has never been any Han migration."
Yes, that's the official CCP line, they Deny.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/China_denies_Han_migration_hurts_ethnic_minorities_999.html
That's how Chinese politics mess up the world.
P.
Peter Terpstra
a686-4670-84d...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> :
[...]
> So continue your posting because CCP still needs to your voices to
> improve herself. Haha!
Okay, thanks for your long extended answer.
I'm not good in writing long posts :-)
Many people wrote books about China but none as big as China IS.
Kind Regards,
Anti-DabianchenVirus
come forth in jubilation to support this claim of yours that Taiwan is
yours? They all despise you, because you are nothing other than a
pathological LIAR!!
On Nov 12, 5:17 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
> > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
report2009
he exposed your racist act in November 2007 so you want revenge for
the rest of your life? What a pathetic creature!
On Nov 12, 5:43 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
come forth in jubilation to support this claim of yours that Taiwan is
nothing other than a pathological LIAR!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
> > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequoted text -
report2009
lies for the rest of your life? What a pathetic creature! Go see a
shrink, you are mentally ill!
On Nov 12, 8:17 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Your Taiwan, ugly puta Meichi? Why hasn't any Chinese from Taiwan ever
> come forth in jubilation to support this claim of yours that Taiwan is
> yours? They all despise you, because they all know that you are
> nothing other than a pathological LIAR!!
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
> > > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequotedtext -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
Couldn't answer my question, could you, ugly puta abianchen/Meichi?
Why? Because you were caught lying - yet again!
> > > > > > Amnesty International Report 2009 on China:http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/asia-pacific/china-Hidequote...-
report2009
he exposed your racist act in November 2007 so you want revenge with
lies for the rest of your life? What a pathetic creature! Go see a
shrink, you are mentally ill!
On Nov 12, 8:40 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
Anti-DabianchenVirus
report2009
live in Taipei and graduated from Chinese Culture University, Taipei,
but how come you don't understand the following Chinese sentence:
喂 Psycho Xangdi 屁精! 甘霖老木賽羚羊! 聽不懂吧?! 好爽! 哈哈!
Oops, psycho Xangdi is going to repost his stolen Filipino girl's
photo to "prove" (frame actually) abianchen is "Filipino whore Meichi"
for revenge. Abianchen has become the most important person in his
life. Psycho Xangdi even calls himself "Virus for Dabian". Can you
believe it?!
On Nov 12, 8:48 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...
Anti-DabianchenVirus
you launch into your repeated insult of him in Chinese by cutting-and-
pasting your usual childish trash. What does that make you? Are you
trying to show someone that you can cut-and -paste Chinese phrases?
Bwahahaha!! What a pathetic moron you are!
Your ignorance and lack of education stem from the simple fact that
you are hard headed and suffer from a serious case of learning
disability. You think that education is just learning a few lines by
heart and copying others' works, and that knowledge is contained in a
nutshell called Google. That's why you are so ignorant, and you will
remain so ignorant. Yes, ugly as Hell too.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...- Hide quoted text -
report2009
live in Taipei and graduated from Chinese Culture University, Taipei,
but how come you don't understand the following Chinese sentence:
喂 Psycho Xangdi 屁精! 甘霖老木賽羚羊! 聽不懂吧?! 好爽! 哈哈!
Oops, psycho Xangdi is going to repost his stolen Filipino girl's
photo to "prove" (frame actually) abianchen is "Filipino whore Meichi"
for revenge. Abianchen has become the most important person in his
life. Psycho Xangdi even calls himself "Virus for Dabian". Can you
believe it?!
On Nov 12, 8:59 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Ah Beng Kiasu
> I seemed to miss the part where you spoke about suppression of free
> speech, torture, false imprisonment etc.
Yes. You live in a world of delusion, believing in bias western
spins, China bashing reports, repeating things that happened
long ago (in Mao's era) as if they are still rampant in China.
You will not hear such bias reports from people who live
in the real world, in the world of realities.
Yes. China do not give the people who are bend on toppling
the Beijing government, (like the Falungong, the exiled Tibetans.
the CIA paid local agents) and those who are bend on
creating social unrest, unlimited air time to spread their
poisons, and to create riots in China.
Only fools will give free reign to the enemy of the country
to harm its people, to topple its government, to create social
unrest, to replace its leaders with US appointed puppets.
The Chinese are no fools.
Even in the USA, Americans are denied unlimited free
speech. Eg. in the last election politicians were not heard
because they did not have millions to buy air time on national
TV.
In the USA, the voices of the poor Americans are
gagged and not listened to. It took, a hundred years
for the voices of those millions of uninsured Americans
(46 millions now) to be heard by Obama.
Torture? Obviously you have not heard about
water boarding, about secret CIA jails, and about
healthy young prisoners dying prematurely in US
jail.
In China, the prison guards are good people, who
would beat the shit out of the bad people; the traitors,
evil politicians, rioters who kill, murderers, rapists....
for the good of China. These bad guys deserve the
beatings.
Lessons to be learned : "be good, don't be evil, and
don't be bad. No harm will come to you"