Congratulations China ... sixty years of poverty, misery, and oppression
ralph
A quarter of the planets population still living under the slavery of
this one-party workers "paradise" where they are nothing but fodder
for the glorious revolution.
No wonder the Communist party doesn't dare hold free elections ... the
heartless geriatric fascists who illegitimately control the PRC
government would lose power in a minute.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/black-hole-of-china-20091002-gggl.html
The people of Shanxi, a province famous in China for its deadly coal
mines and toxic air, have had enough.
"We don't want blood-tainted GDP," Fu Sufen, a mother and taxi driver,
says in the provincial capital, Taiyuan.
One statistic China failed to mention in the week's 60th anniversary
celebrations is that more than a quarter of a million Chinese workers
have died in coal mines since 1949.
rst0wxyz
yourself how happy the Chinese people are in their country.
Seon
one's who aren't happy are sent to concentration camps. Thank God Australia
will never see that kind of tyranny.
"rst0wxyz" <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ralph
wrote:
>You have no idea what you are talking about. Go to China and see for
>yourself how happy the Chinese people are in their country.
>
Yes we remember how happy they were after the Tiananmen Square
massacre.
Now they wouldn't dare say they are not happy or they might get
shipped off for some government 're-education" or rolled over by
tanks.
Without free elections, the PRC government has no legitimacy.
rst0wxyz
> They are happy because they have been brainwashed by their media. And the
> one's who aren't happy are sent to concentration camps. Thank God Australia
> will never see that kind of tyranny.
Yes, just like the western media brainwashing you people. This is all
you can think of, that China is a dictatorship, and nobody likes
dictatorship!!!
Maybe there are some who would prefer dictatorship with peace and
stability than hunger and starvation.
>
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
rst0wxyz
> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:18:29 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >You have no idea what you are talking about. Go to China and see for
> >yourself how happy the Chinese people are in their country.
>
> Yes we remember how happy they were after the Tiananmen Square
> massacre.
Tiananmen was a CIA planned and staged event, and the Chinese students
were stooges who didn't know any better. Besides, how many people
were there compare to the number of people in China? Not even .01% of
the population.
>
> Now they wouldn't dare say they are not happy or they might get
> shipped off for some government 're-education" or rolled over by
> tanks.
Like I said, go to China and see for yourself. China is opened to all
tourist.
>
> Without free elections, the PRC government has no legitimacy.
China doesn't need election. It's government is doing fine. The
people are for it.
>
>
>
bringyagrogalong
> ralph <cuckold...@i.hate.my.stinking.greedy.kids.com> waffled:
> >
> > Sixty years of death and state-sponsored oppression.
>
Tell us something that everybody here doesn't already know. LOL
Ralph's full of clichés and hasn't had an original thought in his
life.
> Go to China and see for yourself how happy the Chinese people are in their country.
Ralph's never left Australia, in fact he's never ventured outside the
trailer park he resides in. Which explains his narrow views and hatred
of communists, Muslims and Australian aboriginals.
rst0wxyz
Well, that is the very reason the west is having such a problem with
Muslims. You don't understand, and you don't have any regard to other
human beings. That is what you call "self-righteousness" and degrade
others regardless of their conditions.
olde.sault
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Happy" you say?
Well, some Chinese might be, those who took jobs from Australians
after Whitlam removed tariffs from imported goods.
Whitlam wanted broze statues of himself, however, that didn't come to
pass although a Liverpool centre still groans bearing his name.
KRudd has like-dreams but his dreams are greater, he wants statues of
himself all over the world!
The Great White Carbon Emissions Extinguisher!
OS
olde.sault
>
> - Show quoted text -
You are a lunatic - similar to your name!
OS
rst0wxyz
yeah, yeah olde sault. You are an olde sausage, I see. You've been
in a barrel too long. You don't know what's going on, do you?
rst0wxyz
Well, like I said, you're an olde sausage. You've been in a barrel
too long. You're too stale.
Seon
"rst0wxyz" <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 2, 7:30 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> They are happy because they have been brainwashed by their media. And the
>> one's who aren't happy are sent to concentration camps. Thank God
>> Australia
>> will never see that kind of tyranny.
>
> Yes, just like the western media brainwashing you people. This is all
> you can think of, that China is a dictatorship, and nobody likes
> dictatorship!!!
>
China, North Korea, Cuba, any country that doesn't give its people free
speech is tyrannical. Tell me do you really think it is a good thing that
you aren't allowed to criticise your government?
And I am not "Brainwashed" but at least in Australia I have the freedom to
say John Howard is a lying son of a bitch or that Americans have the freedom
to call for Bush to be impeached. Or no its indicted. Thank God he is gone.
> Maybe there are some who would prefer dictatorship with peace and
> stability than hunger and starvation.
>
How does that make you sane? Under a dictatorship you would not have the
freedom to criticise the government. You wouldn't have freedom of religion
or freedom of the media.
HD
"Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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government can stop the Iraqi killing each other?
ralph
wrote:
>On Oct 2, 7:35�pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:18:29 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >You have no idea what you are talking about. �Go to China and see for
>> >yourself how happy the Chinese people are in their country.
>>
>> Yes we remember how happy they were after the Tiananmen Square
>> massacre.
>
>Tiananmen was a CIA planned and staged event, and the Chinese students
>were stooges who didn't know any better. Besides, how many people
>were there compare to the number of people in China? Not even .01% of
>the population.
>
Irrelevant ... it was still a state-sponsored massacre.
>>
>> Now they wouldn't dare say they are not happy or they might get
>> shipped off for some government 're-education" or rolled over by
>> tanks.
>
>Like I said, go to China and see for yourself. China is opened to all
>tourist.
>
Idiot ... what makes you so sure I haven't already been there?
>>
>> Without free elections, the PRC government has no legitimacy.
>
>China doesn't need election. It's government is doing fine. The
>people are for it.
>
Without an election, you can't possibly know if the people are for it.
The people know the government will kill them if they protest.
ralph
wrote:
>On Oct 2, 8:22�pm, bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>> rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > ralph <cuckold...@i.hate.my.stinking.greedy.kids.com> waffled:
>>
>> > > Sixty years of death and state-sponsored oppression.
>>
>> > You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>
>> Tell us something that everybody here doesn't already know. �LOL
>>
>> Ralph's full of clich�s and hasn't had an original thought in his
>> life.
>>
>> > Go to China and see for yourself how happy the Chinese people are in their country.
>>
>> Ralph's never left Australia, in fact he's never ventured outside the
>> trailer park he resides in. Which explains his narrow views and hatred
>> of communists, Muslims and Australian aboriginals.
>
>Well, that is the very reason the west is having such a problem with
>Muslims. You don't understand, and you don't have any regard to other
>human beings. That is what you call "self-righteousness" and degrade
>others regardless of their conditions.
What irony ... from a puppet who doesn't think Chinese are smart
enough to elect their own government.
ralph
wrote:
>On Oct 2, 7:30�pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> They are happy because they have been brainwashed by their media. And the
>> one's who aren't happy are sent to concentration camps. Thank God Australia
>> will never see that kind of tyranny.
>
>Yes, just like the western media brainwashing you people. This is all
>you can think of, that China is a dictatorship, and nobody likes
>dictatorship!!!
>
>Maybe there are some who would prefer dictatorship with peace and
>stability than hunger and starvation.
>
Maybe.
Why not hold an election and prove it.
Until then, you are just spouting Chinese government fascist bullshit.
Seon
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Iraq is a democracy?
And I never said we were perfect. But if you lived in China and said that
you would be taken to a re education camp or something like that.
HD
Sure, and just accross the road they have an American sponsored
democracy like this:
http://www.pinoyhr.net/
Seon
"HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Then there is Saudi Barbaia. Its "ally"
bringyagrogalong
> rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> They are happy because they have been brainwashed by their media. And the
> >> one's who aren't happy are sent to concentration camps. Thank God Australia
> >> will never see that kind of tyranny.
>
> > Yes, just like the western media brainwashing you people. This is all
> > you can think of, that China is a dictatorship, and nobody likes
> > dictatorship!!!
>
> > Maybe there are some who would prefer dictatorship with peace and
> > stability than hunger and starvation.
>
> Maybe.
>
> Why not hold an election and prove it.
What's the point.
Hamas had one, and a lot of anti-democratic countries didn't accept
the outcome.
wusong
recount? Like in the democratic countries of Iran and Afghanistan?
On Oct 3, 12:37 am, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:53:10 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
abia...@my-deja.com
you google for facts before posting?
Iran’s last presidential election was a big fraud, a big joke.
“Iran’s most powerful oversight council announced on Monday that the
number of votes recorded in 50 cities exceeded the number of eligible
voters there by three million, further tarnishing a presidential
election that has set off the most sustained challenge to Iran’s
leadership in 30 years.”
So how to do recount? Wake up the dead or do human cloning to make up
3 million voters in a week?
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
renounced your own ethnic group and your gender to become "a guy from
Taiwan"? Must be because of your failed sex-change operation that made
you look like this, huh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/
. Did you get your plastic surgeon from Google as well?
Bwahahahahaha!!
On Oct 3, 4:31 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
B J Foster
> On Oct 2, 7:35 pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:18:29 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You have no idea what you are talking about. Go to China and see for
>>> yourself how happy the Chinese people are in their country.
>> Yes we remember how happy they were after the Tiananmen Square
>> massacre.
>
> Tiananmen was a CIA planned and staged event, and the Chinese students
> were stooges who didn't know any better. Besides, how many people
> were there compare to the number of people in China? Not even .01% of
> the population.
Izzat so? I suppose that the soldiers who shot them knew better.
>
>> Now they wouldn't dare say they are not happy or they might get
>> shipped off for some government 're-education" or rolled over by
>> tanks.
>
> Like I said, go to China and see for yourself. China is opened to all
> tourist.
And get locked up if I sneeze? No way!
>
>> Without free elections, the PRC government has no legitimacy.
>
> China doesn't need election. It's government is doing fine. The
> people are for it.
How would you know?
>
>>
>>
abia...@my-deja.com
reporters without permission were sent away so the rest of victims
know they could not complain but simply accepted the settlement
whatever the government provided. No complaint! That’s happy China!!!
Haha!
As for coal mining disasters, China holds the title “worst coal mining
disasters in the world”. Now here’s the link “Coal mining: Most deadly
job in China” from Chinese news media so you CCP followers can not
blame western media:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/13/content_391242.htm
“China produced 35 percent of the world's coal last year, but reported
80 percent of the total deaths in coal mine accidents, according to
statistics with the State Administration of Work Safety (SAWS). “
To Rusty Old Fool, those faces in the pictures are still happy faces.
Oh China does not need "re-education camp" just send those political
prisoners to do coal mining.
Anti-DabianchenVirus
renounced your own ethnic group and your gender to become "a guy from
Taiwan"? Must be because of your failed sex-change operation that made
you look like this, huh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/
. Did you get your plastic surgeon from Google as well?
Bwahahahahaha!!
On Oct 3, 5:25 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
rst0wxyz
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> speech is tyrannical. Tell me do you really think it is a good thing that
> you aren't allowed to criticise your government?
Like I said before, you guys are brainwashed by western journalists
and the media, and the western journalists and the news media are the
biggest propaganda tools of the western world. Why don't you go to
China and see for yourself how free China is. China is opened to all
tourists.
> And I am not "Brainwashed" but at least in Australia I have the freedom to
> say John Howard is a lying son of a bitch or that Americans have the freedom
> to call for Bush to be impeached. Or no its indicted. Thank God he is gone.
>
> > Maybe there are some who would prefer dictatorship with peace and
> > stability than hunger and starvation.
>
> How does that make you sane?
I am sane because I returned to the village where I was born and
talked to the villages I used to know. I know the people in the
village are happy with the current government. And they do not want
to criticize them. They can talk as freely as they want.
> Under a dictatorship you would not have the
> freedom to criticise the government. You wouldn't have freedom of religion
> or freedom of the media.
Like I said before, you guys are brainwashed by western journalists
and the media, and the western journalists and the news media are the
biggest propaganda tools of the western world. Why don't you go to
China and see for yourself how free China is. China is opened to all
tourists.
rst0wxyz
> "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>
> news:UkCxm.44954$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > government can stop the Iraqi killing each other?
>
> Iraq is a democracy?
> And I never said we were perfect. But if you lived in China and said that
> you would be taken to a re education camp or something like that.
Pure propaganda. Go to China and see for yourself, especially, go to
the villages and see the ordinary people who lives in China.
rst0wxyz
> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 2, 7:30 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> They are happy because they have been brainwashed by their media. And the
> >> one's who aren't happy are sent to concentration camps. Thank God Australia
> >> will never see that kind of tyranny.
>
> >Yes, just like the western media brainwashing you people. This is all
> >you can think of, that China is a dictatorship, and nobody likes
> >dictatorship!!!
>
> >Maybe there are some who would prefer dictatorship with peace and
> >stability than hunger and starvation.
>
> Maybe.
>
> Why not hold an election and prove it.
Did Afghanistan's recent election prove anything? Why let crooks take
advantage of the ordinary people who may not want turmoil and
stability over what you called "free election"? Did the 2000 election
of George Bush show what election does?
>
> Until then, you are just spouting Chinese government fascist bullshit.
Just look at China's recent progress!!! You can't deny success when
you see one!!! Why let this "free election" ruin it?
rst0wxyz
> you google for facts before posting?
Also a good question for you. And your ignorance is showing from
every word coming out of see.
And also reveal yourself as to who you are. You are nothing but a
perpetual lying bitch. You are also denying your own existence in
this world.
rst0wxyz
> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:57:45 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Tiananmen was a CIA planned and staged event, and the Chinese students
> >were stooges who didn't know any better. Besides, how many people
> >were there compare to the number of people in China? Not even .01% of
> >the population.
>
> Irrelevant ... it was still a state-sponsored massacre.
How many people were killed? No one knows. You only have
speculations to the number of people killed.
What the the killing at Kent State? At least we know how many were
killed. Weren't that state sponsored massacre also?
>
> >Like I said, go to China and see for yourself. China is opened to all
> >tourist.
>
> Idiot ... what makes you so sure I haven't already been there?
Because of your ignorance, see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no
evil of the west, but all evil in the east.
>
> >China doesn't need election. It's government is doing fine. The
> >people are for it.
>
> Without an election, you can't possibly know if the people are for it.
Did Afghanistan recent election prove anything? How about the 2000
election of George Bush as president?
Why let outsiders spoil China success when China is doing well?
>
> The people know the government will kill them if they protest.
Government in every country killed, not only China. Think about your
own country first before condemning others.
rst0wxyz
> rst0wxyz wrote:
> > Tiananmen was a CIA planned and staged event, and the Chinese students
> > were stooges who didn't know any better. Besides, how many people
> > were there compare to the number of people in China? Not even .01% of
> > the population.
>
> Izzat so? I suppose that the soldiers who shot them knew better.
Did the soldiers know any better at Kent State when they opened fire
on the students? Soldiers take order, otherwise, they wouldn't be
soldiers.
> > Like I said, go to China and see for yourself. China is opened to all
> > tourist.
>
> And get locked up if I sneeze? No way!
I see, you're afraid of your own shadow. That explains it.
>
>
>
> >> Without free elections, the PRC government has no legitimacy.
>
> > China doesn't need election. It's government is doing fine. The
> > people are for it.
>
> How would you know?
China's recent successes tell not only me, but the whole world.
rst0wxyz
> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:39:35 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >Well, that is the very reason the west is having such a problem with
> >Muslims. You don't understand, and you don't have any regard to other
> >human beings. That is what you call "self-righteousness" and degrade
> >others regardless of their conditions.
>
> What irony ...
Yes, ironic, isn't it? The western powers soldiers killed and
destroyed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam with all-god's almighty,
and still, can not subdue the common people with a rifle. Just think
about it for a while. What irony!!!
> from a puppet who doesn't think Chinese are smart
> enough to elect their own government.
Like I said, why spoil success when they have it? Aren't you
satisfied when the cup is full? or would you rather go hungry and
starve? Think about it. What good are elections when you are hungry
and dying from starvation?
Recognize success when you see it, and China is having its success
now. So don't spoil it.
rst0wxyz
> reporters without permission were sent away so the rest of victims
> know they could not complain but simply accepted the settlement
> whatever the government provided. No complaint! That’s happy China!!!
> Haha!
>
> As for coal mining disasters, China holds the title “worst coal mining
> disasters in the world”. Now here’s the link “Coal mining: Most deadly
> job in China” from Chinese news media so you CCP followers can not
> blame western media:
>
> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/13/content_391242.htm
>
> “China produced 35 percent of the world's coal last year, but reported
> 80 percent of the total deaths in coal mine accidents, according to
> statistics with the State Administration of Work Safety (SAWS). “
>
> To Rusty Old Fool, those faces in the pictures are still happy faces.
abianchen cunt/slut, you are just a foul-mouth idiot with the smallest
mind in the world. You can not accept yourself as you are, why should
anyone else accept any of your garbage you little all over
soc.culture.china. Clean yourself up first, and accept who you are.
You are nothing but a foul mouth ill-mannered perpetual lying bitch.
rst0wxyz
> On Oct 3, 5:25 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The victims from last year’s earthquake in Sichuan China spoke to news
> > reporters without permission were sent away so the rest of victims
> > know they could not complain but simply accepted the settlement
> > whatever the government provided. No complaint! That’s happy China!!!
> > Haha!
>
> > As for coal mining disasters, China holds the title “worst coal mining
> > disasters in the world”. Now here’s the link “Coal mining: Most deadly
> > job in China” from Chinese news media so you CCP followers can not
> > blame western media:
>
> >http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/13/content_391242.htm
>
> > “China produced 35 percent of the world's coal last year, but reported
> > 80 percent of the total deaths in coal mine accidents, according to
> > statistics with the State Administration of Work Safety (SAWS). “
>
> > To Rusty Old Fool, those faces in the pictures are still happy faces.
>
> abianchen cunt/slut, you are just a foul-mouth idiot with the smallest
> mind in the world. You can not accept yourself as you are, why should
> anyone else accept any of your garbage you little all over
anyone else accept any of your garbage you littered all over
rst0wxyz
> On Oct 3, 4:31 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Psycho Xangdi, why are you so ignorant like Rusty Old Fool. Why can’t
> > you google for facts before posting?
>
Also a good question for you. And your ignorance is showing from
> every word coming out of see.
every word coming out of you.
Kangaroo Court Australia
>> "I don't care what you fuckers think".
>
Australia's de facto Bill of Rights (HREOCA1986) under threat from a
Corrupt, Racist White nation
Inquiry into Access to Justice.d.web.pdf
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2aSuWg5-JMZMGFlNzNjYzAtZjE5ZC00YzNlLTg0ZjQtOWUxN2M3YTRjZjkw&hl=en
Letter to Mr Charles Pham.web.pdf
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2aSuWg5-JMZNzY2YjNhNDYtZTkzYi00NmE0LWJhZWMtOGNhYTQ4ZDZiMTUx&hl=en
Senate.Enquiries.update.31July2009.web.pdf
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2aSuWg5-JMZNTk3OGU2NGQtYTc2MS00ZjI3LTlkZTItZDliMzAyMWI0ZjJl&hl=en
Judicial corruption exposes institutionalised racism that reaches all
up the way to the High Court Australia. An officer of the Royal
Australian Navy is left without medical care as he was harassed
victimised and unlawfully discriminated against as he exposed unsafe
working conditions in the Navy, that put public safety and lives at
risk.
He approached HREOC with a complaint under HREOCA1986 and RDA1975;
what he found was institutional racism, coverup and perverting of the
Human Rights Act, violating Australia's obligation under International
Treaties ICCPR and ICERD. The president of HREOC, John von Doussa
violated HREOAC1986 in refusing to investigate his White mates, and
then refusing to terminate the complaints so that it can be heard in
the Federal Courts.
More institutionalised racism occurred at the Administrative Appeals
Tribunal, where Senior Member John Handley proceeded to pervert
justice by fabricating documents and evidence.
Questions of Law will be asked of the validity of the HREOAC1986 and
RDA1975 as the Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee,
chair and co-chair, Senators Barnett and Crossin indicated that
Inquiries into Access to Justice, Australia's Legal System and the
Role of Judges should not be of assistance to Australian Citizens of
ethnic backgrounds.
Institutionalised racism and corruption in the Judiciary have made
political prisoners of Aborigines such as Lex Wotton, dogwhistled to
corrupt police leading to Black Deaths in Custody, putting public
health and safety in jeopardy, and allowing a four (4) year old
Aborigines girl to die after having been refused medical care at a Qld
hospital, political assasination of Phuong Ngo, political assasination
of Frederick Toben.
They set them up to fail and when they fail, they call them inferior
and lock them up.
Racist and corrupt White nation inciting racial hatred and Black
Deaths in Custody, reduce the Black Man to fight for his basic human
rights
The High Court Australia has been labelled racist by Justice Michael
Kirby. The Australian Michael Pelley called the High Court racist and
hyprocrites. They are so afraid of the HREOCA1986, because even the
High Court Australia must obey an Act of Parliament.
Corrupt and racist Judiciary will fight with all its might and means
to deprive us of HREOCA1986, to deprive us of Habeas Corpus as we file
such writs for Lex Wotton, Phuong Ngo, and Frederick Toben. We might
not like their politics or ethnicity, but their loss of judicial
independence and fairness, and their experience of judicial abuse of
discretionary powers will greatly affect us all now and in the future.
Until Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee and Australian
Parliament secede from ICCPR and ICERD, even the High Court must obey
HREOCA1986. We must fight for HREOCA1986 even if the Corrupt changes
its name, because it is the only Bill of Rights we have."
administrator
http://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
iWitness: Judicial Corruption
http://iwitness.x24hr.com/judicial_corruption/
> If Institutionalised Racism kills, High Court Australia criminal? You
>bet
>
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Request that UN Committee on Elimination of Racism to prosecute WHITE
Racist Nations, incl Australia
Request that UN Committee on Elimination of Racism to prosecute WHITE
Racist Nations, incl Australia
Cant the Whiteman be trusted with a signed Treaty?
Come join this petition, and save American Taxpayers' dollars on
useless UN rorts that only go to fuel terrorism through their
hypocrisy and abuse of UN process, and the Universal Declaration of
Human Rights.
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<blockquote>
The Hypocrisy of the UN Human Rights Bodies continues unabated. It
seems like the western world can do no wrong, and western countries
like Australia can ride rougshod over UN Human Rights Treaties, and at
the same time can dictate to less developed nations.
REF: G/SO AUS 215/4
http://rapidshare.com/files/101392885/OHCHR.23February2008.web.pdf.html
1. Communication to: Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human
Rights on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers
2. Submitted for consideration under International Convention on the
Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
Kangaroo Court of Australia
http://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
Institutionalised Discrimination and Corruption in Australian Legal
System
Universal declaration on human rights
come join my group and help assist the OHCHR uphold its human rights
mandates
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10385581643
Below and an account of Institutionalised racism within in the
Australian Judicial System and the High Court Australia:
https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/07/435415.html
NB. i need the email address of the UN Secretary General
Torsten Schackel
Acting Secretary of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial
Discrimination
Human Rights Treaties Branch
Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights
Tel. +41.22.917.9614 - Fax +41.22.917.90.29
e-mail: tsch...@ohchr.org
Palais Wilson - 52, rue des Pâquis, CH-1201, Geneva, Switzerland
Mailing address: UNOG-OHCHR, CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland
Joyce Fucio,
Administrative Assistant
Secretariat of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial
Discrimination
Treaties and Commission Branch
Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights
Tel. +41.22.917.94.09 - Fax +41.22.917.90.22
e-mail: jfu...@ohchr.org
Palais Wilson - 52, rue des Pâquis, CH-1201, Geneva, Switzerland
Mailing address: UNOG-OHCHR, CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland
"Under Article 14 of International Convenant on the Elimination of All
Forms of Racial Discrimination, individuals can file submissions to
the International Committee on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial
Discrimination if the country has signed the UN ICERD Treaty and allow
the Committee to hear such submissions.
The Committee has a moral obligation if not a legal obligation to
investigate and make recommendations. The Committee has a moral duty
if not legal obligation to return correspondence.
REF: G/SO AUS 215/4
http://rapidshare.com/files/101392885/OHCHR.23February2008.web.pdf.html
1. Communication to: Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human
Rights on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers
2. Submitted for consideration under International Convention on the
Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
Kangaroo Court of Australia
http://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
Institutionalised Discrimination and Corruption in Australian Legal
System
The lack of correpondence from the Committee shed bad light on the UN
process as a whole and violates the Universal Declaration on Human
Rights.
We urge Mr Secretary General Mr Ban Ki-Moon to request that the
Committee carry out their duty and make Dignity and Justice for ALL
and not just some people."
</blockquote>
Australia's de facto Bill of Rights (HREOCA1986) under threat from a
Corrupt, Racist White nation
Judicial corruption exposes institutionalised racism that reaches all
up the way to the High Court Australia. An officer of the Royal
Australian Navy is left without medical care as he was harassed
victimised and unlawfully discriminated against as he exposed unsafe
working conditions in the Navy, that put public safety and lives at
risk.
He approached HREOC with a complaint under HREOCA1986 and RDA1975;
what he found was institutional racism, coverup and perverting of the
Human Rights Act, violating Australia's obligation under International
Treaties ICCPR and ICERD. The president of HREOC, John von Doussa
violated HREOAC1986 in refusing to investigate his White mates, and
then refusing to terminate the complaints so that it can be heard in
the Federal Courts.
More institutionalised racism occurred at the Administrative Appeals
Tribunal, where Senior Member John Handley proceeded to pervert
justice by fabricating documents and evidence.
Questions of Law will be asked of the validity of the HREOAC1986 and
RDA1975 as the Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee,
chair and co-chair, Senators Barnett and Crossin indicated that
Inquiries into Access to Justice, Australia's Legal System and the
Role of Judges should not be of assistance to Australian Citizens of
ethnic backgrounds.
Institutionalised racism and corruption in the Judiciary have made
political prisoners of Aborigines such as Lex Wotton, dogwhistled to
corrupt police leading to Black Deaths in Custody, putting public
health and safety in jeopardy, and allowing a four (4) year old
Aborigines girl to die after having been refused medical care at a Qld
hospital, political assasination of Phuong Ngo, political assasination
of Frederick Toben.
They set them up to fail and when they fail, they call them inferior
and lock them up.
Racist and corrupt White nation inciting racial hatred and Black
Deaths in Custody, reduce the Black Man to fight for his basic human
rights
The High Court Australia has been labelled racist by Justice Michael
Kirby. The Australian Michael Pelley called the High Court racist and
hyprocrites. They are so afraid of the HREOCA1986, because even the
High Court Australia must obey an Act of Parliament.
Corrupt and racist Judiciary will fight with all its might and means
to deprive us of HREOCA1986, to deprive us of Habeas Corpus as we file
such writs for Lex Wotton, Phuong Ngo, and Frederick Toben. We might
not like their politics or ethnicity, but their loss of judicial
independence and fairness, and their experience of judicial abuse of
discretionary powers will greatly affect us all now and in the future.
Until Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee and Australian
Parliament secede from ICCPR and ICERD, even the High Court must obey
HREOCA1986. We must fight for HREOCA1986 even if the Corrupt changes
its name, because it is the only Bill of Rights we have."
administrator
http://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
iWitness: Judicial Corruption
http://iwitness.x24hr.com/judicial_corruption/
...
-----------------------------------------
why little Johnnie Winston Coward Howard?
why must you cover up for your crooked white mates like crooked high
court judges French, Hayne, Gummow and Crennan JJ ?
Senate Enquiries: Whitewash
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/legcon_ctte/judicial_system/in...
iWitness: Judicial Corruption Australia
http://iwitness.x24hr.com/judicial_corruption/index.php?/topic/2217-y...
Heres a Documentary on how these corrupt judges conspire to pervert
justice and fabricate documents, include the newly appointed Chief
Justice Robert Stenton French
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyj_gWqdDWQ
The little Johnnie Winston Coward Howard neverending Magic Pudding
therapy,
where feckin white pedophiles with the nerve to accuse blackfellas !!!
Crooked racist white Australia ^^
http://iwitness.x24hr.com/judicial_corruption/index.php
http://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyj_gWqdDWQ&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/user/fightKangarooCourts
B J Foster
> On Oct 2, 10:30 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> China, North Korea, Cuba, any country that doesn't give its people free
>> speech is tyrannical. Tell me do you really think it is a good thing that
>> you aren't allowed to criticise your government?
>
> Like I said before, you guys are brainwashed by western journalists
> and the media, and the western journalists and the news media are the
> biggest propaganda tools of the western world. Why don't you go to
> China and see for yourself how free China is. China is opened to all
> tourists.
>
>> And I am not "Brainwashed" but at least in Australia I have the freedom to
>> say John Howard is a lying son of a bitch or that Americans have the freedom
>> to call for Bush to be impeached. Or no its indicted. Thank God he is gone.
>>
>>> Maybe there are some who would prefer dictatorship with peace and
>>> stability than hunger and starvation.
>> How does that make you sane?
>
> I am sane because I returned to the village where I was born and
> talked to the villages I used to know. I know the people in the
> village are happy with the current government. And they do not want
> to criticize them. They can talk as freely as they want.
You're not from Tibet.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA17/050/2007/en
>
>> Under a dictatorship you would not have the
>> freedom to criticise the government. You wouldn't have freedom of religion
>> or freedom of the media.
>
> Like I said before, you guys are brainwashed by western journalists
> and the media, and the western journalists and the news media are the
> biggest propaganda tools of the western world. Why don't you go to
> China and see for yourself how free China is. China is opened to all
> tourists.
>
"In China, torture and other ill-treatment remain commonplace because
detainees have restricted access to lawyers and their family, and the
prosecution commonly relies on confessions as a form of evidence"
(Amnesty International)
http://tinyurl.com/uglyfaceofchina
Have fun trying to discredit Amnesty.
B J Foster
> On Oct 3, 4:58 am, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> rst0wxyz wrote:
>>> Tiananmen was a CIA planned and staged event, and the Chinese students
>>> were stooges who didn't know any better. Besides, how many people
>>> were there compare to the number of people in China? Not even .01% of
>>> the population.
>> Izzat so? I suppose that the soldiers who shot them knew better.
>
> Did the soldiers know any better at Kent State when they opened fire
> on the students? Soldiers take order, otherwise, they wouldn't be
> soldiers.
Ignorant idiot. Kent city was in a state of emergency. The ROTC building
had been burned down in front of 1000 cheering protestors. The *legal*
basis for the shooting is not disputed by anyone.
That it was wrong is also not disputed by anyone. Students were
protesting because Nixon promised to end the Vietnam war and had entered
Cambodia. No-one disputes that excessive force was used. The strikes
expanded nationwide and the authorities were universally condemned. The
press never let up criticising the authorities and ultimately Nixon was
kicked out.
In contrast, no legality underpins the Tiananmen square massacre, since
there is no elected government in China. Not four but *hundreds* of
students were killed. There was no state of emergency - soldiers were
simply ordered to mow down innocent protestors. The Tiananmen strikes
did not expand nationwide because of the universal fear of what the
dictators controlling China might do.
No-one has been brought to account for the Tiananmen square massacre.
For all we know, the murderers are still in power and still in the PLA.
For all we know, the inhuman bastard who gave the order received a
promotion. Maybe you report to him?
>
>>> Like I said, go to China and see for yourself. China is opened to all
>>> tourist.
>> And get locked up if I sneeze? No way!
>
> I see, you're afraid of your own shadow. That explains it.
No, it means that I read the travel advisories and act accordingly.
>
>>
>>
>>>> Without free elections, the PRC government has no legitimacy.
>>> China doesn't need election. It's government is doing fine. The
>>> people are for it.
>> How would you know?
>
> China's recent successes tell not only me, but the whole world.
>
Hitler's Germany was a great economic success too.
B J Foster
> On Oct 2, 11:55 pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:39:35 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Well, that is the very reason the west is having such a problem with
>>> Muslims. You don't understand, and you don't have any regard to other
>>> human beings. That is what you call "self-righteousness" and degrade
>>> others regardless of their conditions.
>> What irony ...
>
> Yes, ironic, isn't it? The western powers soldiers killed and
> destroyed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam with all-god's almighty,
> and still, can not subdue the common people with a rifle.
Afghanistan has had two elections since the Taliban were ousted. How
many elections has China had in the last 2,000 years?
> Just think
> about it for a while. What irony!!!
Sure. The US constitution guarantees the right to bear arms. Does China
even have a constitution?
>
>> from a puppet who doesn't think Chinese are smart
>> enough to elect their own government.
>
> Like I said, why spoil success when they have it? Aren't you
> satisfied when the cup is full? or would you rather go hungry and
> starve? Think about it. What good are elections when you are hungry
> and dying from starvation?
Elementary. You vote out the people who are making you hungry.
There was universal suffering and hardship during Mao's "Cultural
Revolution". Where was the opportunity to vote him out?
>
> Recognize success when you see it, and China is having its success
> now. So don't spoil it.
>
A good time to implement democracy, instead of this:
http://tinyurl.com/uglyfaceofchina
B J Foster
>>
>> To Rusty Old Fool, those faces in the pictures are still happy faces.
>
> abianchen cunt/slut, you are just a foul-mouth idiot with the smallest
> mind in the world. You can not accept yourself as you are, why should
> anyone else accept any of your garbage you little all over
> soc.culture.china. Clean yourself up first, and accept who you are.
> You are nothing but a foul mouth ill-mannered perpetual lying bitch.
You're echoing what Chinese "leaders" think of democracy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tiananmen_Square_protests.jpg
Seon
"rst0wxyz" <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:48677664-2da6-434f...@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Try protesting and see what happens.
Seon
"rst0wxyz" <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:99cdf7dc-b162-4cdc...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 2, 10:30 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> China, North Korea, Cuba, any country that doesn't give its people free
>> speech is tyrannical. Tell me do you really think it is a good thing that
>> you aren't allowed to criticise your government?
>
> Like I said before, you guys are brainwashed by western journalists
> and the media, and the western journalists and the news media are the
> biggest propaganda tools of the western world. Why don't you go to
> China and see for yourself how free China is. China is opened to all
> tourists.
>
Your the one's who are brainwashed. It's just a pity you didn't go there
before last years Olympic games.
>> And I am not "Brainwashed" but at least in Australia I have the freedom
>> to
>> say John Howard is a lying son of a bitch or that Americans have the
>> freedom
>> to call for Bush to be impeached. Or no its indicted. Thank God he is
>> gone.
>>
>> > Maybe there are some who would prefer dictatorship with peace and
>> > stability than hunger and starvation.
>>
>> How does that make you sane?
>
> I am sane because I returned to the village where I was born and
> talked to the villages I used to know. I know the people in the
> village are happy with the current government. And they do not want
> to criticize them. They can talk as freely as they want.
>
Ok so some people have been brainwashed to accept tyranny is good. But what
about the people who speak out about the Chinese government and get sent to
jail? The fascist bastards who control China tried to get Australia to
prevent some woman from speaking. The fascists even hacked into the
Melbourne film festivals website because they wanted to prevent free speech.
They even protested free speech in Australia. So don't tell me China isn't a
fascist dictatorship.
>> Under a dictatorship you would not have the
>> freedom to criticise the government. You wouldn't have freedom of
>> religion
>> or freedom of the media.
>
> Like I said before, you guys are brainwashed by western journalists
> and the media, and the western journalists and the news media are the
> biggest propaganda tools of the western world. Why don't you go to
> China and see for yourself how free China is. China is opened to all
> tourists.
>
I've been to China, it's a beautiful country. I would go again if I had the
money. But the facts are if you criticise the government you get sent to
concentration camps like what happened to a friend of the family.
Seon
"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:ha8845$5i8$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...
He's probably so brainwashed he supports the occupation of Tibet.
>>> Under a dictatorship you would not have the
>>> freedom to criticise the government. You wouldn't have freedom of
>>> religion
>>> or freedom of the media.
>>
>> Like I said before, you guys are brainwashed by western journalists
>> and the media, and the western journalists and the news media are the
>> biggest propaganda tools of the western world. Why don't you go to
>> China and see for yourself how free China is. China is opened to all
>> tourists.
>>
>
> "In China, torture and other ill-treatment remain commonplace because
> detainees have restricted access to lawyers and their family, and the
> prosecution commonly relies on confessions as a form of evidence"
> (Amnesty International)
> http://tinyurl.com/uglyfaceofchina
>
> Have fun trying to discredit Amnesty.
He probably thinks torture is good. Oh but when America does it it's bad.
Kangaroo Court Australia
total meltdown of democracy
>
> Australia's de facto Bill of Rights (HREOCA1986) under threat from a
> Corrupt, Racist White nation
>
> Inquiry into Access to Justice.d.web.pdfhttp://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2aSuWg5-JMZMGFlNzNjYzAtZjE5ZC00Y...
>
> Letter to Mr Charles Pham.web.pdfhttp://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2aSuWg5-JMZNzY2YjNhNDYtZTkzYi00N...
>
> Senate.Enquiries.update.31July2009.web.pdfhttp://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2aSuWg5-JMZNTk3OGU2NGQtYTc2MS00Z...
> iWitness: Judicial Corruptionhttp://iwitness.x24hr.com/judicial_corruption/
>
> > If Institutionalised Racism kills, High Court Australia criminal? You
> >bet
>
> >http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2137/75221326522959327217259.jpg
>
> >http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/61/logohreoc.gif
>
> ><img src="http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/61/logohreoc.gif">
>
> Request that UN Committee on Elimination of Racism to prosecute WHITE
> Racist Nations, incl Australia
>
> Request that UN Committee on Elimination of Racism to prosecute WHITE
> Racist Nations, incl Australia
>
> Cant the Whiteman be trusted with a signed Treaty?
>
> Come join this petition, and save American Taxpayers' dollars on
> useless UN rorts that only go to fuel terrorism through their
> hypocrisy and abuse of UN process, and the Universal Declaration of
> Human Rights.
>
> <a
> href="http://www.change.org/actions/view/
> request_that_un_committee_on_elimination_of_racism_to_prosecute_white_racist_nations_incl_australia">change.org</
> a>
>
> http://www.change.org/actions/view/request_that_un_committee_on_elimi...
>
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> href="http://www.change.org/actions/view/
> request_that_un_committee_on_elimination_of_racism_to_prosecute_white_racist_nations_incl_australia">Change.org</
> a>
>
> <blockquote>
> The Hypocrisy of the UN Human Rights Bodies continues unabated. It
> seems like the western world can do no wrong, and western countries
> like Australia can ride rougshod over UN Human Rights Treaties, and at
> the same time can dictate to less developed nations.
>
> REF: G/SO AUS 215/4http://rapidshare.com/files/101392885/OHCHR.23February2008.web.pdf.html
>
> 1. Communication to: Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human
> Rights on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers
>
> 2. Submitted for consideration under International Convention on the
> Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
>
> Kangaroo Court of Australiahttp://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
> Institutionalised Discrimination and Corruption in Australian Legal
> System
>
> Universal declaration on human rights
>
> come join my group and help assist the OHCHR uphold its human rights
> mandateshttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10385581643
>
> Below and an account of Institutionalised racism within in the
> Australian Judicial System and the High Court Australia:
>
> http://iwitness.x24hr.com/judicial_corruption/index.php?/topic/2880-s...
>
> https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/07/435415.html
>
> NB. i need the email address of the UN Secretary General
>
> Torsten Schackel
> Acting Secretary of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial
> Discrimination
> Human Rights Treaties Branch
> Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights
> Tel. +41.22.917.9614 - Fax +41.22.917.90.29
> e-mail: tschac...@ohchr.org
> Palais Wilson - 52, rue des Pâquis, CH-1201, Geneva, Switzerland
> Mailing address: UNOG-OHCHR, CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland
>
> Joyce Fucio,
> Administrative Assistant
> Secretariat of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial
> Discrimination
> Treaties and Commission Branch
> Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights
> Tel. +41.22.917.94.09 - Fax +41.22.917.90.22
> e-mail: jfu...@ohchr.org
> Palais Wilson - 52, rue des Pâquis, CH-1201, Geneva, Switzerland
> Mailing address: UNOG-OHCHR, CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland
>
> "Under Article 14 of International Convenant on the Elimination of All
> Forms of Racial Discrimination, individuals can file submissions to
> the International Committee on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial
> Discrimination if the country has signed the UN ICERD Treaty and allow
> the Committee to hear such submissions.
>
> The Committee has a moral obligation if not a legal obligation to
> investigate and make recommendations. The Committee has a moral duty
> if not legal obligation to return correspondence.
>
> REF: G/SO AUS 215/4http://rapidshare.com/files/101392885/OHCHR.23February2008.web.pdf.html
>
> 1. Communication to: Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human
> Rights on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers
>
> 2. Submitted for consideration under International Convention on the
> Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
>
> Kangaroo Court of Australiahttp://kangaroocourtaustralia.com
> hospital, political assasination of Phuong Ngo, ...
>
> read more »
ralph
wrote:
>On Oct 2, 11:53�pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:57:45 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Tiananmen was a CIA planned and staged event, and the Chinese students
>> >were stooges who didn't know any better. �Besides, how many people
>> >were there compare to the number of people in China? Not even .01% of
>> >the population.
>>
>> Irrelevant ... it was still a state-sponsored massacre.
>
>How many people were killed? No one knows. You only have
>speculations to the number of people killed.
>
The government-controlled press was not allowed to report on the scale
of the massacre.
How does that justify the massacre?
>What the the killing at Kent State? At least we know how many were
>killed. Weren't that state sponsored massacre also?
>
Kent State was a criminal act.
How does that justify the Tiananmen Square massacre?
>>
>> >Like I said, go to China and see for yourself. �China is opened to all
>> >tourist.
>>
>> Idiot ... what makes you so sure I haven't already been there?
>
>Because of your ignorance, see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no
>evil of the west, but all evil in the east.
>
There is plenty of "evil" in the West - we are allowed to discuss it,
criticise it, and even vote it out of power.
Chinese enjoy none of these rights ... it is a nation of one billion
sheep, controlled by a wolf in Communist clothes.
>>
>> >China doesn't need election. �It's government is doing fine. �The
>> >people are for it.
>>
>> Without an election, you can't possibly know if the people are for it.
>
>Did Afghanistan recent election prove anything? How about the 2000
>election of George Bush as president?
>
>Why let outsiders spoil China success when China is doing well?
>
A country that puts people in prison for expressing political
opposition is not "doing well".
Quite the contrary ... a country like China, that doesn't let humans
use their intellect or give their honest opinion without fear of
persecution is very very sick.
It is a nation of robots, who now only have the purpose of making
money (a little for themselves, and a lot for their unelected
leaders), with no chance to express themselves artistically or
politically, except under the watchful eye of rigid government censors
and their state-security henchmen.
>>
>> The people know the government will kill them if they protest.
>
>Government in every country killed, not only China. Think about your
>own country first before condemning others.
>
The difference is with democracy, we can, collectively, change the
people in charge if we do not like our government actions.
In China, citizens do not have this right - they are sheep.
And thus the same unelected fascists that murdered innocent people in
the 1960's Cultural Revolution, and the Tiananmen Square massacre, is
still murdering today (especially minority Uighurs, and in occupied
Tibet), or locking up citizens who dare speak out against a corrupt
and unelected Communist government.
Without holding free elections open to all political groups, you
can't possibly know if China is "doing well" because you have no way
of knowing if the current unelected and illegitimate government really
represents the views of the Chinese people.
ralph
wrote:
>Recognize success when you see it, and China is having its success
>now. So don't spoil it.
A nation of people who live like sheep, completely in fear of an
unelected oppressive government .. that is not "success" by any
measurement of human decency.
Time for China to free a billion people from the slavery of
dictatorship.
Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
*> > Certainly, although those Yellow Cowards would swear of the
contrary,
*> > none of that scum is going to be down there on the 14th, when the
*> > Mighty Southern Seas come in
*>
*> > You are right mate, they are so pitiful those unconditional
friends
*> > of Mining & Political Criminals
*>
*> i SURE hope the sea level rise holds off until AFTER next weekend
mate
*>
Dear Mr Kanga,
It will hold off till the 14th as Solemnly Commanded in stern
Application of the Divine Collective Chastisements to which Australia
at large has been legally & dutifully sentenced as consequence of its
most Heinous Collective Crimes, to wit :
1) The most heinous 10 000 Shareholders ' Swindle of the 1000
Trillions Australian Governments ( WA & Feral) Covered up Telfer Mine
Swindle
2) The most heinous Mass Murders of a 100 Australians at Port Arthur
by the last Howard Government ( Feral Govt indeed) shot all of a
bullet between the eyes by a hired FOREIGN COMMANDO PAID UNDERCOVER BY
THE BHP NEVER ACCOUNTED FOR ONE BILLION LOSS, and the ensuing Cover Up
by the SchweinHunds of the Australian Mass-MERDIAS under the crook of
the Freemacs Crooks & Traitors
I am truly fed up with the complete dereliction of duty in all those
voted into office down under, the Irrefutable Forfeiture & Denial of
Justice taking place in the Land ... AND while the fat arses, sex
smelling Parasites are sitting cozy in their Whorehouses ( Federal,
WA, Tasmanian) ONE INNOCENT YOUNG MAN IS ROTTING IN TASSE JAIL. I
've had my full back of that Political Convict Rabble to tell you the
Truth, Mate, and in full abeyance of the Powers vested to me by Our
Almighty Creator, I have decided that the DDD or Divine Drudging
Drought was not enough to bring those Evil Creatures to their knees &
hence some more drastic & terrific events are going to take place.
A bare estimate of the Fabian Bay 55ft high & 200 mile/h Tsunami
hitting round the afternoon of the 14th of October 2009 , at peak hour
then, stands at 2000 death + 10 000 injuries & over 10 Billions in
damages !
I WANT immediate then convening of a National Day of Penance in the
whole Land of Bastards, Australia .... the immediate removal of all
that Political Filth on top & the sacking of that Worthless VERMIN OF
GOVERNORS NOT DOING THEIR JOBS INDEED ( which is to regulate & control
the Convict Rabble on top) with the call under arms of the most
worthy to Public Affairs after years of Service to the Community ...
Like Mr Malcolm Fabian in South Australia, and Messrs Peter Bridge &
Sandy Knox in West Australia e.g
I WANT immediate convening of the 2 Royal Inquiries into the
abominable Collective Crimes, the immediate destruction of the
Corrupt Court Senior 's Statue in Perth & the immediate removal of
the bones + souvenirs of that Hank Longcock fraud from the Kalgoorlie
Hall of Fame !
FALLING THAT WE ARE HEADING DIRECT TO THE PROMISED 9.2 GREAT SYDNEY
QUAKE IN OCT 14TH 2010 FLATTENING THE TOWN AND DROWNING & BARBECUING 2
MILLIONS SOULS The Fabian Bay Tsunami is stern harbinger of the year
ahead great Sydney Tsunami and the mark that the Almighty is livid at
that Antipodean Scum & has put me in charge of correcting & straighted
his ways according to the Divine & Eternal Laws of Life !!!
Je Commande Et La Nature Obeit A Ma Voix
Pour le Royal Khranfauss, et par son Geste
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Founder of the True Geology
kangarooistan
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rst0wxyz
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Why should I protest when I think they are doing a great job?
rst0wxyz
All you guys think about are criticize, election, free speech,...
Haven't you guys ever heard of:
contentment?
happy to have which/what they never had before?
happy with their current government/leadership?
trust the government is doing the right thing?
And they don't want interference from outsiders?
don't want elections?
They are free to say what they wanted?
and they don't want to criticize government?
Why do you always think you are right, and they are wrong?
Couldn't you be wrong once, or maybe twice? three times?
Weren't you wrong in Vietnam? in Iraq? in Afghanistan? with the
internment of the Japanese Americans? with black slavery? with Jim
Crow? with "separate but equal" schools of the old days?...
Kangaroo Court Australia
> Modern China---Chaos, Despair and Hope
>
> |
>
> Napoleon is believed to have said: When China awakes, it will shake
> the world!
> Sunday 5pm repeated midnight Sunday and 4am Friday
>
> We've all seen the Beijing celebrations recognising 60 years since Mao
> Tse Tung's revolution. As a result, the People's Republic of China is
> emerging on to the world stage in unprecedented ways. China's becoming
> Australia's biggest trading partner, underpinning our prosperity. But
> how many Australians really understand what China's emerging from and
rst0wxyz
> "B J Foster" <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in messagenews:ha8845$5i8$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...
> He's probably so brainwashed he supports the occupation of Tibet.
What "occupation of Tibet"? Tibet was and is part of China. The CIA
was the trouble maker. Where there is smoke around the world, there
is always the CIA behind the smoke.
>
> He probably thinks torture is good. Oh but when America does it it's bad.
Talk to Dick Cheney. He'll tell you. He's big on torture.
Seon
"rst0wxyz" <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e922297d-8409-463f...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Yep a great job destroying human rights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China
Here's a charming account of the cultural revolution. Great bloke that Mao
was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao#Cultural_Revolution
Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping's prominence gradually became more powerful.
Liu and Deng, then the State President and General Secretary, respectively,
had favored the idea that Mao should be removed from actual power but
maintain his ceremonial and symbolic role, with the party upholding all of
his positive contributions to the revolution. They attempted to marginalize
Mao by taking control of economic policy and asserting themselves
politically as well.
Mao responded to Liu and Deng's movements by launching the Cultural
Revolution in 1966. Believing that certain liberal "bourgeois" elements of
society continued to threaten the socialist framework, groups of young
people known as the Red Guards struggled against authorities at all levels
of society and even set up their own tribunals. Chaos reigned over the
country, and millions were prosecuted, including a famous philosopher, Chen
Yuen. During the Cultural Revolution, the schools in China were closed and
the young intellectuals living in cities were ordered to the countryside to
be "re-educated" by the peasants, where they performed hard manual labor and
other work. The Revolution led to the destruction of much of China's
cultural heritage and the imprisonment of a huge number of Chinese citizens,
as well as creating general economic and social chaos in the country.
Millions of lives were ruined during this period, as the Cultural Revolution
pierced into every part of Chinese life, depicted by such Chinese films as
To Live, The Blue Kite and Farewell My Concubine. It is estimated that
hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, perished in the violence of the
Cultural Revolution.[42] When Mao was informed of such losses, particularly
that people had been driven to suicide, he blithely commented: "People who
try to commit suicide - don't attempt to save them! . . . China is such a
populous nation, it is not as if we cannot do without a few people."[44]
Mao greets United States President Richard Nixon during his visit to China
in 1972
Fascist punk.
Seon
"rst0wxyz" <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f8c6b034-8bf8-498c...@d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
Haven't you heard of freedom and liberty? You should try it.
And all those wars you mentioned were based on a pack of lies. But that
doesn't change the fact that you live in tyranny.
rst9
> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:52:40 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 2, 11:53 pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >How many people were killed? No one knows. You only have
> >speculations to the number of people killed.
>
> The government-controlled press was not allowed to report on the scale
> of the massacre.
In that chaotic night, even if the press were allowed to report the
number of deaths, it may not come close to what actually happened. Do
we really have an accurate accounting of Katrina Flood? the actual
number of deaths caused by the flood?
>
> How does that justify the massacre?
Once an event happens, there is no justification one way or the
other. We can only pick up the pieces and go on from there.
>
> >What the the killing at Kent State? At least we know how many were
> >killed. Weren't that state sponsored massacre also?
>
> Kent State was a criminal act.
Then why wasn't anyone prosecuted? There was no trial, no one was
held responsible, why?
>
> How does that justify the Tiananmen Square massacre?
It doesn't. It's an event that comes and goes with every day life.
James Lilley, the U.S. ambassador in China during that time, spent 27
years as a CIA agent. It was no accident he was stationed there at
that time. It was precisely planned and executed by the CIA. The CIA
was the instigator of that event.
>
> >Because of your ignorance, see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no
> >evil of the west, but all evil in the east.
>
> There is plenty of "evil" in the West - we are allowed to discuss it,
> criticise it, and even vote it out of power.
Hummm, I'd like to see you vote out "high unemployment, the Banking
crisis in the past year or so, and the auto industry" problems in the
U.S.
What about the "home-grown terrorists"? Remember Jim McVaigh, the
Okahoma City bomber? 9/11?
Are these events completely out of our hands? Can our government do
anything? Who is right, and who is wrong?
A lot of problems we just can not control regardless of how hard we
try.
>
> Chinese enjoy none of these rights ...
What rights? Why would they want to do that. They are happy, and
their successes can be seen throughout the world. Even the U.S. must
borrow trillions of dollars from China. Now, who cares about
election, free speech, criticism when they have money to spend, to
enjoy life, food to fill their stomachs. A lot of U.S. engineers are
willing to re-locate to China if they can find a job in China. They
don't care about elections, free speech, criticism,... They's gladly
take a job in China and become a sheep as you called them.
>it is a nation of one billion
> sheep, controlled by a wolf in Communist clothes.
Tell that to a lot of U.S. engineers, the European-stock American
engineers.
> >Did Afghanistan recent election prove anything? How about the 2000
> >election of George Bush as president?
>
> >Why let outsiders spoil China success when China is doing well?
>
> A country that puts people in prison for expressing political
> opposition is not "doing well".
Try telling those Chinese people who are buying brand-new automobiles
in China today.
Tell the U.S. engineers who would gladly go to China for a job.
Tell the U.S. military who kept complaining China's "not transparent
about their weapon systems".
Tell the Russians that China is NOT "doing well".
Tell Hugo Chavez of Venezuela China is NOT doing well.
>
> Quite the contrary ... a country like China, that doesn't let humans
> use their intellect or give their honest opinion without fear of
> persecution is very very sick.
I can tell you that you'll be the laughing stock of the world.
>
> It is a nation of robots, who now only have the purpose of making
> money (a little for themselves, and a lot for their unelected
> leaders), with no chance to express themselves artistically or
> politically, except under the watchful eye of rigid government censors
> and their state-security henchmen.
Your propaganda machinery got the better of you. Before long, I think
we'll be facing a monster from the east ready to blow us out of this
world. It's a good thing I am in my 70s. My children can not read/
write/speak Chinese. They'll be facing a tough world ahead.
>
> >Government in every country killed, not only China. Think about your
> >own country first before condemning others.
>
> The difference is with democracy, we can, collectively, change the
> people in charge if we do not like our government actions.
Most Americans didn't like those wars in Vietnam, Iraq and
Afghanistan. Did it change anything? Only one person stood up on
principle against the war in Vietnam, Jane Fonda, and she was vilified
and called a traitor even today.
>
> In China, citizens do not have this right - they are sheep.
Those sheep may be very dangerous some day.
>
> And thus the same unelected fascists that murdered innocent people in
> the 1960's Cultural Revolution, and the Tiananmen Square massacre, is
> still murdering today (especially minority Uighurs, and in occupied
> Tibet), or locking up citizens who dare speak out against a corrupt
> and unelected Communist government.
Yeah, many U.S. sheep went to war in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Of course many also went to Canada.
Remember at the very beginning of the Iraq War, many U.S. servicemen
were complaining about the war. Tell me. What was the result? Were
they sheep also? Many of those sheep had died, you know.
>
> Without holding free elections open to all political groups, you
> can't possibly know if China is "doing well" because you have no way
> of knowing if the current unelected and illegitimate government really
> represents the views of the Chinese people.
The increasing number of cars in China says "China is doing well".
The increasing number of Chinese tourists from China says "China is
doing well".
The increasing number of countries issuing visas to Chinese says
"China is doing well".
The increasing number of manufactured products from China says "China
is doing well".
The increasing number of billionaires in China says "China is doing
well".
rst9
Talk to the people in China and see how far you'll get.
B J Foster
> On Oct 3, 4:58 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "B J Foster" <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in messagenews:ha8845$5i8$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...
>> He's probably so brainwashed he supports the occupation of Tibet.
>
> What "occupation of Tibet"? Tibet was and is part of China. The CIA
> was the trouble maker.
Not according to Tibetans.
> Where there is smoke around the world, there
> is always the CIA behind the smoke.
>
>> He probably thinks torture is good. Oh but when America does it it's bad.
>
> Talk to Dick Cheney. He'll tell you. He's big on torture.
>
Yes, we know about him - thanks to the "western press". No society is
perfect - but the best you can do is make it open.
China is closed. No-one knows much about what goes on behind closed
doors. No-one takes polls. No-one dares criticise the regime.
B J Foster
> On Oct 4, 1:52 am, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>
> Talk to the people in China and see how far you'll get.
AI does. All the time.
Page 1 of *65* *pages* of Chinese human rights violations follow:
Crackdown on China's activists escalates ahead of 60th anniversary ...
30 September 2009
Secretary General of World Uighur Congress denied entry to South ...
17 September 2009
China: NGO Worker Missing in China
1 September 2009
China: Free Sichuan earthquake activists
11 August 2009
China Sichuan earthquake activists to be tried
4 August 2009
China: Free human rights defender Huang Qi
31 July 2009
China: Human rights lawyer detained, tortured: Wang Yonghang
28 July 2009
China: Open letter: Amnesty International comments on the draft ...
28 July 2009
China: Human rights lawyers disbarred
15 July 2009
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/china
Seon
"rst0wxyz" <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 3, 4:58 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "B J Foster" <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in
>> messagenews:ha8845$5i8$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...
>> He's probably so brainwashed he supports the occupation of Tibet.
>
> What "occupation of Tibet"? Tibet was and is part of China. The CIA
> was the trouble maker. Where there is smoke around the world, there
> is always the CIA behind the smoke.
>
Of course the CIA were the one who illegally occupied Tibet and forced the
Dali Lama into exile.
>>
>> He probably thinks torture is good. Oh but when America does it it's bad.
>
> Talk to Dick Cheney. He'll tell you. He's big on torture.
>
So is the Chinese government but I guess its only bad when the dick supports
torture.
Seon
"rst9" <rst9...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I don't want to be put in a concentration camp.
rst9
> "rst9" <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4b33bd5e-8c6d-4901...@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 1:52 am, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't want to be put in a concentration camp.
Hiding your head in the sand won't help you either.
rst9
Well, China's response has always been:
"Clean up your own house before criticizing others".
rst9
> rst0wxyz wrote:
> > On Oct 3, 4:58 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What "occupation of Tibet"? Tibet was and is part of China. The CIA
> > was the trouble maker.
>
> Not according to Tibetans.
You mean the group that fled and are living in India? Those are less
than a hundred thousand. Talk to the ones living and making money in
Tibet. Oh!! yeah, I remember now. You mean those two with the
hundred dollars bills from the CIA, and one with the camcorder, and
the other one facing the camera and saying in English;
"There is no freedom here"!!!
Yeah, CIA is big in Tibet. If the CIA can't ferment a revolution in
Tibet against China, China one day may become a huge monster.
Too bad, China is already a huge monster!!!
rst9
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2dd6de41-9d77-4b32...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...> On Oct 3, 4:58 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What "occupation of Tibet"? Tibet was and is part of China. The CIA
> > was the trouble maker. Where there is smoke around the world, there
> > is always the CIA behind the smoke.
>
> Of course the CIA were the one who illegally occupied Tibet and forced the
> Dali Lama into exile.
Seon, you are completely right after all!!! And the CIA set up
training camps in Colorado to train and outfit those illegal Tibetans
for a war which turn out badly for them, and had to flee.
If I have any say to this matter, the Dalai Lama must be hung for
being a CIA running dog and using his followers as bullet targets.
rst0wxyz
> rst0wxyz wrote:
> >> rst0wxyz wrote:
> >>> were stooges who didn't know any better. Besides, how many people
> >>> were there compare to the number of people in China? Not even .01% of
> >>> the population.
>
> > Did the soldiers know any better at Kent State when they opened fire
> > on the students? Soldiers take order, otherwise, they wouldn't be
> > soldiers.
>
> Ignorant idiot. Kent city was in a state of emergency.
Now, who is the"ignorant idiot'? Kent State University was in a state
of emergency, but Tiananmen Square was NOT?
> The ROTC building
> had been burned down in front of 1000 cheering protestors.
But, but, but we have the right to protest against government's action
when the general public doesn't like it!! Was this any different than
Tiananmen Square?
> The *legal*
> basis for the shooting is not disputed by anyone.
And this was NOT a massacre, but the Tiananmen Square was. You are
just too one-sided.
>
> That it was wrong is also not disputed by anyone. Students were
> protesting because Nixon promised to end the Vietnam war and had entered
> Cambodia.
Remember you said the people have the right to protest against the
government. Where was that right?
> No-one disputes that excessive force was used.
Of course, but everyone is disputing the Tiananmen Square killing.
> The strikes
> expanded nationwide and the authorities were universally condemned. The
> press never let up criticising the authorities and ultimately Nixon was
> kicked out.
You've got the events all mixed up.
>
> In contrast, no legality underpins the Tiananmen square massacre, since
> there is no elected government in China. Not four but *hundreds* of
> students were killed. There was no state of emergency - soldiers were
> simply ordered to mow down innocent protestors. The Tiananmen strikes
> did not expand nationwide because of the universal fear of what the
> dictators controlling China might do.
Self-justification won't help now. What was done is done. And we can
not change the past. Let's go on with the future.
>
> No-one has been brought to account for the Tiananmen square massacre.
And you just said the same about Kent State. So why the different
attitudes on pretty much the same problem?
>
> For all we know, the murderers are still in power and still in the PLA.
> For all we know, the inhuman bastard who gave the order received a
> promotion.
But you didn't the same about the people involved in Kent State?
>Maybe you report to him?
Who do you report to?
>
> > I see, you're afraid of your own shadow. That explains it.
>
> No, it means that I read the travel advisories and act accordingly.
Well, a lot of people went to the 2008 Olympics and came home happy.
Are you a bit paranoid?
>
> > China's recent successes tell not only me, but the whole world.
>
> Hitler's Germany was a great economic success too.
China has a lot of hope going forward in the future, and you're trying
to derail them. Shame on you.
rst0wxyz
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e922297d-8409-463f...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 4:53 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:48677664-2da6-434f...@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 3, 1:11 am, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:UkCxm.44954$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> >> > We forced democracy on Iraq. Do you believe that a democratically
> >> >> > elected
> >> >> > government can stop the Iraqi killing each other?
>
> >> >> Iraq is a democracy?
> >> >> And I never said we were perfect. But if you lived in China and said
> >> >> that
> >> >> you would be taken to a re education camp or something like that.
>
> >> > Pure propaganda. Go to China and see for yourself, especially, go to
> >> > the villages and see the ordinary people who lives in China.
>
> >> Try protesting and see what happens.
>
> > Why should I protest when I think they are doing a great job?
>
> Yep a great job destroying human rights
>
You're at the end of the rope when you have to depend on wikipedia for
your arguments.
rst0wxyz
> rst0wxyz wrote:
> > Yes, ironic, isn't it? The western powers soldiers killed and
> > destroyed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam with all-god's almighty,
> > and still, can not subdue the common people with a rifle.
>
> Afghanistan has had two elections since the Taliban were ousted. How
> many elections has China had in the last 2,000 years?
And both elections were fraudulent. China has a better system of
electing their leaders, by proven experience in line of duty. It is a
much better system than this so called election of someone "unknown"
into leadership position.
>
> > Just think
> > about it for a while. What irony!!!
>
> Sure. The US constitution guarantees the right to bear arms. Does China
> even have a constitution?
Didn't you read reports that China has rifle associations and gun
clubs?
>
>
>
> > Like I said, why spoil success when they have it? Aren't you
> > satisfied when the cup is full? or would you rather go hungry and
> > starve? Think about it. What good are elections when you are hungry
> > and dying from starvation?
>
> Elementary. You vote out the people who are making you hungry.
And vote another group nincompoops into power for "4-more years of the
same".
>
> There was universal suffering and hardship during Mao's "Cultural
> Revolution". Where was the opportunity to vote him out?
I see the 1920s-1930s "Dust-Bowl", the Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan
wars didn't teach you anything.
>
>
>
> > Recognize success when you see it, and China is having its success
> > now. So don't spoil it.
>
> A good time to implement democracy, instead of this:http://tinyurl.com/uglyfaceofchina
rst0wxyz
> rst0wxyz wrote:
> > On Oct 2, 11:55 pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>> Well, that is the very reason the west is having such a problem with
> >>> Muslims. You don't understand, and you don't have any regard to other
> >>> human beings. That is what you call "self-righteousness" and degrade
> >>> others regardless of their conditions.
> >> What irony ...
>
> > Yes, ironic, isn't it? The western powers soldiers killed and
> > destroyed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam with all-god's almighty,
> > and still, can not subdue the common people with a rifle.
>
> Afghanistan has had two elections since the Taliban were ousted. How
> many elections has China had in the last 2,000 years?
>
> > about it for a while. What irony!!!
>
> Sure. The US constitution guarantees the right to bear arms. Does China
> even have a constitution?
>
>
>
> >> enough to elect their own government.
>
> > Like I said, why spoil success when they have it? Aren't you
> > satisfied when the cup is full? or would you rather go hungry and
> > starve? Think about it. What good are elections when you are hungry
> > and dying from starvation?
>
> Elementary. You vote out the people who are making you hungry.
>
> Revolution". Where was the opportunity to vote him out?
>
>
>
> > now. So don't spoil it.
>
> A good time to implement democracy, instead of this:http://tinyurl.com/uglyfaceofchina
Maybe it's time to follow China's lead instead of blindly fumbling our
way through life.
rst0wxyz
> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:05:34 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Recognize success when you see it, and China is having its success
> >now. So don't spoil it.
>
> A nation of people who live like sheep, completely in fear of an
> unelected oppressive government .. that is not "success" by any
> measurement of human decency.
>
> Time for China to free a billion people from the slavery of
> dictatorship.
China is free. Go there to see for yourself. After over 200 years,
democracy still has its problems. China has a better system, lead by
people with proven experience in line of duty instead of voting
"unknown quantities" into position of power.
Maybe the U.S. should examine China's system and learn from it.
rst0wxyz
> rst0wxyz wrote:
> > wrote:
> ...
>
> >> To Rusty Old Fool, those faces in the pictures are still happy faces.
>
> > abianchen cunt/slut, you are just a foul-mouth idiot with the smallest
> > mind in the world. You can not accept yourself as you are, why should
> > anyone else accept any of your garbage you little all over
> > soc.culture.china. Clean yourself up first, and accept who you are.
> > You are nothing but a foul mouth ill-mannered perpetual lying bitch.
>
> You're echoing what Chinese "leaders" think of democracy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tiananmen_Square_protests.jpg
As I have said before, you're at the end of the rope when you use
wikipedia for info. Anyone can put craps into wikipedia.
abia...@my-deja.com
Holocaust never happened. One netter said Rusty is crazier than he had
previously thought.
Rusty also said Chairman Mao was a "Great Man" and Mao’s Great Leap
Forward etc causing 27 million Chinese died in vain just an
experiment.
So you know what kind of person you are dealing with. You want to
waste your time for nothing, your choice!!!
Anti-DabianchenVirus
Abianchen is a fraud, and above all, she is damn UGLY!
Picture of "abianchen":
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/
On Oct 4, 10:42 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
rst0wxyz
> "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Iraq is a democracy?
> > And I never said we were perfect. But if you lived in China and said that
> > you would be taken to a re education camp or something like that.
>
> democracy like this:http://www.pinoyhr.net/
I see this post is meant for abianchen cunt/slut who came from the
Philippines.
Of course, she's too ashamd to admit it, so she claims to be this "guy
from Taiwan" identity. But this "guy from Taiwan" has no balls, only
an enlarged clitoris the size of a golf ball from masturbating too
much and too often.
rst0wxyz
> ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
> > rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Maybe.
>
> > Why not hold an election and prove it.
>
> What's the point.
>
> Hamas had one, and a lot of anti-democratic countries didn't accept
> the outcome.
The U.S. didn't accept it. Yeah, what's the point? You only election
results you like, and not the others?
Seon
"rst0wxyz" <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:424d06a2-445f-4462...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
It's a fact and can be found in any credible website which doesn't want to
cover up the true horrors of the cultural revolution. Your hero Mao sent
innocent people to concentration camps just for daring to criticise him. And
your not even bothering to debate this fact you just attack the source.
rst0wxyz
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > your arguments.
>
> It's a fact and can be found in any credible website which doesn't want to
> cover up the true horrors of the cultural revolution. Your hero Mao sent
> innocent people to concentration camps just for daring to criticise him. And
> your not even bothering to debate this fact you just attack the source.
An old man sensing his immortality and his losing power to others.
Instead of blaming Mao, they should blame the people around him who
didn't have the guts to stop him. Besides, did anybody try to stop
Bush from going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan? When soldiers
complain and said they didn't like it, the Pentagon said they would
prosecute/court-martial anyone who make any more complains, remember
that?
All leaders make mistakes. Mao was no exception. Look at the U.S.
today. We are not perfect, far from it.
abia...@my-deja.com
happened? Tell us.
B J Foster
> On Oct 3, 12:40 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> rst0wxyz wrote:
>>> On Oct 3, 4:58 am, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> rst0wxyz wrote:
>>>>> Tiananmen was a CIA planned and staged event, and the Chinese students
>>>>> were stooges who didn't know any better. Besides, how many people
>>>>> were there compare to the number of people in China? Not even .01% of
>>>>> the population.
>>>> Izzat so? I suppose that the soldiers who shot them knew better.
>>> Did the soldiers know any better at Kent State when they opened fire
>>> on the students? Soldiers take order, otherwise, they wouldn't be
>>> soldiers.
>> Ignorant idiot. Kent city was in a state of emergency.
>
> Now, who is the"ignorant idiot'? Kent State University was in a state
> of emergency, but Tiananmen Square was NOT?
The Mayor of Kent *city* declared a "state of emergency" and asked the
governor of Kent state for assistance because protestors were destroying
public property - the ROTC building. Whilst no-one liked the result,
there was a clear *legal* basis for the National Guard actions.
If you had half a clue you would have done some research before drawing
parallels between the two cases.
In the case of Tiananmen square murders there was no legal basis
whatsoever. In that case, a bunch of dictators ordered soldiers to
murder unarmed protestors.
What kind of people send tanks to mow down innocent civilians?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tianasquare.jpg
Wanting democracy, for goodness sake!
The people responsible are still in power!
>
>> The ROTC building
>> had been burned down in front of 1000 cheering protestors.
>
> But, but, but we have the right to protest against government's action
> when the general public doesn't like it!! Was this any different than
> Tiananmen Square?
This has been explained to you in detail, are you thick?
>
>> The *legal*
>> basis for the shooting is not disputed by anyone.
>
> And this was NOT a massacre, but the Tiananmen Square was. You are
> just too one-sided.
Illiterate as well.
>
>> That it was wrong is also not disputed by anyone. Students were
>> protesting because Nixon promised to end the Vietnam war and had entered
>> Cambodia.
>
> Remember you said the people have the right to protest against the
> government. Where was that right?
The protestors at Kent State U set fire to the ROTC building. 4 people
were killed - and the backlash ultimately resulted in Nixon being kicked
out.
The protestors in Tiananmen square did not do any damage to anything.
Hundreds were shot dead. The dictators who ordered them killed are still
in power.
>
>> No-one disputes that excessive force was used.
>
> Of course, but everyone is disputing the Tiananmen Square killing.
You are a fool. No-one disputes that hundreds of people were shot dead
except the most abject liars. Condemnation of the massacre was universal:
Arrests and detentions went on after the protests. It is one of the most
*shameful* episodes in China's history.
Chinese are such wonderful, intelligent and civilised people - why do
they have to put up with communism and dictators?
>
>> The strikes
>> expanded nationwide and the authorities were universally condemned. The
>> press never let up criticising the authorities and ultimately Nixon was
>> kicked out.
>
> You've got the events all mixed up.
<quote>
The EU cancelled all high level contacts and loans and instituted an
arms embargo still in force).
Bob Hawke, wept at a memorial service in the Great Hall in Parliament.
The Australian government granted Chinese students a four year amnesty
to stay in Australia
Aung San Suu Kyi (Burma) condemned Chinese leaders, saying: "We deplore
it. It happened in Burma and we wanted the world to stand by Burma, so
we stand by the Chinese students."
Canadian Foreign Minister Joe Clark described the incident as
"inexcusable" and issued a statement: "We can only express horror and
outrage at the senseless violence and tragic loss of life resulting from
the indiscriminate and brutal use of force against students and
civilians of Peking."
French Foreign Minister, Roland Dumas, said he was "dismayed by the
bloody repression" of "an unarmed crowd of demonstrators."
The leadership of the German Democratic Republic approved of the
crackdown. The Volkskammer passed a resolution, in which East Germany
declared its support for suppressing the "counterrevolutionary riots".
Hong Kong: 200,000 people protested against the Chinese government
The Italian Communist Party leader Achille Occhetto condemned the
"unspeakable slaughter in progress in China".
The Japanese government called the response "intolerable" and froze
loans to China. Japan was also the first member of the G7 to restore
high level relations with China in the following months.
The Dutch government froze diplomatic relations with China, and summoned
the Chinese Charg� d'Affaires Li Qin Ping expressing shock at the
"violent and brutal actions of the People's Liberation Army."
Philippino President Corazon Aquino expressed sadness at the incident,
urging the Chinese government to "urgently and immediately take steps to
stop the aggressive and senseless killing by its armed forces".
The Swedish government froze diplomatic relations with China.
Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, expressed "utter revulsion and
outrage", and was "appalled by the indiscriminate shooting of unarmed
people."
President George H. W. Bush suspended military sales and visits. Large
scale protests took place around the country.
</quote>
>
>> In contrast, no legality underpins the Tiananmen square massacre, since
>> there is no elected government in China. Not four but *hundreds* of
>> students were killed. There was no state of emergency - soldiers were
>> simply ordered to mow down innocent protestors. The Tiananmen strikes
>> did not expand nationwide because of the universal fear of what the
>> dictators controlling China might do.
>
> Self-justification won't help now. What was done is done. And we can
> not change the past. Let's go on with the future.
>
The communist murderers are still in power.
>
>> No-one has been brought to account for the Tiananmen square massacre.
>
> And you just said the same about Kent State. So why the different
> attitudes on pretty much the same problem?
Are you thick?
>
>> For all we know, the murderers are still in power and still in the PLA.
>> For all we know, the inhuman bastard who gave the order received a
>> promotion.
>
> But you didn't the same about the people involved in Kent State?
>
>> Maybe you report to him?
>
> Who do you report to?
I conform with the law, law established by *elected* representatives
whom my fellow citizens and I *voted* for.
>
>>> I see, you're afraid of your own shadow. That explains it.
>> No, it means that I read the travel advisories and act accordingly.
>
> Well, a lot of people went to the 2008 Olympics and came home happy.
What about the hundreds or maybe thousands of people who disappear
merely because they want democracy?
> Are you a bit paranoid?
No - just well informed.
>
>>> China's recent successes tell not only me, but the whole world.
>> Hitler's Germany was a great economic success too.
>
> China has a lot of hope going forward in the future, and you're trying
> to derail them. Shame on you.
>
China has a lot of hope going forward in the future. China has
wonderful, warm and intelligent people.
Unfortunately, China also has a plague of unrepresentative communist
dictators. The only way China can progress is to overthrow the bastards
and elect a representative government.
B J Foster
Where should I get my info from, fool, the CIA?
Go back to the dark ages where you belong
B J Foster
> On Oct 4, 2:52 am, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> rst0wxyz wrote:
>>> On Oct 3, 4:58 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What "occupation of Tibet"? Tibet was and is part of China. The CIA
>>> was the trouble maker.
>> Not according to Tibetans.
>
> You mean the group that fled and are living in India?
The occupation of Tibet is illegal.
If China wants to join the modern world and earn the respect of other
nations, China should leave Tibet for the Tibetans.
B J Foster
> On Oct 4, 3:03 am, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> rst9 wrote:
>>> On Oct 4, 1:52 am, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Talk to the people in China and see how far you'll get.
>> AI does. All the time.
>>
>> Page 1 of *65* *pages* of Chinese human rights violations follow:
>>
>> Crackdown on China's activists escalates ahead of 60th anniversary ...
>> 30 September 2009
>>
>> 15 July 2009http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/china
>
> Well, China's response has always been:
> "Clean up your own house before criticizing others".
>
>
"The Olympic Games in Beijing brought heightened *repression* throughout
the country as authorities tightened control over human rights
defenders, religious practitioners, ethnic minorities, lawyers and
journalists.
Following protests and unrest which began in March in Lhasa the
government originally detained over 1,000 people. Hundreds remained in
detention or were unaccounted for at year�s end. The authorities used a
series of violent incidents alleged to be linked to terrorists to launch
a sweeping crackdown on the Uighur population in the Xinjiang Uighur
Autonomous Region (XUAR).
Torture and other ill-treatment remained widespread. The authorities
maintained tight control over the flow of information, with many
internet websites blocked, and journalists and internet users harassed
and imprisoned for the peaceful expression of opinions. The authorities
made increased use of punitive forms of administrative detention,
notably the Re-education through Labour system, to silence critics in
the lead-up to the Olympic Games".
Source: Amnesty, 2009 Report
B J Foster
> On Oct 3, 12:58 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> rst0wxyz wrote:
>>> On Oct 2, 11:55 pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, ironic, isn't it? The western powers soldiers killed and
>>> destroyed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam with all-god's almighty,
>>> and still, can not subdue the common people with a rifle.
>> Afghanistan has had two elections since the Taliban were ousted. How
>> many elections has China had in the last 2,000 years?
>
> And both elections were fraudulent. China has a better system of
> electing their leaders, by proven experience in line of duty.
None, in other words.
Dictators always think that they're better than the common people.
The whole communist philosophy is a fraud.
B J Foster
> On Oct 3, 8:03 pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:05:34 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Recognize success when you see it, and China is having its success
>>> now. So don't spoil it.
>> A nation of people who live like sheep, completely in fear of an
>> unelected oppressive government .. that is not "success" by any
>> measurement of human decency.
>>
>> Time for China to free a billion people from the slavery of
>> dictatorship.
>
> China is free.
"In China, torture and other ill-treatment remain commonplace because
detainees have restricted access to lawyers and their family, and the
prosecution commonly relies on confessions as a form of evidence"
Source: Amnesty International spokesperson
rst9
> the Chinese Chargé d'Affaires Li Qin Ping expressing shock at the
B J Foster
China has never had *any* election
rst9
If you are using wikipedia as reference, you certainly are a fool and
a ignorant idiot.
>
> Go back to the dark ages where you belong
I just move out of the dark ages of concrete jungles into the wide-
open countryside.
rst9
> rst9 wrote:
> > On Oct 4, 2:52 am, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> rst0wxyz wrote:
> >>> On Oct 3, 4:58 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> What "occupation of Tibet"? Tibet was and is part of China. The CIA
> >>> was the trouble maker.
> >> Not according to Tibetans.
>
> > You mean the group that fled and are living in India?
>
> The occupation of Tibet is illegal.
>
> If China wants to join the modern world and earn the respect of other
> nations, China should leave Tibet for the Tibetans.
Tell the CIA to stop interfering into internal Chinese affairs.
rst9
On Oct 4, 5:44 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> rst9 wrote:
> > On Oct 4, 3:03 am, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> > Well, China's response has always been:
> > "Clean up your own house before criticizing others".
>
> "The Olympic Games in Beijing brought heightened *repression* throughout
> the country as authorities tightened control over human rights
> defenders, religious practitioners, ethnic minorities, lawyers and
> journalists.
>
> Following protests and unrest which began in March in Lhasa the
> government originally detained over 1,000 people. Hundreds remained in
> detention or were unaccounted for at year’s end. The authorities used a
rst9
Elections are pointless and a waste of money.
rst9
> rst0wxyz wrote:
> > On Oct 3, 8:03 pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:05:34 -0700 (PDT), rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Recognize success when you see it, and China is having its success
> >>> now. So don't spoil it.
> >> A nation of people who live like sheep, completely in fear of an
> >> unelected oppressive government .. that is not "success" by any
> >> measurement of human decency.
>
> >> Time for China to free a billion people from the slavery of
> >> dictatorship.
>
> > China is free.
>
> "In China, torture and other ill-treatment remain commonplace because
> detainees have restricted access to lawyers and their family, and the
> prosecution commonly relies on confessions as a form of evidence"
>
> Source: Amnesty International spokesperson
Please read Willis Stelter's letter.
B J Foster
> Again, I say to you. Please read Willis Stelter's letter I posted.
Ho hum. Go away - you're becoming boring.
>
> On Oct 4, 5:44 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> rst9 wrote:
>>> On Oct 4, 3:03 am, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> Well, China's response has always been:
>>> "Clean up your own house before criticizing others".
>> "The Olympic Games in Beijing brought heightened *repression* throughout
>> the country as authorities tightened control over human rights
>> defenders, religious practitioners, ethnic minorities, lawyers and
>> journalists.
>>
>> Following protests and unrest which began in March in Lhasa the
>> government originally detained over 1,000 people. Hundreds remained in
>> detention or were unaccounted for at year�s end. The authorities used a
B J Foster
> On Oct 4, 5:38 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> rst9 wrote:
>>> On Oct 4, 2:52 am, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> rst0wxyz wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 3, 4:58 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What "occupation of Tibet"? Tibet was and is part of China. The CIA
>>>>> was the trouble maker.
>>>> Not according to Tibetans.
>>> You mean the group that fled and are living in India?
>> The occupation of Tibet is illegal.
>>
>> If China wants to join the modern world and earn the respect of other
>> nations, China should leave Tibet for the Tibetans.
>
> Tell the CIA to stop interfering into internal Chinese affairs.
The CIA caused China to invade Tibet and repress it's people?
rst9
wrote:
> Rusty Old Fool, do you still insist that Nazi’s Holocaust never
> happened? Tell us.
The president of Iran, mamoud Amademejad was right. The holocaust was
a myth.
B J Foster
> On Oct 4, 5:34 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> rst0wxyz wrote:
>>> On Oct 3, 1:01 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> rst0wxyz wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 3, 5:25 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>> To Rusty Old Fool, those faces in the pictures are still happy faces.
>>>>> abianchen cunt/slut, you are just a foul-mouth idiot with the smallest
>>>>> mind in the world. You can not accept yourself as you are, why should
>>>>> anyone else accept any of your garbage you little all over
>>>>> soc.culture.china. Clean yourself up first, and accept who you are.
>>>>> You are nothing but a foul mouth ill-mannered perpetual lying bitch.
>>>> You're echoing what Chinese "leaders" think of democracy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tiananmen_Square_protests.jpg
>>> As I have said before, you're at the end of the rope when you use
>>> wikipedia for info. Anyone can put craps into wikipedia.
>> Where should I get my info from, fool, the CIA?
>
> If you are using wikipedia as reference, you certainly are a fool and
> a ignorant idiot.
If you are echoing the party line, you're not human, you're just a cog
in a machine.
rst9
> rst9 wrote:
> > On Oct 4, 5:38 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> rst9 wrote:
> >>> On Oct 4, 2:52 am, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> rst0wxyz wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 3, 4:58 pm, "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> What "occupation of Tibet"? Tibet was and is part of China. The CIA
> >>>>> was the trouble maker.
> >>>> Not according to Tibetans.
> >>> You mean the group that fled and are living in India?
> >> The occupation of Tibet is illegal.
>
> >> If China wants to join the modern world and earn the respect of other
> >> nations, China should leave Tibet for the Tibetans.
>
> > Tell the CIA to stop interfering into internal Chinese affairs.
>
> The CIA caused China to invade Tibet and repress it's people?
The CIA set up training camps in Colorado to train Tibetans for
rebellion in Tibet.
rst9
> rst9 wrote:
> > Again, I say to you. Please read Willis Stelter's letter I posted.
>
> Ho hum. Go away - you're becoming boring.
What's the matter, B J Foster? Can't face the truth, can you?
rst9
No, I'm serious. I moved from the Bay Area to the wide-open Central
Valley California.