OT:Barium Swallow Test;esophagus not draining properly?
lilcatlady
Sorry for the OT post. Please point me in the right direction to an
active area to post if not proper.
I am a 39 yo female. I just had a barium swallow test to see if we
could pinpoint my chest pains that started about 7 weeks ago.
My recent Thallium Stress Test and Echo tests were negative.
The only abnormal findings were 3 Abnormal ECGs which lead to the
above. The 11/3 one read ""Sinus Rhythm" and "QRS changes V3/V4 may be
due to LVH but can not rule out Anterior Infarct". The one from 12/2
said "Artrial Flutter (A rate =235 V rate 101)" and "Anterior
Infarct - Age Indeterminate". Do not have a copy of the one from
11/2/.
The radiologist that was there for the initial part of the test
pointed out an ulcer (medium sized, about 1 cm) and said my esophagus
was not draining the barium properly and some was still inside the
esophagus. To me it looked like the outline was a thin coating of
barium (white bright material), thicker towards the left side,wrapped
around a thin sea cucumber (dark area). Hope that description made you
all laugh:).
I had a perforated ulcer in 2000 and was more concerned about that.
I'd asked him if it may be in danger of perforating too and he said
'probably not but I can't tell the future!". He seemed a bit
concerned about the drainage though and left while the assistant took
many other pictures. I was told my doctor would be contacted that day.
When my doctor's office contacted me a few hours later about something
else they said they did not get the report. They then put me on hold
for a second and "magically" the radiologist was on the other line
about me. When they got back I learn I am to see a Vascular Surgeon
this Wednesday morning. They did not tell me why (other than the
radiologist said I had an ulcer) and said they did not even get the
report yet.
Is this "drainage problem" common and could it be GERD, something more
serious, nothing at all, all the above??!:) Is a vascular surgeon
generally involved for a simple ulcer or Gerd?
My symptoms are severe chest pains..burning/tearing starting behind
left breast, extending towards right breast cusp with searing pain
seeming to come from through the right side of middle back, near
spine, sometimes lasting for hours and extending below ribcage and
diaphram (some relief bending foward), fatigue, huffing and puffing
(like I am exasperated), several daily bouts of short lived hiccups,
dry heaves, naseua, infrequent blood in stool (probably from ulcer),
small, tiny streaks of blood in mucous several times a week, tight
feeling throat and migraines that have plagued me for years. I also
have several small kidney stones that were discovered Friday from an
abdominal X-ray taken last month and two small growths in my trachea
(maybe mucus).
Thank you for any ideas. My clinic is very hard to get answers from,
it's even a small ordeal to get copies of tests and records sometimes.
Take care.
P.S. Thank you for answering my last Q Dr. Chung. I wish you still
lived in Ocala!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Dear Group,
>
> Sorry for the OT post. Please point me in the right direction to an
> active area to post if not proper.
>
> I am a 39 yo female. I just had a barium swallow test to see if we
> could pinpoint my chest pains that started about 7 weeks ago.
>
> My recent Thallium Stress Test and Echo tests were negative.
>
> The only abnormal findings were 3 Abnormal ECGs which lead to the
> above. The 11/3 one read ""Sinus Rhythm" and "QRS changes V3/V4 may be
> due to LVH but can not rule out Anterior Infarct". The one from 12/2
> said "Artrial Flutter (A rate =235 V rate 101)" and "Anterior
> Infarct - Age Indeterminate". Do not have a copy of the one from
> 11/2/.
Such dynamic ECG changes in the setting of otherwise normal cardiac
testing as you have had are highly suggestive of a sliding hiatal
hernia, which is often associated with GERD. Because you have been
having abnormal ECGs, your post is actually not off-topic.
> The radiologist that was there for the initial part of the test
> pointed out an ulcer (medium sized, about 1 cm) and said my esophagus
> was not draining the barium properly and some was still inside the
> esophagus. To me it looked like the outline was a thin coating of
> barium (white bright material), thicker towards the left side,wrapped
> around a thin sea cucumber (dark area). Hope that description made you
> all laugh:).
>
> I had a perforated ulcer in 2000 and was more concerned about that.
> I'd asked him if it may be in danger of perforating too and he said
> 'probably not but I can't tell the future!". He seemed a bit
> concerned about the drainage though and left while the assistant took
> many other pictures. I was told my doctor would be contacted that day.
>
> When my doctor's office contacted me a few hours later about something
> else they said they did not get the report. They then put me on hold
> for a second and "magically" the radiologist was on the other line
> about me. When they got back I learn I am to see a Vascular Surgeon
> this Wednesday morning. They did not tell me why (other than the
> radiologist said I had an ulcer) and said they did not even get the
> report yet.
>
> Is this "drainage problem" common and could it be GERD, something more
> serious, nothing at all, all the above??!:)
See above.
> Is a vascular surgeon
> generally involved for a simple ulcer or Gerd?
No.
> My symptoms are severe chest pains..burning/tearing starting behind
> left breast, extending towards right breast cusp with searing pain
> seeming to come from through the right side of middle back, near
> spine, sometimes lasting for hours and extending below ribcage and
> diaphram (some relief bending foward), fatigue, huffing and puffing
> (like I am exasperated), several daily bouts of short lived hiccups,
> dry heaves, naseua, infrequent blood in stool (probably from ulcer),
> small, tiny streaks of blood in mucous several times a week, tight
> feeling throat and migraines that have plagued me for years. I also
> have several small kidney stones that were discovered Friday from an
> abdominal X-ray taken last month and two small growths in my trachea
> (maybe mucus).
Your severe chest pain could indeed be from GERD arising from a
sliding hiatal hernia.
> Thank you for any ideas.
Laus Deo :-)
> My clinic is very hard to get answers from,
> it's even a small ordeal to get copies of tests and records sometimes.
>
> Take care.
>
> P.S. Thank you for answering my last Q Dr. Chung. I wish you still
> lived in Ocala!
Could not ever get my wife to like Ocala enough to relocate there so
my living there simply was not going to ever happen. Retrospectively,
it was not GOD's will for me to stay for more than 88 days.
Out of curiosity, who is your doctor(s) down there in Ocala?
Love in Jesus,
Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?
Truth
wrote:
Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala. This was his first
and only post-cardiology fellowship job. Chung is unable to practice
medicine because of mental illness and dishonesty. He is a kook and a
liar. He is not a Board Certified Internist and has had no hospital
affiliation since 2001. Do not trust him as a reliable source of
medical information.
lilcatlady
I appreciate the fact that he is the only one out there that has
bothered to take time to address my questions.
I also like his web page and the fact that he is Christian.
I'll be posting more questions and hopefully will be able to count on
reading his replies. If anyone else cares to offer an opinion I'd
appreciate it too.
Take care.
Thanks again.
lilcatlady
I appreciate the fact that he is the only one that has taken the time
to address my questions.
I also like his web page and that he seems to be a profound Christian.
I will be posting more questions and hope he will continue to reply.
If anyone else wants to offer their opinion on them I would be
grateful.
Take care.
lilcatlady
wrote:
>
> > P.S. Thank you for answering my last Q Dr. Chung. I wish you still
> > lived in Ocala!
>
> Could not ever get my wife to like Ocala enough to relocate there so
> my living there simply was not going to ever happen. Retrospectively,
> it was not GOD's will for me to stay for more than 88 days.
>
> Out of curiosity, who is your doctor(s) down there in Ocala?
>
> Love in Jesus,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
> 12:3)
>
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Dear Dr. Chung,
I am in Winter Haven, near Orlando.
I'd asked because Ocala is not too far and if you were still here I
would have probably wanted a consult.
I just received a paper copy of my Echo results and see a couple of
defects (minor I hope because I was told everything was FINE) and
found out also that it was a "technically difficult study with
suboptimal views due to implants". There were 3 areas that were "not
well visualized". They could not even see enough to get any info for
the "Pulmonary Valve Doppler" part. I will post details later to see
if you think mild calcification and tricuspid regurgitation is
generally thought of as no big deal or should I actually see a
cardiologist to see if this may be causing my new pains.
Lastly, I thought your web page had a big info part where you answered
many questions. I did not see that part a few days ago. Can I access
it any more?
Thank you. Take care.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> I read something to that effect earlier. Thanks for your concern.
Sadly, that which masquerades as truth is motivated by something other
than concern.
> I appreciate the fact that he is the only one out there that has
> bothered to take time to address my questions.
Being mindful of WDJW is truly not a bother :-)
> I also like his web page and the fact that he is Christian.
Laus Deo :-)
> I'll be posting more questions and hopefully will be able to count on
> reading his replies.
It remains my personal choice to continue to receive the guidance of
the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >
> > > P.S. Thank you for answering my last Q Dr. Chung. I wish you still
> > > lived in Ocala!
> >
> > Could not ever get my wife to like Ocala enough to relocate there so
> > my living there simply was not going to ever happen. Retrospectively,
> > it was not GOD's will for me to stay for more than 88 days.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, who is your doctor(s) down there in Ocala?
>
>
> I am in Winter Haven, near Orlando.
>
> I'd asked because Ocala is not too far and if you were still here I
> would have probably wanted a consult.
>
> I just received a paper copy of my Echo results and see a couple of
> defects (minor I hope because I was told everything was FINE) and
> found out also that it was a "technically difficult study with
> suboptimal views due to implants". There were 3 areas that were "not
> well visualized". They could not even see enough to get any info for
> the "Pulmonary Valve Doppler" part. I will post details later to see
> if you think mild calcification and tricuspid regurgitation is
> generally thought of as no big deal or should I actually see a
> cardiologist to see if this may be causing my new pains.
Findings of mild calcification and tricuspid regurgitation would not
be an explanation for chest pain.
> Lastly, I thought your web page had a big info part where you answered
> many questions. I did not see that part a few days ago. Can I access
> it any more?
It is still there and accessible.
> Thank you.
Laus Deo :-)
> Take care.
The LORD is taking care of me for it remains my personal choice to
continue to wear His yoke (harness), which means to be in His service.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lie.
If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
public:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d93d3440ab9cc049?
Moreover, his threat remains an empty one since I remain an actively
practicing board-certified cardiologist seven years later as can be
verified on-line by anyone.
Truth is simple.
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Truth
> On Dec 15, 5:05 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > P.S. Thank you for answering my last Q Dr. Chung. I wish you still
> > > lived in Ocala!
>
> > Could not ever get my wife to like Ocala enough to relocate there so
> > my living there simply was not going to ever happen. Retrospectively,
> > it was not GOD's will for me to stay for more than 88 days.
>
> > Out of curiosity, who is your doctor(s) down there in Ocala?
>
> > Love in Jesus,
>
> > Andrew <><
> > --
> > "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
> > 12:3)
>
>
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>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Dear Dr. Chung,
>
> I am in Winter Haven, near Orlando.
>
> I'd asked because Ocala is not too far and if you were still here I
> would have probably wanted a consult.
>
> I just received a paper copy of my Echo results and see a couple of
> defects (minor I hope because I was told everything was FINE) and
> found out also that it was a "technically difficult study with
> suboptimal views due to implants". There were 3 areas that were "not
> well visualized". They could not even see enough to get any info for
> the "Pulmonary Valve Doppler" part. I will post details later to see
> if you think mild calcification and tricuspid regurgitation is
> generally thought of as no big deal or should I actually see a
> cardiologist to see if this may be causing my new pains.
>
> Lastly, I thought your web page had a big info part where you answered
> many questions. I did not see that part a few days ago. Can I access
> it any more?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I smell a Chung sock.
Hey Chunks, How come when I click on "view profile" for licatlady
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=PY-VNRQAAACZ_uWliePMBcL05uVbGlE9OPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A
it brings up a link to Chung and appears to have been posted by Chung?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Obviously incorrect since you are not a "no one."
> most folks reflexively kill file
> anyone who quotes or responds to him.
No such thing as a "kill file" reflex.
Moreover, those who write that they have "kill filled" another do so
with the desire to illicit a written response which would be
unsatisfied if either the "kill file" actually happens or the target
ignores the vacuous threat. The latter is easy for those of us who
are mindful of WDJW so that we continue to do what GOD desires rather
than what others (including self) want.
"For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." -- LORD Jesus Christ
(Matthew 11:30)
Amen.
Don Kirkman
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<8c7213ab-9ece-4a8d...@v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>:
>satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>Lie.
>If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
>to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
>public:
You were probationary, so cause was not necessary. It appears that
after an inquiry you were terminated without no cause stated, but that
a subsequent inquiry changed the status to "with cause."
The headers on the copy of Dr. Hildner's you posted several years ago
clearly has email headers, evidence that it was in fact an email
addressed to you. Messages posted on Web sites have no headers, and
can only be posted with the permission of the site manager. Most of
your site is only accessible unless you provide the password.
>Moreover, his threat remains an empty one since I remain an actively
>practicing board-certified cardiologist seven years later as can be
>verified on-line by anyone.
You have never provided evidence that you are actively practicing.
Wise patients would not choose a doctor who has not had hospital
privileges for several years.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>
> > Lie.
>
> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
> > public:
>
If I were probationary, would not have helped Dr. Hildner move boxes
of his things out of his old office to his car as I moved my boxes in.
> ... so cause was not necessary.
When there is no public disclosure of cause, it is called "fired
without cause."
Truth is simple.
Dr. Hildner has had plenty of time to come on-line to refute any of
this which has been written and posted here. His posting here is as
easy as his posting on my web site. Moreover, he can't plead
ignorance about this since you have been informing him about this by
phone.
His posting on my web site refutes anything he may have said to you on
the phone:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dda6f140e862c223
The fact remains that his attempts to coerce me to falsify the medical
records of my patients failed and his subsequent attempts to coerce me
to not go public with this have also failed. LORD willing, there will
soon be a book that will expose this further.
You should anticipate being subpoenaed since you have written and
posted about having phone conversations with Dr. Hildner and have been
party to the spread of libelous written comments. Such is the trap of
lying, it snowballs out of control because the source of all lies is
out of control:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?
Bottom line concerning your having less free will:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6c3ca11187d0eb9e?
May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul, dear Don:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c?
Don Kirkman
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>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>> > Lie.
>> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
>> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
>> > public:
>> You were probationary ...
>If I were probationary, would not have helped Dr. Hildner move boxes
>of his things out of his old office to his car as I moved my boxes in.
It appears you don't have a clue about the meaning of "probationary."
>> ... so cause was not necessary.
>When there is no public disclosure of cause, it is called "fired
>without cause."
No, "with cause" and "without cause" are part of the formal findings,
whether public or confidential.
>Truth is simple.
>Dr. Hildner has had plenty of time to come on-line to refute any of
>this which has been written and posted here. His posting here is as
>easy as his posting on my web site. Moreover, he can't plead
>ignorance about this since you have been informing him about this by
>phone.
He refuted it before you ever posted it here, and *you* published his
refutation and the legal issue it raised years ago.
>His posting on my web site refutes anything he may have said to you on
>the phone:
He did not post it on your web site; if it is there it is because you
put his email on your site.
>The fact remains that his attempts to coerce me to falsify the medical
>records of my patients failed and his subsequent attempts to coerce me
>to not go public with this have also failed. LORD willing, there will
>soon be a book that will expose this further.
The issue was not falsification of records but reasonable reading of
the results of diagnostic tests; the staff as a whole were working by
more reasonable standards than you were, and they called you on it,
but you were unwilling to use the same standards as the rest of the
staff. This is alluded to in Dr. Hildner's email.
>You should anticipate being subpoenaed since you have written and
>posted about having phone conversations with Dr. Hildner and have been
>party to the spread of libelous written comments. Such is the trap of
>lying, it snowballs out of control because the source of all lies is
>out of control:
Give it a go, doc!
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> >> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>
> >> > Lie.
>
> >> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
> >> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
> >> > public:
>
> >> You were probationary ...
>
> >If I were probationary, would not have helped Dr. Hildner move boxes
> >of his things out of his old office to his car as I moved my boxes in.
>
> It appears you don't have a clue about the meaning of "probationary."
Actually, much more than you know:
"You have carte blanche in how you diagnose and treat your patients,
Andrew." -- partner answering question about clinical independence
(probation means no clinical independence)at time of hiring.
"Don't worry about Dr. Hildner. He stopped seeing patients a year ago
since having heart problems of his own so you will be moving into what
was his office." -- another partner clarifying that Dr. Hildner would
not be a supervisory physician as would have been the case if I were
probationary.
Bottom line:
If there was ever a question concerning my competence, Dr. Hildner
would not have been compelled to write as he did in the infamous
posting he made to my web site:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dda6f140e862c223
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly build a case both against yourself and others
involved in libelous postings here on usenet.
Don Kirkman
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>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> >> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>> >> > Lie.
>> >> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
>> >> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
>> >> > public:
>> >> You were probationary ...
>> >If I were probationary, would not have helped Dr. Hildner move boxes
>> >of his things out of his old office to his car as I moved my boxes in.
>> It appears you don't have a clue about the meaning of "probationary."
>Actually, much more than you know:
>"You have carte blanche in how you diagnose and treat your patients,
>Andrew." -- partner answering question about clinical independence
>(probation means no clinical independence)at time of hiring.
That doesn't say anything about your employee status; you were a new
probationary employee; otherwise you could not have been fired without
hearings and due process.
Probation does NOT mean no independence, it means your employment is
contingent on your results. Obviously your results were in line with
the standards of the practice.
>"Don't worry about Dr. Hildner. He stopped seeing patients a year ago
>since having heart problems of his own so you will be moving into what
>was his office." -- another partner clarifying that Dr. Hildner would
>not be a supervisory physician as would have been the case if I were
>probationary.
So you were not succeeding him except in taking his old office,
contrary to your years-old claim that you were succeeding him
And as Medical Director he was not only your ultimate supervisor
responsible for your work quality but was also the supervisor of the
other non-partners.
>If there was ever a question concerning my competence, Dr. Hildner
>would not have been compelled to write as he did in the infamous
>posting he made to my web site:
You mean the posting of his email that you made to your site?
"Now just reflect on the fact that you are the only one to make such
insinuations or allegations. Any reasonable person seeing these things
may justifiably conclude that it is you that is out of step, not the
other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala." Quote from Hildner's email to
you.
>Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
>you to unwittingly build a case both against yourself and others
>involved in libelous postings here on usenet.
Sounds like we've come back to the accusations you made even against
some of your fellow doctors and Bob Pastorio back in the very late
90s. How did that work out for you?
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> >> >> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>
> >> >> > Lie.
>
> >> >> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
> >> >> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
> >> >> > public:
>
> >> >> You were probationary ...
>
> >> >If I were probationary, would not have helped Dr. Hildner move boxes
> >> >of his things out of his old office to his car as I moved my boxes in.
>
> >> It appears you don't have a clue about the meaning of "probationary."
>
> >Actually, much more than you know:
>
> >"You have carte blanche in how you diagnose and treat your patients,
> >Andrew." -- partner answering question about clinical independence
>
> That doesn't say anything about your employee status;
It remains meaningful for physician employees.
> you were a new
> probationary employee; otherwise you could not have been fired without
> hearings and due process.
Incorrect.
Any employee can be fired at anytime without cause by his/her
employer. Such is the definition of being fired "without cause."
> Probation does NOT mean no independence, it means your employment is
> contingent on your results.
That definition would not be applicable here either. There were no
conditions for continued employment in the contract that was signed by
me.
> Obviously your results were in line with
> the standards of the practice.
Actually, the results exceeded the standards of the practice because
they were the standards of Emory University Cardiology, which remains
the "mecca" for percutaneous interventional cardiology procedures
since Dr. Andreas Greuntzig:
> >"Don't worry about Dr. Hildner. He stopped seeing patients a year ago
> >since having heart problems of his own so you will be moving into what
> >was his office." -- another partner clarifying that Dr. Hildner would
> >not be a supervisory physician as would have been the case if I were
> >probationary.
>
> So you were not succeeding him except in taking his old office,
> contrary to your years-old claim that you were succeeding him
As if newly elected Barack Obama would be just taking over the Oval
Office and not succeeding President George Bush Jr.
Bottom line considering your difficulties here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b09fe2cd7fceefc8?
Such is the predicament of you and other non-christians like you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
Don Kirkman
<q9igk457lvv23ki9e...@4ax.com>:
>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>article
><575c822c-5818-41b3...@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:
>>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>> >> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
>>> >> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
>>> >> > public:
>>> >> You were probationary ...
>>> >If I were probationary, would not have helped Dr. Hildner move boxes
>>> >of his things out of his old office to his car as I moved my boxes in.
>>> It appears you don't have a clue about the meaning of "probationary."
>>Actually, much more than you know:
>>"You have carte blanche in how you diagnose and treat your patients,
>>Andrew." -- partner answering question about clinical independence
>>(probation means no clinical independence)at time of hiring.
All that means is that you are expected to know and to practice
medicine following normal practices and techniques. It does not mean
you were left unsupervised or that you had been accepted as a
permanent employee.
And I omitted to mention that other Ocala doctors were reportedly
complaining that you were not satisfactorily handling cases they had
referred to the clinic.
>>Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
>>you to unwittingly build a case both against yourself and others
>>involved in libelous postings here on usenet.
Your lack of knowledge of law falls short even of your lack of
knowledge of religion and your current disrespect for the principles
of scientific medicine.
Don Kirkman
article
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> >> >> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>> >> >> > Lie.
>> >> >> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
>> >> >> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
>> >> >> > public:
Actually, as you may remember, after you were fired a review done
outside the practice denied your claims, supported your firing, and
changed the official description from "without cause" to "with cause,"
thus denying you back pay you had tried to claim.
>> >> >> You were probationary ...
>>
>> >> >If I were probationary, would not have helped Dr. Hildner move boxes
>> >> >of his things out of his old office to his car as I moved my boxes in.
These two things have no relevant relationship.
>> >> It appears you don't have a clue about the meaning of "probationary."
>>
>> >Actually, much more than you know:
>>
>> >"You have carte blanche in how you diagnose and treat your patients,
>> >Andrew." -- partner answering question about clinical independence
>> >(probation means no clinical independence) at time of hiring.
>>
>> That doesn't say anything about your employee status;
>
>It remains meaningful for physician employees.
Physician employees are subject to the same general labor rules as any
other person. They are either permanent or they are not, and
different rules cover the two categories.
>> you were a new
>> probationary employee; otherwise you could not have been fired without
>> hearings and due process.
>
>Incorrect.
No, it's correct; that's why, to repeat, they were able to fire you
without hearings and due process. You tried to file a complaint but
it was thrown out; funny you don't remember it, though.
>Any employee can be fired at anytime without cause by his/her
>employer. Such is the definition of being fired "without cause."
Simply not true, every state as well as Congress have laws in place to
protect permanent or tenured employees. Firing *always* requires
charges and evidence and an opportunity for the permanent employee to
rebut the accusations.
>> Probation does NOT mean no independence, it means your employment is
>> contingent on your results.
>That definition would not be applicable here either. There were no
>conditions for continued employment in the contract that was signed by
>me.
So if you did not sign a contract as a permanent employee your job was
contingent on your work product, which is pretty much what
"probationary employee" means.
>> Obviously your results were in line with
>> the standards of the practice.
Ambiguous, because I intended to write "Obviously your results were
*not* in line with the standards of the practice."
>Actually, the results exceeded the standards of the practice because
>they were the standards of Emory University Cardiology, which remains
>the "mecca" for percutaneous interventional cardiology procedures
>since Dr. Andreas Greuntzig:
You weren't working for EUC, but for the Ocala clinic; those were the
standards for your employment that you were unwilling to follow.
>> >"Don't worry about Dr. Hildner. He stopped seeing patients a year ago
>> >since having heart problems of his own so you will be moving into what
>> >was his office." -- another partner clarifying that Dr. Hildner would
>> >not be a supervisory physician as would have been the case if I were
>> >probationary.
Since he had stopped seeing patients but remained as a management
employee (Medical Director) he would not be supervising individual
doctors. Think back and try to remember who supervised you during
those 88 days.
>> So you were not succeeding him except in taking his old office,
>> contrary to your years-old claim that you were succeeding him
. . . thus implying that you were taking his position.
Moving into a vacated office is not really "succeeding," now, is it?
>As if newly elected Barack Obama would be just taking over the Oval
>Office and not succeeding President George Bush Jr.
You're not Barack Obama; not even a Dan Quayle. But you always
implied that you were succeeding Hildner as Medical Director, not just
taking over a caseload he had had previously. And, FYI, the Oval
Office will never be formally empty; one presidency ends and the other
begins at exactly the same time.
It's true that a different management level physician left the
practice about that time, but you weren't succeeding him, either.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> >>"You have carte blanche in how you diagnose and treat your patients,
> >>Andrew." -- partner answering question about clinical independence
>
> All that means is that you are expected to know and to practice
> medicine following normal practices and techniques.
Incorrect.
Clearly you have no understanding that clinical independence
necessarily means a physician is **not** on probation.
This simply shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit of
error (self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you as He has convicted other non-christians:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd
This is why you remain unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD" despite
the embarrassment it is causing you that the Spirit of truth will not
help you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/36d8c2791595a200?
Bottom line:
There is no truth in your heart.
May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c?
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Truth
wrote:
Clearly you are twisting words to suit your own nefarious purposes.
Physicians are commonly hired into practices with a probationary
period of several months to several years. During this time, their
clinical practice and interactions with staff and patients are
monitored on a periodic basis to see if they are "in step" with the
other physicians in the practice. If they are not "in step" they are
fired, or not made partner or their contract is not renewed. In your
case, your behavior was so extreme that you were fired in three months
time. Your contract was terminated early.
You were not "in step" and did not practice medicine up to minimum
standards, therefore you were fired. You did not leave voluntarily.
You did not have the option to stay on with the group in Ocala. You
were let go and have not had hospital affiliations or verifiable
employment since that time. You are unable to successfully get through
any credentialing processes of other groups or hospital medical staffs
because of your behavior and reputation.
Chung can't claim libel when what others say or write about him is
true. Chung is unfit to practice medicine by reasons of dishonesty,
mental illness and inability to practice medicine up to minimal
standards.
So Chung, as long as you are handing out subpoenas, please send one my
way. It would by my pleasure to testify against you. As a matter of
fact, I was already asked by an investigative agent of the Georgia
Medical Board to do so. I agreed but the agent has not yet followed up.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Not for either the discerning or those knowledgeable about physicians
who are on probation.
Clearly you continue to suffer from the delusion that you are a
physician just because you are using a sockpuppet that may have once
been a physician prior to blaspheming against the Holy Spirit ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?
... but has now been shown even by laypersons to be impaired at best
and an imposter at worst:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6e01386d85dcd1f1?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
<><
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Truth
wrote:
"Clearly you continue to suffer from the delusion that you are a
physician just because you are using a sockpuppet that may have once
been a physician prior to blaspheming against the Holy Spirit ... "
My what fancy dance steps you've attempted Andrew. You are so mired in
your lies and delusions that you have now idea how addled you sound to
the discerning and nondiscerning alike.
Truth
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
But lets get back to the meat of the matter. You were fired from your
job in Ocala, Fla because you were out of step with the other
cardiologists. Your contract was terminated early. You did not have
the option to stay with that group. They didn't want you around due to
your behavior with patients, staff and colleagues and your poor
medical practices that were not up to the minimal standards of the
community. The semantics of whether or not it was during a "probation"
period doesn't matter.
You haven't been able to find an employed position or to obtain
hospital privileges since then. You are not Board Certified in
Internal Medicine. You will not be able to recertify in Cardiology
when your certification runs out in 2010 because you do not have the
necessary patient contacts and good standing in the medical community
to recertify.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>job in Ocala, Fla because you were out of step with the other
>cardiologists.
Lie.
There is no such thing as "being out of step" with other physicians
much less cardiologists.
Practicing medicine is not a march and remains an art.
Truth is simple.
Would not have signed on to work at a place where the practice of
medicine is not allowed to be an art.
Indeed, received the assurance that they agreed about this need for
clinical independence prior to the start of the employment:
"You have carte blanche in how you diagnose and treat your patients,
Andrew." -- partner answering question about clinical independence
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly reveal your ongoing ignorance about medicine as it
is practiced by those who have been called to it:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7b29b813630dc816?
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BottomLine
What does Jesus want?
Don Kirkman
>satan masquerading as truth via a sockpuppet despairingly posted:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> satan masquerading as truth via a sockpuppet despairingly posted:
>>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>>> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4ef6df7b52f89024?
>>> > > > >> "You have carte blanche in how you diagnose and treat your patients,
>>> > > > >> Andrew." -- partner answering question about clinical independence
>>> > > > >> (probation means no clinical independence) at time of hiring.
>>> > > > All that means is that you are expected to know and to practice
>>> > > > medicine following normal practices and techniques.
>>> > > Incorrect.
>>> > > Clearly you have no understanding that clinical independence
>>> > > necessarily means a physician is **not** on probation.
>>> > Clearly you are twisting words to suit your own nefarious purposes.
>>> Not for either the discerning or those knowledgeable about physicians
>>> who are on probation.
I think I see your problem, Chung: you are talking about physicians
on disciplinary probation, with retention of license dependent on
conduct.
Temporary and probationary pertains to employment status, not
certification/licensing status. Not that I wouldn't recommend you for
the other kind, you understand.
>>But lets get back to the meat of the matter. You were fired from your
>>job in Ocala, Fla because you were out of step with the other
>>cardiologists.
>There is no such thing as "being out of step" with other physicians
>much less cardiologists.
>Practicing medicine is not a march and remains an art.
But the art you applied to your patients was out of step, not only
with all the rest of the physicians in your practice but also with
other community physicians who had referred patients to the practice
but complained about your work with them.
>Truth is simple.
>Would not have signed on to work at a place where the practice of
>medicine is not allowed to be an art.
>Indeed, received the assurance that they agreed about this need for
>clinical independence prior to the start of the employment:
>"You have carte blanche in how you diagnose and treat your patients,
>Andrew." -- partner answering question about clinical independence
That's right: independent for diagnosis and treatment, but not
independent of supervision and periodic review as befitted a novice on
probation.
>Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
>you to unwittingly reveal your ongoing ignorance about medicine as it
>is practiced by those who have been called to it:
The issue was precisely how *you* practiced medicine. Those who had
been called to it and called you to it seemed to agree that you were
not practicing it satisfactorily.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> I think I see your problem, Chung: you are talking about physicians
> on disciplinary probation, with retention of license dependent on
> conduct.
Being in the right context is not a problem for those of us who choose
to be guided by the Holy Spirit, Who is the Source of all
righteousness.
Here in these text-based Usenet newsgroups there has been no talking.
This simply shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit of
error (self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you.
May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul, dear Don:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What does Jesus want?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?
Truth
wrote:
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d088aa54f44d9d92?
>
> > I think I see your problem, Chung: you are talking about physicians
> > on disciplinary probation, with retention of license dependent on
> > conduct.
>
> Being in the right context is not a problem for those of us who choose
> to be guided by the Holy Spirit, Who is the Source of all
> righteousness.
>
> Here in these text-based Usenet newsgroups there has been no talking.
> Here in these text-based Usenet newsgroups there has been no talking.
Being so concrete and literal is a well known schizophrenic trait.
That Chung is unable to appreciate metaphors or common turns of phrase
is further evidence that he has lost his ability for abstract thought
and is exhibiting schizoid tendencies.
Bottom line Chung, you were fired from Ocala. Your contract was
terminated for unsatisfactory performance of your job. Since then you
have been unemployable and you are not able to get through
credentialing processes of hospitals due to your reputation.
>
Cary Kittrell
But aren't you're under the jurisdiction of the American view
of libel, rather than the British one? You could be in deep
trouble with the latter.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Susan wrote:
> > lilcatlady wrote:
> >
> > > I read something to that effect earlier. Thanks for your concern.
> > >
> > > I appreciate the fact that he is the only one that has taken the time
> > > to address my questions.
> > >
> > > I also like his web page and that he seems to be a profound Christian.
> > >
> > > I will be posting more questions and hope he will continue to reply.
> > > If anyone else wants to offer their opinion on them I would be
> > > grateful.
> > >
> > > Take care.
> >
> > No one else will be reading your posts;
>
> Obviously incorrect since you are not a "no one."
>
> > most folks reflexively kill file
> > anyone who quotes or responds to him.
>
> No such thing as a "kill file" reflex.
Actually, it's an intelligently considered act in that
case.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
So let's not be indirect: were you or were you not taking over
the good doctor's duties and authority?
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
> > >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
> >
> > > Lie.
> >
> > > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
> > > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
> > > public:
> >
> > You were probationary ...
>
> If I were probationary, would not have helped Dr. Hildner move boxes
> of his things out of his old office to his car as I moved my boxes in.
>
> > ... so cause was not necessary.
>
> When there is no public disclosure of cause, it is called "fired
> without cause."
If you were, for example, stealing from the narcotics cabinet
or having sex with patients, your superior could indeed
fire you with cause, without submitting you to the additional
punishment of public humiliation.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article
> <9335e9d0-2f6a-41bd...@17g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> >> >> >> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>
> >> >> >> > Lie.
>
> >> >> >> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
> >> >> >> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
> >> >> >> > public:
>
> Actually, as you may remember, after you were fired a review done
> outside the practice denied your claims, supported your firing, and
> changed the official description from "without cause" to "with cause,"
> thus denying you back pay you had tried to claim.
Fascinating. Are there still links to this information? I'd be
interested in learning more.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d088aa54f44d9d92?
> >
> > I think I see your problem, Chung: you are talking about physicians
> > on disciplinary probation, with retention of license dependent on
> > conduct.
>
> Being in the right context is not a problem for those of us who choose
> to be guided by the Holy Spirit, Who is the Source of all
> righteousness.
>
> Here in these text-based Usenet newsgroups there has been no talking.
Here in this Anglophonic culture, even neurologically-intact
six-year olds will easily recognize the connotations of "talking"
in this context.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
Actually one would hope that it remains a science, with a number
of commonly recognized precepts and guidelines.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Not while each person is a unique masterpiece created by GOD.
> , with a number
> of commonly recognized precepts and guidelines.
As if an artist does not use his/her knowledge to practice an art.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIs compelling
you to continue to unwittingly update folks on your inability to
publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?
Don Kirkman
<gicaqc$eab$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:
>Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net>
>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>> article
>> <9335e9d0-2f6a-41bd...@17g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:
>> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> >> >> >> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>> >> >> >> > Lie.
>> >> >> >> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
>> >> >> >> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
>> >> >> >> > public:
>> Actually, as you may remember, after you were fired a review done
>> outside the practice denied your claims, supported your firing, and
>> changed the official description from "without cause" to "with cause,"
>> thus denying you back pay you had tried to claim.
>Fascinating. Are there still links to this information? I'd be
>interested in learning more.
I don't know of a single source, but I've seen references to a lot of
it in sci.med.cardiology, particularly back when Bob Pastorio was
pointing out Chung's misstatements, misrepresentations, and
misbehaviors. Some of it was part of active discussions about the
time I joined the group, which would roughly be a year or so before or
after the turn of the century. Hildner's email was floating around in
those days, too. Searching Pastorio's posts might be the most
productive way to go.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
>
> >> >> >> >> > Lie.
>
> >> >> >> >> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
> >> >> >> >> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
> >> >> >> >> > public:
>
> >> Actually, as you may remember, after you were fired a review done
> >> outside the practice denied your claims, supported your firing, and
> >> changed the official description from "without cause" to "with cause,"
> >> thus denying you back pay you had tried to claim.
If this were true, there would be a report of this on the web sites of
either or both the Florida and Georgia Medical Board web sites. Folks
can simply check any time at these web sites to see for themselves
that you stand guilty of libel as dearly departed Bob Pastorio was
guilty and subsequently condemned of it.
"Vengeance is Mine." -- declares the LORD.
Amen.
Jesus is LORD ! ! !
> >Fascinating. Are there still links to this information? I'd be
> >interested in learning more.
>
> I don't know of a single source, but I've seen references to a lot of
> it in sci.med.cardiology, particularly back when Bob Pastorio was
> pointing out Chung's misstatements, misrepresentations, and
> misbehaviors.
Such is the shadowy origin of the lies from those who have only deceit
in their hearts.
Otoh, it remains my personal choice to continue to write truthfully
per the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Sadly the same could not have been written about our dearly departed
Bob Pastorio, nor presently about either you or dear Cary Kittrell.
It was not by chance that GOD struck down dear Bob with cancer slaying
him on Fool's day as a cautionary sign for all.
You and dear Cary would be wise to heed this sign from GOD.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you and Cary to unwittingly serve as sign posts to warn others away
from your misbehavior of sinning against the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.
Bottom line concerning the deceitful hearts of you and other non-
christians:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/36d8c2791595a200?
May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul, dear Don:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c?
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
Truth
wrote:
> It was not by chance that GOD struck down dear Bob with cancer slaying
> him on Fool's day as a cautionary sign for all.
>
> You and dear Cary would be wise to heed this sign from GOD.
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
> you and Cary to unwittingly serve as sign posts to warn others away
> from your misbehavior of sinning against the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
> Christ.
The belief that ones thoughts or actions caused an event in another
person is called ideas of reference and is a classic schizophrenic
trait, along with grandiosity and concrete interpretation of words.
(ex: Chung's claim that there is no speaking here in usenet because
it's a written medium. His retort anytime someone writes that he said"
something).
Chung continues to exhibit more and more signs of mental illness.
Chunks sez-----------
"If this were true, there would be a report of this on the web sites
of
either or both the Florida and Georgia Medical Board web sites."
-----------------
Incorrect.
It would not necessarily appear on those sites. Lucky for you the
being fired in Ocala is not something that the hospital was mandated
to report to the boards.
Chung, you were fired in Ocala. Perhaps they worded the action so that
you would not be subject to a National Practioners Data Bank Report
which is lucky for you and they were trying to be nice. As far as the
Georgia and Florida Medical Board websites, those rely on physician's
self report of having been fired or having had privileges not renewed
on a medical staff. Observing the way you twist words to suit your own
interpretation, I am sure that you did not answer the questions in the
way that they were intended to be answered. In other words, you lied
on your disclosures to those state boards only in your twisted mind
you don't think that you did.
Your day is coming, though. You will not be able to recertify in
Cardiology when that comes due in 2010. The Georgia Medical Board is
aware of you and has made inquiries into your lack of clinical patient
encounters, your dishonesty (sold emorycadiology.com for 1 million,
did you?) your mental illness and your inability to practice medicine
up to minimal standards.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
>The belief that ones thoughts or actions caused an event in another
>person is called ideas of reference and is a classic schizophrenic
>trait ...
It remains my personal choice to die to self (ego) daily while serving
as witness to all the amazing things the LORD Almighty GOD is doing.
It also remains my personal choice to continue be mindful of WDJW by
rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ee61d078f539ef44?
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BottomLine
What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?
Cary Kittrell
Cardiology is not a science... Do I now begin to understand
the fleeting nature of your employment in Ocala?
>
> > , with a number
> > of commonly recognized precepts and guidelines.
>
> As if an artist does not use his/her knowledge to practice an art.
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIs compelling
> you to continue to unwittingly update folks on your inability to
> publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
Do you also praise HIM for compelling you to continue to write
untruthfully about me, or is that your own choice?
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > >> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> >> >> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> Chung was fired for cause from his job in Ocala.
> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Lie.
> >
> > >> >> >> >> > If there were cause, Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to post
> > >> >> >> >> > to my web site in an attempt to coerce me not to make the issue
> > >> >> >> >> > public:
> >
> > >> Actually, as you may remember, after you were fired a review done
> > >> outside the practice denied your claims, supported your firing, and
> > >> changed the official description from "without cause" to "with cause,"
> > >> thus denying you back pay you had tried to claim.
>
> If this were true, there would be a report of this on the web sites of
> either or both the Florida and Georgia Medical Board web sites.
Really? Can you point to such a report on either site where
there is such a report regarding any physician?
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
OK, thanks.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
Is the Board aware that every adult human in the world should
be eating precisely two pounds of food a day?
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
And the other approximately 11,000 Americans who died on the
same day? Was each of them also a sign from GOD regarding your
inconsequential toy battles with amused posters to Usenet?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> Cardiology is not a science...
Not in the context of the practice of medicine.
Patients should not be dehumanized as they would be by scientists.
Perhaps Laura Halverson would care to enlighten you.
She did post the following link that may help you and others
understand:
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update us on your inability to publicly say "Jesus
is LORD."
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/36a0cccfa98faee7?
> >
> > Cardiology is not a science...
>
> Not
You snip, then I snip.
Got it?
Good.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Susan wrote:
> > lilcatlady wrote:
> >
> > > I read something to that effect earlier. Thanks for your concern.
> > >
> > > I appreciate the fact that he is the only one that has taken the time
> > > to address my questions.
> > >
> > > I also like his web page and that he seems to be a profound Christian.
> > >
> > > I will be posting more questions and hope he will continue to reply.
> > > If anyone else wants to offer their opinion on them I would be
> > > grateful.
> > >
> > > Take care.
> >
> > No one else will be reading your posts;
>
> Obviously incorrect since you are not a "no one."
>
> > most folks reflexively kill file
> > anyone who quotes or responds to him.
>
> No such thing as a "kill file" reflex.
>
> with the desire to illicit a written response
Just because English grammar allows any adjective to be verbed,
that still doesn't excuse doing so.
-- cary
> which would be
> unsatisfied if either the "kill file" actually happens or the target
> ignores the vacuous threat. The latter is easy for those of us who
> are mindful of WDJW so that we continue to do what GOD desires rather
> than what others (including self) want.
>
> "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> (Matthew 11:30)
>
> Amen.
>
> <><
>
> "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
> 12:3)
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> You snip, then I snip.
>
> Got it?
Does not bother me at all.
Such is the utility of GOD's peace which surpasses worldly
understanding.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update us on your not having either His peace or
His help in publicly saying "Jesus is LORD."
Don Kirkman
<giejep$57r$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:
>In article <e8851254-39e2-4f8b...@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
>> convicted neighbor Susan wrote:
>> > lilcatlady wrote:
>> >
>> > > I read something to that effect earlier. Thanks for your concern.
>> > >
>> > > I appreciate the fact that he is the only one that has taken the time
>> > > to address my questions.
>> > >
>> > > I also like his web page and that he seems to be a profound Christian.
>> > >
>> > > I will be posting more questions and hope he will continue to reply.
>> > > If anyone else wants to offer their opinion on them I would be
>> > > grateful.
>> > >
>> > > Take care.
>> >
>> > No one else will be reading your posts;
>>
>> Obviously incorrect since you are not a "no one."
>>
>> > most folks reflexively kill file
>> > anyone who quotes or responds to him.
>>
>> No such thing as a "kill file" reflex.
>>
>> Moreover, those who write that they have "kill filled" another do so
>> with the desire to illicit a written response
Doctor, please explain how kill filing someone makes a written
response illegal. Or did you have some other word in mind but mangled
the spelling?
>Just because English grammar allows any adjective to be verbed,
>that still doesn't excuse doing so.
>
>
>-- cary
>
>> which would be
>> unsatisfied if either the "kill file" actually happens or the target
>> ignores the vacuous threat. The latter is easy for those of us who
>> are mindful of WDJW so that we continue to do what GOD desires rather
>> than what others (including self) want.
>>
>> "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>> (Matthew 11:30)
>>
>> Amen.
>>
>> <><
>>
>> "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
>> 12:3)
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?
>
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> with the desire to elicit a written response
>
> Doctor, please explain how kill filing someone makes a written
> response illegal. Or did you have some other word in mind but mangled
> the spelling?
"Bitter is the fruit of the non-christian." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
Cary Kittrell
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cary Kittrell wrote in article
> <giejep$57r$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:
>
> >In article <e8851254-39e2-4f8b...@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
> >> convicted neighbor Susan wrote:
> >> > lilcatlady wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I read something to that effect earlier. Thanks for your concern.
> >> > >
> >> > > I appreciate the fact that he is the only one that has taken the time
> >> > > to address my questions.
> >> > >
> >> > > I also like his web page and that he seems to be a profound Christian.
> >> > >
> >> > > I will be posting more questions and hope he will continue to reply.
> >> > > If anyone else wants to offer their opinion on them I would be
> >> > > grateful.
> >> > >
> >> > > Take care.
> >> >
> >> > No one else will be reading your posts;
> >>
> >> Obviously incorrect since you are not a "no one."
> >>
> >> > most folks reflexively kill file
> >> > anyone who quotes or responds to him.
> >>
> >> No such thing as a "kill file" reflex.
> >>
> >> Moreover, those who write that they have "kill filled" another do so
> >> with the desire to illicit a written response
>
> Doctor, please explain how kill filing someone makes a written
> response illegal. Or did you have some other word in mind but mangled
> the spelling?
Oh, killfiling is fraught with all manner of ethical pitfalls. Do
you not remember that Andrew has instructed us:
Actually, the act of killfilling someone here on usenet
is acting on the thought of killing someone which is sin.
Does this make Susan an accessory to pretend-murder?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > lilcatlady wrote:
> > >
> > > > I read something to that effect earlier. Thanks for your concern.
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate the fact that he is the only one that has taken the time
> > > > to address my questions.
> > > >
> > > > I also like his web page and that he seems to be a profound Christian.
> > > >
> > > > I will be posting more questions and hope he will continue to reply.
> > > > If anyone else wants to offer their opinion on them I would be
> > > > grateful.
> > > >
> > > > Take care.
> > >
> > > No one else will be reading your posts;
> >
> > Obviously incorrect since you are not a "no one."
> >
> > > most folks reflexively kill file
> > > anyone who quotes or responds to him.
> >
> > No such thing as a "kill file" reflex.
>
> Actually, it's an intelligently considered act in that
> case.
Actually, at best it is a sign of having less free will to choose to
ignore things and at worst a lie.
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
Don Kirkman
article
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> Moreover, those who write that they have "kill filed" another do so
>> >> with the desire to elicit a written response
>> Doctor, please explain how kill filing someone makes a written
>> response illegal. Or did you have some other word in mind but mangled
>> the spelling?
>"Bitter is the fruit of the non-christian." -- Holy Spirit
But we're not talking about horticulture or strange fruit; we talking
about illegality, which you allege is the fruit of killfiling. And
for the terminally obsession, yes, we are "talking" to use everyday
common wordage.
So, to return to what you mentally snipped (ignored), " Doctor,
please explain how kill filing someone makes a written response
illegal. Or did you have some other word in mind but mangled the
spelling?"
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> >> Moreover, those who write that they have "kill filed" another do so
> >> >> with the desire to elicit a written response
>
> >> Doctor, please explain how kill filing someone makes a written
> >> response illegal. Or did you have some other word in mind but mangled
> >> the spelling?
>
> >"Bitter is the fruit of the non-christian." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> But we're not talking about horticulture or strange fruit; we talking
> about illegality, which you allege is the fruit of killfiling.
Actually, we have not been talking about anything here in this text-
based medium.
Instead, this written discourse has been about the bitterness of non-
christians, who like you are unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > >> Moreover, those who write that they have "kill filed" another do so
> > >> with the desire to elicit a written response
> >
> > Doctor, please explain how kill filing someone makes a written
> > response illegal. Or did you have some other word in mind but mangled
> > the spelling?
My goodness, just lookie there! Somehow, between the time that
good neighbor Don quoth:
>> Moreover, those who write that they have "kill filled" another do so
>> with the desire to illicit a written response
> Doctor, please explain how kill filing someone makes a written
> response illegal. Or did you have some other word in mind but mangled
> the spelling?
between then and your reply, his quoted "illicit" had somehow,
amazingly, been transformed into "elicit" in your response.
Have we witnessed a miracle? The finger of GOD mysteriously
back-editing the thread? One of those "alternate realities"
you seem for some reason to have stopped bringing up?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> My goodness, just lookie there!
Yes, bitter fruit.
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4267bce3a045a37b?
> >
> > My goodness, just lookie there!
>
> Yes, bitter fruit.
No, silly, not there; HERE:
Somehow, between the time that
good neighbor Don quoth:
>> Moreover, those who write that they have "kill filled" another do so
>> with the desire to illicit a written response
> Doctor, please explain how kill filing someone makes a written
> response illegal. Or did you have some other word in mind but mangled
> the spelling?
between then and your reply, his quoted "illicit" had somehow,
amazingly, been transformed into "elicit" in your response.
Have we witnessed a miracle? The finger of GOD mysteriously
back-editing the thread? One of those "alternate realities"
you seem for some reason to have stopped bringing up?
-- cary
Got an explanation?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4267bce3a045a37b?
> > >
> > > My goodness, just lookie there!
> >
> > Yes, bitter fruit.
>
> No, silly, not there; HERE:
Still no video of your publicly saying "Jesus is LORD" at a stadium
event on 10/03/2008 as you allege:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4267bce3a045a37b?
> > > >
> > > > My goodness, just lookie there!
> > >
> > > Yes, bitter fruit.
> >
> > No, silly, not there; HERE:
>
> St
Somehow, between the time that
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Don Kirkman
article
>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4267bce3a045a37b?
>> My goodness, just lookie there!
>Yes, bitter fruit.
You have no inkling what "bitter fruit" is, do you? Doesn't matter,
cuz that's not what I wrote but it's another of your "improvements." I
wrote "strange fruit," which you would do well to research and add to
your vocabulary. You might even find Billie Holiday singing about it.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4267bce3a045a37b?
>
> >> My goodness, just lookie there!
>
> >Yes, bitter fruit.
>
> You have no inkling what "bitter fruit" is, do you?
Fruit that GOD does not want.
Such is the predicament of all those who are unable to publicly say
"Jesus is LORD:"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7450430959d1363?
Cary Kittrell
Hey, you say "tomato", Andy says, "tomahto"; you quote "illicit",
he (boldly in the Holy Spirit, no doubt) post-edits "elicit"...
Let's call the whole thing off?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Hey, you say "tomato", Andy says, "tomahto";
Nothing is being said here in this text-based medium.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update folks on your being unable to publicly say
"Jesus is LORD" because the Holy Spirit has looked into your heart,
judged its contents, and concluded He will not help you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c805a3fe6c8c39c9?
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >
> > Hey, you say "tomato", Andy says, "tomahto";
>
> Nothing is being said here in this text-based medium.
To those of us who are discerning, many things are said here.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > >
> > > Hey, you say "tomato", Andy says, "tomahto";
> >
> > Nothing is being said here in this text-based medium.
>
> To those of us who are discerning, many things are said here.
Instead of discerning, you remain delusional as evident by your false
belief that you were able to publicly say "Jesus is LORD" before a
stadium full of people on 10/02/2008:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Such is the psychotic state of non-christians:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7450430959d1363?
Don Kirkman
>In article <895a8a16-f6d1-43cc...@f20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > Hey, you say "tomato", Andy says, "tomahto";
>> Nothing is being said here in this text-based medium.
>To those of us who are discerning, many things are said here.
You don't say! :-)
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> >To those of us who are discerning, many things are said here.
>
> You don't say! :-)
He can't say it:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
And, neither can you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/36d8c2791595a200?
Truth is simple :-)
Cary Kittrell
I do say indeed. And I say further that ol' Andy seems to be ducking
the question as to whether it was the Holy Spirit which led him
to post-edit your accurately-quoted "illicit" to "elicit", thus
making it appear that you had written something you had not.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> I do say indeed.
Thus, showing that you remain disconnected from reality.
Such is the condition of all those who deny the LORD, Who is the
Author of all reality.
> And I say further that ol' Andy seems to be ducking
>the question as to whether it was the Holy Spirit which led him
>to post-edit your accurately-quoted "illicit" to "elicit", thus
>making it appear that you had written something you had not.
The Holy Spirit remains right to guide me to correct spelling errors
especially when those errors are causing confusion that is either
feigned or real.
Truth is simple.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly continue to update folks on your being unable to
publicly say "Jesus is LORD" as you claimed to have happened on
10/03/08 at a stadium event:
Cary Kittrell
>
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>
> > I do say indeed.
>
> Thus, showing that you remain disconnected from reality.
We really, really need a new, special and distinct word for irony
that deep...
>
> Such is the condition of all those who deny the LORD, Who is the
> Author of all reality.
>
> > And I say further that ol' Andy seems to be ducking
> >the question as to whether it was the Holy Spirit which led him
> >to post-edit your accurately-quoted "illicit" to "elicit", thus
> >making it appear that you had written something you had not.
>
> The Holy Spirit remains right to guide me to correct spelling errors
> especially when those errors are causing confusion that is either
> feigned or real.
Oh, no confusion at all: you made a mistake, others
pointed it out in a humorous manner, you avoided replying.
No confusion at all. Truth is simple.
--cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >
>
> We really, really need a new, special and distinct word for irony
> that deep...
Truth is irony for the untruthful, such as you are.
> > Such is the condition of all those who deny the LORD, Who is the
> > Author of all reality.
> >
> > > And I say further that ol' Andy seems to be ducking
> > >the question as to whether it was the Holy Spirit which led him
> > >to post-edit your accurately-quoted "illicit" to "elicit", thus
> > >making it appear that you had written something you had not.
> >
> > The Holy Spirit remains right to guide me to correct spelling errors
> > especially when those errors are causing confusion that is either
> > feigned or real.
>
> Oh, no confusion at all: you made a mistake, others
> pointed it out in a humorous manner, you avoided replying.
The Holy Spirit guided me to respond by correcting the spelling error.
Am reminded that if I were perfect, no longer making mistakes, there
would no longer be a need for guidance from the Holy Spirit.
Truth is simple :-)
> No confusion at all. Truth is simple.
> >
> > Truth is simple.
:-)
duke
Kittrell) wrote:
>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
>>
>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>>
>> > I do say indeed.
>>
>> Thus, showing that you remain disconnected from reality.
>
>We really, really need a new, special and distinct word for irony
>that deep...
One need not worry about irony when one deals with unquestioned ignorance as you
present.
>Oh, no confusion at all: you made a mistake, others
>pointed it out in a humorous manner, you avoided replying.
>No confusion at all. Truth is simple.
Right.
>
>
>--cary
>
>>
>> Truth is simple.
>>
>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
>> you to unwittingly continue to update folks on your being unable to
>> publicly say "Jesus is LORD" as you claimed to have happened on
>> 10/03/08 at a stadium event:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
>> <><
>>
>> "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
>> 12:3)
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
>> What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c805a3fe6c8c39c9?
>
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Don Kirkman
Let's split up the workload; you watch for "illicit' "elicit"
"Eleatic"" and for lagniappe "eldritch" and I'll watch for the logical
reason and the supporting evidence that made him decide I am not a
Christian. And Merry Mary Christmas and a Happy News Year.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
celebration of the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the
Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
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