A Spirit-guided thought about WDJW...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
all you ends of the earth;
for I am GOD, and there is no other.
By Myself I have sworn,
MY mouth has uttered in all integrity
a word that will not be revoked:
Before Me every knee will bow;
by Me every tongue will swear.
They will say of Me, 'In the LORD alone
are righteousness and strength.' "
All who have raged against Him
will come to Him and be put to shame.
But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel
will be found righteous and will exult."
-- LORD Almighty GOD (Isaiah 45:22-25)
Amen.
Jesus is LORD ! ! !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfcnX4yWbY
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful:
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
May all souls choose to become healthier:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHealthy
A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Phoenix Rising
“The Jones Town Massacre”. 912 followers of American cult leader Jim
Jones ("Peoples Temple") died in a remote South American jungle
compound called "Jonestown" in British Guyana. Some members were shot,
others were forced to drink poison, but most willingly participated in
what Jones said was an act of "revolutionary suicide." More than 280
children were killed. Jim Jones body was found at Jonestown, fatally
wounded by a gunshot to the head.
I thought share that with you before you move on because I pose a hard
question for you today. It’s a beautiful sunny holiday break from
work and you are with your church congregation. The sky is blue
without a cloud in the sky and shadows are coming across the walls of
the court yard of the assembly.
Today we have another cult leader and when he came into town, most of
the city hailed him as the “Son of Yahweh” as he rode into town.
Today, you are the jury to decide the fate of a man on trial. When
questioned by government authorities, the man only replied, “You would
possess no authority against Me if it were not given you from above.
Because of this, he who delivered Me to you has greater sin.”
Your church leader, who is standing watching over you, has said, “It
was better that one man should die for the people.” And as you guessed
the man on trial is Yehoshua the Messiah, Son of Elohim.
Knowing all the information before hand… given all the history that
you now know… I pose to you this question… If you were one of the
many people in that square, even having the hindsight that you have of
all the events of world history, would you have voted for his
execution?
For those of you who automatically say no, hold up… because if you
believe that all of human history to follow is saved by this one man’s
blood on that cross... Aren’t you condemning billions to hell?
So… who would you free? Barabbas the serial killer or Yehoshua, The
king of the Jews.
Shalom,
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a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks real advance in
science.
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The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of
speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood.
Otto von Bismarck
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/846e0ba1c9f66eb1?
>
> On November 18, 1978, cult leader Jim Jones led what has been called,
> “The Jones Town Massacre”.
Jesus is not a cult leader.
Instead, He is LORD:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?
"I am the way and the truth and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John
14:6)
Amen.
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue be
mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD
desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?
Les Hellawell
<mr_snow...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Catholics seem to think he is already dead. In a few days
(Dec 25 - Thor's Day ) they will be taking a dead suckling baby Jesus
and serving him up in slices raw* at their annual Christ Mass Merry
feast with some sage and onion stuffing.
*(Or do they roast it first over a spit?)
[note: for irony challenged readers I do know
they only pretend to eat the baby Jesus substituting
Christ Mass crackers for the flesh but they are supposed
to really believe that's what they are doing]
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Lee
McDonalds happy burger, Cliff Richards singles, dropping of high buildings
but he is a tough little fucker and kept resurrecting so, as he was looking
a bit threadbare I sealed him up in a lead box full of H2SO4 and buried it
under a pile of manure at a local dairy farm.
last_per...@yahoo.com
Man, the mental illness of the atheist retard in full bloom!! Do you
usually
live in a cardboard box and mumble a lot retard? <g>
Lee
<last_per...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No I had a cardboard box once but the lake of fire burned it all up so I
spend most of my days surfing the sulphur clouds over Hades on a surfboard
constructed from the remains of a dead pope, listening to loud metal and
watching the dammed gnash there teeth down there in the lava pools.
JohnN
wrote:
...
>
> Your church leader, who is standing watching over you, has said, “It
> was better that one man should die for the people.” And as you guessed
> the man on trial is Yehoshua the Messiah, Son of Elohim.
>
> Knowing all the information before hand… given all the history that
> you now know… I pose to you this question… If you were one of the
> many people in that square, even having the hindsight that you have of
> all the events of world history, would you have voted for his
> execution?
>
> For those of you who automatically say no, hold up… because if you
> believe that all of human history to follow is saved by this one man’s
> blood on that cross... Aren’t you condemning billions to hell?
>
> So… who would you free? Barabbas the serial killer or Yehoshua, The
> king of the Jews.
According to dogma, he had to die and somebody had to kill him. You
see the Almighty God could not forgive the sin he gave all of humanity
so his son had to die.
But he really didn't die; he was resurrected, so Jesus had a very,
very, very bad weekend.
I don't understand it, but it’s not my delusion.
JohnN
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>According to dogma, he had to die and somebody had to kill him.
Incorrect.
According to GOD's law, the penalty for sin is death.
That is the price of sin, which is going against what GOD wants either
in thought or action.
"The wages of sin is death." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
May reading the following help promote better understanding:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist
May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a
blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Cary Kittrell
>
> JohnN <jnor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >According to dogma, he had to die and somebody had to kill him.
>
> Incorrect.
Entirely correct. If Pilate had said "Ah, what the heck. Take
a hike, and never dark my door again", then GOD's grand
plan for sacrifice and redemption would have come a cropper,
and He would have had to go looking for some other way
to have his Son offed.
[and right here is where you, helpless, will find yourself
compelled to insert your "cannot say `Jesus is LORD' boilerplate]
-- cary
Davej
wrote:
> On November 18, 1978, cult leader Jim Jones led what has been called,
> “The Jones Town Massacre”. 912 followers of American cult leader Jim
> Jones ("Peoples Temple") died in a remote South American jungle
WTF? A psycho-Chung sock? There is no independent evidence, no roman
record, that Jesus existed or was killed by a roman decree.
Anon
Hatter
That would make a really big pot of Hossenfeffer stew!
Hatter
guardian Snow
Prize for the funniest answer. The interesting thing is that
Christians aren't saying, "No".
Agent Haskell, IRS
wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > “The Jones Town Massacre”.
>
> Jesus is not a cult leader.
Jesus isn't a cult leader like Nixon wasn't a crook.
Lord Vetinari
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Ummmm...."loud metal".....is there another sort?
Lord Vetinari
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> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
>>
>> JohnN <jnor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >According to dogma, he had to die and somebody had to kill him.
>>
>> Incorrect.
>
> Entirely correct. If Pilate had said "Ah, what the heck. Take
> a hike, and never dark my door again", then GOD's grand
> plan for sacrifice and redemption would have come a cropper,
> and He would have had to go looking for some other way
> to have his Son offed.
He coulda just put out a hit on him...come to think of it, ain't that kinda
what he did (pretending it happened at all, of course)?
Lord Vetinari
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: On Dec 10, 1:54 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: That would make a really big pot of Hossenfeffer stew!
Where's my hasenpfeffer?
*I eat bunny*
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Alex W.
"Lord Vetinari" <veti...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>
> Ummmm...."loud metal".....is there another sort?
Yes.
Deafening Metal.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Instead, true Christians are publicly proclaiming the following ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfcnX4yWbY
... and while being mindful of WDJW, doing the following ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Hatter
> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I"ve roasted rabbit, I've barbequed it,....frankly it tastes like
chicken. Unless you stew it....then there is no other flavor like it.
Hatter
Lord Vetinari
It may taste like chicken to Frank, but to me, it tastes like bunny. Bunny
has a LOT less fat, to the point that one cannot live on bunny alone.
Me, I like the flavor.
MarkA
>
> Today we have another cult leader and when he came into town, most of
> the city hailed him as the “Son of Yahweh” as he rode into town.
I suspect that "most of the city" didn't know, or care, who the fuck he
was.
> Today, you are the jury to decide the fate of a man on trial. When
> questioned by government authorities, the man only replied, “You would
> possess no authority against Me if it were not given you from above.
> Because of this, he who delivered Me to you has greater sin.”
>
> Your church leader, who is standing watching over you, has said, “It
> was better that one man should die for the people.” And as you guessed
> the man on trial is Yehoshua the Messiah, Son of Elohim.
Why would you "guess" that?
> Knowing all the information before hand… given all the history that
> you now know… I pose to you this question… If you were one of the
> many people in that square, even having the hindsight that you have of
> all the events of world history, would you have voted for his execution?
>
Of course. The man was a blasphemer, calling himself the Messiah. When
the Pharisees asked him for some sign that he really was the Messiah
(after all, they had prophets calling themselves 'Messiah' popping up
every week), he basically said, "Fuck you!" What choice did they have?
> For those of you who automatically say no, hold up… because if you
> believe that all of human history to follow is saved by this one man’s
> blood on that cross... Aren’t you condemning billions to hell?
No. Any god that would condemn billions to hell for the crime of not
believing that a particular prophet is the right prophet is clearly
sadistic and malevolent. Such a god could not possibly be appeased by
anything you can do. We're all screwed.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
> ... and while being mindful of WDJW, doing the following ...
Kill yourself (Matt 16:25)
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
Atheists didn't kill a sixth of the population of Central Europe -
Christians did.
Not authentic without this signature.
Anon
What is an Agnostic?
Bertrand Russell
What Is an agnostic?
An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as
God
and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are
concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present
time.
Are agnostics atheists?
No. An atheist, like a Christian, holds that we can know whether or not
there is a God. The Christian holds that we can know there is a God; the
atheist, that we can know there is not. The Agnostic suspends judgment,
saying that there are not sufficient grounds either for affirmation or
for denial. At the same time, an Agnostic may hold that the existence of
God, though not impossible, is very improbable; he may even hold it so
improbable that it is not worth considering in practice. In that case,
he
is not far removed from atheism. His attitude may be that which a
careful
philosopher would have towards the gods of ancient Greece. If I were
asked to prove that Zeus and Poseidon and Hera and the rest of the
Olympians do not exist, I should be at a loss to find conclusive
arguments. An Agnostic may think the Christian God as improbable as the
Olympians; in that case, he is, for practical purposes, at one with the
atheists.
Since you deny `God's Law', what authority do you accept as a guide to
conduct?
An Agnostic does not accept any `authority' in the sense in which
religious people do. He holds that a man should think out questions of
conduct for himself. Of course, he will seek to profit by the wisdom of
others, but he will have to select for himself the people he is to
consider wise, and he will not regard even what they say as
unquestionable. He will observe that what passes as `God's law' varies
from time to time. The Bible says both that a woman must not marry her
deceased husband's brother, and that, in certain circumstances, she must
do so. If you have the misfortune to be a childless widow with an
unmarried brother-in-law, it is logically impossible for you to avoid
disobeying `God's law'.
How do you know what is good and what is evil? What does an agnostic
consider a sin?
The Agnostic is not quite so certain as some Christians are as to what
is
good and what is evil. He does not hold, as most Christians in the past
held, that people who disagree with the government on abstruse points of
theology ought to suffer a painful death. He is against persecution, and
rather chary of moral condemnation.
As for `sin', he thinks it not a useful notion. He admits, of course,
that some kinds of conduct are desirable and some undesirable, but he
holds that the punishment of undesirable kinds is only to be commended
when it is deterrent or reformatory, not when it is inflicted because it
is thought a good thing on its own account that the wicked should
suffer.
It was this belief in vindictive punishment that made men accept Hell.
This is part of the harm done by the notion of `sin'.
Does an agnostic do whatever he pleases?
In one sense, no; in another sense, everyone does whatever he pleases.
Suppose, for example, you hate someone so much that you would like to
murder him. Why do you not do so? You may reply: "Because religion tells
me that murder is a sin." But as a statistical fact, agnostics are not
more prone to murder than other people, in fact, rather less so. They
have the same motives for abstaining from murder as other people have.
Far and away the most powerful of these motives is the fear of
punishment. In lawless conditions, such as a gold rush, all sorts of
people will commit crimes, although in ordinary circumstances they would
have been law-abiding. There is not only actual legal punishment; there
is the discomfort of dreading discovery, and the loneliness of knowing
that, to avoid being hated, you must wear a mask with even your closest
intimates. And there is also what may be called "conscience": If you
ever
contemplated a murder, you would dread the horrible memory of your
victim's last moments or lifeless corpse. All this, it is true, depends
upon your living in a law-abiding community, but there are abundant
secular reasons for creating and preserving such a community.
I said that there is another sense in which every man does as he
pleases.
No one but a fool indulges every impulse, but what holds a desire in
check is always some other desire. A man's anti-social wishes may be
restrained by a wish to please God, but they may also be restrained by a
wish to please his friends, or to win the respect of his community, or
to
be able to contemplate himself without disgust. But if he has no such
wishes, the mere abstract concepts of morality will not keep him
straight.
How does an agnostic regard the Bible?
An agnostic regards the Bible exactly as enlightened clerics regard it.
He does not think that it is divinely inspired; he thinks its early
history legendary, and no more exactly true than that in Homer; he
thinks
its moral teaching sometimes good, but sometimes very bad. For example:
Samuel ordered Saul, in a war, to kill not only every man, woman, and
child of the enemy, but also all the sheep and cattle. Saul, however,
let
the sheep and the cattle live, and for this we are told to condemn him.
I
have never been able to admire Elisha for cursing the children who
laughed at him, or to believe (what the Bible asserts) that a benevolent
Deity would send two she-bears to kill the children.
How does an agnostic regard Jesus, the Virgin Birth, and the Holy
Trinity?
Since an agnostic does not believe in God, he cannot think that Jesus
was
God. Most agnostics admire the life and moral teachings of Jesus as told
in the Gospels, but not necessarily more than those of certain other
men.
Some would place him on a level with Buddha, some with Socrates and some
with Abraham Lincoln. Nor do they think that what He said is not open to
question, since they do not accept any authority as absolute.
They regard the Virgin Birth as a doctrine taken over from pagan
mythology, where such births were not uncommon. (Zoroaster was said to
have been born of a virgin; Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess, is called
the
Holy Virgin.) They cannot give credence to it, or to the doctrine of the
Trinity, since neither is possible without belief in God.
Can an agnostic be a Christian?
The word "Christian" has had various different meanings at different
times. Throughout most of the centuries since the time of Christ, it has
meant a person who believed God and immortality and held that Christ was
God. But Unitarians call themselves Christians, although they do not
believe in the divinity of Christ, and many people nowadays use the word
"God" in a much less precise sense than that which it used to bear. Many
people who say they believe in God no longer mean a person, or a trinity
of persons, but only a vague tendency or power or purpose immanent in
evolution. Others, going still further, mean by "Christianity" merely a
system of ethics which, since they are ignorant of history, they imagine
to be characteristic of Christians only.
When, in a recent book, I said that what the world needs is "love,
Christian love, or compassion," many people thought this showed some
changes in my views, although in fact, I might have said the same thing
at any time. If you mean by a "Christian" a man who loves his neighbor,
who has wide sympathy with suffering, and who ardently desires a world
freed from the cruelties and abominations which at present disfigure it,
then, certainly, you will be justified in calling me a Christian. And,
in
this sense, I think you will find more "Christians" among agnostics than
among the orthodox. But, for my part, I cannot accept such a definition.
Apart from other objections to it, it seems rude to Jews, Buddhists,
Mohammedans, and other non-Christians, who, so far as history shows,
have
been at least as apt as Christians to practice the virtues which some
modern Christians arrogantly claim as distinctive of their own religion.
I think also that all who called themselves Christians in an earlier
time, and a great majority of those who do so at the present day, would
consider that belief in God and immortality is essential to a Christian.
On these grounds, I should not call myself a Christian, and I should say
that an agnostic cannot be a Christian. But, if the word "Christianity"
comes to be generally used to mean merely a kind of morality, then it
will certainly be possible for an agnostic to be a Christian.
Does an agnostic deny that man has a soul?
This question has no precise meaning unless we are given a definition of
the word "soul." I suppose what is meant is, roughly, something
nonmaterial which persists throughout a person's life and even, for
those
who believe in immortality, throughout all future time. If this is what
is meant, an agnostic is not likely to believe that man has a soul. But
I
must hasten to add that this does not mean that an agnostic must be a
materialist. Many agnostics (including myself) are quite as doubtful of
the body as they are of the soul, but this is a long story taking one
into difficult metaphysics. Mind and matter alike, I should say, are
only
convenient symbols in discourse, not actually existing things.
Does an agnostic believe in a hereafter, in Heaven or Hell?
The question whether people survive death is one as to which evidence is
possible. Psychical research and spiritualism are thought by many to
supply such evidence. An agnostic, as such, does not take a view about
survival unless he thinks that there is evidence one way or the other.
For my part, I do not think there is any good reason to believe that we
survive death, but I am open to conviction if adequate evidence should
appear.
Heaven and hell are a different matter. Belief in hell is bound up with
the belief that the vindictive punishment of sin is a good thing, quite
independently of any reformative or deterrent effect that it may have.
Hardly an agnostic believes this. As for heaven, there might conceivably
someday be evidence of its existence through spiritualism, but most
agnostics do not think that there is such evidence, and therefore do not
believe in heaven.
Are you never afraid of God's judgment in denying Him?
Most certainly not. I also deny Zeus and Jupiter and Odin and Brahma,
but
this causes me no qualms. I observe that a very large portion of the
human race does not believe in God and suffers no visible punishment in
consequence. And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He
would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt
His
existence.
How do agnostics explain the beauty and harmony of nature?
I do not understand where this "beauty" and "harmony" are supposed to be
found. Throughout the animal kingdom, animals ruthlessly prey upon each
other. Most of them are either cruelly killed by other animals or slowly
die of hunger. For my part, I am unable to see any great beauty or
harmony in the tapeworm. Let it not be said that this creature is sent
as
a punishment for our sins, for it is more prevalent among animals than
among humans. I suppose the questioner is thinking of such things as the
beauty of the starry heavens. But one should remember that stars every
now and again explode and reduce everything in their neighborhood to a
vague mist. Beauty, in any case, is subjective and exists only in the
eye
of the beholder.
How do agnostics explain miracles and other revelations of God's
omnipotence?
Agnostics do not think that there is any evidence of "miracles" in the
sense of happenings contrary to natural law. We know that faith healing
occurs and is in no sense miraculous. At Lourdes, certain diseases can
be
cured and others cannot. Those that can be cured at Lourdes can probably
be cured by any doctor in whom the patient has faith. As for the records
of other miracles, such as Joshua commanding the sun to stand still, the
agnostic dismisses them as legends and points to the fact that all
religions are plentifully supplied with such legends. There is just as
much miraculous evidence for the Greek gods in Homer as for the
Christian
God in the Bible.
There have been base and cruel passions, which religion opposes. If you
abandon religious principles, could mankind exist?
The existence of base and cruel passions is undeniable, but I find no
evidence in history that religion has opposed these passions. On the
contrary, it has sanctified them, and enabled people to indulge them
without remorse. Cruel persecutions have been commoner in Christendom
than anywhere else. What appears to justify persecution is dogmatic
belief. Kindliness and tolerance only prevail in proportion as dogmatic
belief decays. In our day, a new dogmatic religion, namely, communism,
has arisen. To this, as to other systems of dogma, the agnostic is
opposed. The persecuting character of present day communism is exactly
like the persecuting character of Christianity in earlier centuries. In
so far as Christianity has become less persecuting, this is mainly due
to
the work of freethinkers who have made dogmatists rather less dogmatic.
If they were as dogmatic now as in former times, they would still think
it right to burn heretics at the stake. The spirit of tolerance which
some modern Christians regard as essentially Christian is, in fact, a
product of the temper which allows doubt and is suspicious of absolute
certainties. I think that anybody who surveys past history in an
impartial manner will be driven to the conclusion that religion has
caused more suffering than it has prevented.
What is the meaning of life to the agnostic?
I feel inclined to answer by another question: What is the meaning of
`the meaning of life'? I suppose what is intended is some general
purpose. I do not think that life in general has any purpose. It just
happened. But individual human beings have purposes, and there is
nothing
in agnosticism to cause them to abandon these purposes. They cannot, of
course, be certain of achieving the results at which they aim; but you
would think ill of a soldier who refused to fight unless victory was
certain. The person who needs religion to bolster up his own purposes is
a timorous person, and I cannot think as well of him as of the man who
takes his chances, while admitting that defeat is not impossible.
Does not the denial of religion mean the denial of marriage and chastity?
Here again, one must reply by another question: Does the man who asks
this question believe that marriage and chastity contribute to earthly
happiness here below, or does he think that, while they cause misery
here
below, they are to be advocated as means of getting to heaven? The man
who takes the latter view will no doubt expect agnosticism to lead to a
decay of what he calls virtue, but he will have to admit that what he
calls virtue is not what ministers to the happiness of the human race
while on earth. If, on the other hand, he takes the former view, namely,
that there are terrestrial arguments in favor of marriage and chastity,
he must also hold that these arguments are such as should appeal to the
agnostic. Agnostics, as such, have no distinctive views about sexual
morality. But most of them would admit that there are valid arguments
against the unbridled indulgence of sexual desires. They would derive
these arguments, however, from terrestrial sources and not from supposed
divine commands.
Is not faith in reason alone a dangerous creed? Is not reason imperfect
and inadequate without spiritual and moral law?
No sensible man, however agnostic, has "faith in reason alone." Reason
is
concerned with matters of fact, some observed, some inferred. The
question whether there is a future life and the question whether there
is
a God concern matters of fact, and the agnostic will hold that they
should be investigated in the same way as the question, "Will there be
an
eclipse of the moon tomorrow?" But matters of fact alone are not
sufficient to determine action, since they do not tell us what ends we
ought to pursue. In the realm of ends, we need something other than
reason. The agnostic will find his ends in his own heart and not in an
external command. Let us take an illustration: Suppose you wish to
travel
by train from New York to Chicago; you will use reason to discover when
the trains run, and a person who though that there was some faculty of
insight or intuition enabling him to dispense with the timetable would
be
thought rather silly. But no timetable will tell him that it is wise, he
will have to take account of further matters of fact; but behind all the
matters of fact, there will be the ends that he thinks fitting to
pursue,
and these, for an agnostic as for other men, belong to a realm which is
not that of reason, though it should be in no degree contrary to it. The
realm I mean is that of emotion and feeling and desire.
Do you regard all religions as forms of superstition or dogma? Which of
the existing religions do you most respect, and why?
All the great organized religions that have dominated large populations
have involved a greater or less amount of dogma, but "religion" is a
word
of which the meaning is not very definite. Confucianism, for instance,
might be called a religion, although it involves no dogma. And in some
forms of liberal Christianity, the element of dogma is reduced to a
minimum.
Of the great religions of history, I prefer Buddhism, especially in its
earliest forms, because it has had the smallest element of persecution.
Communism like agnosticism opposes religion, are agnostics Communists?
Communism does not oppose religion. It merely opposes the Christian
religion, just as Mohammedanism does. Communism, at least in the form
advocated by the Soviet Government and the Communist Party, is a new
system of dogma of a peculiarly virulent and persecuting sort. Every
genuine Agnostic must therefore be opposed to it.
Do agnostics think that science and religion are impossible to reconcile?
The answer turns upon what is meant by `religion'. If it means merely a
system of ethics, it can be reconciled with science. If it means a
system
of dogma, regarded as unquestionably true, it is incompatible with the
scientific spirit, which refuses to accept matters of fact without
evidence, and also holds that complete certainty is hardly ever
impossible.
What kind of evidence could convince you that God exists?
I think that if I heard a voice from the sky predicting all that was
going to happen to me during the next twenty-four hours, including
events
that would have seemed highly improbable, and if all these events then
produced to happen, I might perhaps be convinced at least of the
existence of some superhuman intelligence. I can imagine other evidence
of the same sort which might convince me, but so far as I know, no such
evidence exists.
--
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of
human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still
primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
- Albert Einstein
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Kill yourself
It remains my personal choice to do what GOD desires (WDJW) rather
than what you and others (including self) want.
"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life for Me will find it." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matt 16:25)
Amen.
"For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." -- LORD Jesus Christ
(Matt 11:30)
Amen.
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
guardian Snow
It's a shame that more Christians haven't answered like you did.
Interesting isn't it... I ran this same question on mostly Christian
threads and just popped it here to annoy stalker Chung.
Good answer, thank you. I was hoping more Christians would just say
NO but interesting... because of apostle Paul.. they won't.
Anon
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Ghod
news:2f7d6e4d-8580-4b93...@f24g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly post:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14cacb7b3e879b1b?
>>
>> Kill yourself
>
> It remains my personal choice to do what GOD desires (WDJW) rather
> than what you and others (including self) want.
Liar. I suggest you follow Sanity's Little Helper's suggestion.
- Ghod
Agent Haskell, IRS
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:07:49 -0800 (PST), Phoenix Rising
>
> <mr_snow_pheo...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Catholics seem to think he is already dead. In a few days
> (Dec 25 - Thor's Day ) they will be taking a dead suckling baby Jesus
> and serving him up in slices raw* at their annual Christ Mass Merry
> feast with some sage and onion stuffing.
>
> *(Or do they roast it first over a spit?)
>
> [note: for irony challenged readers I do know
> they only pretend to eat the baby Jesus substituting
> Christ Mass crackers for the flesh but they are supposed
> to really believe that's what they are doing]
Jesus jambalaya, mmmm...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly post:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14cacb7b3e879b1b?
> >>
> >> Kill yourself
> >
> > It remains my personal choice to do what GOD desires (WDJW) rather
> > than what you and others (including self) want.
>
> Liar.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Your false witness is forgiven by me.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you as He has convicted others like you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd?
Anon
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Father Haskell
> "Lee" <m...@localhost.com> wrote in message
>
> news:yqR%k.22032$wp1....@newsfe19.ams2...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Yes. Metal ballads.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Fred Thomas
Subject: Your Website
From: ROCKETMAN51...@xxxxxxx
Date: 10/04/2001 11:18 AM
To: and...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Dr. Chung:
Any comments I make at this time are mine alone and do not necessarily
reflect the views of CFHC.
After going through this difficult time with you, I understand that you
are probably not interested in anything I have to say. Also, I believe
what I do say will probably be twisted or interpreted by you to suit
your purposes. For that reason I will be as direct and declarative as
possible.
Your website comments about cardiology in Ocala, FL are detractions and
border on slander. These are legal terms, and one of the important
features of them is that the comments are published. Your website
fulfills that requirement. Now just reflect on the fact that you are the
only one to make such insinuations or allegations. Any reasonable person
seeing these things may justifiably conclude that it is you that is out
of step, not the other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala. As I have in the
past, I am trying to get you to see the reality of the situation from
outside your head. You have chosen to ignore the
good advice I tried to give while you were here. I hope you will soon
realize you are doing yourself more harm than good by publishing your
dispute. It would be better to let it go, before your reputation suffers
more.
Speaking of reputations, I have spent 35 years building mine. I can call
on physicians from around the world and this community to attest to it.
I can also call upon the many physicians I trained to do cardiac
catheterization (over 25 years) to offer a positive opinion about my
work. You can't. Being just out of training, you have no reputation
except the one you have just established here in Ocala. You are
continuing to establish your reputation by publishing your website. How
do you think what you have said would look to another physician-perhaps
an employer- when he reads it? Do you think he or anyone would conclude
that you are a reputable physician, easy to work with and a team player?
Personally, if I find that you speak disparagingly of me, or my work to
any patient or physician, be assured I will not take the matter lightly.
Whatever you think of me personally, or whatever you think of my
professional activity, you do not have the right to condemn either me or
the work to another and thereby compromise my reputation. You may
disagree with me, or state we have a difference of opinion, but you may
not state that I am practicing less that optimum cardiology. Once again,
if I find that you have done so (and I hope it has not happened yet) I
will certainly take the matter to the State Board of Medicine for a
hearing. If the Florida State Board finds cause, and renders a censure,
that must be transmitted to all other State Boards on your next and all
future applications for licensure. And once again, just common sense
should tell you that hitting back in your situation is counterproductive
and could be disastrous for you. But as I told you face to face, you may
have great book smarts, but your actions have shown that you have no
common sense that permits you to operate successfully in a professional
community. And, once again, I will tell you what I did before, you do
not operate in a vacuum. Your practice, wherever it may be, must be
according to the community standard, regardless of what you perceive
that to be. And an attitude that you vocalized by saying that you were
unable to change the community standard in Ocala speaks loudly and
clearly about your perception of reality and your inability to work with
your colleagues.
Dr. Chung, I urgently advise you to let the past go. Look to your future
which could be bright. If you persist in these efforts of hitting back
and trying to justify your actions to a world that looks upon such
attempts as childish or immature and unprofessional, you will continue
to do yourself a disservice. You lost your job because you talked
yourself out of it.
Frank Hildner MD
f...@xxxxxxxxxx
Fred Thomas
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Confirmed by this email from his then boss, Dr Hildner.
Actually, because of my having been hired to be his successor, dear
convicted neighbor Dr. Frank Hildner has never been my boss:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dda6f140e862c223
Truth is simple.
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
panam...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
>
> > Confirmed by this email from his then boss, Dr Hildner.
>
> Actually, because of my having been hired to be his successor, dear
> convicted neighbor Dr. Frank Hildner has never been my boss:
What? A new doctor, right out of university, was going to be the
*replacement* for a doctor with thirty five years experience?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
> >
> > > Confirmed by this email from his then boss, Dr Hildner.
> >
> > Actually, because of my having been hired to be his successor, dear
> > convicted neighbor Dr. Frank Hildner has never been my boss:
> >
>
> What? A new doctor, right out of university, was going to be the
> *replacement* for a doctor with thirty five years experience?
"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen.
Anon
Anon
Anon
Fred Thomas
Subject: Your Website
Don Kirkman
article
<5e2e407f-fdfa-49c3...@m15g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>:
>satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
>> Confirmed by this email from his then boss, Dr Hildner.
In a telephone conversation I had with him Dr. Hildner has
categorically denied both that he had or was about to leave the
practice, and that Chung was therefore in no position to succeed him.
The very thought of a young recent graduate in his first practice
succeeding a nationally known cardiologist, founder and editor of a
cardiology journal, and with 35 years of experience, beggars the
imagination. Hildner stopped seeing patients in 2001, but remained as
Medical Director of the practice. If there was any talk of a
successor, it would have been about picking up the patient caseload,
certainly not the Medical Directorship.
>Actually, because of my having been hired to be his successor, dear
>convicted neighbor Dr. Frank Hildner has never been my boss:
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dda6f140e862c223
I prefer to believe Dr. Hildner. Our conversation was pleasant, and
substantially covered what he had privately emailed to Chung earlier,
and which Chung then exposed publicly, contrary to common internet
ethics.
>Truth is simple.
Indeed it is in this case.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> In a telephone conversation I had with him Dr. Hildner has
> categorically denied both that he had or was about to leave the
> practice
Sadly, there is no truth in him.
Still praying for him as am praying for your perishing soul, dear Don.
> , and that Chung was therefore in no position to succeed him.
If that were true, dear Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to
post his infamous message as Rocketman on my web site.
> The very thought of a young recent graduate in his first practice
> succeeding a nationally known cardiologist, founder and editor of a
> cardiology journal, and with 35 years of experience, beggars the
> imagination.
Such are the miracles of GOD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfcnX4yWbY
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update folks on your continued inability to
publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
Bottom line concerning your having less free will:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6c3ca11187d0eb9e?
May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul, dear Don:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c?
Puberella
4f4d-998c-6...@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
Why does Chung deliberately and repeatedly attempt to ruin a useful group
such as sci.med.cardiology by posting off topic? He cannot truthfully claim
it is what Jesus wants. There are times and places where it is neither
polite nor appropriate to espouse his beliefs. If Chung really wants to put
this to the test, I suggest he try it during on board an aircraft during
take-off, by loudly proclaiming "God is Great". With luck the tongue he'll
choose to speak in will be Arabic.
Chung's pseudo christian fusspotology is off topic and irrelevant to the
newsgroup sci.med.cardiology. I have established that I can make pseudo
christian claims as Chung does and they have zero weight in matters of
science,medicine, and cardiology which is what SMC ideally is all about.
Chung's pseudo christian rantings have no place in SMC.
Chung, every time you post you perpetuate your self-documenting evidence of
your dishonesty and incompetence.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5a8f36628c734909
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/fcc64b7a7b861413
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6847393fd66086ff
Puberella
panam...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> convicted neighbor panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
>
> > > > Confirmed by this email from his then boss, Dr Hildner.
>
> > > Actually, because of my having been hired to be his successor, dear
> > > convicted neighbor Dr. Frank Hildner has never been my boss:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dda6f140e862c223
>
> > What? A new doctor, right out of university, was going to be the
> > *replacement* for a doctor with thirty five years experience?
>
> "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
What on earth is *that* nonsense, Andrew? If I wanted a form letter,
I'd write my Congressman. Are you unable to describe why you thought
you would be the new senior partner there?
OTOH, there seems to be a slight bit of evidence for your side of that
story. It seems that Dr. Hildner wasn't able to retire, since you were
not able (for one reason or another) to replace him:
http://www.vitals.com/doctor/profile/9313863877#
<AUK restored>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
> >
> > > > > Confirmed by this email from his then boss, Dr Hildner.
> >
> > > > Actually, because of my having been hired to be his successor, dear
> > > > convicted neighbor Dr. Frank Hildner has never been my boss:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dda6f140e862c223
> >
> > > What? A new doctor, right out of university, was going to be the
> > > *replacement* for a doctor with thirty five years experience?
> >
> > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen.
> What on earth is *that* nonsense, Andrew?
Simply the truth :-)
Bottom line concerning your difficulties here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1deefb1155ec4406?
panam...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> convicted neighbor panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
>
> > > > > > Confirmed by this email from his then boss, Dr Hildner.
>
> > > > > Actually, because of my having been hired to be his successor, dear
> > > > > convicted neighbor Dr. Frank Hildner has never been my boss:
>
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dda6f140e862c223
>
> > > > What? A new doctor, right out of university, was going to be the
> > > > *replacement* for a doctor with thirty five years experience?
>
> > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
>
> Amen.
>
> > What on earth is *that* nonsense, Andrew?
>
> Simply the truth :-)
You wouldn't recognize truth if it paid your child support.
-PF, Atl.
etc.
Don Kirkman
article
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[Re Dr. Hildner]
>Still praying for him as am praying for your perishing soul, dear Don.
>> , and that Chung was therefore in no position to succeed him.
>If that were true, dear Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to
>post his infamous message as Rocketman on my web site.
Actually, his message has become rather famous among the readers in
the groups you invade--and solely because you yourself made his
private email to you a public document, a continuing source of truth
and occasional mirth in this dismal affair. Hoist by your own petard,
doctor.
What compelled you to publish his private correspondence?
>> The very thought of a young recent graduate in his first practice
>> succeeding a nationally known cardiologist, founder and editor of a
>> cardiology journal, and with 35 years of experience, beggars the
>> imagination.
>Such are the miracles of GOD:
Such are the delusions of a mind that was already showing signs of
serious trouble at the time of that incident.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Anon
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> > If that were true, dear Dr. Hildner would not have been compelled to
> > post his infamous message as Rocketman on my web site.
>
> Actually, his message has become rather famous among the readers in
> the groups you invade--and solely because you yourself made his
> private email to you a public document, a continuing source of truth
> and occasional mirth in this dismal affair.
There would be no need to be as "declarative as possible" if the
author believed that what he was writing was a private matter.
Truth is simple.
Bottom line concerning your difficulty here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b09fe2cd7fceefc8?
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update folks on your continued inability to
publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
Bottom line concerning the predicament of you and other non-christians
like you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7450430959d1363?
Lord Vetinari
news:1211ef7d-a4e2-4707...@r13g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 10, 5:51 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> "Lee" <m...@localhost.com> wrote in message
> news:yqR%k.22032$wp1....@newsfe19.ams2...
: > > No I had a cardboard box once but the lake of fire burned it all up so
: > > spend most of my days surfing the sulphur clouds over Hades on a
surfboard
: > > constructed from the remains of a dead pope, listening to loud metal
and
: > > watching the dammed gnash there teeth down there in the lava pools.
: >
: > Ummmm...."loud metal".....is there another sort?- Hide quoted text -
:
: Yes. Metal ballads.
Metal ballads are still LOUD. At a guess, you don't listen to metal at all.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
zencycle
'metal ballad' is an oxymoron.
Anon
Agent Haskell, IRS
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Does *playing* bluegrass covers of metal on a 5-string
count?
Yap
wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly post:
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> > Kill yourself
>
> It remains my personal choice to do what GOD desires (WDJW) rather
> than what you and others (including self) want.
You said this because you know very well there is no god.
>
> "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses
> his life for Me will find it." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matt 16:25)
>
> Amen.
>
> "For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> (Matt 11:30)
>
> Amen.
>
> May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
> be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
> GOD desires:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
>
> <><
>
Yap
> On Dec 12, 6:07 am, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:07:49 -0800, Phoenix Rising wrote:
>
> > > Today we have another cult leader and when he came into town, most of
> > > the city hailed him as the “Son of Yahweh” as he rode into town.
>
> > I suspect that "most of the city" didn't know, or care, who the fuck he
> > was.
>
> > > Today, you are the jury to decide the fate of a man on trial. When
> > > questioned by government authorities, the man only replied, “You would
> > > possess no authority against Me if it were not given you from above.
> > > Because of this, he who delivered Me to you has greater sin.”
>
> > > Your church leader, who is standing watching over you, has said, “It
> > > was better that one man should die for the people.” And as you guessed
> > > the man on trial is Yehoshua the Messiah, Son of Elohim.
>
> > Why would you "guess" that?
>
> > > Knowing all the information before hand… given all the history that
> > > you now know… I pose to you this question… If you were one of the
> > > many people in that square, even having the hindsight that you have of
> > > all the events of world history, would you have voted for his execution?
>
> > Of course. The man was a blasphemer, calling himself the Messiah. When
> > the Pharisees asked him for some sign that he really was the Messiah
> > (after all, they had prophets calling themselves 'Messiah' popping up
> > every week), he basically said, "Fuck you!" What choice did they have?
>
> > > For those of you who automatically say no, hold up… because if you
> > > believe that all of human history to follow is saved by this one man’s
> > > blood on that cross... Aren’t you condemning billions to hell?
>
> > No. Any god that would condemn billions to hell for the crime of not
> > believing that a particular prophet is the right prophet is clearly
> > sadistic and malevolent. Such a god could not possibly be appeased by
> > anything you can do. We're all screwed.
>
> It's a shame that more Christians haven't answered like you did.
> Interesting isn't it... I ran this same question on mostly Christian
> threads and just popped it here to annoy stalker Chung.
>
> Good answer, thank you. I was hoping more Christians would just say
> NO but interesting... because of apostle Paul.. they won't.
We don't have sin....all Christian do.
If they don't vote to kill the con, they all would have to die.
So, the conclusion is obvious.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly post:
> >
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14cacb7b3e879b1b?
> >
> > > Kill yourself
> >
> > It remains my personal choice to do what GOD desires (WDJW) rather
> > than what you and others (including self) want.
>
> You said this because you know very well there is no god.
Incorrect. Have not said anything here in this written medium of
Usenet.
Moreover, most assuredly without doubt, I know and understand GOD to
be kind, just, and right (Jeremiah 9:24):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfcnX4yWbY
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
Anon
Budikka666
wrote:
> On November 18, 1978, cult leader Jim Jones led what has been called,
> “The Jones Town Massacre”. 912 followers of American cult leader Jim
> Jones ("Peoples Temple") died in a remote South American jungle
> compound called "Jonestown" in British Guyana. Some members were shot,
> others were forced to drink poison, but most willingly participated in
> what Jones said was an act of "revolutionary suicide." More than 280
> children were killed. Jim Jones body was found at Jonestown, fatally
> wounded by a gunshot to the head.
>
> I thought share that with you before you move on because I pose a hard
> question for you today. It’s a beautiful sunny holiday break from
> work and you are with your church congregation. The sky is blue
> without a cloud in the sky and shadows are coming across the walls of
> the court yard of the assembly.
>
> Today we have another cult leader and when he came into town, most of
> the city hailed him as the “Son of Yahweh” as he rode into town.
> questioned by government authorities, the man only replied, “You would
> possess no authority against Me if it were not given you from above.
> Because of this, he who delivered Me to you has greater sin.”
>
> Your church leader, who is standing watching over you, has said, “It
> was better that one man should die for the people.” And as you guessed
> the man on trial is Yehoshua the Messiah, Son of Elohim.
>
> you now know… I pose to you this question… If you were one of the
> many people in that square, even having the hindsight that you have of
> all the events of world history, would you have voted for his
> execution?
It was Yahweh who condemned billions to hell by creating the universe
in the first place. No one else had anything at all to do with it.
But if the bastard son of Yahweh rode into town and asked me to kill
him, I'd bitch-slap him upside the head and read him the riot act.
If the best plan his omniscient, omnipotent, long-suffering dad can
come up with to save humanity from the very evil Yahweh himself
created is to throw together a bloody god-on-a-stick charade, I don't
want to worship him. I refuse to spend eternity with a friggin' moron
god like that.
It's that simple.
Budikka
Douglas Berry
> Metal ballads are still LOUD. At a guess, you don't listen to metal at all.
Depends on the band. Judas Priest's "Angel" is a very beautiful song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuWr7U8N_Hc
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Agent Haskell, IRS
wrote:
> On Dec 16, 4:27 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> > Metal ballads are still LOUD. At a guess, you don't listen to metal at all.
>
> Depends on the band. Judas Priest's "Angel" is a very beautiful song.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuWr7U8N_Hc
Speaking of "very beautiful song," has this band
EVER gotten the critical accolades they deserve?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
upcoming 2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?
Lord Vetinari
news:3facc13f-9eae-4281...@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
Sure! I'm rather fond of good cross-genre covers. I also like bluegrass
quite well. Are you familiar with Green Mountain Grass? How about
Apocalyptica? There's nothing quite like cellists covering metal.
Lord Vetinari
news:993a0ed1-95e1-4867...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Um....which part of it aren't you understanding?
Lord Vetinari
news:fs0jk4p55pg4u7mf2...@4ax.com...
> On Dec 16, 4:27 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>> Metal ballads are still LOUD. At a guess, you don't listen to metal at
>> all.
>
> Depends on the band. Judas Priest's "Angel" is a very beautiful song.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuWr7U8N_Hc
Indeed, but it to play it at anything less than earbleed volume is a crime.
Lord Vetinari
news:f3df20d1-77ec-4971...@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Yap wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly post:
>> >
>> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14cacb7b3e879b1b?
>> >
>> > > Kill yourself
>> >
>> > It remains my personal choice to do what GOD desires (WDJW) rather
>> > than what you and others (including self) want.
>>
>> You said this because you know very well there is no god.
>
> Incorrect. Have not said anything here in this written medium of
> Usenet.
At least, you haven't said anything worth reading, anyway.
> Moreover, most assuredly without doubt, I know and understand GOD to
> be kind, just, and right (Jeremiah 9:24):
Poor little Chung-monkey. How's that straitjacket working out? When's your
next round of ECT?
Douglas Berry
<father...@yahoo.com> carved the following into the hard stone of
alt.atheism
I've found that their critics seem to be people who've never seen a
show and realized it is supposed to be a joke, and people who think
Judas Priest really did go to the trouble of backmasking messages
other than "buy more albums."
I love GWAR.
duke
wrote:
>It was Yahweh who condemned billions to hell by creating the universe
>in the first place. No one else had anything at all to do with it.
Do you want to just go out and slash your wrists because your parents took God
up on his offer of a "daughter" for them?
Heeheeheeheeheeheehee.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Syd M.
> "zencycle" <zency...@bikerider.com> wrote in message
>
> news:993a0ed1-95e1-4867...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> : On Dec 13, 8:30 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : > On Dec 10, 5:51 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> : >
> : > > Ummmm...."loud metal".....is there another sort?- Hide quoted text -
> : >
> : > Yes. Metal ballads.
> :
> : 'metal ballad' is an oxymoron.
>
Well, then, I assume Aerosmith aren't metal? Or Mettalica?
> Um....which part of it aren't you understanding?
Any of it.
PDW
Alex W.
"Syd M." <pdwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d64f9df3-e173-48a4...@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 5:09 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@ameritech.net>
wrote:
> "zencycle" <zency...@bikerider.com> wrote in message
>
> news:993a0ed1-95e1-4867...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> : On Dec 13, 8:30 pm, Father Haskell
> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : > On Dec 10, 5:51 pm, "Lord Vetinari"
> <vetin...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> : >
> : > > Ummmm...."loud metal".....is there another sort?-
> Hide quoted text -
> : >
> : > Yes. Metal ballads.
> :
> : 'metal ballad' is an oxymoron.
>
Well, then, I assume Aerosmith aren't metal? Or Mettalica?
=================
Aerosmith aren't metal, sorry.