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Nizkor Org Director's Ignorance of Scriptures and Misquoting Vangel aka Re: Poisoning the Web - More crap from Alex Vangel

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Wally Cleaver

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Dec 19, 2005, 12:02:43 AM12/19/05

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:28:49 -0000, <11q7c11...@corp.supernews.com>
kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <ma27q19ub1066fec6...@4ax.com>,
>Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Leon Degrelle
>
>Mr. Vangel forgot to mention that he thinks murder is a dandy way to
>deal with "problem" children.
>
>Here is a quote from Alex Vangel:
>
>"I said I agreed with the Bible because it is against the
>homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews. This is
>what it says about delinquents:
>
>"Deuteronomy 21:18-21
>"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will
>not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother,
>and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto
>them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
>and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the
>gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his
>city, This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not
>obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the
>men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
>so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel
>shall hear, and fear." (UseNet alt.revisionism. Subject:
>"Re: More crap from the VangelBot," 31 Jan. 2001. Message-ID:
>3c589...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/86ff47107406e56?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVayMisquotesVangel)

He also stated (which you left out) beneath the above scripture: "Maybe this is
extreme. I'm not for having laws that are very unpopular with the people, but a
nation without juvenile delinquents would be good."

Why would you leave that line out McVay? It doesn't fit in with your agenda of
smear? Where is Adolf Hitler mentioned as you implied?

>Note that this quote from Mr. Vangel says nothing about
>"homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews," as he
>suggested.

He did say: "This is what it says about delinquents:" which excludes
"homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews" so what is your issue?

>Yet he cites it to justify the murder of children whose only crime was that of being
>found "unruly" by Adolf Hitler's murdering thugs.

Where did he make that claim?

>For information about Mr. Vangel's hate group, see
>http://www.nizkor.org/<smear link munged>

BTW the Bible does in fact condemn "homosexual perverts, the feminists (as
related to lesbianism and as not recognizing spiritual authority of man over
woman), and the (unbelieving anti-Christ) Jews."

I.E.

Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of
them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.

~~Famous Last Words: Joel Rosenberg Condemned by the Apostle Paul~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/5ae05e89c5a9d74a?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: JoelCondemned1 and JoelCondemned2)
Subject: Re: "Revisionist scholars" fixate on homosexuality. Again.
Date: 3 Feb 2005 06:10:19 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Message-ID: <1107439819.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>

"joelr" <joelro...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Scotty, I really don't care if you want to think I'm gay, or pretend
>that I'm gay. I'm not, but if I was, I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't
>be my type. Find another date -- it'll be good for you.

Just because your family is cursed with the "homo gene" don't project the
Rosenberg Depravity on to me!

>As to my sisters, no. One's out as a lesbian; another is out as bi.
>There's nothing at all wrong with that, and I'm quite open about it, as
>they are. That's not "admitting" anything; it's a simple statement of
>fact.
>
>As to your strange Biblical interpretation, well, you're wrong. The
>Bible -- the Tanach or the New Testament that you claim to believe in
>-- doesn't say anything at all about female homosexual behavior.

That is what you think!

Romans 1:26-32 (Contemporary English Version)
"God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have
sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural.
Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and
had strong desires for sex with other men. Since these people refused even to
think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That's why they do
all sorts of indecent things. They are evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean
in every possible way... They gossip, say cruel things about others, and hate
God. They are proud, conceited, and boastful, always thinking up new ways to do
evil... They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die.
But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them."

Notice women were even mentioned first and also take note of the last two
sentences seeing how you approve of lesbianism!! <END>

1 Corinthians 11
1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
Propriety in Worship
2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the
teachings, just as I passed them on to you.
3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head
of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Feminism does not recognize: "the head of the woman is man" do they?

4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head.

What does that say of those in Judaism AND Christendom whose clergy likes
wearing their little beanies when they pray?

As for (unbelieving anti-Christic Jews which the majority of them are):

John 8
The Validity of Jesus' Testimony
12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world.
Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of
life."
13 The Pharisees challenged him, "Here you are, appearing as your own witness;
your testimony is not valid."

The above establishes who Jesus was speaking to.

31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching,
you are really my disciples.
32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

The above shows that Jesus did NOT condemn all Jews.

The Children of the Devil
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
The Claims of Jesus About Himself
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me.

Notice who Jesus called the Children of the Devil? Such people as liars like
Sara Salzman who is on record as stating:

~~Proof Sara Salzman is an anti-Christ Daughter of the Father of Lies~~
In article <1123293232.91cadcbf933fc5a1c9150e6b2ff9b055@teranews>,
fenim...@hotmail.com (James Fenimoore) wrote:
>
> May I ask if you acknowledege Jesus is the Christ or Messiah who
> came in the flesh?
>
> You haven't answered Tavish's question.

I sure have. I've answered it three times already. And since I happen to
be Jewish, why would you think I would believe any such thing?

Sara
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From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Yale F. Edeiken Making False Claims About My Medical Records
aka Re: Steve Wolk's Cowardice... V2.0 T_0804
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:55:49 -0500
Message-ID: <catamont-CFBE3C...@news.giganews.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/fff52eca83b894a3
(Archived locally as: SaraSalzmanDeniesJesusIsMessiah_1)
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The Pharisees were also Jewish and they were the first anti-Christs documented
in the Bible. Many Jews of today also claim today's Judaism has been passed
down from the Pharisees whom Jesus boldly told were the Children of the Father
of Lies. John 8: 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry
out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native
language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 48 The Jews answered him,
"Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"

ANTI-CHRISTS IDENTIFIED:
1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is
the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you!"
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/5f236d361634c200
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
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We finally got Sara Salzman to admit she denies Jesus is the Christ or Messiah
who came in the flesh on August 5, 2005. In the following archive are examples
of the Daughter of the Father of Lies devilish lies she has been caught in:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/74d17effed6ddec
Subject: Sara Salzman's Recent Lies Documented and Archived. V2.0 T_0807
Message-ID: <9sedf1tc6173cb8ko...@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Aug 2005 02:04:13 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/acf248f27b96a6a7
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay (As Well as Nizkor Supporters)
Engaging in Christ Denial and Anti-Christism? aka Re: The Jews who did not deny
the Messiah V3-0 T_0803
Message-ID: <99v2f1dno3u6d48mu...@4ax.com>
Date: 4 Aug 2005 02:56:37 GMT

Why is it most of the people who call people "Holocaust Deniers" and "Nazi
Apologists" are Blasphemous Christ Deniers and Communist Apologists? Has anyone
else noticed this important coincidence?

Tavish

>--
>The Nizkor Project - An electronic Holocaust educational resource

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/22fb984323b82be9?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000 Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Ken McVay is Lying
About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is
Further Proof! V4.0 T_1018
Message-ID: <ov2bl1tfmaclduina...@4ax.com>
Date: 19 Oct 2005 00:23:53 GMT

~~Ken McVay Lying About His Financing Via S.A.A.F. Nizkor Fund~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project
Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1...@news.tht.net>
(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
Mr. Bradbury, wishing to demonstrate how ill-equipped he is to deal with
evidence of any sort... What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The
Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San
Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very
bright... Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"
<end/quote>

As for Ken McVay's bold faced lie: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate
is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with
the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." BUT I have "demonstrated" the
association between the Nizkor Project and the San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund and all with Ken McVay's very own words below!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <4pvl6g$c...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
organization: The Nizkor Project

In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
Nizkor Project should be made payable to:
SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
and should be mailed to:
San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
<end/quote>

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project

..In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
and should be mailed to:
San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
We thank all of you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
Project. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.
<end/quote>

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/72d376fef3c983cf?fwc=1
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <4pvbkg$a...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>

In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote:

>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perahps can
>talk.

Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
and mail them to:
San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
...By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
difference it makes who finances my work... I fail to see
how my financing changes that.
<end/quote>

"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)

Roger

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Dec 19, 2005, 6:20:35 AM12/19/05

In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Wally Cleaver wrote
in message <9sccq199uruoccf3e...@4ax.com>:

Good enough to justify killing a "a stubborn and rebellious son?"

>Why would you leave that line out McVay?

Because it doesn't change what is being advocated one whit.

>It doesn't fit in with your agenda of
>smear? Where is Adolf Hitler mentioned as you implied?

And where is this "implication," lard ass?

And when are you going to stop whining about the town you live in
being posted when you have announce your intention to locate and post
full information on where I live.

BTW, how's that going -- the whole trying to find me thing?

How *does* it feel to be the most impotent hater on Usenet?

And where *is* my $10k?

Wally Cleaver

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Dec 19, 2005, 7:18:17 PM12/19/05

Note: Nizkor Org aka The Nizkor Project is a Nanaimo, British Columbia - Canada
based web site run solely by Kenneth McVay.

The Nizkor Project -- Ken McVay Director
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
1-250-616-9431
1-416-966-0461
1-417-781-3282
wpg...@kenmcvay.com
kmc...@nizkor.org
KMC...@VERITAS.NIZKOR.ORG
kmc...@shell.vex.net

Why would you leave that line out McVay? It doesn't fit in with your agenda of

smear? Where is Adolf Hitler mentioned as you implied?

>Note that this quote from Mr. Vangel says nothing about

>"homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews," as he
>suggested.

He did say: "This is what it says about delinquents:" which excludes
"homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews" so what is your issue?

>Yet he cites it to justify the murder of children whose only crime was that of being
>found "unruly" by Adolf Hitler's murdering thugs.

Where did he make that claim?

>For information about Mr. Vangel's hate group, see
>http://www.nizkor.org/<smear link munged>

I.E.

Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of
them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.

Romans 1:26-32 (Contemporary English Version)

"God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have
sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural.
Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and
had strong desires for sex with other men. Since these people refused even to
think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That's why they do
all sorts of indecent things. They are evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean
in every possible way... They gossip, say cruel things about others, and hate
God. They are proud, conceited, and boastful, always thinking up new ways to do
evil... They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die.
But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them."

Notice who Jesus called the Children of the Devil? Such people are liars like

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/5f236d361634c200

Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/acf248f27b96a6a7

Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay (As Well as Nizkor Supporters)
Engaging in Christ Denial and Anti-Christism? aka Re: The Jews who did not deny
the Messiah V3-0 T_0803
Message-ID: <99v2f1dno3u6d48mu...@4ax.com>
Date: 4 Aug 2005 02:56:37 GMT

Why is it most of the people who call people "Holocaust Deniers" and "Nazi
Apologists" are Blasphemous Christ Deniers and Communist Apologists? Has anyone
else noticed this important coincidence?

More on what the Bible says of Jews (newly added for December 19, 2005):

-- The Apostle Paul says much about Pharisaic Jews in two Bible scriptures:
1 Thessalonians 2:14,15 (English-NIV):
14 For you, brothers, became imitators of God's churches in Judea,
which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the
same things those churches suffered from the Jews,
15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out.
They displease God and are hostile to all men.

Notice the fine points made by the Apostle Paul in just
two verses of scripture!
He brought out in just two verses:
1) "those churches suffered from the Jews" Those sweet harmless
little Jews were committing "hate crimes" against Christians!
2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was not the least bit
bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus"!
3) "They displease God.." The Temple is still in ruins as a testament
to that fact! Undeniable wouldn't you say? And last BUT certainly not
least by any stretch of the imagination:
4) "They (Jews) are hostile to all men."
Regarding "2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was
not the least bit bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus"
see this archive:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/c67d884d85bad07c
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5d...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
I might as well throw this in seeing how I mentioned "Hate Crimes."
Historically, who do most people think were more brutal- Nazis or
Pharisees?

(One example) Persecution and torture:
Matthew 23:34 (English-RSV)
[Jesus warned] "Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of
whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and
persecute from town to town...." [Tavish comment: The words just stated were
addressed to the Jewish Pharisee Rabbis!]

[To scourge means to lash or whip severely. Imagine Jews chasing people from
town to town and flogging them in their Jewish synagogues! I don't think even
the Nazis rounded up Jews and flogged them in Christendom's Churches!! What Jews
did happened and it is documented in the Bible for all to see! Tavish]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/26ccb282e78d3d26
Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Message-ID: <i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT

The Bible plainly documents Jesus telling the anti-Christ Jews (as shown higher
up in this post): "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry

out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native

language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." and the Apostle John refers
to the evil brood of anti-Christs and Christian persecutors as the "Synagogue of
Satan" twice in the book of Revelations.

For a fact the Bible states it was Jews who murdered Jesus and I gave one
example above in which the Apostle Paul plainly stated: "You suffered from your
own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews,
who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out" all of which
proves the evil bunch you are an attack lap dog for namely the ADL, B'nai Brith,
and Simon Wiesenthal Center are all liars when they deny the Jewish role in the
murder of Jesus for which they harassed Mel Gibson for as faultlessly documented
in this archive (along with other scriptures which prove "the Jews, who killed
the Lord Jesus":

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6a0c892eecb850b6?fwc=1
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V6.0 T_0928
Message-ID: <faskj15cfr2cca9hn...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Sep 2005 10:33:37 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
"Holocaust Denial" and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ed596bea483952b6
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V3-0 T_0625
Message-ID: <4plub1hmr6bnr2mpl...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2005 02:00:38 GMT

If you and yours keep telling lies about your opponents then I will keep telling
the truth about you and your fellow Christ Deniers and Haters.

Tavish

>--
>The Nizkor Project - An electronic Holocaust educational resource

You mean "The Nizkor Project - An electronic Kenneth McVay financial
resource" as in:

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH ALL THE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS YOU HAVE DENIED RECEIVING
AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE MONEY YOU ARE STILL RECEIVING THOUGH DENYING
RECEIVING? INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!!

The San Antonio Area Foundation lists your Nizkor Fund as being a recipient to
funding Mr. McVay yet you claim to have never received any money from them! Are
they lying in their financial reports or is it simply that you are the liar?

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8db801fb548cdb26?fwc=1
(Archived locally McVay-12-30-2002DENIAL)
Subject: Re: What did Kenny McVay do with money he claims he never got?
Reply-To: kmc...@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <xO%P9.1985$C43.13...@news.nnrp.ca>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT

Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the

"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"...The San Antonio Area Foundation
has never paid me... Get used to it.
<end/quote>

As for Ken McVay's bold faced lie: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has

ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor

Fund"...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me..." BUT I have shown
otherwise below!

The San Antonio Area Foundation itself in its annual reports for years 2000,
2002, 2003, and 2004 show the Nizkor Fund as being a recipient of funds which
may be verified with these links:
[PDF] Financials 2000 3-01 http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf
... 3 Fund Types The San Antonio Area Foundation is dedicated to improving the
quality of ... Katz Memorial Trust and Melvin Leazar Memorial Fund, Nizkor Fund
[PDF] 2002 Annual Report http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/AnnRpt2002.pdf
[PDF] 2003 Annual Report file Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
http://www.saafdn.org/docs/annual_report/AnnRpt2003.pdf
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http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?crid=56a9e3b448c11dd2&query=Nizkor&slice_title=&page=1&fo=1
(Archived locally as: SAAF_NizkorFund_2004)
http://www.saafdn.org/docs/annual_report/annualReport_current.pdf - 2004-09-10
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I have the above PDF reports on file for years 2000, 2002, 2003, and 2004
proving San Antonio Area Foundation doled out money to the Nizkor Fund which Ken
McVay was the recipient!! Anyone wanting the PDF files need only download them
or if they get pulled I can post them to alt.binaries upon request.
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Also see:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund -- Some New Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0 T_0822
Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r...@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam? You All be
the Judges! V2-0
Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457...@4ax.com>
Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:49:41 GMT
(Actually the Nizkor Endowment Fund and the Nizkor Trust Fund should both be
renamed the Kenneth McVay Endowment Fund and the Kenneth McVay Trust Fund seeing
how the Nizkor Project is a web site solely operated by Kenneth McVay from a
back room of his personal residence. McVay is the sole recipient and beneficiary
of those two "bogus" funds!)

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
V2.0 Message-ID: <s45sb1lsas4r52dtu...@4ax.com>
Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT
(The above details and documents the tax scheme invented and currently
perpetrated by B'nai Brith Canada and Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project in which
B'nai Brith launders exempt donations and passes them to McVay as tax free even
though Ken McVay is not legally allowed to receive exempt donations. This is
more or less a similar tax scheme which resulted in criminal prosecutions.)

http://groups.google.com/group/ab.general/msg/5c06fd75fb21497d?fwc=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the Nizkor
Endowment and Trust Funds? V2.0 T_1002
Message-ID: <k991k1lr0j9n5n15i...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Oct 2005 03:33:01 GMT

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/2a8fb4468666dd3?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V3.0 Updated Links T_0625
Message-ID: <vd4sb1d8mo7qs9np0...@4ax.com>
Date: 26 Jun 2005 02:36:20 GMT

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Sara Salzman

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Dec 19, 2005, 9:04:09 PM12/19/05

In article <dlfeq1h79467vu8rt...@4ax.com>,
Wally Cleaver <Wally_...@mayfield.net> wrote:

[500+ lines of Scott Bradbury's idiotic drivel snipped]

The lonely, cowardly old man screams from his street corner again.

And no one is listening.

Sara

--
The Jews may think all people are stupid when I reality the are watch ever
move you people make.

An old German saying is the Jews will give nothing for what you did have
before. The Jews supporting poor black people means there will be absolutely
no return of some of the money this alone speaks for itself.
-- Kurt Knoll.

Wally Cleaver

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Dec 20, 2005, 11:27:59 PM12/20/05

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:04:09 -0700,
<catamont-669AD6...@news.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <dlfeq1h79467vu8rt...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1ca9c8202af655d8?fwc=1

> Wally Cleaver <Wally_...@mayfield.net> wrote:
>
>[500+ lines of Scott Bradbury's idiotic drivel snipped]
>
>The lonely, cowardly old man screams from his street corner again.
>
>And no one is listening.

IOW you can't refute what I posted. People see you for what you are Sara.
My original and scripturally factual post may be read at this link:
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1ca9c8202af655d8?fwc=1

Stay lame Sara, you make me look good!

Tavish

>Sara

On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
"How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
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Message ID: <catamont-548CA8...@spectator.sj.sys.us.xo.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?fwc=1
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?dmode=source
Date: 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT
(Archived locally as: RetardSara and RetardSara2)
<<Tavish comment: You don't have to tell me numerous times you're retarded Sara-
I have known you to be a retard for many years! Picture of the self confessed
mental retardee: http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif

Sara Salzman

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Dec 21, 2005, 12:56:44 AM12/21/05

In article <2bmhq1l2d38kapfc9...@4ax.com>,
Wally Cleaver <Wally_...@mayfield.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:04:09 -0700,
> <catamont-669AD6...@news.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <dlfeq1h79467vu8rt...@4ax.com>,
> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1ca9c8202af655d8?fwc=1
> > Wally Cleaver <Wally_...@mayfield.net> wrote:
> >
> >[500+ lines of Scott Bradbury's idiotic drivel snipped]
> >
> >The lonely, cowardly old man screams from his street corner again.
> >
> >And no one is listening.
>
> IOW you can't refute what I posted. People see you for what you are Sara.
> My original and scripturally factual post may be read at this link:
> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1ca9c8202af655d8?fwc=1
>
> Stay lame Sara, you make me look good!
>
> Tavish
>

2 PhDs, liposuction, a face-lift and 3 extra neurons (to keep that
lonely one you've got company) couldn't make you look good.

Wally Cleaver

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Dec 21, 2005, 5:45:57 AM12/21/05

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:56:44 -0700,
<catamont-445CB3...@news.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <2bmhq1l2d38kapfc9...@4ax.com>,
> Wally Cleaver <Wally_...@mayfield.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:04:09 -0700,
>> <catamont-669AD6...@news.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <dlfeq1h79467vu8rt...@4ax.com>,
>> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1ca9c8202af655d8?fwc=1
>> > Wally Cleaver <Wally_...@mayfield.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >[500+ lines of Scott Bradbury's idiotic drivel snipped]
>> >
>> >The lonely, cowardly old man screams from his street corner again.
>> >
>> >And no one is listening.
>>
>> IOW you can't refute what I posted. People see you for what you are Sara.
>> My original and scripturally factual post may be read at this link:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1ca9c8202af655d8?fwc=1
>>
>> Stay lame Sara, you make me look good!
>>
>> Tavish
>>
>2 PhDs, liposuction, a face-lift and 3 extra neurons (to keep that
>lonely one you've got company) couldn't make you look good.

Hurling insults is all you have left and as for your insult above- I offer the
world your picture:

~~Comments on Sara D. Salzman's Appearance~~
Peter N. Kirstein
Professor of History
Saint Xavier University
<start/quote>
From: "Peter Kirstein" <kirs...@sxu.edu>
Date: Fri Oct 1, 2004 6:40:58 AM America/Denver
To: Sara Salzman
Subject: Re: Thank you so very much!
Reply-To: <kirs...@sxu.edu>

Dear Ms. Salzman,

I am sorry if you are being inconvenienced by Mr Irving's posting. I
have no control what persons place on their website in the dynamic,
unfettered world of the Internet. No, I would not have drawn inferences
to your appearance....
<end/quote>
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Salzman Gets Spanked
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:16:06 -0600
Message-ID: <catamont-0054A0...@news.giganews.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraSplainsAll_17 and SaraSplainsAll_18)
Sara D. Salzman's appearance as depicted by this photo which is what
Professor Peter Kirstein saw:
http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif
Other comments on Sara's appearance:
"Your personality matches the person in the picture to a "T"." - Steve Talbot
Message-ID: <4162fa1b...@news20.forteinc.com>
Paul Gundersen replies to the above observance with:
"How is that? Does she have a nasty and ugly personality to match? That ugly mug
either should become a Halloween mask or it looks like it belongs on a wanted
poster at the Post Office. That is one rough tough looking woman."
Message-ID: <10m8qfu...@corp.supernews.com>
"Isn't she wearing a Halloween mask? No one is that ugly or at
least I haven't ever seen anyone that gruesome." - James Fenimoore
Message-ID: <2sgn7aF...@uni-berlin.de>
"A real knee slapper about Sara Salzman making a '2000' some odd mile round trip
to defame me to my local authorities is how one of them (who is not a history
buff nor is Holocaust savvy) mistook Sara for a Holocaust survivor!! He
commented on how he had pity for her seeing how judging by her appearance the
Nazis must have tortured her endlessly!! I told him that Sara isn't old enough
to have been alive at that time but her looks are hardened and she does look
old. I advised all listening that Sara has indeed been tortured repeatedly but
by her fellow S&M Bondage Torture comrades and then I gave them all copies of
her S&M posts such as can be seen in this archive:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/964115245424fac3
Subject: Sara Salzman - A Compilation of Her Better Known Literary
Works and Opinions Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:49 -0500
Message-ID: <s70dcvgs3eucqd31n...@4ax.com>
Anyone who doubts Sara Salzman looks like she has been repeatedly beaten to a
pulp need only to view and download (to enlarge) this famous picture:
http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif " - Doc Tavish
Message-ID: <vlf3m0tk7b7hmi7qb...@4ax.com>
"That woman is truly revolting. She may not be a holocaust survivor but she
certainly could pass for one of Dr. Mengele's experiments on infants who lived."
Steve Talbot - Message-ID: <41629be8....@news20.forteinc.com>
"If it weren't for a female name I would have mistaken the picture for a husky
man but as it is identified as a female I can only say that she is one ugly
androgynous it. Come to think of it the woman looks like a butchish bulldog. She
looks like she could bite a person's leg off. One would hope she has had her
shots. :-)" - Paul Gundersen Message-ID: <10m8q6p...@corp.supernews.com>

Need I say any thing else you self confessed mental retardee?

Keep making me look good Sara!

>Sara

Tavish

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ce01c5e7f6ef3a84?fwc=1
Subject: Sara Salzman- A Communist Subversive and Operative and What About
NIZKOR and B'nai Brith? You All Judge for Yourselves! V2.0 T_1001
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:36:13 -0500
Message-ID: <j6etj1dn6ta7dni4i...@4ax.com>

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