In Defense Of Nazism.
BernardZ
Alex Vange
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"BernardZ" < Bernar...@iname.com [delete "radio"]> wrote in message
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> In the final analysis Nazism was a failure. It lost!
It lost, but it was the good side.
Here is a quote from The Nameless War, by Captain A. H. M. Ramsay:
"The urgent alarm sounded in 1918 by Mr. Oudendyke in his letter to
Mr. Balfour (see p
age 25), denouncing bolshevism as a Jewish plan, which if not checked by the
combined action of the European powers, would engulf Europe and the world,
was no exaggeration. By the end of that year the red flag was being hoisted
in most of the great cities of Europe. In Hungary the Jew Bela Kuhn
organized and maintained for some time a merciless and bloody tyranny
similar to the one in Russia. In Germany the Jews, Liebknecht, Barth,
Scheidemann, Rosa Luxemburg, etc., made a desperate bid for power. These and
other similar convulsions shook Europe; but each country in its own way just
frustated the onslaughts.
In most countries concerned a few voices were raised in the endeavour to
expose the true nature of these evils. Only in one, however, did a political
leader and group arise, who grasped to the full the significance of these
happenings, and perceived behind the mobs of native hooligans the
organisation and driving power of world Jewry. This leader was Adolf Hitler,
and his group the National Socialist Party of Germany.
Never before in history had any country not only repulsed organized
revolution, but discerned Jewry behind it, and faced up to that fact. We
need not wonder that the sewers of Jewish vituperation were flooded over
these men and their leader; nor should we make the mistake of supposing that
Jewry would stick at any lie to deter honest men everywhere from making a
thorough investigation of the facts for themselves. Nevertheless, if any
value liberty, and set out to seek truth and defend it, this duty of
personal investigation is one which they cannot shirk.
To accept unquestioningly the lies and misrepresentaions of a
Jew-controlled or influenced press, is to spurn truth by sheer idleness, if
for no worse reason."
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Alex Vangel <va...@i1.net> wrote:
> [Nazism] lost, but it was the good side.
Mr. Vangel is a very strange person - he even advocates the murder of
"unruly" White children!
That's part of what he means when he speaks of the "good side." He
thinks the Nazis were justified in murdering "unruly" white children.
For information about Mr. Vangel's hate group, see
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity
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and America's Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black
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Kurt Knoll
You sound like a typical Jewish Ketzer.
Kurt Knoll.
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Larry R
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote in message
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BernardZ
By definition any political system that lost is a failure. It goes into
the rubbish heap of history.
Alex Vange
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"BernardZ" < Bernar...@iname.com [delete "radio"]> wrote in message
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> > It lost, but it was the good side.
>
> By definition any political system that lost is a failure. It goes into
> the rubbish heap of history.
Your theory is rubbish. National Socialism made Germany great and
proserous. It was only defeated from outside of Germany by the Communists
and the other liberal countries.
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Alex Vangel <va...@i1.net> wrote:
> Your theory is rubbish. National Socialism made Germany great and
>proserous. It was only defeated from outside of Germany by the Communists
>and the other liberal countries.
National Socialism destroyed Germany's economy long before the war
began, and began the destruction of Germany's people in 1932.
National Socialism murdered children for being "unruly" in school.
Mr. Vangel advocates the murder of "unruly" White children, too,
although he rarely mentions it.
For information about Mr. Vangel's hate group, see
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity
--
"...the antisemite is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
An antisemite has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either
facts or logic." (Matas, David. Bloody Speech, p. 37)
Kurt Knoll
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"Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
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BernardZ
says...
>
>
> http://stormfront.org
> www.spearhead-uk.com
> "BernardZ" < Bernar...@iname.com [delete "radio"]> wrote in message
> news:MPG.16c10a8dc61ba27f98abc5@news...
> > > It lost, but it was the good side.
> >
> > the rubbish heap of history.
>
> Your theory is rubbish. National Socialism made Germany great and
> proserous. It was only defeated from outside of Germany by the Communists
> and the other liberal countries.
See what I said in (a) above. Your own words say it - it was defeated.
It failed. QED
Amigocabal
Alex Vange wrote:
National socialism is being practised in dozens of countries, today,
siccessfully. maybe you do not realize it but good old USA is drifting in
that direction, also. Watch out Zionists!
William Daffer
What hogwash!
whd
--
Matters about which Joe Bellinger has lied and continues to lie:
Butler,Gilbert,Death Dealer, Amidah, C for Convert, Christians in
Israel, Pranatis and Russian Translation of Talmud, and anytime he
claims to have killfiled you.
Oh, and anytime he claims to have 'trounced' anyone.
Amigocabal
William Daffer wrote:
Are you crazy? Or just drunk?
Amigocabal
David Ehrens wrote:
> Amigocabal <par...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:3C58129A...@bellsouth.net:
>
> ...
> > National socialism is being practised in dozens of
> > countries, today, siccessfully.
>
> Hmmm. Is that what they teach you in those home schools for 7th
> generation imbred hillbillies?
>
> Don't they tech yuh no spellin neither?
Nothing wrong with my spelling buster look at yours!
Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion
> proserous. It was only defeated from outside of Germany by the Communists
> and the other liberal countries.
Germany is far more prosperous than it ever was during Hitler's tyrannical rule!
Amigocabal
Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion wrote:
And how do you know just how prosperous Germany was in 1939?
Kurt Knoll
efficient work. This has really nothing to do with
political affiliation. Anyone who travels abroad to Europe especially the
eastern block and France could
see how fast West Germany was rebuilding their destruct cities and their
economy.
I did travel to the Czech republic and part of east Germany in 1978 and was
surprised to see many
place where it looked no one has ever Attempted to re build the war damage.
Some of the Czechs
told me they like to preserve it the way it is for future generations. In
further discussions I found out
that most of it was to blame on the Communist systems. In Czech factories I
have seen the walking
a record slow speed. When asking the tour guide he said why should they work
faster every one here get
paid for being here and we are not speeding things up to help the Russians.
Kurt Knoll.
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Larry R
Kurt Knoll
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"Larry R" <fut...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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Kamal Jhakhi
...and this is the guy who always equates the Israelis with the Nazis,
busy doing his usual trick of showing us all what a self-contradicting
idiot he is.
Alex Vange
http://stormfront.org
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote in message
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> You have any proof about this unruly children ?.
Mr. McVay puts the word "unruly" in quotes. This might mean it is an
actual quote of something I wrote, which it is not.
Or it could be implying that the youths were not really unruly. Actually
"unruly" is a great understatement. I wrote about this before but Mr.McVay
persists is misrepresenting what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
I said I agreed with the Bible because it is against the homosexual
perverts, the feminists, and the Jews. This is what it says about
delinquents:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice
of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have
chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his
mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and
unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city,
This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he
is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him
with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and
all Israel shall hear, and fear."
Maybe this is extreme. I'm not for having laws that are very unpopular
with the people, but a nation without juvenile delinquents would be good.
Alex Vange
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"BernardZ" < Bernar...@iname.com [delete "radio"]> wrote in message
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> In article <3c57483a$1...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com>, va...@i1.net
> says...
> >
> > Your theory is rubbish. National Socialism made Germany great and
> > proserous. It was only defeated from outside of Germany by the
Communists
> > and the other liberal countries.
>
> See what I said in (a) above. Your own words say it - it was defeated.
> It failed. QED
If you really don't understand the situation here is an analogy: A ship
goes out to sea and gets in a battle with a ship of pirates. The pirates
win. The first ship was defeated -but- they were the good side.
Alex Vange
http://stormfront.org
www.spearhead-uk.com
"Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion" <tziy...@email.com> wrote in message
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>
> Germany is far more prosperous than it ever was during Hitler's tyrannical
rule!
Germany was in a very bad way before Hitler came to power. Hitler made it
great and prosperous. If the Germans are doing good now that is because they
continue the economics that Hitler started. They reject Communism but they
have many laws and things to help the German people out. Here are some
quotes from Mein Kampf:
"There were millions and millions of workmen who began by being hostile
to the Social Democratic Party; but their defences were repeatedly stormed
and finally had to surrender. Yet this defeat was due to the stupidity of
the bourgeois parties, who had opposed every demand put forward by the
working class. The short-sighted refusal to making an effort towards
improving labour conditions, the refusal to adopt measures which would
insure the workmen in case of accidents in the factories, the refusal to
forbid child labour, the refusal to consider protective measures for female
workers, especially expectant mothers--all this was of assistance to the
Social Democratic leaders, who were thankful for every opportunity which
they could exploit for forcing the masses into their net. Our bourgeois
parties can never repair the damage that resulted from the mistake that was
made. For they sowed the seeds of hatred when they opposed all efforts at
social reform. And thus they gave, at least, apparent grounds to justify the
claim put forward by the Social Democrats--namely that they alone stand up
for the interest of the working class.
"And this became the principle ground for the moral justification of
the actual existance of the Trades Unions, so that the labour organizations
became from that time onwards the chief political recruiting ground to swell
the ranks of the Social Democratic Party."
"the Jew seized upon the manifold possiblities which the situation
offered him for the future. While on the one hand he organized capitalistic
methods of exploitation to their ultimate degree of efficiency, he curried
favour with the victims of his policy and his power and in a short while
became the leader of their struggle against himself. 'Against himself' is
here only a figurative way of speaking; for this 'Great Master of Lies'
knows how to appear in the guise of the innocent and throw the guilt on
others. Since he had the impudence to take a personal lead among the masses,
they never for a moment suspected that they were falling prey to one of the
most infamous deceits ever practiced. And yet that is what it actually was."
William Daffer
He's imitating you, stupid.
And it's "Nothing wrong with my spelling, buster, look at yours!"
One sets the vocative off with a comma.
whd
--
Tom Moran, in <3b945797....@news.pacificnet.net>
Daffer says:
> Do you understand the concept of an 'exothermic' reaction?
Yes, I understand the Holocaust community's understanding. The same as
a candle burning, or a piece of wood. You know, Holocaust bodies
burned like candles or wood.
William Daffer
[snip]
> > > National socialism is being practised in dozens of countries, today,
> > > siccessfully. maybe you do not realize it but good old USA is
> > > drifting in that direction, also. Watch out Zionists!
> >
> > What hogwash!
> >
> >
> > whd
> > --
> > Matters about which Joe Bellinger has lied and continues to lie:
> >
> > Butler,Gilbert,Death Dealer, Amidah, C for Convert, Christians in
> > Israel, Pranatis and Russian Translation of Talmud, and anytime he
> > claims to have killfiled you.
> >
> > Oh, and anytime he claims to have 'trounced' anyone.
>
> Are you crazy? Or just drunk?
You should ask yourself that question, since you're the one
responding to a .sig file.
I'll give you a hint. See the '-- '? That's a sigfile
separator. Everything after that is not part of my response to
you. It is, rather, a comment on the state of the world in general,
or alt.revisionism (where I post from) in particular. That's why it
mentions a denizen of that newsgroup.
If you want to follow the conversation I was engaged in, the one
where you made your statement:
National socialism is being practised in dozens of countries,
today, siccessfully. maybe you do not realize it but good old
USA is drifting in that direction, also. Watch out Zionists!
you should look at the response I actually made to you, which was:
"What hogwash!"
Here's another hint. It occurs *before* the .sigfile separator.
Just as an aised: in the context of that conversation, you're not
making a very good show of the superiority of those people who adopt
National Socialism as a political philosophy.
whd
--
Ross, on the meaning of his response in
<20010802014157...@ng-fq1.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20010802191550...@ng-cl1.aol.com>
ROTFL.... It takes a jew with a University degree to detect an obvious farce.
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Alex Vangel <va...@i1.net> wrote:
>have many laws and things to help the German people out. Here are some
>quotes from Mein Kampf:
Here is a quote from Alex Vangel:
"I said I agreed with the Bible because it is against the
homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews. This is
what it says about delinquents:
"Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will
not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother,
and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto
them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the
gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his
city, This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not
obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the
men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel
shall hear, and fear."
Note that this quote from Mr. Vangel says nothing about "homosexual
perverts, the feminists, and the Jews," and yet he insists that it
justifies the murder of children whose only crime was that of being
found "unruly" by Adolf Hitler's murdering thugs.
For information about Mr. Vangel's hate group, see
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity
--
"Irving's conclusions were completely untenable. I thought his
scholarship was sloppy and unreliable and did not meet even the
most basic requirements of honest and competent historical
research." (Richard Evans, Lying About Hitler, p.70)
Kurt Knoll
Like in the Bible it says
give us our daily bread and Bottle of Beer do you know what I mean.
Kurt Knoll.
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"Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
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Joe Bruno
>>Bull. No one bothered the Nazis until they started marching all over
Europe invading countries who were minding their own business. They
invaded Poland in 1939, then France, Norway, Denmark, Holland,
Yugoslavia, Greece, They invaded the USSR in 1941, after signing a
"non-aggression pact" with Stalin.
Joe Bruno
> > >
> > > National Socialism destroyed Germany's economy long before the war
> > > began, and began the destruction of Germany's people in 1932.
>>The respected economist Hjalmar Schact warned Hitler that his
armaments building program was overheating the German economy. Hitler
would not listen and replaced Schact.
> > >
> > > National Socialism murdered children for being "unruly" in school.
> > >
> > > Mr. Vangel advocates the murder of "unruly" White children, too,
> > > although he rarely mentions it.
> > >
> > > For information about Mr. Vangel's hate group, see
> > > http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity
> > >
>>Mr Vange has called me "the enemy" just because I am Jewish. He
supports William Pierce, a subversive fanatic who tried to justify the
bombing of the USS COLE and the killing of American sailors. These two
wackos would betray America to her enemies if it supported their
racist agenda. They are the type of nuts who the FBI routinely keeps
under surveillance. The Attorney General keeps a list of subversive
organizations. I hope that Pierce's National Alliance and Vange's
species of nutcase are both on it. People of all races and faiths have
risked and lost their lives to defend this country. White skin has
nothing to do with being American.
Joe Bruno
Adam Littman
>Another fairytale
>"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote in message
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>> Germany was always hated for striving of being better in performing
>> efficient work. This has really nothing to do with
Well, since they were _striving_ to take over the world, and _efficiently_
performing mass murder, that might have had something to do with the rest of
the world hating Germany.
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BernardZ
In your own example, its purpose (its reason for being) failed!
Amigocabal
Alex Vange wrote:
What an analogy israel-a ship of fools and Nazi killers!
The bloodthirstiest of all humanity, Jews were communist executioners,
responsible for their unprecedented slaughter of Russians, Tatars, Ukrainians,
Chechens and many other minorities. Some native nations of Siberia were
completely eliminated off the face of the Earth, by the Jewsih led Cheka, NKVD,
GPU and KGB gangs of killers. Many of these ex-communist garbage are living in
the Nazi state of Israel, today! Some are the leaders of that state's genocide
teams against Palestinians.
Larry R
Alex Vange
http://stormfront.org
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"Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
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> In article <3c55f...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com>,
> Alex Vangel <va...@i1.net> wrote:
>
> > [Nazism] lost, but it was the good side.
>
> Mr. Vangel is a very strange person - he even advocates the murder of
> "unruly" White children!
>
> That's part of what he means when he speaks of the "good side." He
> thinks the Nazis were justified in murdering "unruly" white children.
Alex Vange
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www.spearhead-uk.com
"Joe Bruno" <joeb...@indystart.com> wrote in message
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>Bull. No one bothered the Nazis until they started marching all over
> Europe invading countries who were minding their own business. They
> invaded Poland in 1939, then France, Norway, Denmark, Holland,
> Yugoslavia, Greece, They invaded the USSR in 1941, after signing a
> "non-aggression pact" with Stalin.
The Germans lost some land to Poland after World War One. The Germans
said that their people living on this land were being severely oppressed by
the Polish goverment. This is why Germany fought Poland . If Florida were
taken away from America, Americans would fight to get it back. Americans
will go to war for far less reason than this.
Britain and the other liberal countries then went to war with Germany
even though the Communists also attacked Poland. After they won the war,
Poland was Communist, which shows what the liberals were fighting for.
Here is a quote from The Nameless War, by Captain A. H. M. Ramsay:
"Can we doubt but that Poland was encouraged to ignore the German note of
March which set forth eminently reasonable suggestions for a peaceful
solution of the problem of the Corridor?
Month after month no reply was vouchsafed by Poland to the German note.
Meanwhile, insult and outrage occurred with suspicious frequency all along
the German frontier, similar to the technique to which the Jews later
introduced the British in Palestine. Day after day the British public was
deluged with war propaganda and misrepresentation of the situation. Finally
their minds were closed against any further regard to the demands of justice
and reason by a new slogan, "You cannot trust Hitler's word." With this lie
the British public was finally stampeded into throwing all reason and
judgement to the winds and accepting at their face value the war propaganda
in the press.
This slogan was founded upon a misrepresentation of Hitler's assurance
given on more than one occasion after a "putsch" such as that in into
Sudetenland, that he "intended to make no further demands.". The
misrepresentation lay in the fact that the press steadily obscured the major
fact, that the "demands" to which Hitler referred were all along five-fold
in character; and covered those five areas taken from Germany by a dictated
peace in which the population was overwhelmingly German, i.e. Sudetenland,
part of Czechoslovakia, parts of Poland, the Corridor and Danzig.
As German troops occupied each successive section, it is, I believe,
accurate to say that Hitler declared, that he had no additional demands to
make. But here it must be clearly stated in the interests of justice that he
never said that this entailed reducing the demands which he had originally
very clearly delineated, and repeated on many occasions, namely, the five
areas in question.
"The British public was deluded by its press into supposing that when
Hitler said he had no further demands, that there had never been any
statement of his full demands, some of which were still unfulfilled. They
were led to believe that Hitler either never had had other demands, or that
he had abondoned the rest as soon as he had obtained some of them. When,
therefore, the next installment was added, the press built on this
misunderstanding the fallacy that Hitler's word could not be trusted. Honest
dealing needs no such trickery and and deception. Such methods are only
necessary to bolster up bad or unjust causes. Fortunately we have the calm
and disspassionate judgement in this matter by no less a person than the
late Lord Lothian, recently British Ambassador to the U.S.A. In his last
speech at Chatham House on this subject he remarked: "If the principle of
self-determination had been applied in Germany's favour, as it was applied
agaisnt her, it would have meant the return of the Sudetenland,
Czechoslovakia, parts of Poland, the Polish Corridor and Danzig to the
Reich."
Here is a very different presentment of the case to the one which was
foisted upon the British public in 1939: and it is the true one. Small
wonder that these facts had to be withheld from the ordinary citizen.
Had the British public realized the truth, that each of these demands of
Hilter rested on a foundation of reasonable fairness, the people of this
island would have ruled out any question of war; and it was war, not truth
or justice, upon which international Jewry was resolved."
Here is another quote from the book:
"The urgent alarm sounded in 1918 by Mr. Oudendyke in his letter to
Mr. Balfour (see page 25), denouncing bolshevism as a Jewish plan, which if
not checked by the combined action of the European powers, would engulf
Europe and the world, was no exaggeration. By the end of that year the red
flag was being hoisted in most of the great cities of Europe. In Hungary the
Jew Bela Kuhn organized and maintained for some time a merciless and bloody
tyranny similar to the one in Russia. In Germany the Jews, Liebknecht,
Barth, Scheidemann, Rosa Luxemburg, etc., made a desperate bid for power.
These and other similar convulsions shook Europe; but each country in its
own way just frustated the onslaughts.
In most countries concerned a few voices were raised in the endeavour to
expose the true nature of these evils. Only in one, however, did a political
leader and group arise, who grasped to the full the significance of these
happenings, and perceived behind the mobs of native hooligans the
organisation and driving power of world Jewry. This leader was Adolf Hitler,
and his group the National Socialist Party of Germany.
Never before in history had any country not only repulsed organized
revolution, but discerned Jewry behind it, and faced up to that fact. We
need not wonder that the sewers of Jewish vituperation were flooded over
these men and their leader; nor should we make the mistake of supposing that
Jewry would stick at any lie to deter honest men everywhere from making a
thorough investigation of the facts for themselves. Nevertheless, if any
value liberty, and set out to seek truth and defend it, this duty of
personal investigation is one which they cannot shirk.
To accept unquestioningly the lies and misrepresentaions of a
Jew-controlled or influenced press, is to spurn truth by sheer idleness, if
for no worse reason."
>The respected economist Hjalmar Schact warned Hitler that his
> armaments building program was overheating the German economy. Hitler
> would not listen and replaced Schact.
>
>Mr Vange has called me "the enemy" just because I am Jewish. He
> supports William Pierce, a subversive fanatic who tried to justify the
> bombing of the USS COLE and the killing of American sailors. These two
> wackos would betray America to her enemies if it supported their
> racist agenda. They are the type of nuts who the FBI routinely keeps
> under surveillance. The Attorney General keeps a list of subversive
> organizations. I hope that Pierce's National Alliance and Vange's
> species of nutcase are both on it. People of all races and faiths have
> risked and lost their lives to defend this country. White skin has
> nothing to do with being American.
>
America is a colony of the Jews and exists only to serve the evil Jews.
""Attack on America," Fox news. "Attack on civilization," Colon Powell.
"Attack
on democracy," Carter. "Attack on freedom," Bush. To this stupidity I
scream,
Hell no! Not just NO but hell no! It was an attack on the Jew capital of the
world, an attack on Tel Aviv West.
..... They did not attack Harlem, nor Little Havana, nor White racists in
Idaho. They went after those who have, for fifty years, slaughtered
Palestinian
children. You can not murder people's children with impunity. You can not
perpetrate a continuous Holocaust without recriminations.
..... If we, or the Israelis, had done this to others it would have been a
"surgical strike" followed by a well-thought-out letter of limited regret.
Our
generals would have laughed and bragged about the timing, accuracy and
bravery
of the troops. And the Jew ... of New York would, again, have danced a
frenzied hora.
..... Yes, America, cry with me for the innocent people killed in this
horrid
affair. But where were your tears when Manhattan Jews ran Palestinian boys
into
the corners of the walls of Jerusalem, and riddled their young bodies with
American bullets? Where were your tears while Israelis blew the heads off
the
bodies of babies and committed hundreds of thousands of other unspeakable
atrocities against the helpless and innocent, the powerless, old men and
women?
..... I can tell you where the Jews of New York were because I've written
it,
many times. When New York Jews went to Israel and killed innocent babies,
they
returned to a hero's welcome.
..... Please America, cut-off the ... Jew Television. Say no to the insane,
pro-Israel, butt-wipe politicians, and listen to that small voice, somewhere
in
your inner-being, that has told you over and over again that what we have
done
regarding the bastard state of Israel and Jew war criminals is, and has
always
been, wrong and evil.
..... Who did this horrible thing? I don't know and the question of who did
it
must be secondary to the cardinal question of "Who is responsible?" And this
question I can, effortlessly, answer.
..... First I accuse Senator Richard Shelby because I stood in his face and
told him that his support of Israel was creating an extremely dangerous
situation for my family and friends. Although surrounded by police, and
jeered
by other politicians, I told him, ten years ago, that his and this nation's
policies endangered us all.
..... Listen America, your poltroonish politicians are, at this moment,
rattling their swords, blaspheming God, and quoting inappropriate
scriptures.
And all the while, looking for those "responsible." Look in a mirror, you
mamzers, look at yourselves! You killed these people just as surely as if
you
had flown the planes!
.....You imbeciles, talking about "exterminating" those who are to blame and
those who "support" terrorist. Supporters of terror? You brain-dead
bastards,
you have supported terrorists every time you voted to send Israel our money,
our tanks, our helicopter gunships, rockets etc. etc.
..... Speaking now, is that beastly little war stud, Charlie Schumer.
Charlie
is talking about freedom just like a whore talks about love. What a cruel
joke!
..... And now comes Hillary Clinton, wrapped in a Star of David flag and
talking mean. Do you really ascribe any credence to this amateurish, Yiddish
theater?
.....Oh, but standing a head taller, above all this septic, is that
fat-jawed,
deluded piece of human shit, the Rebe Jerry Falwell. Did you hear what this
Judeo-Christian, Christian-Zionist, idiot, son-of-a-bitch said? Did You hear
him, Jesus? He said, "We should do what Ronald Reagan did to Muammar
Kaddafi,
kill their families." Were it not for Jerry Falwell and his asinine
followers
there would never have been a Twin Towers suicide attack.
.....You don't have a congressman or woman or prominent religious leader,
who
can say no, to the Jew. If one refuses, in even a slight way, to support Jew
terrorists, they all know that their careers would abruptly end. These
cowards,
from the President on down, will continue to deny their own culpability and
will, forever, sacrifice our people on a stupid, bloody, Zionist altar.
..... Listen to them! They are talking Jewish, thinking Jewish and will soon
lash-out in a very unmanly Jewish way. They are talking revenge, blood
revenge.
Lets go kill somebody, anybody, and their families!
..... "We will find these people and they will suffer," said George. "We
gonna
hunt-down and punish those responsible."
..... Well, George, why don't we start with those Jew writers who, just last
week, advocated exterminating or forcibly expelling all Palestinians from
their
homeland. Take a hard look at what you, your vice president, and Powell,
Rice,
Rumsfeld, etc. said when asked about the Israelis assassinating PLO leaders.
You people approved of these horrors and some even said that they would do
the
same things here, if necessary. Extra-judicial assassinations, here?
..... So, look at you. You miserable accessories, accomplices,
collaborators,
you brought this plague to our shores. Before the fact and after the fact,
you
will continue to deny guilt for this disaster, and like the Jew, and like
your
marionette predecessors, you will never question your own responsibility,
nor
the insanity of your one-sided foreign policies.
..... A few, only a precious few, thinking-people, know that we are already
at
war. At war with our consciences, and at war with the ignorance of those
proles
around us whose senses are controlled by the very ones who caused this
calamity. As long as we call Israel our friend there will always be an Osama
bin Laden.
Two Minutes of Hate
..... And the proles will, again, blame whomever they are told to blame and
demand the destruction of Oceania East or Oceania West because:
"It was not desirable that the proles should have strong political feelings.
All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism which could be
appealed to whenever it was necessary."
George Orwell -- "1984"
..... Can we not stop for just one moment and ask ourselves the simple,
simplest, question: Why do people hate us so? Is there something patently
wrong
with us or what our leaders are doing?...
..... Israel is not worth the blood or bone of a single American. Oh God in
heaven, look what it just cost us! Is this a wake-up call with the worst yet
to
come? God save us from our leaders and from our ignorance."
J. Floyd
Alex Vange
http://stormfront.org
www.spearhead-uk.com
"Adam Littman" <al...@nospam.cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:a3ba58$p48$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu...
>
> Well, since they were _striving_ to take over the world, and _efficiently_
> performing mass murder, that might have had something to do with the rest
of
> the world hating Germany.
>
They were fighting to stop Communism, which was trying to take over the
world, and the holo story is also false.
During World War Two the Germans put Jews and Communists in
concentration camps. The USA locked also up the Japanese and their political
opponants and for less reason. At the end of the war there was a lot of
deaths in the German camps from disease and starvation because Germany was
being bombed to rubble. There is no evidence that the Germans had gas
chambers or an extermination plan.
Newsweek magazine May 15, 1989 says on page 64:
"the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians would
quarrel over just what happened"
The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport the
Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move them to
Madagascar.
Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
"Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken from
delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed from a
delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have been used
and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical testing of the control
sample #32 showed a cyanide content of 1050 mg/kg, a very heavy
concentration. The conditions at areas from which these samples were taken
are identical with those of the control sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kr
emas IV and V differed, in the respect that these locations had sunlight
(the buildings have been torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction
of uncomplexed cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and
brick and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
stable iron-cyanide complex.
"The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are set out
in Table III.
"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that the
few that were positive were very close to the detection level (1mg/kg); 6.7
mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absense of any consequential
readings at any of the tested locations as compared to the control sample
reading 1050 mg/kg supports the evidence that these facilities were not
execution gas chambers. The small quantities detected would indicate that at
some point these buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the
buildings at all these facilities"
Critics of the Leuchter report have tried to explain this by saying it
takes more cyanide to kill lice than humans and the "gas chambers" were in
ruins. But 1050 mg/kg is still a lot more than the max of 7.9. And they have
admitted that the "gas chamber" which is shown to the tourists at Auschwitz
was actually built by the allies after the war was over. This is what they
wrote:
Brian Harmon <har...@msg.ucsf.edu> wrote in article
<080620000051136373%har...@msg.ucsf.edu>...
"You're confusing Krema I with Kremas II-V. Krema I is a
reconstruction, this has never been a secret. Kremas II-V
are in their demolished state as they were left."
Charles Don Hall <cdhall...@erols.com> wrote in article
<8F4CB71B...@news.erols.com>...
"Certainly not! The word "fake" implies a deliberate attempt to deceive.
"The staff of the Auschwitz museum will readily explain that the Nazis
tried to destroy the gas chambers in a futile attempt to conceal their
crimes. And they'll tell you that reconstruction was done later on. So it
would be dishonest for me to call it a "fake". I'll cheerfully admit that
it's a "reconstruction" if that makes you happy."
They admit that the "gas chamber" shown to the tourists at Auschwitz was
built by the allies after the war was over. There is no physical evidence
that the Germans had gas chambers. No bodies of people who died from gas
have been found. The Communists were the first to enter the camps. How do
the other allies know the Communists didn't blow up the buildings? Then they
could claim that these demolished buildings used to be gas chambers.
But then the believers will say the Gemans confessed. Their main
confession is from Hoess. Here are the details:
"In the introduction to Death Dealer [Buffalo: Prometheus, 1992], the
historian Steven Paskuly wrote: "Just after his capture in 1946, the
British Security Police were able to extract a statement from Hoess by
beating him and filling him with liquor." Paskuly was reiterating what
Rupert Butler and Bernard Clarke had already described.
In 1983, Rupert Butler published an unabashed memoir (Legions of Death,
Hamlyn: London) describing in graphic detail how, over three days, he and
Clarke and other British policemen managed to torture Hoess into making a
"coherent statement." According to Butler [Legions of Death, p. 237], he
and the other interrogators put the boots to Hoess the moment he was
captured. For starters, Clarke struck his face four times to get Höess to
reveal his true identity.
<quote>
The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of Jewish sergeants in the
arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following an order
signed by Höss.
The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his
body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it
seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off, unless
you want to take back a corpse."
A blanket was thrown over Höss and he was dragged to Clarke's car, where
the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whisky down his throat. Höss
tried to sleep.
Clarke thrust his service stick under the man's eyelids and ordered in
Geffnan: "Keep your pig eyes open, you swine."
For the first time Höss trotted out his oft-repeated justification: "I
took my orders frorn Himmler. I was a soldier in the same way as you are
a soldier and we had to obey orders."
The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow was
swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Höss and he was made to walk
completely nude through the prison yard to his cell.
</quote>
An article in the Britsh newspaper Wrexham Leader [Mike Mason, "In a cell
with
a Nazi war criminal -- We kept him awake until he confessed," October 17,
1986] following the airing of a TV documentary on the case of Rudolf Hoess
included eyewitness recollections by Ken Jones:
<quote>
Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the Fifth Royal Horse Artillery
stationed at Heid[e] in Schleswig-Holstein. "They brought him to us when
he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activities during the
war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail cell in
the barracks," recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed with
Mr. Jones to join Höss in his cell to help break him down for
interrogation. "We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with
axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help
break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones. When Höss was taken out for
exercise he was made to wear only jeans and a cotton shirt in the bitter
cold. After three days and nights without sleep, Höss finally broke down
and made a full confession to the authorities.
</quote>
The confession Hoess signed was numbered document NO-1210; later revamped,
as document PS-3868, which became the basis for an oral deposition Hoess
made for the IMT on April 15, 1946, a month after it had been extracted
from him by torture...
Since what people confess to after they have been captured by the
Communists and their liberal comrades is not proof of anything, this leaves
only the stories of survivors. These contradict each other and not
believable. One professional survivor said that he could tell if the Germans
were gassing German Jews or Polish Jews by the color of the smoke.
The fact that there are so many "survivors" is not proof of an
extermination plan. There may be six million survivors. Just about every Jew
that is old says he is a survivor.
The real "holocaust" was when the Communist Jews murdered millions of
Christians. Communism was Jewish. Here is proof:
Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and
His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941, translated by
Charles Malamuth.
In this book he told who the principle members of the October Central
Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik Party during
the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:
"In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons elected by
secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the exception of the
four who had recieved the largest number of votes. Lenin--133 out of a
possible 134, Zinoviev--132, Kamenev--131, Trotzky--131."
Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three were
known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile but he was married to a
Jewess. It was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London Jewish
Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.
The communists took over Hungary in 1919. Their leader was the Jew,
Bela Kun (Cohen).
The leaders of communist Poland were the Jews Minc, Skryeszewski,
Modzelewski, and Berman.
The leader of communist Roumania was the Jewess Anna Pauker
The leader of communist Chechoslovakia was the Jew Rudolf Slansky.
The leader of communist Yogoslavia was not a Jew. He was Tito,
however he was tutored by a Jewish mentor named Mosa Pljade.
Communism in America was also Jewish.
In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
confidential documents from State Department files. This was the Amerasia
case they were:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at one
time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the ringleader of
the group arrested.
Andrew Roth, a Jew.
Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.
John Service, a gentile.
Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown
Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.
In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.
The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was Gerhart
Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist Party in the
U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.
In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film writers of
the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of Congress and
sentanced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of the ten were
communist party members and the other four were flagrantly pro-communist.
One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis and
the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National Secretariat of the
American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two gentiles, three nationality
unknown.
Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was convicted
for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on information obtained
from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of the ring. All of them were
convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews.
Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first published
in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis Browne.
"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated in the
heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were neither Reform
or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing Jews at all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there was
Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of Israel than
most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born in Germany in
1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not himself reared as a
Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized a Christian by his
father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him thoughout his days, for
he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two men
who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby, Gabriel
Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish lineage
played important roles in the struggle that went thoughout Europe in this
period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being waged, whether in
France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there the Jew was to be found.
It was little wonder that the enemies of social progress, the monarchists
and the Churchmen, came to speak of the whole liberal movement as nothing
but a Jewish plot."
The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from the
U.S. Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type"
type."
A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government.
David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)> "There is much in the fact of Bolshevism
itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London
April, 4, 1919) "Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The
American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to
read articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous stuff.
From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I recalled to mind the
names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then I realized that most of
them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social Democratic representatives in
the Imperial Cabinet as well as the secretaries if the Trades Unions and
the street agitators. Everywhere the same sinister picture presented
itself. I shall never forget the row of names- Austerlitz, David, Adler,
Ellonbogen, and others. One fact became quite evident to me. It was that
this alien race held in its hands the leadership of that Social Democratic
Party with whose minor representatives I had been disputing for months
past."
Solzhenitsyn named in his book the six top administrators of the
Soviet death camps. All six of them were Jews.
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Alex Vangel <va...@i1.net> wrote:
> I said I agreed with the Bible because it is against the homosexual
>perverts, the feminists, and the Jews. This is what it says about
>delinquents:
>
>Deuteronomy 21:18-21
>"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice
>of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have
>chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his
>mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and
>unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city,
>This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he
>is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him
>with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and
>all Israel shall hear, and fear."
>
> Maybe this is extreme. I'm not for having laws that are very unpopular
>with the people, but a nation without juvenile delinquents would be good.
There is nothing in Mr. Vangel's citation about "homosexual perverts,
the feminists, and the Jews." One can only wonder why he offers it as
relevant to those folks.
Perhaps he simply can't bring himself to admit that what he's really
trying to say is that murdering unruly White children is ok with him,
just as it was ok with Hitler, his hero.
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Alex Vangel <va...@i1.net> wrote:
> Here is a quote from The Nameless War, by Captain A. H. M. Ramsay:
Here is a quote from Alex Vangel:
"I said I agreed with the Bible because it is against the
homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews. This is
what it says about delinquents:
"Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will
not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother,
and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto
them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the
gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his
city, This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not
obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the
men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel
shall hear, and fear." (UseNet alt.revisionism. Subject:
"Re: More crap from the VangelBot," 31 Jan. 2001. Message-ID:
3c589...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com)
Note that this quote from Mr. Vangel says nothing about
"homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews," as he
suggested. Yet he cites it to justify the murder of children
whose only crime was that of being found "unruly" by Adolf
Hitler's murdering thugs.
For information about Mr. Vangel's hate group, see
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity
--
"The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
(Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
Kenneth McVay, OBC
> Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
Here is a part of the Vangel Report:
--
"In the final analysis, one does not refute a closed system, a total
lie that is not refutable to the extent that its conclusions has
preceded any evidence." (Vidal-Naquet, Pierre. Assassins of Memory,
New York: Columbia University Press. p.81)
Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
=========
"Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
news:a3das8$1ivg$1...@news.tht.net...
david_michael
> In article <3c5a0...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com>,
> Alex Vangel <va...@i1.net> wrote:
>
> > Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
>
> Here is a part of the Vangel Report:
And here is part of 'Uncle' Kenneth McVay's views on child pornography:
<begin quote>
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
<end quote>
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of Alice in
Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
<begin quote>
From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
Newsgroups: alt.sex
Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
References: <137...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.2...@amherst.bitnet>
Lines: 8
Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>> restrictions are generally in force anyway. Aside from pornography
>> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance to
another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for years,
or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
<end quote>
David
david_michael
> In article <3c5a0...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com>,
> Alex Vangel <va...@i1.net> wrote:
>
> > Here is a quote from The Nameless War, by Captain A. H. M. Ramsay:
>
> Here is a quote from Alex Vangel:
And here are some quotes from Nizkor director Ken McVay on the subject of
david_michael
Daniel Keren
[slanders deleted]
In various articles posted to the newsgroup alt.revisionism,
David E. Michael has:
- Supported mass murder and international terrorism [1].
- Endorsed inflicting violence upon innocent children [2].
- Endorsed exposing children to web sites carrying repulsive
pornographic material, claiming this has an "educational
value" [3].
- Supported various crucial aspects of the Nazi ideology [4].
-Danny Keren.
[1] On Sep. 11 2001, a few hours after the terrorist attack on the WTC
and the Pentagon, David E. Michael posted an article highly praising
the attack, and expressed his hope for more such mass murder, with
the words: "This afternoon a truly wonderful thing has happened", and
"Today was a glorious day. May there be many others like it". In other
articles, he highly praised the terrorists, describing them as "noble
and heroic" (post to AR, 2001-09-17).
[2] On 2000/07/04, David E. Michael wrote, in the most explicit
and clear manner possible, that he endorses inflicting violence
upon innocent children:
<begin quote>
From: David.E.Michael (david.e...@mars.co.universe)
Subject: Re: Give Yale Edeiken's relatives a call.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2000/07/04
Fergus McClelland wrote:
[...]
> If Yale Edeiken kicked a poster to this group in the head, would it
> justify kicking his mother, father and children?
>
> Of course it would not.
If it would deter other Yale Edeiken's from doing likewise, then yes it
would.
David
<end quote>
[3] <begin quote>
From: David E Michael (david.e...@btinternet.com)
Subject: Re: John Morris up to his usual tricks
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2000/03/30
Orac wrote:
> Such are David Michael's allies, people who, in the name of
> crusading against homosexuality, have no qualms about putting
> up the most disgusting and pornographic pictures on an
> unprotected website that children can easily access.
It is commendable and, as I have argued elsewhere, has positive
educational value.
<end quote>
[4] For example, on 1998/09/11 David E. Michael posted the following
to AR:
<begin quote>
I can see how the concerns about Jewish influence may have arisen,
and from my own fairly recent encounter with the Jewish community,
I must say that I am struck by how true-to-life the Nazi stereotype
of the Jews seems to be.
<end quote>
david_michael
"Daniel Keren" <dke...@world.std.com> wrote in message
news:Gqus0...@world.std.com...
> "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> writes:
>
> [slanders deleted]
>
> In various articles posted to the newsgroup alt.revisionism,
> David E. Michael has:
>
> - Supported mass murder and international terrorism [1].
He means roundly condemned Israeli terror against the Palestinians and US
terror against the Iraqis, Afghans, etc. etc.
> - Endorsed inflicting violence upon innocent children [2].
Quite false.
> - Endorsed exposing children to web sites carrying repulsive
> pornographic material, claiming this has an "educational
> value" [3].
He's referring to Don Ellis's campaign against homosexuality.
> - Supported various crucial aspects of the Nazi ideology [4].
Like their opposition to communism.
Riiight.
I also said that I think Hitler was a twit. (I think the same about Danny
Keren, but . . .)
> -Danny Keren.
David
SW
david_michael <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:3c5a...@212.67.96.135...
> This off-topic spam was brought to you by the psychotherapist psycho, mr.
david michael, the
> sociopathic thug, antisemite, Nazoid sympathizer and apologist, liar,
> hypocrite, and all-around amoral pusbucket, who wrote:
>
> Now, however, the chickens are coming home to roost. This afternoon a
> truly
> wonderful thing has happened: the oppressed of the earth have turned
> around
> and have shown that they do not have to be nature's eternal victims.
> They
> have shown that the poor, the downtrodden, and the powerless can strike
> back
> at the very heart of the dark forces that are oppressing them. This time
> it
> was not Palestinian children who cowered in fear as death came from the
> skies -- this time it was the very fat bankers and financiers who
> sustain
> the terroristic regime of Sharon. This time it was those very military
> men
> who mastermind the attacks on the women and children of Iraq. They
> thought
> they were so safe as they planned death and destruction from their
> comfortable offices in the Pentagon, and as they did their dirty deals
> in
> the World Trade Center. Now they have been given a bloody nose that they
> will never forget.
>
> Today was a glorious day. May there be many others like it.
>
> Death to American capitalism!
>
> Death to international finance!
>
>
SW
SW
david_michael
"SW" <Adolf@Ach, it is so hot down here.com> wrote in message
news:hLA68.17694$p5.25...@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com...
If you are still shaken by the horrifying scenes of September 11, please
observe a moment of silence for the [2,000] civilian lives lost in the New
York, Washington, DC and Pennsylvania attacks.
While we're at it, let's have 13 minutes of silence for the 130,000 Iraqi
civilians killed in 1991 by order of President Bush Sr. Take another moment
here to remember how Americans celebrated and cheered in the streets.
Now another 20 minutes of silence for the 200,000 Iranians killed by Iraqi
soldiers using weapons and money provided to young Saddam Hussein by the
American government, before the great eagle turned all its power against
Iraq.
Another 15 minutes of silence for the Russians and 150,000 Afghans killed by
troops supported and trained by the CIA. Plus 10 minutes of silence for
300,000 Japanese killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the Atomic bombs
dropped by the USA
We've just kept quiet for one hour: one minute for the Americans killed in
NY, DC, and Pennsylvania, 59 minutes for their victims throughout the world.
If you are still in awe, let's have another hour of silence for all those
killed in Vietnam, which is not something Americans like to admit. The US
went to another continent thousands of miles away and burnt tens of
thousands of Vietnamese peasants with napalm.
Or for the massacre in Panama in 1989, where American troops attacked poor
villagers, leaving 20,000 Panamanians homeless and thousands more dead. Or
for the millions of children who have died because of the USA embargoes on
Iraq and Cuba
Or the hundreds of thousands brutally murdered throughout the world by
US-sponsored civil wars and coups d'etat (Chile, Argentina, Uruguay,
Bolivia, Guatemala, El Salvador to name a few).
Maybe, and although the memory of Americans claims otherwise, someone may
remember the USA attack on Baghdad where 18,000 civilians were killed. Did
someone see it on CNN? Was justice ever served? Or was there even any
retaliation?
We hope that Americans finally begin to understand their vulnerability and
the attacks and other tragedies that they have caused around the world. The
dead in other places hurt as much as the dead of the Towers, maybe even
more!
What about the 560,000 Iraqi children (as per current UN data) who have died
as a direct cause of the US supported sanctions against Iraq? Are these the
children of a lesser God?
What about a new generation of nearly one million Iraqi children who are
currently having their lives being ruined by improper nutrition, lack of
medicine and inferior education because of US supported sanctions.
Now, let's talk about terrorism, shall we?
SW
Your phony concern for Japanese, Iraqis, Iranians, Palestinians, Vietnamese
and Afghans fools no one. These are just some of the ethnic groups you are
striving to keep out of Britain because their skin color is different from
yours. And you have the gall to call others hypocrites, mr. david michael,
you who are a psycho, a slimy little lying worm, an antisemitic, racist
Nazoid sympathizer and apologizer, and sociopathic, amoral pusbucket who
Gord McFee
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> And this is what David Michael, alt.revisionism's Big Hairy Spider, really thinks about children:
David Michael now professes great disgust at child pornography. But it
seems he has no problems with children viewing adult pornography.
<quote>
[Orac had written, about pictures of coprophilia on Don Ellis' website,
that is, men eating each other's excrement and whether children should
be allowed to view it]
> Really? Then what do you say about his failure to protect children from seeing such filth on his website?
[David Michael]
I think that we should not attempt to shield children from knowing about
the sort of world in which they must live. If they are prepared for it
at an early age then they will be better able to deal with it and
perhaps to help to overthrow it.
</quote>
-- Message-ID: <3A07A2AB...@onetel.net.uk>
-- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:35:23 +0000
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Visit the Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org
Gord McFee
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> "Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
> news:a3db39$1j1m$1...@news.tht.net...
> > In article <3c5a0...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com>,
> > Alex Vangel <va...@i1.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
> >
> > Here is a part of the Vangel Report:
>
> And here is part of Big Hairy Spider David Michael's views on child pornography:
Gord McFee
Gord McFee
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> "Daniel Keren" <dke...@world.std.com> wrote in message
> news:Gqus0...@world.std.com...
> > "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> writes:
> >
> > [slanders deleted]
> >
> > In various articles posted to the newsgroup alt.revisionism,
> > David E. Michael has:
> >
> > - Supported mass murder and international terrorism [1].
>
> He means roundly condemned Israeli terror against the Palestinians and US
> terror against the Iraqis, Afghans, etc. etc.
No, he is referring to the terrorist attack of September 11 that killed
over 3000 people, among them women and children. That is what David
Michael exults in.
(1) David Michael states his position on the terrorist murder of over
3000 people on September 11, 2001 in the attacks in New York, Washington
and Pennsylvania.
<quote>
Now, however, the chickens are coming home to roost. This afternoon a
truly wonderful thing has happened: the oppressed of the earth have
turned around and have shown that they do not have to be nature's
eternal victims. They have shown that the poor, the downtrodden, and the
powerless can strike back at the very heart of the dark forces that are
oppressing them. This time it was not Palestinian children who cowered
in fear as death came from the skies -- this time it was the very fat
bankers and financiers who sustain the terroristic regime of Sharon.
This time it was those very military men who mastermind the attacks on
the women and children of Iraq. They thought they were so safe as they
planned death and destruction from their comfortable offices in the
Pentagon, and as they did their dirty deals in the World Trade Center.
Now they have been given a bloody nose that they will never forget.
Today was a glorious day. May there be many others like it.
Death to American capitalism!
Death to international finance!
David Michael
Message-ID: <3b9e...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:18:49 +0100
</quote>
(2) When challenged with: "You applaud the terror and killing of
thousands of innocent people perpetrated by the terrorists who attacked
the Pentagon and attacked and destroyed the World Trade Center, calling
their actions "a wonderful thing," the day the attacks occurred a
"glorious day," and finishing by fervently wishing for "many more" such
days.", his response is:
"I do indeed."
Message-ID: <3bae...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:26:45 +0100
(3) To a debating opponent who doesn't share his admiration for
terrorism:
<quote>
All I can say in response to your filthy remark is that I very much hope
that, if there is an anthrax attack on America, your loved ones fall
victim to it so that you get a dose of your own putrid medicine.
</quote>
Message-ID: <3bc9...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:34:44 +0100
(4) In response to Joe Bruno:
[Bruno]
> I ask you now to reconsider your position. I wonder if it might have
> been rooted in a momentary anger about something. The people of
> England have a long tradition of respect for law and human life. Are
> you renouncing that tradition?
[Michael]
My only regret, Bruno, is that you were not at the very top of the New
York World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.
Message-ID: <b7fe1abc.02010...@posting.google.com>
Date: 2 Jan 2002 17:59:54 -0800
> > - Endorsed inflicting violence upon innocent children [2].
>
> Quite false.
Prove it.
> > - Endorsed exposing children to web sites carrying repulsive
> > pornographic material, claiming this has an "educational
> > value" [3].
>
> He's referring to Don Ellis's campaign against homosexuality.
No, he is referring to David Michael's approval of unfettered access by
children to a website that shows men eating each other;'s excrement and
engaging in homosexual acts. David Michael thinks children should be
permitted to see this filth.
Joe Bruno
>>I'd rather talk about PROVEN terrorism. As soon as you provide proof
for all those impressive statistics you sling at us, served up piping
hot with gobs of emotional sauce, I will be happy to discuss the
subject. The WTC deaths are established as fact-now it's time for you
to put your data on an equal legal footing. I do believe this request
has been made before-an international court of law deals only with
PROVEN facts.
Joe Bruno
William Daffer
[snip]
> If you are still shaken by the horrifying scenes of September 11, please
> observe a moment of silence for the [2,000] civilian lives lost in the New
> York, Washington, DC and Pennsylvania attacks.
>
You didn't describe it as 'horrifying' on Sept 11, when you said
"This afternoon a truly wonderful thing has happened . . . Today was
a glorious day. May there be many others like it."
[For the complete post of this terrorist sympathizer, see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b9e5465%40news-uk.onetel.net.uk]
[snip octopus ink]
whd
--
The DEM unit commenting on the harassment campaign against Sara
Salzman which has been going on for *months*.
Looks to me like a harmless bit of fun at the expense of a rather
unpleasant person.
Thus speaks a moral cretin.
SW
Kurt Knoll <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote in message
news:3c5a3...@binaries.vphos.net...
> Richard Evans must be a Jew who else would make such comments.
>
> Kurt Knoll.
Right, Knucklehead. Everyone's a Jew except you and your brother.
sw