LAUGH OF THE DAY -- FETZER CLAIMS ZAPRUDER PROBABLY WASN'T ON PEDESTAL AT ALL
David Von Pein
Healy ought to love this idiocy from Jim Fetzer. It's right up Mr.
Crackpipe's alley:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=4653f85bbbd4aa7fc691d95a1fce095d&showtopic=14121
aeffects
> Healy ought to love this idiocy from Jim Fetzer. It's right up Mr.
> Crackpipe's alley:
>
son your penis envy is duly noted.... now climb back in that bedroom
with your brother and, ahem.... bone up... you have 45 questions and
16 smoking guns to deal with -- attempting simple minded diversion
won't work around here... so, get on it troll..... times a'wasten.....
Chuck Schuyler
> Healy ought to love this idiocy from Jim Fetzer. It's right up Mr.
> Crackpipe's alley:
>
I get my share of laughs here, but this is frighteningly disturbing.
How can a grown man, a college professor, believe such crap?
Professor Jim Fetzer is actually postulating that a rubber Abraham
Zapruder may have been on the pergola filming (fake filming? Who the
heck knows) the assassination.
Fetzer:
"There are several possibilities, including that Zapruder was made of
rubber, that Zapruder was not there at all, and that someone else
stood in for him. We shall see."
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Fetzer needs a rubber room.
Chuck Schuyler
> son your penis envy is duly noted.... now climb back in that bedroom
> with your brother and, ahem.... bone up... you have 45 questions and
> 16 smoking guns to deal with -- attempting simple minded diversion
> won't work around here... so, get on it troll..... times a'wasten.....
Hey, Red-Nose...
Do you agree with the Nutty Professor?
Was the Zapruder on the pergola 11/22/63 fake? Made of rubber?
What's your theory, Einstein?
aeffects
>
> I get my share of laughs here, but this is frighteningly disturbing.
> How can a grown man, a college professor, believe such crap?
>
son, no surprise there, your a failed Insurance rep selling worthless
reverse mortgages and stealing clients blind and Jim Fetzer is a
university professor carrying a Ph.D. -- No brainer, troll!
David Von Pein
>>> "Professor Jim Fetzer is actually postulating that a rubber Abraham Zapruder may have been on the pergola..." <<<
Yeah, I was ready to give Fetzer the benefit of the doubt about his
"rubber Zapruder" remark, because I truly thought that was a tongue-in-
cheek remark. (I mean, how could it NOT be?)
But evidently it might not be tongue-in-cheek on Kook Fetzer's part.
That nutcase will apparently believe anything.
justm...@gmail.com
Maybe he takes the same drugs Healy does? LOL
Gil Jesus
wrote:
> Maybe he takes the same drugs Healy does? LOL
Hopefully, he doesn't take same drugs as you.
INTRODUCING THE BIZARRE AND UNPROVEN RANTINGS OF THE RAVING LUNATIC
KNOWN AS JUSTME1952
BIZARRE RANTING # 1 --- THE IMPOSTER
Justme1952 accused an "imposter" of posting a post of his to other
newsgroups, when in fact HE was the one who cross-posted it:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a1714b6d2ffd26fd
when he found out that his post was on other newsgroups, he flipped
out, blaming the "imposter" for creating "bogus" newsgroups :
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/55eea239ebd9c15d
These unbelievable posts from a self described "Information
Technology" EXPERT with over 12 years experience. Since, then, he's
seen Gil Jesuses everywhere. Every new poster using AOL has been
accused of being me. In addition, he was so convinced that I was the
imposter, he complained to AIOE, the news server that I was using at
the time, then announced that he had received an e-mail from them
advising that I had been banned from the newsserver.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b6ffb12116db4645
Justme accused me of being the "imposter", who posted under the name
"Oliver Clozov".
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c127df0daa6e70f3
But he slipped and admitted that both the IP and ISP addresses of the
"imposter" were his.
"I have his ip addy and his isp he uses....its the same one I use."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b9e5e74788bbacd0
And according to this German website, the alias used by the imposter
"Oliver Clozov" WAS actually used by justme1952 himself :
http://profile.nntp2http.com/5674978589d439aedb4e151f7b6a4a71.htm
---------------------------------------------------
BIZARRE RANTING # 2 ---- BANNED FROM AIOE
Justme told the world that he had "proven" that the imposter was me
and as a result, had gotten me "banned" from AIOE, the server that I
had been using at the time.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c127df0daa6e70f3
But when I proved that I could still post from that server, Justme
claimed, without providing any evidence, that I could somehow
circumvent the server's banlist.
"Took you all night and day to figure out how to deceive AIOE again
huh Chico?"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6ed1a96f33be24a4
----------------------------------------------------
BIZARRE RANTING # 3 ------ SEEING GIL JESUSES EVERYWHERE
Justme accuses me of being "Robcap", mistaking the AOL ISP as our
"exact IP address".
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7a1db72289083992
Justme accuses me of being "Curious George"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5671af0b682e64af
Justme accuses me of being "Oliver Clozov"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c127df0daa6e70f3
Justme accuses me of being "Justin", "justinsmom", "samlappacunt",
"justacunt" and "jmoore".
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5fec9541083f12cc
------------------------------------------
BIZARRE RANTING # 4 ----- THE EDITED VIDEO
Justme posts on 2/8/09:
GIL JESUS POSTED A VIDEO ........ OF O'NEILL STATING THAT AFTER
LOOKING AT THE MEDICAL REPORTS HE SAID "WAIT A MINUTE".
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/79c6b5ddecdca827
But as one can tell from watching the video, Frank O'Neill says no
such thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmfqDOnZu_Q
When Justme realizes that O'Neill said no such thing in the video, he
responds:
"GIL JESUS EDITS O'NEILLS VIDEO AFTER PROVEN WRONG"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7f53a32f0bffc9a0
But the video page indicates that the video was uploaded on September
15, 2007 and could not have been edited since then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmfqDOnZu_Q
--------------------------------------------------
aaronhi...@yahoo.com
secretary in different positions on the pergola at the same time.
Wearing different clothes! Can you explain that?
Aaron Hirshberg
Gil Jesus
I'm not an expert on the available techinques used to alter video
circa 1963, but if the UFO videos circa the 1950's were so easily
faked by ordinary citizens, one can only imagine what was possible in
the hands of professionals prior to the extant film's appearance ala
Groden in 1975.
I do know that the extant film does NOT represent the President's head
wound as described by the witnesses in Dealey, at Parkland and at
Bethesda and either ALL of the witnesses who saw a large exit wound at
the back of the skull were wrong, or the film was altered some time
while it was "locked away" in the vault at Life magazine.
I guess it depends on what one chooses to believe.
robc...@netscape.com
> Healy ought to love this idiocy from Jim Fetzer. It's right up Mr.
> Crackpipe's alley:
>
Maybe ONE day DVP will LEARN that Mr. Fetzer is an EDITOR, thus he did
NOT make the claim DVP mentioned! I believe IF my memory serves me
Mr. White noticed things while working with the extant Z-film THAT
MADE HIM THINK THIS, and Mr. Fetzer is simply supporting the work in
his book.
Am I correct on this Mr. Healy?
aeffects
I believe all one has to do is read the front cover on any of the
three books concerning 11/22/1963 events in Dealey Plaza, Dallas Texas
to find: "edited" by James Fetzer Ph.D clearly displayed (I believe
Dr. Fetzer has wrote and/or edited some 20 books in publication today
and who knows how many scholarly articles) -- Further, what any of the
book(s) contributors "thought," concluded and presented is of course
their business and opinon, alone.
Perhaps a good exercise for Lone Nuts and trolls would be to read the
front cover of those books... heaven forbid.... LMFAO!
Steve
> Healy ought to love this idiocy from Jim Fetzer. It's right up Mr.
> Crackpipe's alley:
>
David,
I don't know of a single scholar in the country that takes Jimmy
Fetzer serious. Not one. And I don't know of a single scholar that
has even heard of David Healy. Healy's only claim to fame (and the
point he always is forced to mention at every lull in the
conversation) is that he is published. I have read David Healy's
tripe and I wouldn't be too quick to brag about being published if I
were him. Making a lot of bad caserole does not make someone a chef.
I gave up contributing to the Sparticus long ago because it is like
trying to talk about reality with the patients in a mental ward. That
group has checked out of reality long ago and have taken up permanent
residence in the netherworld. It is a waste of time trying to talk to
Simkin's boys.
Concerning Jimmy Fetzer's latest claim. This is simply evidence that
the Internet has NOT made the general populace smarter as many
anticipated twenty years ago. The Internet has made people with a
solid logical background much more aware of information, but it has
also made the lunatic fringe much more goofy than they otherwise would
have been able to become without the Internet.
We are living in an age when people will believe ANYTHING.
Steve Anderson
Rudy Lasparri
<da7669c0-054f-4da8...@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Steve <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah, I guess if anyone believes the SBT, they WILL believe anything!
David Von Pein
>>> "Yeah, I guess if anyone believes the SBT, they WILL believe anything!" <<<
So Rudy is suggesting that Mega-Kook Fetzer believes in the SBT.
Interesting.
David Von Pein
>>> "Maybe ONE day DVP will LEARN that Mr. Fetzer is an EDITOR, thus he did NOT make the claim DVP mentioned! I believe IF my memory serves me[,] Mr. White noticed things while working with the extant Z-film THAT MADE HIM THINK THIS, and Mr. Fetzer is simply supporting the work in his book." <<<
Yes, Mega-Kook Jack White evidently was the first moron who came up
with the idea that Zapruder was never on the pedestal, but it's quite
clear that James Fetzer HIMSELF certainly ENDORSES such crazy
talk....otherwise he wouldn't be talking about it on the Internet in
the terms he is talking about it.
(Duh.)
Fetzer said:
"There are several possibilities, including that Zapruder was
made of rubber, that Zapruder was not there at all, and that someone
else stood in for him. We shall see."
Fetzer also made these loony statements:
"Zapruder and Sitzman may have been in the area, but I have
always found it a bit odd that she would climb up on the pedestal,
which would have been difficult for anyone but especially a woman in a
dress, who, presumably, would want to preserve her modesty. But the
question is a bit more basic than that, since we know that "the
Zapruder film" is not a film that Zapruder--or anyone else!--could
have taken, since it includes events, like the blow-out to the right-
front, which are complete fabrications."
[/End Kook Quotations.]
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14121
After reading comments like the ones above authored by James H.
Fetzer, is it truly possible not to come away shaking your own head in
bewilderment about how a person who is supposed to be quite
"scholarly" regarding his research could believe such total nonsense
for even TWO SECONDS?
Fetzer's entire theory regarding the Zapruder Film being a "complete
fabrication" can be knocked down in just a few seconds by watching the
11/22/63 LIVE TELEVISION interview given by Abraham Zapruder himself
on WFAA-TV in Dallas (which is an interview that took place no more
than 2 hours after Zapruder took the famous 26-second home movie that
Fetzer thinks is a "complete fabrication"):
www.YouTube.com/watch?v=_Rv__xZF6hM&fmt=18
How does Mr. Fetzer handle the fact that Abe Zapruder went on live TV
within just a couple of hours of the assassination and told the world
that he stood on "one of those concrete blocks that they have down by
the Underpass" and took "some pictures" of the motorcade?
I guess Fetzer and Jack White MUST think that Abraham Zapruder is one
of THE MAIN CONSPIRATORS in the cover-up regarding the Z-Film. How
could Fetzer NOT think that, given his belief that Abe was probably
not up on that "concrete block" at all on November 22nd? Crazy.
aeffects
the insufferable David Von Pein aka Dave Reitzes drones on:
...
> I guess Fetzer and Jack White MUST think that Abraham Zapruder is one
> of THE MAIN CONSPIRATORS in the cover-up regarding the Z-Film. How
> could Fetzer NOT think that, given his belief that Abe was probably
> not up on that "concrete block" at all on November 22nd? Crazy.
a White Russian like old Abe? Nah.....
Rudy Lasparri
<13d3be02-a8ee-4486...@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
aeffects <aeffe...@gmail.com> wrote:
Zapruder's height measured in various photos results in a wide
discrepancy of several inches. Therefore, Fetzer stated that if
Zapruder could be several different heights, either the photos
were altered -- or -- Zapruder must have been made of rubber.
He was clearly being facetious in suggesting the latter. But
rave on DVP.
David Von Pein
>>> "Zapruder's height measured in various photos results in a wide discrepancy of several inches." <<<
Then--quite obviously--the people doing this kind of "measuring" (on 2-
dimensional photos and films) are dead-wrong.
Rudy, do you think Abe Zapruder was lying to Jay Watson (and the
world) on 11/22/63 when he said he was taking a film from the
"concrete block down there by the underpass"?
>>> "Therefore, Fetzer stated that if Zapruder could be several different heights, either the photos were altered -- or -- Zapruder must have been made of rubber." <<<
Or -- the people doing the "measuring" don't know what the hell
they're talking about.
I'll choose that latter option.
Naturally, that option is totally out of the question when talking to
Anybody-But-Zapruder kooks though.
>>> "He was clearly being facetious in suggesting the latter." <<<
If you'll look at an earlier post of mine above, you'll see that I
thought he was kidding about the "rubber" thing too. But, as it turns
out, he was dead serious. Just look at his later posts at the Edu.
Forum to see how serious he is. (Maybe Jim's head is made out of
rubber. That'd explain a lot.)
>>> "But rave on DVP." <<<
Nah. I'll let Fetzer do the raving. He's good at it.
Rudy Lasparri
<84fb7bc8-5f29-48d0...@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "Zapruder's height measured in various photos results in a wide
> >>> discrepancy of several inches." <<<
>
> Then--quite obviously--the people doing this kind of "measuring" (on 2-
> dimensional photos and films) are dead-wrong.
>
> Rudy, do you think Abe Zapruder was lying to Jay Watson (and the
> world) on 11/22/63 when he said he was taking a film from the
> "concrete block down there by the underpass"?
Z stated his name twice to Watson as "Zapruda" -- Watson repeated it:
"Zapruda." Someone who claimed he knew Abe Zapruder for years went
on record to say that the guy Watson interviewed on camera "was not the
Abe Zapruder he knew for years."
Some of the photos showed Sitzman standing in front of Zapruder blocking
his camera. Was she transparent allowing Zapruder to shoot through her?
Zapruder said he began filming as the limo came into sight on Houston St
and he never stopped filming until the limo left the plaza. So why isn't
the turn onto Elm St seen on his film??
In at least one photo, no one is on the Zapruder pedestal yet the
motorcade is still passing that location. How can that be?
I don't have the answers but suffice to say, there are irregularities
and inconsistencies in the photographic record. Fetzer, I believe, is
attempting to address these issues. He is not infallible, but he may be
asking the right questions.
Have you ever stood on Zapruder's pedestal? Zapruder said he suffered
vertigo. I don't. But I found standing up there to feel precarious, at
best. Add to that, closing one eye and looking through the tiny
viewfinder of a camera exactly like Zapruder's. And then being startled
by the sound of gunshots. If Z really had vertigo he would've fallen or
at least jumped down onto solid ground IMO. So asking questions or
raising issues may be reasonable to do -- it's better than simply
accepting the prevailing story with blind faith.
>
>
>
> >>> "Therefore, Fetzer stated that if Zapruder could be several different
> >>> heights, either the photos were altered -- or -- Zapruder must have been
> >>> made of rubber." <<<
>
> Or -- the people doing the "measuring" don't know what the hell
> they're talking about.
Then again, perhaps they do.
Gil Jesus
> Healy ought to love this idiocy from Jim Fetzer. It's right up Mr.
> Crackpipe's alley:
>
It must be a real bitch for you, Von Pein, to have been thrown out of
the Education Forum. Your constant postings citing that forum shows
that you have a tough time letting go........your pain is so obvious.
Perhaps if you quote yourself, you'll feel better.
Chuck Schuyler
> It must be a real bitch for you, Von Pein, to have been thrown out of
> the Education Forum. Your constant postings citing that forum shows
> that you have a tough time letting go........your pain is so obvious.
>
> Perhaps if you quote yourself, you'll feel better.
Gil,
Are you attacking DVP, defending/endorsing Rudy's views, or a little
of both.
Do you honestly think a fake/duplicate/rubber/impostor Abe Zapruder
filmed/fake filmed the assassination?
Do you realize how utterly retarded the notion of putting a 'fake'
Zapruder on the knoll to film or fake film the assassination is?
And for what purpose did this whole secret plot-within-a-plot occur?
Most of you kooks think the Z film was altered later, so we have the
hilarious prospect of some super secret cabal who somehow knew the
real old man Zapruder would be in town that day, would be near the
knoll, be with a secretary dumb enough not to notice the guy she was
propping up on the knoll was a rubber fake, and would somehow be able
to get his movie camera (and how did *they* know Z owned a home movie
camera) in the hands of the impostor/rubber/fake Zapruder--so the evil
doers could later 'alter' the film!!!
Why bother filming at all?
Next, they get secretary Sitzman and Zapruder to lie about this for
the rest of their lives. Perhaps the guys that hypnotized Sirhan
Sirhan were rolled out for this mind control project.
So, Gil...did Abe Zapruder stand on that knoll with his movie camera
or not?
Yes or no.
Real simple.
Steve
> In article
> <13d3be02-a8ee-4486-a110-914c4c611...@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
But the point remains Rudy, you are basing your ridiculous premise on
the work of JACK WHITE. Have you read ANYTHING about Jack White's
public embarassments over his lack of expertise? He graduated from
the same university Robert Groden did. For ANYONE to place any level
of credence in Jack White is evidence that they don't select their
"experts" very carefully. Within the "conspiracy nut community" Jack
White is a god. Within the world of real photographic experts Jack
White is a nobody who has never done ANYTHING of note. Of course if
you ask Jack about this (which I have done many times) he points out
that he doesn care if people laugh at him, (he then proudly says)
people laughed at Copernicus, people laughed at Galileo, and people
laughed at Einstein. As I pointed out to old crazy Jack--people also
laughed at the Three Stooges. Crazy Jack's followers like David Healy
have deluded themselves into thinking they are on the cutting edge of
breaking this case wide open. They have been making that claim since
about 1975. They will both die some day and will not even be a minor
footnote in the history of REAL historical investigation. And then
their deluded followers will shrug their shoulders and start following
the next messiah. Having studied history for thirty years I've seen
this happen time and time and time again.
Rudy Lasparri
<40218500-d769-4bc2...@a5g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Steve <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jack White worked in the graphic arts business for his entire career
having had his own agency. He has decades worth of photographic
experience and expertise. Sometimes he is right, sometimes he is wrong.
What sets him apart IMO is that when he is wrong he admits it. Others
refuse to admit when they are wrong and they go on bloviating and
digging themselves in deeper. Jack has not promoted garbage like James
Files, Judyth Baker, Dan Marvin, et al. He has analyzed photos and
shared his analysis with those who were interested in it.
Funny you mention Groden. When Groden worked as a photo expert to HSCA
he had no qualifications to do so. His former boss Moses Weitzman once
wrote that he had a junior technician (Groden) who worked for him in the
late 60s and who helped himself to a copy of the Zapruder film (without
permission) and "made a career out of it." Weitzman had been contracted
by Time, Inc to make a 35mm copy of the Z film. Today, there are about 6
different versions of the extant Z film of varying quality. Some have
been subjected to Groden's stabilizing, frame enlargement,
Grodenscoping, etc There does not seem to be a version of the film
which hasn't passed through Groden as a conduit. He even has a version
which have the frames that Life "accidentally" lost restored!
aeffects
sitdown, breath deeply Steve-a-reno... you're going to develope a
severe case of dandruff and we ALL know what that means....
Ya haven't pointed out a thing (other than you're a turd eating
fucking moron of course), well, you're fear of course, which rides
high and dry. Steve-o its best if you recall your drubbing around here
over the years, the last time especially when you fired a rifle for
the first time. Now in that case you immediately became a 3 shot-3 hit
DP assassination expert....
So hon, if ya can't shake a bit of urine of the end of your wee-wittle
tally-whacker (when you're through peeing :)) without getting excited,
how can we depend on your incessent prognostications around here? So
sit quietly, .john will send a bus for you in a bit. We don't want you
to get lost......
Thank You,
Management
aeffects
> David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> "Zapruder's height measured in various photos results in a wide
> > >>> discrepancy of several inches." <<<
>
> > Then--quite obviously--the people doing this kind of "measuring" (on 2-
> > dimensional photos and films) are dead-wrong.
>
> > Rudy, do you think Abe Zapruder was lying to Jay Watson (and the
> > world) on 11/22/63 when he said he was taking a film from the
> > "concrete block down there by the underpass"?
>
> Z stated his name twice to Watson as "Zapruda" -- Watson repeated it:
> "Zapruda." Someone who claimed he knew Abe Zapruder for years went
> on record to say that the guy Watson interviewed on camera "was not the
> Abe Zapruder he knew for years."
>
> Some of the photos showed Sitzman standing in front of Zapruder blocking
> his camera. Was she transparent allowing Zapruder to shoot through her?
>
> Zapruder said he began filming as the limo came into sight on Houston St
> and he never stopped filming until the limo left the plaza. So why isn't
> the turn onto Elm St seen on his film??
>
> In at least one photo, no one is on the Zapruder pedestal yet the
> motorcade is still passing that location. How can that be?
>
> I don't have the answers but suffice to say, there are irregularities
> and inconsistencies in the photographic record. Fetzer, I believe, is
> attempting to address these issues. He is not infallible, but he may be
> asking the right questions.
Rudy, You have enough answers to shut the damn fool VonPein up (not to
mention make him look like the idiot he is).... well done, sir!
aeffects
> On Mar 16, 9:21 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Healy ought to love this idiocy from Jim Fetzer. It's right up Mr.
> > Crackpipe's alley:
>
> >http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=4653f85bbbd4aa7fc691d95...
>
> David,
>
> I don't know of a single scholar in the country that takes Jimmy
> Fetzer serious. Not one.
well asshole I guess its about time someone shook your shit-for-brains
self to reality.... Now hon, Dr. Jim
Fetzer is the only 20+ book author/editor that I know around here that
has a fan following consistenting of: 1-Josiah Thompson, 2- and every
Josiah Thompson fan that is still living (and desperately want
Josiah's autograph), you one of those ball-lickers, hon?
And I don't know of a single scholar that
> has even heard of David Healy. Healy's only claim to fame (and the
> point he always is forced to mention at every lull in the
> conversation) is that he is published. I have read David Healy's
> tripe and I wouldn't be too quick to brag about being published if I
> were him. Making a lot of bad caserole does not make someone a chef.
> I gave up contributing to the Sparticus long ago because it is like
> trying to talk about reality with the patients in a mental ward. That
> group has checked out of reality long ago and have taken up permanent
> residence in the netherworld. It is a waste of time trying to talk to
> Simkin's boys.
your penis envy is noted troll.... if you're looking for a date rumor
has it Lowry does brown, so hold ypour water hon, he'll find ya :)
> Concerning Jimmy Fetzer's latest claim. This is simply evidence that
> the Internet has NOT made the general populace smarter as many
> anticipated twenty years ago. The Internet has made people with a
> solid logical background much more aware of information, but it has
> also made the lunatic fringe much more goofy than they otherwise would
> have been able to become without the Internet.
>
> We are living in an age when people will believe ANYTHING.
>
> Steve Anderson
why should we believe your Steve Anderson and not Steve "you're -a-
hoot" Keating, troll?
aeffects
> On Mar 17, 12:21 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Healy ought to love this idiocy from Jim Fetzer. It's right up Mr.
> > Crackpipe's alley:
>
> >http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=4653f85bbbd4aa7fc691d95...
>
> It must be a real bitch for you, Von Pein, to have been thrown out of
> the Education Forum. Your constant postings citing that forum shows
> that you have a tough time letting go........your pain is so obvious.
appears pathological doesn't it?
aeffects
> On Mar 18, 7:51 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > It must be a real bitch for you, Von Pein, to have been thrown out of
> > the Education Forum. Your constant postings citing that forum shows
> > that you have a tough time letting go........your pain is so obvious.
>
> > Perhaps if you quote yourself, you'll feel better.
>
> Gil,
>
> Are you attacking DVP, defending/endorsing Rudy's views, or a little
> of both.
>
> Do you honestly think a fake/duplicate/rubber/impostor Abe Zapruder
> filmed/fake filmed the assassination?
hon, your idiocy does not change the world of one simple fact: Abe
Zapruder was given a light-touch during the WC investigation... and,
when it comes to his "film," Rudy stuffed Zapruder's testimony it
right down Von Pein's throat.
Sell any reverse mortgages (read: derivitives) these day's, troll?
Does wifey know where you spend your every spare moment. (what the
hell do you owe the .john crowd?)
Chuck Schuyler
> hon, your idiocy does not change the world of one simple fact: Abe
> Zapruder was given a light-touch during the WC investigation... and,
> when it comes to his "film," Rudy stuffed Zapruder's testimony it
> right down Von Pein's throat.
>
> Sell any reverse mortgages (read: derivitives) these day's, troll?
> Does wifey know where you spend your every spare moment. (what the
> hell do you owe the .john crowd?)
Are you answering for Gil?
How 'bout a real response.
Was a fake/impostor/rubber Abe Zapruder up on the famed pergola
filming/fake filming the motorcade on 11/22/63?
Yes or no.
Real simple question.
Take a break from your Big Book AAer, and answer some real questions.
aeffects
> On Mar 18, 12:00 pm, aeffects <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > hon, your idiocy does not change the world of one simple fact: Abe
> > Zapruder was given a light-touch during the WC investigation... and,
> > when it comes to his "film," Rudy stuffed Zapruder's testimony it
> > right down Von Pein's throat.
>
> > Sell any reverse mortgages (read: derivitives) these day's, troll?
> > Does wifey know where you spend your every spare moment. (what the
> > hell do you owe the .john crowd?)
>
> Are you answering for Gil?
>
> How 'bout a real response.
are you a thief and a liar, Schuyler?
> Was a fake/impostor/rubber Abe Zapruder up on the famed pergola
> filming/fake filming the motorcade on 11/22/63?
hon, if ya want to play with the big Lone Nut boys ya gotta get off
message, you're so easily led [ya gotta spider in your mail-group :)
oop's did I say that -- LMFAO!] -- sheeeeesh! We're you the AV guy in
high school Kevin?
> Yes or no.
>
> Real simple question.
>
> Take a break from your Big Book AAer, and answer some real questions.
Chuckles we KNOW who wears the pants in your house, your son does. So
breath deeply, troll. You're not a tough guy, simply ask Gary Mack for
his autograph and be done with it. Surely you can better spend your
time thinking how to fuck over your clients than posting on USENET
boards. Or, are these the only friends you have? ROTFLMFAO.... perhaps
you're losing your clients at a pretty good clip these day's, eh? Sure
would explain all your anger and FEAR.... Nad up son, gird those
tender loins of yours Chuckles, tougher times are a coming.... Perhaps
wifey would is better at this than you, eh?
Steve
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aeffects,
I don't have a clue who you are and you certainly don't have a clue
who I am, pal. From your language I can ascertain your low level of
education and argumentation skills. I am new to THIS forum and I have
never been drubbed in here at all. Clearly you are confusing me with
some other Steve that you've spent time "drubbing" (or rubbing). I am
no newcomer to this topic and you certainly will not raise an issues
I've not addressed before in several different forums under several
different names. You have no idea who I am. So if you can keep your
low vacubulary to a minimum I will be happy to address ANY issue
you've been duped by.
How does DVP put up with the likes of you?
Steve
YoHarvey
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Funny you mention Groden. When Groden worked as a photo expert to
HSCA
he had no qualifications to do so. His former boss Moses Weitzman
once
wrote that he had a junior technician (Groden) who worked for him in
the
late 60s and who helped himself to a copy of the Zapruder film
(without
permission) and "made a career out of it." Weitzman had been
contracted
by Time, Inc to make a 35mm copy of the Z film. Today, there are about
6
different versions of the extant Z film of varying quality. Some
have
been subjected to Groden's stabilizing, frame enlargement,
Grodenscoping, etc There does not seem to be a version of the film
which hasn't passed through Groden as a conduit. He even has a
version
which have the frames that Life "accidentally" lost restored!
The moment one calls Groden an expert, he/she loses all credibility.
Groden, in no way, shape or form was a photo exert for the HSCA. He
was a gopher, plain and simple. At no time did he have any input into
anything related to photographic issues. We won't even discuss his
theft of certain photos from the HSCA investigation.
aeffects
nor do I give a fuck who the hell you are.... if ya don't like it, ya
know where the door is, SKANK...... and who gives a fuck about what
DVP aka Dave Reitzes-pieces thinks or does? ROTFLMFAO!
So here's a question shithead, how do you sleep at night knowing your
government probably lied to you and your too damn terrified to ask a
question?
<snip the fools rant>
aeffects
Finally something we agree upon!
Steve
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I've taught (and failed) about five hundred arrogant little boys just
like you over the years. When you have a real issue to raise rather
than just slurs and profanity I will address them. Judging from your
previous comments and posts, you don't offer a great deal of substance
to the conversations on this site. I can see you will bore me very
quickly.
snl1...@yahoo.com
And the gibberish you have just read, posted by none other than David
Healy, is why this place is known as "the nuthouse" "the outhouse",
"the playpen", etc. Healy is one of the long time patients/residents.
You hit the nail on the head, when you described his lack of
education. Note all the profanity in his speech. You know what they
say about people who frequently use profanity...
aeffects
c'mon puss, do I have to drag it out of you..... tell us how screwed
up the Cter's, howe you're the onl;y ray of sunlight in the Lone Nut
pukster world.... tell us ALL about your miraculous conversion......
spit it out, troll!
aeffects
suck a big one pissant, you don't make a pimple on a gnat's ass
fuckhead! Here's a big 'smooch' for you, shitwad! Now get back to work
polishing .john knob!
You may reach my secretary (for your next appointment) at the usual
place, NEXT!
snl1...@yahoo.com
Looks like I've yanked your chain!
YoHarvey
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If David Healy and Adolph Hitler were both invited to the same party,
guests would say "oh no, not David Healy".
Steve
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I've read more than once that if Hitler, Stalin, and David Healy were
in the same room and they had a gun with only two bullets...they would
shoot Healy twice.
Steve
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Hey Healy, are you still strutting around referring to your pseudo
science contribution to Fetzer's piece of garbage? You were doing
that when I used to check in at the Miseducaiton Forum, Johnny
Simkin's site. I thought you would have changed your tune by now. I
didn't know that aeffects was YOU. I used to always wait whenever a
new contributor joined ranks on Simkin's site who supported the
evidence in this case (Lone Nut position) and I would wait until you
brought it up that you were published (thus giving YOUR posts more
weight than someone that wasn't published. I used to laugh outloud as
soon as you pulled that piss-poor resume notation out of your garter
and waved it in their face. It never failed. For about two days I
found your insults and rants humorous,l then you simply got
predictable and boring. Like you are now for me once again. I
remember in my 10th grade debate course my wise instructor always told
us, "The person with the facts brings out the facts, the person with
the logic brings out the logic, and the person with neither brings out
the insults." Boy oh boy. Did he ever see you coming down the pike.
tomnln
"YoHarvey" <bail...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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At least he was NOT Replaced by a BOA ! ! !
David Von Pein
>>> "Z stated his name twice to Watson as "Zapruda" -- Watson repeated it: "Zapruda." Someone who claimed he knew Abe Zapruder for years went on record to say that the guy Watson interviewed on camera "was not the Abe Zapruder he knew for years." Some of the photos showed Sitzman standing in front of Zapruder blocking his camera. Was she transparent allowing Zapruder to shoot through her? Zapruder said he began filming as the limo came into sight on Houston St and he never stopped filming until the limo left the plaza. So why isn't the turn onto Elm St seen on his film?? In at least one photo, no one is on the Zapruder pedestal yet the motorcade is still passing that location. How can that be? I don't have the answers but suffice to say, there are irregularities and inconsistencies in the photographic record. Fetzer, I believe, is attempting to address these issues. He is not infallible, but he may be asking the right questions. Have you ever stood on Zapruder's pedestal? Zapruder said he suffered vertigo. I don't. But I found standing up there to feel precarious, at best. Add to that, closing one eye and looking through the tiny viewfinder of a camera exactly like Zapruder's. And then being startled by the sound of gunshots. If Z really had vertigo he would've fallen or at least jumped down onto solid ground IMO. So asking questions or raising issues may be reasonable to do -- it's better than simply accepting the prevailing story with blind faith." <<<
None of the above nonsense is worthy of serious discussion.
Bottom Line --- Anyone who believes that Abe Zapruder did not film the
assassination of JFK with his own 8-mm. movie camera on 11/22/63 is in
need of a doctor (or a drug rehab center).
aeffects
> "YoHarvey" <bailey...@gmail.com> wrote in message
hang in there Yo have-no-nuts Harvey, when you get out of priason
you've got to deal with this kind of shit - keep your chin up, troll...
aeffects
Steve-o-reno, we've noticed how ya like to pull your own pud er dick,
pal!. Only problem is that all you Nutters like to talk the same. Talk
about how much ya got, where you learned it, what ya can do with it,
who ya did it to... LMFAO what ya forget dipshit, is we been kicking
Lone Nut ass for 15 years in here.... so no nobody is impressed with
your bullshit *wannabe* credentials, you get your sorry ass back to
Lancer.... take a copy of the 45 questions and the 16 smoking guns,
work through them (thoroughly, misfit) them then get back to us....
(and bring your lunch) till then chump, you're simply more white
noise....
aeffects
where oh WHERE does .john find these fucking amateurs? You should be
polishing .john's knob because I'm talking to you troll. But you
ingrates have no conception as to how you're being used.... and I love
it, hon! ROTFLMFAO
aeffects
gotta gird those tender loins, Davey-me-boyo. Give Norco a shot,
that'll fix ya right up ya pussy!
tims...@gmail.com
> On Mar 17, 8:42 am, "aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com"
>
> <aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Several photos and several different films show Zapruder and his
> > secretary in different positions on the pergola at the same time.
> > Wearing different clothes! Can you explain that?
>
> > Aaron Hirshberg
>
> I'm not an expert on the available techinques used to alter video
> circa 1963, but if the UFO videos circa the 1950's were so easily
> faked by ordinary citizens, one can only imagine what was possible in
> the hands of professionals prior to the extant film's appearance ala
> Groden in 1975.
>
> I do know that the extant film does NOT represent the President's head
> wound as described by the witnesses in Dealey, at Parkland and at
> Bethesda and either ALL of the witnesses who saw a large exit wound at
> the back of the skull were wrong, or the film was altered some time
> while it was "locked away" in the vault at Life magazine.
>
> I guess it depends on what one chooses to believe.
Yeah, but if it was altered, Gilly Troll, as you plainly imply,
wouldn't *they* have made the Connally's guilt more obvious, to steer
suspicion away from your Marxist mate, Lee Harvey Oswald?
Why DID Connally shoot JFK, Gilly Troll? In YOUR opinion? It's your
theory after all, me ol' spittle faced You Tube video pirate. Tell us
all about it.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
aeffects
> On Mar 17, 11:53 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 17, 8:42 am, "aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com"
>
> > <aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Several photos and several different films show Zapruder and his
> > > secretary in different positions on the pergola at the same time.
> > > Wearing different clothes! Can you explain that?
>
> > > Aaron Hirshberg
>
> > I'm not an expert on the available techinques used to alter video
> > circa 1963, but if the UFO videos circa the 1950's were so easily
> > faked by ordinary citizens, one can only imagine what was possible in
> > the hands of professionals prior to the extant film's appearance ala
> > Groden in 1975.
>
> > I do know that the extant film does NOT represent the President's head
> > wound as described by the witnesses in Dealey, at Parkland and at
> > Bethesda and either ALL of the witnesses who saw a large exit wound at
> > the back of the skull were wrong, or the film was altered some time
> > while it was "locked away" in the vault at Life magazine.
>
> > I guess it depends on what one chooses to believe.
>
> Yeah, but if it was altered, Gilly Troll, as you plainly imply,
> wouldn't *they* have made the Connally's guilt more obvious, to steer
> suspicion away from your Marxist mate, Lee Harvey Oswald?
evidently you're achieved full troll status Father Timmy SJ., no one
seems to give a shit about your posts. Perhaps Slam'in Samantha Brown
can take care of you, eh?
YoHarvey
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Without a doubt, Healy continues to prove the best part of him is
still running down the leg of a union leader in Boston lol
Steve
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Being kind of new to THIS forum, does Healey ever contribute ANYTHING
of substance or does he just sit back and try to insult people. I
have read about twenty of his previous posts and I haven't found
anything of substance at all. He never addresses the issues, never
brings up any evidence for discussion, and never directly answers
questions. Does he ONLY hurl insults in lieu or sharing his alleged
knowledge. I certainly cannot be the only one bored with him.
aeffects
ya fucking two-faced liar Steve-a-reno..... ROTFLMFAO
<snip the troll nonsense>
aeffects
get ole Steve-a-reno on his knees shithead, prove your worth something
around here, other than *stolen valor*.... gett'em polishing
knobs..... ROTFLMFAO!
justm...@gmail.com
Healy is only good for a laugh Steve. He's known around here as the
"junkie", "lapdog" and a few other names. He contributes nothing, and
the so called insults he tries to hurl are so incoherent no one has a
clue what he's talking about. He lies continually about people and
when asked for proof he changes the subject and lies some more. He
actually is so delusional, he thinks the street trash jive he spews
really bothers us. (A big LOL there).
Other than to humiliate him (he does a fine job of that himself) and
laugh at him he serves no purpose here to any LN. His only purpose is
to agree with what his butt buddy stooges say, believe everything they
tell him no matter how wrong it is and bark for them when they need
someone to protect their idiocy. In steps the junkie Healy. If you
ignore him, he'll continue to post more and more incoherent bs trying
to get your attention to a point of talking to himself which you can
see in any thread you read. Ignored or humiliated, he's like a fly on
shit and will never leave, so just walk all over him like the rest of
us do. BTW, you can tell when you've really pissed him off by how
vulgar his post is, and we all love pissing the pathetic little man
off.
aeffects
wrote:
stinky-poo is back, again.... LMFAO -- line after line after line and
still the nazi sympathizer says nothing...
Bathe troll, soap is your friend -- ta
snl1...@yahoo.com
But, she yanked your chain.
snl1...@yahoo.com
And he yanked your chain.
aeffects
THIS is **THE** best the Nutter's and the TROLLS have? ROTFLMFAO!
aeffects
Sure it did..... LMFAO -- THIS is **THE** best the Nutter's and the
TROLLS have? ROTFLMFAO!
aeffects
my shift is coming to an end, SKANKROID.... so, on your KNEES, troll!!
snl1...@yahoo.com
And I just yanked your chain--3 whole times!!!!!!
Sam Brown
"aeffects" <aeffe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yap Yap poodle. Hilarious!
aeffects
> "aeffects" <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote in message
hey Spanky, nice to see ya here, although we smelled you well in
advance of your entrance... say hi to Mom and we're still waiting for
your brother in Hollyweird to drop by -- ya fucking troll! LMFAO!
Sam Brown
Yap Yap poodle.
aeffects
yank the muncher's C-H-A-I-N.... ROTFLMFAO ya need a gig, Spanky! Time
to polish knobs, it got you through college.....
justm...@gmail.com
LMAO he's answering himself again....not he even called himself names,
my either the drugs are wearing off or he's in need of another hit.
His shift if almost up? Wonder how many toilets he got cleaned today.
Sam Brown
Nah, rich Dad paid cash. Did you go to college junkie? Yap Yap poodle.
tims...@gmail.com
Hey look! Old Healy really IS talking to himself, just like JustMe
said! He just responded to his own post and called himself a
SKANKROID!
Looks like it's all closing in on ol' Mr David *aeffects* Healy.
Alarmed Regards,
aeffects
hon, the ONLY think you yank is your *pud,* or Fr. Timmy's -- have a
nice day
aeffects
I'd be alarmed too if I had to explain my actions to the bishop....
closing in, looks like you been outted Studley...
snl1...@yahoo.com
Yanked your chain, again!
snl1...@yahoo.com
tims...@gmail.com
Yank that aeffects JFK-CT deadbeat's CHAIN, LOL!
justm...@gmail.com
LMAO Tim...Healy likes to make people think that he's yanking our
chain, do you notice how the minute anyone types anything about him
he's here barking? LOLOL Next time you yank it, pull the damn thing
right off lol
aeffects
wrote:
Skankroid, your huibby JCorbett been sticking his nose in the shit
these day's, AGAIN..... can't you teach him to respectfully eat at the
"Y" I've told you a thousand times if I said it once., ya stink of
tuna, troll!
justm...@gmail.com
Sit down you delusional idiot. Isn't it time for you to pick thru the
dumpsters for another dirty needle so you can get your next fix? What
you're smelling is your daughter on her way home....she must be within
a mile of your roach infested dump you live in...Ole Frankie boy was a
smart man to dump that hookers ass.
Did he pay you to have sex with her or was the incest your idea?
Junkieeeeeeeee ROFLMAO