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report2009

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Mar 20, 2010, 7:56:44 AM3/20/10
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大麥克指數:人民幣值低估49%
2010-03-20 中國時報 【林上祚/台北報導】
 半年公布一次的經濟學人大麥克指數出爐,儘管中國大陸今年以來通膨現象已蠢蠢欲動,大陸麥香堡一個只賣1.83美元,比美國境內一個3.58
美元足足少49%,如以購買力平價理論推論,人民幣幣值低估幅度49%,台幣幣值則低估34%。

 經濟學人旗下研究機構EIU,每半年針對全球麥香堡價格進行比較,推估出各國貨幣高估/低估程度,和去年七月相比,大陸麥香堡雖比三年前增加
0.4美元,但隱含幣值低估幅度,仍高達49%。

 其他亞洲國家麥香堡,比起美國也明顯便宜許多,印尼、泰國與馬來西亞三國,麥香堡價格比起美國便宜35-40%,去年幣值大幅升值的韓國,麥
香堡價格與美國已大幅拉進,其他新興市場國家幣值也明顯低估,俄羅斯盧布、墨西哥披索與南非蘭德,低估幅度都有二成到三成不等。 麥香堡價格 美國遠高
於亞洲國家

 根據EIU數據,韓元幣值隱含低估幅度僅16%;目前匯率已來到一美元兌90日圓的日本,麥香堡價格已與美國相當,顯示日圓未來幣值轉強空間
有限。

 相對之下,歐元區歷經南歐債信危機,幣值居高不下,歐元區麥香堡一個4.62美元,比美國高出近三成,其他歐洲國家麥香堡價格更是驚人,挪威
麥香堡價格足足比美國貴九成,瑞士也比美國貴七成。

 歐洲金融重鎮英國,今年因國會大選結果,可能出現最大政黨席次未過半狀況,英鎊相對主要貨幣大幅貶值,英國麥香堡價格,目前只有3.48美
元,英鎊幣值反而低估2.79%。

 歐美盼人民幣升值 預估幅度不大

 由於歐美國家才剛走出金融風暴陰影,為刺激出口,歐美國家紛紛把矛頭指向中國大陸,前年諾貝爾經濟學獎得主克魯曼,已多次透過專欄指控中國壓
低幣值做法,延緩全球經濟復甦步調。

 花旗銀行表示,大陸總理溫家寶日前強調,人民幣沒有低估,他主張歐美國家應該解除對中國大陸的高科技產品出口禁令,一般相信,美國愈是逼迫人
民幣升值,大陸當局愈是抗拒,花旗預估,人民幣今年升值幅度頂多2-3%。

rst0wxyz

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Mar 20, 2010, 8:15:17 AM3/20/10
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More cut & paste from the shameless evil psycho sleazy slimy filthy
ugly abum_chump/report2009/abianchen slut cunt chattering monkey. We
all know you can not read/write/speak Chinese. You are a pathological
liar and a filthy sleazy slime.

rst0wxyz

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Mar 20, 2010, 8:16:02 AM3/20/10
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On Mar 20, 4:56 am, report2009 <repost2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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bak yim sing

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report2009 wrote:

> 大麥克指數:人民幣值低估49%
> 2010-03-20 中國時報 【林上祚/台北報導】
>
>  半年公布一次的經濟學人大麥克指數出爐,儘管中國大陸今年以來通膨現象已蠢蠢欲動,大陸麥香堡一個只賣1.83美元,比美國境內一個3.58美元足足少49%,如以購買力平價理論推論,人民幣幣值低估幅度49%,台幣幣值則低估34%。

這個根本不能以大麥包的售價作比。

美國如果要買地建造一家麥當奴﹐就算最便宜的中西部城市﹐
建造價都超過百萬美元。大城市的建造費更貴。大陸一定不
需要如此昂貴來建造一家麥當奴。另外是人功問題。今日
美國麥當奴平均工錢是八美元一小時﹐大陸頂多是三﹐四元
人民幣一小時﹐就是美元五毛錢到六毛錢﹐比美國人工低
十二倍。這樣比起來﹐大陸的麥當奴比美國的還賺錢。


>
>
>  經濟學人旗下研究機構EIU,每半年針對全球麥香堡價格進行比較,推估出各國貨幣高估/低估程度,和去年七月相比,大陸麥香堡雖比三年前增加
> 0.4美元,但隱含幣值低估幅度,仍高達49%。
>
>  其他亞洲國家麥香堡,比起美國也明顯便宜許多,印尼、泰國與馬來西亞三國,麥香堡價格比起美國便宜35-40%,去年幣值大幅升值的韓國,麥
> 香堡價格與美國已大幅拉進,其他新興市場國家幣值也明顯低估,俄羅斯盧布、墨西哥披索與南非蘭德,低估幅度都有二成到三成不等。 麥香堡價格 美國遠高
> 於亞洲國家
>
>  根據EIU數據,韓元幣值隱含低估幅度僅16%;目前匯率已來到一美元兌90日圓的日本,麥香堡價格已與美國相當,顯示日圓未來幣值轉強空間
> 有限。
>
>  相對之下,歐元區歷經南歐債信危機,幣值居高不下,歐元區麥香堡一個4.62美元,比美國高出近三成,其他歐洲國家麥香堡價格更是驚人,挪威
> 麥香堡價格足足比美國貴九成,瑞士也比美國貴七成。
>
>  歐洲金融重鎮英國,今年因國會大選結果,可能出現最大政黨席次未過半狀況,英鎊相對主要貨幣大幅貶值,英國麥香堡價格,目前只有3.48美
> 元,英鎊幣值反而低估2.79%。
>
>  歐美盼人民幣升值 預估幅度不大
>
>  由於歐美國家才剛走出金融風暴陰影,為刺激出口,歐美國家紛紛把矛頭指向中國大陸,前年諾貝爾經濟學獎得主克魯曼,已多次透過專欄指控中國壓
> 低幣值做法,延緩全球經濟復甦步調。
>
>  花旗銀行表示,大陸總理溫家寶日前強調,人民幣沒有低估,他主張歐美國家應該解除對中國大陸的高科技產品出口禁令,一般相信,美國愈是逼迫人
> 民幣升值,大陸當局愈是抗拒,花旗預估,人民幣今年升值幅度頂多2-3%。


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Anti-DabianchenVirus

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Mar 20, 2010, 9:04:15 AM3/20/10
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Good point - let's see how much of this will the original poster of
the thread be able to answer you in Chinese. After all she did post it
in Chinese, and has for years bragged that she can "speak, read/write
PERFECT Chinese".


On Mar 20, 5:56 am, bak yim sing <b...@bys.com> wrote:
> report2009 wrote:
> > 大麥克指數:人民幣值低估49%
> > 2010-03-20 中國時報 【林上祚/台北報導】
>

> >  半年公布一次的經濟學人大麥克指數出爐,儘管中國大陸今年以來通膨現象已蠢蠢欲動,大陸麥香堡一個只賣1.83美元,比美國境內一個3.58美元足足少49%,-如以購買力平價理論推論,人民幣幣值低估幅度49%,台幣幣值則低估34%。


>
> 這個根本不能以大麥包的售價作比。
>
> 美國如果要買地建造一家麥當奴﹐就算最便宜的中西部城市﹐
> 建造價都超過百萬美元。大城市的建造費更貴。大陸一定不
> 需要如此昂貴來建造一家麥當奴。另外是人功問題。今日
> 美國麥當奴平均工錢是八美元一小時﹐大陸頂多是三﹐四元
> 人民幣一小時﹐就是美元五毛錢到六毛錢﹐比美國人工低
> 十二倍。這樣比起來﹐大陸的麥當奴比美國的還賺錢。
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >  經濟學人旗下研究機構EIU,每半年針對全球麥香堡價格進行比較,推估出各國貨幣高估/低估程度,和去年七月相比,大陸麥香堡雖比三年前增加
> > 0.4美元,但隱含幣值低估幅度,仍高達49%。
>
> >  其他亞洲國家麥香堡,比起美國也明顯便宜許多,印尼、泰國與馬來西亞三國,麥香堡價格比起美國便宜35-40%,去年幣值大幅升值的韓國,麥
> > 香堡價格與美國已大幅拉進,其他新興市場國家幣值也明顯低估,俄羅斯盧布、墨西哥披索與南非蘭德,低估幅度都有二成到三成不等。 麥香堡價格 美國遠高
> > 於亞洲國家
>
> >  根據EIU數據,韓元幣值隱含低估幅度僅16%;目前匯率已來到一美元兌90日圓的日本,麥香堡價格已與美國相當,顯示日圓未來幣值轉強空間
> > 有限。
>
> >  相對之下,歐元區歷經南歐債信危機,幣值居高不下,歐元區麥香堡一個4.62美元,比美國高出近三成,其他歐洲國家麥香堡價格更是驚人,挪威
> > 麥香堡價格足足比美國貴九成,瑞士也比美國貴七成。
>
> >  歐洲金融重鎮英國,今年因國會大選結果,可能出現最大政黨席次未過半狀況,英鎊相對主要貨幣大幅貶值,英國麥香堡價格,目前只有3.48美
> > 元,英鎊幣值反而低估2.79%。
>
> >  歐美盼人民幣升值 預估幅度不大
>
> >  由於歐美國家才剛走出金融風暴陰影,為刺激出口,歐美國家紛紛把矛頭指向中國大陸,前年諾貝爾經濟學獎得主克魯曼,已多次透過專欄指控中國壓
> > 低幣值做法,延緩全球經濟復甦步調。
>
> >  花旗銀行表示,大陸總理溫家寶日前強調,人民幣沒有低估,他主張歐美國家應該解除對中國大陸的高科技產品出口禁令,一般相信,美國愈是逼迫人
> > 民幣升值,大陸當局愈是抗拒,花旗預估,人民幣今年升值幅度頂多2-3%。
>

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report2009

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Mar 20, 2010, 9:12:47 AM3/20/10
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Ha, for BYS, I have replied to his posts in Chinese before so no need
to prove, he knows I speak/read/write perfect Chinese, Also, BYS has
said many times he knows I came from Taiwan, i.e., he knows you are a
liar too, Haha!


On Mar 20, 9:00 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:


> Good point - let's see how much of this will the original poster of
> the thread be able to answer you in Chinese. After all she did post it

> in Chinese.


>
> On Mar 20, 5:56 am, bak yim sing <b...@bys.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > report2009 wrote:

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ltlee1

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Anti-DabianchenVirus

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Mar 20, 2010, 10:55:47 AM3/20/10
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Ha-ha! This is the response by one who for years continuously claims
that she can "speak, read/write PERFECT Chinese" to someone who posted
in Chinese. Not one SINGLE word was written in Chinese. What's the
matter, Puta? Lost your translation software up your loose twat -
again?

*If* you had "replied to his posts in Chinese before", then it would
be absolutely no problem to repeat it at all, specially since you are
such a repetitious robot poster. *If* BYS "knows" that you can "speak/
read/write perfect Chinese", he would then expect you to respond to
him in Chinese, not in your pidgin English. Does he really know that
you "came from Taiwan", or have you just been pulling the wool over
his eyes about this particular fact?

Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 can't read/write Chinese other
than cutting-and-pasting from the internet:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/2820117f3da3ac55?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/83029bb548080af5?hl=en

"he knows you are a liar too" - is that another confession, Meichi? Ha-
ha!

Tak To

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Mar 20, 2010, 2:30:00 PM3/20/10
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bak yim sing wrote:
>
> report2009 wrote:
>
>> 大麥克指數:人民幣值低估49%
>> 2010-03-20 中國時報 【林上祚/台北報導】
>>
>>  半年公布一次的經濟學人大麥克指數出爐,儘管中國大陸今年以來通
>> 膨現象已蠢蠢欲動,大陸麥香堡一個只賣1.83美元,比美國境內一個
>> 3.58美元足足少49%,如以購買力平價理論推論,人民幣幣值低估幅度
>> 49%,台幣幣值則低估34%。
>
> 這個根本不能以大麥包的售價作比。
>
> 美國如果要買地建造一家麥當奴﹐就算最便宜的中西部城市﹐
> 建造價都超過百萬美元。大城市的建造費更貴。大陸一定不
> 需要如此昂貴來建造一家麥當奴。另外是人功問題。今日
> 美國麥當奴平均工錢是八美元一小時﹐大陸頂多是三﹐四元
> 人民幣一小時﹐就是美元五毛錢到六毛錢﹐比美國人工低
> 十二倍。這樣比起來﹐大陸的麥當奴比美國的還賺錢。

首先我就不明白為何談【匯率】時要考慮購買力,現在又不是比較【生產
力】。

其次,正如星君所言,為甚麼要比較大麥克呢?麥當奴在中國是高收入階
層的消費品,在如美國是中下階層的消費品,不能比較。

不過,中國的麥當奴要在大城市的通衢大道才會有錢賺,那兒的租金肯定
不便宜。

Tak
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Anti-DabianchenVirus

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Mar 20, 2010, 5:33:04 PM3/20/10
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Well, maybe you're the lucky one to receive a reply in Chinese from
the original poster who has been claiming to be able to "speak, read/
write PERFECT Chinese".

> [taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr- Hide quoted text -

rst0wxyz

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Mar 20, 2010, 11:53:19 PM3/20/10
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Ha-ha! This is the response by one who for years continuously claims
that she can "speak, read/write PERFECT Chinese" to someone who
posted
in Chinese. Not one SINGLE word was written in Chinese. What's the
matter, psycho evil sleazy slimy filthy ugly abum_chump/report2009/
abianchen slut cunt chattering monkey Puta? Lost your translation

software up your loose twat -
again?
*If* you had "replied to his posts in Chinese before", then it would
be absolutely no problem to repeat it at all, specially since you are
such a repetitious robot poster. *If* BYS "knows" that you can
"speak/
read/write perfect Chinese", he would then expect you to respond to
him in Chinese, not in your pidgin English. Does he really know that
you "came from Taiwan", or have you just been pulling the wool over
his eyes about this particular fact?
Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 can't read/write Chinese other
than cutting-and-pasting from the internet:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/2820117f3da3ac55...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/83029bb548080af5...

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No, LT Lee, I have never been to Taiwan, and I don't care to set foot
on Taiwan. In the early 1970s, I had a Taiwanese girlfriend who had
plans for me to go to Taiwan with her to meet her parents. I dumped
her instead.

rst0wxyz

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On Mar 20, 2:33 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, maybe you're the lucky one to receive a reply in Chinese from
> the original poster who has been claiming to be able to "speak, read/
> write PERFECT Chinese".

If she claims she can speak/read/write Chinese, her website was all
written in Tagalog, and a few words in Thai, and not a word in
Chinese.

report2009

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Ha, Psycho Xangdi, no Meichi, no "she", no abianchen is Filipino
whore, no stolen Filipino girl's photos in your post? Looks like you
have learned a little lesson, so you refrained yourself not to make a
fool of yourself because you know Tak To will not believe your lies
either. Haha!

As for replying in Chinese, yes, I have replied to Tak To's posts in
Chinese before so no need to prove. But if you want to prove you are a
liar, then tell him "abianchen is Filipino whore" with stolen Filipino
girl's photos. Let's see if you are still that stupid. I bet you dare
not to tell him. Remember tell him not tell me, hehe!


On Mar 20, 5:33 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
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rst0wxyz

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More cut & paste from the psycho evil sleazy slimy filthy ugly
abum_chump/report2009/abianchen slut cunt chattering monkey. She's a
pathological liar and a sleazy slime lying about herself, lying about
coming from the Taiwan. She's a dark sinned Filipino whore from
Manila, Philippines.

report2009

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Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater), don't tell me those lies, it's no
use. Tell BYS, Tak To etc those lies, but you dare not, right? You got
scolded several times, you must have felt bad, no one has believed
your lies except getting scolded. Haha!


On Mar 21, 8:15 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> For over a decade shit face has Meichi/Dabianchen/report2009, the ugly
> Philippino lesbian, continuously claimed that she can "speak, read/
> write perfect Chinese", but she showed again and again that she could
> not even write simple Chinese phrases without having to cut-and-paste
> them from the internet. She couldn't even write "Well, I don't
> believe or "resurrection", "heaven", "hell"... I believe we can only
> live once there is no such thing "next life" in Chinese. This proves
> that she cannot "read/write perfect Chinese" as she claimed and that
> everything she writes is a lie. She has continuously proven that she
> is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
> ROTFL!
>
> Hey, shit face Meichi/report2009/Dabianchen, tell us why you hate your
> own Philippino people so much, that you renounced your own ethnic
> group and your gender to become "a guy from Taiwan"? Must be because
> of your FAILED sex-change operation that made you look like this,
> huh:http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/? Did you get
> your plastic surgeon from Google as well?
>
> Bwahahahahaha!!

rst0wxyz

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report2009

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More accurate...

rst0wxyz from mental hospital.

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report2009

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Ha, Psycho Xangdi, no Meichi, no "she", no abianchen is Filipino
whore, no stolen Filipino girl's photos in your post? Looks like you
have learned a little lesson, so you refrained yourself not to make a
fool of yourself because you know Tak To will not believe your lies
either. Haha!

As for replying in Chinese, yes, I have replied to Tak To's posts in
Chinese before so no need to prove. But if you want to prove you are
a
liar, then tell him "abianchen is Filipino whore" with stolen
Filipino
girl's photos. Let's see if you are still that stupid. I bet you dare
not to tell him. Remember tell him not tell me, hehe!

On Mar 20, 5:33 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
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report2009

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Ha, Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater), no "Meichi", no "she", no
"abianchen is Filipino whore" etc lies, no stolen Filipino girl's
photos in your post? Looks like you have learned a little bit lesson,

so you refrained yourself not to make a fool of yourself because you
know Tak To will not believe your lies either. Haha!

As for replying in Chinese, yes, I have replied to Tak To's posts in
Chinese before so no need to prove. But if you want to prove you are a
liar, then tell him "abianchen is Filipino whore" with stolen Filipino
girl's photos. Let's see if you are still that stupid. I bet you dare
not to tell him. Remember tell him not tell me, hehe!

On Mar 20, 5:33 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
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report2009

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Ha, Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater), no "Meichi", no "she", no
"abianchen is Filipino whore" etc lies, no stolen Filipino girl's
photos in your post? Looks like you have learned a little bit lesson,
so you refrained yourself not to make a fool of yourself because you
know Tak To will not believe your lies either. Haha!

As for replying in Chinese, yes, I have replied to Tak To's posts in
Chinese before so no need to prove. But if you want to prove you are a
liar, then tell him "abianchen is Filipino whore" with stolen Filipino
girl's photos. Let's see if you are still that stupid. I bet you dare
not to tell him. Remember tell him not tell me, hehe!


On Mar 20, 5:33 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
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report2009

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Ha, Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater), no "Meichi", no "she", no
"abianchen is Filipino whore" etc lies, no stolen Filipino girl's
photos in your post? Looks like you have learned a little bit lesson,
so you refrained yourself not to make a fool of yourself because you
know Tak To will not believe your lies either. Haha!

As for replying in Chinese, yes, I have replied to Tak To's posts in
Chinese before so no need to prove. But if you want to prove you are
a
liar, then tell him "abianchen is Filipino whore" with stolen
Filipino
girl's photos. Let's see if you are still that stupid. I bet you dare
not to tell him. Remember tell him not tell me, hehe!


On Mar 20, 5:33 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
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report2009

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Ha, Psycho Xangdi (now Dabian eater), no "Meichi", no "she", no
"abianchen is Filipino whore" etc lies, no stolen Filipino girl's
photos in your post? Looks like you have learned a little bit lesson,
so you refrained yourself not to make a fool of yourself because you
know Tak To will not believe your lies either. Haha!

As for replying in Chinese, yes, I have replied to Tak To's posts in
Chinese before so no need to prove. But if you want to prove you are a
liar, then tell him "abianchen is Filipino whore" with stolen Filipino
girl's photos. Let's see if you are still that stupid. I bet you dare
not to tell him. Remember tell him not tell me, hehe!

On Mar 20, 5:33 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
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Siansiansian

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I don't understand why this idiot can be awarded with Nobel Economic
Prize. His crazy argument just simply do not look at the basic average
income of the locals and the average affordable purchasing power of
the local people. He don't even understabd this simplest basic econmic
Supply and Demaond pricing balance.
Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Mar 20, 7:56 pm, report2009 <repost2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 大麥克指數:人民幣值低估49%
> 2010-03-20 中國時報 【林上祚/台北報導】
>  半年公布一次的經濟學人大麥克指數出爐,儘管中國大陸今年以來通膨現象已蠢蠢欲動,大陸麥香堡一個只賣1.83美元,比美國境內一個3.58
> 美元足足少49%,如以購買力平價理論推論,人民幣幣值低估幅度49%,台幣幣值則低估34%。
>

report2009

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經濟學人 -> "The Economist" magazine.

大麥克 -> Big Mac at McDonnald's

I know they can be confusing. :-)

> > 民幣升值,大陸當局愈是抗拒,花旗預估,人民幣今年升值幅度頂多2-3%。- Hide quoted text -

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於 21/3/2010 2:30, Tak To 提到:

> bak yim sing wrote:
>>
>> report2009 wrote:
>>
>>> 大麥克指數:人民幣值低估49%
>>> 2010-03-20 中國時報 【林上祚/台北報導】
>>>
>>>  半年公布一次的經濟學人大麥克指數出爐,儘管中國大陸今年以來通
>>> 膨現象已蠢蠢欲動,大陸麥香堡一個只賣1.83美元,比美國境內一個
>>> 3.58美元足足少49%,如以購買力平價理論推論,人民幣幣值低估幅度
>>> 49%,台幣幣值則低估34%。
>>
>> 這個根本不能以大麥包的售價作比。
>>
>> 美國如果要買地建造一家麥當奴﹐就算最便宜的中西部城市﹐
>> 建造價都超過百萬美元。大城市的建造費更貴。大陸一定不
>> 需要如此昂貴來建造一家麥當奴。另外是人功問題。今日
>> 美國麥當奴平均工錢是八美元一小時﹐大陸頂多是三﹐四元
>> 人民幣一小時﹐就是美元五毛錢到六毛錢﹐比美國人工低
>> 十二倍。這樣比起來﹐大陸的麥當奴比美國的還賺錢。
>
> 首先我就不明白為何談【匯率】時要考慮購買力,現在又不是比較【生產
> 力】。

「巨無霸指數」背後是以「購買力平價」理論為基礎:
http://wiki.mbalib.com/zh-tw/%E8%B4%AD%E4%B9%B0%E5%8A%9B%E5%B9%B3%E4%BB%B7

  購買力平價理論是關於匯率決定的一種理論。最初由英國經濟學家桑頓在1802
年提出,其後成為李嘉圖的古典經濟理論的一個組成部分,最後由瑞典經濟學家
K.G.卡瑟爾(1866~1945)加以發展和充實 ,併在其1922年出版的《 1914 年以後
的貨幣與外匯》一書中作了詳細論述。這一理論的要點是:人們所以願意買進外
幣,是由於這種貨幣在該國對商品和勞務擁有購買力。而本國貨幣則對本國的商品
和勞務具有購買力。因此,兩國貨幣的匯率取決於兩種貨幣在這兩國的購買力之
比。當兩種貨幣都發生通貨膨脹時,名義匯率將等於原先的匯率乘以兩國通貨膨脹
率之商。雖然可能出現背離這個新的名義匯率的情況,但匯率的變動趨勢始終是兩
國貨幣購買力之比。因此,必須把用上述方式計算出來的匯率,看作是兩種貨幣之
間新的平價。這一平價即購買力平價。這一理論看到了紙幣的購買力同紙幣所代表
的價值之間存在著一定聯繫,併進而認為通貨膨脹的變化影響了匯率的變化。但其
理論基礎是貨幣數量論,忽視了物價和匯率之間可相互影響、互為因果的關係。

------------

不過此理論背後是假設國際間資本流動很自由,交易費用很低,諸如此類。
有經濟學者做過實證研究,發現現實匯率變動,與ppp理論預測的相距甚遠。
金融危機發生後,奧巴馬政府「印銀紙」救市。很多人預測會造成惡性通脹,通脹
又引致美元貶值,亦是基於這個理論。

其實要「證明」人民幣值被「低估」,亦不必如此間接,單以中國貿易順差,就可
說人民幣匯價「太低」。
按:由於貨幣供應量係由各國政府操縱,我覺得說什麼太高太低,有無操控之類,
意義不大。倒不如直接討論人民幣升值是好還是壞。
又或者可更簡單一點,有貿易順差就應升值,有逆差就應貶值。不過對一些發展中
國家而言,確有必要保持一些外匯儲備,所以最好有些順差,因此最好對他們網開
一面。

>
> 其次,正如星君所言,為甚麼要比較大麥克呢?麥當奴在中國是高收入階
> 層的消費品,在如美國是中下階層的消費品,不能比較。
>
> 不過,中國的麥當奴要在大城市的通衢大道才會有錢賺,那兒的租金肯定
> 不便宜。
>
> Tak
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> --------------------------------------------------------------------^^
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Anti-DabianchenVirus

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Ha-ha! This is the response by one who for years continuously claims
that she can "speak, read/write PERFECT Chinese" to someone who posted
in Chinese. Not one SINGLE word was written in Chinese. What's the
matter, Puta? Lost your translation software up your loose twat -
again?

*If* you had "replied to his posts in Chinese before", then it would
be absolutely no problem to repeat it at all, specially since you are
such a repetitious robot poster. *If* BYS "knows" that you can "speak/
read/write perfect Chinese", he would then expect you to respond to
him in Chinese, not in your pidgin English. Does he really know that
you "came from Taiwan", or have you just been pulling the wool over
his eyes about this particular fact?

Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 can't read/write Chinese other
than cutting-and-pasting from the internet:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/2820117f3da3ac55?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/83029bb548080af5?hl=en

"he knows you are a liar too" - is that another confession, Meichi? Ha-
ha!


Don't forget ITLee, in this post:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/d96512240b72e019?hl=en

ou accused her of "You are reasoning like a 5 years old"!


Well, maybe you're the lucky one to receive a reply in Chinese from
the original poster who has been claiming to be able to "speak, read/
write PERFECT Chinese".


On Mar 20, 6:12 am, report2009 <repost2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ha, for BYS, I have replied to his posts in Chinese before so no need
> to prove, he knows I speak/read/write perfect Chinese, Also, BYS has
> said many times he knows I came from Taiwan, i.e., he knows you are a
> liar too, Haha!
>
> On Mar 20, 9:00 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Good point - let's see how much of this will the original poster of
> > the thread be able to answer you in Chinese. After all she did post it
> > in Chinese.
>
> > On Mar 20, 5:56 am, bak yim sing <b...@bys.com> wrote:
>
> > > report2009 wrote:
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Tak To

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Anti-DabianchenVirus wrote:
> Well, maybe you're the lucky one to receive a reply in Chinese from
> the original poster who has been claiming to be able to "speak, read/
> write PERFECT Chinese".

Well, the person who responded to my messages did seem to know
some Chinese.

While I prefer everyone to use their real names in Usenet,
I don't think the true identity of each netter matters that
much. It is really the content of the messages that count.

We have heard your story about the true identity of said netter.
Well, thank you for alerting us to the possibility of fraud.
I think most of us (here at hk.politics) have read your message
at least once, and I am quite sure most of us prefer you NOT
positing the same thing over and over again.

You are of course well come to post messages on other topics.

Thank you for your consideration.

Regards,

Anti-DabianchenVirus

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For over a decade shit face has Meichi/Dabianchen/report2009, the ugly
Philippino lesbian, continuously claimed that she can "speak, read/
write perfect Chinese", but she showed again and again that she could
not even write simple Chinese phrases without having to cut-and-paste
them from the internet. She couldn't even write "Well, I don't
believe or "resurrection", "heaven", "hell"... I believe we can only
live once there is no such thing "next life" in Chinese. This proves
that she cannot "read/write perfect Chinese" as she claimed and that
everything she writes is a lie. She has continuously proven that she
is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
ROTFL!

Hey, shit face Meichi/report2009/Dabianchen, tell us why you hate your
own Philippino people so much, that you renounced your own ethnic
group and your gender to become "a guy from Taiwan"? Must be because
of your FAILED sex-change operation that made you look like this,
huh:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/3415206204/ ? Did you get


your plastic surgeon from Google as well?

Bwahahahahaha!!

On Mar 20, 4:56 am, report2009 <repost2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 大麥克指數:人民幣值低估49%
> 2010-03-20 中國時報 【林上祚/台北報導】

report2009

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那個人為了報復, 騷擾我己二年了, 還弄些偷來的菲女照片說是我, 他不懂中文, 只能用線上翻譯, .還造謠說我不會中文, 挺無聊的.

report2009

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Hmmm... removed your reply from soc.culture.china? What did that
mean? :-)

On Mar 22, 6:26 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Message noted, but not complied, simply because this "abianchen" has
> made it a personal issue to insult me from the first day I posted in
> SCC. That you refuse to ignore my warnings is entirely your business,
> and what you believe or not believe is your personal choice. I do not
> post in hk.politics, but I make this an exception: that my post get
> cross-posted there is entirely the results of "abianchen's" doing. I
> suggest that you simply killfile me, if you don't wish to see my
> repetitive exposure of this troll, because I shall endeavor to
> continue doing so as long as she trolls SCC.
>
> I must say that I am surprised to read that an intelligent poster such
> as you could not see through the maquerade that this "abianchen" has
> been ploying for over a decade, but perhaps you don't care. Have you
> examined our findings? Or don't you care about that either?


>
> Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 can't read/write Chinese other
> than cutting-and-pasting from the internet:

>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/2820117f3da3ac55...
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/83029bb548080af5...
>
> Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is a pathological liar:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/ee41fc07a8921a88...
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fdeab5e65d151e9c...
>
>  Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 makes persitent childish and
> girlish claims:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876...
>
> Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is childish and repetitive:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d...
>
> Sincere regards,
> Wusong.

> >  [taode takto ~{LU5B~}]      NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr- Hide quoted text -

rst9

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This shameless pathological liar continues her lies by posting more
cut & paste article from the internet. We know you can not read/
write/
speak Chinese, psycho evil sleazy slimy filthy ugly abum_chump/

rst9

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rst9

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rst9

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On Mar 22, 2:50 pm, Tak To <ta...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> Anti-DabianchenVirus wrote:
> > Well, maybe you're the lucky one to receive a reply in Chinese from
> > the original poster who has been claiming to be able to "speak, read/
> > write PERFECT Chinese".
>
> Well, the person who responded to my messages did seem to know
> some Chinese.

Many westerners know Chinese, and can read/write/speak Chinese, but
they did not claim to be "a guy from Taiwan, born in Taiwan, grew up
in Taiwan and educated in Taiwan, and can read/write/speak perfect
Chinese". When I discovered her website, she actually admitted that
was her. She even volunteered her own information that she was a
model for a Taiwan clothing manufacturing company's fashion show.
Looking at those pictures, I can't tell some of those pictures were
actually taking at the fashion show until she said it. Then I can
readily see that those pictures were taking at the fashion show. We
had a truce for a while before she went back to her pathological lying
ways again.

>
> While I prefer everyone to use their real names in Usenet,
> I don't think the true identity of each netter matters that
> much.  It is really the content of the messages that count.

Everything from abum_chump is a lie. Her posts are nothing but lies.


>
> We have heard your story about the true identity of said netter.
> Well, thank you for alerting us to the possibility of fraud.
> I think most of us (here at hk.politics) have read your message
> at least once, and I am quite sure most of us prefer you NOT
> positing the same thing over and over again.

And I would prefer that you see what she is before you defend her
again.

>
> You are of course well come to post messages on other topics.

We will continue to bash abum_chump post as we see fit and proper.

>
> Thank you for your consideration.
>

And we thank you for your considerations.

rst0

report2009

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Hmmm... removed soc.culture.china from your reply? What did that
mean? :-)

Add them back.


On Mar 23, 1:14 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>


wrote:
> Message noted, but not complied, simply because this "abianchen" has
> made it a personal issue to insult me from the first day I posted in
> SCC. That you refuse to ignore my warnings is entirely your business,

> and what you believe or don't believe is your personal choice. I do
> not post in hk.politics, but I make this an exception: that my posts
> get cross-posted is entirely the results of "abianchen's" doing. I


> suggest that you simply killfile me, if you don't wish to see my
> repetitive exposure of this troll, because I shall endeavor to
> continue doing so as long as she trolls SCC.
>
> I must say that I am surprised to read that an intelligent poster such

> as yourself could not see through the maquerade what this "abianchen"
> troll has been plying for over a decade, but perhaps you don't care.


> Have you examined our findings? Or don't you care about that either?
>
> Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 can't read/write Chinese other
> than cutting-and-pasting from the internet:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/2820117f3da3ac55...
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/83029bb548080af5...
>
> Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is a pathological liar:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/ee41fc07a8921a88...
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c...
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fdeab5e65d151e9c...
>
>  Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 makes persitent childish and
> girlish claims:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876...
>
> Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is childish and repetitive:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/5646b3ef057db25d...
>

> Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is not "a guy from Taiwan", but
> an ugly Philippino dyke:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe...http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2...
>
> Sincere regards,
> Wusong.


>
> On Mar 22, 2:50 pm, Tak To <ta...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>
>

Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted

bak yim sing

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haha wrote:

> ? 21/3/2010 2:30, Tak To ??:

你看看維基世界銀行和國際貨幣基金ppp計算就知道。
根據貨幣基金計算PPP,美國總生產比歐盟低十五份
之一。但根據世界銀行的ppp計算﹐美國總生產卻比
歐盟高三份一之強。

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

由如果你看印度﹐在GDP排名是12。在加拿大之後﹐

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
不過在PPP排名就已經超越德國﹐緊排在日本之後。

但如果以祖國為例。普通衣食住行在現今水平是比
美國便宜多。但是如果進步一點要買樓﹐買電視﹐
電腦﹐打印機和好多家庭電器用品﹐價錢都比美國
貴。於是如果民生好一點的話﹐印度和祖國用 ppp
排名的國民總生產可能就會跌。

Anti-DabianchenVirus

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Please remember that report2009/abianchen claimed that she cannot
understand Cantonese, so she cannot respond to your post unless you
write in Mandarin Chinese or her pidgin Tawang English.


On Mar 20, 5:56 am, bak yim sing <b...@bys.com> wrote:
> report2009 wrote:
> > 大麥克指數:人民幣值低估49%
> > 2010-03-20 中國時報 【林上祚/台北報導】
>

> >  半年公布一次的經濟學人大麥克指數出爐,儘管中國大陸今年以來通膨現象已蠢蠢欲動,大陸麥香堡一個只賣1.83美元,比美國境內一個3.58美元足足少49%,-如以購買力平價理論推論,人民幣幣值低估幅度49%,台幣幣值則低估34%。


>
> 這個根本不能以大麥包的售價作比。
>
> 美國如果要買地建造一家麥當奴﹐就算最便宜的中西部城市﹐
> 建造價都超過百萬美元。大城市的建造費更貴。大陸一定不
> 需要如此昂貴來建造一家麥當奴。另外是人功問題。今日
> 美國麥當奴平均工錢是八美元一小時﹐大陸頂多是三﹐四元
> 人民幣一小時﹐就是美元五毛錢到六毛錢﹐比美國人工低
> 十二倍。這樣比起來﹐大陸的麥當奴比美國的還賺錢。
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> >  經濟學人旗下研究機構EIU,每半年針對全球麥香堡價格進行比較,推估出各國貨幣高估/低估程度,和去年七月相比,大陸麥香堡雖比三年前增加
> > 0.4美元,但隱含幣值低估幅度,仍高達49%。
>
> >  其他亞洲國家麥香堡,比起美國也明顯便宜許多,印尼、泰國與馬來西亞三國,麥香堡價格比起美國便宜35-40%,去年幣值大幅升值的韓國,麥
> > 香堡價格與美國已大幅拉進,其他新興市場國家幣值也明顯低估,俄羅斯盧布、墨西哥披索與南非蘭德,低估幅度都有二成到三成不等。 麥香堡價格 美國遠高
> > 於亞洲國家
>
> >  根據EIU數據,韓元幣值隱含低估幅度僅16%;目前匯率已來到一美元兌90日圓的日本,麥香堡價格已與美國相當,顯示日圓未來幣值轉強空間
> > 有限。
>
> >  相對之下,歐元區歷經南歐債信危機,幣值居高不下,歐元區麥香堡一個4.62美元,比美國高出近三成,其他歐洲國家麥香堡價格更是驚人,挪威
> > 麥香堡價格足足比美國貴九成,瑞士也比美國貴七成。
>
> >  歐洲金融重鎮英國,今年因國會大選結果,可能出現最大政黨席次未過半狀況,英鎊相對主要貨幣大幅貶值,英國麥香堡價格,目前只有3.48美
> > 元,英鎊幣值反而低估2.79%。
>
> >  歐美盼人民幣升值 預估幅度不大
>
> >  由於歐美國家才剛走出金融風暴陰影,為刺激出口,歐美國家紛紛把矛頭指向中國大陸,前年諾貝爾經濟學獎得主克魯曼,已多次透過專欄指控中國壓
> > 低幣值做法,延緩全球經濟復甦步調。
>
> >  花旗銀行表示,大陸總理溫家寶日前強調,人民幣沒有低估,他主張歐美國家應該解除對中國大陸的高科技產品出口禁令,一般相信,美國愈是逼迫人
> > 民幣升值,大陸當局愈是抗拒,花旗預估,人民幣今年升值幅度頂多2-3%。
>

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report2009

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經濟學人 -> "The Economist" magazine, 大麥克 -> Big Mac at McDonnald's, I
know it's very confusing. :-)


On Mar 21, 12:06 pm, Siansiansian <williamta...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > 民幣升值,大陸當局愈是抗拒,花旗預估,人民幣今年升值幅度頂多2-3%。- Hide quoted text -

Tak To

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rst9 wrote:
> On Mar 22, 2:50 pm, Tak To <ta...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> Anti-DabianchenVirus wrote:
>>> Well, maybe you're the lucky one to receive a reply in Chinese from
>>> the original poster who has been claiming to be able to "speak, read/
>>> write PERFECT Chinese".
>>
>> Well, the person who responded to my messages did seem to know
>> some Chinese.
>
> Many westerners know Chinese, and can read/write/speak Chinese, but
> they did not claim to be "a guy from Taiwan, born in Taiwan, grew up
> in Taiwan and educated in Taiwan, and can read/write/speak perfect
> Chinese". When I discovered her website, she actually admitted that
> was her. She even volunteered her own information that she was a
> model for a Taiwan clothing manufacturing company's fashion show.
> Looking at those pictures, I can't tell some of those pictures were
> actually taking at the fashion show until she said it. Then I can
> readily see that those pictures were taking at the fashion show. We
> had a truce for a while before she went back to her pathological lying
> ways again.
>
>> While I prefer everyone to use their real names in Usenet,
>> I don't think the true identity of each netter matters that
>> much. It is really the content of the messages that count.
>
> Everything from abum_chump is a lie. Her posts are nothing but lies.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. According to you,
this netter just copied wholesale from the Chinese websites.
There is no deception since all the articles are properly
attributed. Or are you saying that all the copied Chinese
articles are lying?

>> We have heard your story about the true identity of said netter.
>> Well, thank you for alerting us to the possibility of fraud.
>> I think most of us (here at hk.politics) have read your message
>> at least once, and I am quite sure most of us prefer you NOT
>> positing the same thing over and over again.
>
> And I would prefer that you see what she is before you defend her
> again.

I have never defended this netter. I am not in the habit
of defending anyone on usenet. I believe people can
defend themselves. I enter into the current sub-thread
because when a message was addressed to me.

ltlee1

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Zhou Yu beating up Huang Gai.
A good way to bump the thread up.


>
> Tak
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------+-----
> Tak To                                            ta...@alum.mit.eduxx
> --------------------------------------------------------------------^^

>   [taode takto ~{LU5B~}]      NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr- Hide quoted text -

Wusong

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Mar 24, 2010, 1:22:13 PM3/24/10
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Tak to:

The issue between "abianchen" and myself, Wusong, is a personal one. I
have followed her posts, and concluded the findings which I presented
to you. I have also read your posts, which I found very respectable,
sound and fair. "Abianchen", on the other hand, had previously
admitted that she is here with the sole intention of "having fun" by
insulting and taunting posters. Whether or not you believe this is
entirely your privilege, and I remember well that even you once called
her "amazingly stupid". I think it best that we each pursue our goals
in the newsgroups and not be irritated by one another because of them.
After all, these are public Usenet groups, and no one individual is
here to dictate what may or may not be posted.

Sincerely,
Wusong.

abia...@my-deja.com

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那個Rusty說The Holocaust 是編造的, 我指正正他, 他訧偷菲女照片說是我來報復至今.真是個無聊男子!


On Mar 24, 1:14 pm, Tak To <ta...@alum.mit.eduxx> wrote:


> Anti-DabianchenVirus wrote:
> > Message noted, but not complied, simply because this "abianchen" has
> > made it a personal issue to insult me from the first day I posted in
> > SCC. That you refuse to ignore my warnings is entirely your business,
> > and what you believe or don't believe is your personal choice. I do
> > not post in hk.politics, but I make this an exception: that my posts
> > get cross-posted is entirely the results of "abianchen's" doing. I
> > suggest that you simply killfile me, if you don't wish to see my
> > repetitive exposure of this troll, because I shall endeavor to
> > continue doing so as long as she trolls SCC.
>
> > I must say that I am surprised to read that an intelligent poster such
> > as yourself could not see through the maquerade what this "abianchen"
> > troll has been plying for over a decade, but perhaps you don't care.
>

> Most of report2009's posts (that appear in hk.politics) are
> articles copied from Chinese websites.  The identity of the
> netter does not matter.


>
> > Have you examined our findings? Or don't you care about that either?
>

> I do not care about the true identity of the netter.  I
> care about the content of the posts.


>
> > Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 can't read/write Chinese other
> > than cutting-and-pasting from the internet:
> >  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
> >  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/2820117f3da3ac55...
> >  http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/83029bb548080af5...
>

> Which due respect, I don't see what these prove
> anything.  Report2009 was apparently making fun of
> you in what appeared to be colloquial Taiwan
> Chinese.

Tak To

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所以拉購買力來談沒有意思。

> 金融危機發生後,奧巴馬政府「印銀紙」救市。很多人預測會造成惡性通脹,通脹
> 又引致美元貶值,亦是基於這個理論。

不一定。要物價上升才會引起通脹。如果有人把廉價貨物源源運來,就未必
會通脹。又如果人人都把剩餘的銀紙都存在銀行或「投資」,不去搶購貨物
,也不會引起通脹。

> 其實要「證明」人民幣值被「低估」,亦不必如此間接,單以中國貿易順差,就可
> 說人民幣匯價「太低」。

我不同意這個說法。

> 按:由於貨幣供應量係由各國政府操縱,我覺得說什麼太高太低,有無操控之類,
> 意義不大。倒不如直接討論人民幣升值是好還是壞。

這個我倒同意。

> 又或者可更簡單一點,有貿易順差就應升值,有逆差就應貶值。不過對一些發展中
> 國家而言,確有必要保持一些外匯儲備,所以最好有些順差,因此最好對他們網開
> 一面。

但有貿易差額不一定是壞事呀。誠然從長遠眼光,最好是全世界各地的人都
同樣程度豐衣足食,工資平衡,貿易平衡,但目前有太多其他的因數,單調
整匯率,似乎是倒果為因,揠苗助長。正如現在世界各地的工資不一樣,但
開放邊境,讓勞工自由出入不是解決辦法一樣。

言歸正傳:人民幣升值的好處是人民可以買到較平價入口貨,壞處是出口失
去了一點競爭力。甚麼是理想的折衷點呢?

abia...@my-deja.com

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周瑜打黃蓋? 我可沒有虐待狂或被虐待狂, 碰到兩個神經病, 真衰! 不過倒是希望有點孔明的智慧. :-)

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On Mar 24, 2:19 pm, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

report2009

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2007年11月, 那個”Wusong” (“Chairman Mao”)冒充黑人騷擾其他黑人網友, 我洩了他的底, 他恨我騷擾我至今.所以我
就用中文隱語逗他, 他的線上翻譯無法翻, 不知我說啥, 哈哈!

Wusong

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Mar 24, 2010, 3:32:07 PM3/24/10
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Ha-ha! Prove it, Meichi! Prove that I, Wusong, am the same poster as
"Chairman Mao"! You have been barking this for such a long time now,
but you haven't been able to produce one single post that links me and
your "Chairman Mao". You are such a pathological liar that you believe
your own lies. Now, here are irrefutable proofs of who you really are:

Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is not "a guy from Taiwan", but
an ugly Philippino dyke:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/31e3f301c13dbbbe?hl=en

Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 can't read/write Chinese other
than cutting-and-pasting from the internet:

Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is a pathological liar:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/ee41fc07a8921a88?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fdeab5e65d151e9c?hl=en

Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is not a "guy from Taiwan":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fc81fe43d9c693e2?hl=en

Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 makes persitent childish and
girlish claims:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7d3d15d1e66e4876?hl=en

Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is a loser:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8af8fda3a280e511?hl=en

Proof that abianchen/Meichi/report2009 is childish and repetitive:

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於 25/3/2010 1:42, Tak To 提到:
> haha wrote:

>>> 首先我就不明白為何談【匯率】時要考慮購買力,現在又不是比較【生產
>>> 力】。
>>
>> 「巨無霸指數」背後是以「購買力平價」理論為基礎:
>> http://wiki.mbalib.com/zh-tw/%E8%B4%AD%E4%B9%B0%E5%8A%9B%E5%B9%B3%E4%BB%B7
>>
>>
>>   購買力平價理論是關於匯率決定的一種理論。最初由英國經濟學家桑頓在
>> 1802 年提出,其後成為李嘉圖的古典經濟理論的一個組成部分,最後由瑞典經
>> 濟學家 K.G.卡瑟爾(1866~1945)加以發展和充實 ,併在其1922年出版的《
>> 1914 年以後 的貨幣與外匯》一書中作了詳細論述。這一理論的要點是:人們所
>> 以願意買進外 幣,是由於這種貨幣在該國對商品和勞務擁有購買力。而本國貨
>> 幣則對本國的商品 和勞務具有購買力。因此,兩國貨幣的匯率取決於兩種貨幣
>> 在這兩國的購買力之 比。當兩種貨幣都發生通貨膨脹時,名義匯率將等於原先
>> 的匯率乘以兩國通貨膨脹 率之商。雖然可能出現背離這個新的名義匯率的情
>> 況,但匯率的變動趨勢始終是兩 國貨幣購買力之比。因此,必須把用上述方式
>> 計算出來的匯率,看作是兩種貨幣之 間新的平價。這一平價即購買力平價。這
>> 一理論看到了紙幣的購買力同紙幣所代表 的價值之間存在著一定聯繫,併進而
>> 認為通貨膨脹的變化影響了匯率的變化。但其 理論基礎是貨幣數量論,忽視了
>> 物價和匯率之間可相互影響、互為因果的關係。
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> 不過此理論背後是假設國際間資本流動很自由,交易費用很低,諸如此類。
>> 有經濟學者做過實證研究,發現現實匯率變動,與ppp理論預測的相距甚遠。
>
> 所以拉購買力來談沒有意思。

也未必。中學生的物理題中,經常「假設」沒有摩擦力,沒有空氣阻力之類。這類
習題又是否無意思?
這些理論雖有一些不切實際的假設,但可作分析的起點。

>
>> 金融危機發生後,奧巴馬政府「印銀紙」救市。很多人預測會造成惡性通脹,通
>> 脹 又引致美元貶值,亦是基於這個理論。
>
> 不一定。要物價上升才會引起通脹。如果有人把廉價貨物源源運來,就未必
> 會通脹。又如果人人都把剩餘的銀紙都存在銀行或「投資」,不去搶購貨物
> ,也不會引起通脹。

說「印銀紙會引發通脹」,其實背後是有個「不言而喻」的假設:其他因素不變。
再以物理來比喻:說「提高溫度會令氣體壓力上升」,亦是假設了其他因素不變。

當然,事實上奧巴馬政府「印銀紙」印了年多,美帝仍不見多少通脹(至少預計中
的惡性通脹至今仍沒有發生)。所以可能是有其他因素影響。(也可能是理論錯誤)
只不過很多人,包括一些專家,評論時往往忘記了這個重要的假設,所以信口開
河,講出一些「無條件預測」,如「美元將會大幅貶值」之類。
正所謂世事難料,就算專家學者,亦應小心一點,不應忘記「其他因素」。

>
>> 其實要「證明」人民幣值被「低估」,亦不必如此間接,單以中國貿易順差,就
>> 可 說人民幣匯價「太低」。
>
> 我不同意這個說法。
>
>> 按:由於貨幣供應量係由各國政府操縱,我覺得說什麼太高太低,有無操控之
>> 類, 意義不大。倒不如直接討論人民幣升值是好還是壞。
>
> 這個我倒同意。
>
>> 又或者可更簡單一點,有貿易順差就應升值,有逆差就應貶值。不過對一些發展
>> 中 國家而言,確有必要保持一些外匯儲備,所以最好有些順差,因此最好對他
>> 們網開 一面。
>
> 但有貿易差額不一定是壞事呀。誠然從長遠眼光,最好是全世界各地的人都
> 同樣程度豐衣足食,工資平衡,貿易平衡,但目前有太多其他的因數,單調
> 整匯率,似乎是倒果為因,揠苗助長。正如現在世界各地的工資不一樣,但
> 開放邊境,讓勞工自由出入不是解決辦法一樣。

我認為人民幣最好升值,關鍵不在於是否能令美帝貿易平衡(我認為不能)。
我是著眼於中國的現況。若美帝繼續寬鬆貨幣政策,而人民幣又繼續與美元「掛
鉤」,中國隨時會步日本後塵,搞出經濟泡沫。

>
> 言歸正傳:人民幣升值的好處是人民可以買到較平價入口貨,壞處是出口失
> 去了一點競爭力。甚麼是理想的折衷點呢?

若按「市場原教旨主義」的看法,讓人民幣浮動,市場自然會「找到平衡」。
順便一提:經濟問題的性質,其實就好像老兄提到的,一件事總有好處及壞處,問
題是如何折衷。佛利民的名言:世上沒有免費午餐,也是此意。
但政客、知識份子等,郤愛將經濟問題黑白二分,所以常常都無法理解經濟現象的
真實性質。

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report2009

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On Mar 24, 3:20 pm, report2009 <repost20...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Tak To

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正如中國方面有很多經濟謬論,美國方面也不少。

>>> 其實要「證明」人民幣值被「低估」,亦不必如此間接,單以中國貿易順差,就
>>> 可 說人民幣匯價「太低」。
>>
>> 我不同意這個說法。
>>
>>> 按:由於貨幣供應量係由各國政府操縱,我覺得說什麼太高太低,有無操控之
>>> 類, 意義不大。倒不如直接討論人民幣升值是好還是壞。
>>
>> 這個我倒同意。
>>
>>> 又或者可更簡單一點,有貿易順差就應升值,有逆差就應貶值。不過對一些發展
>>> 中 國家而言,確有必要保持一些外匯儲備,所以最好有些順差,因此最好對他
>>> 們網開 一面。
>>
>> 但有貿易差額不一定是壞事呀。誠然從長遠眼光,最好是全世界各地的人都
>> 同樣程度豐衣足食,工資平衡,貿易平衡,但目前有太多其他的因數,單調
>> 整匯率,似乎是倒果為因,揠苗助長。正如現在世界各地的工資不一樣,但
>> 開放邊境,讓勞工自由出入不是解決辦法一樣。
>
> 我認為人民幣最好升值,關鍵不在於是否能令美帝貿易平衡(我認為不能)。
> 我是著眼於中國的現況。若美帝繼續寬鬆貨幣政策,而人民幣又繼續與美元「掛
> 鉤」,中國隨時會步日本後塵,搞出經濟泡沫。

要制止地產泡沫,其實不一定要高息,也已從稅,銀行法規等方面著手。

不過人民幣升值,購買外國能源的支出是無形中降低了。這對整個中國經濟
的發展或許是件好事。不過中國最需要的,是減少出口對整個經濟的重要性
。中國要加倍發展落後地區的經濟,從而擴大內銷市場。

我也同意改變匯率對中美貿易平衡的幫助不大。

>> 言歸正傳:人民幣升值的好處是人民可以買到較平價入口貨,壞處是出口失
>> 去了一點競爭力。甚麼是理想的折衷點呢?
>
> 若按「市場原教旨主義」的看法,讓人民幣浮動,市場自然會「找到平衡」。

平衡是銀行間匯兌的平衡,這未必是對中國經濟最有利。

其實浮動也不會令人民幣狂升。世界各國對人民幣都沒有怎樣的信心,他們
肯收那麼多人民幣嗎?

> 順便一提:經濟問題的性質,其實就好像老兄提到的,一件事總有好處及壞處,問
> 題是如何折衷。佛利民的名言:世上沒有免費午餐,也是此意。
> 但政客、知識份子等,郤愛將經濟問題黑白二分,所以常常都無法理解經濟現象的
> 真實性質。

中外皆然。

haha

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於 26/3/2010 3:28, Tak To 提到:
> haha wrote:

>>
>> 我認為人民幣最好升值,關鍵不在於是否能令美帝貿易平衡(我認為不能)。
>> 我是著眼於中國的現況。若美帝繼續寬鬆貨幣政策,而人民幣又繼續與美元「掛
>> 鉤」,中國隨時會步日本後塵,搞出經濟泡沫。
>
> 要制止地產泡沫,其實不一定要高息,也已從稅,銀行法規等方面著手。

但現在共匪不但不打擊泡沫,各地方政府,反而火上加油。
看看下面半島衛視的報導,共匪在內蒙古擺「空城計」,令人嘆為觀止:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7V3Twb-Qk

順便一提,有關此內蒙「空城」,我在網上都找不到中文媒體報導。

>
> 不過人民幣升值,購買外國能源的支出是無形中降低了。這對整個中國經濟
> 的發展或許是件好事。不過中國最需要的,是減少出口對整個經濟的重要性
> 。中國要加倍發展落後地區的經濟,從而擴大內銷市場。

擴大內需,已講了多年,至今未見成效。

>
> 我也同意改變匯率對中美貿易平衡的幫助不大。

我不是說「對中美貿易平衡」並無幫助,我認為有。只不過中國出口減少,不等於
美帝逆差減少。美帝到時可能轉為對其他國家有逆差。

>
>>> 言歸正傳:人民幣升值的好處是人民可以買到較平價入口貨,壞處是出口失
>>> 去了一點競爭力。甚麼是理想的折衷點呢?
>>
>> 若按「市場原教旨主義」的看法,讓人民幣浮動,市場自然會「找到平衡」。
>
> 平衡是銀行間匯兌的平衡,這未必是對中國經濟最有利。

如何才算「對中國經濟最有利」?誰人有權決定?這些是很難解答的「哲學問題」。
事實上,很多人就是因為認為無法解答上述問題,所以支持市場經濟。
當然,以貨幣的情況而言,事情又並非如此簡單。正如前述,貨幣的供應量本來就
是由各國政府操縱,並非「市場決定」。

>
> 其實浮動也不會令人民幣狂升。世界各國對人民幣都沒有怎樣的信心,他們
> 肯收那麼多人民幣嗎?

人民幣與美元,或其他外幣的兌換,其實主要是由中國的銀行進行。
中國出口商收到美元,會拿到中國的銀行兌換人民幣。
外國人投資中國,也拿美元(或其他外幣)到中國的銀行兌換。
外國人不會接受人民幣作交易媒介。所以這一點對人民幣匯價沒大影響。

又,上述所謂「拿美元到中國銀行兌換人民幣」,並不是拿一堆現鈔去(黑社會販
毒才會用現銀交易),而是將在美國銀行的存款轉存到*中國銀行在美國的帳戶*而
已。所以由始至終,該筆款項都是在美國境內。
很多人似乎就是不明白這一點,所以以為中國是可以用外匯儲備來威脅美帝。
按:市場上也有所謂「境外美元」,但也實際上始終是有一筆存款在美國。

>
>> 順便一提:經濟問題的性質,其實就好像老兄提到的,一件事總有好處及壞處,
>> 問 題是如何折衷。佛利民的名言:世上沒有免費午餐,也是此意。
>> 但政客、知識份子等,郤愛將經濟問題黑白二分,所以常常都無法理解經濟現象
>> 的 真實性質。
>
> 中外皆然。
>


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haha wrote:
> 於 26/3/2010 3:28, Tak To 提到:
>> haha wrote:
>
>>>
>>> 我認為人民幣最好升值,關鍵不在於是否能令美帝貿易平衡(我認為不能)。
>>> 我是著眼於中國的現況。若美帝繼續寬鬆貨幣政策,而人民幣又繼續與美元「掛
>>> 鉤」,中國隨時會步日本後塵,搞出經濟泡沫。
>>
>> 要制止地產泡沫,其實不一定要高息,也已從稅,銀行法規等方面著手。
>
> 但現在共匪不但不打擊泡沫,各地方政府,反而火上加油。
> 看看下面半島衛視的報導,共匪在內蒙古擺「空城計」,令人嘆為觀止:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7V3Twb-Qk
> 順便一提,有關此內蒙「空城」,我在網上都找不到中文媒體報導。

中國的地方行政人員的管理能力和道德都很有問題。這是活脫脫海南島當
年倒賣入口汽車事件的翻版。中央有意,有錢,主管人雷宇不貪,但卻不
懂管理,結果就是成行成事的大規模官倒。

不過,現在的空城現象也不一定會引致泡沫。只要沒有太多的杠杆和衍生
投資,頂多是耗費公幣罷了。

>> 不過人民幣升值,購買外國能源的支出是無形中降低了。這對整個中國經濟
>> 的發展或許是件好事。不過中國最需要的,是減少出口對整個經濟的重要性
>> 。中國要加倍發展落後地區的經濟,從而擴大內銷市場。
>
> 擴大內需,已講了多年,至今未見成效。

中國的內需是月越來越大的,不過擴張速度不夠而已。不過,也就是上面
說過地方行政人員的管理能力和道德的問題。

>> 我也同意改變匯率對中美貿易平衡的幫助不大。
>
> 我不是說「對中美貿易平衡」並無幫助,我認為有。只不過中國出口減少,不等於
> 美帝逆差減少。美帝到時可能轉為對其他國家有逆差。
>
>>
>>>> 言歸正傳:人民幣升值的好處是人民可以買到較平價入口貨,壞處是出口失
>>>> 去了一點競爭力。甚麼是理想的折衷點呢?
>>>
>>> 若按「市場原教旨主義」的看法,讓人民幣浮動,市場自然會「找到平衡」。
>>
>> 平衡是銀行間匯兌的平衡,這未必是對中國經濟最有利。
>
> 如何才算「對中國經濟最有利」?誰人有權決定?這些是很難解答的「哲學問題」。
> 事實上,很多人就是因為認為無法解答上述問題,所以支持市場經濟。
> 當然,以貨幣的情況而言,事情又並非如此簡單。正如前述,貨幣的供應量本來就
> 是由各國政府操縱,並非「市場決定」。

所以,也就有人說:現在不是很好嗎?為甚麼要改呢?

>> 其實浮動也不會令人民幣狂升。世界各國對人民幣都沒有怎樣的信心,他們
>> 肯收那麼多人民幣嗎?
>
> 人民幣與美元,或其他外幣的兌換,其實主要是由中國的銀行進行。
> 中國出口商收到美元,會拿到中國的銀行兌換人民幣。
> 外國人投資中國,也拿美元(或其他外幣)到中國的銀行兌換。
> 外國人不會接受人民幣作交易媒介。所以這一點對人民幣匯價沒大影響。
>
> 又,上述所謂「拿美元到中國銀行兌換人民幣」,並不是拿一堆現鈔去(黑社會販
> 毒才會用現銀交易),而是將在美國銀行的存款轉存到*中國銀行在美國的帳戶*而
> 已。所以由始至終,該筆款項都是在美國境內。
> 很多人似乎就是不明白這一點,所以以為中國是可以用外匯儲備來威脅美帝。
> 按:市場上也有所謂「境外美元」,但也實際上始終是有一筆存款在美國。

的確很多人不明白。比如這里有為EW君,就把匯率問題看成是「美債問題
」。

>>> 順便一提:經濟問題的性質,其實就好像老兄提到的,一件事總有好處及壞處,
>>> 問 題是如何折衷。佛利民的名言:世上沒有免費午餐,也是此意。
>>> 但政客、知識份子等,郤愛將經濟問題黑白二分,所以常常都無法理解經濟現象
>>> 的 真實性質。
>>
>> 中外皆然。

Tak

haha

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於 27/3/2010 6:56, Tak To 提到:
> haha wrote:

>> 但現在共匪不但不打擊泡沫,各地方政府,反而火上加油。
>> 看看下面半島衛視的報導,共匪在內蒙古擺「空城計」,令人嘆為觀止:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7V3Twb-Qk
>> 順便一提,有關此內蒙「空城」,我在網上都找不到中文媒體報導。
>
> 中國的地方行政人員的管理能力和道德都很有問題。這是活脫脫海南島當
> 年倒賣入口汽車事件的翻版。中央有意,有錢,主管人雷宇不貪,但卻不
> 懂管理,結果就是成行成事的大規模官倒。
>
> 不過,現在的空城現象也不一定會引致泡沫。只要沒有太多的杠杆和衍生
> 投資,頂多是耗費公幣罷了。

半島的報導中提到,「空城」中的房屋,大多都已售出,只不過業主只是投資,不
是用來居住。
無人入住的城市,其住宅及工商用樓宇居然仍有「投資價值」,不是泡沫又是什麼?
再看看下面的報導:
http://news.sina.com.hk/cgi-bin/nw/show.cgi/94/1/1/1471575/1.html

北京樓價單月再漲10%
2010-03-27

遏制措施未見效 「地王」連番出現

【明報專訊】全國「兩會」前,各地方政府推出多項限制樓價快速增長的政策,但
整體上並沒有抑制住全國樓價猛漲趨勢,不過各地走勢參差。北京的樓價比2月底
漲了一成,在連番出現「地王」後,預計下月樓價還會再升一成。而深圳關內新樓
也逼近每平方米4萬元(人民幣.下同),至於上海廣州的樓價則有所調整。

北京三環內唯一在建地盤、東南三環附近紫芳園四期工程「璞氷社區」,去年12月
新開盤時均價為每平方米2.5萬元;2月底均價尚不足3.2萬元,並餘下部分2.8萬元
的單位。

-------------

比起以往日本及香港的樓市泡沫,大陸或者仍不算嚴重。但祖國其實應趁泡沫還未
吹得太大時處理,否則的話,將來升得越高,跌得越痛。


>> 如何才算「對中國經濟最有利」?誰人有權決定?這些是很難解答的「哲學問


>> 題」。
>> 事實上,很多人就是因為認為無法解答上述問題,所以支持市場經濟。
>> 當然,以貨幣的情況而言,事情又並非如此簡單。正如前述,貨幣的供應量本來
>> 就 是由各國政府操縱,並非「市場決定」。
>
> 所以,也就有人說:現在不是很好嗎?為甚麼要改呢?

我就是覺得現在不是很好。
印銀紙這一招,對美帝而言,可能是對症下藥,至少銀紙印了,但美帝樓市仍是疲弱。
但中國則不同,金融體系並無發生危機,最大問題不過是出口生意減少而已。
但為了人民幣與美元掛鉤,跟著美帝一起印銀紙,就會令經濟過熱。


>> 人民幣與美元,或其他外幣的兌換,其實主要是由中國的銀行進行。
>> 中國出口商收到美元,會拿到中國的銀行兌換人民幣。
>> 外國人投資中國,也拿美元(或其他外幣)到中國的銀行兌換。
>> 外國人不會接受人民幣作交易媒介。所以這一點對人民幣匯價沒大影響。
>>
>> 又,上述所謂「拿美元到中國銀行兌換人民幣」,並不是拿一堆現鈔去(黑社會
>> 販 毒才會用現銀交易),而是將在美國銀行的存款轉存到*中國銀行在美國的帳
>> 戶*而 已。所以由始至終,該筆款項都是在美國境內。
>> 很多人似乎就是不明白這一點,所以以為中國是可以用外匯儲備來威脅美帝。
>> 按:市場上也有所謂「境外美元」,但也實際上始終是有一筆存款在美國。
>
> 的確很多人不明白。比如這里有為EW君,就把匯率問題看成是「美債問題
> 」。

「美帝印銀紙換取別國血汗」這說法,由來已久,不只這位網友,一些國家的元
首,亦曾有類似言論。
印象中,俄國普京、伊朗總統內賈德,還有委內瑞拉查維斯都說過。不過他們(尤
其是後二位)向來是「國際大嘴巴」IBM,有時胡說一番亦不足為奇。


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Mar 27, 2010, 8:46:05 AM3/27/10
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Tak To wrote:

>
> >haha wrote:
> > 於 26/3/2010 3:28, Tak To 提到:
> >> haha wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> 我認為人民幣最好升值,關鍵不在於是否能令美帝貿易平衡(我認為不能)。
> >>> 我是著眼於中國的現況。若美帝繼續寬鬆貨幣政策,而人民幣又繼續與美元「掛
> >>> 鉤」,中國隨時會步日本後塵,搞出經濟泡沫。
> >>
> >> 要制止地產泡沫,其實不一定要高息,也已從稅,銀行法規等方面著手。
> >
> > 但現在共匪不但不打擊泡沫,各地方政府,反而火上加油。
> > 看看下面半島衛視的報導,共匪在內蒙古擺「空城計」,令人嘆為觀止:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7V3Twb-Qk
> > 順便一提,有關此內蒙「空城」,我在網上都找不到中文媒體報導。
>
> 中國的地方行政人員的管理能力和道德都很有問題。這是活脫脫海南島當
> 年倒賣入口汽車事件的翻版。中央有意,有錢,主管人雷宇不貪,但卻不
> 懂管理,結果就是成行成事的大規模官倒。
>
> 不過,現在的空城現象也不一定會引致泡沫。只要沒有太多的杠杆和衍生
> 投資,頂多是耗費公幣罷了。
>

根據視頻的規模﹐那麼多大型建築﹐而且是在沙漠建高樓﹐
如果沒有偷工減料﹐一定要打樁。建設費在美國沒有過
億美元都不成。

在祖國內蒙古﹐算它美國造價的三到四成﹐起碼都要三﹐
四千萬美元﹐三億人民幣﹐這個鄂爾多斯市這個只有140
萬人的城市可以支撐得來嗎﹖

http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E9%84%82%E5%B0%94%E5%A4%9A%E6%96%AF%E5%B8%82

又如果沒人住(因為政府說市民買樓只是投資保值)﹐又偷工減料
的話﹐不用數年﹐如果沒有繼續不斷維修﹐空城就會變成廢墟。

Tak To

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我的意思是,市民炒樓引起的泡沫有限,只有銀行不太積極參與貸款。

現在中國的地產按揭一般要買主先付樓價的多少成?

>>> 如何才算「對中國經濟最有利」?誰人有權決定?這些是很難解答的「哲學問
>>> 題」。
>>> 事實上,很多人就是因為認為無法解答上述問題,所以支持市場經濟。
>>> 當然,以貨幣的情況而言,事情又並非如此簡單。正如前述,貨幣的供應量本來
>>> 就 是由各國政府操縱,並非「市場決定」。
>>
>> 所以,也就有人說:現在不是很好嗎?為甚麼要改呢?
>
> 我就是覺得現在不是很好。
> 印銀紙這一招,對美帝而言,可能是對症下藥,至少銀紙印了,但美帝樓市仍是疲
> 弱。
> 但中國則不同,金融體系並無發生危機,最大問題不過是出口生意減少而已。
> 但為了人民幣與美元掛鉤,跟著美帝一起印銀紙,就會令經濟過熱。

但現在印銀紙不是為了和美元掛鉤,而是為了推動內需呀!

>>> 人民幣與美元,或其他外幣的兌換,其實主要是由中國的銀行進行。
>>> 中國出口商收到美元,會拿到中國的銀行兌換人民幣。
>>> 外國人投資中國,也拿美元(或其他外幣)到中國的銀行兌換。
>>> 外國人不會接受人民幣作交易媒介。所以這一點對人民幣匯價沒大影響。
>>>
>>> 又,上述所謂「拿美元到中國銀行兌換人民幣」,並不是拿一堆現鈔去(黑社會
>>> 販 毒才會用現銀交易),而是將在美國銀行的存款轉存到*中國銀行在美國的帳
>>> 戶*而 已。所以由始至終,該筆款項都是在美國境內。
>>> 很多人似乎就是不明白這一點,所以以為中國是可以用外匯儲備來威脅美帝。
>>> 按:市場上也有所謂「境外美元」,但也實際上始終是有一筆存款在美國。
>>
>> 的確很多人不明白。比如這里有為EW君,就把匯率問題看成是「美債問題
>> 」。
>
> 「美帝印銀紙換取別國血汗」這說法,由來已久,不只這位網友,一些國家的元
> 首,亦曾有類似言論。
> 印象中,俄國普京、伊朗總統內賈德,還有委內瑞拉查維斯都說過。不過他們(尤
> 其是後二位)向來是「國際大嘴巴」IBM,有時胡說一番亦不足為奇。

同樣,一些美國議員就認為中國壓低幣值,打擊了美國的出口業,絲毫不
提美國市民買平貨的好處,反而口口聲聲要懲罰中國。

haha

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於 30/3/2010 4:46, Tak To 提到:
> haha wrote:


>> 比起以往日本及香港的樓市泡沫,大陸或者仍不算嚴重。但祖國其實應趁泡沫還


>> 未 吹得太大時處理,否則的話,將來升得越高,跌得越痛。
>
>
> 我的意思是,市民炒樓引起的泡沫有限,只有銀行不太積極參與貸款。
>
> 現在中國的地產按揭一般要買主先付樓價的多少成?

似乎沒有硬性規定:
http://big5.ce.cn/cysc/fdc/fc/201003/30/t20100330_20348879.shtml

  記者走訪廣州市仲介和銀行發現銀行信貸收緊後,廣州市場貸款利率優惠到底
存不存在,空間有多大?什麼人才能享受7折優惠?為了解目前貸款的真實情況,
記者暗訪多家房地產仲介和幾大銀行的營業部,發現各大銀行的優惠情況有所不
同,首次置業買家獲得7折利率並不難,甚至還有銀行可以提供首付兩成、利率7折
的房貸。

------------

若首期再多付一點,利率應可再「打折」。但由上例可知,首期起碼可低至二成。


>> 我就是覺得現在不是很好。
>> 印銀紙這一招,對美帝而言,可能是對症下藥,至少銀紙印了,但美帝樓市仍是
>> 疲 弱。
>> 但中國則不同,金融體系並無發生危機,最大問題不過是出口生意減少而已。
>> 但為了人民幣與美元掛鉤,跟著美帝一起印銀紙,就會令經濟過熱。
>
> 但現在印銀紙不是為了和美元掛鉤,而是為了推動內需呀!

現時人民幣名義上是「與一籃子貨幣掛鉤」,但實際上是與美元掛鉤。
要維持人民幣與美元的固定匯率,就只能跟隨美帝,實行寬鬆貨幣政策。
共匪口頭上說「適度寬鬆刺激經濟」,不過說得好聽而已。

又,所謂「印銀紙」只是比喻,不論美帝還是中國,並沒有真的「印」了很多現
鈔。所謂增加了貨幣供應,其實是銀行存款數字增加。
銀行中的存款增加了,不借出去,又用來做什麼呢?祖國的銀行向顧客提供利率折
扣,可見資金仍很充足。


>> 「美帝印銀紙換取別國血汗」這說法,由來已久,不只這位網友,一些國家的元
>> 首,亦曾有類似言論。
>> 印象中,俄國普京、伊朗總統內賈德,還有委內瑞拉查維斯都說過。不過他們
>> (尤 其是後二位)向來是「國際大嘴巴」IBM,有時胡說一番亦不足為奇。
>
> 同樣,一些美國議員就認為中國壓低幣值,打擊了美國的出口業,絲毫不
> 提美國市民買平貨的好處,反而口口聲聲要懲罰中國。
>

最離譜是連香港的聯繫匯率,亦被指是「操縱」。提出此見解的,還是什麼智庫的
學者,真是混帳。

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