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Derek F
Oct 31, 2011, 4:31:44 PM10/31/11
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How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
A friend who is 76 and severely diabetic and has angina was found to
probably have four blocked arteries after an exercise EKG. They did an
angiogram and fitted four stents.
Another fitter friend of 66 first had a stent fitted in 1994 and this
year has twice had another three stents fitted. Even after that he still
has angina.
I, a reasonably fit 77 was diagnosed with aortic stenosis earlier this
year. Previously I had two false positive exercise EKG's. A recent
dobutamine stress and exercise echo cardiogram again indicated two
blocked arteries. Prior to having an angiogram last week the
cardiologist said that if the arteries were found to be blocked they
would not stent them but bypass them when they replace the aortic valve.
In the event my arteries were again found to be clear.
This by the way is under the British NHS.
Derek
A friend who is 76 and severely diabetic and has angina was found to
probably have four blocked arteries after an exercise EKG. They did an
angiogram and fitted four stents.
Another fitter friend of 66 first had a stent fitted in 1994 and this
year has twice had another three stents fitted. Even after that he still
has angina.
I, a reasonably fit 77 was diagnosed with aortic stenosis earlier this
year. Previously I had two false positive exercise EKG's. A recent
dobutamine stress and exercise echo cardiogram again indicated two
blocked arteries. Prior to having an angiogram last week the
cardiologist said that if the arteries were found to be blocked they
would not stent them but bypass them when they replace the aortic valve.
In the event my arteries were again found to be clear.
This by the way is under the British NHS.
Derek
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Oct 31, 2011, 7:07:52 PM10/31/11
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Derek F wrote:
>How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
By weighing benefit versus risk of the procedure.
>How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
Bypass surgery is riskier than a stenting interventional procedure.
replacement is less risky than the staged procedure of stenting
followed by aortic valve surgery because of the perioperative need for
antiplatelet medications to keep clots from forming in the
drug-eluting stents that would dramatically increase the risk of
perioperative bleeding.
Be hungrier, which is wonderfully healthier, especially for the heart:
http://WDJW.net/BeSmart
... because we choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
Derek F
Oct 31, 2011, 7:49:07 PM10/31/11
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On 31/10/2011 23:07, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Derek F wrote:
>
>> How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
>
> By weighing benefit versus risk of the procedure.
>
> Bypass surgery is riskier than a stenting interventional procedure.
>
One reply I had from a cardiology nurse I posed the question to was that
> Derek F wrote:
>
>> How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
>
> By weighing benefit versus risk of the procedure.
>
> Bypass surgery is riskier than a stenting interventional procedure.
>
it depended where the blockage was.
>> A friend who is 76 and severely diabetic and has angina was found to
>> probably have four blocked arteries after an exercise EKG. They did an
>> angiogram and fitted four stents.
>> Another fitter friend of 66 first had a stent fitted in 1994 and this
>> year has twice had another three stents fitted. Even after that he still
>> has angina.
Derek
S. Wilson
Oct 31, 2011, 8:16:58 PM10/31/11
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WARNING TO DEREK! DO NOT take any advice from Andrew Chung, unless you want
to be in an early grave.
Advice from Chung=DEATH.
to be in an early grave.
Advice from Chung=DEATH.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Oct 31, 2011, 9:59:19 PM10/31/11
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Derek F wrote:
branch vessel.
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Derek F wrote:
> >
> >> How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
> >
> > By weighing benefit versus risk of the procedure.
> >
> > Bypass surgery is riskier than a stenting interventional procedure.
> >
> One reply I had from a cardiology nurse I posed the question to was that
> it depended where the blockage was.
Regardless of the location of the blockage, bypass surgery is riskier
> > Derek F wrote:
> >
> >> How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
> >
> > By weighing benefit versus risk of the procedure.
> >
> > Bypass surgery is riskier than a stenting interventional procedure.
> >
> One reply I had from a cardiology nurse I posed the question to was that
> it depended where the blockage was.
than a stenting interventional procedure.
> >> A friend who is 76 and severely diabetic and has angina was found to
> >> probably have four blocked arteries after an exercise EKG. They did an
> >> angiogram and fitted four stents.
> >> Another fitter friend of 66 first had a stent fitted in 1994 and this
> >> year has twice had another three stents fitted. Even after that he still
> >> has angina.
> Should the stenting not have cured his angina?
Not if the stents all missed the culprit lesion which can be in a tiny
> >> probably have four blocked arteries after an exercise EKG. They did an
> >> angiogram and fitted four stents.
> >> Another fitter friend of 66 first had a stent fitted in 1994 and this
> >> year has twice had another three stents fitted. Even after that he still
> >> has angina.
> Should the stenting not have cured his angina?
branch vessel.
Robert Miles
Nov 1, 2011, 12:56:38 AM11/1/11
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block the usual way of reaching the place where the new stent
needs to be.
Robert Preston
Nov 1, 2011, 2:17:53 AM11/1/11
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is to
> the heart by holding to the
> right daily amount (32 oz) of food.
Untrue.
The diet invented by Andrew B. Chung, is only one of many available
dietary options.
Take into consideration though; that there isn't a single bit of
obtainable empirical clinical evidence, to support Andrew B. Chung's
opinion of the diet he invented.
Nor is there a single licensed nutritionist or dietitian who's on on
record having supported Andrew B. Chung's opinion of the diet he
invented.
Nor is there a single theologian, Bible scholar or historian who will
back up Andrew B. Chung's opinion of what an "omer" weighs, or any of
Andrew B. Chung's other opinions as to how the Bible supposedly
applies directly to the diet he invented.
All you really have to go by regarding the diet invented by Andrew B
Chung, is nothing more than Andrew B. Chung's opinions and personal
claims.
Andrew B. Chung will claim that the diet he invented was the result of
a vision form God, however he didn't start making this claim until
about five years after its 1998 inception.
He will also claim it's not a diet, even though he called it a diet
until about five years after its 1998 inception.
> happened in 1997 during the viewing of an IMAX
> Mt.Everest documentary that started playing at the Tennessee
> Aquarium **before** 1996:
Untrue.
The release date for the IMAX documentary "Everest" was, 6 March 1998.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120661/releaseinfo
Andrew B. Chung wrote:
> 2 pound diet
> [I] Dr. Chung invented this approach
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/fd713904...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
In his most recent video, he appears completely emaciated with swollen
belly (ascites), glazed eyes and waist long greasy hair. Andrew B.
Chung appears to be deteriorating into something reminiscent of Howard
Hughes' psychical condition towards the end of his life.
Of his eating disorder Andrew B. Chung says:
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier
Suggested reading:
NIMH (National Institute of Mental Health) Eating Disorders:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/eating-disorders/complete-index.shtml
> [I'm] Simply smarter as evident by the MD/PhD
It's a shame those smarts didn't withstand the test of time.
Hunger is starvation and malnutrition
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/index.shtml
> Hunger is not a sensation.
Macmillan dictionary: Hunger
1. The feeling that you have when you need to eat something
2. A lack of food that can cause illness or death
Webster dictionary: Hunger:
To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
death... starve"
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 1, 2011, 3:43:49 AM11/1/11
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hypertrophy (LVH) that is associated with severe aortic stenosis to
reduce the specificity of stress testing (i.e. increase the false
positive rate).
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
Malachi
Nov 1, 2011, 5:29:55 AM11/1/11
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Self-accursed lying "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" deliriously wrote:
> > > Laus Deo for His continuing to curse you.
>
> > A lie and blasphemy.
>
> Neither.
>
> Praising GOD is neither a lie nor blasphemy.
The Lie:
God is not cursing anyone based upon Andrew B. Chung's personal grudge
against them.
The Blasphemy:
Andrew B. Chung misrepresenting God as being Andrew B. Chung's
personal henchman, who supposedly operates according to Andrew B.
Chung's malicious will.
> May GOD ever increase His curse upon you and all who know you.
A true disciple of Christ doesn't desire such things, even for their
enemies.
Chung must be praying to Satan.
Poor Andrew B. Chung has brought so much misery upon himself, and he's
only making it worse.
Indeed, this is what a self-accursed life looks like:
Andrew B. Chung was fired from his one and only verifiable job as a
physician.
> As were Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego (Daniel 3:26 :-)
Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego were not physicians, Ocala, FL is not
Babylon, Frank Hildner, MD is not the King of Babylon. In fact,
there's no comparison whatsoever.
Truth is simple reality :-)
Andrew B. Chung was kicked out of the only church it's been verified
he's ever attended.
> As were John and Peter according to what is written in the Bible (Acts
> 4:21 :-)
The condemned demolished Jewish Temple and its Pharisees was not the
Church built by Christ (Matthew 16:18) and the Body of Christ
fellowshipping in it, who expelled Andrew B. Chung as false disciple
who was sowing discord, as the Bible commanded them.
Truth is simple reality :-)
According to the Google groups archives, his wife left him.
> This physician's wife remains with him as evident by the gold wedding
> band on his left ring finger:
A leftover ring from a failed marriage worn by someone who wants to
appear as still married in his exhibitionist videos, is not a wife.
Truth is simply reality :-)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
In his most recent video, he appears completely emaciated with swollen
belly (ascites), glazed eyes and waist long greasy hair. Andrew B.
Chung appears to be deteriorating into something reminiscent of Howard
Hughes' psychical condition towards the end of his life.
According to the information contained in his own blog, the diet he
invented in 1998 has gone absolutely nowhere since 2005 (the blog's
last update). And never really went anywhere before that. No outside
sources mention anything whatsoever about it (this excludes 2 or 3
acquaintances/sockpuppets, his own writings and his misinterpretations
of the Bible and how God operates).
Obsessively compulsively spams the verbatim loquacious convoluted
pseudo-christian pseudo-scientific
gobbledygook nonsense repetitiously at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 am daily.
Andrew B. Chung, alienated, ostracized and driven insane by pride and
malnutrition, reaping bad fruit of the cursed harvest he has sown.
Matthew 5:11 doesn't apply to false-christians like Andrew B. Chung,
but Matthew 13:36-43 and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 sure does.
Hopefully Chung doesn't end up flushing his soul away the way he did
his MD/PhD.
There's still hope for his soul and his earthly future, if he'll stop
deluding himself.
--
Being able to say "Jesus is Lord" doesn't mean you're really a
Christian:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.theology/msg/c1f6ebf342c74740?hl=en
Hunger is starvation and malnutrition
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/index.shtml
> Hunger is not a sensation.
Macmillan dictionary: Hunger
1. The feeling (sensation) that you have when you need to eat
> > > Laus Deo for His continuing to curse you.
>
> > A lie and blasphemy.
>
> Neither.
>
> Praising GOD is neither a lie nor blasphemy.
The Lie:
God is not cursing anyone based upon Andrew B. Chung's personal grudge
against them.
The Blasphemy:
Andrew B. Chung misrepresenting God as being Andrew B. Chung's
personal henchman, who supposedly operates according to Andrew B.
Chung's malicious will.
> May GOD ever increase His curse upon you and all who know you.
A true disciple of Christ doesn't desire such things, even for their
enemies.
Chung must be praying to Satan.
Poor Andrew B. Chung has brought so much misery upon himself, and he's
only making it worse.
Indeed, this is what a self-accursed life looks like:
Andrew B. Chung was fired from his one and only verifiable job as a
physician.
> As were Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego (Daniel 3:26 :-)
Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego were not physicians, Ocala, FL is not
Babylon, Frank Hildner, MD is not the King of Babylon. In fact,
there's no comparison whatsoever.
Truth is simple reality :-)
Andrew B. Chung was kicked out of the only church it's been verified
he's ever attended.
> As were John and Peter according to what is written in the Bible (Acts
> 4:21 :-)
The condemned demolished Jewish Temple and its Pharisees was not the
Church built by Christ (Matthew 16:18) and the Body of Christ
fellowshipping in it, who expelled Andrew B. Chung as false disciple
who was sowing discord, as the Bible commanded them.
Truth is simple reality :-)
According to the Google groups archives, his wife left him.
> This physician's wife remains with him as evident by the gold wedding
> band on his left ring finger:
A leftover ring from a failed marriage worn by someone who wants to
appear as still married in his exhibitionist videos, is not a wife.
Truth is simply reality :-)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
In his most recent video, he appears completely emaciated with swollen
belly (ascites), glazed eyes and waist long greasy hair. Andrew B.
Chung appears to be deteriorating into something reminiscent of Howard
Hughes' psychical condition towards the end of his life.
invented in 1998 has gone absolutely nowhere since 2005 (the blog's
last update). And never really went anywhere before that. No outside
sources mention anything whatsoever about it (this excludes 2 or 3
acquaintances/sockpuppets, his own writings and his misinterpretations
of the Bible and how God operates).
Obsessively compulsively spams the verbatim loquacious convoluted
pseudo-christian pseudo-scientific
gobbledygook nonsense repetitiously at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 am daily.
Andrew B. Chung, alienated, ostracized and driven insane by pride and
malnutrition, reaping bad fruit of the cursed harvest he has sown.
Matthew 5:11 doesn't apply to false-christians like Andrew B. Chung,
but Matthew 13:36-43 and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 sure does.
Hopefully Chung doesn't end up flushing his soul away the way he did
his MD/PhD.
There's still hope for his soul and his earthly future, if he'll stop
deluding himself.
--
Being able to say "Jesus is Lord" doesn't mean you're really a
Christian:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.theology/msg/c1f6ebf342c74740?hl=en
Hunger is starvation and malnutrition
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/index.shtml
> Hunger is not a sensation.
Macmillan dictionary: Hunger
Derek F
Nov 1, 2011, 6:30:16 AM11/1/11
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The Guy with seven Stents was told by his cardiologist that his 1994
stent was beginning to fur up but not to worry too much about it.
Derek
BGK
Nov 1, 2011, 7:04:32 AM11/1/11
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On Oct 31, 9:56 pm, Robert Miles <mile...@Usenet-News.net> wrote:
>
> I suspect that part of it is that an earlier stent can sometimes
> block the usual way of reaching the place where the new stent
> needs to be.
It's fun pretending this is an actual cardiology newsgroup, instead of
>
> I suspect that part of it is that an earlier stent can sometimes
> block the usual way of reaching the place where the new stent
> needs to be.
the train wreck Andrew B. Chung turned it into, huh?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 4, 2011, 3:46:11 AM11/4/11
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which arises from overeating.
The absolutely only healthy way to lose the VAT is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
(Proverbs 4:23) the heart by holding to the right amount (32 oz) of
daily food thereby stopping the overeating.
Robert Preston
Nov 4, 2011, 9:19:32 AM11/4/11
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is to
> the heart by holding to the
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
In his most recent video, he appears completely emaciated with swollen
belly (ascites), glazed eyes and waist long greasy hair. Andrew B.
Chung appears to be deteriorating into something reminiscent of Howard
Hughes' psychical condition towards the end of his life.
In his most recent video, he appears completely emaciated with swollen
belly (ascites), glazed eyes and waist long greasy hair. Andrew B.
Chung appears to be deteriorating into something reminiscent of Howard
Hughes' psychical condition towards the end of his life.
Of his eating disorder Andrew B. Chung says:
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier
Suggested reading:
NIMH (National Institute of Mental Health) Eating Disorders:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/eating-disorders/complete-index.shtml
> [I'm] Simply smarter as evident by the MD/PhD
It's a shame those smarts didn't withstand the test of time.
NIMH (National Institute of Mental Health) Eating Disorders:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/eating-disorders/complete-index.shtml
> [I'm] Simply smarter as evident by the MD/PhD
It's a shame those smarts didn't withstand the test of time.
Robert Miles
Nov 5, 2011, 10:20:51 PM11/5/11
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actual cardiology newsgroup, because you like it the way
it is?
BGK
Nov 6, 2011, 12:25:50 AM11/6/11
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no intent one way or another.
And let's just say that I'm not holding my breath. However, you and
"Derek F" just might pleasantly surprise me...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 6, 2011, 12:27:52 AM11/6/11
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Robert Miles wrote:
> an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
as accursed lying sockpuppets fail to drive the last cardiologist away
from participating :-)
Laus Deo :-)
> an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
> > Robert Miles wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I suspect that part of it is that an earlier stent can sometimes
> >> block the usual way of reaching the place where the new stent
> >> needs to be.
> >
> > It's fun pretending this is an actual cardiology newsgroup, instead of
> > the train wreck Andrew B. Chung turned it into, huh?
>
> So you aren't interested in trying to turn it back into an
> actual cardiology newsgroup, because you like it the way
> it is?
This newsgroup will always be an actual cardiology newsgroup as long
> >
> >>
> >> I suspect that part of it is that an earlier stent can sometimes
> >> block the usual way of reaching the place where the new stent
> >> needs to be.
> >
> > It's fun pretending this is an actual cardiology newsgroup, instead of
> > the train wreck Andrew B. Chung turned it into, huh?
>
> So you aren't interested in trying to turn it back into an
> actual cardiology newsgroup, because you like it the way
> it is?
as accursed lying sockpuppets fail to drive the last cardiologist away
from participating :-)
Laus Deo :-)
Robert Preston
Nov 6, 2011, 1:36:44 AM11/6/11
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On Nov 5, 9:27 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> This newsgroup will always be an actual cardiology newsgroup as long
> as accursed lying sockpuppets fail to drive the last cardiologist away
> from participating :-)
They're just having fun poking Chung with a stick. Making him jump
through hoops. Watching him continue to meltdown and unravel. Because
Chung is a purely evil deranged girly-man drama queen.
If there's a more proactive agenda in mind, it would be Chung finally
cracking to the point where he is placed into a mental health
institution. Which all feel is long overdue.
Any actual serious online cardiology discussions have of course long
since moved away from antiquated Usenet, onto modern moderated forums.
Such forums eject Chung, the same as his only medical employer ejected
him, the same as the only church he ever attended ejected him.
--
Being able to say "Jesus is Lord" doesn't mean you're really a
Christian:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.theology/msg/c1f6ebf342c74740?hl=en
wrote:
> This newsgroup will always be an actual cardiology newsgroup as long
> as accursed lying sockpuppets fail to drive the last cardiologist away
> from participating :-)
through hoops. Watching him continue to meltdown and unravel. Because
Chung is a purely evil deranged girly-man drama queen.
If there's a more proactive agenda in mind, it would be Chung finally
cracking to the point where he is placed into a mental health
institution. Which all feel is long overdue.
Any actual serious online cardiology discussions have of course long
since moved away from antiquated Usenet, onto modern moderated forums.
Such forums eject Chung, the same as his only medical employer ejected
him, the same as the only church he ever attended ejected him.
--
Being able to say "Jesus is Lord" doesn't mean you're really a
Christian:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.theology/msg/c1f6ebf342c74740?hl=en
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 9, 2011, 7:03:39 PM11/9/11
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Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Derek F wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Derek F wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Derek F wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
> > > >
> > > > By weighing benefit versus risk of the procedure.
> > > >
> > > > Bypass surgery is riskier than a stenting interventional procedure.
> > > >
> > > One reply I had from a cardiology nurse I posed the question to was that
> > > it depended where the blockage was.
> >
> > Regardless of the location of the blockage, bypass surgery is riskier
> > than a stenting interventional procedure.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Bypass surgery is riskier than a stenting interventional procedure.
> > > >
> > > One reply I had from a cardiology nurse I posed the question to was that
> > > it depended where the blockage was.
> >
> > Regardless of the location of the blockage, bypass surgery is riskier
> > than a stenting interventional procedure.
> >
> > > >> A friend who is 76 and severely diabetic and has angina was found to
> > > >> probably have four blocked arteries after an exercise EKG. They did an
> > > >> angiogram and fitted four stents.
> > > >> Another fitter friend of 66 first had a stent fitted in 1994 and this
> > > >> year has twice had another three stents fitted. Even after that he still
> > > >> has angina.
> >
> > > >> probably have four blocked arteries after an exercise EKG. They did an
> > > >> angiogram and fitted four stents.
> > > >> Another fitter friend of 66 first had a stent fitted in 1994 and this
> > > >> year has twice had another three stents fitted. Even after that he still
> > > >> has angina.
> >
> > > Should the stenting not have cured his angina?
> >
> > Not if the stents all missed the culprit lesion which can be in a tiny
> > branch vessel.
> >
> >
> > Not if the stents all missed the culprit lesion which can be in a tiny
> > branch vessel.
> >
> > > >> I, a reasonably fit 77 was diagnosed with aortic stenosis earlier this
> > > >> year. Previously I had two false positive exercise EKG's. A recent
> > > >> dobutamine stress and exercise echo cardiogram again indicated two
> > > >> blocked arteries. Prior to having an angiogram last week the
> > > >> cardiologist said that if the arteries were found to be blocked they
> > > >> would not stent them but bypass them when they replace the aortic valve.
> > > >> In the event my arteries were again found to be clear.
> > > >> This by the way is under the British NHS.
> > > >
> > > >> year. Previously I had two false positive exercise EKG's. A recent
> > > >> dobutamine stress and exercise echo cardiogram again indicated two
> > > >> blocked arteries. Prior to having an angiogram last week the
> > > >> cardiologist said that if the arteries were found to be blocked they
> > > >> would not stent them but bypass them when they replace the aortic valve.
> > > >> In the event my arteries were again found to be clear.
> > > >> This by the way is under the British NHS.
> > > >
> > > > One surgical operation with both bypass grafting and aortic valve
> > > > replacement is less risky than the staged procedure of stenting
> > > > followed by aortic valve surgery because of the perioperative need for
> > > > antiplatelet medications to keep clots from forming in the
> > > > drug-eluting stents that would dramatically increase the risk of
> > > > perioperative bleeding.
>
> Another thought, it is not uncommon for the left ventricular
> hypertrophy (LVH) that is associated with severe aortic stenosis to
> reduce the specificity of stress testing (i.e. increase the false
> positive rate).
Source:
> > > > replacement is less risky than the staged procedure of stenting
> > > > followed by aortic valve surgery because of the perioperative need for
> > > > antiplatelet medications to keep clots from forming in the
> > > > drug-eluting stents that would dramatically increase the risk of
> > > > perioperative bleeding.
>
> Another thought, it is not uncommon for the left ventricular
> hypertrophy (LVH) that is associated with severe aortic stenosis to
> reduce the specificity of stress testing (i.e. increase the false
> positive rate).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fd4cccef8470dd2a?
All the above are consequences of having VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue)
which arises from overeating.
The absolutely only healthy way to lose the VAT is to http://WDJW.net
the heart by holding to the right amount (32 oz) of daily food thereby
stopping the overeating.
stopping the overeating.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 9, 2011, 10:59:30 PM11/9/11
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Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Derek F wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Derek F wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Derek F wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> How is the decision reached to stent a patient rather to do a bypass?
> > > >
> > > > By weighing benefit versus risk of the procedure.
> > > >
> > > > Bypass surgery is riskier than a stenting interventional procedure.
> > > >
> > > One reply I had from a cardiology nurse I posed the question to was that
> > > it depended where the blockage was.
> >
> > Regardless of the location of the blockage, bypass surgery is riskier
> > than a stenting interventional procedure.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Bypass surgery is riskier than a stenting interventional procedure.
> > > >
> > > One reply I had from a cardiology nurse I posed the question to was that
> > > it depended where the blockage was.
> >
> > Regardless of the location of the blockage, bypass surgery is riskier
> > than a stenting interventional procedure.
> >
> > > >> A friend who is 76 and severely diabetic and has angina was found to
> > > >> probably have four blocked arteries after an exercise EKG. They did an
> > > >> angiogram and fitted four stents.
> > > >> Another fitter friend of 66 first had a stent fitted in 1994 and this
> > > >> year has twice had another three stents fitted. Even after that he still
> > > >> has angina.
> >
> > > >> probably have four blocked arteries after an exercise EKG. They did an
> > > >> angiogram and fitted four stents.
> > > >> Another fitter friend of 66 first had a stent fitted in 1994 and this
> > > >> year has twice had another three stents fitted. Even after that he still
> > > >> has angina.
> >
> > > Should the stenting not have cured his angina?
> >
> > Not if the stents all missed the culprit lesion which can be in a tiny
> > branch vessel.
> >
> >
> > Not if the stents all missed the culprit lesion which can be in a tiny
> > branch vessel.
> >
> > > >> I, a reasonably fit 77 was diagnosed with aortic stenosis earlier this
> > > >> year. Previously I had two false positive exercise EKG's. A recent
> > > >> dobutamine stress and exercise echo cardiogram again indicated two
> > > >> blocked arteries. Prior to having an angiogram last week the
> > > >> cardiologist said that if the arteries were found to be blocked they
> > > >> would not stent them but bypass them when they replace the aortic valve.
> > > >> In the event my arteries were again found to be clear.
> > > >> This by the way is under the British NHS.
> > > >
> > > >> year. Previously I had two false positive exercise EKG's. A recent
> > > >> dobutamine stress and exercise echo cardiogram again indicated two
> > > >> blocked arteries. Prior to having an angiogram last week the
> > > >> cardiologist said that if the arteries were found to be blocked they
> > > >> would not stent them but bypass them when they replace the aortic valve.
> > > >> In the event my arteries were again found to be clear.
> > > >> This by the way is under the British NHS.
> > > >
> > > > One surgical operation with both bypass grafting and aortic valve
> > > > replacement is less risky than the staged procedure of stenting
> > > > followed by aortic valve surgery because of the perioperative need for
> > > > antiplatelet medications to keep clots from forming in the
> > > > drug-eluting stents that would dramatically increase the risk of
> > > > perioperative bleeding.
>
> Another thought, it is not uncommon for the left ventricular
> hypertrophy (LVH) that is associated with severe aortic stenosis to
> reduce the specificity of stress testing (i.e. increase the false
> positive rate).
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fd4cccef8470dd2a?
All the above are consequences of having VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue)
which arises from overeating.
The absolutely only healthy way to lose the VAT is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > replacement is less risky than the staged procedure of stenting
> > > > followed by aortic valve surgery because of the perioperative need for
> > > > antiplatelet medications to keep clots from forming in the
> > > > drug-eluting stents that would dramatically increase the risk of
> > > > perioperative bleeding.
>
> Another thought, it is not uncommon for the left ventricular
> hypertrophy (LVH) that is associated with severe aortic stenosis to
> reduce the specificity of stress testing (i.e. increase the false
> positive rate).
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fd4cccef8470dd2a?
All the above are consequences of having VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue)
which arises from overeating.
(Proverbs 4:23) the heart by holding to the right amount (32 oz) of
Robert Preston
Nov 10, 2011, 1:03:25 AM11/10/11
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> Yes, **life-long** right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm, MU,
> **and** Rod Eastman are doing
LOL considering both Chung and "MU" (Courtney) look like someone in
the final stages of malnutrition, AIDS or terminal cancer. Gaunt.
Swollen belly. Hair loss for "MU". Lack of hygiene (filthy greasy
below waist length hair) for Andrew. Spaced out glazed eyes. Doesn't
look like a long life for either of them. Lone, yes. long, no.
Chris Malcolm and Rod Eastman have clearly demonstrated that without
developing a pathological disorder,
they are unable to maintain the 2PD diet flop.
> Yes, **life-long** right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm, MU,
> **and** Rod Eastman are doing
LOL considering both Chung and "MU" (Courtney) look like someone in
the final stages of malnutrition, AIDS or terminal cancer. Gaunt.
Swollen belly. Hair loss for "MU". Lack of hygiene (filthy greasy
below waist length hair) for Andrew. Spaced out glazed eyes. Doesn't
look like a long life for either of them. Lone, yes. long, no.
Chris Malcolm and Rod Eastman have clearly demonstrated that without
developing a pathological disorder,
they are unable to maintain the 2PD diet flop.
Robert Preston
Nov 10, 2011, 1:02:23 AM11/10/11
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Webster dictionary: Hunger:
To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
death... starve
"Andrew B. Chung" lied:
To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
death... starve
> Hunger is not a sensation.
Macmillan dictionary: Hunger:
1. The feeling (sensation) that you have when you need to eat
something
2. A lack of food that can cause illness or death
> a burning...gnawing sensation
Correct.
> Foolishly
> Be hungrier
No thanks. We've seen how it's ruined you :-)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 10, 2011, 1:12:31 AM11/10/11
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an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
>
>
> Webster dictionary: Hunger:
>
> To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
> death... starve
Delusion.
>
> To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
> death... starve
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9640d01d3a577445?
> Macmillan: Hunger (noun)
> ?
> the feeling that you have when you need to eat something
Same delusion.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29c54da667a5fa0f?
If this deluded definition were correct, it means that those of us who
have had hunger ever since using the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach
14 years ago have needed to eat something for that long.
In the interim, we have been eating the right amount (32 oz) of daily
food.
Therefore, the Macmillan definition of hunger is also delusionally
wrong.
What is the correct definition?
food.
How do we use the word hunger correctly in sentences?
(1) A boy, who has hunger, wants to eat and is able to eat.
(2) Each person feels hunger in their heart differently for each
person's heart is different. Some feel it to be a burning sensation,
others a gnawing sensation, and still others an empty sensation.
(3) Foolishly eating rancid meat stops hunger.
Again, the bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9640d01d3a577445?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 10, 2011, 1:13:34 AM11/10/11
to
an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
>
>
> Webster dictionary: Hunger:
>
> To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
> death... starve
>
> To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
> death... starve
Delusion.
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9640d01d3a577445?
> Macmillan: Hunger (noun)
> ?
> the feeling that you have when you need to eat something
Same delusion.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29c54da667a5fa0f?
If this deluded definition were correct, it means that those of us who
have had hunger ever since using the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach
14 years ago have needed to eat something for that long.
In the interim, we have been eating the right amount (32 oz) of daily
food.
Therefore, the Macmillan definition of hunger is also delusionally
wrong.
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9640d01d3a577445?
> Macmillan: Hunger (noun)
> ?
> the feeling that you have when you need to eat something
Same delusion.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29c54da667a5fa0f?
If this deluded definition were correct, it means that those of us who
have had hunger ever since using the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach
14 years ago have needed to eat something for that long.
In the interim, we have been eating the right amount (32 oz) of daily
food.
Therefore, the Macmillan definition of hunger is also delusionally
wrong.
What is the correct definition?
Rod Eastman
Nov 10, 2011, 5:35:47 AM11/10/11
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
In his most recent video, he appears completely emaciated with swollen
belly (ascites), glazed eyes and waist long greasy hair. Andrew B.
Chung appears to be deteriorating into something reminiscent of Howard
Hughes' psychical condition towards the end of his life.
In his most recent video, he appears completely emaciated with swollen
belly (ascites), glazed eyes and waist long greasy hair. Andrew B.
Chung appears to be deteriorating into something reminiscent of Howard
Hughes' psychical condition towards the end of his life.
According to the information contained in his own blog, the diet he
invented in 1998 has gone absolutely nowhere since 2005 (the blog's
last update). And never really went anywhere before that. No outside
sources mention anything whatsoever about it (this excludes 2 or 3
acquaintances/sockpuppets, his own writings and his misinterpretations
of the Bible and how God operates).
Obsessively compulsively spams the verbatim loquacious convoluted
pseudo-christian pseudo-scientific
gobbledygook nonsense repetitiously at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 am daily.
Andrew B. Chung, alienated, ostracized and driven insane by pride and
malnutrition, reaping bad fruit of the cursed harvest he has sown.
Matthew 5:11 doesn't apply to false-christians like Andrew B. Chung,
but Matthew 13:36-43 and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 sure does.
Hopefully Chung doesn't end up flushing his soul away the way he did
his MD/PhD.
There's still hope for his soul and his earthly future, if he'll stop
deluding himself.
invented in 1998 has gone absolutely nowhere since 2005 (the blog's
last update). And never really went anywhere before that. No outside
sources mention anything whatsoever about it (this excludes 2 or 3
acquaintances/sockpuppets, his own writings and his misinterpretations
of the Bible and how God operates).
Obsessively compulsively spams the verbatim loquacious convoluted
pseudo-christian pseudo-scientific
gobbledygook nonsense repetitiously at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 am daily.
Andrew B. Chung, alienated, ostracized and driven insane by pride and
malnutrition, reaping bad fruit of the cursed harvest he has sown.
Matthew 5:11 doesn't apply to false-christians like Andrew B. Chung,
but Matthew 13:36-43 and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 sure does.
Hopefully Chung doesn't end up flushing his soul away the way he did
his MD/PhD.
There's still hope for his soul and his earthly future, if he'll stop
deluding himself.
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Nov 10, 2011, 9:38:22 AM11/10/11
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nov 11, 2011, 11:38:44 PM11/11/11
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an accursed sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Claire wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > >> With all due love (Ro13:8) and kindness (Ep4:32), can you, Claire,
> > >> publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with your mouth?
> >
> > >Andrew, I've got no need to get into trying to prove my evangelical
> > >credentials here that is hot air since we can all talk the talk
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > It is written that we are to prove all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
> >
> > Moreover, it is also written that "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD'
> > except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Corinthians 12:3)
>
> Indeed, it is sad that Rod Eastman is completely unable/unwilling to
> *publicly* say "Jesus is Lord" with his mouth on You Tube.
Only the accursed are not able to go to http://WDJW.net to witness Rod
Eastman publicly say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth (Romans 10:9).
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c89eefe58adf2068?
an accursed lying sockpuppet wrote:
>
> Webster dictionary: Hunger:
>
> To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
> death... starve
Delusion.
>
> To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
> death... starve
Those who suffer from this delusion are most definitely accursed (2
Thessalonians 2:11).
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9640d01d3a577445?
> Macmillan: Hunger (noun)
> ?
Same delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:11).
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/29c54da667a5fa0f?
If this deluded definition were correct, it means that those of us who
have had hunger ever since using the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach
14 years ago have needed to eat something for that long.
In the interim, we have been eating the right amount (32 oz) of daily
food.
Therefore, the Macmillan definition of hunger is also delusionally
wrong.
What is the correct definition?
Matthew James Lester
Nov 11, 2011, 11:45:14 PM11/11/11
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>
>
> > > Only the accursed are not able to go tohttp://WDJW.net
>
> > You look like a girl.
>
>
> Little Miss Chung sat on her bony butt, daintily spooning her girly
> Yoplait.
ROFL
Mr. Jayne Cobb
Nov 12, 2011, 5:28:22 AM11/12/11
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" blundered:
> (2) Each person feels hunger in their heart
GSI is right, Chung knows nothing about medicine or anatomy, ah ha.
People feel hunger in their *stomach* ROFL
And Happy Oyster is right about hunger killing Andrew B. Chung's brain
cells, wahahaha.
> [I'm] Simply smarter as evident by the MD/PhD
It's a shame those smarts didn't withstand the test of time.
something
2. A lack of food that can cause illness or death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0VzMKyeLY
> (2) Each person feels hunger in their heart
People feel hunger in their *stomach* ROFL
And Happy Oyster is right about hunger killing Andrew B. Chung's brain
cells, wahahaha.
> [I'm] Simply smarter as evident by the MD/PhD
It's a shame those smarts didn't withstand the test of time.
--
Being able to say "Jesus is Lord" doesn't mean you're really a
Christian:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.theology/msg/c1f6ebf342c74740?hl=en
Hunger is starvation and malnutrition
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/index.shtml
> Hunger is not a sensation.
Macmillan dictionary: Hunger
1. The feeling (sensation) that you have when you need to eat
Being able to say "Jesus is Lord" doesn't mean you're really a
Christian:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.theology/msg/c1f6ebf342c74740?hl=en
Hunger is starvation and malnutrition
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/index.shtml
> Hunger is not a sensation.
Macmillan dictionary: Hunger
something
2. A lack of food that can cause illness or death
Webster dictionary: Hunger:
To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
death... starve
Bottom line regarding Andrew B. Chung:
To cause to suffer severely from hunger... to cause to starve to
death... starve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0VzMKyeLY
Rod
Nov 16, 2011, 10:12:33 PM11/16/11
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On 11/10/2011 12:03 AM, Robert Preston wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>
>> Yes, **life-long** right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm, MU,
>> **and** Rod Eastman are doing
>
> LOL considering both Chung and "MU" (Courtney) look like someone in
> the final stages of malnutrition, AIDS or terminal cancer. Gaunt.
> Swollen belly. Hair loss for "MU". Lack of hygiene (filthy greasy
> below waist length hair) for Andrew. Spaced out glazed eyes. Doesn't
> look like a long life for either of them. Lone, yes. long, no.
>
> Chris Malcolm and Rod Eastman have clearly demonstrated that without
> developing a pathological disorder,
> they are unable to maintain the 2PD diet flop.
Very untrue in my case. I tackled the diet to quickly and began to
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>
>> Yes, **life-long** right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm, MU,
>> **and** Rod Eastman are doing
>
> LOL considering both Chung and "MU" (Courtney) look like someone in
> the final stages of malnutrition, AIDS or terminal cancer. Gaunt.
> Swollen belly. Hair loss for "MU". Lack of hygiene (filthy greasy
> below waist length hair) for Andrew. Spaced out glazed eyes. Doesn't
> look like a long life for either of them. Lone, yes. long, no.
>
> Chris Malcolm and Rod Eastman have clearly demonstrated that without
> developing a pathological disorder,
> they are unable to maintain the 2PD diet flop.
drop weight to quickly. I am still on the diet and progressing slowly
allowing time for my body to adjust.
As for your statement above, you have ZERO idea of what you are
flapping your gums about ! Kindly shut the hell up!
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