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lonelydad
Mar 16, 2019, 8:40:59 PM3/16/19
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Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
don't ya know!)
So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
receive updates until the hardware just can't take it any more.Since I
mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic DayTimer and ebook reader, with a
little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
So, should I do this while I have the opportunity? I don't need diehard
fans of either persuasion telling me that either I am an idiot, or thank
god I finally saw the light. I would like to hear from those of you who
have experience in working with a mixed system like this - what to do to
make it work, and what NOT to do.
A final note: I like Android. From my experience with son's I-Phone and
reading I have done, I think it is at least equal to, if not better than,
the Apple UI. I'm just tired of being behind the curve on the OS.
problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
don't ya know!)
So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
receive updates until the hardware just can't take it any more.Since I
mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic DayTimer and ebook reader, with a
little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
So, should I do this while I have the opportunity? I don't need diehard
fans of either persuasion telling me that either I am an idiot, or thank
god I finally saw the light. I would like to hear from those of you who
have experience in working with a mixed system like this - what to do to
make it work, and what NOT to do.
A final note: I like Android. From my experience with son's I-Phone and
reading I have done, I think it is at least equal to, if not better than,
the Apple UI. I'm just tired of being behind the curve on the OS.
Mike Easter
Mar 16, 2019, 8:54:34 PM3/16/19
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lonelydad wrote:
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
I don't think that is as much a threat as you imagine. But, you would
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
have to support your contention that 'some of your apps' (unstated
which) aren't going to run with android 6.1 'soon' (or in time). Name
your apps and explain why you think 6.1 won't support them long (enough).
> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
> don't ya know!)
> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2,
--
Mike Easter
Mike Easter
Mar 16, 2019, 9:19:48 PM3/16/19
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lonelydad wrote:
> Android 6.1,
ITYM android 6.0.1 last v. released 2015 Dec.
The Nexus 7 can (also) use LineageOS which allows it to 'be' a higher v.
of android.
--
Mike Easter
> Android 6.1,
ITYM android 6.0.1 last v. released 2015 Dec.
The Nexus 7 can (also) use LineageOS which allows it to 'be' a higher v.
of android.
--
Mike Easter
nospam
Mar 16, 2019, 9:24:39 PM3/16/19
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In article <XnsAA14C8394E4F2l...@69.16.179.29>,
> So, should I do this while I have the opportunity? I don't need diehard
> fans of either persuasion telling me that either I am an idiot, or thank
> god I finally saw the light. I would like to hear from those of you who
> have experience in working with a mixed system like this - what to do to
> make it work, and what NOT to do.
why do you consider that a mixed system?
also, there is a very good chance that there will be new ipads
announced in about a week, which will have the effect of reducing
prices of existing models.
> A final note: I like Android. From my experience with son's I-Phone and
> reading I have done, I think it is at least equal to, if not better than,
> the Apple UI. I'm just tired of being behind the curve on the OS.
there are advantages and disadvantages to each. nothing is perfect.
lonelydad <lonel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
> will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
> receive updates until the hardware just can't take it any more. Since I
> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
> will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
> mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic DayTimer and ebook reader, with a
> little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
> forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
> have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
itunes is not required.
> little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
> forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
> have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
> So, should I do this while I have the opportunity? I don't need diehard
> fans of either persuasion telling me that either I am an idiot, or thank
> god I finally saw the light. I would like to hear from those of you who
> have experience in working with a mixed system like this - what to do to
> make it work, and what NOT to do.
also, there is a very good chance that there will be new ipads
announced in about a week, which will have the effect of reducing
prices of existing models.
> A final note: I like Android. From my experience with son's I-Phone and
> reading I have done, I think it is at least equal to, if not better than,
> the Apple UI. I'm just tired of being behind the curve on the OS.
123456789
Mar 16, 2019, 9:33:57 PM3/16/19
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lonelydad wrote:
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an
> Asus S 8, The problem is that they are both stuck at
> Android 6.1, having been abandoned at that level. Right
> now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with
> that level of OS. And my budget does not allow me to
> spend the money to buy a Pixel so that it can at least
> be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement
> income, don't ya know!) So right now, I have an
> opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which will
> run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to
> continue to receive updates until the hardware just can't
> take it any more.
> Since I mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic
> DayTimer and ebook reader, with a little music and a
> couple of movies...
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an
> Asus S 8, The problem is that they are both stuck at
> Android 6.1, having been abandoned at that level. Right
> now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with
> that level of OS. And my budget does not allow me to
> spend the money to buy a Pixel so that it can at least
> be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement
> income, don't ya know!) So right now, I have an
> opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which will
> run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to
> continue to receive updates until the hardware just can't
> take it any more.
> Since I mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic
> DayTimer and ebook reader, with a little music and a
I doubt your no-longer-updated Android 6.1 devices will
stop you from doing your above activities anytime soon. My
advice is to keep them unless you just want a new toy. That's
always been my excuse ... ;)
lew
Mar 16, 2019, 9:35:03 PM3/16/19
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On 2019-03-17, lonelydad <lonel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
> don't ya know!)
>
Please note that Android 6 is being used on new e-ink ereaders.
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
> don't ya know!)
>
Android 6 does run some 'modern' apps on the e-ink readers.
> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
> will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
> receive updates until the hardware just can't take it any more.Since I
> mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic DayTimer and ebook reader, with a
> little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
> forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
> have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
>
not 'user friendly'. IOS will not recognize epub books if they are not
in the place that is retrieved from apple with an error code of
"format not recgonized" & not allow use of a different reader app for
it. ipad reviews conviently not mention that the ipad sandboxed all
apps.
apple does abandon hardware. Shortly after Mojave got installed om
my mac mini (2011/2012), apple announced no support for the mac mini
in 2018. Of course Mojave killed my mac mini when it "updated"
the file system to the new method.
> So, should I do this while I have the opportunity? I don't need diehard
> fans of either persuasion telling me that either I am an idiot, or thank
> god I finally saw the light. I would like to hear from those of you who
> have experience in working with a mixed system like this - what to do to
> make it work, and what NOT to do.
>
> A final note: I like Android. From my experience with son's I-Phone and
> reading I have done, I think it is at least equal to, if not better than,
> the Apple UI. I'm just tired of being behind the curve on the OS.
which 'killed' it as android 8 & gapps combined was too big. Found
out about & a script to increase the system partition by lowering the
cache as android 8 & 9 no longer use it(?). Any way, changed the
system partition & now my Nexus 7 (2013) is running android 9
very well. I'm using the 'official' lineage OS; there are other people
doing android for the Nexus 7.
See "https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-7-2013" & check out
the various threads on 'how to' install the TWRP recovery which will
help installs of systems much easier. Getting the system nightly
files is easy & free; so is getting the gapps (google apps) are also
free but need to get the 'right' version for the cpu as in very small,
small, medium & large & very large.
Also see "https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315679"
for a 'how to' install android 8.1 on the Nexus 7; quite detailed.
All it takes is some time to update the Nexus 7 & willingness to try
it.
Carlos E.R.
Mar 16, 2019, 9:36:05 PM3/16/19
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On 17/03/2019 01.40, lonelydad wrote:
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level.
I also have an Asus with Android 6.0.1. A ZenPad10. I don't intend to
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level.
replace it anytime soon. Money is money.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Mar 16, 2019, 9:46:36 PM3/16/19
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In article <q6k886$gur$1...@dont-email.me>, lew
epubs are fully supported on ios without needing to anything special
and you can use any app you want that supports epub, which is a
standard format, so there are quite a few options available, and not
just on ios either.
> ipad reviews conviently not mention that the ipad sandboxed all
> apps.
they do, however, sandboxing is about security and has nothing to do
with epubs. android also sandboxes apps.
<https://source.android.com/security/app-sandbox>
> apple does abandon hardware.
everyone does at some point. nothing lasts forever.
> Shortly after Mojave got installed om
> my mac mini (2011/2012), apple announced no support for the mac mini
> in 2018.
no they didn't. the mac mini 2012 is still supported.
> Of course Mojave killed my mac mini when it "updated"
> the file system to the new method.
mojave didn't do that, and if there was no support, then you would not
have been able to update to mojave in the first place.
<citrus...@google.mailer.company.invalid> wrote:
> I had an ipad 2017 & got rid of it in less than 6 months as ios was
> not 'user friendly'. IOS will not recognize epub books if they are not
> in the place that is retrieved from apple with an error code of
> "format not recgonized" & not allow use of a different reader app for
> it.
nonsense.
> I had an ipad 2017 & got rid of it in less than 6 months as ios was
> not 'user friendly'. IOS will not recognize epub books if they are not
> in the place that is retrieved from apple with an error code of
> "format not recgonized" & not allow use of a different reader app for
> it.
epubs are fully supported on ios without needing to anything special
and you can use any app you want that supports epub, which is a
standard format, so there are quite a few options available, and not
just on ios either.
> ipad reviews conviently not mention that the ipad sandboxed all
> apps.
with epubs. android also sandboxes apps.
<https://source.android.com/security/app-sandbox>
> apple does abandon hardware.
everyone does at some point. nothing lasts forever.
> Shortly after Mojave got installed om
> my mac mini (2011/2012), apple announced no support for the mac mini
> in 2018.
> Of course Mojave killed my mac mini when it "updated"
> the file system to the new method.
have been able to update to mojave in the first place.
Lloyd
Mar 16, 2019, 9:53:43 PM3/16/19
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lew <citrus...@google.mailer.company.invalid> wrote:
> On 2019-03-17, lonelydad <lonel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
>> don't ya know!)
>>
> Please note that Android 6 is being used on new e-ink ereaders.
> Android 6 does run some 'modern' apps on the e-ink readers.
>
That’s because Android 6 was the last version with e-ink support. And yes,
> On 2019-03-17, lonelydad <lonel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
>> don't ya know!)
>>
> Please note that Android 6 is being used on new e-ink ereaders.
> Android 6 does run some 'modern' apps on the e-ink readers.
>
they will run some modern apps but not others. Not necessarily a big deal
unless the one you need won’t run. For instance, my Likebook Mars won’t run
the current version of the Nook app, I have to side load a much older
version.
>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
>> will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
>> receive updates until the hardware just can't take it any more.Since I
>> mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic DayTimer and ebook reader, with a
>> little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
>> forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
>> have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
>>
> I had an ipad 2017 & got rid of it in less than 6 months as ios was
> not 'user friendly'. IOS will not recognize epub books if they are not
> in the place that is retrieved from apple with an error code of
> "format not recgonized" & not allow use of a different reader app for
> it. ipad reviews conviently not mention that the ipad sandboxed all
> apps.
>
from various sources with no problem. Usually stuff them into FBReader.
> apple does abandon hardware. Shortly after Mojave got installed om
> my mac mini (2011/2012), apple announced no support for the mac mini
> in 2018. Of course Mojave killed my mac mini when it "updated"
> the file system to the new method.
>
--
Lloyd
John B. Slocomb
Mar 16, 2019, 10:57:33 PM3/16/19
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 17:54:31 -0700, Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid>
wrote:
>lonelydad wrote:
>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
>
>I don't think that is as much a threat as you imagine. But, you would
>have to support your contention that 'some of your apps' (unstated
>which) aren't going to run with android 6.1 'soon' (or in time). Name
>your apps and explain why you think 6.1 won't support them long (enough).
>
I currently have a tablet with Android 7.1 and as I dislike the adds
that seem to be a part of free apps I have saved older versions of
apps that do not have built in adverts, several are a number of years
old and to date they all run on my tablet... and for that matter they
run on my hand phone with Android version 8.0.0.
>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
>> don't ya know!)
>
>So, if your financial resources are tight...
>
>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2,
>
>... why in the world would you consider going in that direction?
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>lonelydad wrote:
>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
>
>I don't think that is as much a threat as you imagine. But, you would
>have to support your contention that 'some of your apps' (unstated
>which) aren't going to run with android 6.1 'soon' (or in time). Name
>your apps and explain why you think 6.1 won't support them long (enough).
>
that seem to be a part of free apps I have saved older versions of
apps that do not have built in adverts, several are a number of years
old and to date they all run on my tablet... and for that matter they
run on my hand phone with Android version 8.0.0.
>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
>> don't ya know!)
>
>So, if your financial resources are tight...
>
>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2,
>
>... why in the world would you consider going in that direction?
--
John B.
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 12:20:24 AM3/17/19
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 21:24:39 -0500, nospam wrote:
> there are advantages and disadvantages to each. nothing is perfect.
Hi nospam,
> there are advantages and disadvantages to each. nothing is perfect.
The OP is most likely simply trolling, but if we take the question at face
value, my opinion, given I have had both devices & Windows 10 for years, is
that, for what the OP "says" he's doing, I would agree the hardware doesn't
matter.
Q1: Should the OP buy an iPad Air2 ... or ???? what?
A1: It makes no difference what hardware given what the OP does.
Q2: Will the iPad Air 2 work well with Windows 10?
A2. It makes no difference what hardware given what the OP does.
Since you are _different_ than the OP, I will note, for you, that the
hardware _does_ matter in _some_ ways, but for more sophisticated users
than for the OP.
For example, no iOS device comes with external card slots, where, the OP
didn't mention this so it wouldn't matter to the OP; but it might matter
for others.
Also, since you're different than the OP, I will note, for you, that the
software _does_ matter in _some_ ways, but for more sophisticated users
than for the OP.
For example, no IOS device can record WiFi signal strength over time for
all available access points, where, the OP didn't mention this so it
wouldn't matter to the OP; but it might matter for others.
In the end, I strongly suspect this thread to be a troll designed to amuse
the OP, where I simply use the thread to discuss facts with others capable
of comprehending those facts (which I'm sure you comprehend).
In short, I'm agreeing with you - with the twist that the "differences" you
speak of matter if they matter - where - to unsophisticated users such as
the OP claims to be - they won't matter.
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 12:20:26 AM3/17/19
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If we take the poster, seriously, and at face value:
a. The poster is clearly technically clueless in all ways humanly possible
b. The proof is the idiotic bullshit the poster spews about OS versions
In _my_ experience, for example, the Android version is meaningless in
terms of running apps. Almost everything "just works" no matter what the
Android version is (where I use the best of the best freeware).
Likewise, in iOS, the version is also just as meaningless (I never bother
to update my iOS devices and they work just fine - where I _prefer_ the
older versions to the newer versions anyway).
Since this poster claims to use the device for basic stuff, even the fact
it's Android or iOS is meaningless, since both platforms do the basic stuff
similarly.
And, since the poster is clearly clueless, the "interfacing" to Windows 10
for an iPad will be, for this type of poster, "about the same" as the
interfacing of Android to Windows 10 (for this type of clueless poster).
It's hard to _find_ the question in the poster's post, likely because the
post was intended only to 'stir the pot', where if I take the post at face
value, the first question "appears" to be:
Q1: Should the OP buy an iPad Air2 ... or ???? what?
And the second question appears to be:
Q2: Will the iPad Air 2 work well with Windows 10?
Since I have had both Android & iOS and Windows 10 for _years_
my answer to the two (presumed) questions, if this is real, is:
Q1: Should the OP buy an iPad Air2 ... or ???? what?
A1: It makes no difference what hardware given what the OP does.
Q2: Will the iPad Air 2 work well with Windows 10?
A2. It makes no difference what hardware given what the OP does.
o But I still think this thread is merely intended to be a troll's delight.
nospam
Mar 17, 2019, 12:21:45 AM3/17/19
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In article <q6khu6$4kj$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>
> > there are advantages and disadvantages to each. nothing is perfect.
>
>
>
> > there are advantages and disadvantages to each. nothing is perfect.
>
>
> The OP is most likely simply trolling,
he is not, but you certainly are
Andy Burns
Mar 17, 2019, 6:20:53 AM3/17/19
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lonelydad wrote:
> The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
My oldest tablet (since binning the Nexus7 2012) is a Nokia N1 which is
> The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
running 5.1 and so far has no problems with app versions.
David Taylor
Mar 17, 2019, 10:08:48 AM3/17/19
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have been disappointed with the lack of updates for the Android tablet,
whereas my iPads have had software updates more frequently. My oldest
Apple iPad is no longer supported, but I have been happy to update the
iPad hardware a couple of times. I recently updated to a Pixel 3
Android phone, and I've been delighted with that, particularly the camera.
Likely for the tasks you mention the Android tablet would remain
adequate, but I think you would be more than pleased with an iPad should
you decide to go that route. If everything else is equal, my own
preferences are for an Android phone, but for an iPad tablet. Oh,
whilst I can read Kindle books on either, I prefer a Kindle Paperwhite
for book reading!
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Lloyd Parsons
Mar 17, 2019, 10:47:36 AM3/17/19
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Likebook Mars all run older versions of Android and they do OK for all
the apps that I might use. One exception being the Nook app with the
Likebook Mars, just won't run the latest version of the Nook app.
Much of my reading is on the Likebook Mars because of the e-ink screen.
All of my Android tablets are a bit laggy compared to my iPads but not
horribly so though the Likebook Mars is much more laggy than the other
Android tablets.
A big plus for the iPads is that the equivalent ebook reading apps are
better presented with smoother operation and font rendering. And in
most cases the ebook apps are more fully featured.
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 11:16:11 AM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 00:21:45 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> The OP is most likely simply trolling,
>
> he is not, but you certainly are
Hi nospam,
>> The OP is most likely simply trolling,
>
> he is not, but you certainly are
Not only are your worthless tired old fifth-grade-level jokes simply
proving the mind that you happen to own, but, more importantly,
some day you'll finally post with actually purposeful helpful intent.
But, apparently, not today.
Back to the topic, and outside of your childish retorts, the OP (who is
almost certainly trolling since he brought up idiotically meaningless OS
version fears), is NOT even close to sophisticated.
Since the OP is clearly unsophisticated, it wouldn't matter WHICH platform
the OP uses, since they both do the basics.
It's only if the OP had a specific functional use in mind where the
platform even begins to matter.
Specifically to the OP stated needs...
o They both work as an "electronic DayTimer"
o They both work as an "ebook reader"
o They both download, strip, record, & play "a little music"
o They both play "a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away"
o They both integrate to the OP's "Windows 10 system"
etc.
In fact:
o They both run more apps than the OP can possibly comprehend
Hence, the OP can merely flip a coin to choose between the stated goal of:
o Choosing between the Apple IPad Air 2 or Pixel, versus
o Sticking with the time honored reliable Nexus 7 2013 & Asus S 8
lonelydad
Mar 17, 2019, 11:48:26 AM3/17/19
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Thanks for all the 'constructive' responders. Those of you who believe I
was trolling, I'm sorry you have such a poor outlook on life.
Like most of us, I would really like to run the newest version of whatever,
in this case Android and/or IOS. Thanks for the pointer to the AICP Rom, I
had never run across mention of it before. It looks to be something I will
be investigating further.
was trolling, I'm sorry you have such a poor outlook on life.
Like most of us, I would really like to run the newest version of whatever,
in this case Android and/or IOS. Thanks for the pointer to the AICP Rom, I
had never run across mention of it before. It looks to be something I will
be investigating further.
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 12:59:54 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 15:48:25 GMT, lonelydad wrote:
> Thanks for all the 'constructive' responders. Those of you who believe I
> was trolling, I'm sorry you have such a poor outlook on life.
Hi lonelydad,
> Thanks for all the 'constructive' responders. Those of you who believe I
> was trolling, I'm sorry you have such a poor outlook on life.
How _you_ respond to this adult logic, determines if you are a troll.
If you're not a troll sock, then you will benefit from the heartfelt advice
I'm bestowing upon you in this thread, and in this post in particular.
How _you_ respond determines whether you're a troll or not.
IMPORTANT LOGICAL POINT #1 for the OP:
For your stated functionality, you can flip a coin between iOS & Android.
o *Both platforms will do the simply tasks you outlined that you need.*
IMPORTANT LOGICAL POINT #2 for the OP:
For your stated version fears, you can completely ignore version numbers.
o *Both platforms will do the simply tasks you outlined that you need.*
> Like most of us, I would really like to run the newest version of whatever,
> in this case Android and/or IOS.
Adults form a belief system based on facts.
o It's marketing's job to form imaginary belief systems
Is your belief system based on actual facts?
o Or is your belief system purely imaginary?
Here's a simple test of your belief system:
o Do you really want the _newest_ ES File Explorer app, for example?
Just because it's new?
o HINT: You don't.
The "newishness" is meaningless to adults.
o What matters is the functionality.
The ADULT question for you, lonelydad, is clear, obvious, and simple.
Q: What F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L-I-T-Y do you need that you can only get with a
new iOS/Android version?
ADULT LOGIC:
If you can't name just one, then you don't need a "newish" OS.
> Thanks for the pointer to the AICP Rom, I
> had never run across mention of it before. It looks to be something I will
> be investigating further.
Based on my adult assessment of what you wrote in this thread to date,
you will not be able to comprehend what is in this web page about AICP:
<https://www.aicp-rom.com/>
I based that assessment on the fact that you appear to believe in an
imaginary belief system which equates the "newishness" of a version number
to the functionality inherent in that software.
The version number, nor how many times that version number is updated, has
absolutely nothing to do, per se, with the FUNCTIONALITY of that software.
The proof is abundant to any ADULT who has any semblance of sentience.
Since I pass the "name just one" adult test of my statements, as an
example, even the latest $1,500 iPhone can't do something as simple as
graph wifi signal strength over time for all access points, which almost
any five year old Android phone can do with aplomb.
That's a fact, not an imaginary belief, lonelydad.
My point to you, if you're able to comprehend, is two fold, if you can
understand what an adult is trying to inform you of:
IMPORTANT LOGICAL POINT #1 for the OP:
For your stated functionality, you can flip a coin between iOS & Android.
o *Both platforms will do the simply tasks you outlined that you need.*
IMPORTANT LOGICAL POINT #2 for the OP:
For your stated version fears, you can completely ignore version numbers.
o *Both platforms will do the simply tasks you outlined that you need.*
Note: How _you_ respond to this adult logic, determines if you are a troll.
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 12:59:55 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:47:34 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> I would agree mostly. My Android tablets, Asus Z8, Fire HD8, and
> Likebook Mars all run older versions of Android and they do OK for all
> the apps that I might use. One exception being the Nook app with the
> Likebook Mars, just won't run the latest version of the Nook app.
I have had _many_ Android and iOS devices where what matters is app
> I would agree mostly. My Android tablets, Asus Z8, Fire HD8, and
> Likebook Mars all run older versions of Android and they do OK for all
> the apps that I might use. One exception being the Nook app with the
> Likebook Mars, just won't run the latest version of the Nook app.
functionality, not app version.
As an example, the _older_ ES File Explorer is (far) better (IMHO), than
any of the newer versions of ES File Explorer.
*What matters is the actual F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L-I-T-Y of the app.*
o The literal version number is a meaningless meta-data statistic.
> Much of my reading is on the Likebook Mars because of the e-ink screen.
> All of my Android tablets are a bit laggy compared to my iPads but not
> horribly so though the Likebook Mars is much more laggy than the other
> Android tablets.
Since I have both Android & iOS, I'm a bit confused by your statement
because I don't find my Android or iOS devices to "be a bit laggy" in any
respect by way of comparison.
Of course, what you consider "a big laggy", is dependent upon what app
you're using, and what iOS or Android device you're comparing.
To help me test your observation of the app being "a bit laggy", would you
kindly clarify which app you're discussing so that I can personally test
that app on my iOS and Android devices?
Thanks.
> A big plus for the iPads is that the equivalent ebook reading apps are
> better presented with smoother operation and font rendering. And in
> most cases the ebook apps are more fully featured.
I have both iOS and Android devices, so I'd _love_ for you to clarify that
statement so that I can personally observe what you've stated to be the
case.
Would you kindly name the ebook reading app that you tested on the iPads
and Android devices, so that I can reproduce your tests to learn from your
observations.
Thanks!
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 12:59:58 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:08:47 +0000, David Taylor wrote:
> I have Android phones, and both Android and iPad tablets.
> Like you, I have been disappointed with the lack of updates for the Android tablet
Hi David Taylor,
> I have Android phones, and both Android and iPad tablets.
> Like you, I have been disappointed with the lack of updates for the Android tablet
That's interesting that you're "disappointed" with the OS versions.
o My Android devices stretch way back to version 2.3 and 4.4
o Now I'm on Android 7
And yet...
*All my Android devices do far more than _any_ iOS device ever made.*
Notice this fact:
o Even a 5-year-old Android device runs more apps than does a $1,500 iPhone.
So I ask you to simply clarify your statements, David Taylor.
o What are you trying to do on Android, that you already do on iOS
o That you can't actually already do on your current Android device?
> whereas my iPads have had software updates more frequently.
Would you kindly clarify what the "software updates" have to do with the
app functionality you claim you're "disappointed" with?
When comparing two dissimilar pieces of hardware, the OS _version_ mismatch
between the two very difference pieces of hardware is completely
irrelevant.
o What do you already do on iOS that you can't do on your Android device?
rent Android device?
> My oldest
> Apple iPad is no longer supported, but I have been happy to update the
> iPad hardware a couple of times.
I strive to comprehend what people actually say, where I ask for a
clarification on your statement that you "update the iPad hardware".
If I wanted to update my "Android hardware", I would simply...
o Add a much larger battery (which I have done on my Samsung Galaxy S3)
o Add a much larger or faster sd card (which I have also done many times)
etc.
Yet I have never been able to "update my hardware" on my iOS devices.
o How are you going to "update the hardware" on your older iPads, David?
> I recently updated to a Pixel 3
> Android phone, and I've been delighted with that, particularly the camera.
Here is the DXOMark detailed itemized report on the Pixel 3 camera:
<https://www.dxomark.com/?s=pixel+3>
Currently, the Pixel 3 is in 6th place for camera quality of results:
#1 = Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus & Huawei Mate 20 Pro & Huawei P20 Pro
#2 = Xiaomi Mi 9
#3 = Apple iPhone XS Max
#4 = Samsung Galaxy Note 9 & Xiaomi Mi MIX 3 & HTC U12+
#5 = Huawei P20
#6 = *Google Pixel 3* & Apple iPhone XR
#7 = Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus & Xiaomi Mi 8
#8 = Google Pixel 2 & OnePlus 6T
#9 = Xiaomi Mi MIX 2S & Apple iPhone X & Huawei Mate 10 Pro
#10 = OnePlus 6
IMHO, these are all _great_ cameras in terms of QOR.
> Likely for the tasks you mention the Android tablet would remain
> adequate, but I think you would be more than pleased with an iPad should
> you decide to go that route.
On this I fully agree with your assessment that, for what the OP stated is
his goal, even a five year old iOS or Android device will suffice for the
OP.
Hence, for the OP, flipping a coin will give him as good an answer to his
question as any one of us could give him, since the OS doesn't matter in
terms of functionality for what the OP has stated is the OP's needs.
Lloyd Parsons
Mar 17, 2019, 1:25:25 PM3/17/19
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arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:47:34 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> I would agree mostly. My Android tablets, Asus Z8, Fire HD8, and
>> Likebook Mars all run older versions of Android and they do OK for all
>> the apps that I might use. One exception being the Nook app with the
>> Likebook Mars, just won't run the latest version of the Nook app.
>
> I have had _many_ Android and iOS devices where what matters is app
> functionality, not app version.
>
> As an example, the _older_ ES File Explorer is (far) better (IMHO), than
> any of the newer versions of ES File Explorer.
>
> *What matters is the actual F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L-I-T-Y of the app.*
> o The literal version number is a meaningless meta-data statistic.
>
In the case of the Older Nook app on the Likebook once you are in a book,
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:47:34 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> I would agree mostly. My Android tablets, Asus Z8, Fire HD8, and
>> Likebook Mars all run older versions of Android and they do OK for all
>> the apps that I might use. One exception being the Nook app with the
>> Likebook Mars, just won't run the latest version of the Nook app.
>
> I have had _many_ Android and iOS devices where what matters is app
> functionality, not app version.
>
> As an example, the _older_ ES File Explorer is (far) better (IMHO), than
> any of the newer versions of ES File Explorer.
>
> *What matters is the actual F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L-I-T-Y of the app.*
> o The literal version number is a meaningless meta-data statistic.
>
it is ok. But library page is very difficult to read because the size of
the icons and titles is so small and there is no way that I’ve found to
enlarge it.
>> Much of my reading is on the Likebook Mars because of the e-ink screen.
>> All of my Android tablets are a bit laggy compared to my iPads but not
>> horribly so though the Likebook Mars is much more laggy than the other
>> Android tablets.
>
> Hi Lloyd Parsons,
>
> Since I have both Android & iOS, I'm a bit confused by your statement
> because I don't find my Android or iOS devices to "be a bit laggy" in any
> respect by way of comparison.
>
> Of course, what you consider "a big laggy", is dependent upon what app
> you're using, and what iOS or Android device you're comparing.
>
> To help me test your observation of the app being "a bit laggy", would you
> kindly clarify which app you're discussing so that I can personally test
> that app on my iOS and Android devices?
>
> Thanks.
>
switching apps. More so on the Likebook but I suspect that is just the
nature of e-ink devices. For info I use Nook, Kindle, FBReader, Scribd and
some other lesser used ones.
>> A big plus for the iPads is that the equivalent ebook reading apps are
>> better presented with smoother operation and font rendering. And in
>> most cases the ebook apps are more fully featured.
>
> Hi Lloyd Parsons,
>
> I have both iOS and Android devices, so I'd _love_ for you to clarify that
> statement so that I can personally observe what you've stated to be the
> case.
>
> Would you kindly name the ebook reading app that you tested on the iPads
> and Android devices, so that I can reproduce your tests to learn from your
> observations.
>
> Thanks!
>
cases have some few improvements over their Android versions. Compared to
even my oldest iPad, the original iPad Pro, the Android devices don’t
compare well for smoothness and appearance. One exception that I have that
does compare well is my Moto Z3.
IMO, the best ebook reader app I have is Books for IOS only though I tend
not to use it as I overall prefer cross platform apps.
--
Lloyd
Wade Garrett
Mar 17, 2019, 1:25:55 PM3/17/19
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And before you climb down my throat, I've owned numerous Android and iOS
devices and hands-down, the Apple stuff is far better.
--
Psychology Question: With so many celebrities, entertainers and
professional athletes having modest educational credentials and
narrowly-focused life experience, why do folks pay any mind to their
outspoken, vociferous lay opinions on political, social and scientific
issues?
- @exmgtpsych
Lloyd
Mar 17, 2019, 1:31:27 PM3/17/19
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Wade Garrett <wa...@cooler.net> wrote:
> On 3/16/19 8:54 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
>> lonelydad wrote:
>>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time
>>> when
>>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of
>>> OS.
>>
>> I don't think that is as much a threat as you imagine. But, you would
>> have to support your contention that 'some of your apps' (unstated
>> which) aren't going to run with android 6.1 'soon' (or in time). Name
>> your apps and explain why you think 6.1 won't support them long (enough).
>>
>>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement
>>> income,
>>> don't ya know!)
>>
>> So, if your financial resources are tight...
>>
>>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2,
>>
>> ... why in the world would you consider going in that direction?
>>
>>
> Cuz it's better...and the boy finally woke up.
>
> And before you climb down my throat, I've owned numerous Android and iOS
> devices and hands-down, the Apple stuff is far better.
>
For tablets I would certainly agree, ipads of all sorts are just better
> On 3/16/19 8:54 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
>> lonelydad wrote:
>>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time
>>> when
>>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of
>>> OS.
>>
>> I don't think that is as much a threat as you imagine. But, you would
>> have to support your contention that 'some of your apps' (unstated
>> which) aren't going to run with android 6.1 'soon' (or in time). Name
>> your apps and explain why you think 6.1 won't support them long (enough).
>>
>>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement
>>> income,
>>> don't ya know!)
>>
>> So, if your financial resources are tight...
>>
>>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2,
>>
>> ... why in the world would you consider going in that direction?
>>
>>
> Cuz it's better...and the boy finally woke up.
>
> And before you climb down my throat, I've owned numerous Android and iOS
> devices and hands-down, the Apple stuff is far better.
>
than any Android tablet I’ve seen, and I’ve had and still have quite a few.
For phone, it’s a wash
--
Lloyd
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 2:04:14 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:31:26 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
> For tablets I would certainly agree, ipads of all sorts are just better
> than any Android tablet I▔e seen, and I▔e had and still have quite a few.
> For tablets I would certainly agree, ipads of all sorts are just better
Hi Lloyd,
*Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
o I have iPads & Android devices, where I base my beliefs on actual facts.
If you also base your beliefs on facts, then you should be able to pass the
simple 3-word "name just one" test of your belief system, Lloyd.
Certainly Android tablets are "better" than iOS tablets in some ways.
o For example, external sd slots
It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
In fact, I can name a _lot_ of app functionality on Android not on iOS.
o That means my belief system is based on facts.
Now let's test _your_ belief system.
o Is _your_ belief system imaginary?
o Or is your belief system based on fact?
*Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
QUESTION TO TEST Lloy'ds belief system (is it imaginary, or factual?).
Q: What app functionality do you use on iPads, that isn't on Android?
o Name just one
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 2:04:16 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:25:54 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:
> And before you climb down my throat, I've owned numerous Android and iOS
> devices and hands-down, the Apple stuff is far better.
Hi Wade Garrett,
> And before you climb down my throat, I've owned numerous Android and iOS
> devices and hands-down, the Apple stuff is far better.
I realize you're a well-known troll, so I only ask you the simple 3-word
question to help us distinguish between purely imaginary versus fact-based
belief systems.
What app FUNCTIONALITY do you have on iOS that isn't ALREADY on Android?
o Name just one
nospam
Mar 17, 2019, 2:06:40 PM3/17/19
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In article <q6m26t$fum$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
> In fact, I can name a _lot_ of app functionality on Android not on iOS.
except that what you name is trivial on ios.
> o That means my belief system is based on facts.
clearly not.
<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
ios can easily do that
> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
> In fact, I can name a _lot_ of app functionality on Android not on iOS.
> o That means my belief system is based on facts.
Lloyd
Mar 17, 2019, 2:11:43 PM3/17/19
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arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:31:26 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>
>> For tablets I would certainly agree, ipads of all sorts are just better
>> than any Android tablet Iขve seen, and Iขve had and still have quite a few.
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:31:26 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>
>> For tablets I would certainly agree, ipads of all sorts are just better
>
> Hi Lloyd,
>
> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
> o I have iPads & Android devices, where I base my beliefs on actual facts.
>
> If you also base your beliefs on facts, then you should be able to pass the
> simple 3-word "name just one" test of your belief system, Lloyd.
>
> Certainly Android tablets are "better" than iOS tablets in some ways.
> o For example, external sd slots
>
> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
>
> In fact, I can name a _lot_ of app functionality on Android not on iOS.
> o That means my belief system is based on facts.
>
> Now let's test _your_ belief system.
> o Is _your_ belief system imaginary?
> o Or is your belief system based on fact?
>
> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
>
> QUESTION TO TEST Lloy'ds belief system (is it imaginary, or factual?).
>
> Q: What app functionality do you use on iPads, that isn't on Android?
> o Name just one
>
Back to your usual trolling bullshit I see.
> Hi Lloyd,
>
> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
> o I have iPads & Android devices, where I base my beliefs on actual facts.
>
> If you also base your beliefs on facts, then you should be able to pass the
> simple 3-word "name just one" test of your belief system, Lloyd.
>
> Certainly Android tablets are "better" than iOS tablets in some ways.
> o For example, external sd slots
>
> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
>
> In fact, I can name a _lot_ of app functionality on Android not on iOS.
> o That means my belief system is based on facts.
>
> Now let's test _your_ belief system.
> o Is _your_ belief system imaginary?
> o Or is your belief system based on fact?
>
> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
>
> QUESTION TO TEST Lloy'ds belief system (is it imaginary, or factual?).
>
> Q: What app functionality do you use on iPads, that isn't on Android?
> o Name just one
>
Some of us here are having a reasonable discussion yet you seem to always
go back to your long winded crap while saying nothing at all. As to “belief
system”, we are rendering our opinions and that has nothing to do with your
bogus “belief system” crap. My opinions are based on long years with tech
of all sorts and started well before MS-DOS even existed.
--
Lloyd
Wade Garrett
Mar 17, 2019, 3:23:47 PM3/17/19
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between my Android phone and the rest of my tech stuff- all Macs and
iPads...
--
I think it started going downhill when the Personnel Department became
Human Resources and “your job” became “the workplace”?
- @patsajak
Lloyd
Mar 17, 2019, 3:32:22 PM3/17/19
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of them are available. Or just use a bunch of 3rd party apps.
--
Lloyd
lew
Mar 17, 2019, 3:59:50 PM3/17/19
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On 2019-03-17, Wade Garrett <wa...@cooler.net> wrote:
> On 3/16/19 8:54 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
>> lonelydad wrote:
>>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time
>>> when
>>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of
>>> OS.
>>
>> I don't think that is as much a threat as you imagine.?? But, you would
> On 3/16/19 8:54 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
>> lonelydad wrote:
>>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time
>>> when
>>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of
>>> OS.
>>
>> have to support your contention that 'some of your apps' (unstated
>> which) aren't going to run with android 6.1 'soon' (or in time).?? Name
>> your apps and explain why you think 6.1 won't support them long (enough).
>>
>>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement
>>> income,
>>> don't ya know!)
>>
>> So, if your financial resources are tight...
>>
>>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2,
>>
>> ... why in the world would you consider going in that direction?
>>
>>
> Cuz it's better...and the boy finally woke up.
>
> And before you climb down my throat, I've owned numerous Android and iOS
> devices and hands-down, the Apple stuff is far better.
>
A matter of opinion & preference. My 1st experience is with the
>>
>>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement
>>> income,
>>> don't ya know!)
>>
>> So, if your financial resources are tight...
>>
>>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2,
>>
>> ... why in the world would you consider going in that direction?
>>
>>
> Cuz it's better...and the boy finally woke up.
>
> And before you climb down my throat, I've owned numerous Android and iOS
> devices and hands-down, the Apple stuff is far better.
>
mac 512; it suck big time. Popped in a diskette from my Atari which
I expected the mac will format to what it wants; nothing happened
as everything greyed out; cannot eject the diskette like "normal"
hardware; pulled the power plug off & then the diskette was ejected.
A co-worker said I had to use a paper clip into a hole to eject the
diskette.
For me, I feel that android's Moon+Reader is much better than
anything on ios; have tried the basic ireader, marvin, maple &
fbreader which did not have the functions of the android version.
Outside of fbreader, none of the reader apps for ios had the ability
to set the background of a book to something desirable to read;
several people do not use their ipad for reading books but use
a kindle for reading.
File management suck for ios as there isn't any. The "files" app
is for the icloud only & will not display any files on the ipad
itself. Cannot create new folders on the ipad for other uses.
Calibre Companion for ios is obviously not as good as the
android version; a book manager on the ipad is definitely
lacking.
etc. I find that the ipad is more of a smart(?) terminal to the
mainframe(icloud); the ipad is obviously not a subsitute for
a desktop computer like some believe.
Oh, also foobar2000 is a much better music app than what the
itunes have as it is not locked into only tracks or playlists.
foobar2000 allows one to play a 'folder'/album with multiple
tracks &/or multiple sub-folders with multiple tracks.
Elfin
Mar 17, 2019, 4:23:56 PM3/17/19
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>
>For me, I feel that android's Moon+Reader is much better than
>anything on ios; have tried the basic ireader, marvin, maple &
>fbreader which did not have the functions of the android version.
>Outside of fbreader, none of the reader apps for ios had the ability
>to set the background of a book to something desirable to read;
>several people do not use their ipad for reading books but use
>a kindle for reading.
Moon+Reader is excellent, wish it was on iOS also. Sadly on my e-ink device it just isn’t as good. As info, lots of people that use Android, iOS or whatever read ebooks on Kindles. They are relatively cheap and do a good job of it. I’ve not had an issue with setting the background in the iOS apps I use.
>For me, I feel that android's Moon+Reader is much better than
>anything on ios; have tried the basic ireader, marvin, maple &
>fbreader which did not have the functions of the android version.
>Outside of fbreader, none of the reader apps for ios had the ability
>to set the background of a book to something desirable to read;
>several people do not use their ipad for reading books but use
>a kindle for reading.
>
>File management suck for ios as there isn't any. The "files" app
>is for the icloud only & will not display any files on the ipad
>itself. Cannot create new folders on the ipad for other uses.
>
>
Calibre Companion for ios is obviously not as good as the
>android version; a book manager on the ipad is definitely
>lacking.
>
>etc. I find that the ipad is more of a smart(?) terminal to the
>mainframe(icloud); the ipad is obviously not a subsitute for
>a desktop computer like some believe.
>
>
Oh, also foobar2000 is a much better music app than what the
>itunes have as it is not locked into only tracks or playlists.
>foobar2000 allows one to play a 'folder'/album with multiple
>tracks &/or multiple sub-folders with multiple tracks.
>
--
Lloyd
nospam
Mar 17, 2019, 5:30:28 PM3/17/19
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In article <q6m8vl$gih$1...@dont-email.me>, lew
that's a long time to hold a grudge.
> Popped in a diskette from my Atari which
> I expected the mac will format to what it wants; nothing happened
> as everything greyed out; cannot eject the diskette like "normal"
> hardware; pulled the power plug off & then the diskette was ejected.
> A co-worker said I had to use a paper clip into a hole to eject the
> diskette.
it should have asked to format, as you expected, and if not, it could
easily be ejected. something else was going on that prevented it.
> For me, I feel that android's Moon+Reader is much better than
> anything on ios; have tried the basic ireader, marvin, maple &
> fbreader which did not have the functions of the android version.
> Outside of fbreader, none of the reader apps for ios had the ability
> to set the background of a book to something desirable to read;
> several people do not use their ipad for reading books but use
> a kindle for reading.
false, although black text on a white background is the most legible.
> File management suck for ios as there isn't any. The "files" app
> is for the icloud only & will not display any files on the ipad
> itself. Cannot create new folders on the ipad for other uses.
false.
> Calibre Companion for ios is obviously not as good as the
> android version; a book manager on the ipad is definitely
> lacking.
from their web site, it looks the same on both, but regardless, that's
not anything apple or google did.
third party app developers might decide to do a better job on one
version than another for whatever reason. there's nothing apple, google
or anyone else can do to force them to do a quality job.
> etc. I find that the ipad is more of a smart(?) terminal to the
> mainframe(icloud); the ipad is obviously not a subsitute for
> a desktop computer like some believe.
maybe for you, but many people are doing exactly that.
> Oh, also foobar2000 is a much better music app than what the
> itunes have as it is not locked into only tracks or playlists.
> foobar2000 allows one to play a 'folder'/album with multiple
> tracks &/or multiple sub-folders with multiple tracks.
ios uses standard id3 tags, which are *far* more flexible than being
restricted to a file/folder hierarchy.
create whatever playlists you want, which can span across multiple
album (or not). playlists can also be automatically generated, such as
top rated songs, new music, oldies, instrumentals, dance music, etc.
<citrus...@google.mailer.company.invalid> wrote:
> >>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2,
> >>
> >> ... why in the world would you consider going in that direction?
> >>
> >>
> > Cuz it's better...and the boy finally woke up.
> >
> > And before you climb down my throat, I've owned numerous Android and iOS
> > devices and hands-down, the Apple stuff is far better.
> >
>
> A matter of opinion & preference. My 1st experience is with the
> mac 512; it suck big time.
that's 35 years ago!!
> >>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2,
> >>
> >> ... why in the world would you consider going in that direction?
> >>
> >>
> > Cuz it's better...and the boy finally woke up.
> >
> > And before you climb down my throat, I've owned numerous Android and iOS
> > devices and hands-down, the Apple stuff is far better.
> >
>
> A matter of opinion & preference. My 1st experience is with the
> mac 512; it suck big time.
that's a long time to hold a grudge.
> Popped in a diskette from my Atari which
> I expected the mac will format to what it wants; nothing happened
> as everything greyed out; cannot eject the diskette like "normal"
> hardware; pulled the power plug off & then the diskette was ejected.
> A co-worker said I had to use a paper clip into a hole to eject the
> diskette.
easily be ejected. something else was going on that prevented it.
> For me, I feel that android's Moon+Reader is much better than
> anything on ios; have tried the basic ireader, marvin, maple &
> fbreader which did not have the functions of the android version.
> Outside of fbreader, none of the reader apps for ios had the ability
> to set the background of a book to something desirable to read;
> several people do not use their ipad for reading books but use
> a kindle for reading.
> File management suck for ios as there isn't any. The "files" app
> is for the icloud only & will not display any files on the ipad
> itself. Cannot create new folders on the ipad for other uses.
> Calibre Companion for ios is obviously not as good as the
> android version; a book manager on the ipad is definitely
> lacking.
not anything apple or google did.
third party app developers might decide to do a better job on one
version than another for whatever reason. there's nothing apple, google
or anyone else can do to force them to do a quality job.
> etc. I find that the ipad is more of a smart(?) terminal to the
> mainframe(icloud); the ipad is obviously not a subsitute for
> a desktop computer like some believe.
> Oh, also foobar2000 is a much better music app than what the
> itunes have as it is not locked into only tracks or playlists.
> foobar2000 allows one to play a 'folder'/album with multiple
> tracks &/or multiple sub-folders with multiple tracks.
restricted to a file/folder hierarchy.
create whatever playlists you want, which can span across multiple
album (or not). playlists can also be automatically generated, such as
top rated songs, new music, oldies, instrumentals, dance music, etc.
123456789
Mar 17, 2019, 7:09:25 PM3/17/19
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lew wrote:
> Outside of fbreader, none of the reader apps for ios had
> the ability to set the background of a book to something
> desirable to read;
The iOS (and Android) Kindle app allows white print on a
> Outside of fbreader, none of the reader apps for ios had
> the ability to set the background of a book to something
> desirable to read;
black background.
> several people do not use their ipad for reading books
> but use a kindle for reading.
white print on a black background.
I find that setting much easier on the eyes. Especially in a
darker room. YMMV...
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 7:12:09 PM3/17/19
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On 17 Mar 2019 15:23:54 -0500, Elfin wrote:
>>File management suck for ios as there isn't any. The "files" app
>>is for the icloud only & will not display any files on the ipad
>>itself. Cannot create new folders on the ipad for other uses.
>>
>>
> True though I don┤ find that to be an issue
>>File management suck for ios as there isn't any. The "files" app
>>is for the icloud only & will not display any files on the ipad
>>itself. Cannot create new folders on the ipad for other uses.
>>
>>
I often manage iPad files by connecting via USB to Ubuntu.
o That allows you to _directly_ manage many files which normally you can't.
If you know the simple trick, it's also read _and_ write access.
o Hence, you can slide files _both_ ways to the iPad file system.
I use that method all the time so I can say it's been working for years.
o All with free software; all using what comes with the typical Ubuntu iso
It just works.
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 7:13:34 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:32:21 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
> You could if you wanted to use Google¢s apps instead of Apples, I think all
> of them are available. Or just use a bunch of 3rd party apps.
Hi Lloyd,
> You could if you wanted to use Google¢s apps instead of Apples, I think all
> of them are available. Or just use a bunch of 3rd party apps.
Your answer is correct that "most" people would sync with Android using
o Google, and using the Internet
And, you're correct that they wouldn't have any problem doing so
o Millions of people do that daily
However, since I strive to keep my data out of Google's hands
o And off the Internet
What I do is sync three files easily across my own personal LAN:
o Text iCalendar files (for my calendar)
o Text vCard files (for my contacts)
o Encrypted containers (for proprietary files such as passwords)
On Android, there are free apps that do all of this
o On iOS, there is no way to do all three using free apps
On all platforms but on iOS, those 3 non-Internet functionalities are free.
In summary, most Android users likely easily sync their contacts & calendar
using Google products on the net using Google-provided free servers. Since
I strive to keep my data off the net, and away from Google, I simply use my
own network to pass the three major types of files back and forth.
Unfortunately, Wade Garrett apparently can't what we can easily do.
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 7:13:36 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 15:23:45 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:
> Except I can't get graceful calendar, phone contacts and notes syncing
> between my Android phone and the rest of my tech stuff- all Macs and
> iPads...
Hi Wade Garrett,
> Except I can't get graceful calendar, phone contacts and notes syncing
> between my Android phone and the rest of my tech stuff- all Macs and
> iPads...
Why is it that you can't do something _that_ is so trivial, Wade Garrett?
For example...
o I easily sync my contacts between Android & my Windows/Linux desktops.
Same with my calendar.
o And with my encrypted password database.
All without the Internet.
o And, all without Google.
It's simple, and it's trivial to sync these standard files across devices.
o They're just files (iCal & vCard are simple text files for Christs' sake)
What on earth is so hard about syncing a text file between your devices?
o Why is it just you that can't do something _that_ trivial, Wade Garrett?
Why, Wade Garrett, are _you_ having trouble syncing trivial text files?
o HINT: It's trivial and yet, _you_ have trouble doing it (apparently).
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 7:13:37 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:06:39 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
>> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
>
> ios can easily do that
Hi nospam,
>> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
>> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
>
> ios can easily do that
Here we go again.
Name how, all by its itty bitty self (i.e., no desktop involved), the
iPhone or iPad is going to back up the APKs to the device itself, such that
you can then factory reset the iPad or iPhone moments later, and then
re-install those apps, not only on that iPad or iPhone, but also on almost
_any_ iPad or iPhone.
Notice that Android easily does this all by its itty bitty self.
o There is no desktop nor Internet required, nospam
Since I know you know this to be a fact, nospam, I ask you patiently:
o Do you still claim that iOS can do what Android already does?
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 7:13:39 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:11:41 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
> My opinions are based on long years with tech
> of all sorts and started well before MS-DOS even existed.
Hi Lloyd,
> My opinions are based on long years with tech
> of all sorts and started well before MS-DOS even existed.
*It only takes 10 seconds to prove imaginary belief systems false, Lloyd.*
o You don't need to explain what you did, as I know EXACTLY what you did.
You made a false claim that you actually very likely believe.
o Hence, to you, your false claim is actually true
But, since I know your claim is false, I knew you'd fail to back it up.
o You can't provide even a _single_ fact that supports your claim
Please realize, since I knew your claim to be false,
o I also KNEW you'd fail to provide a single fact to back up your claim
*It only takes seconds to prove imaginary belief systems false, Lloyd.*
What's sad is that you fully & completely believe in an imaginary system
o Which is so patently false that it's _easily_ disproved in mere seconds
That's just sad, Lloyd.
o Very sad.
At least _my_ belief system is based on actual facts.
nospam
Mar 17, 2019, 8:06:52 PM3/17/19
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In article <q6mkb0$j95$3...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
it is.
if that device is lost or stolen, so is the 'backup' and all is lost,
regardless of what it is.
backups *must* be on an external device, with at least one off site.
cloud backups makes the latter easy and convenient, but is not the only
way.
> such that
> you can then factory reset the iPad or iPhone moments later, and then
> re-install those apps, not only on that iPad or iPhone, but also on almost
> _any_ iPad or iPhone.
that works out of the box.
> Notice that Android easily does this all by its itty bitty self.
actually it doesn't.
for android, third party apps are required to back everything up, and
almost all of them require root to do so.
<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> Name how, all by its itty bitty self (i.e., no desktop involved), the
> iPhone or iPad is going to back up the APKs to the device itself,
there is no such thing as 'backing up to itself', no matter what device
> Name how, all by its itty bitty self (i.e., no desktop involved), the
> iPhone or iPad is going to back up the APKs to the device itself,
it is.
if that device is lost or stolen, so is the 'backup' and all is lost,
regardless of what it is.
backups *must* be on an external device, with at least one off site.
cloud backups makes the latter easy and convenient, but is not the only
way.
> such that
> you can then factory reset the iPad or iPhone moments later, and then
> re-install those apps, not only on that iPad or iPhone, but also on almost
> _any_ iPad or iPhone.
> Notice that Android easily does this all by its itty bitty self.
for android, third party apps are required to back everything up, and
almost all of them require root to do so.
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 9:35:51 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 20:06:51 -0400, nospam wrote:
> there is no such thing as 'backing up to itself', no matter what device
> it is.
Hi nospam,
> there is no such thing as 'backing up to itself', no matter what device
> it is.
I _knew_ you'd play silly little childish semantic games.
o Why don't you simply own up to the facts, nospam?
*The iOS model is essentially brain dead for backing up free IPAs*
compared to the strength, power, & simplicity of the Android model.
In Android, you just back up the free APK at _any_ time, to anywhere.
o Then you re-install those free APKs to almost any iOS device
The fact is that I said Android backs up those free APKs to the device
o And it does exactly that
I said that on Android you can then factory reset the phone
o And the backed up APKs _stay_ on the device.
I do this all the time nospam (although I generally remove the sd card,
just to be super safe).
I said you can then re-install those APKs from your just-made backup
o And you can.
You can't do this on iOS - but you can easily do this on Android
o *And I know you know iOS is brain dead in this respect nospam.*
*Since the iOS IPA backup mechanism is brain dead - you just can't do it*
o I know you know this nospam, so you're just playing your silly games.
> if that device is lost or stolen, so is the 'backup' and all is lost,
> regardless of what it is.
The use model I'm talking about is that you're re-imaging your phone
a. All your APKs are _already_ backed up (automatically!) to the sd card
b. You simply reset the phone to factory defaults
c. And then you re-install all the APKs from your sdcard
Since I know you know that the iOS IPA backup mechanism is brain dead,
o All you're doing, nospam, is playing your silly childish games.
> that works out of the box.
Stop playing your silly stupid games.
You _know_ iOS is so brain dead that it can't even list the apps installed
on the device to an editable text file for Christs' sake without requiring
both a desktop and hundreds of megabytes of the iTunes abomination.
On Android, there are so many ways to list the installed apps to an
editable file directly on the device that it' isn't funny.
The point is that Android, all by its itty bitty self, is FUNCTIONAL.
o By way of contrast, iOS often requires not only a desktop
o But also hundreds upon hundreds of megabytes of additional software
o And, often, a server on the Internet
Just to do what you can easily do on Android, all by its itty bitty self.
So just stop BS'ing us nospam since I know that you KNOW iOS is brain dead
in this respect (where iOS just can't do it all by its itty bitty self and,
in the case of reinstalling those apps at any time, iOS again just can't do
it. And in the case of installing those free APKs on almost any another
device each with a completely different ID, again, iOS just can't do what
Android can do.
I know you know that the iOS IPA backup is brain dead, nospam.
o The iOS IPA backup mechanism is so limited it's just sad, nospam.
And I know you know this because you know iOS backup is brain dead.
>> Notice that Android easily does this all by its itty bitty self.
>
> actually it doesn't.
>
> for android, third party apps are required to back everything up, and
> almost all of them require root to do so.
*I know you know that the iOS IPA backup mechanism is brain dead*
o So it's odd that you say that Android apps can't do what they clearly do
There are only two possible reasons you say what you say:
a. Either you truly are that incomprehensibly ignorant of Android, or,
b. You're constantly just playing your silly stupid games, nospam.
(Pick one.)
Stop playing your silly little games.
o There are _many_ free Android apps that automatically back up APKs
o These apps need NOTHING other than the phone all by its itty bitty self
o That is they aren't brain dead like the iOS apps generally are
a. That means they don't need any network whatsoever
b. They don't put your files on the Internet
c. They don't require a desktop computer just to do something this simple
d. They don't need hundreds of megabytes of iTunes bloatware either
e. And you never need to be root for Christs' sake.
The sad thing about you nospam is you're so Dunning-Kruger that you
actually _think_ you know something about Android, which you don't.
It's not so bad that you're completely clueless about both iOS and Android.
o What's irksome is that you _believe_ the idiotic crap that you spout
You actually _believe_ what you said, even as it's patently false.
o That's what is so scary about you nospam
You're exactly like the lemon juice bank robber
o He truly believed that the lemon juice hid his face from cameras
I know you know that the iOS IPA backup mechanism is brain dead
o So it's odd that you say that Android apps can't do what they clearly do
There are only two possible reasons you say what you say:
a. Either you truly are that incomprehensibly ignorant of Android, or,
b. You're constantly just playing your silly stupid games, nospam.
(Pick one.)
arlen holder
Mar 17, 2019, 9:50:54 PM3/17/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 01:35:51 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:
> In Android, you just back up the free APK at _any_ time, to anywhere.
> o Then you re-install those free APKs to almost any iOS device
Before nospam writes with glee that I made a typo. clearly I meant that the
> In Android, you just back up the free APK at _any_ time, to anywhere.
> o Then you re-install those free APKs to almost any iOS device
APKs re-install onto _Android_ (not onto iOS). :)
*The fact is that the iOS IPA backup model is easily shown to be crippled.*
o I know that nospam is well aware that the iOS backup is a cripple.
By "cripple" I mean it requires all sorts of wheelchairs & crutches.
As just one simple example, on Android, there are so many ways to spit out
the list of installed apps to an editable text file that it isn't funny,
while on iOS there are exactly _zero_ ways to do that, on the device, all
by its itty bitty self.
Yes. Zero.
o Without a desktop as a wheelchair, iOS is a cripple all by its itty bitty self.
And there are zero chances you'll be able to back up the IPAs on an iOS
device _to_ the device and then factory reimage, and then reinstall the
apps.
Yes. Zero.
o Without desktop iTunes as a crutch, iOS is a cripple all by its itty bitty self.
Worse, the typical iOS backup model often uses the Internet, where you get
to rent your data (if you go over the puny limits) for the rest of your
life, where your data should NEVER have been on the cloud in the first
place if you value your privacy (and your data).
While there are advantages and disadvantages to using the Internet, there
are no known advantages to being required to use a desktop and hundreds of
megabytes of bloatware just to do something as trivially simple as...
And, on Android, it's _your choice_ if you _want_ to use the Internet
o Or not.
On Android, you can easily...
a. Back up all your installed apps at any time to APKs _on_ the device!
b. That includes system apps if you want it to (generally you won't)
c. That includes apps you installed a decade ago (if they're installed)
Notice iOS can't do this.
o You can't back up an IPA after the fact that no longer exists on iTunes!
o Android doesn't have this huge restriction that cripples iOS backups.
Notice that iOS can't back up the IPA to the device itself
o Again, iOS is crippled since free Android apps back up APKs automatically
o You can factory wipe with the APKs _still_ on the device (on the sd card)
In summary, iOS is so crippled that it needs wheelchairs & crutches
o Just to do what free Android non-root apps do - all by its itty bitty self
nospam
Mar 17, 2019, 10:39:45 PM3/17/19
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In article <q6mtht$4b9$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
backups need to be on a *separate* device/drive/cloud/etc.
> o Without desktop iTunes as a crutch, iOS is a cripple all by its itty bitty
> self.
nonsense. itunes is not required.
<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> And there are zero chances you'll be able to back up the IPAs on an iOS
> device _to_ the device and then factory reimage, and then reinstall the
> apps.
copying *anything* to itself is not a backup.
> And there are zero chances you'll be able to back up the IPAs on an iOS
> device _to_ the device and then factory reimage, and then reinstall the
> apps.
backups need to be on a *separate* device/drive/cloud/etc.
> o Without desktop iTunes as a crutch, iOS is a cripple all by its itty bitty
> self.
arlen holder
Mar 18, 2019, 12:08:30 AM3/18/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 22:39:44 -0400, nospam wrote:
>> And there are zero chances you'll be able to back up the IPAs on an iOS
>> device _to_ the device and then factory reimage, and then reinstall the
>> apps.
>
> copying *anything* to itself is not a backup.
Hi nospam,
>> And there are zero chances you'll be able to back up the IPAs on an iOS
>> device _to_ the device and then factory reimage, and then reinstall the
>> apps.
>
> copying *anything* to itself is not a backup.
You've been using the crippled iOS IPA backup methods for so long...
o That you appear to have forgotten that sd cards are removable
> backups need to be on a *separate* device/drive/cloud/etc.
o That you appear to have forgotten that sd cards are removable
>> o Without desktop iTunes as a crutch, iOS is a cripple all by its itty bitty
>> self.
>
> nonsense. itunes is not required.
FACT + LOGIC:
Yet again, you own a completely imaginary belief system.
o You can't do even simple things on iOS _without_ the iTunes abomination
FACT:
As a super simple example, on Android, there are so many ways to create an
editable text file of all the installed apps on the Android device that it
isn't funny, all using just the device itself, all by its itty bitty self.
o No need for a separate computer
o No need for hundreds of megabytes of the iTunes abomination
o No need for the cloud (no need for any network, in fact)
etc.
Android does this all by its itty bitty self.
o And yet, iOS can't even do one of the simplest tasks on the planet!
You know, nospam, that iOS is crippled when it comes to IPA backup
o *Compared to Android APK backup, iOS IPA backup is crippled*
LOGIC:
The iOS devices are so crippled in functionality that they can't even do
something _that_ simple as creating a text file of all the installed apps
without having to add not only a desktop but also the iTunes abomination.
FACT + LOGIC:
That's how crippled iOS is when it comes to app backup & re-install.
o Without both a computer _and_ the iTunes abomination, iOS can't even do
the _simplest_ of IPA-related tasks
Lloyd Parsons
Mar 18, 2019, 9:21:27 AM3/18/19
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On 2019-03-17 23:13:34 +0000, arlen holder said:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:32:21 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>
>> You could if you wanted to use Google¢s apps instead of Apples, I think all
>> of them are available. Or just use a bunch of 3rd party apps.
>
> Hi Lloyd,
>
> Your answer is correct that "most" people would sync with Android using
> o Google, and using the Internet
>
> And, you're correct that they wouldn't have any problem doing so
> o Millions of people do that daily
>
> However, since I strive to keep my data out of Google's hands
> o And off the Internet
Yeah, I know you are hung up with that. I've no problem with you
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:32:21 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>
>> You could if you wanted to use Google¢s apps instead of Apples, I think all
>> of them are available. Or just use a bunch of 3rd party apps.
>
> Hi Lloyd,
>
> Your answer is correct that "most" people would sync with Android using
> o Google, and using the Internet
>
> And, you're correct that they wouldn't have any problem doing so
> o Millions of people do that daily
>
> However, since I strive to keep my data out of Google's hands
> o And off the Internet
wanting to do that, but most of us find it just more hassle than value
I think.
For me the Apple ecosystem is better mostly because I do more things on
Apple gear than other stuff. For those things that I need cross
platform availability I use apps with data that are cross platform, but
still use iCloud for storage/archiving. Works for me.
>
> What I do is sync three files easily across my own personal LAN:
> o Text iCalendar files (for my calendar)
> o Text vCard files (for my contacts)
> o Encrypted containers (for proprietary files such as passwords)
>
> On Android, there are free apps that do all of this
> o On iOS, there is no way to do all three using free apps
filled. I can see the fun of playing around with one as I have done in
years past. These days I just don't.
I do those same things on iOS/OSX/ChromeOS/Android with iCloud
storage,or at least I could if I cared to. Might have to use something
besides the Apple provided apps though. Not a big deal.
Lloyd Parsons
Mar 18, 2019, 9:22:59 AM3/18/19
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arlen holder
Mar 18, 2019, 11:02:56 AM3/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 08:22:57 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> I use that method all the time so I can say it's been working for years.
>> o All with free software; all using what comes with the typical Ubuntu iso
>>
>> It just works.
>
> As long as you want to diddle with Linux.
Hi Lloyd Parsons,
>> I use that method all the time so I can say it's been working for years.
>> o All with free software; all using what comes with the typical Ubuntu iso
>>
>> It just works.
>
> As long as you want to diddle with Linux.
I'm going to tell you something that you don't appear to know yet...
o I'll explain why I ditched iTunes and replaced it with Linux on Windows
On the one hand ... I fully agree with you of the cons of Linux, where I
simply note that there is little to no "diddling" of Linux if all you do is
connect iOS devices for the purpose of read _and_ write to _and_ from the
iOS visible file system.
But I think you missed the key point, which is that, on the other hand,
there is absolutely no diddling with the iTunes abomination either!
Notice you trade "diddling":
o Either you diddle with iTunes (and live with the abomination)
o Or you diddle with Ubuntu (which has none of the iTunes restrictions)
It's a more than fair trade, Lloyd, in my opinion:
o The iTunes abomination works - but it has restrictions & dangers
o The Linux dual boot works - sans the iTunes restrictions & dangers
That's the trade Lloyd that I don't think you had realized until I said it.
Remember, the purpose of Linux is to replace & augment iTunes
o A windows computer with iTunes has two major problems
a. You still can't read/write to anywhere on the visible iOS file system
b. You have to deal with iTunes dangers (trust me, I've dealt with them)
*A windows computer with Linux eliminates _both_ those iTunes problems*
Bear in mind that I copy many large movies and thousands upon thousands of
MP3 files at a time to and from my 128GB WiFi-only iPad to and from my
Windows system using this Ubuntu method.
Notice that only two computers are involved, but three operating systems
are _simultaneously_ involved, Windows, Linux, and iOS.
It all just works!
Notice the *advantages* of this method, which "just works":
o Replacing iTunes with Linux solves the restrictions iTunes imposes
o Replacing iTunes with Linux solves the danger iTunes adds
o Replacing iTunes with Linux is free & very well supported
o Replacing iTunes with Linux turns out to be far (far) easier for USB
Do notice any *disadvantages* of this method?
o Replacing iTunes with Linux requires a swap of "diddling"
a. You can diddle with iTunes, or you can diddle with Linux
The good news is that there is NO DIDDLING of Linux with this method:
a. You install Linux as a dual-boot to Windows
b. You diddle a bit with Windows (e.g., turn off hibernation/fastboot)
c. You connect iOS to Linux & voila! It just works.
You can instantly slide files from the iOS device to Windows using Linux.
With a quick diddle of iOS commands, you can slide files TO iOS from
Windows, where you have FAR MORE POWER now than you will ever have with
iTunes' restrictions on writing to anywhere on the iOS visible file system.
That's it. There's NO DIDDLING with Linux!
In summary, Lloyd, I don't think you at first realize what I'm edifying you
on, which is that "diddling" is needed no matter what.
o Either you diddle with iTunes (and accept the dangers & restrictions)
o Or you diddle with Linux dual boot (which has none of the restrictions)
Your choice:
o You can choose to be restricted by iTunes on Windows
o Or, you can choose to replace iTunes by Linux on Windows
Obviously you must realize _why_ I ditched iTunes in favor of Linux.
arlen holder
Mar 18, 2019, 11:02:58 AM3/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 08:21:26 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> Yeah, I know you are hung up with that. I've no problem with you
> wanting to do that, but most of us find it just more hassle than value
> I think.
Hi Lloyd Parsons,
> Yeah, I know you are hung up with that. I've no problem with you
> wanting to do that, but most of us find it just more hassle than value
> I think.
I'm not sure if you're the same as "Lloyd" as I only momentarily look at
the headers (if even that), when I respond to the text. Please bear in mind
that I treat various posters differently, mainly on the basis of whether
they post content as adults or as children... where I basically simplify
(and repeat) the message for those who post as children, and where I can
increase the complexity for those who post as adult.
Having said that, I easily agree with you that almost everyone on Android
(and likely on iOS) would simply use the Google-provided free servers for
calendar & contact sync. In addition, I would think most people even use
(exclusively even in some cases) the Google software for calendar & contact
clients.
I don't think most people have a solution yet, for password management.
But I think most people put their important personal data "on the cloud".
So that's 3 (or 4) things we're talking about syncing on both platforms:
o Calendar (e.g., iCal files)
o Contacts (e.g., vCard files)
o Passwords (e.g., keepass files)
o Encrypted containers (e.g., TrueCrypt/Veracrypt container files)
As you may be aware, I've devised a system that keeps _all_ that stuff
_off_ the Internet, and yet still allows me to pass those files freely on
my own private LAN among Windows/Linux/(Mac) & Android/iOS.
My _only_ point on that topic is that iOS is always harder, and, in the
case of a general solution, iOS is often not freeware, while everything
else is.
NOTE: I don't have a Mac but it would work fine based on my lookups.
> For me the Apple ecosystem is better mostly because I do more things on
> Apple gear than other stuff. For those things that I need cross
> platform availability I use apps with data that are cross platform, but
> still use iCloud for storage/archiving. Works for me.
As you're aware, I use iOS & Android and, as you may note, I've never NOT
said that the "Apple ecosystem" works very well while you're inside the
walled garden.
I repeat, since this is a critical point, that the Apple walled garden
works fantastically if you're content to remain inside the walled garden.
I've never said otherwise.
The main problem with the walled-garden approach is that it doesn't usually
work well when Apple doesn't want it to work well, where, for example, Lord
help you if all you want to do is one of the simplest tasks imaginable,
such as list your currently installed apps into an editable text file.
Notice how instantaneously the walled garden turns into a cripple?
I ran into this problem after years of simply just doing it on other
platforms, when, I gave an iPhone as a gift phone and had to help the
recipient move/convert data & apps from a Nexus to the iPhone.
I easily created a text file of the apps on Android, but I was shocked that
you just can't do something even _that_ simple on iOS, all by its itty
bitty self. As you can imagine, the iTunes abomination is banned from my
network, where something that trivially simple is impossible on iOS without
adding ten pounds of computer and hundreds of megabytes of bloatware, just
to spit out a text file of the currently installed apps.
In _many_ other ways, the walled garden falls flat, e.g., people have had
old apps that are no longer on the app store that they want to back up
after the fact. On Android, that's so trivial to do that it's done
automatically for me, where I have _every_ version of APK ever installed
(including system apps).
On iOS, it's just plain impossible using the current iTunes software (see
David Empson detailed corrections to nospam and Jolly Roger classic
wild-goose chases).
I realize I'm going into detal, Lloyd Parsons, where I assume you can
handle this detail (I don't bother for the children like Alan Baker).
Rest assured I can list example after example after example after example
where the walled-garden approach falls flat the instant you step outside
the wall.
In summary, if the user stays completely inside the walled garden, that
approach works FANTASTICALLY (in most cases) for that user.
In general, the walled garden makes use of "the cloud", which, while it
works fantastically, has other issues that we can just accept as existing.
In _my_ setup, I strive to avoid:
a. Google servers & services (as much as I humanly can avoid them)
b. Google/Apple/Other cloud storage (this is easier to avoid I think)
Most people don't bother avoiding those two, so, for them, I would state
that what Wade Garret said just isn't true that syncing is any more or less
difficult for Android or iOS.
I'm confused whether you, Lloyd Parsons, are saying that syncing is better
for iOS than for Android for the basics such as:
o Calendar
o Contacts
o Passwords & encrypted containers
> I've not ever considered doing a local lan, no need or want would be
> filled. I can see the fun of playing around with one as I have done in
> years past. These days I just don't.
years that did NOT have a "local LAN", so I'm not sure if you understood.
A local LAN is simply the home network.
o Cable modem or equivalent (I use a transceiver instead of a modem)
o SOHO router (I have quite a few scattered about the home)
o Access points (I have far more than most, since I play with these things)
o Computers & mobile devices connected to that network
> I do those same things on iOS/OSX/ChromeOS/Android with iCloud
> storage,or at least I could if I cared to. Might have to use something
> besides the Apple provided apps though. Not a big deal.
I agree with you that most people use "the cloud" and the default apps on
the platform to sync these types of files
o Calendar
o Contacts
I'm not sure most people have a working solution for these types of files
o Passwords
o Encrypted containers (for medical records, for example)
Let me be very clear that on both platforms, syncing the calendar and
contacts is done by millions of people every day, so my main point to Wade
Garrett was that he was bullshitting us when he tried to claim that Android
had problems with something that simple.
You will note that I strive to understand the differences between the
platforms, where if there is a huge difference between syncing calendars
and contacts on iOS versus Android, then I'm unaware of those huge
differences that Wade Garrett "claimed" exist (as I recall).
Wade Garrett
Mar 18, 2019, 11:08:15 AM3/18/19
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I converted over to being an "Apple shop" about 10 years ago and the
native apps and programs work very well for me.
Only reason I have an Android phone is I don't use a cell phone much and
the Tracfone pay as you go plan works fine for me.
Each year, I buy a new Android phone + service bundle from QVC or HSN
for around $100 that pretty much takes care of me for the year. Unused
time, texts, data carry forward as long as you keep your number active.
and I've built up a pretty big reserve in the five or so years I've been
doing this.
The phones QVC/HSN offer are new- but are usually older models. They
work fine for me- though if they offered an older model iPhone bundled
like that, I'd probably be willing to pop for the higher cost.
--
Ever notice the shortage of "armed law-abiding citizen” victim tragedy
stories in the news?
Elfin
Mar 18, 2019, 11:35:48 AM3/18/19
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On 10:02 18/03 , arlen holder wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 08:21:26 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I know you are hung up with that. I've no problem with you
>> wanting to do that, but most of us find it just more hassle than value
>> I think.
>
>Hi Lloyd Parsons,
>
>I'm not sure if you're the same as "Lloyd" as I only momentarily look at
>the headers (if even that), when I respond to the text. Please bear in mind
>that I treat various posters differently, mainly on the basis of whether
>they post content as adults or as children... where I basically simplify
>(and repeat) the message for those who post as children, and where I can
>increase the complexity for those who post as adult.
>
>Having said that, I easily agree with you that almost everyone on Android
>(and likely on iOS) would simply use the Google-provided free servers for
>calendar & contact sync. In addition, I would think most people even use
>(exclusively even in some cases) the Google software for calendar & contact
>clients.
>
>I don't think most people have a solution yet, for password management.
>But I think most people put their important personal data "on the cloud".
>
>So that's 3 (or 4) things we're talking about syncing on both platforms:
>o Calendar (e.g., iCal files)
>o Contacts (e.g., vCard files)
>o Passwords (e.g., keepass files)
>o Encrypted containers (e.g., TrueCrypt/Veracrypt container files)
>
>As you may be aware, I've devised a system that keeps _all_ that stuff
>_off_ the Internet, and yet still allows me to pass those files freely on
>my own private LAN among Windows/Linux/(Mac) & Android/iOS.
>
>My _only_ point on that topic is that iOS is always harder, and, in the
>case of a general solution, iOS is often not freeware, while everything
>else is.
>
>NOTE: I don't have a Mac but it would work fine based on my lookups.
>
>> For me the Apple ecosystem is better mostly because I do more things on
>> Apple gear than other stuff. For those things that I need cross
>> platform availability I use apps with data that are cross platform, but
>> still use iCloud for storage/archiving. Works for me.
>
>Hi Lloyd Parsons,
>As you're aware, I use iOS & Android and, as you may note, I've never NOT
>said that the "Apple ecosystem" works very well while you're inside the
>walled garden.
>
>I repeat, since this is a critical point, that the Apple walled garden
>works fantastically if you're content to remain inside the walled garden.
>
>I've never said otherwise.
>
>The main problem with the walled-garden approach is that it doesn't usually
>work well when Apple doesn't want it to work well, where, for example, Lord
>help you if all you want to do is one of the simplest tasks imaginable,
>such as list your currently installed apps into an editable text file.
>
>Notice how instantaneously the walled garden turns into a cripple?
>
>I ran into this problem after years of simply just doing it on other
>platforms, when, I gave an iPhone as a gift phone and had to help the
>recipient move/convert data & apps from a Nexus to the iPhone.
>
>I easily created a text file of the apps on Android, but I was shocked that
>you just can't do something even _that_ simple on iOS, all by its itty
>bitty self. As you can imagine, the iTunes abomination is banned from my
>network, where something that trivially simple is impossible on iOS without
>adding ten pounds of computer and hundreds of megabytes of bloatware, just
>to spit out a text file of the currently installed apps.
>
>In _many_ other ways, the walled garden falls flat, e.g., people have had
>old apps that are no longer on the app store that they want to back up
>after the fact. On Android, that's so trivial to do that it's done
>automatically for me, where I have _every_ version of APK ever installed
>(including system apps).
>
>On iOS, it's just plain impossible using the current iTunes software (see
>David Empson detailed corrections to nospam and Jolly Roger classic
>wild-goose chases).
>
>I realize I'm going into detal, Lloyd Parsons, where I assume you can
>handle this detail (I don't bother for the children like Alan Baker).
>
>Rest assured I can list example after example after example after example
>where the walled-garden approach falls flat the instant you step outside
>the wall.
>
>In summary, if the user stays completely inside the walled garden, that
>approach works FANTASTICALLY (in most cases) for that user.
>
>In general, the walled garden makes use of "the cloud", which, while it
>works fantastically, has other issues that we can just accept as existing.
>
>In _my_ setup, I strive to avoid:
>a. Google servers & services (as much as I humanly can avoid them)
>b. Google/Apple/Other cloud storage (this is easier to avoid I think)
>
>Most people don't bother avoiding those two, so, for them, I would state
>that what Wade Garret said just isn't true that syncing is any more or less
>difficult for Android or iOS.
>
>I'm confused whether you, Lloyd Parsons, are saying that syncing is better
>for iOS than for Android for the basics such as:
>o Calendar
>o Contacts
>o Passwords & encrypted containers
>
>> I've not ever considered doing a local lan, no need or want would be
>> filled. I can see the fun of playing around with one as I have done in
>> years past. These days I just don't.
>
>Hmmmm... I have not seen a single home in the USA in the past five or ten
>years that did NOT have a "local LAN", so I'm not sure if you understood.
>
>A local LAN is simply the home network.
>o Cable modem or equivalent (I use a transceiver instead of a modem)
>o SOHO router (I have quite a few scattered about the home)
>o Access points (I have far more than most, since I play with these things)
>o Computers & mobile devices connected to that network
Lloyd
arlen holder
Mar 18, 2019, 11:38:23 AM3/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:08:13 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:
> I converted over to being an "Apple shop" about 10 years ago and the
> native apps and programs work very well for me.
Hi Wade Garrett,
> I converted over to being an "Apple shop" about 10 years ago and the
> native apps and programs work very well for me.
You don't feel the pain of the walled garden Wade Garrett.
o Do you know why you don't feel the pain of the walled garden, Wade?
I do.
As long as you never actually do anything that isn't pre-scripted by Apple
Marketing, staying wholly inside the prison of the walled garden works
fantastically well.
You'd be like a cow with a ring in its nose being led in the corral.
The instant you try to do something "unscripted" by your Apple Marketing
nose ring, you'd feel the pain instantly.
For example, the instant you try to back up & re-install an
already-installed app that is no longer on the iTunes app store using
current iTunes software, you'd feel the pain, Wade Garrett (which David
Empson had to explain to both Jolly Roger & nospam who led users on wild
goose chases).
Or, the moment you tried to read and write to anywhere you wanted on the
visible file system of the iOS device (which I do all the time).
The reason you don't feel the pain of the nose ring Wade Garrett, is that
you are like that cow who is intent to be led around by the Apple rancher.
> Only reason I have an Android phone is I don't use a cell phone much and
> the Tracfone pay as you go plan works fine for me.
is no worthy difference between the two platforms.
> Each ear, I buy a new Android phone + service bundle from QVC or HSN
> for around $100 that pretty much takes care of me for the year. Unused
> time, texts, data carry forward as long as you keep your number active.
> and I've built up a pretty big reserve in the five or so years I've been
> doing this.
I sort of have a similar but sweeter deal when I use an iPad as a phone.
> time, texts, data carry forward as long as you keep your number active.
> and I've built up a pretty big reserve in the five or so years I've been
> doing this.
o I have the free for life 200MB/month SIM card in that iPad
o That gives me plenty of free calls to/from POTS lines & SMS/MMS texting
So, for free, I've accomplished, sort of, what you do for $100 a year.
(Of course, you're using a "phone" while I'm using an "iPad" for that.)
> The phones QVC/HSN offer are new- but are usually older models. They
> work fine for me- though if they offered an older model iPhone bundled
> like that, I'd probably be willing to pop for the higher cost.
o For free, for the life of those iPads!
This works for Android also, but only for tablets.
o The only drawback is that they work as 'speakerphones'
Offhand, I wonder if I plug in a mic/headset, if it would use that instead
of the speaker? (I haven't tried that yet.)
arlen holder
Mar 18, 2019, 12:12:45 PM3/18/19
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On 18 Mar 2019 10:35:47 -0500, Elfin wrote:
> In a mixed environment, the Google apps make more sense.
> They work fine and are pretty well featured. In my case and most other
> Apple people I deal with, they and I use the Apple apps for the same reason.
Hi Elfin,
> In a mixed environment, the Google apps make more sense.
> They work fine and are pretty well featured. In my case and most other
> Apple people I deal with, they and I use the Apple apps for the same reason.
I agree with you and with Lloyd (Parsons?) that using the free
general purpose Google/Apple-provided apps for two of the four things
works great!
o Calendaring (e.g., iCalendar formats)
o Contacts (e.g., vCard formats)
The main advantage is that both work FANTASTICALLY for most users.
The main drawback is that both put your private data on the net.
I don't think many people use a google/apple solution for:
o Encrypted passwords (e.g., keepass.kdbx files)
o Encrypted containers (e.g., truecrypt.vc files)
The solution I am writing a tutorial for handles all four situations:
o iCalendar files
o vCard files
o keepass.kdbx files
o truecrypt.vc files
o How do we most easily set up a freeware network of Windows + Linux + iOS + Android file systems
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/tKhwlZyOhf0/oc2gJAq7CAAJ>
The only hitch is that it's always harder on iOS to find a free general purpose
solution (which includes the need to be free software), whereas on all other
platforms, that general purpose solution is more easily found in
free open 'source software.
> I use LastPass, there are plenty of others and nearly all are cross platform
for private passing of encrypted password information between devices.
o Which free Android KeePass kdbx-compatible password database manager do you recommend?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/yUrCZ2v0tmg>
o Have You Been Pwned? Do you have a working cross-platform PASSWD database for Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, & Android on your home LAN?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/YEfw5NblnRs/1zFsSf8oFQAJ>
In testing, you'll see I tested plenty of possible solutions, including
o *KeePass DX*
- <https://www.f-droid.org/en/packages/com.kunzisoft.keepass.libre/>
- <https://github.com/Kunzisoft/KeePassDX>
- <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunzisoft.keepass.free>
o Passed the test of reading the Windows encrypted kdbx file.
o *Keepass2Android Password Safe*
- <https://www.f-droid.org/forums/topic/keepass2android/>
- <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android>
o Passed the test of reading the Windows encrypted kdbx file.
o *KeePassDroid*
- <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.android.keepass/>
- <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.android.keepass>
o Passed the test of reading the Windows encrypted kdbx file.
o *TinyKeePass*
- <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.sorz.lab.tinykeepass/>
o Passed the test of reading the Windows encrypted kdbx file.
o *Keepass2Android Offline*
- <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android_nonet>
o Passed the test of reading the Windows encrypted kdbx file.
o *Password Safe - Secure Password Manager*
- <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.reneph.passwordsafe>
o Failed as it would only import plaintext CSV but not encrypted KDBX files.
o *Kaspersky Password Manager & Secure Data Vault*
- <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kaspersky.passwordmanager>
o This asks for too many permissions (e.g., to make phone calls)
o Failed as it apparently required a login account - so it was deleted.
o *LastPass Password Manager*
- <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lastpass.lpandroid>
o Failed as it required a log in so it was not tested (and was deleted)
Note: There is also a Windows/Linux/Mac KeePassX & KeyPassXC
o <https://www.keepassx.org/downloads>
o <https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc>
o Not tested on Android (dunno if an Android port exists).
etc.
I still haven't written the general purpose tutorial where,
as always, iOS is the final hitch that has the most hurdles
(compared to all other platforms).
> Unlike you, being freeware isn┤ a big consideration for me.
I write tutorials for general purpose solutions.
o One component of a general purpose solution is for it to be free.
o Another component is that it has to work cross platform.
HINT: There's a reason Google provides LOTS of free cross-platform stuff.
> And no, doing all the things I want to do is easy on nearly any platform.
o But if you do things that are unscripted by Marketing, then it's different.
For example:
How do you read and write between Windows & iOS over USB both
to and from anywhere you want on the visible iOS file system from
using the standard tools provided by either Apple or Google without
putting thousands of your files on the net?
HINT: You can't.
o But I can.
The only difference is that I do things I want to do, which are often
(admittedly, very often) not scripted by Google or Apple.
I liken both Google & Apple to a rancher who leads the herd of
cows about using nose rings he inserted into their nose.
The cows don't feel the pain of the nose ring unless they try to go
somewhere outside the fence that the Apple/Google ranchers
erected to keep them in the corral.
Unfortunately, my nose is very sensitive to this Apple/Google nose ring.
>>The main problem with the walled-garden approach is that it doesn't usually
>>work well when Apple doesn't want it to work well, where, for example, Lord
>>help you if all you want to do is one of the simplest tasks imaginable,
>>such as list your currently installed apps into an editable text file.
>
> Listing my apps in a text file has no value to me, so that is a non-problem.
It's sad that you don't understand what I'm trying to explain,
even when I provide the _simplest_ possible example on the planet.
If you can't even comprehend the _simplest_ example, then,
um, er, how are you ever going to understand anything with
even a slight modicum of complexity?
Please understand, that was only the absolutely _simplest_
example I could think of. It was only an example.
If I actually listed all the things that iOS can't do that every other
platform just does, we'd be here for a very very very very very
very very very very very very very very very very... long time.
I think the fact you don't comprehend that it was simply the simplest
example I could think of means that your brain is missing the ability
to comprehend the difference between an example and every possible
scenario that I could detail.
For example, do you want me to explain why iOS devices can't archive
and re-install any IPA whatsoever on another iOS device?
The fact that you pooh poohed a mere simplest-of-all examples
is a clear indicator that your mind is already closed.
Do you want me to explain why iOS devices can't even do something
as simple as debug a WiFi setup at home, for example?
My point is that if your brain isn't able to comprehend even the
_simplest_ of examples, then your brain will _never_ comprehend
the real world.
It's sad that you don't understand what I'm trying to explain,
even when I provide the _simplest_ possible example on the planet.
> I suspect for the vast majority of users it isn┤ an issue at all.
> Mostly something to bitch about while trolling.
Hi Elfin,
If you can't comprehend even the _simplest_ of the simplest
of the simplest of examples, how on earth are you ever going
to comprehend something that is as complex as IPA management?
You can't comprehend even the _simplest_ of examples for Christs' sake.
Not only do you fail to comprehend that absolute simplest of
simple examples, but then you claim I'm a troll for providing you
that simplest of simple examples.
Think about how incongruously your mind works.
o You can't comprehend the _simplest_ of examples
And then you claim, merely because you can't comprehend
the concept of a simple example, that I'm a troll since you
assume all examples are that simple.
Jesus Christ Elfin
o You just proved (yet again) you own the mind of a mere child.
It's like I give you an example of addition where 1+1= 2,
and, then, merely because _you_ can't comprehend
that simple example, you disparage all subsequent
arithmetic math.
*Your own words prove you own the mind of a child, Elfin.*
Notice this is NOT an ad hominem attack
o It's simply pointing out EXACTLY what you just said
What it means is that I have to treat you as a child.
o Because that's how your mind works
Anything you can't possibly understand...
o You call a troll.
Lloyd Parsons
Mar 18, 2019, 12:52:18 PM3/18/19
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On 2019-03-18 16:12:45 +0000, arlen holder said:
> On 18 Mar 2019 10:35:47 -0500, Elfin wrote:
>
>> In a mixed environment, the Google apps make more sense.
>> They work fine and are pretty well featured. In my case and most other
>> Apple people I deal with, they and I use the Apple apps for the same reason.
>
> Hi Elfin,
>
> I agree with you and with Lloyd (Parsons?) that using the free
> general purpose Google/Apple-provided apps for two of the four things
> works great!
> o Calendaring (e.g., iCalendar formats)
> o Contacts (e.g., vCard formats)
> The main advantage is that both work FANTASTICALLY for most users.
> The main drawback is that both put your private data on the net.
I know you're hung up on that, but for most of us I suspect it is a
> On 18 Mar 2019 10:35:47 -0500, Elfin wrote:
>
>> In a mixed environment, the Google apps make more sense.
>> They work fine and are pretty well featured. In my case and most other
>> Apple people I deal with, they and I use the Apple apps for the same reason.
>
> Hi Elfin,
>
> I agree with you and with Lloyd (Parsons?) that using the free
> general purpose Google/Apple-provided apps for two of the four things
> works great!
> o Calendaring (e.g., iCalendar formats)
> o Contacts (e.g., vCard formats)
> The main advantage is that both work FANTASTICALLY for most users.
> The main drawback is that both put your private data on the net.
non-issue, especially those of us that use Apple apps. Here's a link
to an Apple support document about what is encrypted:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
>
> I don't think many people use a google/apple solution for:
> o Encrypted passwords (e.g., keepass.kdbx files)
Probably so for those that are in mixed situations. For Apple only
> I don't think many people use a google/apple solution for:
> o Encrypted passwords (e.g., keepass.kdbx files)
ones, there is built-in, encrypted password support. For mixed
situations, there are services providing that. I think some are free
though I haven't looked in a very long time. That many don't use them
is a problem they can cure if they want to or feel the need to.
Storing on iCloud is all encrypted, so again, not an issue for Apple users.
>
> The solution I am writing a tutorial for handles all four situations:
> o iCalendar files
> o vCard files
> o keepass.kdbx files
> o truecrypt.vc files
>
> o How do we most easily set up a freeware network of Windows + Linux +
> iOS + Android file systems
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/tKhwlZyOhf0/oc2gJAq7CAAJ>
>
> The only hitch is that it's always harder on iOS to find a free general purpose
> solution (which includes the need to be free software), whereas on all other
> platforms, that general purpose solution is more easily found in
> free open 'source software.
Feel free to do so, the geeks might even do it. The majority of us won't.
> The solution I am writing a tutorial for handles all four situations:
> o iCalendar files
> o vCard files
> o keepass.kdbx files
> o truecrypt.vc files
>
> o How do we most easily set up a freeware network of Windows + Linux +
> iOS + Android file systems
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/tKhwlZyOhf0/oc2gJAq7CAAJ>
>
> The only hitch is that it's always harder on iOS to find a free general purpose
> solution (which includes the need to be free software), whereas on all other
> platforms, that general purpose solution is more easily found in
> free open 'source software.
>
>> I use LastPass, there are plenty of others and nearly all are cross platform
>
> Thanks for that recommendation, where I've studied the various scenarios
> for private passing of encrypted password information between devices.
>
> o Which free Android KeePass kdbx-compatible password database manager
> do you recommend?
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/yUrCZ2v0tmg>
current setup is fine without it.
<< lots of good geeky stuff deleted >>
> If all you ever do is do what is already scripted, then solutions abound.
> o But if you do things that are unscripted by Marketing, then it's different.
>
> For example:
>
> How do you read and write between Windows & iOS over USB both
> to and from anywhere you want on the visible iOS file system from
> using the standard tools provided by either Apple or Google without
> putting thousands of your files on the net?
>
> HINT: You can't.
> o But I can.
huge problem seeking a solution.
<< self serving shit deleted >>
>
> If I actually listed all the things that iOS can't do that every other
> platform just does, we'd be here for a very very very very very
> very very very very very very very very very very... long time.
<< some more drivel deleted >>
This is my last response to you in this thread as you've now shown yet
again, that making snide remarks, copy/pasting crap from previous posts
of yours and generally just being the troll you are.
arlen holder
Mar 18, 2019, 2:12:53 PM3/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:52:15 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> I know you're hung up on that, but for most of us I suspect it is a
> non-issue, especially those of us that use Apple apps. Here's a link
> to an Apple support document about what is encrypted:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
Hi Lloyd Parsons,
> I know you're hung up on that, but for most of us I suspect it is a
> non-issue, especially those of us that use Apple apps. Here's a link
> to an Apple support document about what is encrypted:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
*You, Lloyd Parsons, feel _threatened_ by facts.*
My main point when I speak of nose rings, is _that_ is how we differ:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nose_ring_%28animal%29>
I appreciate that you seem to be able to respond as adults respond to
detailed facts, where, so far, nothing you have said appears to be
unreasonable.
I simply ask you to see BOTH SIDES of the equation, as I did on the Linux
"diddling", where only one side could be:
o I prefer to "diddle" with iTunes instead of "diddling" with Linux
And the other side could be:
o By replacing iTunes with Linux, I get far more functionality than iTunes
That is an example of seeing both sides of the equation.
o Note there are ZERO cons to using Linux since it doesn't preclude iTunes!
So it's the _best_ of all worlds, in fact.
o Whereas the iTunes solution isn't even supported on Linux
That simple fact turns Apple's iTunes into clearly the worst of all worlds,
in terms of cross-platform compatibility, power, freedom, and
functionality.
This "Apple solution being the worst of all worlds" situation also carries
over to your iCloud example, by the way.
For example, I appreciate that link to the "iCloud security overview" where
that clearly marketing propaganda document (rightly so) extols the virtues
of "two factor authentication", for example, but, since it's a marketing
document, there's nothing ever balanced there.
That is, marketing documents (almost) NEVER cover the "bad things"
of their proposed solution. They only cover the good things.
So it's, yet again, an imaginary world where:
a. Everything is good, and,
b. Nothing is bad.
That's just not how the real world works though.
o Everything has both pros and cons, even Apple things! :)
For example, that propaganda is missing this huge limitation:
o Apple Sued Over Not Letting Customers Disable Two-Factor Authentication After Two Weeks
<https://www.macrumors.com/2019/02/09/apple-two-factor-authentication-lawsuit/>
And, of course, the marketing document doesn't cover hacking either
where it wasn't the iCloud, per se that was hacked, but the iCloud accounts
still were hacked nonetheless:
o Apple reportedly target of shakedown over iCloud accounts
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/icloud-accounts-breach-gets-bigger-here-is-what-we-know/>
<https://www.cnet.com/news/hackers-apple-extortion-icloud-account-iphone/>
Notice that in the first example above, putting something on the cloud
means that you no longer control access to your own data.
Notice that in the second example above, the moment you put _anything_ on
the cloud, it can be breached by the weakest link, even if that weakest
link didn't come directly from Apple.
My point is that you need to see BOTH SIDES.
o If all you read are marketing propaganda, you'll _never_ see both sides.
To your point, I _clearly_ comprehend the ease of putting all your data on
the cloud the Google/Apple way. Trust me on that. I know it's easy.
*I also know _WHY_ Apple & Google make it so easy to give them your data.*
>> I don't think many people use a google/apple solution for:
>> o Encrypted passwords (e.g., keepass.kdbx files)
>
> Probably so for those that are in mixed situations. For Apple only
> ones, there is built-in, encrypted password support. For mixed
> situations, there are services providing that. I think some are free
> though I haven't looked in a very long time. That many don't use them
> is a problem they can cure if they want to or feel the need to.
*You, Lloyd Parsons, feel _threatened_ by facts.*
You are correct that the more recent iOS versions have a pretty good
password support, but that won't make it work cross platform.
Again, there are pros and cons to everything:
o Apple makes it easy to have all-Apple devices
o Apple doesn't make it easy to have a cross-platform environment
The basic question is what is the "real world" like?
Specific to each user:
o Does your real world include _only_ Apple devices?
If so, then the Apple approach works FANTASTICALLY.
o Does your real world include, for example, Linux devices?
If so, then the Apple approach works HORRIBLY (if even that well).
In short, both the Apple & Google approach work just fine for most of the
cattle in the herd, as long as they don't mind the pain of the nose ring as
Google & Apple lead the cattle about within their respective corrals.
Me?
o I hate the pain of that Google/Apple nose ring.
>> o Encrypted containers (e.g., truecrypt.vc files)
>
> Storing on iCloud is all encrypted, so again, not an issue for Apple users.
But what if you want your data back?
o Under certain circumstances, your data is gone, as you're aware
What if hackers get to your data?
o Under certain circumstances hackers can get to your data, as you're
aware.
My point is that the moment you put your data on the net, you've willingly
accepted the nose ring.
That's the difference between you (and most people), from me.
o I don't take that nose ring as willingly as you (and most people) do.
> Feel free to do so, the geeks might even do it. The majority of us won't.
They also willingly stay within the confines of the corral.
That's what makes them herd animals.
o Clearly I'm less of a herd animal than most.
>> How do you read and write between Windows & iOS over USB both
>> to and from anywhere you want on the visible iOS file system from
>> using the standard tools provided by either Apple or Google without
>> putting thousands of your files on the net?
>>
>> HINT: You can't.
>> o But I can.
>
> Who really cares? I haven't read anywhere that indicates this is a
> huge problem seeking a solution.
Since you're an adult, I think you understood how I move huge files from
Windows to iOS to play inside of VLC over the USB cable.
If you think this is a "problem seeking a solution", how on earth are YOU
going to do what I do all the time?
You're not going to move many gigabytes of movies & audio on the cloud
o Are you?
You're not going to move thousands of files at a time over WiFi
o Are you?
Since you claim that my trivially simple solution is a "problem seeking a
solution", I simply ask you how YOU would do what I do all the time, Lloyd.
Q: How do _you_ move many GB of your files from Windows to iOS?
A: ???
NOTE: If you do not have an answer, then your "claim" is false.
DOUBLENOTE: If it's _that_ easy to prove your claim false, then you really
need to look at what you claimed to see if your claim that it's a problem
seeking a solution holds any water.
Lloyd,
I mean this very seriously.
I think you're an adult, so I think that you should be embarrassed if I can
prove your arguments false with a simple question like this.
Q: How do _you_ move many GB of private files from Windows to iOS?
A: ???
>> If I actually listed all the things that iOS can't do that every other
>> platform just does, we'd be here for a very very very very very
>> very very very very very very very very very very... long time.
>
> And would be a list of your assertions seldom backed up by factual sources.
o *That's a statement that shows your mind is locked shut to actual facts.*
Lloyd,
If you are an adult, you really should not make claims that take seconds to
prove wrong. Really.
It should take me longer than a few seconds to show your claims wrong.
o What it means, really, sadly, is that your belief system is imaginary.
This is NOT an ad hominem attack.
o You made a claim just now, that is so wrong, that no adult could defend it.
If it takes me mere seconds to prove your entire belief system wrong Lloyd
o Then what does that tell you about your own ability to comprehend facts?
Lloyd, do you _really_ think that iOS does even close to what Android does?
Really?
No way are you _that_ clueless.
As an example, how does iOS load any launcher the user wants to load?
HINT: You can't.
How does the iOS user organize the desktop any way he wants, Lloyd?
HINT: You can't. (e.g., change the name of icons, have duplicates, etc.)
How do iOS users automatically record phone calls, Lloyd?
HINT: You can't.
How do iOS users debug wifi graphically at home for all access points?
HINT: You can't.
How do iOS users debug cellular femtocells & repeaters at home like I do?
HINT: You can't.
How do iOS users back up _all_ IPA files for reuse back on that iPad Lloyd?
HINT: You can't (notice I said all ... including older versions)
How do iOS users natively use the iOS device as a USB stick, Lloyd?
HINT: You can't.
How do iOS users freely scrape Google Map databases anonymously?
HINT: You can't.
How do iOS user subscribe to YouTube channels anonymously?
HINT: You can't.
How do iOS users load a free IPA from one person to another?
HINT: You can't (not without them being in the "family")
etc.
Lloyd,
It's sad that I have to tell you this fact, but the fact is a fact.
If your belief system is _that_ easy to completely destroy,
off the top of my head no less, then what does that tell you about your
ability to comprehend facts?
What it tells me is that your belief system is entirely imaginary.
o Because the facts are facts.
> This is my last response to you in this thread as you've now shown yet
> again, that making snide remarks, copy/pasting crap from previous posts
> of yours and generally just being the troll you are.
belief system.
The _reason_ mere facts completely DESTROY your belief system
o Is because your entire belief system is imaginary
The reason mere facts DESTROY your entire belief system in seconds
o Is because imaginary belief systems are THREATENED by facts
*You, Lloyd Parsons, feel _threatened_ by facts.*
nospam
Mar 18, 2019, 2:37:58 PM3/18/19
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In article <q6on33$k9l$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
if only you could do that. even just once.
> o By replacing iTunes with Linux, I get far more functionality than iTunes
you have no idea what functionality itunes even offers, so you can't
make that claim.
>
> You're not going to move many gigabytes of movies & audio on the cloud
> o Are you?
they're already there, ready to be streamed, and for anything that's
not, uploading is fast.
> You're not going to move thousands of files at a time over WiFi
> o Are you?
wifi is faster than usb and *much* faster than bluetooth, plus far more
convenient.
if only you could do that. even just once.
> o By replacing iTunes with Linux, I get far more functionality than iTunes
make that claim.
>
> You're not going to move many gigabytes of movies & audio on the cloud
> o Are you?
not, uploading is fast.
> You're not going to move thousands of files at a time over WiFi
> o Are you?
convenient.
Lloyd
Mar 18, 2019, 3:42:53 PM3/18/19
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <q6on33$k9l$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
> <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I simply ask you to see BOTH SIDES of the equation,
>
> if only you could do that. even just once.
>
That would be something new, wouldn’t it?
> In article <q6on33$k9l$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
> <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I simply ask you to see BOTH SIDES of the equation,
>
> if only you could do that. even just once.
>
>
>> o By replacing iTunes with Linux, I get far more functionality than iTunes
>
> you have no idea what functionality itunes even offers, so you can't
> make that claim.
>
I’m mostly Apple and don’t even use iTunes.
>> o By replacing iTunes with Linux, I get far more functionality than iTunes
>
> you have no idea what functionality itunes even offers, so you can't
> make that claim.
>
>>
>> You're not going to move many gigabytes of movies & audio on the cloud
>> o Are you?
>
> they're already there, ready to be streamed, and for anything that's
> not, uploading is fast.
>
Apple Music. Cheaper than buying!
>> You're not going to move thousands of files at a time over WiFi
>> o Are you?
>
> wifi is faster than usb and *much* faster than bluetooth, plus far more
> convenient.
>
--
Lloyd
nospam
Mar 18, 2019, 3:54:46 PM3/18/19
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In article
<1752824086.574630802.44...@news.individual.net>,
i believe the word you want is unprecedented.
<1752824086.574630802.44...@news.individual.net>,
Lloyd <elfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <q6on33$k9l$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
> > <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> >> I simply ask you to see BOTH SIDES of the equation,
> >
> > if only you could do that. even just once.
> >
> That would be something new, wouldnšt it?
> > In article <q6on33$k9l$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
> > <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> >> I simply ask you to see BOTH SIDES of the equation,
> >
> > if only you could do that. even just once.
> >
i believe the word you want is unprecedented.
arlen holder
Mar 18, 2019, 10:28:55 PM3/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 15:54:45 -0400, nospam wrote:
> i believe the word you want is unprecedented.
What's interesting is that your belief system is imaginary, hence, it takes
> i believe the word you want is unprecedented.
fewer than ten seconds to prove you dead wrong, nospam, on all accounts.
And yet, you've _never_ even once found my facts to be wrong.
o Not even once.
Out of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of posted facts.
o Never once have my facts been wrong(1)
You know why, nospam?
o HINT: Adults form a belief system that is bolstered by facts.
You know why you're almost always dead wrong nospam?
o HINT: Your belief system is wholly imaginary (hence devoid of fact)
The fact is that it generally takes fewer than ten seconds to DESTROY your
belief system nospam, which is simply because your belief system is not
based on fact.
HINT: Do you still believe the iPhone X isn't throttled nospam?
HINT: Do you still believe that iOS devices can graph wifi of all APs?
HINT: Do you still believe that NewPipe functionality exists on iOS?
HINT: Do you still believe AddressToGPS functioanlity exists on iOS?
HINT: Do you still believe "for a buck" you can match Android apps?
HINT: Do you still believe iOS can accurately determine the cellID?
HINT: Do you still believe iOS can back up an old IPA not on iTunes?
etc.
The fact is that you're almost always dead wrong, nospam.
The only question used to be whether you're almost always wrong because
a. You're incredibly unfathomably stupid, nospam, or
b. You are always pulling our leg
You proved with your analysis of your own Qualcomm cite that it's (a)
o You really are that unfathomably stupid, nospam.
That's just sad.
o That's not an ad hominem attack.
It's simply an understanding of _why_ you're almost always dead wrong.
o You do not appear to comprehend even your own cites, nospam.
--
Since I'm human, at least once in thousands of posts, I must have gotten a
fact wrong, but it's unlikely because I don't write things that aren't well
known facts since my belief system is based on facts.
nospam
Mar 18, 2019, 10:34:53 PM3/18/19
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In article <q6pk56$b0f$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
countless times, as have many others.
your 'facts' are anything but.
countless times, as have many others.
your 'facts' are anything but.
arlen holder
Mar 19, 2019, 10:20:06 AM3/19/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 22:34:53 -0400, nospam wrote:
> countless times, as have many others.
>
> your 'facts' are anything but.
What amazes me about you nospam...
> countless times, as have many others.
>
> your 'facts' are anything but.
o Is that you are so un-embarrassed to be so easily proven dead wrong
HINT: Do you still believe the iPhone X isn't throttled nospam?
HINT: Do you still believe that iOS devices can graph wifi of all APs?
HINT: Do you still believe that NewPipe functionality exists on iOS?
HINT: Do you still believe AddressToGPS functioanlity exists on iOS?
HINT: Do you still believe "for a buck" you can match Android apps?
HINT: Do you still believe iOS can accurately determine the cellID?
HINT: Do you still believe iOS can back up an old IPA not on iTunes?
etc.
o The only question was why are you almost always dead wrong, nospam?
There are only two options for you to almost always be so wrong, nospam:
a. Either you simply don't have the capacity to comprehend facts, or,
b. You're just pulling our leg
(Pick one.)
In this Qualcomm situation, it's clear that you actually _believed_ what
you said. Hence, it's (a). You really _are_ that incredibly stupid, nospam.
That's just sad.
nospam
Mar 19, 2019, 11:10:26 AM3/19/19
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In article <q6qtqk$tho$3...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
nobody but you and cell technicians care about that, but regardless,
doing so is *trivial*:
<http://i.imgur.com/DcDiuL7.jpg>
other options:
<http://i.imgur.com/3YvIa8q.jpg>
<http://i.imgur.com/xyoJ9ZX.jpg>
<http://i.imgur.com/hnbmH0O.jpg>
nobody but you and cell technicians care about that, but regardless,
doing so is *trivial*:
<http://i.imgur.com/DcDiuL7.jpg>
other options:
<http://i.imgur.com/3YvIa8q.jpg>
<http://i.imgur.com/xyoJ9ZX.jpg>
<http://i.imgur.com/hnbmH0O.jpg>
arlen holder
Mar 19, 2019, 12:55:49 PM3/19/19
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:10:25 -0400, nospam wrote:
> nobody but you and cell technicians care about that, but regardless,
> doing so is *trivial*:
>
> <http://i.imgur.com/DcDiuL7.jpg>
>
> other options:
> <http://i.imgur.com/3YvIa8q.jpg>
> <http://i.imgur.com/xyoJ9ZX.jpg>
Hi nospam,
> nobody but you and cell technicians care about that, but regardless,
> doing so is *trivial*:
>
> <http://i.imgur.com/DcDiuL7.jpg>
>
> other options:
> <http://i.imgur.com/3YvIa8q.jpg>
> <http://i.imgur.com/xyoJ9ZX.jpg>
Your screenshots came from:
o iPhone Field Test question (4/6/2017)
<https://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1895605-iPhone-Field-Test-question>
Where nobody denied that FTM existed but didn't work between 4.x & 10.x
o The facts below showed it no longer _accurately_ reports the actual ID.
o Which app do you use to scan/debug GSM/CDMA cellular tower signal strength?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/LizlMNsu49Q>
o Is there a reason (what is the reason) Apple iOS won't let users get the cell tower ID?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1QKD-6c06_w>
o It's a fact current iOS devices can't even report the correct cell tower ID
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/2F_24NrIU3Q/t7_jS4zyAgAJ>
Since Apple constantly changes what FTM can do (e.g., somewhere after iOS
4.x they changed the cell tower reporting, and somewhere between 10 and 11
they dropped the decibel reading), let's state a basic fact that it's 2019.
What does Apple FTM report in 2019 for an "accurate" unique cell tower ID?
o (*3001#12345#*) > Serving Cell Info > {Cell Identity, Physical Cell ID}
HINT: If it's a number like "2", it's not the accurate cell tower ID.
DOUBLEHINT: If comes from OpenSignal on the Internet, it's not accurate.
TRIPLEHINT: My T-Mobile femtocell unique id is not listed on the Internet.
Dark Star
Mar 21, 2019, 4:13:27 AM3/21/19
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Some good pts. THE dealbreaker for all apple crap is NO CARD
SLOT, as u said. U forgot Itunes being THE worst program EVER
MADE!
However, just bc u had good pts didn't mean u had to be a
condescending ass about it! He asked a legit Q in a decent way.
Its like u were accusing him of being a Trumpie!
--
arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> Wrote in message:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:31:26 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>
>> For tablets I would certainly agree, ipads of all sorts are just better
>> than any Android tablet I▔e seen, and I▔e had and still have quite a few.
>
>> For tablets I would certainly agree, ipads of all sorts are just better
>
> Hi Lloyd,
>
> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
> o I have iPads & Android devices, where I base my beliefs on actual facts.
>
> If you also base your beliefs on facts, then you should be able to pass the
> simple 3-word "name just one" test of your belief system, Lloyd.
>
> Certainly Android tablets are "better" than iOS tablets in some ways.
> o For example, external sd slots
>
> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
>
> In fact, I can name a _lot_ of app functionality on Android not on iOS.
> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
>
> o That means my belief system is based on facts.
>
> Now let's test _your_ belief system.
> o Is _your_ belief system imaginary?
> o Or is your belief system based on fact?
>
> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
>
> QUESTION TO TEST Lloy'ds belief system (is it imaginary, or factual?).
>
> Q: What app functionality do you use on iPads, that isn't on Android?
> o Name just one
>
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arlen holder
Mar 21, 2019, 11:40:54 AM3/21/19
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 01:13:26 -0700 (PDT), Dark Star wrote:
> Some good pts.
Hi Dark Star,
FACTS:
The thread covers, pretty well, the astoundingly huge differences
between the two platforms for an advanced user, while, for a novice user
such as the OP appears to be, both platforms do the bare basics.
LOGIC:
Those are plain simple obvious well-known facts.
o There's no need to get worked up about simple basic obvious facts.
> THE dealbreaker for all apple crap is NO CARD SLOT, as u said.
FACTS:
o There's hardware functionality on Android not on any iOS device, and,
o There's app functionality on Android not on any iOS device ever sold.
LOGIC:
Again, these are basic facts that are obvious to all sentient adults.
> U forgot Itunes being THE worst program EVER MADE!
FACT:
It's mentioned, I think, that Android does a _lot_ of things that iOS can't
possibly hope to do (even trivially simple things like outputting the list
of apps into an editable text file), without iOS needing to add about ten
pounds of computer & hundreds of megabytes of bloatware to the device.
LOGIC:
We've all used the iTunes abomination where, my humble opinion is
o Those who are inclined to use the iTunes abomination ... deserve it.
> However, just bc u had good pts didn't mean u had to be a
> condescending ass about it!
As an adult, you can disagree with my logic - but not with the facts.
o Facts are funny that way.
LOGIC:
Based on the idiocy of the original post, I _assumed_ he was a troll.
FACTS:
o The OP asked for help to decide between iOS & Android
o The OP's stated needs are extremely basic (hence both suffice)
Then...
o The OP's stated "worry" is that his devices are "stuck at Android 6.1"
LOGIC:
o That word "stuck" is the first clue that the OP is being disingenuous
Then...
o The OP stated Android 6.1 was "abandoned at that level"
LOGIC:
o That word "abandoned" is another clue the OP is being disingenuous.
FACT:
Then the OP "worries" about "new versions" not running in the future.
LOGIC:
o WTF? It makes no sense to be that worried over absolutely nothing.
FACT:
o Then the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_ claims
o "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
LOGIC:
o All the words chosen are scare tactics, FUD, fear mongering.
Then the OP goes on about how iOS doesn't have these imaginary flaws.
FACT:
o OP says "I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2"
o "which... is more likely to continue to receive updates"
LOGIC:
o The OP is a novice & yet is claiming to be worried about software updates
FACT:
o There's nothing of value (& quite a lot of negative value) in iOS updates
FACT:
o Then the OP brings up iOS integration to Windows 10
LOGIC:
o That's a WTF because the OP doesn't mention Android with Windows 10.
have experience in working with a mixed system like this - what to do to
make it work, and what NOT to do.
> He asked a legit Q in a decent way.
FACT:
o The OP asked to "to hear from those of you who have experience"
o Specifically experience "in working with a mixed system"
LOGIC:
o We gave the OP that advice in good faith, noting the obvious facts.
QUESTION FOR YOU DARK STAR:
o *Are we supposed to completely _ignore_ all the obvious facts?*
FACT:
o The OP subsequently said of people who noted these facts
o "Thanks for all the 'constructive' responders" (irony noted)
o "I'm sorry you have such a poor outlook on life"
*We were _helping_ him, and he's sorry that we comprehend facts?*
In summary, the OP is so worried about nothing that our advice is:
o For what the OP does, either platform will do what he needs done
> Its like u were accusing him of being a Trumpie!
FACT:
o I have never initiated _any_ conversation on the net on politics.
LOGIC:
o Unilaterally bringing Trump to the mix is a corollary of Godwin's Law
In summary...
FACT: The OP asked for cross platform advice and we gave him that advice.
LOGIC: The advice is that his needs are such that either platform is fine.
> Some good pts.
Hi Dark Star,
FACTS:
The thread covers, pretty well, the astoundingly huge differences
between the two platforms for an advanced user, while, for a novice user
such as the OP appears to be, both platforms do the bare basics.
LOGIC:
Those are plain simple obvious well-known facts.
o There's no need to get worked up about simple basic obvious facts.
> THE dealbreaker for all apple crap is NO CARD SLOT, as u said.
o There's hardware functionality on Android not on any iOS device, and,
o There's app functionality on Android not on any iOS device ever sold.
LOGIC:
Again, these are basic facts that are obvious to all sentient adults.
> U forgot Itunes being THE worst program EVER MADE!
It's mentioned, I think, that Android does a _lot_ of things that iOS can't
possibly hope to do (even trivially simple things like outputting the list
of apps into an editable text file), without iOS needing to add about ten
pounds of computer & hundreds of megabytes of bloatware to the device.
LOGIC:
We've all used the iTunes abomination where, my humble opinion is
o Those who are inclined to use the iTunes abomination ... deserve it.
> However, just bc u had good pts didn't mean u had to be a
> condescending ass about it!
o Facts are funny that way.
LOGIC:
Based on the idiocy of the original post, I _assumed_ he was a troll.
FACTS:
o The OP asked for help to decide between iOS & Android
o The OP's stated needs are extremely basic (hence both suffice)
Then...
o The OP's stated "worry" is that his devices are "stuck at Android 6.1"
LOGIC:
o That word "stuck" is the first clue that the OP is being disingenuous
Then...
o The OP stated Android 6.1 was "abandoned at that level"
LOGIC:
o That word "abandoned" is another clue the OP is being disingenuous.
FACT:
Then the OP "worries" about "new versions" not running in the future.
LOGIC:
o WTF? It makes no sense to be that worried over absolutely nothing.
FACT:
o Then the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_ claims
o "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
LOGIC:
o All the words chosen are scare tactics, FUD, fear mongering.
Then the OP goes on about how iOS doesn't have these imaginary flaws.
FACT:
o OP says "I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2"
o "which... is more likely to continue to receive updates"
LOGIC:
o The OP is a novice & yet is claiming to be worried about software updates
FACT:
o There's nothing of value (& quite a lot of negative value) in iOS updates
FACT:
o Then the OP brings up iOS integration to Windows 10
LOGIC:
o That's a WTF because the OP doesn't mention Android with Windows 10.
have experience in working with a mixed system like this - what to do to
make it work, and what NOT to do.
> He asked a legit Q in a decent way.
o The OP asked to "to hear from those of you who have experience"
o Specifically experience "in working with a mixed system"
LOGIC:
o We gave the OP that advice in good faith, noting the obvious facts.
QUESTION FOR YOU DARK STAR:
o *Are we supposed to completely _ignore_ all the obvious facts?*
FACT:
o The OP subsequently said of people who noted these facts
o "Thanks for all the 'constructive' responders" (irony noted)
o "I'm sorry you have such a poor outlook on life"
*We were _helping_ him, and he's sorry that we comprehend facts?*
In summary, the OP is so worried about nothing that our advice is:
o For what the OP does, either platform will do what he needs done
> Its like u were accusing him of being a Trumpie!
o I have never initiated _any_ conversation on the net on politics.
LOGIC:
o Unilaterally bringing Trump to the mix is a corollary of Godwin's Law
In summary...
FACT: The OP asked for cross platform advice and we gave him that advice.
LOGIC: The advice is that his needs are such that either platform is fine.
Lloyd Parsons
Mar 21, 2019, 1:00:54 PM3/21/19
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seen him in.
> LOGIC:
> Based on the idiocy of the original post, I _assumed_ he was a troll.
>
> FACTS:
> o The OP asked for help to decide between iOS & Android
> o The OP's stated needs are extremely basic (hence both suffice)
>
idiocy in responses. Others that responded didn’t seem to feel the need to
be such an asshole.
> Then...
> o The OP's stated "worry" is that his devices are "stuck at Android 6.1"
>
> LOGIC:
> o That word "stuck" is the first clue that the OP is being disingenuous
>
> Then...
> o The OP stated Android 6.1 was "abandoned at that level"
>
> LOGIC:
> o That word "abandoned" is another clue the OP is being disingenuous.
>
> FACT:
> o Then the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_ claims
> o "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
>
> FACT:
> o OP says "I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2"
> o "which... is more likely to continue to receive updates"
>
> o The OP is a novice & yet is claiming to be worried about software updates
>
>> He asked a legit Q in a decent way.
>
> FACT:
> o The OP asked to "to hear from those of you who have experience"
> o Specifically experience "in working with a mixed system"
>
> LOGIC:
> o We gave the OP that advice in good faith, noting the obvious facts.
>
> *We were _helping_ him, and he's sorry that we comprehend facts?*
>
> In summary, the OP is so worried about nothing that our advice is:
> o For what the OP does, either platform will do what he needs done
It should be noted he said that after you injected your usual bullshit.
>
> In summary, the OP is so worried about nothing that our advice is:
> o For what the OP does, either platform will do what he needs done
--
Lloyd
123456789
Mar 21, 2019, 1:13:14 PM3/21/19
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arlen holder wrote:
> The OP stated Android 6.1 was "abandoned at that level"
> The OP stated Android 6.1 was "abandoned at that level"
> That word "abandoned" is another clue the OP is being
> disingenuous.
I have several Android devices where the OS has been
> disingenuous.
abandoned (no more updates). Seems like a good description
to me.
> the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_
It varies by the Pixel. But likely it will be at least 3 years.
BTW I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with in
June of last year. Google's end of life page says updates
will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for me...
Lloyd
Mar 21, 2019, 1:28:20 PM3/21/19
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123456789 <12...@12345.com> wrote:
> arlen holder wrote:
>
>> The OP stated Android 6.1 was "abandoned at that level"
>> That word "abandoned" is another clue the OP is being
>> disingenuous.
>
> I have several Android devices where the OS has been
> abandoned (no more updates). Seems like a good description
> to me.
>
Me too. Not a big deal for what I use my Android tablets for which is
> arlen holder wrote:
>
>> The OP stated Android 6.1 was "abandoned at that level"
>> That word "abandoned" is another clue the OP is being
>> disingenuous.
>
> I have several Android devices where the OS has been
> abandoned (no more updates). Seems like a good description
> to me.
>
mostly ebook reading.
>> the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_
>> claims "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
>
> It varies by the Pixel. But likely it will be at least 3 years.
>
> BTW I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with in
> June of last year. Google's end of life page says updates
> will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for me...
>
done with ChromeOS. Google doesn’t have that control over Android by
choice. That’s one big advantage that iOS devices have, Apple is in sole
control of when and how updates/upgrades will be done. Of course since
Apple does the whole widget it is easier to do that.
--
Lloyd
123456789
Mar 21, 2019, 1:53:45 PM3/21/19
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Lloyd wrote:
>> I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with
>> in June of last year. Google's end of life page says
>> updates will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for
>> me...
> That’s most likely because Google controls when and how
> updates will be done with ChromeOS. Google doesn’t have
> that control over Android by choice.
Though this Chromebook's OS has been updated a few times
>> I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with
>> in June of last year. Google's end of life page says
>> updates will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for
>> me...
> That’s most likely because Google controls when and how
> updates will be done with ChromeOS. Google doesn’t have
> that control over Android by choice.
since I've had it, the Android part hasn't and is still on
7.1.1. I wonder if I have a half-abandoned device... :-/
Lloyd Parsons
Mar 21, 2019, 2:42:02 PM3/21/19
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can’t check
--
Lloyd
arlen holder
Mar 21, 2019, 2:56:34 PM3/21/19
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 12:28:18 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
> That┬ most likely because Google controls when and how updates will be
> done with ChromeOS. Google doesn┤ have that control over Android by
> choice. That┬ one big advantage that iOS devices have, Apple is in sole
*Your clear & utterly fantastic ignorance of iOS, is astoundingly obvious!*
Do you have _any_ idea what bugs Apple _introduces_ in iOS updates?
o None?
Are you literally _that_ ignorant of iOS, Lloyd?
o Really?
HINT: Did you ever hear of throttling software, Lloyd?
HINT: Did you completly forget about the massive security holes in iOS?
HINT: Did you not read about the Facetime privacy holes introduced in iOS?
HINT: Did you ignore the login bypass introduced by iOS?
HINT: Have you forgotten about shipping broadcom bugs in iOS?
HINT: Have you missed completely the infinite loop of trust bugs in iOS?
etc.
I have studied you Apple apologists for _years_, where the fact is that
you're almost always fantastically ignorant of what is shipped in iOS.
*All you see, is the frequency of updates (like a diarrhea of releases)*
WHat I've noticed is that the sheer frequency of release ...
o Is what makes you _feel_ save.
Notice that the fact that almost every iOS release introduces massive bugs
o Is something you appear to be completely ignorant of
All you care about, is the _frequency_ of release.
o Apple Marketing KNOWS THIS is all you care about
You only want to _feel_ safe
o You are too ignorant of what is actually in iOS to comprehend more
All you know are "numbers" of releases (like a diarrhea of releases).
o The _frequency_ alone, sans any value, is what makes you feel safe!
HINT: My belief system is based on facts; not on Apple Marketing Propaganda.
FACTS:
o Apple iOS 12.1.4 has a nasty surprise - installing iOS 12.1.4 is like playing Russian roulette
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/9LUmdes363g>
o Yet another non-root password-stealing bug on Apple
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ocCnzVh3BxQ>
o Making sense of the many Apple security flaws
<https://www.wired.com/story/apples-security-macos-high-sierra-ios-11/>
o Apple just now BLOCKED Live Photos in FaceTime for all _current_ iOS & macOS users!
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fQ3Kb96gedA>
o An astounding list of security vulnerabilities found in Apple software
<https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2017/5/15/the-may-2017-apple-security-update-review>
o Lockscreen exploit easily found only hours after iOS 12.1 released
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/N-hQKPDI4a0/4tfgLojLAAAJ>
o A massive security hole has been found in iOS 11
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/xGV0X_Qfqc4/VqqWWwMXBAAJ>
o icloud privacy breach
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eZjiSd1HneE>
o MacWorld: Apple needs to stop promising new products and start delivering them
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WYjTtnTs-XQ/YyhGkrNXAAAJ>
o Yet again, Apple forgot to test iOS 11.2.6 in the real world
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/AlkmHCTSUXg/K5GdwrzdCQAJ>
o Yet more proof Apple doesn't test their software sufficiently
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/8HfdPOQVNVk>
o Yet another shoddy example of Apple rushing to fix a critical issue
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/mqTrBBlvGCU/jrJWtF8DBAAJ>
o Apple openly admits they didn't test iOS in the real world!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/K8uOvBjJ2rY/2htXivAfAwAJ>
o Apple Was Slow to Act on FaceTime Bug That Allows Spying on iPhones
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/technology/facetime-glitch-apple.html>
o iOS 12.1 Beta Includes Fix for iOS 12 iPhone and iPad Charging Issue
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/pdlKvBUmrj0/8jnSieURAwAJ>
o Is Apple seriously suggesting that millions of unsuspecting customers -
now become - beta testers - just so that their phones will work!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/xrovVjnWUo4/mWmtp7EYAwAJ>
o How to work around the new Apple iOS7 infinite loop of mistrust bug on Linux?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/_e0czhOYSHo/WuyowzN73IsJ>
o Every time iOS updates, Apple causes new problems in the REAL world...
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Z6xD4HaiyjE/Jr5yYrBUCAAJ>
o Remember Apple essentially LIED to Congress last year ... well ... guess what ...
ANOTHER LETTER for Tim Cook from Congress (on throttling the iPhone X)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wTAPRuSJoaw>
etc
> That┬ most likely because Google controls when and how updates will be
> done with ChromeOS. Google doesn┤ have that control over Android by
> choice. That┬ one big advantage that iOS devices have, Apple is in sole
> control of when and how updates/upgrades will be done. Of course since
> Apple does the whole widget it is easier to do that.
Hi Lloyd,
> Apple does the whole widget it is easier to do that.
*Your clear & utterly fantastic ignorance of iOS, is astoundingly obvious!*
Do you have _any_ idea what bugs Apple _introduces_ in iOS updates?
o None?
Are you literally _that_ ignorant of iOS, Lloyd?
o Really?
HINT: Did you ever hear of throttling software, Lloyd?
HINT: Did you completly forget about the massive security holes in iOS?
HINT: Did you not read about the Facetime privacy holes introduced in iOS?
HINT: Did you ignore the login bypass introduced by iOS?
HINT: Have you forgotten about shipping broadcom bugs in iOS?
HINT: Have you missed completely the infinite loop of trust bugs in iOS?
etc.
I have studied you Apple apologists for _years_, where the fact is that
you're almost always fantastically ignorant of what is shipped in iOS.
*All you see, is the frequency of updates (like a diarrhea of releases)*
WHat I've noticed is that the sheer frequency of release ...
o Is what makes you _feel_ save.
Notice that the fact that almost every iOS release introduces massive bugs
o Is something you appear to be completely ignorant of
All you care about, is the _frequency_ of release.
o Apple Marketing KNOWS THIS is all you care about
You only want to _feel_ safe
o You are too ignorant of what is actually in iOS to comprehend more
All you know are "numbers" of releases (like a diarrhea of releases).
o The _frequency_ alone, sans any value, is what makes you feel safe!
HINT: My belief system is based on facts; not on Apple Marketing Propaganda.
FACTS:
o Apple iOS 12.1.4 has a nasty surprise - installing iOS 12.1.4 is like playing Russian roulette
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/9LUmdes363g>
o Yet another non-root password-stealing bug on Apple
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ocCnzVh3BxQ>
o Making sense of the many Apple security flaws
<https://www.wired.com/story/apples-security-macos-high-sierra-ios-11/>
o Apple just now BLOCKED Live Photos in FaceTime for all _current_ iOS & macOS users!
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fQ3Kb96gedA>
o An astounding list of security vulnerabilities found in Apple software
<https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2017/5/15/the-may-2017-apple-security-update-review>
o Lockscreen exploit easily found only hours after iOS 12.1 released
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/N-hQKPDI4a0/4tfgLojLAAAJ>
o A massive security hole has been found in iOS 11
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/xGV0X_Qfqc4/VqqWWwMXBAAJ>
o icloud privacy breach
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eZjiSd1HneE>
o MacWorld: Apple needs to stop promising new products and start delivering them
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WYjTtnTs-XQ/YyhGkrNXAAAJ>
o Yet again, Apple forgot to test iOS 11.2.6 in the real world
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/AlkmHCTSUXg/K5GdwrzdCQAJ>
o Yet more proof Apple doesn't test their software sufficiently
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/8HfdPOQVNVk>
o Yet another shoddy example of Apple rushing to fix a critical issue
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/mqTrBBlvGCU/jrJWtF8DBAAJ>
o Apple openly admits they didn't test iOS in the real world!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/K8uOvBjJ2rY/2htXivAfAwAJ>
o Apple Was Slow to Act on FaceTime Bug That Allows Spying on iPhones
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/technology/facetime-glitch-apple.html>
o iOS 12.1 Beta Includes Fix for iOS 12 iPhone and iPad Charging Issue
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/pdlKvBUmrj0/8jnSieURAwAJ>
o Is Apple seriously suggesting that millions of unsuspecting customers -
now become - beta testers - just so that their phones will work!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/xrovVjnWUo4/mWmtp7EYAwAJ>
o How to work around the new Apple iOS7 infinite loop of mistrust bug on Linux?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/_e0czhOYSHo/WuyowzN73IsJ>
o Every time iOS updates, Apple causes new problems in the REAL world...
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Z6xD4HaiyjE/Jr5yYrBUCAAJ>
o Remember Apple essentially LIED to Congress last year ... well ... guess what ...
ANOTHER LETTER for Tim Cook from Congress (on throttling the iPhone X)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wTAPRuSJoaw>
etc
arlen holder
Mar 21, 2019, 2:56:35 PM3/21/19
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On 21 Mar 2019 17:00:53 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>> [39 quoted lines suppressed]
> It is how Arlen rolls. It is the way he posts in every newsgroup that I▔e
> seen him in.
Hi Lloyd Parsons,
You _always_ see facts from me, and then adult rational logic.
o You can disagree with the logic (logic is funny that way)
o But nobody has ever found any facts I've stated to ever be wrong.
Think about that fact, Lloyd Parsons.
o Out of _thousands_ of posts, not ONCE have the facts I've stated been wrong.
Trust me that the apologists would _love_ to find one of my facts wrong.
o And yet, they can't.
Do you know why Lloyd Parsons?
o I do.
HINT:
o My belief system isn't based on imaginary functionality, Lloyd Parsons.
BTW, how much added value did _you_, Lloyd Parsons, add in this thread?
a) You claimed the "Apple ecosystem" is somehow (magically?) "better"
b) You punt to "iCloud" even for your most basic storage/archival needs
c) You don't even appear to _comprehend_ what a LAN is for Christs' sake
Apparently, all you _can_ do, Lloyd Parsons, is what Apple tells you.
o You're clearly led around by the loop Apple put in your nose
That's find, by the way, that you are led by the nose loop.
*But you don't even know what a LAN is for Christs' sake Lloyd.*
o And yet, you disparage that we have solutions that work on them!
You maintain an imaginary belief system, which is fine, and yet,
o At the same time, you disparage factual belief systems that work.
> arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>> [39 quoted lines suppressed]
> It is how Arlen rolls. It is the way he posts in every newsgroup that I▔e
> seen him in.
Hi Lloyd Parsons,
You _always_ see facts from me, and then adult rational logic.
o You can disagree with the logic (logic is funny that way)
o But nobody has ever found any facts I've stated to ever be wrong.
Think about that fact, Lloyd Parsons.
o Out of _thousands_ of posts, not ONCE have the facts I've stated been wrong.
Trust me that the apologists would _love_ to find one of my facts wrong.
o And yet, they can't.
Do you know why Lloyd Parsons?
o I do.
HINT:
o My belief system isn't based on imaginary functionality, Lloyd Parsons.
BTW, how much added value did _you_, Lloyd Parsons, add in this thread?
a) You claimed the "Apple ecosystem" is somehow (magically?) "better"
b) You punt to "iCloud" even for your most basic storage/archival needs
c) You don't even appear to _comprehend_ what a LAN is for Christs' sake
Apparently, all you _can_ do, Lloyd Parsons, is what Apple tells you.
o You're clearly led around by the loop Apple put in your nose
That's find, by the way, that you are led by the nose loop.
*But you don't even know what a LAN is for Christs' sake Lloyd.*
o And yet, you disparage that we have solutions that work on them!
You maintain an imaginary belief system, which is fine, and yet,
o At the same time, you disparage factual belief systems that work.
lew
Mar 21, 2019, 3:33:08 PM3/21/19
to
On 2019-03-21, Lloyd <elfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 123456789 <12...@12345.com> wrote:
>> arlen holder wrote:
>>
>>> The OP stated Android 6.1 was "abandoned at that level"
>>> That word "abandoned" is another clue the OP is being
>>> disingenuous.
>>
>> I have several Android devices where the OS has been
>> abandoned (no more updates). Seems like a good description
>> to me.
>>
> Me too. Not a big deal for what I use my Android tablets for which is
> mostly ebook reading.
>
>>> the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_
>>> claims "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
>>
>> It varies by the Pixel. But likely it will be at least 3 years.
>>
>> BTW I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with in
>> June of last year. Google's end of life page says updates
>> will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for me...
>>
> That???s most likely because Google controls when and how updates will be
> 123456789 <12...@12345.com> wrote:
>> arlen holder wrote:
>>
>>> The OP stated Android 6.1 was "abandoned at that level"
>>> That word "abandoned" is another clue the OP is being
>>> disingenuous.
>>
>> I have several Android devices where the OS has been
>> abandoned (no more updates). Seems like a good description
>> to me.
>>
> Me too. Not a big deal for what I use my Android tablets for which is
> mostly ebook reading.
>
>>> the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_
>>> claims "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
>>
>> It varies by the Pixel. But likely it will be at least 3 years.
>>
>> BTW I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with in
>> June of last year. Google's end of life page says updates
>> will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for me...
>>
> done with ChromeOS. Google doesn???t have that control over Android by
> choice. That???s one big advantage that iOS devices have, Apple is in sole
> control of when and how updates/upgrades will be done. Of course since
> Apple does the whole widget it is easier to do that.
>
>
Which is also why people got suckered to think that apple is the
> Apple does the whole widget it is easier to do that.
>
>
company "for the people" with apple in the super bowl. apple
is really a fascist company. I found that some/many "free"
apps for apple must be downloaded from the apple store.
The 'pc' is really the computer for
the people because there are so many variations of hardware
like people.
nospam
Mar 21, 2019, 3:44:47 PM3/21/19
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In article <q70otj$pj6$1...@dont-email.me>, lew
> I found that some/many "free"
> apps for apple must be downloaded from the apple store.
so what? one tap.
all apps need to be downloaded from *somewhere*.
or were you expecting all free apps to be bundled with every os,
including android and windows?
download whatever apps you want. some are free. some are not. each
person chooses what to use for their needs.
<citrus...@google.mailer.company.invalid> wrote:
> >>> the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_
> >>> claims "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
> >>
> >> It varies by the Pixel. But likely it will be at least 3 years.
> >>
> >> BTW I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with in
> >> June of last year. Google's end of life page says updates
> >> will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for me...
> >>
> > That???s most likely because Google controls when and how updates will be
> > done with ChromeOS. Google doesn???t have that control over Android by
> > choice. That???s one big advantage that iOS devices have, Apple is in sole
> > control of when and how updates/upgrades will be done. Of course since
> > Apple does the whole widget it is easier to do that.
> >
> Which is also why people got suckered to think that apple is the
> company "for the people" with apple in the super bowl. apple
> is really a fascist company.
nonsense.
> >>> the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_
> >>> claims "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
> >>
> >> It varies by the Pixel. But likely it will be at least 3 years.
> >>
> >> BTW I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with in
> >> June of last year. Google's end of life page says updates
> >> will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for me...
> >>
> > That???s most likely because Google controls when and how updates will be
> > done with ChromeOS. Google doesn???t have that control over Android by
> > choice. That???s one big advantage that iOS devices have, Apple is in sole
> > control of when and how updates/upgrades will be done. Of course since
> > Apple does the whole widget it is easier to do that.
> >
> Which is also why people got suckered to think that apple is the
> company "for the people" with apple in the super bowl. apple
> is really a fascist company.
> I found that some/many "free"
> apps for apple must be downloaded from the apple store.
all apps need to be downloaded from *somewhere*.
or were you expecting all free apps to be bundled with every os,
including android and windows?
download whatever apps you want. some are free. some are not. each
person chooses what to use for their needs.
nospam
Mar 21, 2019, 3:44:48 PM3/21/19
to
In article
<1596799033.574881684.30...@news.individual.net>,
> done with ChromeOS. Google doesnšt have that control over Android by
> choice. Thatšs one big advantage that iOS devices have, Apple is in sole
for other android manufacturers, google can give them the latest
release, but it's up to each manufacturer what to do with it. some
support it better than others. they would prefer to sell you a new
phone so they're not overly motivated to support too far back.
<1596799033.574881684.30...@news.individual.net>,
Lloyd <elfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_
> >> claims "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
> >
> > It varies by the Pixel. But likely it will be at least 3 years.
> >
> > BTW I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with in
> > June of last year. Google's end of life page says updates
> > will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for me...
> >
> Thatšs most likely because Google controls when and how updates will be
> >> the OP waxes over the cost of the Pixel, which he _then_
> >> claims "Will [only] be updated for a year or two.
> >
> > It varies by the Pixel. But likely it will be at least 3 years.
> >
> > BTW I bought this Samsung Chromebook Pro I'm posting with in
> > June of last year. Google's end of life page says updates
> > will stop in November of 2022. So 4 years for me...
> >
> done with ChromeOS. Google doesnšt have that control over Android by
> choice. Thatšs one big advantage that iOS devices have, Apple is in sole
> control of when and how updates/upgrades will be done. Of course since
> Apple does the whole widget it is easier to do that.
google has that control for pixel phones/tablets.
> Apple does the whole widget it is easier to do that.
for other android manufacturers, google can give them the latest
release, but it's up to each manufacturer what to do with it. some
support it better than others. they would prefer to sell you a new
phone so they're not overly motivated to support too far back.
123456789
Mar 21, 2019, 7:02:48 PM3/21/19
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lew wrote:
> The 'pc' is really the computer for the people because
> there are so many variations of hardware like people.
In my house there is some of each: iOS, Chrome OS, Windows
> The 'pc' is really the computer for the people because
> there are so many variations of hardware like people.
OS and Android OS. Choice is good.
How about this for an OS combo: I'm posting this using a Windows
app (SeaMonkey) on a Chrome OS device (Chromebook) using an
Android app (CrossOver) as a Windows emulator...
arlen holder
Mar 22, 2019, 12:03:22 AM3/22/19
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 15:45:05 -0400, nospam wrote:
> google has that control for pixel phones/tablets.
>
> for other android manufacturers, google can give them the latest
> release, but it's up to each manufacturer what to do with it. some
> support it better than others. they would prefer to sell you a new
> phone so they're not overly motivated to support too far back.
There is little doubt that iOS devices change the iOS more frequently.
> google has that control for pixel phones/tablets.
>
> for other android manufacturers, google can give them the latest
> release, but it's up to each manufacturer what to do with it. some
> support it better than others. they would prefer to sell you a new
> phone so they're not overly motivated to support too far back.
o I've likened iOS updates to a never ending tedium of buggy diarrhea
*I think Apple releases iOS like a diarrhea because users want that*
o I think the sheer frequency of the releases makes them _feel_ safe.
*Even though Apple clearly never _tests_ the releases sufficiently.*
o They don't have to _test_ the releases.
Users don't seem to _care_ about the *massive* bugs in iOS releases.
o Users only seem to care that Apple release frequently
Hence, there's little pressure on Apple to actually _test_ the releases.
The proof is in the taste of the pudding...
o Apple iOS 12.1.4 has a nasty surprise - installing iOS 12.1.4 is like playing Russian roulette
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/9LUmdes363g>
o Anyone can hack into MacOS High Sierra simply by typing "root"!
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/9LUmdes363g>
<https://www.wired.com/story/macos-high-sierra-hack-root/>
o Yet another non-root password-stealing bug on Apple (Apple _never_ tests sufficiently - and doesn't even KNOW what this bug is yet!)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ocCnzVh3BxQ>
o Making sense of the many Apple security flaws
<https://www.wired.com/story/apples-security-macos-high-sierra-ios-11/>
o Apple just now BLOCKED Live Photos in FaceTime for all _current_ iOS & macOS users!
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fQ3Kb96gedA>
o An astounding list of security vulnerabilities found in Apple software
<https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2017/5/15/the-may-2017-apple-security-update-review>
o Lockscreen exploit easily found only hours after iOS 12.1 released
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/N-hQKPDI4a0/4tfgLojLAAAJ>
o Apple Macs Have Yet Another Password-Bypassing Bug
o Making sense of the many Apple security flaws
<https://www.wired.com/story/apples-security-macos-high-sierra-ios-11/>
o Apple just now BLOCKED Live Photos in FaceTime for all _current_ iOS & macOS users!
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fQ3Kb96gedA>
o An astounding list of security vulnerabilities found in Apple software
<https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2017/5/15/the-may-2017-apple-security-update-review>
o Lockscreen exploit easily found only hours after iOS 12.1 released
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/N-hQKPDI4a0/4tfgLojLAAAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/4rM5ZPCgThI/X8HEf0BvCAAJ>
o A massive security hole has been found in iOS 11
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/xGV0X_Qfqc4/VqqWWwMXBAAJ>
o icloud privacy breach
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eZjiSd1HneE>
o MacWorld: Apple needs to stop promising new products and start delivering them
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WYjTtnTs-XQ/YyhGkrNXAAAJ>
o Yet again, Apple forgot to test iOS 11.2.6 in the real world
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/AlkmHCTSUXg/K5GdwrzdCQAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/8HfdPOQVNVk>
o Yet another shoddy example of Apple rushing to fix a critical issue
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/mqTrBBlvGCU/jrJWtF8DBAAJ>
o Apple openly admits they didn't test iOS in the real world!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/K8uOvBjJ2rY/2htXivAfAwAJ>
o Apple Was Slow to Act on FaceTime Bug That Allows Spying on iPhones
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/technology/facetime-glitch-apple.html>
o iOS 12.1 Beta Includes Fix for iOS 12 iPhone and iPad Charging Issue
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/pdlKvBUmrj0/8jnSieURAwAJ>
o Is Apple seriously suggesting that millions of unsuspecting customers - now become - beta testers - just so that their phones will work!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/xrovVjnWUo4/mWmtp7EYAwAJ>
o How to work around the new Apple iOS7 infinite loop of mistrust bug on Linux?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/_e0czhOYSHo/WuyowzN73IsJ>
o Every time iOS updates, Apple causes new problems in the REAL world...
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Z6xD4HaiyjE/Jr5yYrBUCAAJ>
o Remember Apple essentially LIED to Congress last year ... well ... guess what ... ANOTHER LETTER for Tim Cook from Congress
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wTAPRuSJoaw>
o Yet another shoddy example of Apple rushing to fix a critical issue
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/mqTrBBlvGCU/jrJWtF8DBAAJ>
o Apple openly admits they didn't test iOS in the real world!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/K8uOvBjJ2rY/2htXivAfAwAJ>
o Apple Was Slow to Act on FaceTime Bug That Allows Spying on iPhones
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/technology/facetime-glitch-apple.html>
o iOS 12.1 Beta Includes Fix for iOS 12 iPhone and iPad Charging Issue
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/pdlKvBUmrj0/8jnSieURAwAJ>
o Is Apple seriously suggesting that millions of unsuspecting customers - now become - beta testers - just so that their phones will work!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/xrovVjnWUo4/mWmtp7EYAwAJ>
o How to work around the new Apple iOS7 infinite loop of mistrust bug on Linux?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/_e0czhOYSHo/WuyowzN73IsJ>
o Every time iOS updates, Apple causes new problems in the REAL world...
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Z6xD4HaiyjE/Jr5yYrBUCAAJ>
o Remember Apple essentially LIED to Congress last year ... well ... guess what ... ANOTHER LETTER for Tim Cook from Congress
etc.
arlen holder
Mar 22, 2019, 12:03:24 AM3/22/19
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:02:46 -0700, 123456789 wrote:
> In my house there is some of each: iOS, Chrome OS, Windows
> OS and Android OS. Choice is good.
I have a cross platform environment also, where I'd like to ask for a fact.
> In my house there is some of each: iOS, Chrome OS, Windows
> OS and Android OS. Choice is good.
o Can you name even 1 app functionality you use on iOS that is not on Android?
NOTE: I can name plenty of app functionality on Android not on iOS
o But can you name a _single_ app functionality you use on iOS...
o That is not also on Android?
arlen holder
Mar 22, 2019, 12:03:25 AM3/22/19
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 19:33:07 -0000 (UTC), lew wrote:
> Which is also why people got suckered to think that apple is the
> company "for the people" with apple in the super bowl.
IMHO, Apple has one of the finest marketing orgs on this planet.
> Which is also why people got suckered to think that apple is the
> company "for the people" with apple in the super bowl.
o Apple knows _exactly_ what their customer wants to hear
For example, Apple _knows_ that their customer wants to _feel_ safe
o So Apple tells them anything and everything to make them feel safe
The customer who gravitates to Apple products _eats_ that stuff up.
Marketing is in the business of creating imaginary belief systems
o The apple posters on this ng clearly own imaginary belief systems
The proof is that we can easily DESTROY their belief system in 10 seconds
o Merely by providing FACTS
123456789
Mar 22, 2019, 1:21:28 AM3/22/19
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arlen holder wrote:
> 123456789 wrote:
>> In my house there is some of each: iOS, Chrome OS,
>> Windows OS and Android OS. Choice is good.
> 123456789 wrote:
>> In my house there is some of each: iOS, Chrome OS,
>> Windows OS and Android OS. Choice is good.
> Can you name even 1 app functionality you use on iOS
> that is not on Android?
I can't. But then I'm not all that familiar with iOS. The
> that is not on Android?
wife is the one using the iOS stuff in our house (iPhone and
iPad). The beauty of iOS for her is that it just works.
Translation: I'm seldom called to help and that's a good
thing. Bottom line: It does everything SHE needs. YMMV.
> I can name plenty of app functionality on Android not on
> iOS
particular functionality they likely don't care. And for
those who do there's other choices. And did I mention:
Choice is good... ;)
sms
Mar 22, 2019, 1:02:07 PM3/22/19
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On 3/21/2019 10:21 PM, 123456789 wrote:
> arlen holder wrote:
>> 123456789 wrote:
>
>>> In my house there is some of each: iOS, Chrome OS, Windows OS and
>>> Android OS. Choice is good.
>
>> Can you name even 1 app functionality you use on iOS
>> that is not on Android?
>
> I can't. But then I'm not all that familiar with iOS. The
> wife is the one using the iOS stuff in our house (iPhone and
> iPad). The beauty of iOS for her is that it just works.
> Translation: I'm seldom called to help and that's a good
> thing. Bottom line: It does everything SHE needs. YMMV.
My wife has an iPhone (7) provided by her employer, and an Android phone
> arlen holder wrote:
>> 123456789 wrote:
>
>>> In my house there is some of each: iOS, Chrome OS, Windows OS and
>>> Android OS. Choice is good.
>
>> Can you name even 1 app functionality you use on iOS
>> that is not on Android?
>
> I can't. But then I'm not all that familiar with iOS. The
> wife is the one using the iOS stuff in our house (iPhone and
> iPad). The beauty of iOS for her is that it just works.
> Translation: I'm seldom called to help and that's a good
> thing. Bottom line: It does everything SHE needs. YMMV.
(Moto X4).
Since the Moto X4 has been upgraded to Android Pie, the support needs
for her Android phone have gone way down. I liken Android Pie to Windows
XP--the upgrade that ended most of the nightmares of Windows 98/Windows
2000/Windows ME.
The iPhone apps provided by her employer is so secure that stuff she
sometimes needs to do for work is often difficult. But I'm still very
glad that security compliance is taken so seriously.
sms
Mar 22, 2019, 1:13:09 PM3/22/19
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On 3/16/2019 5:40 PM, lonelydad wrote:
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
> don't ya know!)
>
> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
> will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
> receive updates until the hardware just can't take it any more.Since I
> mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic DayTimer and ebook reader, with a
> little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
> forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
> have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
<snip>
I like using my tablets for navigation when traveling.
One issue with the non-LTE iPads is that there is no GPS, so you can't
use them for navigation unless you buy an external, Bluetooth connected
GPS device, which costs about $85
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006M49G80>. There are other apps, besides
navigation apps, that also require a GPS and they also won't work on a
Wi-Fi only iPad.
Most Android tablets do have an internal GPS, even if they are Wi-Fi
only (the super-cheap drugstore Android tablets that often show up for
$60 or so may not have a GPS).
> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
> don't ya know!)
>
> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
> will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
> receive updates until the hardware just can't take it any more.Since I
> mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic DayTimer and ebook reader, with a
> little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
> forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
> have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
<snip>
I like using my tablets for navigation when traveling.
One issue with the non-LTE iPads is that there is no GPS, so you can't
use them for navigation unless you buy an external, Bluetooth connected
GPS device, which costs about $85
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006M49G80>. There are other apps, besides
navigation apps, that also require a GPS and they also won't work on a
Wi-Fi only iPad.
Most Android tablets do have an internal GPS, even if they are Wi-Fi
only (the super-cheap drugstore Android tablets that often show up for
$60 or so may not have a GPS).
Lloyd
Mar 22, 2019, 1:20:54 PM3/22/19
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sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 3/16/2019 5:40 PM, lonelydad wrote:
>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
>> don't ya know!)
>>
>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
>> will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
>> receive updates until the hardware just can't take it any more.Since I
>> mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic DayTimer and ebook reader, with a
>> little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
>> forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
>> have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
>
> <snip>
>
> I like using my tablets for navigation when traveling.
>
I used to do that too. Now I just use the built in nav program on my car, a
> On 3/16/2019 5:40 PM, lonelydad wrote:
>> Ok, I have two very nice tablets, a Nexus 7 2013, and an Asus S 8, The
>> problem is that they are both stuck at Android 6.1, having been abandoned
>> at that level. Right now, I can live with that, there will come a time when
>> new versions of some of my apps aren't going to run with that level of OS.
>> And my budget does not allow me to spend the money to buy a Pixel so that
>> it can at least be up to date for a year or two. (Fixed retirement income,
>> don't ya know!)
>>
>> So right now, I have an opportunity to purchase an Apple IPad Air 2, which
>> will run the current version of IOS, and is more likely to continue to
>> receive updates until the hardware just can't take it any more.Since I
>> mainly use my tablet(s) as an electronic DayTimer and ebook reader, with a
>> little music and a couple of movies thrown in to keep boredom away, I don't
>> forsee any problems integrating the IPad Air 2 to my Windows 10 system. I
>> have run I-Tunes before, when my son lived with me with his I-Phone.
>
> <snip>
>
> I like using my tablets for navigation when traveling.
>
bit handier I think.
> One issue with the non-LTE iPads is that there is no GPS, so you can't
> use them for navigation unless you buy an external, Bluetooth connected
> GPS device, which costs about $85
> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006M49G80>. There are other apps, besides
> navigation apps, that also require a GPS and they also won't work on a
> Wi-Fi only iPad.
>
--
Lloyd
Joerg Lorenz
Mar 22, 2019, 2:55:23 PM3/22/19
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Am 17.03.19 um 20:23 schrieb Wade Garrett:
> Except I can't get graceful calendar, phone contacts and notes syncing
> between my Android phone and the rest of my tech stuff- all Macs and
> iPads...
That is really easy. Install the following apps on your Android:
iSync Calendar Cloud
iSync Contacts Cloud
Configure them and all will be good!
> Except I can't get graceful calendar, phone contacts and notes syncing
> between my Android phone and the rest of my tech stuff- all Macs and
> iPads...
That is really easy. Install the following apps on your Android:
iSync Calendar Cloud
iSync Contacts Cloud
Configure them and all will be good!
nospam
Mar 22, 2019, 4:00:47 PM3/22/19
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In article <q73533$dgd$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
cellular.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> Most Android tablets do have an internal GPS, even if they are Wi-Fi
> only (the super-cheap drugstore Android tablets that often show up for
> $60 or so may not have a GPS).
their gps does not work very well since it's not assisted due to no
>
> Most Android tablets do have an internal GPS, even if they are Wi-Fi
> only (the super-cheap drugstore Android tablets that often show up for
> $60 or so may not have a GPS).
cellular.
arlen holder
Mar 22, 2019, 5:22:50 PM3/22/19
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:00:47 -0400, nospam wrote:
>> Most Android tablets do have an internal GPS, even if they are Wi-Fi
>> only (the super-cheap drugstore Android tablets that often show up for
>> $60 or so may not have a GPS).
>
> their gps does not work very well since it's not assisted due to no
> cellular.
Hi nospam,
>> Most Android tablets do have an internal GPS, even if they are Wi-Fi
>> only (the super-cheap drugstore Android tablets that often show up for
>> $60 or so may not have a GPS).
>
> their gps does not work very well since it's not assisted due to no
> cellular.
FACTS + LOGIC;
o Generally you fail on both.
Do you have any facts supporting your take of the Marketing's playbook?
Accuracy is what matters most, IMHO, when we speak of "working well".
o Cellular location, alone, is horrid under almost all circumstances.
o GPS location alone, is pretty good nowadays.
Certainly GPS "might" be improved with "more location data", but how?
o How is the typically crappier cellular location going to improve on GPS?
HINT: I'm not asking about "startup time-to-fix"; we're talking about
accuracy. If anything, A-GPS is slightly _less_ accurate, oddly, than GPS
according to this article.
<https://www.diffen.com/difference/A-GPS_vs_GPS>
Even if it wasn't less accurate, when you say it "works better", what facts
do you use (or are you _only_ speaking about time-to-fix which we all
already know about)?
arlen holder
Mar 22, 2019, 5:22:53 PM3/22/19
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:20:52 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
> I used to do that too. Now I just use the built in nav program on my car, a
> bit handier I think.
I'm curious about the in-car navigation quality versus the Google Maps
> I used to do that too. Now I just use the built in nav program on my car, a
> bit handier I think.
navigation quality.
I used to use all the Garmin devices, from the StreetPilotIII to the Garmin
Nuvi with US & European maps, where I was astounded how much BETTER Google
navigation now is than any of those ever were.
Google navigates you to the precise lane for example, in directions.
o Do in-car navigation systems approach that kind of directional accuracy?
arlen holder
Mar 22, 2019, 5:22:54 PM3/22/19
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:13:06 -0700, sms wrote:
> I like using my tablets for navigation when traveling.
Hi Steve,
> I like using my tablets for navigation when traveling.
I stick with facts where I found an error in your logic which I simply want
to gracefully advice you of, bearing in mind I use both my GPS-enabled
iPads and my non-GPS-enabled iPads for navigation.
I wrote an entire thread on how to do it with the WiFI only iPads.
o It works; it just doesn't work as well (since it uses WiFi APs)
> One issue with the non-LTE iPads is that there is no GPS, so you can't
> use them for navigation unless you buy an external, Bluetooth connected
> GPS device, which costs about $85
> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006M49G80>. There are other apps, besides
> navigation apps, that also require a GPS and they also won't work on a
> Wi-Fi only iPad.
My only correction is that if you think ahead, navigation DOES work on the
WiFi only iPads; it just doesn't work as well.
At least with Google Maps it works, where you have to download the Google
Maps ahead of time. This process of downloading the offline Google Maps is
something we've been doing for years, where it's getting both easier and
harder over time,
Google is making it a LOT easier to actually do the downloads (where you
can basically download as much as you can fit on your device now and where
it will restart the download if you go off and then back on wifi, for
example).
But, last I tested it, Google WIPED OUT the maps at the 30 day mark (where,
in the past, Google would just complain that they were old).
So I agree it's a pain but my point is that it works because Google uses
the WiFi access points in its database, where, of course, if you're in the
middle of nowhere that won't help - but in San Jose, where I tested it, it
worked accurately enough for everything except finely tuned navigation.
> Most Android tablets do have an internal GPS, even if they are Wi-Fi
> only (the super-cheap drugstore Android tablets that often show up for
> $60 or so may not have a GPS).
expansion slot, which are two things my latest iPad sorely lacks.
arlen holder
Mar 22, 2019, 5:22:57 PM3/22/19
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:02:04 -0700, sms wrote:
> My wife has an iPhone (7) provided by her employer, and an Android phone
> (Moto X4).
Hi Steve,
> My wife has an iPhone (7) provided by her employer, and an Android phone
> (Moto X4).
I have Android 7 (LG Stylo 3 Plus) and I've had a whole lot of Android
devices (e.g., Samsung Galaxy S3 at Android 4.3 as I recall), and at the
_same_ time I've had iOS devices (as you're well aware).
To 123456789's point, there's nothing wrong with having a choice.
As you're aware, I've authored threads to find the FACTUAL differences
o Where most people seem to have imaginary belief systems
These imaginary belief systems are what you'll see me DESTROY
o I destroy imaginary belief systems in seconds, using only facts.
While the only limit to imaginary belief systems is whatever limits either
Apple or Google Marketing impose upon themselves, examples of well-known
imaginary belief systems might be:
o The cost of ownership of iPhones is somehow (magically?) lower
o The privacy of iPhones is somehow (magically?) better
o The hardware of iPhones is somehow (magically?) better
o The apps on iPhones is somehow (magically?) better
o The frequency of iOS updates in of itself is somehow (magically?) good?
etc.
While iPhones & Android phones are certainly _different_ ecosystems
o I look at overall functionality & performance in terms of actual facts
My belief system is not only based on facts,
o But also, my belief system is bolstered by facts.
> Since the Moto X4 has been upgraded to Android Pie, the support needs
> for her Android phone have gone way down.
Can you name a single fact that supports that claim?
Why would "support" for Android (whatever) be _any_ different than the
support for Android (whatever + 1)?
What on earth do you mean by "support" that it's so affected by the
version?
> I liken Android Pie to Windows
> XP--the upgrade that ended most of the nightmares of Windows 98/Windows
> 2000/Windows ME.
at that endeavor in the Silicon Valley, as you're aware Steve.
I liken the software versions to a bunch of Everest climbers climbing up
the hill and then running into a sudden storm. What they do is hunker down
behind the safest "rock", adn that's where they stay until the storm is
over.
Only after the storm is over do they have the luxury to "pick a path"
moving further up the mountain.
Most companies hunker down behind the safest "version", and they stay there
unless they have the *luxury* to move to the next version, which entails
adding risk to gain an advantage in "something".
Clearly XP is one of those "rocks" people hunkered down behind.
I would say that Win7 and Win10 are also rocks they hunker behind.
Bear in mind I have an excellent thread asking what EXACTLY (facts!) can
you do on Windows 10 that you can't possibly do on Windows XP or Win7,
where the list is, shockingly, small.
We _tried_ desperately to find 10 things you can do on Win10 that you can't
do on WinXP (not counting software that is no longer supported); and it
took us a lot of effort to find even half that.
Essentially, their functionality is "about the same".
HINT: That's why companies love to drop support if they can get away with it.
To your point, you're intimating that Android Pie is one of those rocks
o Android 7.1 Nougat is what I have and it works just fine
o Android 9.x Pie is what you're intimating is a safe rock, but why?
I'm on Android Nougat (7.x) and I don't see it as appreciably different
than Android 4.3 was (in terms of what it allows me to do).
The question to answer is what in Android Pie isn't in, say, Nougat, that
matters?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_9_Pie_%28API_28%29>
Here's what is in 9 over 8:
o New user interface for the quick settings menu[238]
o The clock has moved to the left of the notification bar.[239]
o The "dock" now has a semi-transparent background.[239]
o Battery saver no longer shows an orange overlay on the notification and status bars.[238]
o A "screenshot" button has been added to the power options.[239]
o A new "Lockdown" mode which disables biometric authentication once activated
o Rounded corners across the UI
o New transitions for switching between apps, or activities within apps
o Richer messaging notifications, where a full conversation can be had within a notification, full scale images, and smart replies akin to Google's new app, Reply
o Support for display cutouts
o Redesigned volume slider
o Battery percentage now shown in Always-On Display
o Lock screen security changes include the possible return of an improved NFC Unlock.
o Experimental features (which are currently hidden within a menu called Feature Flags) such as a redesigned About Phone page in settings, and automatic Bluetooth enabling while driving
o DNS over TLS[240]
o A new optional gesture-based system interface, allowing users to navigate the OS using swipes more often than the traditional UI
o Redesigned multitask app switcher with Google search bar and app drawer built in.
o Android Dashboard, which tells the user how much time you're spending on your device and in apps, and allows the user to set time limits on apps
o "Shush", an enhanced version of Do Not Disturb mode activated by placing the phone face down, which mutes standard notifications
o "Adaptive Battery" prediction, which makes use of Doze to hibernate user apps the OS determines the user will not use
o Auto Brightness feature modifies screen brightness based on user habits
o Wind Down option lets Android users set a specific bed time that enables o Do Not Disturb and turns the entire phone's interface gray to discourage further use at night
o Vulkan 1.1 support
FACTS:
What's *meaningfully* useful in that list that I don't already have?
> The iPhone apps provided by her employer is so secure that stuff she
> sometimes needs to do for work is often difficult. But I'm still very
> glad that security compliance is taken so seriously.
properly locked down in both cases, by the IT department?
Lloyd
Mar 22, 2019, 5:34:48 PM3/22/19
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close to the turning needed.
--
Lloyd
arlen holder
Mar 22, 2019, 5:52:05 PM3/22/19
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:34:47 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
> Mine will say something like ´prepare to exit on the right¡ as you get
> close to the turning needed.
Thanks.
> Mine will say something like ´prepare to exit on the right¡ as you get
> close to the turning needed.
Google is AMAZING at what they tell you, where they say you can use the
right three lanes, or the two far right lanes, or just the right-most lane,
etc.
It's just amazing how much better Google is than was Garmin, who was in
that business of "giving directions".
By way of contrast, OSM, Mapfactor Navigator, and some of the others just
say "turn right in 800 feet".
nospam
Mar 22, 2019, 6:07:20 PM3/22/19
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In article <q73jn9$m1s$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
> Do you have any facts supporting your take of the Marketing's playbook?
there is no marketing playbook.
simple facts: assisted gps will get a fix *much* faster than
non-assisted, and without cellular, there is no assistance.
devices with gps and only wifi (no cellular) will take longer to get a
gps fix than ones with cellular because they *cannot* get ephemeris &
almanac over cellular. in other words, no assistance. the exception is
a hot start, which is not the usual scenario.
> Accuracy is what matters most, IMHO, when we speak of "working well".
> o Cellular location, alone, is horrid under almost all circumstances.
> o GPS location alone, is pretty good nowadays.
>
> Certainly GPS "might" be improved with "more location data", but how?
> o How is the typically crappier cellular location going to improve on GPS?
you don't understand what assisted gps means, or how gps works for that
matter.
> HINT: I'm not asking about "startup time-to-fix"; we're talking about
> accuracy. If anything, A-GPS is slightly _less_ accurate, oddly, than GPS
> according to this article.
> <https://www.diffen.com/difference/A-GPS_vs_GPS>
that article is wrong.
assisted gps is about reducing the time it takes to obtain a fix by
sending ephemeris and almanac over cellular rather than wait for it
from the satellites. once a gps fix is obtained, the accuracy is
identical.
> Even if it wasn't less accurate, when you say it "works better", what facts
> do you use (or are you _only_ speaking about time-to-fix which we all
> already know about)?
except you.
<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>
> >> Most Android tablets do have an internal GPS, even if they are Wi-Fi
> >> only (the super-cheap drugstore Android tablets that often show up for
> >> $60 or so may not have a GPS).
> >
> > their gps does not work very well since it's not assisted due to no
> > cellular.
>
>
>
> >> Most Android tablets do have an internal GPS, even if they are Wi-Fi
> >> only (the super-cheap drugstore Android tablets that often show up for
> >> $60 or so may not have a GPS).
> >
> > their gps does not work very well since it's not assisted due to no
> > cellular.
>
>
> FACTS + LOGIC;
> o Generally you fail on both.
nope.
> o Generally you fail on both.
> Do you have any facts supporting your take of the Marketing's playbook?
simple facts: assisted gps will get a fix *much* faster than
non-assisted, and without cellular, there is no assistance.
devices with gps and only wifi (no cellular) will take longer to get a
gps fix than ones with cellular because they *cannot* get ephemeris &
almanac over cellular. in other words, no assistance. the exception is
a hot start, which is not the usual scenario.
> Accuracy is what matters most, IMHO, when we speak of "working well".
> o Cellular location, alone, is horrid under almost all circumstances.
> o GPS location alone, is pretty good nowadays.
>
> Certainly GPS "might" be improved with "more location data", but how?
> o How is the typically crappier cellular location going to improve on GPS?
matter.
> HINT: I'm not asking about "startup time-to-fix"; we're talking about
> accuracy. If anything, A-GPS is slightly _less_ accurate, oddly, than GPS
> according to this article.
> <https://www.diffen.com/difference/A-GPS_vs_GPS>
assisted gps is about reducing the time it takes to obtain a fix by
sending ephemeris and almanac over cellular rather than wait for it
from the satellites. once a gps fix is obtained, the accuracy is
identical.
> Even if it wasn't less accurate, when you say it "works better", what facts
> do you use (or are you _only_ speaking about time-to-fix which we all
> already know about)?
arlen holder
Mar 22, 2019, 11:49:52 PM3/22/19
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:07:19 -0400, nospam wrote:
>> Do you have any facts supporting your take of the Marketing's playbook?
>
> there is no marketing playbook.
Hi nospam,
>> Do you have any facts supporting your take of the Marketing's playbook?
>
> there is no marketing playbook.
Your statements almost always, if not always, _parrot Apple scripts_.
I'm sure there might be times your statements go against Apple script
o But I can't think of a single instance offhand where you went off script
*Can you think of a single instance where you went against Apple mantra?*
> simple facts: assisted gps will get a fix *much* faster than
> non-assisted, and without cellular, there is no assistance.
o Facts are funny that way.
Adults have absolutely no problem agreeing on facts.
o Adults are funny that way.
I repeat: Nobody ever said that you don't get a FASTER fix.
o The question was about navigation _accuracy_; not initial fix speed.
> you don't understand what assisted gps means, or how gps works for that
> matter.
o The assisted GPS gets a faster fix - but accuracy is what matters most.
The US Government gives us an idea of the "possible" accuracy:
o What is the government's commitment to GPS accuracy?
<https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/>
"On May 11, 2016, the global average user range error was
0.715 meters (2.3 feet), 95% of the time"
That's ten times better than the government's own minimum accuracy:
"7.8 meters (25.6 feet), with 95% probability"
> once a gps fix is obtained, the accuracy is identical.
I am an adult, hence I agree with the facts that the article said what the
article said, which, even I said was incongruous with logic.
Let's look this up because I agree, the accuracy of assisted GPS should be
the same once a fix occurs; however, this article says that A-GPS is
actually far more accurate (if that's even possible!)
o GPS Accuracy: HDOP, PDOP, GDOP, Multipath & the Atmosphere
<https://gisgeography.com/gps-accuracy-hdop-pdop-gdop-multipath/>
At the moment, since I'm not all that interested in whether A-GPS via
cellular is actually more or less accurate than GPS sans cellular, I'll
leave it at the fact I can easily find articles saying it's both more and
less accurate (where I'd have to see actual facts to believe either one).
Certainly A-GPS is _faster_ for a fix, but even then, how much faster
in the real world with current high-end mobile devices?
I've been using GPS for more than a decade where in the "olden" days, with
laptops literally on our lap, it took _minutes_ to get a fix and the dot
had to be on the dash under a non-metal-infused windshield.
Nowadays, with better sensors, the fix should be on the order of 30 seconds
without cellular, where I don't know if I want to spend the energy to look
for tests in the real world for how much faster it might be.
Certainly the fix in the WiFi only iPad is "fast enough" for basic
navigation, at least it was in my test of San Jose which isn't mountainous
so it's an ideal environment.
>> Even if it wasn't less accurate, when you say it "works better", what facts
>> do you use (or are you _only_ speaking about time-to-fix which we all
>> already know about)?
>
> except you.
I suspect that you're not well educated, and that you rarely interact with
well educated truly intelligent people, where, if you spent decades at
startups in the Silicon Valley, you'd learn that your type of bullshit
would get you fired in less than a week, IMHO.
You'd be great in marketing - but you'd not last a week in engineering.
o You're wrong so often, your credibility is worse than a coin toss.
Mine is _always_ 100% correct on the facts(1).
o You've _never_ once found my facts to be wrong.
Remember Snit?
o He gloated for HUNDREDS of posts and even posted this idiotic video when
he _thought_ my facts were wrong for the 1st time
(where you congratulated him, as did Jolly Roger, & even Frank Slootweg)
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> (Snit video)
None of you even _looked_ at the Y-axis for Christs' sake.
o You're actually _that_ incredibly unfathomably stupid.
How long do you think you'd last, nospam, in the Silicon Valley
o When you don't even know enough to look at the Y-Axis of a graph?
HINT: *When you're _that_ ignorant, nospam, you lose a lot of credibility.*
--
Since I'm human, & since I post thousands upon thousands of facts, I must
have gotten at least one material fact wrong in my posts; but nobody has
ever found one, where my claim stands the test of time for good reason.
sms
Mar 23, 2019, 1:41:18 AM3/23/19
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On 3/22/2019 2:22 PM, arlen holder wrote:
<snip>
> My only correction is that if you think ahead, navigation DOES work on the
> WiFi only iPads; it just doesn't work as well.
It sucks. While a tablet with a GPS works fine for navigation anywhere
that the GPS has a view of the sky, using Wi-Fi APs or triangulation
from cell phone towers works poorly or not at all. A tablet with LTE
often can get a lock a little faster, it's called Time to First Fix or
"TTFF," but has no other advantage over a tablet without LTE data,
"A-GPS helps the phone obtain a faster Time to First Fix (TTFF), which
significantly improves startup performance. Assisted GPS acquires and
stores information about the location of satellites using the cellular
network, so the information does not need to be downloaded by satellite."
<snip>
> I can't imagine anyone purchasing Android tablets sans either GPS or an
> expansion slot, which are two things my latest iPad sorely lacks.
Agreed, but a lot of people don't do much research. When they see a
super-cheap Android tablet it looks appealing if they don't know any better.
There is one advantage of an external GPS in that you can position it so
it has the best view of the sky even when the tablet is in a place where
the GPS can't pick up a lot of satellites.
<snip>
> My only correction is that if you think ahead, navigation DOES work on the
> WiFi only iPads; it just doesn't work as well.
that the GPS has a view of the sky, using Wi-Fi APs or triangulation
from cell phone towers works poorly or not at all. A tablet with LTE
often can get a lock a little faster, it's called Time to First Fix or
"TTFF," but has no other advantage over a tablet without LTE data,
"A-GPS helps the phone obtain a faster Time to First Fix (TTFF), which
significantly improves startup performance. Assisted GPS acquires and
stores information about the location of satellites using the cellular
network, so the information does not need to be downloaded by satellite."
<snip>
> I can't imagine anyone purchasing Android tablets sans either GPS or an
> expansion slot, which are two things my latest iPad sorely lacks.
super-cheap Android tablet it looks appealing if they don't know any better.
There is one advantage of an external GPS in that you can position it so
it has the best view of the sky even when the tablet is in a place where
the GPS can't pick up a lot of satellites.
123456789
Mar 23, 2019, 2:43:02 AM3/23/19
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sms wrote:
> but a lot of people don't do much [GPS] research. When
bolted on the dashboard. Since phones started talking
everyone I know (including me) uses voice guided travel
directions. So I don't care much about tablet GPS. I suspect
lots are like me...
> but a lot of people don't do much [GPS] research. When
> they see a super-cheap Android tablet it looks appealing
> if they don't know any better.
I can't remember the last time I saw someone with a tablet
> if they don't know any better.
bolted on the dashboard. Since phones started talking
everyone I know (including me) uses voice guided travel
directions. So I don't care much about tablet GPS. I suspect
lots are like me...
nospam
Mar 23, 2019, 7:12:36 AM3/23/19
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In article <q74acr$667$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
but lack cellular do not have.
nobody wants to wait as long as 15 minutes to get a fix, which is where
assisted gps comes in, making it near-instant.
navigation is only one use for gps. a near-instant gps fix means any
location aware app that uses gps can get a precise location without
needing to wait a while. it also means being able to power up the gps,
get a location and then power it down, saving battery.
tl;dr gps without cellular assist doesn't work particularly well.
<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
> I repeat: Nobody ever said that you don't get a FASTER fix.
> o The question was about navigation _accuracy_; not initial fix speed.
nope. the question is about assisted gps, which devices that have gps
> I repeat: Nobody ever said that you don't get a FASTER fix.
> o The question was about navigation _accuracy_; not initial fix speed.
but lack cellular do not have.
nobody wants to wait as long as 15 minutes to get a fix, which is where
assisted gps comes in, making it near-instant.
navigation is only one use for gps. a near-instant gps fix means any
location aware app that uses gps can get a precise location without
needing to wait a while. it also means being able to power up the gps,
get a location and then power it down, saving battery.
tl;dr gps without cellular assist doesn't work particularly well.
nospam
Mar 23, 2019, 7:12:37 AM3/23/19
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In article <q74khl$2rb$1...@dont-email.me>, 123456789 <12...@12345.com>
wrote:
> I can't remember the last time I saw someone with a tablet
> bolted on the dashboard. Since phones started talking
> everyone I know (including me) uses voice guided travel
> directions. So I don't care much about tablet GPS. I suspect
> lots are like me...
yep. i see countless phones used in vehicles for navigation. never a
single tablet of any kind mounted on the dash. a phone is easy to
mount, its display is big enough, and voice works well.
and there are many other uses for gps too than just for driving.
wrote:
> I can't remember the last time I saw someone with a tablet
> bolted on the dashboard. Since phones started talking
> everyone I know (including me) uses voice guided travel
> directions. So I don't care much about tablet GPS. I suspect
> lots are like me...
single tablet of any kind mounted on the dash. a phone is easy to
mount, its display is big enough, and voice works well.
and there are many other uses for gps too than just for driving.
123456789
Mar 23, 2019, 11:26:26 AM3/23/19
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nospam wrote:
> i see countless phones used in vehicles for navigation.
> never a single tablet of any kind mounted on the dash. a
> phone is easy to mount, its display is big enough, and
> voice works well.
> and there are many other uses for gps too than just for
> driving.
What other GPS uses are there for a 10" tablet besides
> i see countless phones used in vehicles for navigation.
> never a single tablet of any kind mounted on the dash. a
> phone is easy to mount, its display is big enough, and
> voice works well.
> and there are many other uses for gps too than just for
> driving.
driving? My one GPS model (all my others are sans) has never
left the house. I seldom see anyone carrying a large tablet
when out. And most of the WiFi table hogs at the restaurants
I frequent are using laptops...
nospam
Mar 23, 2019, 11:53:02 AM3/23/19
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In article <q75j71$t5l$1...@dont-email.me>, 123456789 <12...@12345.com>
navigation.
one example is to geotag photos taken by the camera app (either the
bundled camera app or or a third party app). another example is for ar.
yet another example are the stargazing apps. there are countless
others.
> My one GPS model (all my others are sans) has never
> left the house. I seldom see anyone carrying a large tablet
> when out.
one reason why a gps in a tablet is not a requirement, contrary to what
was claimed.
> And most of the WiFi table hogs at the restaurants
> I frequent are using laptops...
either laptops or ipads.
wrote:
>
> > i see countless phones used in vehicles for navigation.
> > never a single tablet of any kind mounted on the dash. a
> > phone is easy to mount, its display is big enough, and
> > voice works well.
>
> > and there are many other uses for gps too than just for
> > driving.
>
> What other GPS uses are there for a 10" tablet besides
> driving?
any app that needs an exact location, which doesn't have to be for
>
> > i see countless phones used in vehicles for navigation.
> > never a single tablet of any kind mounted on the dash. a
> > phone is easy to mount, its display is big enough, and
> > voice works well.
>
> > and there are many other uses for gps too than just for
> > driving.
>
> What other GPS uses are there for a 10" tablet besides
> driving?
navigation.
one example is to geotag photos taken by the camera app (either the
bundled camera app or or a third party app). another example is for ar.
yet another example are the stargazing apps. there are countless
others.
> My one GPS model (all my others are sans) has never
> left the house. I seldom see anyone carrying a large tablet
> when out.
was claimed.
> And most of the WiFi table hogs at the restaurants
> I frequent are using laptops...
Dark Star
Mar 23, 2019, 12:45:38 PM3/23/19
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Amen!
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Lloyd <elfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:31:26 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>> For tablets I would certainly agree, ipads of all sorts are just better
>>> than any Android tablet I?ve seen, and I?ve had and still have quite a few.
>>
>> Hi Lloyd,
>>
>> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
>> o I have iPads & Android devices, where I base my beliefs on actual facts.
>>
>> If you also base your beliefs on facts, then you should be able to pass the
>> simple 3-word "name just one" test of your belief system, Lloyd.
>>
>> Certainly Android tablets are "better" than iOS tablets in some ways.
>> o For example, external sd slots
>>
>> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
>> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
>>
>> In fact, I can name a _lot_ of app functionality on Android not on iOS.
>> o That means my belief system is based on facts.
>>
>> Now let's test _your_ belief system.
>> o Is _your_ belief system imaginary?
>> o Or is your belief system based on fact?
>>
>> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
>>
>> QUESTION TO TEST Lloy'ds belief system (is it imaginary, or factual?).
>>
>> Q: What app functionality do you use on iPads, that isn't on Android?
>> o Name just one
>>
> Back to your usual trolling bullshit I see.
>
> Some of us here are having a reasonable discussion yet you seem to always
> go back to your long winded crap while saying nothing at all. As to ?belief
> system?, we are rendering our opinions and that has nothing to do with your
> bogus ?belief system? crap. My opinions are based on long years with tech
> of all sorts and started well before MS-DOS even existed.
>
> --
> Lloyd
>
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Lloyd <elfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> arlen holder <ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:31:26 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>> For tablets I would certainly agree, ipads of all sorts are just better
>>> than any Android tablet I?ve seen, and I?ve had and still have quite a few.
>>
>> Hi Lloyd,
>>
>> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
>> o I have iPads & Android devices, where I base my beliefs on actual facts.
>>
>> If you also base your beliefs on facts, then you should be able to pass the
>> simple 3-word "name just one" test of your belief system, Lloyd.
>>
>> Certainly Android tablets are "better" than iOS tablets in some ways.
>> o For example, external sd slots
>>
>> It's easy to "name just one" functionality on Android that isn't on iOS:
>> o For example, backing up all the apps (even system apps) to the device
>>
>> In fact, I can name a _lot_ of app functionality on Android not on iOS.
>> o That means my belief system is based on facts.
>>
>> Now let's test _your_ belief system.
>> o Is _your_ belief system imaginary?
>> o Or is your belief system based on fact?
>>
>> *Does your belief system pass the simple 3-word factual test?*
>>
>> QUESTION TO TEST Lloy'ds belief system (is it imaginary, or factual?).
>>
>> Q: What app functionality do you use on iPads, that isn't on Android?
>> o Name just one
>>
> Back to your usual trolling bullshit I see.
>
> Some of us here are having a reasonable discussion yet you seem to always
> go back to your long winded crap while saying nothing at all. As to ?belief
> system?, we are rendering our opinions and that has nothing to do with your
> bogus ?belief system? crap. My opinions are based on long years with tech
> of all sorts and started well before MS-DOS even existed.
>
> --
> Lloyd
>
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The Real Bev
Mar 23, 2019, 1:07:06 PM3/23/19
to
convenient place for GPS driving instructions. I'd like such a thing,
but not enough to drill holes. I'm not even willing to stick something
in the vent for my phone.
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