Is Apple seriously suggesting that millions of unsuspecting customers - now become - beta testers - just so that their phones will work!

[Arlen Holder]

*Are all Apple users really _that_ stupid?*

Is Apple seriously suggesting that millions of unsuspecting customers be
forced into becoming beta testers just so that their iPhone will charge?

Can it be true?

*Is Apple on record for suggesting the patently ridiculous?*
<https://www.cnet.com/news/apples-ios-12-1-will-fix-iphone-xs-max-charging-issue/>

Is Apple seriously suggesting that millions of unsuspecting customers - now
become - beta testers - just so that their phones will properly charge?

It's not in the press release (which is about meaningless childish things):
<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/10/apple-brings-more-than-70-new-emoji-to-iphone-with-ios-12-1/>

It's apparently also not in the iOS 12.1 beta release notes?
<https://developer.apple.com/documentation/ios_release_notes/ios_12_1_beta_2_release_notes>

*Are all Apple users really _that_ stupid?*

[Lloyd]

The answer of course, is no to all. We Apple users know that any little
gotchas will either not affect many, or will be fixed. Not something you
can always say about Android.

--
Lloyd

[Davoud]

Arlen Holder... wrote more of his nonsense.

Then Lloyd, drawn to that troll like a moth to a flame, replied...

****

Fer chrissakes, people, stop replying to that idiot! I'm spending half
of my USENET time making filters!

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

[Savageduck]

On Oct 3, 2018, Lloyd wrote
(in
article<533141455.560280026.839...@news.individual.net>):

> Arlen Holder<a%rlenh...@no.spam.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > *Are all Apple users really _that_ stupid?*
>

> The answer of course, is no to all. We Apple users know that any little
> gotchas will either not affect many, or will be fixed. Not something you
> can always say about Android.

Of course there are quite a large number of us Apple users who didn’t buy
an iPhone X of any vintage. My iPhone 8+, and iPad Pro, and my
step-daughter’s iPhone 6S are running on iOS12.0 without so much as a
hiccough. Nothing there that needs fixing for me.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

[B...@onramp.net]

My wife and I both have the original iPhone X and IOS 12.0 with no
problems at all.

[Lloyd]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2018-10-03, B...@Onramp.net <B...@Onramp.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 10:42:22 -0700, Savageduck
>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> On Oct 3, 2018, Lloyd wrote
>>>>

>>>> The answer of course, is no to all. We Apple users know that any little
>>>> gotchas will either not affect many, or will be fixed. Not something you
>>>> can always say about Android.
>>>
>>> Of course there are quite a large number of us Apple users who didn’t buy
>>> an iPhone X of any vintage. My iPhone 8+, and iPad Pro, and my
>>> step-daughter’s iPhone 6S are running on iOS12.0 without so much as a
>>> hiccough. Nothing there that needs fixing for me.
>>
>> My wife and I both have the original iPhone X and IOS 12.0 with no
>> problems at all.
>

> Same here with my iPhone X. None of the dozen or so people I know with
> the iPhone X or XS have the problem. It's not very widespread.
>

I’d have to agree. I’ve not had any of the issues that our resident troll
keeps going on about. And reading in a few other forums, the number of
posts about them a not all that either.

--
Lloyd

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 16:00:56 -0500, Lloyd wrote:

> I▃ have to agree. I▔e not had any of the issues that our resident troll

> keeps going on about. And reading in a few other forums, the number of
> posts about them a not all that either.

You Apple Apologists _always_ fail to grasp the import of the fact
that Apple doesn't adequately test their products in the real world.

In addition, you Apple Apologists fail to comprehend that it's preposterous
to suggest that unsuspecting customers who paid upwards of $1,500 for the
new phones, must unwillingly become beta testers, just to get their
extremely expensive phones to work.

Given those are obvious facts...
*It's amazing how fantastically _stupid_ Apple Apologists prove to be.*

--
You Apple Apologists have no defense against facts.

[Alan Baker]

On 2018-10-03 2:59 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 16:00:56 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>

>> I¢d have to agree. I¢ve not had any of the issues that our resident troll

>> keeps going on about. And reading in a few other forums, the number of
>> posts about them a not all that either.
>
> You Apple Apologists _always_ fail to grasp the import of the fact
> that Apple doesn't adequately test their products in the real world.

You imagine that other products don't have these same sorts of teething
problems, "Arlen"?

[*Hemidactylus*]

Arlen Holder <a%rlenh...@no.spam.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 16:00:56 -0500, Lloyd wrote:
>

>> Iขd have to agree. Iขve not had any of the issues that our resident troll

>> keeps going on about. And reading in a few other forums, the number of
>> posts about them a not all that either.
>
> You Apple Apologists _always_ fail to grasp the import of the fact
> that Apple doesn't adequately test their products in the real world.
>
> In addition, you Apple Apologists fail to comprehend that it's preposterous
> to suggest that unsuspecting customers who paid upwards of $1,500 for the
> new phones, must unwillingly become beta testers, just to get their
> extremely expensive phones to work.
>
> Given those are obvious facts...
> *It's amazing how fantastically _stupid_ Apple Apologists prove to be.*
>

Given your hyperbolic rhetoric it’s an amazing miracle I have yet to have
my iphone brick. The abrupt removal of the bluetooth icon without warning
in iOS 12 was a bit bone jarring. No I don’t agree with the paternalism
that Apple knows best. There should be a toggle somewhere for the Bluetooth
icon as there is for battery percentage. C’mon Apple!

[arlen holder]

> *Are all Apple users really _that_ stupid?*

Apparently...

Facts:

Apple has, yet again, *opened* privacy holes in iOS releases!

It's simply yet another indication that the privacy on both platforms is
"about the same", despite the Apple Propaganda which only left side of
mount stupid Dunning Kruger poster children actually believe.
<https://scanfoam.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/adpativeDKblog3.jpg>

The fact is that, yet again (for the umpteenth time), Apple has recently
shipped another untested diarrhea of iOS that opens up privacy wide open.
o facetime privacy bug
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/NFW7nz6FELw>

*How many times in just the past two years has this happened!*
o Apple users love to _feel_ safe from the sheer frequency of iOS releases
o But the proof of myriad privacy holes is utterly astounding
o Because, clearly, Apple doesn't sufficiently _test_ iOS releases

*Only the sheer _frequency_ of iOS matters to the consumer!*
o The consumer wants to _feel_ safe (not actually _be_ safe)
o So Apple gives them what they want, which is a diarrhea of iOS releases

It's _clear_ that Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested iOS releases
o Even the head of software engineering, Craig Federighi said so
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/rVACwh2fE5Y/CReSXKtYEwAJ>

Here is a post from the Apple newsgroups just moments ago
showing, yet again, Apple doesn't sufficiently test for privacy bugs in the
diarrhea that is iOS release schedules:

Update1: Apple has taken Group FaceTime offline in an attempt to address
the issue in the interim).
Update2: There is a second part to this which can expose video too!
"9to5Mac has reproduced the FaceTime bug with an iPhone X
calling an iPhone XR, but it is believed to affect any pair of iOS
devices running iOS 12.1 or later."
<https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/28/facetime-bug-hear-audio/>

o Apple FaceTime bug lets you listen in on people you call,
o even if they haven't picked up their iPhone
<https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/28/apple-facetime-bug-lets-you-listen-even-if-someone-doesnt-answer.html>
"A bug in FaceTime lets you listen in to the audio if you try to call
someone even if they don't pick up. You first video call someone
then try to add yourself to the group call."

o Major iPhone FaceTime bug lets you hear the audio of the person
o you are calling _before_ they pick up
<https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/28/facetime-bug-hear-audio/>
"The bug lets you call anyone with FaceTime, and immediately hear
the audio coming from their phone before the person on the other end
has accepted or rejected the incoming call."

o Here's how to do the iPhone FaceTime bug:
o Start a FaceTime Video call with an iPhone contact.
o Whilst the call is dialing, swipe up from the bottom of the screen
o and tap Add Person.
o Add your own phone number in the Add Person screen.
o You will then start a group FaceTime call including yourself
o and the audio of the person you originally called,
o even if they haven't accepted the call yet.

o It will look like in the UI like the other person
o has joined the group chat,
o but on their actual device
o it will still be ringing on the lockscreen.
<https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/28/facetime-bug-hear-audio/>

Without delving into Apologist Politics, it's just one more indication that
o Apple ships _untested_ releases where the sheer frequency is a "diarrhea"
o Privacy on all common consumer mobile platforms is "about the same"

It's understood that Apple Marketing Propaganda says otherwise,
but only Apple Apologists actually _believe_ in Apple make-believe.

*For actual facts on privacy, please see:*
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities
between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MiZixhidmOs>

*And, for actual facts on what I call "a diarrhea of iOS releases", please see:*
o Lockscreen exploit easilfy found only hours after iOS 12.1 released (yet
again, Apple never tests anything in the real world)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/N-hQKPDI4a0/4tfgLojLAAAJ>

*And, for facts about why Apologist Politics is what it is, please see:*
o Apple Apologist suffer from left-side dunning-kruger cognitive bias
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MwtyT7BdxF4>

Facts.