Diabetes in India article
Uncle Enrico
W. Baker
: http://tinyurl.com/e6c7x
I was reading the article in the NY Times this morning (And actually able
to read the print-first ime in a long time!) and began to weep. is it
really necessary for people to have to reinvent teh wheel and repeat our
mistakes? I feel the same way aobut industrializing with tons of
pollution, that was not fully understood in teh 19th Century.
I believe that , asIndia is still acountry where getin g enough calories
is still a major problem fo rmany adn where that has been teh cse for
centuries, at least, that the most food-use efficient Indians were the
ones who reproduced an now that there is enough food for many, the
efficiency is working against them. I sincerely hope they are able to
stem this tide through education or something.
Wendy
Uncle Enrico
news:ee9j3b$pcp$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> stem this tide through education or something.
>
I'm sure this problem will be solved eventually. Until we find better
medical tools, we need an effective set of behavioral tools to turn this
problem around.
High fuel costs might actually save us. If more people were forced out of
their cars by economics, they would get more walking done, even if they take
buses and metros, they'll walk more.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:ee9j3b$pcp$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> > Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > : http://tinyurl.com/e6c7x
> > I sincerely hope they are able to
> > stem this tide through education or something.
> >
>
> I'm sure this problem will be solved eventually.
One solution is the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
brother Richard whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
Jeff
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1158192514.9...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Uncle Enrico wrote:
>> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:ee9j3b$pcp$2...@reader1.panix.com...
>> > Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> > : http://tinyurl.com/e6c7x
>> > I sincerely hope they are able to
>> > stem this tide through education or something.
>> >
>>
>> I'm sure this problem will be solved eventually.
>
> One solution is the 2PD-OMER Approach:
That's a bad solution. A much better solution is good diet and excercise. If
I am incorrect, please provide scientific articles in the peer-reviewed
press.
Until you are able to provide intelligent responses, I will not respond to
you again in this thread.
Jeff
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> > Uncle Enrico wrote:
> >> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ee9j3b$pcp$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> >> > Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> > : http://tinyurl.com/e6c7x
> >> > I sincerely hope they are able to
> >> > stem this tide through education or something.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'm sure this problem will be solved eventually.
> >
> > One solution is the 2PD-OMER Approach:
> >
>
> That's a bad solution.
For some, it may be the only solution:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d?
> A much better solution is good diet and excercise.
There is no evidence that either or both helps people achieve lasting
weight loss.
Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
> If
> I am incorrect, please provide scientific articles in the peer-reviewed
> press.
http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Jeff whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
> Until you are able to provide intelligent responses, I will not respond to
GrandpaChuck
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Uh, why not in God's love and yours?
Saying in "Christ's love" is far too restrictive IMHO.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 12, 2006 is 2,672. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 18,777 Americans wounded.
09/13/2006 it’s 1232 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
More Americans have died in Iraq and Afghanistan then died in the attacks on 9/11. For what?
GrandpaChuck
>physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
sechumlib
<lov...@thetruth.com> said:
> Uncle Enrico wrote:
>> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:ee9j3b$pcp$2...@reader1.panix.com...
>>> Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> : http://tinyurl.com/e6c7x
>>> I sincerely hope they are able to
>>> stem this tide through education or something.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure this problem will be solved eventually.
>
> One solution is the 2PD-OMER Approach:
Oh, bullshit.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
>
> Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
obesity would have decelerated. Folks not listening to the mantra
being issued as advice from their doctors would have simply reduced the
deceleration and not accelerate rates of obesity as has been observed:
http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
GrandpaChuck wrote:
> On 13 Sep 2006 17:08:34 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >
> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Uh, why not in God's love and yours?
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
GrandpaChuck
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
>> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
>>
>> Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
>> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
>
>If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
>obesity would have decelerated.
Not really, with human nature being what it is.
America's lifestyle adds to the problem. Everyone wants a quick fix;
an easier, softer way. They also want fast foods so they don't have to
go through the preparation and time it takes to fix good and healthy
meals.
> Folks not listening to the mantra
>being issued as advice from their doctors would have simply reduced the
>deceleration and not accelerate rates of obesity as has been observed:
>
>
>May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
>love unconditionally.
Back at you.
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Jesus Christ was a man - nothing more nor less to me and many others.
Any virile man can impregnate a virgin without having intercourse with
her. Convincing a superstitious young girl that it was a god that
impregnated her wouldn't be all that difficult, especially when that
legend was common among many religious sects of that time.
GrandpaChuck
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> On 13 Sep 2006 17:08:34 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >
>> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>>
>> Uh, why not in God's love and yours?
>
>"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
>Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
I do not understand that statement at all. Please explain.
Resurrection of the dead was also a common belief in many splinter
religious groups throughout that part of the world at the time.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
> >> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
> >>
> >> Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
> >> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
> >
> >If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
> >obesity would have decelerated.
>
> Not really, with human nature being what it is.
This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
entirely opposite effect.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> On 13 Sep 2006 17:08:34 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >
> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >>
> >> Uh, why not in God's love and yours?
> >
> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
>
> I do not understand that statement at all. Please explain.
Thomas had missed out on the first appearance of the risen Christ
Jesus. When he rejoined his fellow disciples after this fact and was
informed about Jesus' appearance, Thomas refused to believe it and
stated that he would not believe it until he saw this for himself and
placed his fingers into the holes of our LORD's hands and his hand into
the wound in our LORD's side. Basically, he did not believe that LORD
Jesus Christ is GOD until the moment quoted above.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
> Resurrection of the dead was also a common belief in many splinter
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
>> >> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
>> >>
>> >> Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
>> >> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
>> >
>> >If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
>> >obesity would have decelerated.
>>
>> Not really, with human nature being what it is.
>
>This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
>entirely opposite effect.
>
When did you last meet any person who did 100% of what a doctor
recommended when it was something they did not want to do?
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> On 13 Sep 2006 17:08:34 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >
>> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >>
>> >> Uh, why not in God's love and yours?
>> >
>> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
>> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
>>
>> I do not understand that statement at all. Please explain.
>
>Thomas had missed out on the first appearance of the risen Christ
>Jesus. When he rejoined his fellow disciples after this fact and was
>informed about Jesus' appearance, Thomas refused to believe it and
>stated that he would not believe it until he saw this for himself and
>placed his fingers into the holes of our LORD's hands and his hand into
>the wound in our LORD's side. Basically, he did not believe that LORD
>Jesus Christ is GOD until the moment quoted above.
Oh, you are talking about that black book written and rewritten by
people such as the Popes with an agenda down through the centuries.
God does not own a printing press and never wrote nor dictated any
writings to anyone. On the other hand, if you insist on believing
ancient legends and fantasies, have at it. Just don't try to tell
others they have to believe it just because you say they should or
some guy dressed in a robe every Saturday or Sunday.
We do not need anyone to tell us how to converse with God. He/She/It
communicates with each of us every day if we will only pay attention.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> On 13 Sep 2006 17:08:34 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >> >>
> >> >> Uh, why not in God's love and yours?
> >> >
> >> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
> >> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
> >>
> >> I do not understand that statement at all. Please explain.
> >
> >Thomas had missed out on the first appearance of the risen Christ
> >Jesus. When he rejoined his fellow disciples after this fact and was
> >informed about Jesus' appearance, Thomas refused to believe it and
> >stated that he would not believe it until he saw this for himself and
> >placed his fingers into the holes of our LORD's hands and his hand into
> >the wound in our LORD's side. Basically, he did not believe that LORD
> >Jesus Christ is GOD until the moment quoted above.
>
> Oh, you are talking about that black book written and rewritten by
> people such as the Popes with an agenda down through the centuries.
No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
> >> >> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
> >> >> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
> >> >
> >> >If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
> >> >obesity would have decelerated.
> >>
> >> Not really, with human nature being what it is.
> >
> >This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
> >entirely opposite effect.
>
> When did you last meet any person who did 100% of what a doctor
> recommended when it was something they did not want to do?
Yesterday.
No one wants to take the medicine their doctor has prescribed for them.
The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
experts.
They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
exercising" is a false mantra for lose weight.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
sechumlib
> Resurrection of the dead was also a common belief in many splinter
> religious groups throughout that part of the world at the time.
Ain't it too bad one "splinter" grew to be a "beam" in the eye of the
whole world?
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> >> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
>> >> >> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
>> >> >> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
>> >> >
>> >> >If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
>> >> >obesity would have decelerated.
>> >>
>> >> Not really, with human nature being what it is.
>> >
>> >This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
>> >entirely opposite effect.
>>
>> When did you last meet any person who did 100% of what a doctor
>> recommended when it was something they did not want to do?
>
>Yesterday.
>
>No one wants to take the medicine their doctor has prescribed for them.
Taking the medicine the doctor prescribed is one thing. Following the
doctor's advise about diet and exercise is entirely different and much
harder to do.
>
>The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
>
>Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
>based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
>experts.
A very small minority of people, that is.
>
>They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
>exercising" is a false mantra for lose weight.
Show proof. There isn't any.
>
>May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
>love unconditionally.
I pray my heart does not keep beating after my brain has ceased
working.
>
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 14, 2006 is 2,675. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/13/2006 it’s 1233 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
GrandpaChuck
>No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
>
Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 14, 2006 is 2,675. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/13/2006 it’s 1233 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
GrandpaChuck
wrote:
Not just one. The Christians and Muslims are in a contest to see who
loves God the most and who can exterminate the other.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 14, 2006 is 2,675. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/13/2006 it’s 1233 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
Trinkwasser
wrote:
It's going to be an order of magnitude more complicated than that
though.
High fuel costs make it more economic to grow crops for fuel. Here we
have rape (Canola) which can more or less substitute for diesel,
they're working on using grain and especially sugar beet for ethanol.
Wheat is even being used in place of coal in solid fuel boilers.
So the lack of carbs in the diet may have an added benefit as they're
transferred to the fuel market.
However the lack of food in the world as a whole will be greatly
worsened by the extensive growing of crops for fuel.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
> >> >> >> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
> >> >> >> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
> >> >> >obesity would have decelerated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not really, with human nature being what it is.
> >> >
> >> >This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
> >> >entirely opposite effect.
> >>
> >> When did you last meet any person who did 100% of what a doctor
> >> recommended when it was something they did not want to do?
> >
> >Yesterday.
> >
> >No one wants to take the medicine their doctor has prescribed for them.
>
> Taking the medicine the doctor prescribed is one thing.
Your question is nonetheless answered.
> Following the
> doctor's advise about diet and exercise is entirely different and much
> harder to do.
Different but not necessarily harder to do.
Eating right: Many people have no problems with eating more fruits and
vegetables as doctors are advising.
Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
>
> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
exercise."
> >Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
> >based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
> >experts.
>
> A very small minority of people, that is.
Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
indicate otherwise.
> >They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
> >exercising" is a false mantra for losing weight.
>
> Show proof. There isn't any.
The proof is in the documented acceleration in rates of obesity since
the mantra was issued in the 1980's:
http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
> >love unconditionally.
>
> I pray my heart does not keep beating after my brain has ceased
> working.
You wouldn't know the difference.
> >
> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.
Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >
> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
>
> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
Have you checked into the cost recently? Do you know the people that
need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
>
>> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
>>
>> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
>
>The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
>exercise."
Few and far between.
>
>> >Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
>> >based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
>> >experts.
>>
>> A very small minority of people, that is.
>
>Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
>the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
>indicate otherwise.
So you are seeing many fewer overweight people in the Atlanta area?
>
>> >They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
>> >exercising" is a false mantra for losing weight.
>>
>> Show proof. There isn't any.
>
>The proof is in the documented acceleration in rates of obesity since
>the mantra was issued in the 1980's:
>
>http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
>
>> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
>> >love unconditionally.
>>
>> I pray my heart does not keep beating after my brain has ceased
>> working.
>
>You wouldn't know the difference.
>
>> >
>> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>>
>> Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.
>
>Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.
BULSHIT!
Just another superstition.
Buddha never claimed to be a god.
I don't believe Jesus did either, but the writers of the New Testament
put words in his mouth.
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >
>> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
>>
>> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
>
>No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
I disagree completely.
If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
> >> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
>
> >> I do not understand that statement at all. Please explain.
>
> >Thomas had missed out on the first appearance of the risen Christ
> >Jesus. When he rejoined his fellow disciples after this fact and was
> >informed about Jesus' appearance, Thomas refused to believe it and
> >stated that he would not believe it until he saw this for himself and
> >placed his fingers into the holes of our LORD's hands and his hand into
> >the wound in our LORD's side. Basically, he did not believe that LORD
> >Jesus Christ is GOD until the moment quoted above.
>
> alive that Thomas doubted, not whether or not he was God's Son. He was
> agnostic about the other disciples claim that they had seen Jesus, not
> about theology.
"Because you have seen ME, you have believed; blessed are those who
have not seen and yet have believed." -- LORD Jesus Christ speaking to
Thomas after he declares that Jesus is his GOD.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating so that you will have time
to find the way, dear neighbor Don whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >
> >> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
> >>
> >> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
> >
> >No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
>
> I disagree completely.
You have the free will generously given to you by GOD, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
> If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
There is only one GOD, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
> Do you know the people that
> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
> >>
> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
> >
> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
> >exercise."
>
> Few and far between.
It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
and exercise" are "few and far between."
The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
is exactly what is happening.
Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
one for helping people lose weight.
> >> >Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
> >> >based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
> >> >experts.
> >>
> >> A very small minority of people, that is.
> >
> >Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
> >the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
> >indicate otherwise.
>
> So you are seeing many fewer overweight people in the Atlanta area?
Most of the people I know in Atlanta are my patients, who are among the
leanest&trimmest people around because they have been using the
2PD-OMER Approach to lose weight while "eating right and exercising" to
become more fit.
> >
> >> >They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
> >> >exercising" is a false mantra for losing weight.
> >>
> >> Show proof. There isn't any.
> >
> >The proof is in the documented acceleration in rates of obesity since
> >the mantra was issued in the 1980's:
> >
> >http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
> >
> >> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
> >> >love unconditionally.
> >>
> >> I pray my heart does not keep beating after my brain has ceased
> >> working.
> >
> >You wouldn't know the difference.
> >
> >> >
> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >>
> >> Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.
> >
> >Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.
>
> BULSHIT!
Sorry the truth bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
> Just another superstition.
Most assuredly without doubt, LORD Jesus Christ is the risen Savior.
> Buddha never claimed to be a god.
Correct.
> I don't believe Jesus did either, but the writers of the New Testament
> put words in his mouth.
Actually, LORD Jesus Christ has been identified as GOD by several
witnesses that have reliably testified about the truth.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
>> >gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
>>
>> Have you checked into the cost recently?
>
>Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
And for poor people without access to transportation. Many obese
people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.
>
>> Do you know the people that
>> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
>
>The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
was what I was talking about.
>
>> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
>> >>
>> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
>> >
>> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
>> >exercise."
>>
>> Few and far between.
>
>It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
>obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
>and exercise" are "few and far between."
Exactly.
>
>The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
>would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
>practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
>were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
>obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
>actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
>is exactly what is happening.
I don't believe that for one second. About as long as I believe in
your phony two pound diet mantra.
>
>Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
>one for helping people lose weight.
Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
Simmons is a prime example.
>
>> >> >Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
>> >> >based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
>> >> >experts.
>> >>
>> >> A very small minority of people, that is.
>> >
>> >Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
>> >the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
>> >indicate otherwise.
>>
>> So you are seeing many fewer overweight people in the Atlanta area?
>
>Most of the people I know in Atlanta are my patients, who are among the
>leanest&trimmest people around because they have been using the
>2PD-OMER Approach to lose weight while "eating right and exercising" to
>become more fit.
I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
you background and loss of hospital privileges. If I understand your
so called diet if I drink four eight ounce glasses of sugar free drink
per day I wouldn't be allowed to eat anything. Right? That is just
plain assinine IMNSHO.
>> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >>
>> >> Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.
>> >
>> >Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.
>>
>> BULSHIT!
>
>Sorry the truth bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
>iniquities.
Truth doesn't bother me at all.
I just don't like to see the lies of the churches repeated as being
fact when they are lies.
>
>> Just another superstition.
>
>Most assuredly without doubt, LORD Jesus Christ is the risen Savior.
"Without doubt"?
As non-Christians if they believe that.
>
>> Buddha never claimed to be a god.
>
>Correct.
>
>> I don't believe Jesus did either, but the writers of the New Testament
>> put words in his mouth.
>
>Actually, LORD Jesus Christ has been identified as GOD by several
>witnesses that have reliably testified about the truth.
So what? Many people have claimed to have personally seen Buddha in
the flesh long after his death too..
>
>"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Don't quote your bible to me or other non-Christians please. I find it
offensive.
>
>"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
>Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
And many people in the Middle East and Greece areas that were members
of other sects claimed to have seen risen dead holy people too.
>
>May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
>neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Curing my diabetes? Gimme a break!
>
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
>Andrew <><
Prayerfully in Gods Unconditional Love that you may find the truth of
that love and accept all people as the brothers and sisters of God.
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >
>> >> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
>> >>
>> >> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
>> >
>> >No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
>>
>> I disagree completely.
>
>You have the free will generously given to you by GOD, Whom I love with
>all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
And what makes you think my free will was given to me by God?
>
>> If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
>
>There is only one GOD, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
You very statement names three gods after claiming there is only one.
You continuously talk out of both sides of you mouth and then blame
Jesus for it.
--
GrandpaChuck
>"Because you have seen ME, you have believed; blessed are those who
>have not seen and yet have believed." -- LORD Jesus Christ speaking to
>Thomas after he declares that Jesus is his GOD.
Did Jesus have a stenographer with him at all times recording
everything he said?
Why were so many books left out of the Bible when the Holy Catholic
Church formalized it?
Why was nothing reported of the five years Jesus spent studying the
teachings of Buddha in the Buddhist monastery in India?
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 14, 2006 is 2,675. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/13/2006 it’s 1233 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
Alan S
<Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote:
> I thought you knew that was what I was talking about.
Chuck, you're talking to Chung. Or, to be more accurate,
you're talking at Chung.
Why is something I fail to understand. Talk to the mirror.
At least the listener looks as intelligent and sane and the
talker.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
GrandpaChuck
<loralweig...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:59:59 GMT, GrandpaChuck
><Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote:
>
>> I thought you knew that was what I was talking about.
>
>Chuck, you're talking to Chung. Or, to be more accurate,
>you're talking at Chung.
>
>Why is something I fail to understand. Talk to the mirror.
>At least the listener looks as intelligent and sane and the
>talker.
True, but less entertaining.
I will probably give it up soon. I thought I just might get through to
him at some level, but it is probably an exercise in futility.
Alan S
<Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote:
>True, but less entertaining.
>I will probably give it up soon. I thought I just might get through to
>him at some level, but it is probably an exercise in futility.
That paragraph looks so much better if you delete the word
"probably" whenever it appears.
In that case I probably won't make the addition to my
killfile that I was about to:-)
GrandpaChuck
<loralweig...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:20:56 GMT, GrandpaChuck
><Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote:
>
>>True, but less entertaining.
>>I will probably give it up soon. I thought I just might get through to
>>him at some level, but it is probably an exercise in futility.
>
>
>That paragraph looks so much better if you delete the word
>"probably" whenever it appears.
>
>In that case I probably won't make the addition to my
>killfile that I was about to:-)
>
I only removed him from my killfile after our holiday in the mountains
of Colorado. I came home refreshed and happy to be home, so I thought
I would empty the killfile and see if anyone I had in it had changed.
I am not surprised at all - not even a little disappointed. ;-)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
> >> >>
> >> >> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
> >> >
> >> >No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
> >>
> >> I disagree completely.
> >
> >You have the free will generously given to you by GOD, Whom I love with
> >all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>
> And what makes you think my free will was given to me by God?
Only the Creator has such infinite power and will and love and mercy
and grace.
> >
> >> If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
> >
> >There is only one GOD, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
>
> You very statement names three gods after claiming there is only one.
GOD is an infinite Being with many names able to assume many forms and
to be present at multiple places simultaneously.
Most assuredly without doubt, GOD is omnipotent and omniscient.
> You continuously talk out of both sides of you mouth and then blame
> Jesus for it.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
> >> >gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
> >>
> >> Have you checked into the cost recently?
> >
> >Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
>
> And for poor people without access to transportation.
There is always walking, which would be what they are already doing.
> Many obese
> people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
> are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.
Then they can go late at night when there are fewer people.
> >
> >> Do you know the people that
> >> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
> >
> >The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
>
> Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
> was what I was talking about.
You did not make it clear because the poorest in the United States do
have access to such places.
> >> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
> >> >>
> >> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
> >> >
> >> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
> >> >exercise."
> >>
> >> Few and far between.
> >
> >It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
> >obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
> >and exercise" are "few and far between."
>
> Exactly.
>
> >The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
> >would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
> >practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
> >were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
> >obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
> >actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
> >is exactly what is happening.
>
> I don't believe that for one second.
Logically, it is undeniable.
> About as long as I believe in
> your phony two pound diet mantra.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a mantra.
Instead of "eat right and exercise", the mantra should have been "eat
less" from the outset.
If the latter mantra had been on the lips of doctors since the 1980s,
there would not have been the acceleration in rates of obesity that we
have seen:
http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
> >
> >Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
> >one for helping people lose weight.
>
> Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
> people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
> Simmons is a prime example.
Richard Simmons clearly has eaten less.
> >> >> >Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
> >> >> >based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
> >> >> >experts.
> >> >>
> >> >> A very small minority of people, that is.
> >> >
> >> >Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
> >> >the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
> >> >indicate otherwise.
> >>
> >> So you are seeing many fewer overweight people in the Atlanta area?
> >
> >Most of the people I know in Atlanta are my patients, who are among the
> >leanest&trimmest people around because they have been using the
> >2PD-OMER Approach to lose weight while "eating right and exercising" to
> >become more fit.
>
> I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
> you background and loss of hospital privileges.
In truth, I have never lost hospital privileges.
Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
> If I understand your
> so called diet if I drink four eight ounce glasses of sugar free drink
> per day I wouldn't be allowed to eat anything. Right?
Incorrect.
> That is just
> plain assinine IMNSHO.
It is simply incorrect.
>
> >> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >> >>
> >> >> Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.
> >> >
> >> >Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.
> >>
> >> BULSHIT!
> >
> >Sorry the truth bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
> >iniquities.
>
> Truth doesn't bother me at all.
Your use of profanity betrays what is in your heart.
> I just don't like to see the lies of the churches repeated as being
> fact when they are lies.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >> Just another superstition.
> >
> >Most assuredly without doubt, LORD Jesus Christ is the risen Savior.
>
> "Without doubt"?
Correct.
> As non-Christians if they believe that.
Born-again Christians know it.
> >> Buddha never claimed to be a god.
> >
> >Correct.
> >
> >> I don't believe Jesus did either, but the writers of the New Testament
> >> put words in his mouth.
> >
> >Actually, LORD Jesus Christ has been identified as GOD by several
> >witnesses that have reliably testified about the truth.
>
> So what?
The truth is absolute.
> Many people have claimed to have personally seen Buddha in
> the flesh long after his death too..
As you have written, he is not GOD.
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Don't quote your bible to me or other non-Christians please. I find it
> offensive.
What I have written above is what I have heard while in the Holy
Spirit.
To understand this, simply surf the links below my sigs.
> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
>
> And many people in the Middle East and Greece areas that were members
> of other sects claimed to have seen risen dead holy people too.
None have been identified as GOD.
> >May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> >neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Curing my diabetes?
Yes.
> Gimme a break!
Which leg ?
> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >
> >Andrew <><
>
> Prayerfully in Gods Unconditional Love that you may find the truth of
> that love and accept all people as the brothers and sisters of God.
Those who do the will of my heavenly Father are already my brothers and
sisters.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating so that you will have the
time you need to find the way, dear neighbor Chuck whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
GrandpaChuck
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>>
>> >> >Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
>> >> >gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
>> >>
>> >> Have you checked into the cost recently?
>> >
>> >Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
>>
>> And for poor people without access to transportation.
>
>There is always walking, which would be what they are already doing.
I don't know about the area of Atlanta where you live, but here every
single fitness center is at least four to five miles from the part of
the city where most of the people we are talking about live.
>
>> Many obese
>> people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
>> are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.
>
>Then they can go late at night when there are fewer people.
What an assinine statement.
Fitness centers are their busiest at night.
Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
or less.
>
>> >
>> >> Do you know the people that
>> >> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
>> >
>> >The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
>>
>> Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
>> was what I was talking about.
>
>You did not make it clear because the poorest in the United States do
>have access to such places.
Try living in reality.
To quote Robin Williams, "Reality! What a concept!"
>
>> >> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
>> >> >
>> >> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
>> >> >exercise."
>> >>
>> >> Few and far between.
>> >
>> >It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
>> >obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
>> >and exercise" are "few and far between."
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> >The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
>> >would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
>> >practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
>> >were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
>> >obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
>> >actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
>> >is exactly what is happening.
>>
>> I don't believe that for one second.
>
>Logically, it is undeniable.
Logically it is a bald faced lie.
>
>> About as long as I believe in
>> your phony two pound diet mantra.
>
>The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a mantra.
What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?
>
>Instead of "eat right and exercise", the mantra should have been "eat
>less" from the outset.
Which every one of them is. Duh.
>> >
>> >Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
>> >one for helping people lose weight.
>>
>> Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
>> people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
>> Simmons is a prime example.
>
>Richard Simmons clearly has eaten less.
Exactly my point. He has eaten right and exercised. You can't be the
stupid or dense.
<snip>
>> I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
>> you background and loss of hospital privileges.
>
>In truth, I have never lost hospital privileges.
Oh really? Where then did all those links that others have posted come
from?
>
>Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
links for years?
>> >> >
>> >> >Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.
>> >>
>> >> BULSHIT!
>> >
>> >Sorry the truth bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
>> >iniquities.
>>
>> Truth doesn't bother me at all.
>
>Your use of profanity betrays what is in your heart.
What you choose to call profanity is simply common language. You need
to get out amongst ordinary people once in awhile. For that matter
what is profane about the word "bullshit". Obviously you haven't spent
much time on a farm where there were cattle.
>
>> I just don't like to see the lies of the churches repeated as being
>> fact when they are lies.
>
>It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
I haven't seen that from you yet.
>
>> >> Just another superstition.
>> >
>> >Most assuredly without doubt, LORD Jesus Christ is the risen Savior.
>>
>> "Without doubt"?
>
>Correct.
>
>> As non-Christians if they believe that.
>
>Born-again Christians know it.
I was a "born again Christian" until I saw the fallacy of it and
awoke.
>
>> >> Buddha never claimed to be a god.
>> >
>> >Correct.
>> >
>> >> I don't believe Jesus did either, but the writers of the New Testament
>> >> put words in his mouth.
>> >
>> >Actually, LORD Jesus Christ has been identified as GOD by several
>> >witnesses that have reliably testified about the truth.
>>
>> So what?
>
>The truth is absolute.
>
>> Many people have claimed to have personally seen Buddha in
>> the flesh long after his death too..
>
>As you have written, he is not GOD.
He is as much as you, me and Jesus.
For god sake man, learn to <snip>.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 15, 2006 is 2,680. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/15/2006 it’s 1236 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> >> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
>> >> >
>> >> >No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
>> >>
>> >> I disagree completely.
>> >
>> >You have the free will generously given to you by GOD, Whom I love with
>> >all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>>
>> And what makes you think my free will was given to me by God?
>
>Only the Creator has such infinite power and will and love and mercy
>and grace.
According to your religious beliefs; not mine.
>
>> >
>> >> If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
>> >
>> >There is only one GOD, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
>>
>> You very statement names three gods after claiming there is only one.
>
>GOD is an infinite Being with many names able to assume many forms and
>to be present at multiple places simultaneously.
God is present in all things and all beings at all times.
>
>Most assuredly without doubt, GOD is omnipotent and omniscient.
So, you are saying there is no such being as Satan and God is
responsible for all things.
>
>> You continuously talk out of both sides of you mouth and then blame
>> Jesus for it.
>
>It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Your truth; not mine.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 15, 2006 is 2,680. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/15/2006 it’s 1236 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
> >> >>
> >> >> I disagree completely.
> >> >
> >> >You have the free will generously given to you by GOD, Whom I love with
> >> >all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
> >>
> >> And what makes you think my free will was given to me by God?
> >
> >Only the Creator has such infinite power and will and love and mercy
> >and grace.
>
> According to your religious beliefs; not mine.
Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >> >> If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
> >> >
> >> >There is only one GOD, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
> >>
> >> You very statement names three gods after claiming there is only one.
> >
> >GOD is an infinite Being with many names able to assume many forms and
> >to be present at multiple places simultaneously.
>
> God is present in all things and all beings at all times.
HE is not present in satan.
> >Most assuredly without doubt, GOD is omnipotent and omniscient.
>
> So, you are saying there is no such being as Satan
No.
> and God is
> responsible for all things.
HE is sovereign and at this moment HE is tolerating evil:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7b6760d1e3827fcc?
> >
> >> You continuously talk out of both sides of you mouth and then blame
> >> Jesus for it.
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
>
> Your truth; not mine.
There is only one truth, and HE is absolute.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to find
the truth, dear neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
> >> >> >gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you checked into the cost recently?
> >> >
> >> >Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
> >>
> >> And for poor people without access to transportation.
> >
> >There is always walking, which would be what they are already doing.
>
> I don't know about the area of Atlanta where you live, but here every
> single fitness center is at least four to five miles from the part of
> the city where most of the people we are talking about live.
Walking to a from the grocery store is exercise especially when
carrying groceries.
> >> Many obese
> >> people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
> >> are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.
> >
> >Then they can go late at night when there are fewer people.
>
> What an assinine statement.
> Fitness centers are their busiest at night.
Not late weeknights.
> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
> or less.
One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
these days.
> >> >> Do you know the people that
> >> >> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
> >> >
> >> >The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
> >>
> >> Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
> >> was what I was talking about.
> >
> >You did not make it clear because the poorest in the United States do
> >have access to such places.
>
> Try living in reality.
In reality, there is a school with a track or baseball field nearby.
> To quote Robin Williams, "Reality! What a concept!"
That reminds me of the nearby concept malls too. All perfect venues
for a regular exercise program. Mall walkers abound everywhere in the
U.S.
> >> >> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
> >> >> >exercise."
> >> >>
> >> >> Few and far between.
> >> >
> >> >It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
> >> >obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
> >> >and exercise" are "few and far between."
> >>
> >> Exactly.
> >>
> >> >The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
> >> >would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
> >> >practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
> >> >were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
> >> >obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
> >> >actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
> >> >is exactly what is happening.
> >>
> >> I don't believe that for one second.
> >
> >Logically, it is undeniable.
>
> Logically it is a bald faced lie.
You are untruthful.
> >> About as long as I believe in
> >> your phony two pound diet mantra.
> >
> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a mantra.
>
> What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?
As if eating less were dangerous.
> >Instead of "eat right and exercise", the mantra should have been "eat
> >less" from the outset.
>
> Which every one of them is. Duh.
No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
>
> >> >
> >> >Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
> >> >one for helping people lose weight.
> >>
> >> Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
> >> people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
> >> Simmons is a prime example.
> >
> >Richard Simmons clearly has eaten less.
>
> Exactly my point.
Hardly.
> He has eaten right and exercised.
That is not the reason he has lost weight.
> You can't be the stupid or dense.
Correct.
> <snip>
> >> I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
> >> you background and loss of hospital privileges.
> >
> >In truth, I have never lost hospital privileges.
>
> Oh really?
Yes.
> Where then did all those links that others have posted come
> from?
>From untruthful people.
> >
> >Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
>
> Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
> links for years?
Repeating the false witness of others is bearing false witness.
Bottomline: You are untruthful.
Your bearing false witness is again forgiven as far as I am concerned.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating so that you will have time
to find the way to the truth, dear neighbor Chuck whom I love
GrandpaChuck
continue this discourse within the next 24 hours. If not, I may decide
to reopen that little room called KILLFILE and put you in it; by
yourself for now, but soon your sock puppets will follow.
On 15 Sep 2006 15:56:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
>> >> >> >gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have you checked into the cost recently?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
>> >>
>> >> And for poor people without access to transportation.
>> >
>> >There is always walking, which would be what they are already doing.
>>
>> I don't know about the area of Atlanta where you live, but here every
>> single fitness center is at least four to five miles from the part of
>> the city where most of the people we are talking about live.
>
>Walking to a from the grocery store is exercise especially when
>carrying groceries.
The nearest grocery store to much of the poor area of town is two to
three miles. Can't you just see a grossly obese person who can barely
walk at all making that round trip of four to six miles and carrying
groceries too?
You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.
>
>> >> Many obese
>> >> people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
>> >> are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.
>> >
>> >Then they can go late at night when there are fewer people.
>>
>> What an assinine statement.
>> Fitness centers are their busiest at night.
>
>Not late weeknights.
Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
weight 24/7.
>
>> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
>> or less.
>
>One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
>these days.
Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
per year at each.
>
>> >> >> Do you know the people that
>> >> >> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
>> >> >
>> >> >The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
>> >>
>> >> Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
>> >> was what I was talking about.
>> >
>> >You did not make it clear because the poorest in the United States do
>> >have access to such places.
>>
>> Try living in reality.
>
>In reality, there is a school with a track or baseball field nearby.
Pick up those two sand bags and try it for a few days. If you aren't
in the cardiac ward as a patient let us know how you feel and post
pictures that are day and time marked on your web page.
>
>> To quote Robin Williams, "Reality! What a concept!"
>
>That reminds me of the nearby concept malls too. All perfect venues
>for a regular exercise program. Mall walkers abound everywhere in the
>U.S.
Tell that to the people that have to use a walker and then the
electric wheel chairs once they get into the store or mall.
>
>> >> >> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
>> >> >> >exercise."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Few and far between.
>> >> >
>> >> >It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
>> >> >obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
>> >> >and exercise" are "few and far between."
>> >>
>> >> Exactly.
>> >>
>> >> >The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
>> >> >would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
>> >> >practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
>> >> >were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
>> >> >obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
>> >> >actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
>> >> >is exactly what is happening.
>> >>
>> >> I don't believe that for one second.
>> >
>> >Logically, it is undeniable.
>>
>> Logically it is a bald faced lie.
>
>You are untruthful.
YOU are the liar - not me.
>
>> >> About as long as I believe in
>> >> your phony two pound diet mantra.
>> >
>> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a mantra.
>>
>> What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?
>
>As if eating less were dangerous.
Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is probably very
dangerous.
>
>> >Instead of "eat right and exercise", the mantra should have been "eat
>> >less" from the outset.
>>
>> Which every one of them is. Duh.
>
>No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!
>
>>
>> >> >
>> >> >Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
>> >> >one for helping people lose weight.
>> >>
>> >> Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
>> >> people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
>> >> Simmons is a prime example.
>> >
>> >Richard Simmons clearly has eaten less.
>>
>> Exactly my point.
>
>Hardly.
>
>> He has eaten right and exercised.
>
>That is not the reason he has lost weight.
>
>> You can't be the stupid or dense.
>
>Correct.
If you are not that stupid or dense then you are simply baiting me.
>
>> <snip>
>> >> I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
>> >> you background and loss of hospital privileges.
>> >
>> >In truth, I have never lost hospital privileges.
>>
>> Oh really?
>
>Yes.
>
>> Where then did all those links that others have posted come
>> from?
>
>>From untruthful people.
>
>> >
>> >Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
>>
>> Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
>> links for years?
>
>Repeating the false witness of others is bearing false witness.
They appear to have very valid proof.
We you fired from a hospital where you practiced?
(If you were asked to leave it is the same thing.)
>
>Bottomline: You are untruthful.
Prove it.
If you believe that, why then do you continue to blather with me?
>
>Your bearing false witness is again forgiven as far as I am concerned.
One man's lie is another man's truth.
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>>
>> According to your religious beliefs; not mine.
>
>Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Yoo-hoo asshole! I don't care what you black book says, so quoting it
to me is a total waste of your time and of bandwidth.
>
>> >> >> If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
>> >> >
>> >> >There is only one GOD, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
>> >>
>> >> You very statement names three gods after claiming there is only one.
>> >
>> >GOD is an infinite Being with many names able to assume many forms and
>> >to be present at multiple places simultaneously.
>>
>> God is present in all things and all beings at all times.
>
>HE is not present in satan.
If God is omnipotent, and I believe SHE is, Satan cannot exist. Simple
fact.
>
>> >Most assuredly without doubt, GOD is omnipotent and omniscient.
>>
>> So, you are saying there is no such being as Satan
>
>No.
>
>> and God is
>> responsible for all things.
>
>HE is sovereign and at this moment HE is tolerating evil:
>
If God is omnipotent, and I believe SHE is, then God is responsible
for ALL things in the universe. There is no evil. Evil is and
invention of men.
>
>> >
>> >> You continuously talk out of both sides of you mouth and then blame
>> >> Jesus for it.
>> >
>> >It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
>>
>> Your truth; not mine.
>
>There is only one truth, and HE is absolute.
Exactly. UNCONDITIOINAL LOVE.
W.M.McKee
wrote:
>Let us make a bargain. You come up with a good reason for me to
>continue this discourse within the next 24 hours. If not, I may decide
>to reopen that little room called KILLFILE and put you in it; by
>yourself for now, but soon your sock puppets will follow.
>
Hi Chuck,
I know you are annoyed.... Nevertheless, if you are really interested
in knowledge, I would respectfully suggest that Dr. Chung does offer
some really good technical info, in his own way. It is just that he
mixes it with the religious stuff.
Shouting at him over cyberspace accomplishes nothing.... Just approach
it like a smorgasboard... Take the best, and leave the rest. He is
just doing his thing.....
I know, that sounds wierd, but think about it... resistance just
provokes response, and more resistance, and more response.... and so
on, etc.
Believe me, I know.... You have seen it on here.
Your friend,
Will, T2
GrandpaChuck
>On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:56:23 GMT, GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org>
>wrote:
>
>>Let us make a bargain. You come up with a good reason for me to
>>continue this discourse within the next 24 hours. If not, I may decide
>>to reopen that little room called KILLFILE and put you in it; by
>>yourself for now, but soon your sock puppets will follow.
>>
>
>Hi Chuck,
>
>I know you are annoyed....
You, my friend Will, are very mistaken. I am not annoyed at all.
> Nevertheless, if you are really interested
>in knowledge, I would respectfully suggest that Dr. Chung does offer
>some really good technical info, in his own way. It is just that he
>mixes it with the religious stuff.
I would not believe him if he were to say the sun rises in the east.
>
>Shouting at him over cyberspace accomplishes nothing.
I am not aware that I have shouted at all. The only words I have put
in all caps have been the common name for bovine feces and the name of
God. Hmm, interesting parallel, wouldn't you say? ;-)
>... Just approach
>it like a smorgasboard... Take the best, and leave the rest. He is
>just doing his thing.....
As am I.
>
>I know, that sounds wierd, but think about it... resistance just
>provokes response, and more resistance, and more response.... and so
>on, etc.
>
>Believe me, I know.... You have seen it on here.
Your advise is noted, oh most wise, but not needed at this time. Thank
you for the effort.
>
>Your friend,
>
>Will, T2
W.M.McKee
wrote:
>>... Just approach
>>it like a smorgasboard... Take the best, and leave the rest. He is
>>just doing his thing.....
>
>
>As am I.
>
>>
>>I know, that sounds wierd, but think about it... resistance just
>>provokes response, and more resistance, and more response.... and so
>>on, etc.
>>
>>Believe me, I know.... You have seen it on here.
>
>Your advise is noted, oh most wise, but not needed at this time. Thank
>you for the effort.
>
Okey dokey, Chuck
Enough said.
Hope you and Laurie have a truly fine late Summer weekend!
Will, T2
W.M.McKee
wrote:
>the name of
>God
One more thought,
Might I suggest that God, whoever it is, has no name? .... The word
God is just a term for an abstract concept, and unless we could refer
to it by such a noun, it would be impossible to even talk about it.
I would also offer that it is pointless to engage people in
adversarial debate and discussion upon "God issues". It is rather like
trying to catch a puff of wind in one's hand and throw it. People
believe what they *want* to believe.
Your friend,
Will, T2
GrandpaChuck
We plan to. Work to do around here and who knows what else. I just
know I will not venture anywhere near Iowa City tomorrow. The
University of Iowa is playing Iowa State University in Iowa City
tomorrow. They are going to start with traffic control a 5:00 a.m.
GrandpaChuck
You think?
You have figured out my game.
W.M.McKee
wrote:
>We plan to. Work to do around here and who knows what else. I just
>know I will not venture anywhere near Iowa City tomorrow. The
>University of Iowa is playing Iowa State University in Iowa City
>tomorrow. They are going to start with traffic control a 5:00 a.m.
Yikes...
I have lived on several college campuses, inclucing the Univ. of
Wisconsin, Mississippi State, and Virginia Tech. Football season is
horrific for the locals just trying to get to the grocery store on a
Saturday afternoon...
How come such a rivalry is being played so early in the season?
Will, T2
GrandpaChuck
They always play before the conference seasons. U of I is in the Big
Ten and ISU is in the Big Eight.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> According to your religious beliefs; not mine.
> >
> >Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> Yoo-hoo asshole!
Name-calling simply serves to show that you are lost.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Let us make a bargain. You come up with a good reason for me to
> continue this discourse within the next 24 hours. If not, I may decide
> to reopen that little room called KILLFILE and put you in it; by
> yourself for now, but soon your sock puppets will follow.
You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
> >> >> >> >gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Have you checked into the cost recently?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
> >> >>
> >> >> And for poor people without access to transportation.
> >> >
> >> >There is always walking, which would be what they are already doing.
> >>
> >> I don't know about the area of Atlanta where you live, but here every
> >> single fitness center is at least four to five miles from the part of
> >> the city where most of the people we are talking about live.
> >
> >Walking to a from the grocery store is exercise especially when
> >carrying groceries.
>
> The nearest grocery store to much of the poor area of town is two to
> three miles. Can't you just see a grossly obese person who can barely
> walk at all making that round trip of four to six miles and carrying
> groceries too?
Morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first place
because of significant risk of injury.
This fact automatically discredits the false weight loss mantra "eat
right and exercise."
> You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.
Sorry this discussion tires you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >> >> Many obese
> >> >> people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
> >> >> are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.
> >> >
> >> >Then they can go late at night when there are fewer people.
> >>
> >> What an assinine statement.
> >> Fitness centers are their busiest at night.
> >
> >Not late weeknights.
>
> Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
> Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
> from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
> even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
> People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
> weight 24/7.
Again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first
place because of significant risk of injury.
Again, this fact automatically discredits the false weight loss mantra
"eat right and exercise."
> >> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
> >> or less.
> >
> >One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
> >these days.
>
> Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
> information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
> per year at each.
There are the smaller independents who do not share information with
the larger chains.
> >> >> >> Do you know the people that
> >> >> >> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
> >> >> was what I was talking about.
> >> >
> >> >You did not make it clear because the poorest in the United States do
> >> >have access to such places.
> >>
> >> Try living in reality.
> >
> >In reality, there is a school with a track or baseball field nearby.
>
> Pick up those two sand bags and try it for a few days. If you aren't
> in the cardiac ward as a patient let us know how you feel and post
> pictures that are day and time marked on your web page.
Yet again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the
first place because of significant risk of injury.
Yet again, this fact automatically discredits the false weight loss
mantra "eat right and exercise."
> >> To quote Robin Williams, "Reality! What a concept!"
> >
> >That reminds me of the nearby concept malls too. All perfect venues
> >for a regular exercise program. Mall walkers abound everywhere in the
> >U.S.
>
> Tell that to the people that have to use a walker and then the
> electric wheel chairs once they get into the store or mall.
Instead, I would tell them that all they need to do to lose weight is
to eat less rather than feel doomed because of their inability to
exercise.
> >> >> >> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
> >> >> >> >exercise."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Few and far between.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
> >> >> >obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
> >> >> >and exercise" are "few and far between."
> >> >>
> >> >> Exactly.
> >> >>
> >> >> >The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
> >> >> >would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
> >> >> >practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
> >> >> >were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
> >> >> >obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
> >> >> >actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
> >> >> >is exactly what is happening.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't believe that for one second.
> >> >
> >> >Logically, it is undeniable.
> >>
> >> Logically it is a bald faced lie.
> >
> >You are untruthful.
>
> YOU are the liar - not me.
Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
> >> >> About as long as I believe in
> >> >> your phony two pound diet mantra.
> >> >
> >> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a mantra.
> >>
> >> What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?
> >
> >As if eating less were dangerous.
>
> Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is probably very
> dangerous.
Your hedging with "probably" reveals what is in your heart.
> >> >Instead of "eat right and exercise", the mantra should have been "eat
> >> >less" from the outset.
> >>
> >> Which every one of them is. Duh.
> >
> >No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
>
> No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!
Actually, "eating less" is not part of "eat right and exercise",
because "what you eat" is not the same as "how much you eat."
However, people have been brainwashed into thinking they are the same.
Proof:
Simply ask someone "How much did you eat yesterday?" and witness how
this someone will typically answer with much detail about what they ate
yesterday but NOT how much unless they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
> >> >> >one for helping people lose weight.
> >> >>
> >> >> Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
> >> >> people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
> >> >> Simmons is a prime example.
> >> >
> >> >Richard Simmons clearly has eaten less.
> >>
> >> Exactly my point.
> >
> >Hardly.
> >
> >> He has eaten right and exercised.
> >
> >That is not the reason he has lost weight.
> >
> >> You can't be the stupid or dense.
> >
> >Correct.
>
> If you are not that stupid or dense then you are simply baiting me.
Neither.
It remains simply my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >
> >> <snip>
> >> >> I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
> >> >> you background and loss of hospital privileges.
> >> >
> >> >In truth, I have never lost hospital privileges.
> >>
> >> Oh really?
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >> Where then did all those links that others have posted come
> >> from?
> >
> >>From untruthful people.
> >
> >> >
> >> >Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
> >>
> >> Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
> >> links for years?
> >
> >Repeating the false witness of others is bearing false witness.
>
> They appear to have very valid proof.
Their appearances are a deception.
> We you fired from a hospital where you practiced?
In truth, I have never been employed by a hospital.
> (If you were asked to leave it is the same thing.)
(correct).
> >
> >Bottomline: You are untruthful.
>
> Prove it.
See above.
> If you believe that, why then do you continue to blather with me?
Because though you are untruthful, I have not judged you to be a liar.
> >
> >Your bearing false witness is again forgiven as far as I am concerned.
>
> One man's lie is another man's truth.
Actually, truth is absolute.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love uncondtionally.
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
>please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
given by god?
<snip>
>
>> You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.
>
>Sorry this discussion tires you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
So you do not deny purposely being obtuse?
>>
>> Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
>> Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
>> from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
>> even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
>> People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
>> weight 24/7.
>
>Again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first
>place because of significant risk of injury.
So you want to force them into the hospital until they are able to
exercise, or do you just want to throw them out with the trash and
allow them to die?
>> >> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
>> >> or less.
>> >
>> >One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
>> >these days.
>>
>> Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
>> information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
>> per year at each.
>
>There are the smaller independents who do not share information with
>the larger chains.
Not here.
>> >> Logically it is a bald faced lie.
>> >
>> >You are untruthful.
>>
>> YOU are the liar - not me.
>
>Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
Name-calling? I merely stated a truth. That being the you lie and thus
are a liar.
>> >> What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?
>> >
>> >As if eating less were dangerous.
>>
>> Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is probably very
>> dangerous.
>
>Your hedging with "probably" reveals what is in your heart.
Okay. I will change it. Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is
very dangerous.
>> >No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
>>
>> No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!
>
>Actually, "eating less" is not part of "eat right and exercise",
>because "what you eat" is not the same as "how much you eat."
You haven't listened to doctors who recommend this approach, have you?
>> >> Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
>> >> links for years?
>> >
>> >Repeating the false witness of others is bearing false witness.
>>
>> They appear to have very valid proof.
>
>Their appearances are a deception.
Are they?
>> One man's lie is another man's truth.
>
>Actually, truth is absolute.
Not always.
>
>"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
Jesus wasn't a Lord. He was a peasant.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 15, 2006 is 2,682. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/16/2006 it’s 1237 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>> >> According to your religious beliefs; not mine.
>> >
>> >Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>>
>> Yoo-hoo asshole!
>
>Name-calling simply serves to show that you are lost.
Lost because I calls 'em as I sees 'em?
Nope. You are an asshole. In other words a place that shit come out
of.
Now take your meds and go to bed.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 15, 2006 is 2,682. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/16/2006 it’s 1237 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
>
> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
> given by god?
Because HE is the truth.
> <snip>
> >
> >> You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.
> >
> >Sorry this discussion tires you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> So you do not deny purposely being obtuse?
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >>
> >> Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
> >> Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
> >> from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
> >> even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
> >> People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
> >> weight 24/7.
> >
> >Again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first
> >place because of significant risk of injury.
>
> So you want to force them into the hospital until they are able to
> exercise, or do you just want to throw them out with the trash and
> allow them to die?
Neither.
If they choose to have their doctor(s) supervise their use of the
2PD-OMER Approach, in time they will most certainly without a doubt be
cured of their obesity.
> >> >> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
> >> >> or less.
> >> >
> >> >One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
> >> >these days.
> >>
> >> Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
> >> information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
> >> per year at each.
> >
> >There are the smaller independents who do not share information with
> >the larger chains.
>
> Not here.
Then there is not the demand perhaps because your community is using
the 2PD-OMER Approach to eat less to lose weight rather than buy into
the false promise of exercise for weight loss.
> >> >> Logically it is a bald faced lie.
> >> >
> >> >You are untruthful.
> >>
> >> YOU are the liar - not me.
> >
> >Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
>
> Name-calling?
Yes.
> I merely stated a truth. That being the you lie and thus
> are a liar.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
One of us is untruthful.
Even the undiscerning can grope this one out with logic.
> >> >> What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?
> >> >
> >> >As if eating less were dangerous.
> >>
> >> Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is probably very
> >> dangerous.
> >
> >Your hedging with "probably" reveals what is in your heart.
>
> Okay. I will change it. Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is
> very dangerous.
Bottomline: You remain consistently untruthful.
We have more than 625,500 people whose > 5 yr experiences with the
2PD-OMER Approach prove that eating less down to the optimal amount is
not dangerous.
Indeed, writing firsthand as someone who has been using the 2PD-OMER
Approach for 9 years, it is the safest method of lasting weight loss on
the planet.
> >> >No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
> >>
> >> No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!
> >
> >Actually, "eating less" is not part of "eat right and exercise",
> >because "what you eat" is not the same as "how much you eat."
> >
> > However, people have been brainwashed into thinking they are the same.
> >
> > Proof:
> >
> > Simply ask someone "How much did you eat yesterday?" and witness how
> > this someone will typically answer with much detail about what they ate
> > yesterday but NOT how much unless they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
>
> You haven't listened to doctors who recommend this approach, have you?
Your question is incoherent.
> >> >> Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
> >> >> links for years?
> >> >
> >> >Repeating the false witness of others is bearing false witness.
> >>
> >> They appear to have very valid proof.
> >
> >Their appearances are a deception.
>
> Are they?
Yes.
>
> >> One man's lie is another man's truth.
> >
> >Actually, truth is absolute.
>
> Not always.
Always.
> >
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> Jesus wasn't a Lord. He was a peasant.
HE is LORD.
HE is GOD.
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
Christ Jesus
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Jeff
"W.M.McKee" <wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:h2jmg2l82l4t48srf...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:56:23 GMT, GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org>
> wrote:
>
>>Let us make a bargain. You come up with a good reason for me to
>>continue this discourse within the next 24 hours. If not, I may decide
>>to reopen that little room called KILLFILE and put you in it; by
>>yourself for now, but soon your sock puppets will follow.
>>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I know you are annoyed.... Nevertheless, if you are really interested
> in knowledge, I would respectfully suggest that Dr. Chung does offer
> some really good technical info, in his own way. It is just that he
> mixes it with the religious stuff.
I tend to disagree. It seems to me that he has a fixed opinion on the
technical stuff. And is not willing to change the opinion, based on
evidence.
Jeff
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
>> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
>>
>> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
>> given by god?
>
>Because HE is the truth.
When did She/He/It tell you this?
>
>> <snip>
>> >
>> >> You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.
>> >
>> >Sorry this discussion tires you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>>
>> So you do not deny purposely being obtuse?
>
>Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
By you using the Bible rather than your own mind your opinions are
without merit and useless.
>
>> >>
>> >> Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
>> >> Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
>> >> from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
>> >> even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
>> >> People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
>> >> weight 24/7.
>> >
>> >Again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first
>> >place because of significant risk of injury.
>>
>> So you want to force them into the hospital until they are able to
>> exercise, or do you just want to throw them out with the trash and
>> allow them to die?
>
>Neither.
You certainly did not propose any workable solution for them.
>
>If they choose to have their doctor(s) supervise their use of the
>2PD-OMER Approach, in time they will most certainly without a doubt be
>cured of their obesity.
No caring physician would even consider such a dangerous meal plan.
>
>> >> >> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
>> >> >> or less.
>> >> >
>> >> >One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
>> >> >these days.
>> >>
>> >> Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
>> >> information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
>> >> per year at each.
>> >
>> >There are the smaller independents who do not share information with
>> >the larger chains.
>>
>> Not here.
>
>Then there is not the demand perhaps because your community is using
>the 2PD-OMER Approach to eat less to lose weight rather than buy into
>the false promise of exercise for weight loss.
I have never met anyone who has heard of your idiotic plan.
>
>> I merely stated a truth. That being the you lie and thus
>> are a liar.
>
>It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
>
>One of us is untruthful.
How can you be sure? You can't.
>
>Even the undiscerning can grope this one out with logic.
It is far more logical to realize what is truth to one person is
falsehood to another and that both are valid to that person.
>
>We have more than 625,500 people whose > 5 yr experiences with the
>2PD-OMER Approach prove that eating less down to the optimal amount is
>not dangerous.
If that were true we would have seen you on The Today Show, Oprah
Winfrey, Dateline and every other news and talk show.
>
>Indeed, writing firsthand as someone who has been using the 2PD-OMER
>Approach for 9 years, it is the safest method of lasting weight loss on
>the planet.
You will excuse me if I do not believe you one iota.
>
>> >> >No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
>> >>
>> >> No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!
>> >
>> >Actually, "eating less" is not part of "eat right and exercise",
>> >because "what you eat" is not the same as "how much you eat."
>> >
>> > However, people have been brainwashed into thinking they are the same.
>> >
>> > Proof:
>> >
>> > Simply ask someone "How much did you eat yesterday?" and witness how
>> > this someone will typically answer with much detail about what they ate
>> > yesterday but NOT how much unless they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
>>
>> You haven't listened to doctors who recommend this approach, have you?
>
>Your question is incoherent.
No it is perfectly clear.
>
>>
>> >> One man's lie is another man's truth.
>> >
>> >Actually, truth is absolute.
>>
>> Not always.
>
>Always.
>
>> >
>> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
>>
>> Jesus wasn't a Lord. He was a peasant.
>
>HE is LORD.
>
>HE is GOD.
Not to we non-Christians, so don't pretend he is.
>
>"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
>Christ Jesus
And Alice's house landed on the wicked witch.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
> >> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
> >>
> >> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
> >> given by god?
> >
> >Because HE is the truth.
>
> When did She/He/It tell you this?
In the Holy Spirit, after placing my faith in Christ Jesus as my LORD
and Savior, the following was witnessed firsthand:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >> <snip>
> >> >
> >> >> You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.
> >> >
> >> >Sorry this discussion tires you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >> So you do not deny purposely being obtuse?
> >
> >Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> By you using the Bible rather than your own mind your opinions are
> without merit and useless.
Not to the discerning.
> >> >>
> >> >> Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
> >> >> Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
> >> >> from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
> >> >> even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
> >> >> People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
> >> >> weight 24/7.
> >> >
> >> >Again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first
> >> >place because of significant risk of injury.
> >>
> >> So you want to force them into the hospital until they are able to
> >> exercise, or do you just want to throw them out with the trash and
> >> allow them to die?
> >
> >Neither.
>
> You certainly did not propose any workable solution for them.
Anyone can eat less.
> >If they choose to have their doctor(s) supervise their use of the
> >2PD-OMER Approach, in time they will most certainly without a doubt be
> >cured of their obesity.
>
> No caring physician would even consider such a dangerous meal plan.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a meal plan.
> >> >> >> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
> >> >> >> or less.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
> >> >> >these days.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
> >> >> information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
> >> >> per year at each.
> >> >
> >> >There are the smaller independents who do not share information with
> >> >the larger chains.
> >>
> >> Not here.
> >
> >Then there is not the demand perhaps because your community is using
> >the 2PD-OMER Approach to eat less to lose weight rather than buy into
> >the false promise of exercise for weight loss.
>
> I have never met anyone who has heard of your idiotic plan.
That is not what I discern.
> >> I merely stated a truth. That being the you lie and thus
> >> are a liar.
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >
> >One of us is untruthful.
>
> How can you be sure? You can't.
Such is the utility of a discerning heart.
> >Even the undiscerning can grope this one out with logic.
>
> It is far more logical to realize what is truth to one person is
> falsehood to another and that both are valid to that person.
"Validity does not replace veracity. Veracity does replace validity."
-- Holy Spirit.
> >We have more than 625,500 people whose > 5 yr experiences with the
> >2PD-OMER Approach prove that eating less down to the optimal amount is
> >not dangerous.
>
> If that were true we would have seen you on The Today Show, Oprah
> Winfrey, Dateline and every other news and talk show.
They know about the 2PD-OMER Approach. It seems they fear my walk with
Christ Jesus because they know my walk is an open one with HIM. When
was the last time an openly Christian person has been featured on one
of these shows?
Fwiw, the networks hold the opinion that an openly Christian person is
a "radical" ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43e932f3b88df7b5?
You will not hear anything about the 2PD-OMER Approach on network
television until GOD wills it, if HE ever does.
HIS will be done and not mine.
> >Indeed, writing firsthand as someone who has been using the 2PD-OMER
> >Approach for 9 years, it is the safest method of lasting weight loss on
> >the planet.
>
> You will excuse me if I do not believe you one iota.
That is your choice. Again, you have the free will that GOD has
generously given you.
> >
> >> >> >No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
> >> >>
> >> >> No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!
> >> >
> >> >Actually, "eating less" is not part of "eat right and exercise",
> >> >because "what you eat" is not the same as "how much you eat."
> >> >
> >> > However, people have been brainwashed into thinking they are the same.
> >> >
> >> > Proof:
> >> >
> >> > Simply ask someone "How much did you eat yesterday?" and witness how
> >> > this someone will typically answer with much detail about what they ate
> >> > yesterday but NOT how much unless they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> >>
> >> You haven't listened to doctors who recommend this approach, have you?
> >
> >Your question is incoherent.
>
> No it is perfectly clear.
When my physician colleagues speak to me, I listen.
When my patients speak to me, I also listen.
Whether I listen is not contingent on either the topic being about the
2PD-OMER Approach or the identity of the speaker.
Your question remains incoherent.
> >> >> One man's lie is another man's truth.
> >> >
> >> >Actually, truth is absolute.
> >>
> >> Not always.
> >
> >Always.
> >
> >> >
> >> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> >>
> >> Jesus wasn't a Lord. He was a peasant.
> >
> >HE is LORD.
> >
> >HE is GOD.
>
> Not to we non-Christians, so don't pretend he is.
Most assuredly without doubt, I know HE is "KING of kings and LORD of
lords."
> >
> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
> >Christ Jesus
>
> And Alice's house landed on the wicked witch.
It would be your choice to place your faith in fiction and my choice to
place my faith in the truth.
May GOD continue to keep heal your heart by healing your diabetes, dear
GrandpaChuck
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
>> >> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
>> >>
>> >> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
>> >> given by god?
>> >
>> >Because HE is the truth.
>>
>> When did She/He/It tell you this?
>
>In the Holy Spirit, after placing my faith in Christ Jesus as my LORD
>and Savior, the following was witnessed firsthand:
>
>"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
I don't want to know what your Bible tells you; I want to know when
God told you in person this is true.
The Bible was written and revised by men - no women allowed - who had
an agenda. It most certainly was not written by God. God don't own no
printing presses.
>> No caring physician would even consider such a dangerous meal plan.
>
>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a meal plan.
I don't care what you call it, it is a diet, aka meal plan.
>> I have never met anyone who has heard of your idiotic plan.
>
>That is not what I discern.
Well of course not since it is your plan and you have attempted to
spread it with no regard to its dangerous nature.
>
>You will not hear anything about the 2PD-OMER Approach on network
>television until GOD wills it, if HE ever does.
>
>HIS will be done and not mine.
You are one sick person who is to be pitied.
>That is your choice. Again, you have the free will that GOD has
>generously given you.
God didn't give it to me; my mama did.
>>
>> Not to we non-Christians, so don't pretend he is.
>
>Most assuredly without doubt, I know HE is "KING of kings and LORD of
>lords."
But not to non-Christians. You can't be that dense.
>
>> >
>> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
>> >Christ Jesus
>>
>> And Alice's house landed on the wicked witch.
>
>It would be your choice to place your faith in fiction and my choice to
>place my faith in the truth.
What truth?
Where did you find this "truth" of yours?
>
>May GOD continue to keep heal your heart by healing your diabetes, dear
>neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
>
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
What? Can't you pray for yourself? Must you invoke someone else's name
to make it valid? That is just plain sick!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
> >> >> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
> >> >>
> >> >> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
> >> >> given by god?
> >> >
> >> >Because HE is the truth.
> >>
> >> When did She/He/It tell you this?
> >
> >In the Holy Spirit, after placing my faith in Christ Jesus as my LORD
> >and Savior, the following was witnessed firsthand:
> >
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> I don't want to know what your Bible tells you;
The Bible does not speak.
> I want to know when
> God told you in person this is true.
Ever since I place my faith in LORD Jesus Christ in 1977.
> The Bible was written and revised by men - no women allowed - who had
> an agenda. It most certainly was not written by God. God don't own no
> printing presses.
The Bible is GOD-breathed.
> >> No caring physician would even consider such a dangerous meal plan.
> >
> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a meal plan.
>
> I don't care what you call it, it is a diet, aka meal plan.
In truth, it is not. No instructions on **what** to eat is given with
the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> >> I have never met anyone who has heard of your idiotic plan.
> >
> >That is not what I discern.
>
> Well of course not since it is your plan and you have attempted to
> spread it with no regard to its dangerous nature.
No one has ever been harmed by their using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
Indeed, many have been cured of their metabolic syndrome and type-2
diabetes so that there has been only benefit without any risk of
injury.
> >You will not hear anything about the 2PD-OMER Approach on network
> >television until GOD wills it, if HE ever does.
> >
> >HIS will be done and not mine.
>
> You are one sick person who is to be pitied.
In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE continues to keep me
completely well.
> >That is your choice. Again, you have the free will that GOD has
> >generously given you.
>
> God didn't give it to me; my mama did.
In truth, your mother did not give you your free will. Nor could she
have taken GOD's gift away from you.
> >> Not to we non-Christians, so don't pretend he is.
> >
> >Most assuredly without doubt, I know HE is "KING of kings and LORD of
> >lords."
>
> But not to non-Christians. You can't be that dense.
On the LORD's Day of Judgment, every head will bow and every knee will
bend to acknowledge that HE is "KING of kings and LORD of lords."
> >> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
> >> >Christ Jesus
> >>
> >> And Alice's house landed on the wicked witch.
> >
> >It would be your choice to place your faith in fiction and my choice to
> >place my faith in the truth.
>
> What truth?
Your question reminds me of Governor Pontius Pilate asking the same.
The Governor was just as lost.
> Where did you find this "truth" of yours?
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >May GOD continue to keep heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> >neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
> >
> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> What?
Yes.
> Can't you pray for yourself?
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus and not
leave HIS side.
> Must you invoke someone else's name
> to make it valid?
It remains my choice to pray in HIS name.
> That is just plain sick!
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
>> >> >> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
>> >> >> given by god?
>> >> >
>> >> >Because HE is the truth.
>> >>
>> >> When did She/He/It tell you this?
>> >
>> >In the Holy Spirit, after placing my faith in Christ Jesus as my LORD
>> >and Savior, the following was witnessed firsthand:
>> >
>> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>>
>> I don't want to know what your Bible tells you;
>
>The Bible does not speak.
Thank god, as Christian who admits that.
>
>> I want to know when
>> God told you in person this is true.
>
>Ever since I place my faith in LORD Jesus Christ in 1977.
And did God - not Jesus - come to you in a vision and tell you this?
>
>> The Bible was written and revised by men - no women allowed - who had
>> an agenda. It most certainly was not written by God. God don't own no
>> printing presses.
>
>The Bible is GOD-breathed.
What the heck does that mean?
>
>> >> No caring physician would even consider such a dangerous meal plan.
>> >
>> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a meal plan.
>>
>> I don't care what you call it, it is a diet, aka meal plan.
>
>In truth, it is not. No instructions on **what** to eat is given with
>the 2PD-OMER Approach.
Do you not tell people to limit their intake to two pounds per day?
>
>> >> I have never met anyone who has heard of your idiotic plan.
>> >
>> >That is not what I discern.
>>
>> Well of course not since it is your plan and you have attempted to
>> spread it with no regard to its dangerous nature.
>
>No one has ever been harmed by their using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
Probably because very few people have done it and of those that have
almost none have stuck to it for more than a short time.
>
>Indeed, many have been cured of their metabolic syndrome and type-2
>diabetes so that there has been only benefit without any risk of
>injury.
That is just plain lying by someone who claims to be a physician and
is probably malpractice of the worst kind.
>> >That is your choice. Again, you have the free will that GOD has
>> >generously given you.
>>
>> God didn't give it to me; my mama did.
>
>In truth, your mother did not give you your free will. Nor could she
>have taken GOD's gift away from you.
My mom taught me to talk and read and find things for myself. God had
nothing to do with it.
>
>> >> Not to we non-Christians, so don't pretend he is.
>> >
>> >Most assuredly without doubt, I know HE is "KING of kings and LORD of
>> >lords."
>>
>> But not to non-Christians. You can't be that dense.
>
>On the LORD's Day of Judgment, every head will bow and every knee will
>bend to acknowledge that HE is "KING of kings and LORD of lords."
There will be no "LORD'S Day of Judgement" since god is UNCONDITIONAL
LOVE and would never set in judgement of any of us.
>
>> Where did you find this "truth" of yours?
>
>"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Alright, so where did you find it?
>> Can't you pray for yourself?
>
>It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus and not
>leave HIS side.
Good for you.
God walks with me and everyone that I know regardless of their
religion if they even have one. I do not need some one between me and
Her/Him/It.
>
>> Must you invoke someone else's name
>> to make it valid?
>
>It remains my choice to pray in HIS name.
>
>> That is just plain sick!
>
>Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
There you go quoting that book that you claim does not speak again.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 15, 2006 is 2,683. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/17/2006 it’s 1238 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>blablabla 2PD-OMER blablabla
Dear Mr. Chung,
Thank you for your interest in becoming an official Troll
for the alt.support.diabetes newsgroup. While your credentials
are most impressive and the examples of your work
(which we thank you for providing) do display considerable
effort on your part, we are sorry to inform you that we are
seeking a candidate with a different skill-set for the position
of Newsgroup Troll.
We will keep your on-line application on file for consideration
of any future openings. We will contact you if there are any
future openings for which we deem you suitable.
Thank you for your interest in alt.support.diabetes.
Sincerely
The alt.support.diabetes Human Resources Department.
cc:file
--
The Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottomline: I remain peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better,dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally.
Greatfully, in Lizard-Spit's amazing love,
Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Gene Goldman
T2
Metformin, Actos, Lizard Spit
Consuming copious amounts of Aspertame-laden soft drinks with reckless abandon!
Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
> >> >> >> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
> >> >> >> given by god?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Because HE is the truth.
> >> >>
> >> >> When did She/He/It tell you this?
> >> >
> >> >In the Holy Spirit, after placing my faith in Christ Jesus as my LORD
> >> >and Savior, the following was witnessed firsthand:
> >> >
> >> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >>
> >> I don't want to know what your Bible tells you;
> >
> >The Bible does not speak.
>
> Thank god, as Christian who admits that.
It is the truth Who speaks.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
HE is the living Word of GOD.
Through HIM all things have been created.
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
> >> I want to know when
> >> God told you in person this is true.
> >
> >Ever since I place my faith in LORD Jesus Christ in 1977.
>
> And did God - not Jesus - come to you in a vision and tell you this?
All knowledge and wisdom comes from the LORD.
> >> The Bible was written and revised by men - no women allowed - who had
> >> an agenda. It most certainly was not written by God. God don't own no
> >> printing presses.
> >
> >The Bible is GOD-breathed.
>
> What the heck does that mean?
It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
> >> >> No caring physician would even consider such a dangerous meal plan.
> >> >
> >> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a meal plan.
> >>
> >> I don't care what you call it, it is a diet, aka meal plan.
> >
> >In truth, it is not. No instructions on **what** to eat is given with
> >the 2PD-OMER Approach.
>
> Do you not tell people to limit their intake to two pounds per day?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is written plainly.
Diets and meal plans instruct people on **what** to eat.
Again, the 2PD-OMER Approach does not do this.
Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
diet.
Indeed, the fact it can be dovetailed with either Ornish or Atkins (two
diametrically opposite diets) is proof that the 2PD-OMER Approach is
not a diet.
> >> >> I have never met anyone who has heard of your idiotic plan.
> >> >
> >> >That is not what I discern.
> >>
> >> Well of course not since it is your plan and you have attempted to
> >> spread it with no regard to its dangerous nature.
> >
> >No one has ever been harmed by their using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
>
> Probably because very few people have done it and of those that have
> almost none have stuck to it for more than a short time.
Actually, there have been more than 625,550 people with more than 5
years experience using the 2PD-OMER Approach to achieve sustained
weight loss.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp
> >Indeed, many have been cured of their metabolic syndrome and type-2
> >diabetes so that there has been only benefit without any risk of
> >injury.
>
> That is just plain lying by someone who claims to be a physician and
> is probably malpractice of the worst kind.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
In time, ASD's own Chris Malcolm will be among those who have been
cured by GOD through using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> >> >That is your choice. Again, you have the free will that GOD has
> >> >generously given you.
> >>
> >> God didn't give it to me; my mama did.
> >
> >In truth, your mother did not give you your free will. Nor could she
> >have taken GOD's gift away from you.
>
> My mom taught me to talk and read and find things for myself. God had
> nothing to do with it.
GOD picked out your mom for you.
> >> >> Not to we non-Christians, so don't pretend he is.
> >> >
> >> >Most assuredly without doubt, I know HE is "KING of kings and LORD of
> >> >lords."
> >>
> >> But not to non-Christians. You can't be that dense.
> >
> >On the LORD's Day of Judgment, every head will bow and every knee will
> >bend to acknowledge that HE is "KING of kings and LORD of lords."
>
> There will be no "LORD'S Day of Judgement" since god is UNCONDITIONAL
> LOVE and would never set in judgement of any of us.
John 3:16
GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
> >> Where did you find this "truth" of yours?
> >
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Alright, so where did you find it?
http://HeartMDPhD.com/healer.asp
> >> Can't you pray for yourself?
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus and not
> >leave HIS side.
>
> Good for you.
> God walks with me and everyone that I know regardless of their
> religion if they even have one. I do not need some one between me and
> Her/Him/It.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dad0ac3a8863795b?
> >> Must you invoke someone else's name
> >> to make it valid?
> >
> >It remains my choice to pray in HIS name.
> >
> >> That is just plain sick!
> >
> >Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> There you go quoting that book that you claim does not speak again.
The above is an understanding and not a quote.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
P.S. Cross-posted to AUK, sister newsgroup to ASD per Vicki B:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/93f11c183e291abe?
GrandpaChuck
cross-posting all the time? I seldom do it so far as I know and yet my
ISP threatened to shut down my account because of it.
On 18 Sep 2006 01:23:10 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >The Bible is GOD-breathed.
>>
>> What the heck does that mean?
>
>It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
Many, many books have been written due to the influence of God, Holy
Spirit, or whatever people chose to call it that inspired those books.
The point is, God did not write any of them. To claim otherwise is the
worse kind of blasphemy.
>Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
>diet.
Pure twisting of words. It is clearly a diet regardless of what you
choose to call it.
>
>Actually, there have been more than 625,550 people with more than 5
>years experience using the 2PD-OMER Approach to achieve sustained
>weight loss.
If that were true it would have been all over the news. Me thinks you
bear false witness.
>
>In time, ASD's own Chris Malcolm will be among those who have been
>cured by GOD through using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
That too would have been all over the news.
>> My mom taught me to talk and read and find things for myself. God had
>> nothing to do with it.
>
>GOD picked out your mom for you.
ROFLMAO!
My dad picked my mom.
>
>GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
That sentence makes no sense, but then many things you say are
senseless.
See how much this was shortened by me simply snipping a lot of garbage
from your post?
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 16, 2006 is 2,684. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/18/2006 it’s 1239 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Are you aware of what kind of trouble you can get in with your ISP for
> cross-posting all the time? I seldom do it so far as I know and yet my
> ISP threatened to shut down my account because of it.
In the Holy Spirit, I do not fear anything that is of this world.
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >The Bible is GOD-breathed.
> >>
> >> What the heck does that mean?
> >
> >It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
>
> Many, many books have been written due to the influence of God, Holy
> Spirit, or whatever people chose to call it that inspired those books.
> The point is, God did not write any of them. To claim otherwise is the
> worse kind of blasphemy.
The Bible remains holy.
<snip occurred>
> >Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
> >diet.
>
> Pure twisting of words.
Incorrect.
> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you
> choose to call it.
In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >Actually, there have been more than 625,550 people with more than 5
> >years experience using the 2PD-OMER Approach to achieve sustained
> >weight loss.
>
> If that were true it would have been all over the news. Me thinks you
> bear false witness.
Without the LORD, your thoughts are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >In time, ASD's own Chris Malcolm will be among those who have been
> >cured by GOD through using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
>
> That too would have been all over the news.
It will happen. He already is essentially euglycemic without
medications.
> >> My mom taught me to talk and read and find things for myself. God had
> >> nothing to do with it.
> >
> >GOD picked out your mom for you.
>
> ROFLMAO!
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
> My dad picked my mom.
GOD picked out your dad for you too.
<snip occurred>
> >GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
>
> That sentence makes no sense, but then many things you say are
> senseless.
Sorry for the typo... c/that/than Please forgive all my iniquities.
It should have read:
GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
John 3:16
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
>>
>> Many, many books have been written due to the influence of God, Holy
>> Spirit, or whatever people chose to call it that inspired those books.
>> The point is, God did not write any of them. To claim otherwise is the
>> worse kind of blasphemy.
>
>The Bible remains holy.
No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
believing they were following directions from god of their
understanding.
>
><snip occurred>
>
>> >Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
>> >diet.
>>
>> Pure twisting of words.
>
>Incorrect.
>
>> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you
>> choose to call it.
>
>In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is
a diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
>
>> >GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
>>
>> That sentence makes no sense, but then many things you say are
>> senseless.
>
>Sorry for the typo... c/that/than Please forgive all my iniquities.
There is nothing to forgive.
>
>It should have read:
>
>GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
Don't bother to post links to me. I don't have the time or inclination
to look at them.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
> >>
> >> Many, many books have been written due to the influence of God, Holy
> >> Spirit, or whatever people chose to call it that inspired those books.
> >> The point is, God did not write any of them. To claim otherwise is the
> >> worse kind of blasphemy.
> >
> >The Bible remains holy.
>
> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
> believing they were following directions from god of their
> understanding.
Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
> ><snip occurred>
> >
> >> >Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
> >> >diet.
> >>
> >> Pure twisting of words.
> >
> >Incorrect.
> >
> >> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you
> >> choose to call it.
> >
> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>
> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is
> a diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
Incorrect.
Noone would believes that a fast (restricting food intake to zero
amount) a diet.
Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
portion size) a diet.
Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >> >GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
> >>
> >> That sentence makes no sense, but then many things you say are
> >> senseless.
> >
> >Sorry for the typo... c/that/than Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> There is nothing to forgive.
There was my typing error which led you to be confused.
> >It should have read:
> >
> > GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
> >
> > John 3:16
>
> Don't bother to post links to me. I don't have the time or inclination
> to look at them.
That would be your choice to not look at the wheel that I choose not to
reinvent. Others following this thread may choose differently. Such is
our respective free wills that GOD has generously gifted all souls
including those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
TransWench
alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.christnet.evangelical, and
alt.usenet.kooks, when The Goddess Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD:
>> >> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you choose to call it.
>> >
>> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>>
>> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is a
>> diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
>
> Incorrect.
No, it's correct.
> Noone would believes that a fast (restricting food intake to zero amount)
> a diet.
Ever heard of "crash" diets? They're fraudulent, in terms of what is
claimed about them, but they do involve fasting.
> Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
> portion size) a diet.
ROMFFLMMFAOUIPMMFP!!!! "No one" herein defined as "everyone who is
Andrew B. Chung, quack, fraud, and k0oK".
> Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
No, therefore, Andrew B. Chung is full of shit, as per usual. ASD
snecked from followups.
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GrandpaChuck
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>>
>> >> >It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
>> >>
>> >> Many, many books have been written due to the influence of God, Holy
>> >> Spirit, or whatever people chose to call it that inspired those books.
>> >> The point is, God did not write any of them. To claim otherwise is the
>> >> worse kind of blasphemy.
>> >
>> >The Bible remains holy.
>>
>> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
>> believing they were following directions from god of their
>> understanding.
>
>Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
What do you mean by god-breathed.
I don't understand the term at all.
>
>> ><snip occurred>
>> >
>> >> >Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
>> >> >diet.
>> >>
>> >> Pure twisting of words.
>> >
>> >Incorrect.
>> >
>> >> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you
>> >> choose to call it.
>> >
>> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>>
>> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is
>> a diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
>
>Incorrect.
>
>Noone would believes that a fast (restricting food intake to zero
>amount) a diet.
If the person is consuming nourishing food or drink then it is
definitely a diet.
>
>Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
>portion size) a diet.
Everyone who does it considers it their diet.
>
>Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
Trying to tell you something is like trying to explain color to a
person who has always been blind.
>
>> >> >GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
>> >>
>> >> That sentence makes no sense, but then many things you say are
>> >> senseless.
>> >
>> >Sorry for the typo... c/that/than Please forgive all my iniquities.
>>
>> There is nothing to forgive.
>
>There was my typing error which led you to be confused.
And I did not need to have you ask for forgiveness.
With God's Unconditional Love there is no such thing as sin.
>
>> >It should have read:
I don't click on links in a discussion like this. They are a huge
waste of time.
>> >
>> > GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
>> >
>> > John 3:16
>>
>> Don't bother to post links to me. I don't have the time or inclination
>> to look at them.
>
>That would be your choice to not look at the wheel that I choose not to
>reinvent. Others following this thread may choose differently. Such is
>our respective free wills that GOD has generously gifted all souls
>including those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
There you go, quoting the damned bible again even though I have told
you I don't own one and don't want one and don't believe in it at all.
>
>May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
>neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
May your drugs cure your psychosis.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many, many books have been written due to the influence of God, Holy
> >> >> Spirit, or whatever people chose to call it that inspired those books.
> >> >> The point is, God did not write any of them. To claim otherwise is the
> >> >> worse kind of blasphemy.
> >> >
> >> >The Bible remains holy.
> >>
> >> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
> >> believing they were following directions from god of their
> >> understanding.
> >
> >Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
>
> What do you mean by god-breathed.
> I don't understand the term at all.
What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
plainer.
> >> ><snip occurred>
> >> >
> >> >> >Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
> >> >> >diet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Pure twisting of words.
> >> >
> >> >Incorrect.
> >> >
> >> >> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you
> >> >> choose to call it.
> >> >
> >> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >>
> >> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is
> >> a diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
> >
> >Incorrect.
> >
> >Noone would believe that a fast (restricting food intake to zero
> >amount) is a diet.
>
> If the person is consuming nourishing food or drink then it is
> definitely a diet.
You just contradicted what you had written 7-8 lines earlier.
> >Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
> >portion size) a diet.
>
> Everyone who does it considers it their diet.
Actually, most folks describe it as their WOE.
> >
> >Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>
> Trying to tell you something is like trying to explain color to a
> person who has always been blind.
You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision by pretending to
describe colors to the seeing.
When someone says they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach to permanently
lose weight, their diet can be any of the following:
(1) Regular
(2) Vegetarian
(3) Southern
(4) Mediterranean
(5) Atkins
(6) South Beach
(7) Ornish
(8) Vegan
(9) Low-fat/cholesterol
(10) Low sodium
.
.
.
e
t
c
e
t
e
r
a
> >
> >> >> >GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
> >> >>
> >> >> That sentence makes no sense, but then many things you say are
> >> >> senseless.
> >> >
> >> >Sorry for the typo... c/that/than Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >> There is nothing to forgive.
> >
> >There was my typing error which led you to be confused.
>
> And I did not need to have you ask for forgiveness.
My choice.
> With God's Unconditional Love there is no such thing as sin.
Most assuredly without doubt, there is sin.
> >> >It should have read:
>
> I don't click on links in a discussion like this. They are a huge
> waste of time.
Your choice.
> >> > GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
> >> >
> >> > John 3:16
> >>
> >> Don't bother to post links to me. I don't have the time or inclination
> >> to look at them.
> >
> >That would be your choice to not look at the wheel that I choose not to
> >reinvent. Others following this thread may choose differently. Such is
> >our respective free wills that GOD has generously gifted all souls
> >including those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
>
> There you go, quoting the damned bible again even though I have told
> you I don't own one and don't want one and don't believe in it at all.
There is always free online access.
> >
> >May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> >neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
>
> May your drugs cure your psychosis.
In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
Again, may GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
dear neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >> >
> >> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >>
> >> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is a
> >> diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
> >
> > Incorrect.
>
> No, it's correct.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> > Noone would believe that a fast (restricting food intake to zero amount)
> > is a diet.
>
> Ever heard of "crash" diets?
Yes.
> They're fraudulent, in terms of what is
> claimed about them, but they do involve fasting.
The latter is incorrect.
For example:
> > Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
> > portion size) a diet.
>
> ROMFFLMMFAOUIPMMFP!!!!
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
> "No one" herein defined as "everyone who is
> Andrew B. Chung, quack, fraud, and k0oK".
Non sequitur.
> > Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>
> No, therefore, Andrew B. Chung is full of shit, as per usual.
Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
>> >> believing they were following directions from god of their
>> >> understanding.
>> >
>> >Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
>>
>> What do you mean by god-breathed.
>> I don't understand the term at all.
>
>What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
>plainer.
What has been written?
Your answer? I do not recall seeing one.
Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
>
>> >Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
>> >portion size) a diet.
>>
>> Everyone who does it considers it their diet.
>
>Actually, most folks describe it as their WOE.
I suppose they would considering the meaning of the word.
woe (wo)n. 1. Deep distress or misery, as from grief;
wretchedness. See Synonyms at regret. 2. Misfortune; calamity:
economic and political woes.
---------------------------------------------------------
Excerpted from American Heritage Talking Dictionary
Copyright © 1997 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
>> >
>> >Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>>
>> Trying to tell you something is like trying to explain color to a
>> person who has always been blind.
>
>You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision by pretending to
>describe colors to the seeing.
>
>When someone says they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach to permanently
>lose weight, their diet can be any of the following:
>
>(1) Regular
>
>(2) Vegetarian
>
>(3) Southern
>
>(4) Mediterranean
>
>(5) Atkins
>
>(6) South Beach
>
>(7) Ornish
>
>(8) Vegan
>
>(9) Low-fat/cholesterol
>
>(10) Low sodium
And as you just said, it is a DIET.
So you have contradicted yourself again.
>> With God's Unconditional Love there is no such thing as sin.
>
>Most assuredly without doubt, there is sin.
In your mind, but not in god's eyes.
>
>> >> > GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
>> >> >
>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
>> >> >
>> >> > John 3:16
>> >>
>> >> Don't bother to post links to me. I don't have the time or inclination
>> >> to look at them.
>> >
>> >That would be your choice to not look at the wheel that I choose not to
>> >reinvent. Others following this thread may choose differently. Such is
>> >our respective free wills that GOD has generously gifted all souls
>> >including those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
>>
>> There you go, quoting the damned bible again even though I have told
>> you I don't own one and don't want one and don't believe in it at all.
>
>There is always free online access.
Now you are being purposely obtuse again. I don't care to read the
bible. I was forced to read it as a child and got my belly full of it
and the contradictions contained in it.
>> May your drugs cure your psychosis.
>
>In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
Is that your psychiatrists opinion or your own self delusion at work
again?
The God of Odd Statements
state:
> TransWench wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>> >>
>> >> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that
>> >> is a diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
>> >
>> > Incorrect.
>>
>> No, it's correct.
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Without facts, your words are meaningless.
>> > Noone would believe that a fast (restricting food intake to zero
>> > amount) is a diet.
>>
>> Ever heard of "crash" diets?
>
> Yes.
Oh, good.
>> They're fraudulent, in terms of what is claimed about them, but they do
>> involve fasting.
>
> The latter is incorrect.
No, it's correct, and you are a liar.
> For example:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/s4xj4
That sounds like your kind of "fasting", alright.
>> > Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
>> > portion size) a diet.
>>
>> ROMFFLMMFAOUIPMMFP!!!!
>
> Written laughter is silent despair.
<quotes removed, because it originates with Andrew Chung, and no one else>
This is a text medium. What kind of laughter were you expecting?
>> "No one" herein defined as "everyone who is Andrew B. Chung, quack,
>> fraud, and k0oK".
>
> Non sequitur.
Having trouble with dem word meanings, huh?
>> > Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>>
>> No, therefore, Andrew B. Chung is full of shit, as per usual.
>
> Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly.
Your apology is not accepted.
> Please forgive all my iniquities.
Consider yourself unforgiven.
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
> unconditionally.
Until you are more forthcoming with teh sex0r, I don't want to hear about
it.
--
________________________________________________________________________
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have the advantage. I could easily turn alt.usenet.kooks into a cesspool
of encoded posts. Bringing the noise ratio up so high as to make the
group worthless. Anybody who can code could do this, why nobody has
bothered before now is beyond me. The ultimate spamming engine..
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
> >> >> believing they were following directions from god of their
> >> >> understanding.
> >> >
> >> >Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
> >>
> >> What do you mean by god-breathed.
> >> I don't understand the term at all.
> >
> >What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
> >plainer.
>
> What has been written?
What you have snipped.
> Your answer?
Yes.
> I do not recall seeing one.
Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) about your recall difficulties.
> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
> >> >Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
> >> >portion size) a diet.
> >>
> >> Everyone who does it considers it their diet.
> >
> >Actually, most folks describe it as their WOE.
>
> I suppose they would considering the meaning of the word.
WOE is an acronym for "Way of Eating."
> woe (wo)n. 1. Deep distress or misery, as from grief;
> wretchedness. See Synonyms at regret. 2. Misfortune; calamity:
> economic and political woes.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Excerpted from American Heritage Talking Dictionary
> Copyright © 1997 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Non sequitur.
> >> >
> >> >Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >>
> >> Trying to tell you something is like trying to explain color to a
> >> person who has always been blind.
> >
> >You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision by pretending to
> >describe colors to the seeing.
> >
> >When someone says they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach to permanently
> >lose weight, their diet can be any of the following:
> >
> >(1) Regular
> >
> >(2) Vegetarian
> >
> >(3) Southern
> >
> >(4) Mediterranean
> >
> >(5) Atkins
> >
> >(6) South Beach
> >
> >(7) Ornish
> >
> >(8) Vegan
> >
> >(9) Low-fat/cholesterol
> >
> >(10) Low sodium
> >
> > et cetera
> And as you just said, it is a DIET.
No. I have written down 10 diets that could be dovetailed with the
2PD-OMER Approach which is not a diet else the dovetailing would not be
possible.
> So you have contradicted yourself again.
Hardly.
> >> With God's Unconditional Love there is no such thing as sin.
> >
> >Most assuredly without doubt, there is sin.
>
> In your mind, but not in god's eyes.
Neither you nor I are GOD though it seems to be your choice to pretend
to see through HIS eyes.
> >> >> > GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > John 3:16
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't bother to post links to me. I don't have the time or inclination
> >> >> to look at them.
> >> >
> >> >That would be your choice to not look at the wheel that I choose not to
> >> >reinvent. Others following this thread may choose differently. Such is
> >> >our respective free wills that GOD has generously gifted all souls
> >> >including those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
> >>
> >> There you go, quoting the damned bible again even though I have told
> >> you I don't own one and don't want one and don't believe in it at all.
> >
> >There is always free online access.
>
> Now you are being purposely obtuse again. I don't care to read the
> bible. I was forced to read it as a child and got my belly full of it
> and the contradictions contained in it.
"Those who do not work do not eat." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> >> May your drugs cure your psychosis.
> >
> >In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
>
> Is that your psychiatrists opinion or your own self delusion at work
> again?
Neither.
Simply the truth.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >> >> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
> >> >> >> believing they were following directions from god of their
> >> >> >> understanding.
>
> >> >> >Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
>
> >> >> What do you mean by god-breathed.
> >> >> I don't understand the term at all.
>
> >> >What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
> >> >plainer.
>
>
> >"Those who do not work do not eat." -- Holy Spirit
>
> physically incapacitated. Each one receives according to what he puts
> in. Socialism being but a transition towards communism, it still
> contains certain vestiges of the capitalist past, since under socialism
> not full equality is obtained, but only a mechanical equality."
> http://www.weisbord.org/conquest17.htm
>
> "Those who do not work do not eat, to paraphrase Marx."
> http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=256
Even blind squirrels will eventually find a nut.
Without the LORD, all that a man accomplishes is meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Don whom I
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>> >> What do you mean by god-breathed.
>> >> I don't understand the term at all.
>> >
>> >What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
>> >plainer.
>>
>> What has been written?
>
>What you have snipped.
Well isn't that a non intelligible answer.
Let me guess: The links you put up? You already know I won't read
them.
>
>> I do not recall seeing one.
>
>Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) about your recall difficulties.
My doctors have both told me they wish all of their patients were as
caring and informed about their health and Laurie and I are.
>
>> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
>> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
>
>Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>> >Actually, most folks describe it as their WOE.
>>
>> I suppose they would considering the meaning of the word.
>
>WOE is an acronym for "Way of Eating."
>
>> woe (wo)n. 1. Deep distress or misery, as from grief;
>> wretchedness. See Synonyms at regret. 2. Misfortune; calamity:
>> economic and political woes.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> Excerpted from American Heritage Talking Dictionary
>> Copyright © 1997 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
>Non sequitur.
Wrong. It follows the logic of the word perfectly.
>
................................
>> >(10) Low sodium
>> And as you just said, it is a DIET.
>
>No. I have written down 10 diets that could be dovetailed with the
>2PD-OMER Approach which is not a diet else the dovetailing would not be
>possible.
>
>> So you have contradicted yourself again.
>
>Hardly.
Caught in a lie and not man enough to admit it. Sad - very sad.
>
>> >> With God's Unconditional Love there is no such thing as sin.
>> >
>> >Most assuredly without doubt, there is sin.
>>
>> In your mind, but not in god's eyes.
>
>Neither you nor I are GOD though it seems to be your choice to pretend
>to see through HIS eyes.
LOL
I "pretend" nothing. The Force, which you choose to call GOD, sees
through all eyes.
>> >> There you go, quoting the damned bible again even though I have told
>> >> you I don't own one and don't want one and don't believe in it at all.
>> >
>> >There is always free online access.
>>
>> Now you are being purposely obtuse again. I don't care to read the
>> bible. I was forced to read it as a child and got my belly full of it
>> and the contradictions contained in it.
>
>"Those who do not work do not eat." -- Holy Spirit
As real as Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
I guess you can't pray to god for yourself, but must use some go
between. No self esteem.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 18, 2006 is 2,687. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/19/2006 it’s 1240 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Even blind squirrels will eventually find a nut.
You sure must have to protect yourselves from the local squirrels.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 18, 2006 is 2,687. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/19/2006 it’s 1240 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
<Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
>
> > Chuck wrote:
> >> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
> >> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
> >
> >Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
>
> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
about the truth.
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
><Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
Did so proudly too. Tis the only way to shorten chung's ramblings.
>>
>> > Chuck wrote:
>> >> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
>> >> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
>> >
>> >Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
original texts.
>>
>> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
>> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
>> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
>> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>
>None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
>about the truth.
You could not be more wrong if you tried. Which of them have you read?
After all you cannot pass judgement unless you have read each and
every one of them from cover to cover.
>
>"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Chung never has an original thought. He has to quote things that were
written down at least two hundred years after the person being quoted
was executed.
May the Force be with you too.
Ma¢k
<Grandp...@B4ME.org> Maniacally Screamed the following like a
drunken GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org> into the madness of
usenet:
>The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
>perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
>original texts.
actually there are many different versions of the bible not all of
which were butchered by the catholic church. One version in south
africa has passages in it supporting certain types of slavery that you
won't find in other versions in other countries.
the newer bastardized versions rewritten within the last 50 years have
words in them that were not in the original versions, or even in use
at the time of the bible stories.
>
>>>
>>> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
>>> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
>>> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
>>> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>>
all good books with one exception they all contain spiritual truths.
None of which are unique or the domain of any religion.
>>None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
>>about the truth.
>
>You could not be more wrong if you tried. Which of them have you read?
>After all you cannot pass judgement unless you have read each and
>every one of them from cover to cover.
>
he can't even get the bible right, he's been misquoting it all along.
why have you kept this up with him, you know he is mentally ill.
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<stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
>[Default] On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:43:32 GMT, GrandpaChuck
><Grandp...@B4ME.org> Maniacally Screamed the following like a
>drunken GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org> into the madness of
>usenet:
>
>>The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
>>perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
>>original texts.
>
>actually there are many different versions of the bible not all of
>which were butchered by the catholic church. One version in south
>africa has passages in it supporting certain types of slavery that you
>won't find in other versions in other countries.
>
>the newer bastardized versions rewritten within the last 50 years have
>words in them that were not in the original versions, or even in use
>at the time of the bible stories.
Well some say it is a "living document." I would guess that it has to
continue to rewritten for that to be true.
>
>
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
>>>> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
>>>> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
>>>> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>>>
>
>all good books with one exception they all contain spiritual truths.
>None of which are unique or the domain of any religion.
Thank all the gods for that!
Gee, I forgot to include the "Tibetan Book of the Dead," a most
interesting book.
>
>
>
>>>None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
>>>about the truth.
>>
>>You could not be more wrong if you tried. Which of them have you read?
>>After all you cannot pass judgement unless you have read each and
>>every one of them from cover to cover.
>>
>
>he can't even get the bible right, he's been misquoting it all along.
I know, and I thank you for pointing those errors out to him
periodically. I have noticed he has never owned up to those errors and
misquotes either.
>
>
>why have you kept this up with him, you know he is mentally ill.
Just a little mental exercise and trying to get him to admit that he
is sometimes wrong. A pretty futile effort, isn't it?
OTOH, it has been a good test of my tolerance since I have resisted
becoming angry at his idiotic statements and haven't told him to go
$&#* himself. I came close when I told him to take his meds and
masturbate until he was able to sleep, though. LOL
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Holy Spirit gave the same truth to Marx and Lenin as It did to you?
No. Moreover, HE is GOD.
> Or are you saying they came to the same truth without the intervention
> of the Holy Spirit?
Blinds squirrels do not find nuts without GOD's help.
> Since you say there is no such thing as luck I assume you will agree
> that they didn't stumble onto it because they were lucky.
It is what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write. There is no such
thing as luck (Proverbs 16:33).
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> ><Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
>
> Did so proudly too.
It remains my choice to die to self daily. Where there is no self,
there can be no pride.
> Tis the only way to shorten chung's ramblings.
This does keep me from rambling.
> >> > Chuck wrote:
> >> >> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
> >> >> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
> >> >
> >> >Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
>
> The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
> perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
> original texts.
Nothing happens unless permitted by GOD.
> >> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
> >> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
> >> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
> >> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
> >
> >None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
> >about the truth.
>
> You could not be more wrong if you tried.
Only those who are guided by the Holy Spirit can come closest to being
right all the time.
Even then, we fall short of HIS glory.
It is in our shortcomings that GOD's perfection is fully realized.
Most assuredly without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
right.
> Which of them have you read?
One does not need to read a book in its entirety to know that it is not
filled with information about the truth.
> After all you cannot pass judgement unless you have read each and
> every one of them from cover to cover.
As if one needs to drink the entire ocean to know whether it is filled
with salt water.
> >
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Chung never has an original thought.
Correct. All knowledge and wisdom comes from GOD.
> He has to quote things that were
> written down at least two hundred years after the person being quoted
> was executed.
In the Holy Spirit, I was there to hear my LORD say this firsthand.
> May the Force be with you too.
The Holy Spirit is infinitely more than a force.
Ma¢k
<Grandp...@B4ME.org> Maniacally Screamed the following like a
drunken GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org> into the madness of
usenet:
>On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:58:05 -0400, Ma¢k
><stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
>
>>[Default] On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:43:32 GMT, GrandpaChuck
>><Grandp...@B4ME.org> Maniacally Screamed the following like a
>>drunken GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org> into the madness of
>>usenet:
>>
>>>The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
>>>perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
>>>original texts.
>>
>>actually there are many different versions of the bible not all of
>>which were butchered by the catholic church. One version in south
>>africa has passages in it supporting certain types of slavery that you
>>won't find in other versions in other countries.
>>
>>the newer bastardized versions rewritten within the last 50 years have
>>words in them that were not in the original versions, or even in use
>>at the time of the bible stories.
>
>Well some say it is a "living document." I would guess that it has to
>continue to rewritten for that to be true.
>
I have often been told by Christians that those who alter the bible
are committing a sin and that the bible contains warnings against
doing this. But like most off the top of their quotes/interpretations
it has never been backed up.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
>>>>> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
>>>>> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
>>>>> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>>>>
>>
>>all good books with one exception they all contain spiritual truths.
>>None of which are unique or the domain of any religion.
>
>Thank all the gods for that!
>Gee, I forgot to include the "Tibetan Book of the Dead," a most
>interesting book.
>
A personal favorite of mine.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
>>>>about the truth.
>>>
>>>You could not be more wrong if you tried. Which of them have you read?
>>>After all you cannot pass judgement unless you have read each and
>>>every one of them from cover to cover.
>>>
>>
>>he can't even get the bible right, he's been misquoting it all along.
>
>I know, and I thank you for pointing those errors out to him
>periodically. I have noticed he has never owned up to those errors and
>misquotes either.
>
his dishonest ego prevents him from doing so.
>>
>>
>>why have you kept this up with him, you know he is mentally ill.
>
>Just a little mental exercise and trying to get him to admit that he
>is sometimes wrong. A pretty futile effort, isn't it?
very futile, his slightly more dangerous counter parts, david koresh,
jim jones and others like them, would not only refuse to be honest
they killed themselves and their followers.
through medical quackery and twisting of religion, that nutter gets to
claim any harm he does is god's will and never own up to his
responsibility in what happens. Perfect example, his being fired in
ocala florida and then first claiming his termination was racially
based, then claiming he voluntarily left because God told him through
the 9-11 attacks that the people of ocala were not deserving of the
troll's divine help. Not mentioning that the attacks took place long
after his termination. His words archived in google.
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<stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
>I have often been told by Christians that those who alter the bible
>are committing a sin and that the bible contains warnings against
>doing this. But like most off the top of their quotes/interpretations
>it has never been backed up.
Hi Mack,
It is hard for me to understand why people waste so much time and
energy building such houses of cards in their imaginations.... In the
end it is all abstraction, symbol, imagination, and emotion... sorta
like building something with an erector set in one's head, and
becoming emotionally attached to its linguistic expression.
In this regard, I am reminded of something Bertrand Russell once said.
"I do not think that the real reason why people accept religion is
anything to do with argumentation. They accept religion on emotional
grounds. One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack
religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have
not noticed it." --Bertrand Russell
Hope you have a good one.
Will, T2
Michael
> [Default] On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:00 GMT, GrandpaChuck
> <Grandp...@B4ME.org> Maniacally Screamed the following like a
> drunken GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org> into the madness of
> usenet:
>
>
>> <stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> [Default] On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:43:32 GMT, GrandpaChuck
>>> <Grandp...@B4ME.org> Maniacally Screamed the following like a
>>> drunken GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org> into the madness of
>>> usenet:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
>>>> perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
>>>> original texts.
>>>>
>>> actually there are many different versions of the bible not all of
>>> which were butchered by the catholic church. One version in south
>>> africa has passages in it supporting certain types of slavery that you
>>> won't find in other versions in other countries.
>>>
>>> the newer bastardized versions rewritten within the last 50 years have
>>> words in them that were not in the original versions, or even in use
>>> at the time of the bible stories.
>>>
>> Well some say it is a "living document." I would guess that it has to
>> continue to rewritten for that to be true.
>>
>>
>
> I have often been told by Christians that those who alter the bible
> are committing a sin and that the bible contains warnings against
> doing this. But like most off the top of their quotes/interpretations
> it has never been backed up.
>
briefly pastor of a church where the elder board decided that the Holy
Spirit didn't exist... despite the explicity declaration of its
existence in the Church Constitution. My FIL was fired as soon as my
wife was born.
Our current church holds that the scriptures, in the /original language/
are "God-breathed" scripture -- basically they hold that the Bible
(typical protestant) is inviolable scripture in the original, but maybe
not in translation.
What just dawned on me is I don't know how our current church decides
which canon of the Bible to use... we don't accept the deuterocanonical
books such as Judith.
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GrandpaChuck
<stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
Which do you suppose chung claims to follow since literally every
single bible in print today has been grossly changed from the ancient
texts and languages they were originally hand written in?
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
>>>>>> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
>>>>>> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
>>>>>> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>all good books with one exception they all contain spiritual truths.
>>>None of which are unique or the domain of any religion.
>>
>>Thank all the gods for that!
>>Gee, I forgot to include the "Tibetan Book of the Dead," a most
>>interesting book.
>>
>
>A personal favorite of mine.
I too found it quite interesting once I got into it. What a
magnificent way to pay tribute and mourn the recently departed.
Yes - and sick in the head and spirit too. ;-)
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~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 20, 2006 is 2,691. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/20/2006 it’s 1241 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
GrandpaChuck
Far too many people that I have known have gone to this church or
that, claiming to really believe as they did, when their only real
reason was in order to get financial gain from the people they get to
associate with.
I have a cousin who has been married and divorced three times through
the years. He has always been a large contributor to his small town
Catholic Church. He is still a member in good standing and is allowed
to take the sacraments whenever he chooses. The ironic part is that he
was raised in the Christian Church (protestant denomination) and
converted to Catholicism when he married his first wife. You should
see how the priest and other members play up to him.
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~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 20, 2006 is 2,691. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/20/2006 it’s 1241 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
GrandpaChuck
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>> ><Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
>> Did so proudly too.
>It remains my choice to die to self daily. Where there is no self,
>there can be no pride.
Oh my how you lie. You ego is so large that I am surprised you head
has not exploded.
>> Tis the only way to shorten chung's ramblings.
>This does keep me from rambling.
What keeps you from rambling? Nothing I have yet seen.
>> >> > Chuck wrote:
>> >> >> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
>> >> >> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
>> >> >Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
>> The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
>> perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
>> original texts.
>Nothing happens unless permitted by GOD.
And yet SHE allows your brethren to kill and maim the followers of
Islam every day all in the name of George W. Bush and God's name.
>> >> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
>> >> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
>> >> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
>> >> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>> >None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
>> >about the truth.
>> You could not be more wrong if you tried.
>Only those who are guided by the Holy Spirit can come closest to being
>right all the time.
So, according to you, Unitarians are not true Christians no matter how
much they love God?
>Even then, we fall short of HIS glory.
Never. God never judges any of His/Her children.
>It is in our shortcomings that GOD's perfection is fully realized.
Read Conversations With God and then get back to me on that. You have
read it, haven't you, since you have judged it as being less honest
than your old book?
>Most assuredly without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
>right.
Yes She is. May the Force be with you in all things.
>> Which of them have you read?
>One does not need to read a book in its entirety to know that it is not
>filled with information about the truth.
Answer the question I asked or admit you know nothing of the books.
Come on. Which one(s) have you read and how much of it did you read?
Stop avoiding the question or admit you haven't read them.
>> After all you cannot pass judgement unless you have read each and
>> every one of them from cover to cover.
>As if one needs to drink the entire ocean to know whether it is filled
>with salt water.
Meaningless drivel.
>> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>> Chung never has an original thought.
>Correct. All knowledge and wisdom comes from GOD.
God also gave you the power of independent thought. If He/She wanted
you to be a thoughtless slave you would be pond scum.
>> He has to quote things that were
>> written down at least two hundred years after the person being quoted
>> was executed.
>In the Holy Spirit, I was there to hear my LORD say this firsthand.
Then why did you not hear it from God? Why did you have to hear it
from some spirit?
>> May the Force be with you too.
>The Holy Spirit is infinitely more than a force.
There is nothing stronger in all of the Universe than the Force's
unconditional love.
--
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-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 20, 2006 is 2,691. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/20/2006 it’s 1241 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
wmm...@cox.net
On 20-Sep-2006, Michael <micha8s-yahoo@please-don't-spam-me.com> wrote:
> Our current church holds that the scriptures, in the /original language/
> are "God-breathed" scripture -- basically they hold that the Bible
> (typical protestant) is inviolable scripture in the original, but maybe
> not in translation.
>
> What just dawned on me is I don't know how our current church decides
> which canon of the Bible to use... we don't accept the deuterocanonical
> books such as Judith.
I guess it is whatever floats a person's boat, Michael. Personally, I am
just as happy in some synagogues as churches, and vice versa, but my
favorite spiritual place is a nice quiet place in the woods.... possibly
near a stream or lake, or maybe on a nice natural beach. Maybe with a
fishing pole in my hand :-)
Will, T2
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> On 20-Sep-2006, Michael <micha8s-yahoo@please-don't-spam-me.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Our current church holds that the scriptures, in the /original language/
>> are "God-breathed" scripture -- basically they hold that the Bible
>> (typical protestant) is inviolable scripture in the original, but maybe
>> not in translation.
>>
>> What just dawned on me is I don't know how our current church decides
>> which canon of the Bible to use... we don't accept the deuterocanonical
>> books such as Judith.
>>
>
> I guess it is whatever floats a person's boat, Michael. Personally, I am
> just as happy in some synagogues as churches, and vice versa, but my
> favorite spiritual place is a nice quiet place in the woods.... possibly
> near a stream or lake, or maybe on a nice natural beach. Maybe with a
> fishing pole in my hand :-)
>
> Will, T2
>
experiences have been out in Nature. No, make that most.
However, Nature does not make for quality /corporate/ spiritual
experience, which I believe is also important.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> ><Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
>
> >> Did so proudly too.
>
> >It remains my choice to die to self daily. Where there is no self,
> >there can be no pride.
>
> Oh my how you lie.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> You ego is so large that I am surprised you head
> has not exploded.
Then what you are witnessing is a miracle from your perspective.
The only explanation for you is that Christ Jesus with Whom I am
walking is keeping me completely well.
> >> Tis the only way to shorten chung's ramblings.
>
> >This does keep me from rambling.
>
> What keeps you from rambling? Nothing I have yet seen.
Yes, you are blind.
> >> >> > Chuck wrote:
> >> >> >> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
> >> >> >> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
>
> >> >> >Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
>
> >> The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
> >> perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
> >> original texts.
>
> >Nothing happens unless permitted by GOD.
>
> And yet SHE allows your brethren to kill and maim the followers of
> Islam every day all in the name of George W. Bush and God's name.
The brethren of Christ are swordbearers and not swordspersons. There
has been neither killing nor maiming by those who walk with Christ
Jesus though some did leave HIS side to harm others and consequently
were no longer brethren when they did this.
> >> >> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
> >> >> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
> >> >> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
> >> >> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>
> >> >None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
> >> >about the truth.
>
> >> You could not be more wrong if you tried.
>
> >Only those who are guided by the Holy Spirit can come closest to being
> >right all the time.
>
> So, according to you, Unitarians are not true Christians no matter how
> much they love God?
It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
> >Even then, we fall short of HIS glory.
>
> Never. God never judges any of His/Her children.
Finite beings such that we are fall short of the glory of an infinite
Being such that HE is.
> >It is in our shortcomings that GOD's perfection is fully realized.
>
> Read Conversations With God and then get back to me on that. You have
> read it, haven't you
Yes.
>, since you have judged it as being less honest
> than your old book?
The author, Neale Donald Walsch, did not write truthfully:
"Listen to your feelings. Listen to your Highest Thoughts. Listen to
your experience. Whenever any one of these differ from what you've
been told by your teachers, or read in your books, forget the words.
Words are the least reliable purveyor of Truth." - anonymous spirit
misrepresented as GOD by the author (Book 1, page 8)
This is essentially a commandment for self-worship which would be
inherently contradictory coming from LORD GOD Almighty, Creator of
heaven and earth so that even those without discerning hearts can grope
out the truth using just logic.
"There are many spirits in the world but only One Holy Spirit." -- Holy
Spirit
> >Most assuredly without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
> >right.
>
> Yes She is. May the Force be with you in all things.
My LORD is Christ Jesus.
> >> Which of them have you read?
>
> >One does not need to read a book in its entirety to know that it is not
> >filled with information about the truth.
>
> Answer the question I asked or admit you know nothing of the books.
> Come on. Which one(s) have you read and how much of it did you read?
> Stop avoiding the question or admit you haven't read them.
See above for an example. Fwiw, I enjoy reading and am a trained
speed-reader 950+ words/minute.
> >> After all you cannot pass judgement unless you have read each and
> >> every one of them from cover to cover.
> >As if one needs to drink the entire ocean to know whether it is filled
> >with salt water.
>
> Meaningless drivel.
The truth is meaningless to the untruthful.
> >> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> >> Chung never has an original thought.
>
> >Correct. All knowledge and wisdom comes from GOD.
>
> God also gave you the power of independent thought. If He/She wanted
> you to be a thoughtless slave you would be pond scum.
There is no power in independent thought (free will). Actuation of
independent thought is via the infinite will of GOD, Who has all the
power.
Independent thought is not original thought.
> >> He has to quote things that were
> >> written down at least two hundred years after the person being quoted
> >> was executed.
>
> >In the Holy Spirit, I was there to hear my LORD say this firsthand.
>
> Then why did you not hear it from God?
LORD Jesus Christ is GOD.
> Why did you have to hear it
> from some spirit?
The Holy Spirit took me there to hear the words of Christ Jesus, GOD
the Son, firsthand.
> >> May the Force be with you too.
>
> >The Holy Spirit is infinitely more than a force.
>
> There is nothing stronger in all of the Universe than the Force's
> unconditional love.
The Force is a fictional entity from a work of fiction, titled Star
Wars written by George Lucas.
GrandpaChuck
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >> ><Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
>> >> Did so proudly too.
>> >It remains my choice to die to self daily. Where there is no self,
>> >there can be no pride.
>> Oh my how you lie.
>It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
If it is your choice then why do you fail to do so. Instead you lie
time after time.
>> >> Tis the only way to shorten chung's ramblings.
>> >This does keep me from rambling.
>> What keeps you from rambling? Nothing I have yet seen.
>Yes, you are blind.
Quite the opposite is true. Since I found the Unconditional Love of
God and realized ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL AND STAY EQUAL in God's
eyes whether they are religious or not, my eyes have been wide open.
Too bad yours are not.
>
>> >> >> > Chuck wrote:
>> >> >> >> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
>> >> >> >> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
>> >> >> >Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
>> >> The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
>> >> perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
>> >> original texts.
>> >Nothing happens unless permitted by GOD.
>> And yet SHE allows your brethren to kill and maim the followers of
>> Islam every day all in the name of George W. Bush and God's name.
>The brethren of Christ are swordbearers and not swordspersons. There
>has been neither killing nor maiming by those who walk with Christ
>Jesus though some did leave HIS side to harm others and consequently
>were no longer brethren when they did this.
Aha! So you just said that not one single American soldier in Iraq is
a true Christian. I am sure they and their families will be happy to
know that. How dare you insult our people in uniform in such a way.
>> >> >> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
>> >> >> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
>> >> >> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
>> >> >> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>>
>> >> >None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
>> >> >about the truth.
>>
>> >> You could not be more wrong if you tried.
>>
>> >Only those who are guided by the Holy Spirit can come closest to being
>> >right all the time.
>>
>> So, according to you, Unitarians are not true Christians no matter how
>> much they love God?
>
>It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
>helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
Your own word betray that statement completely.
>
>> >Even then, we fall short of HIS glory.
>>
>> Never. God never judges any of His/Her children.
>
>Finite beings such that we are fall short of the glory of an infinite
>Being such that HE is.
And yet ALL people face the same fate after the death of this
corporeal body.
>
>> >It is in our shortcomings that GOD's perfection is fully realized.
>>
>> Read Conversations With God and then get back to me on that. You have
>> read it, haven't you
>
>Yes.
All of it?
Tell me in your own words what you believe its message is.
>
>>, since you have judged it as being less honest
>> than your old book?
>
>The author, Neale Donald Walsch, did not write truthfully:
>
>"Listen to your feelings. Listen to your Highest Thoughts. Listen to
>your experience. Whenever any one of these differ from what you've
>been told by your teachers, or read in your books, forget the words.
>Words are the least reliable purveyor of Truth." - anonymous spirit
>misrepresented as GOD by the author (Book 1, page 8)
I agree completely.
>
>This is essentially a commandment for self-worship which would be
>inherently contradictory coming from LORD GOD Almighty,
You have twisted its meaning. God speaks to each and everyone of us
every single day. All we have to do is open ourselves to receive that
communication and not listen to others who try to put their beliefs on
our shoulders as being true, such as you do.
>> Yes She is. May the Force be with you in all things.
>My LORD is Christ Jesus.
Call it what you like. God doesn't care.
>> >> Which of them have you read?
>>
>> >One does not need to read a book in its entirety to know that it is not
>> >filled with information about the truth.
>>
>> Answer the question I asked or admit you know nothing of the books.
>> Come on. Which one(s) have you read and how much of it did you read?
>> Stop avoiding the question or admit you haven't read them.
>
>See above for an example. Fwiw, I enjoy reading and am a trained
>speed-reader 950+ words/minute.
No one can absorb the meaning of anything read at that speed. I
suggest you reread it slowly one word at a time and allow it to be
absorbed.
What about the others?
>> Then why did you not hear it from God?
>
>LORD Jesus Christ is GOD.
God doesn't care what you call Her.
>> Why did you have to hear it
>> from some spirit?
>
>The Holy Spirit took me there to hear the words of Christ Jesus, GOD
>the Son, firsthand.
From where? The Bible? Which version? Why not from the original texts
in the ancient languages?
>> >> May the Force be with you too.
>> >The Holy Spirit is infinitely more than a force.
>> There is nothing stronger in all of the Universe than the Force's
>> unconditional love.
>The Force is a fictional entity from a work of fiction, titled Star
>Wars written by George Lucas.
And just as valid as the words in the Bible.
>
>May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
>neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
May god heal your sick mind, body and soul.
>
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Prayerfully in the Force's unconditional love.
Gene Goldman
wrote:
>Well isn't that a non intelligible answer.
What do you expect? Look who you are corresponding with.
--
The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottomline: I remain peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better,dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally.
Gratefully, in Lizard-Spit's amazing love,
Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Gene Goldman
T2
Metformin and Lizard Spit
Consuming copious amounts of Aspertame-laden soft drinks with reckless abandon!
Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!
GrandpaChuck
wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:34:40 GMT, GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org>
>wrote:
>
>>Well isn't that a non intelligible answer.
>
>What do you expect? Look who you are corresponding with.
I know. Someone once told me, "While there is life there is hope." and
I foolishly listened.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of September 20, 2006 is 2,691. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
09/20/2006 it’s 1236 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
Michael
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:00:59 -0700, Gene Goldman <brG...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:34:40 GMT, GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Well isn't that a non intelligible answer.
>>>
>> What do you expect? Look who you are corresponding with.
>>
>
> I know. Someone once told me, "While there is life there is hope." and
> I foolishly listened.
>
Orthodoxy may teach that God can move mountains, but it also teaches to
pray in His will -- that God ain't gonna do something just because you
pray for it.
In any case, my current theory about Ch*ng is that he's a borderline
cultist Christian -- adhering to a form of Christianity that teaches
that true Christians embrace persecution. So, to make sure he gets his
quota of persecution, he goes to Usenet and encites persecution.
What's weird is that /sometimes/ he contributes. Usually he ruins it
for most by dragging in his not-a-diet.
If my theory is correct, then the best way to get rid of him is to
ignore him.