http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/119c3a7d5612207c?
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic at any time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks in our local communities for the
probable eventuality of a deadlier Pan-Flu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Only by the will of the FSM can one say or type, "The FSM is Lard".
With all due respect, Andrew B. Chung, can you say or type "The FSM is
Lard" using your mouth or your keyboard?
<snip-a-thon>
>Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement:
Andrew B. Chung is nothing but a liar and impostor.
The official Andrew B. Chung background facts
28.8.2009
Day for day "Andrew B. Chung" spits masses of harassing posts into the Net.
Who is Andrew B. Chung?
A) in short
B) typical rhetoric warfare by Andrew B. Chung
Examples
C) Details
a) Leeerooy Jenkins about Andrew B. Chung
b) Andrew B. Chung in public praises mass murder
c) Andrew B. Chung, the impostor
D) The faked proves of Andrew B. Chung
E) Andrew B. Chung and a medical question
A) in short
===========
Andrew B. Chung makes false medical claims.
Andrew B. Chung is seeding hatred and he aggressively attacks other posters.
Andrew B. Chung slimyly describes himself as
<quote>
Being truly nice (WDJW) and praying for xyz's perishing soul .
</quote>
Actually Andrew B. Chung praises for mass murder.
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Daily Spirit-guided WDJW health tip for 08/10/09
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:21:53 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <fa267b2a-e0e9-4dae...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
Retiring people from existence in this world and taking them up to
heaven is not murder :-)
</quote>
B) typical rhetoric warfare by Andrew B. Chung
==============================================
1.
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:08:15 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
with the subject line
"Being joyfully nice (WDJW) and praying for H.O.'s perishing soul"
Already this subject line is a way of massive stalking. This is typical for
religiots, who CLAIM to be soooo polite but in reality are filled with hatred up
to the hairs.
2.
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 02:50:17 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>May GOD give you, H.O., a new heart
That is a way of rhetorical warfare of the meanest sort: to grab a "god" and to
claim to have it at one's side, and then - as a higher person BECAUSE OF having
that god at one's side - give orders and reign over other people.
3.
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 04:02:34 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic at any time:
Hundreds of millions of people died a cruel death - all caused by a "loving"
god?
AND SO WHAT!?: People are intimidated to get on their knees because of fear of
that god.
This way people are mentally abused.
4.
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:21:30 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>Then please allow me to hear you say "Jesus is LORD" via voicemail at
>the telephone number listed at the above JiL4ever.net web site.
In this strange way this guy sets himself over other people.
He abuses a god to make himself superior of other people.
C) Details:
===========
a) Leeerooy Jenkins about Andrew B. Chung
b) Andrew B. Chung in public praises mass murder
a) Leeerooy Jenkins about Andrew B. Chung
-----------------------------------------
"Leeerooy Jenkins" <j...@j.com> gave a description of Andrew B. Chung in
Message-ID: <Nu6dnb94loVIlujX...@giganews.com>
<quote>
Andrew Chung:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format lo...@thetruth.com (#
being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto
food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
</quote>
b) Andrew B. Chung in public praises mass murder
------------------------------------------------
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Being truly nice (WDJW) and praying for Ken's perishing soul ...
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <d4c2cd8c-ec08-498d...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>
Happy Oyster wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >> > Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Andrew in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >May GOD give you, H.O., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20
> >> >> >> >> >> >and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and Spirit (John
> >> >> >> >> >> >3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> To harrass other people by using religion as a means of rheoric warfare is a
> >> >> >> >> >> crime.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Asking GOD to give you eternal life (John 3:16) is neither harrassment
> >> >> >> >> >nor warfare.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So if a truck rolls over Andrew B. Chung, that is a good deed and planned by
> >> >> >> >> god?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That is bullshit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Incorrect.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This is a written prayer.
> >> >>
> >> >> Like other murderous stuff in the bible?
> >> >
> >> > What is written in the Bible is that GOD commands us to not murder:
> >> >
> >> > "You shall not murder." -- GOD (Exodus 20:13)
> >
> >Amen.
> >
> >> If it is done for god, it is declared as "not murder".
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > "But if the accused ever goes outside the limits of the city of refuge
> > to which he has fled and the avenger of blood finds him outside the
> > city, the avenger of blood may kill the accused without being guilty
> > of murder." (Numbers 35:26-27)
Amen.
The ultimate City of Refuge will be the new Jerusalem.
> Another apology for mass murder.
Incorrect.
It is absolute justification for capital punishment, which is not
murder.
Those who deny Jesus being the only begotten Son of GOD and deny that
GOD raised from the dead are culpable as accessories to the murder of
GOD's Son on the cross at Mt. Calvary.
GOD the Father, as the Avenger of of His Son's blood, may kill all of
the accused without Himself being guilty of murder.
[...]
</quote>
So this is the "excuse" for ANY mass murder. The murderers only have to claim
that they kill in god's order.
At the very same time these hatred seeding monsters describe themselves as
<quote>
Being truly nice (WDJW) and praying for xyz's perishing soul .
</quote>
And that
<quote>
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
</quote>
That is total insanity on two legs.
One more example:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Daily Spirit-guided WDJW health tip for 08/23/09
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:19:24 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <ec63c193-ac3f-41a8...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com; posting-host=74.166.29.78;
posting-account=AHd-hQoAAAANUwbIoeJwuFe_Kvj2Pve1
Happy Oyster wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> >Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
> >allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
>
> Yes, all, including Hitler and his murderers.
... and including you :-)
> God is the greatest mass murderer of all, because he plans all these murders.
Giving eternal life (John 3:16) is not murder.
**********************************************
</quote>
c) Andrew B. Chung, the impostor
--------------------------------
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Daily Spirit-guided WDJW health tip for 08/27/09
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:17:07 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4f7ceba3-5ee4-462f...@d38g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: d38g2000yqi.googlegroups.com; posting-host=74.166.29.78;
posting-account=yrrEkQoAAADK0mjGhUwXhlCgz4P6kDIf
Happy Oyster wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >It is when we are in perfect peace that we become healthier (hungrier)
> >than ever.
> >
> >"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
> >LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
> >
> >Amen.
> >
> >A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
>
> Bullshit.
Not for the discerning.
> Where ist the spirit?
The Holy Spirit is everywhere He wants to be :-)
********************************************
> Why does not not talk for itself?
GOD does what He wants :-)
**********************
[...]
</quote>
>The Holy Spirit is everywhere He wants to be :-)
So any impostor, like Andrew B. Chung, can claim that he is authorized by the
holy ghost.
>> Why does not not talk for itself?
>
>GOD does what He wants :-)
So any impostor, like Andrew B. Chung, can claim that he is sent by god.
What a simple world: only say that you are sent by the holy ghost (whatever that
invented figure is meant to be), and immediately you can make ANY claims because
god automatically (as "GOD does what He wants") is supporting the impostor. And
you can dominate others as you like.
All Andrew B. Chung has to say is something like this:
1.
====
>A discerning heart is a spiritual gift from GOD.
2.
====
>> You are a sad pathetic hypocrite who lacks knowledge.
>
>Lie.
>
>This gentile disciple of LORD Jesus Christ would have neither an MD
>much less a PhD if what you wrote were true.
3.
====
>> > It is when we are in perfect peace that we become healthier (hungrier)
>> > than ever.
>>
>> How many times are you going to repeat this?
>
>It remains the personal choice of this physician to continue to
>receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in everything said, done, and
>written.
4.
====
>> I notice that you did not put yourself into the class of "the
>> discerning" ...
>
>There was no need to do that when the Holy Spirit testifies on this
>physician's behalf by helping him publicly say "Jesus is LORD" as has
>been oft-seen on-line:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc
>
>Sadly, the same cannot be truthfully written about you.
5.
====
>> > A Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like you, Peter B.:
>>
>> You are a fake and a fraud ...
>
>Lie.
>
>Would not have an active medical license if what you wrote were true.
>
>Again, a Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like you, Peter
>B.:
6.
====
>> > It is not by chance but by GOD that your name has folks thinking about
>> > a **second** Peter (Proverbs 16:33).
>>
>> WOW, how badly can you blow things?
>
>Incorrect.
>
>GOD remains the frame of reference for knowing what is good:
So what do we have? We have a person, who calls himself Andrew. B. Chung, who
- day for day harasses others
- day for day tries to dominate others by means of rhetoric warfare
- day for day abuses the name of god
- day for day makes insane medical claims
- day for day makes false references to a "bible", which he cannot name
- day for day advertises for a book he sells
- day for day claims to be authorized ("guided") by a holy ghost
to commit his deeds
Day for day.
D) The faked proves of Andrew B. Chung
======================================
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:22:18 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Peter B. wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote
>> > Peter B. wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > Peter B. wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > It is during the peace and quiet of the night that we become
>> >> >> > healthier (hungrier) than ever.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "First, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a
>> >> >> matter of one's own interpretation."
>> >> >
>> >> > Non sequitur.
>> >>
>> >> Passing judgement out of ignorance #1
>> >
>> > Not for the discerning.
>>
>> I notice that you did not put yourself into the class of "the
>> discerning" ...
>
>There was no need to do that when the Holy Spirit testifies on this
>physician's behalf by helping him publicly say "Jesus is LORD" as has
>been oft-seen on-line:
The holy ghost never did testify anything.
Andrew B. Chung makes idiotic claims and "proves" them with more idiotic claims.
What will he claim next? That he is emperor of China?
Ee) Andrew B. Chung and a medical question
=========================================
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:59:46 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WIJ.com> wrote:
>Richard wrote:
>
>>Would living at an elevation of 5,500 ft possibly cause a worsening of
>>aortic stenosis in a developing child?
>>
>>The aortic stenosis is caused by a bicuspid valve. Cardiologist does
>>not believe that living at this elevation would be a problem.
>>however...
>
>Would agree with your son's pediatric cardiologist.
>
>>I thought high altitude causes the heart to pump harder to get more
>>oxygen, so there must be an extra workload on the heart and lungs?
>
>Not after adapting.
>
>>In that regard (and I'm not a doctor), would there be slightly more
>>pressure on the aortic root, that might cause a worsening of aortic
>>stenosis at such a young age - in a developing child, over time?
>
>Would not expect it.
>
>With all due respect, can you, Richard, publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
**********************************************************************
>using your mouth?
**********************************************************************
>Love in the truth,
>
>Andrew <><
What a damned way of harassing a person who is asking for medical help.
Andrew B. Chung claims do be a medical doctor.
What does he do in his office?
Force his patients the same, or even worse?
I can well imagine that some of his patients would not use their mouth, but
their hands to show their disgust.
--
The real big birthday party:
http://stuttmann.de/karikaturen/kari_20090826_Sause.gif
Oh, well, it is only peanuts, you know...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be560056c6c1a223?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Again, may GOD give you, Olrik, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
>Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement...
>
..oh oh, the neighbor's wife with the tight shorts, tank top and the
soapy sponge is outside washing her car again.
> Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ85cZS0_jY
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
"God" (n). A casual and intellectually sparse rationalisation of nerve
impulses within the human brain, conflated with social and societal
expediencies, such as the division of labour and the wielding of authority,
resulting in a formal definition of a personification of an authority that
should not be questioned.
Not authentic without this signature.
The FSM wins!
You *can't* say or type "The FSM is Lard"!
O.
<snip usual Chung junk>
Sadly, H.O. is not likely to appreciate your humor, David.
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to renew minds:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right
(Jeremiah 9:24), David, so that you would be able to rein in your
deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue
sinning.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
Careful. Chung's mind might snap at the contradictory impulses that
image unleashes...
PDW
"Proof by LORD Almighty GOD: atheists can't handle reality"
Do cease and desist with your harassing religious crap!
*******************************************************
This I found today. It dates back to 2004, when Andrew B. Chung already was
known for his criminal behavior in the Net.
<quote>
Re: George Is that a REAL email address? Can't seem to send this to you....
From: Mack� (DuhNoSpam_at_nono.com)
Date: 11/12/04
Next message: Dr. Jai Maharaj: "VITAMIN E CAN KILL"
Previous message: David Wright: "Re: Wake Up and Smell the Fascism"
In reply to: rmg: "Re: George Is that a REAL email address? Can't seem to send
this to you...."
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:28:32 -0500
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:40:24 GMT, "rmg"
<roxmarie_no...@pacbell.net> Screamed something into the void
that sounded like:
>
>I find the below message offensive.
>
>Usenet is here so people can quickly reference topics and communities of
>interest. By cross posting, you are undermining a system that is working for
>a lot of well-meaning people. You are rude and your ignorant sense of
>entitlement is offensive.
>
>
here is some info publicly available about chung the psychol troll:
Chung, A B
6041 Colt Ridge Trl SE
Mableton, GA 30126-5715
(404) 699-2780
a...@heartmdphd.com
cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Domain Name: HEARTMDPHD.COM
���Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
���Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
���Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
���Name Server: NS3.SOFTCOMCA.COM
���Name Server: NS4.SOFTCOMCA.COM
���Status: ACTIVE
���Updated Date: 18-nov-2003
���Creation Date: 01-jan-2001
���Expiration Date: 01-jan-2011
go to map quest or expedia maps and enter the above address to visit
chung at his office.
�
������������������---------------------------------
�����������������| The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
�����������������| Version 1.0, January, 2004 |
������������������---------------------------------
�
�Introduction
�------------
�New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled
�and troubled by the controversy surrounding the poster who posts as Dr.
�Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to know what the
�controversy is about. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) attempts
�to provide an answer.
�
�The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions and
�answers. For those who don�t wish to read the whole FAQ, the following
�summary is provided.
�
�Summary
�-------
�Dr. Chung represents himself to be a licensed physician specializing in
�cardiology. In this capacity he responds to medical questions on
�s.m.c.. If that were all he did, there would probably be no
�controversy.
�
�The controversy arises from Dr. Chung�s other behaviors on s.m.c., in
�particular:
�
�o He uses s.m.c. to not only proselytize his particular interpretation
���of Christianity, but also to disparage and attack anyone with a
���different interpretation or different religion.
�
�o He uses s.m.c. to promote his unscientific Two Pound Diet (2PD) and,
���in fact, cross posts this information to other groups in order to
���gain more exposure.
�
�o When challenged on the above issues, or one of his medical opinions,
���he attacks his challengers as "obsessive anti-Christians",
���"libelers", "homosexuals", "people who can�t understand English",
���etc.
�
�o When challenged he performs Internet searches on his challengers in
���order to "get the dirt" on them and smear their reputations.
�
�o When challenged, he answers with evasions, non sequiturs,
���dissembling, rhetorical questions, quotes from the bible, religious
���mantras, thinly veiled death threats, ad hominem arguments, and other
���such disreputable, unethical, and unprofessional tactics.
�
�o He is insufferably full of himself, claiming to have "the gift of
���Truth Discernment" and to be "Humble" while behaving anything but
���humbly.
�
�o He uses a foil who posts under variations of the name "Mu" to avoid
���killfiles. Mu�s job is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets
���a reaction, to cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung
���can disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
���Whereas Dr. Chung has to be somewhat careful what he says and so
���attacks primarily through insinuation and innuendo, Mu�s tactics
���are blunt and direct like those of a playground bully.
�
�The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung�s egregious behavior
�on s.m.c.. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be verified
�in the Google archives.
�
�The issue then arises: so what? As long as Dr. Chung provides free
�medical advice on s.m.c., who cares what else he does?
�
�Many people provide free medical advice on the internet. How does one
�know whether it is good advice or bad advice? If the person giving the
�advice is, or represents himself to be, a doctor shouldn�t that be
�enough? Unfortunately, no.
�
�Medical education alone is not enough to guarantee good advice.
�Knowledge must be tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity,
�ethics, and professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by
�their behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence should
�be given to their medical advice?
�
�People arrive in this group looking for help. For their own
�protection, they deserve to know the quality of the person purporting
�to dispense that help and not be lulled into a false sense of security
�simply because someone displays an MD after their name. It is the
�intention of this FAQ to provide people with enough information to
�allow them to make an informed decision.
�
�List of Questions Answered
�--------------------------
��1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
��2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
��3. Aren�t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?
��4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What�s the Problem With That?
��5. But it�s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.
��6. But I�m a Christian Too!
��7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?
��8. But Isn�t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free
�����Medical Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
��9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on
�����Usenet?
�10. Won�t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
�11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who
�����Challenge Dr. Chung?
�12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
�13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
�14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
�15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
�16. Who is Mu?
�17. What is Mu�s Role?
�
�
��1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
�--------------------------------------
�The poster who posts as Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD claims to be a
�licensed physician, practicing internal medicine in Atlanta, Georgia,
�USA and specializing in cardiology. His signature contains a link to a
�website which is consistent with his posts.
�
�It should be noted that anyone can claim to be anyone on Usenet and so
�caution is always advised. Indeed there are those who claim that the
�poster in question is not Dr. Andrew B. Chung, or is not the Dr. Andrew
�B. Chung listed in the Atlanta telephone directory, and/or has lost his
�license and/or hospital privileges for misconduct. This FAQ does not
�attempt to address those claims one way or the other. The reader with
�an interest in these matters can easily find the relevant discussions
�archived in Google Groups.
�
�This FAQ deals with the poster who posts as Dr. Chung and restricts
�itself to issues demonstrated by those posts. No position is taken on
�his "true" identity.
�
��2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
�----------------------------------
�The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for
�communication between health care providers, scientists and other
�individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such
�communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange
�information and knowledge, and offer problems to solutions.
�
�The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are
�health care providers, trainees, researchers, students or recipients
�with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems."
�
(ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.med.cardiology)
�
�
��3. Aren�t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?
�--------------------------------------------------------
�What do you think?
�
��4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What�s the Problem With That?
�--------------------------------------------------------------
�There is no problem with that. Most of the people who participate in
�s.m.c. are probably religious. However no one but Dr. Chung feels
�compelled to characterize themselves as the "Humble Servant of God" in
�their signatures, continually thank God for the opportunity to
�"witness", question others about their religious beliefs, claim the
�"Gift of Truth Discernment", etc.
�
�When one person insists on introducing his personal religious
�interpretations into the discussions, it naturally generates responses
�from others who feel just as strongly that their viewpoints are
�correct. The resulting debate easily swirls out of control, especially
�given Dr. Chung�s intolerant and dismissive attitude towards beliefs
�which differ from his. The situation is further exacerbated by Mu�s
�rabble raising from the sidelines.
�
�There are over 160 Usenet groups dedicated to the discussion of
�religion. Dr. Chung should take his beliefs to one of these and stick
�to cardiology in s.m.c. It is a simple matter of respect for others.
�
��5. But it�s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.
�-------------------------------------------------------
�No, it is not. He has even gone so far as to "investigate" someone
�asking for advice about stents and accuse her of being anti-Christian.
�
��6. But I�m a Christian Too!
�----------------------------
�Lots of people are Christians. There is a time and a place for
�everything. s.m.c. isn�t the place to "witness" or recruit. In
�addition, lots of other people are Jews, Moslems, Buddhists,
�Taoists, Hindus, etc. Would s.m.c. be better or worse if they
�all emulated Dr. Chung in their proselytizing and recruiting?
�
�Furthermore, if you are a Christian, you should be appalled by Dr.
�Chung�s pharisaical, cynical, and manipulative use of Christianity. He
�is truly a "whitened sepulcher", loudly proclaiming his adherence to
�Christian values while overtly lying, carrying on smear campaigns
�against others, making false accusations, dissembling, and marketing
�his web site under the guise of altruism. He is "bearing false
�witness" and true Christians should be concerned.
�
�As an example, when John Ritter recently died unexpectedly, Dr. Chung
�rushed to use this unfortunate event to market his web site. He showed
�a total lack of Christian compassion for Mr. Ritter and his family,
�even when challenged to do so.
�
�As another example, he recently choreographed a smear campaign against
�a poster who had criticized him. Dr. Chung found a homosexual author
�with the same first name and then insinuated that the poster and anyone
�who agreed with him were engaged in a homosexual relationship. Ask
�yourself if this the brand of Christianity you identify with.
�
��7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?
�--------------------------------------------------
�Why should one individual be given carte blanche to violate the rights
�of everyone else? Usenet is a community. It is up to the community to
�sanction its members. There is nothing "ad hominem" about challenging
�inappropriate and antisocial behavior.
�
��8. But Isn�t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free
�����Medical Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
�----------------------------------------------------------
�First, it is only of value if it is good advice. Medical education
�alone is not enough to guarantee good advice. Knowledge must be
�tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity, ethics, and
�professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by their
�behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence should be
�given to their medical advice?
�
�Secondly, despite his protestations to the contrary, Dr. Chung is not
�simply motivated by altruism. Every post of Dr. Chung's contains a
�link to a website with the following quote:
�
���"If you are looking for a cardiologist and reside in Georgia,
����please consider me your best option for a personal heart advocate.
����Check out my credentials and my background. Additional information
����is available in the protected sections of this web site. Email me at
����cardio...@heartmdphd.com to me of your interest and I may send
����you a temporary username and password to allow a preview. The more
����information you email, the more likely my decision to send you a
����temporary username and password. If you like what you see and learn
����from this website and wish to confer with me about your heart, you
����or your doctor should email me privately or call my voicemail at
����404-699-2780 to schedule an appointment to see me at my *real*
����office."
���������������(http://www.heartmdphd.com/office.asp)
����������������a...@hertmdphd.com
����������������cardio...@heartmdphd.com
�
�Thirdly, Dr. Chung has repeatedly stated that one of his key
�motivations for participating is s.m.c. is to "witness" and win
�converts to his religious beliefs.
�
��9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on
�����Usenet?
�------------------------------------------------------------------
�An interesting question.
�
�10. Won�t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
�--------------------------------------------------
�Perhaps. But not challenging him will drive others away.
�
�s.m.c. is historically a "low traffic" group. Therefore, when Dr. Chung
�misbehaves, he generates an apparently large response. This is
�compounded by Dr. Chung�s need to "get in the last word" and Mu�s
�provocations. In spite of this, if someone has a question it will
�usually be answered.
�
�Dr. Chung is not the only participant who offers advice in s.m.c. He
�is not even the only doctor who participates in s.m.c. However, the
�controversy he generates and sustains often makes it appear that he is
�the "only game in town".
�
�Finally, Dr. Chung himself drives others away including other
�physicians who leave in disgust after being verbally assaulted by him,
�and other knowledgeable posters who point out where Dr. Chung�s medical
�opinion might be in error or at least not the only one generally held.
�Anyone disagreeing with Dr. Chung on any subject can expect a series of
�increasingly vitriolic attacks, including threats of libel suits.
�
�11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who
�����Challenge Dr. Chung?
�--------------------------------------------------------------
�An interesting perspective: blame the victim. No other poster
�(with the exception of Mu, of course) introduces religion or
�the Two Pound Diet. How can it be acceptable for Dr. Chung
�to introduce these topics, but not acceptable for others to
�respond?
�
�In any thread, someone must, of necessity "get the last word".
�Dr. Chung has amply demonstrated that he will not be outdone
�in this respect.
�
�12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
�----------------------------------------------
�You are probably referring to an "Ad Hominem" _argument_, which
�attempts to disprove an adversary's fact by personal attack on
�the adversary. An example would be "You are opposed to the
�Two Pound Diet because you are anti-Christian".
�When someone misbehaves, for example lies or distorts what
�someone else is saying, it is not an "ad hominem attack" to
�call them on it. It is a legitimate social sanction.
�
�There are also, unfortunately too often, simple personal
�attacks and insults on both sides. While we can all wish
�it weren't so, it is simply human nature when an argument
�becomes heated or the other person is obviously not arguing
�in good faith. If you are distressed by this, see the next
�question.
�
�13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
�--------------------------------
�There is no reason why you have to see it. Just as you can
�change the TV channel if you don't like a show, you can killfile
�a poster or thread you don't want to see. See the manual
�that came with your Usenet reader for directions on how to do it.
�
�Before you do this, however, you may wish to consider if a truer
�picture of the world is not gained by seeing all that goes on -
�both the good and the bad.
�
�14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
�-------------------------------
�The Two pound Diet is a diet which Dr. Chung "invented". It�s only
�rule is to restrict yourself to two pounds of food per day. That�s it.
�Doesn�t matter if you are a 16 year old girl or an 80 year old man; a
�5� 2" woman or a 7� man; a weight lifter or a mattress tester. Two
�pounds. That�s it. No more, less if you want. One size fits all.
�
�Oh, and the food? Whatever you want: two pounds of lettuce, two pounds
�of ice cream, two pounds of celery, two pounds of bacon, two pounds of
�chocolate, two pounds of peanuts... doesn�t matter. Mix and match.
�Just keep it under two pounds.
�
�Dr. Chung�s claim is that this magical weight of food, this universal
�gustatory constant will cause everyone to arrive at and maintain their
�ideal weight. His scientific basis for this claim: none. The proof he
�offers: none. Studies supporting this claim: none. Nutritional
�explanation: none. Metabolic explanation: none.
�
�And this from a doctor who expects people to take him seriously on
�other issues.
�
�15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
�---------------------------------------------------
�Dr. Chung says it is because being overweight is a risk factor for
�heart problems and therefore discussion of the Two Pound Diet is On
�Topic. However criticism of the Two Pound Diet is Off Topic as is
�discussion of any other diet.
�
�As with religion, Dr. Chung takes every opportunity to introduce the
�Two Pound Diet (2PD) into any other thread. In addition Mu trolls
�other newsgroups, particularly the diet groups looking for
�opportunities to introduce the 2PD in these groups and then cross post
�the resulting discussion back to s.m.c so that Dr. Chung can
�disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
�
�Since Dr. Chung and Mu have been laughed off of these other groups and
�have been asked repeatedly not to bring up the 2PD in them,
�participants of these groups are understandably angered when it happens
�yet again� and, because of Mu�s cross-posting, all their anger spills
�back into s.m.c.
�
�Another reason for ongoing 2PD discussions is Dr. Chung�s habit of
�researching anyone who criticizes the 2PD and then cross-posting his
�responses back to other groups which the critic has been found to
�frequent. He disingenuously claims that he does this as a
�"convenience" to the critic, but his true reasons are transparent.
�Once again, the cross-post generates a firestorm in s.m.c.
�
�The bottom line is that if the Two Pound Diet is "On Topic" for
�anyone, it is "On Topic" for everyone... including it's critics.
�If it is "Off Topic", it should not be continually re-introduced
�by Dr. Chung.
�
�16. Who is Mu?
�--------------
�Mu is a longtime Usenet Troll who has even merited his own FAQ. He
�postures as some kind of personal physical trainer, but who really
�knows? He has allied himself with Dr. Chung and serves as the "Bad Cop"
�in the Chung - Mu "Good Cop - Bad Cop" routine. He specializes in the
�short, nasty one-liner and, because unlike Dr. Chung, he has no
�reputation to protect, he can afford to be much more direct and
�offensive.
�
�Mu parrots an even meaner-spirited version of Dr. Chung�s
�"Christianity" and does not hesitate to employ anti-Semitism and
�homophobia in his attacks.
�
�Naturally, most people would have long ago killfiled Mu, so he changes
�his handle on an almost daily basis.
�
�17. What is Mu�s Role?
�----------------------
�Mu�s role is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets a reaction, to
�cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung can disingenuously
�claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
�
�Mu is also responsible for pitching softballs to Dr. Chung so he can
�hit them out of the park, and for re-introducing religion and the Two
�Pound Diet should the discussion flag.
�
�Finally, Mu�s role is to tirelessly wear down unsuspecting Dr. Chung
�critics, deflecting the blows that would otherwise be aimed at Dr.
�Chung. He is Dr. Chung�s Internet equivalent of the "rope-a-dope".
�Insults roll off him like water off a duck as do attempts to reason
�with him or even have a civil discussion.
�
�Most people have learned to ignore him and his comment is usually the
�last one in any thread sub-tree where it appears.
�
�Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under advisement.
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It's already snapped. The best thing for him is that he so totally
flips he gets involuntarily committed. I only hope he doesn't harm
anybody else when it happens.
>PDW
Be sure to thank GOD for arranging that test for you so that He is
more likely to help you pass it. Remember that simply looking at your
neighbor's wife lustfully means you have committed adultery with her
in your heart.
Meanwhile, H.O. continues to not handle reality very well:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5e9da1da95fa7f58?
With all due respect, can you John Locke, publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
using your mouth?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
>Be sure to
stop harassing others, and above all: do stop harrassing ill people!
--
Hamer's willige Helfer
And since when should anyone care what a ho has to say about
anything?
Oh, sorry..I forgot they're the only women you see these days, Andy.
And have you sent the child support yet?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
We don't, we think you are a joke.
> And have you sent the child support yet?
Ask one of those who could be father to you child,
don't bludge off the rest of us, you parasite.
> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
--
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e2f3ee0d9928ae66?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Panama Floyd, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Yeah, yeah...BTHT.
So, how ya been, Andy? Any celebrities on your diet yet?
-PF, Atl.
2015/KoBAAWA!
"Andrew B. Chung" lost the argument by posting it's usual copy & paste job.
O.
<snip nothing of value>
> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > when should anyone care what a ho has to say about anything?
> >
>
> We don't, we think you are a joke.
As one of the ho's you don't get a vote, falsenuts.
What a coincidence, we think the same thing of you, Failednuts.
<Snip crap>
PDW
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be560056c6c1a223?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Again, may GOD give you, Olrik, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
snip crap
Bottom line concerning you:
http://www.jackanapes.ws/graph/pastorio.jpg
-PF, Atl.
2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
You're a complete failure.
O.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be560056c6c1a223?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
snip
Why ain't you in church, boy? Baby Jesus gonna fry your ass...
Just don't go to Woodstock. Cops gonna fry your ass...
-PF, Atl.
etc.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e2f3ee0d9928ae66?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Panama Floyd, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
> Bottom line concerning you:
You are too proud to love people as they are.
--
monkfish
> Bottom line concerning you:
You just don't know how to show Godly love.
--
monkfish
> Bottom line concerning you:
You don't know how to love your neighbor.
--
monkfish
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cac0d4c125e6cae2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
> Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
> haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break from
> reality:
I still love you.
Can you publicly say "I love you"?
--
monkfish
snip
Bottom line concerning *you*:
http://www.jackanapes.ws/graph/pastorio.jpg
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His moving you
to write that.
With all due respect, can you, Monkfish, now publicly say "Jesus is
LORD" using your mouth?
Love in the truth,
Amazing that the Chungster can type that while wallowing in hate and
delusion.
PDW
>On Aug 30, 12:31�pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
There are too many Christians like him incapable of understanding the
world outside Christianity.
He's just more psychopathic than most,
>PDW
With more than all due respect, can you, Paul, publicly say "Jesus is
LORD" using your mouth?
Love in the truth,
And he has been for years.
PDW
I could, but my parents taught me not to lie.
PDW
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
>> > haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break from
>> > reality:
>>
>> I still love you.
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His moving you
> to write that.
Can you publicly say "I love you all"?
--
monkfish
"..the police came through, they said `Where's Jimmy Jazz?' I said `he
ain't here-but he *sure* went past..."
-PF, Atl.
2015/KoBAAWA!
EAT MORE FOOD!
Lie.
Teaching enables rather than disables.
Again, with more than all due respect, can you, Paul, publicly say
"Jesus is LORD" using your mouth?
Love in the truth,
Always the best sign andrew has lost the debate when he resorts to the
above.
So your parents taught you how to lie. Well, they did a splendid job,
you little serial liar.
Olrik
<snip usual Chung garbage>
Would say that as "This physician loves his neighbors including you
and others who have thoughts of harming him."
Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying
post-haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break from
reality:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cac0d4c125e6cae2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d0ad1468eb538ad?
May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) and would come to trust the truth, Who is
Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
>Would say that as "This physician loves his neighbors including you
>and others who have thoughts of harming him."
This, again, is a cheap trick. The key is to makes others do something. This
action is something the cheater has caused. He has put his will superior of the
will of others, because it is HIM who made them do it.
Andrew Ben-Hua Chung, your tricks are so lousy stupid, it is a shame.
.
--
Leben und Sterben im Pazifik
ROFL! The guy's sticking up for Earthquack now? That boy's so dumb we
need a new word for it.
-PF, Atl.
etc.
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> monkfish wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
>>>> > haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break from
>>>> > reality:
>>>>
>>>> I still love you.
>>>
>>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His moving you
>>> to write that.
>>
>> Can you publicly say "I love you all"?
>
> Would say that as "This physician loves his neighbors including you
> and others who have thoughts of harming him."
Too proud to say exactly as you were asked?
--
monkfish
There is wisdom in being mindful of WDJW instead of Monkfish.
Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break from
reality:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cac0d4c125e6cae2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote
>> > monkfish wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>> monkfish wrote:
>> >>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying
>> >>>> > post- haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break
>> >>>> > from reality:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I still love you.
>> >>>
>> >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His moving you
>> >>> to write that.
>> >>
>> >> Can you publicly say "I love you all"?
>> >
>> > Would say that as "This physician loves his neighbors including you
>> > and others who have thoughts of harming him."
>>
>> Too proud to say exactly as you were asked?
>
> There is wisdom in being mindful of WDJW instead of Monkfish.
You do not show any fruit of the Spirit.
Stop lying to yourself and pray
"Dear Lord help me be humble."
--
monkfish
yes, you do, Chungster.
> Teaching enables rather than disables.
>
Yep. True knowledge would open that cement pit you call a mind real
quick.
Must be why you avoid it like the plauge.
> Again, with more than all due respect, can you, Paul, publicly say
> "Jesus is LORD" using your mouth?
>
>
Again, Chungster, sure, but I was taught not to lie.
PDW
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cac0d4c125e6cae2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d0ad1468eb538ad?
May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) and would come to trust the truth, Who is
> Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying
> post-haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break from
> reality:
You sound desperate.
Can you publicly say "God is real"?
--
monkfish
Yes, this physician is able to recognize fruits of the Spirit. One
such fruit of the Holy Spirit is publicly saying "Jesus is LORD" using
ones mouth (1 Cor 12:3 and Romans 10:9).
>Can you publicly write "I love all people"?
Yes.
"I love all people."
Now, can you, Monkfish, publicly say "Jesus is LORD" using your mouth?
Jesus is Lord.
God is love.
If you know what that means,
you would stop asking people
to say your superstitious mantra.
Can you publicly write "God is love"?
Without quotation marks, please.
--
monkfish
Being able to type it is not the same as being able to say "Jesus is
LORD" using your mouth.
If you truly believe in your heart that GOD raised Jesus from the dead
(Romans 10:9) then please kindly allow this physician to hear you say
"Jesus is LORD" via the voicemail accessible at the number given at
the bottom of the following web site:
(If being caller ID'd is a concern, there is always *67 before dialing
the number)
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> > Now, can you, Monkfish, publicly say "Jesus is LORD" using your mouth?
>>
>> Jesus is Lord.
>
> Being able to type it is not the same as being able to say "Jesus is
> LORD" using your mouth.
I'm not buying your superstition.
You can say "Jesus is Lord" all you want.
So long as you are too proud and arrogant
to listen to other people,
you don't love them.
God is love.
If you understand what that means,
you would not even dream of asking them
to say your superstitious mantra.
Especially never in sci.med.cardiology.
Can you publicly write "God is love"?
--
monkfish
Your fingers being different from your mouth is not superstition.
Again, if you truly believe in your heart that GOD raised Jesus from
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > monkfish wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, can you, Monkfish, publicly say "Jesus is LORD" using your
>> >> > mouth?
>> >>
>> >> Jesus is Lord.
>> >
>> > Being able to type it is not the same as being able to say "Jesus is
>> > LORD" using your mouth.
>>
>> I'm not buying your superstition.
>
> Your fingers being different from your mouth is not superstition.
I'm not buying your superstition.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8d06d19f8869da55?
> A Spirit-guided WDJW thought about the love GOD has placed in this
> physician's heart:
Matthew 20:27-28 (New International Version)
[quote]
27and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28just as the Son of Man
did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom
for many."
[/quote]
Are you here to serve?
Can you publicly write "I'm here to serve"?
--
monkfish
Being mindful of WDJW allows those of us, who are Christians (either
Jew or gentile), to serve the risen LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the Son
of Man and GOD.
Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break from
reality:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cac0d4c125e6cae2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > A Spirit-guided WDJW thought about the love GOD has placed in this
>> > physician's heart:
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8d06d19f8869da55?
>>
>> Matthew 20:27-28 (New International Version)
>> [quote]
>> 27and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28just as the Son of
>> Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a
>> ransom for many."
>> [/quote]
>>
>> Are you here to serve?
>
> Being mindful of WDJW allows those of us, who are Christians (either
> Jew or gentile), to serve the risen LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the Son
> of Man and GOD.
Too arrogant to serve others?
--
monkfish
Your question indicates you are clueless about the fact that it is
when we serve the LORD that we are serving others instead of self.
Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying
post-haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break from
reality:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cac0d4c125e6cae2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d0ad1468eb538ad?
May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) and would come to trust the truth, Who is
> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> monkfish wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > A Spirit-guided WDJW thought about the love GOD has placed in this
>>>> > physician's heart:
>>>> >
>>>> >
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8d06d19f8869da55?
>>>>
>>>> Matthew 20:27-28 (New International Version)
>>>> [quote]
>>>> 27and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28just as the Son
>>>> of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as
>>>> a ransom for many."
>>>> [/quote]
>>>>
>>>> Are you here to serve?
>>>
>>> Being mindful of WDJW allows those of us, who are Christians (either
>>> Jew or gentile), to serve the risen LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the Son
>>> of Man and GOD.
>>
>>Too arrogant to serve others?
>
> Your question indicates you are clueless about the fact that it is
> when we serve the LORD that we are serving others instead of self.
You misunderstood.
We serve God when we serve others.
--
monkfish
Lie because others would include satan.
Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
haste before you start believing the lies and suffer a break from
reality:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cac0d4c125e6cae2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
You misunderstood.
In this context, 'others' means other human beings.
--
monkfish
Pathological liars are both children of satan and human beings.
Serving satan's children would also not be serving GOD.
Is that what Satan tells you to say?
Is that why you keep on asking people
to say your superstitious mantra?
Can you publicly write "I'm not God"?
--
monkfish
True Christians simply desire to do what GOD wants :-)
It is reasonable to suspect that those who do not desire to do what
GOD wants are not true Christians.
The love those of us who are true Christians (either Jew or gentile)
have in our hearts for GOD fuels the desire to do what GOD wants.
May GOD give you, neighbor, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
Andrew Chung is a spammer and a moron.
Anybody who quotes mindlessly from *the bible* is a moron.
Same as anybody who quotes sayings, there is a saying for every
situation and another one to counter it.
It proves NOTHING to back up your thinking with a saying or a quote
if
the saying or the quote isn't logical.
Andrew Chung, my advice to you is to go and study some LOGIC.
Forget the religion because we know that EVERY religion claims to be
the RIGHT ONE -- but they can't all be right.
Think about it Andrew.
If you have the qualifications you claim to have, then you must have
done some research and passed some tests.
Why are you so mindless when it comes to religion?
Did your parents force you to go to church, have you been mind
controlled?
Or maybe you're not really who you say you are, but rather some
pharmaceutical dupe who is in this group to "deny, distract and
decoy"
from alternative health --- hmmm?
carole
www.cellsalts.net
www.conspiracee.com
carole
>True Christians simply desire to do what GOD wants :-)
For mass murder? Like god did so many times before?
Better read the bible!
Gott demoliert Jericho und t�tet die Einwohner
(frei nach Josua, Kap. 6)
Sodann sprach er noch: 'Bauverbot,
sonst schlag ich eure S�hne tot.'
So zogen sie von Ort zu Ort
und �bten sich in Massenmord."
--
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Your name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit has convicted you.
May GOD give you, Carole, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e444a7f27fc8ae79?
Truth is reality ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
... despite your efforts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3160f9fd903ab7c2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Ken, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20
> Bottom line concerning you:
Philippians 2:1-4 (New International Version)
[quote]
1If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any
comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness
and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the
same love, being one in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish
ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than
yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but
also to the interests of others.
[/quote]
Can you publicly write you are here in humility
to consider others better than yourself?
--
monkfish
This physician did not breathe the Bible into existence:
"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his
friends." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 15:13)
Amen.
True love is this greater love that Jesus has shown us.
Therefore, true love is selfless love.
Again, those who selflessly love GOD can publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
using their mouth.
Now once more, with all due respect, can you, Monkfish, publicly say
"Jesus is LORD" using your mouth thereby showing all that you have
been born of GOD and know GOD?
> Bottom line concerning you:
>
Andrew B. Chung is INSANE. He is a Supreme Egoist. He has NO
spirituality or humanity, nothing but EGO.
All EGO all the time. ZERO spirituality. And he never will.
Opposites Attract...
It is quite common for such people to be attracted to that which is
most opposite from them. Jesus and spirituality.
But camels will fly through the eye of a needle and cows will jump over
the moon before even a glint of the Holy Spirit enters the body of a
total EGOIST like Chung. Such people are evil and DANGEROUS.
Stay far away. ��WARNING����WARNING��WARNING��WARNING��
DO NOT FEED SICK ASSHOLE TROLLS.
There is NOTHING anyone can do for Chung. His condition is far beyond
any help. A diamond hard egoist, like Chung, is "always right", and
everyone else is "always wrong" in the delusional world they live in.
Soon enough, such defective people are cleaned from this world, usually
by violence or horible disease. Such people are DANGEROUS.. Stay far
away. ��WARNING����WARNING��WARNING��WARNING��
Everyone familiar with Andrew B. Chung knows he is a sick asshole. Even
his parents. He knows he is a sick asshole. There is NOTHING
"spiritual" or "religious" about him. He has absolutely NO HOPE of real
spirituality.
In fact, he is the opposite of spirituality, ALL EGO, and NOTHING BUT
EGO. Chung has no real friends, and never will. No one wants to be
around a TOTAL ASSHOLE. His only hope is to try to learn how real
humans behave by observation, then pretend to be like them.
He will always be a total asshole, but he will learn to hide it and
fake being like a real human. He will not fool a real human for long,
but will have something that resembles a human life. There is no
other way for him. His condition (total arrogance) is permanent.
Camels will fly through the eye of a needle before he even reach
spiritual kindergarden. his life will go badly, and end ugly.
A total egoist will NEVER admit to any imperfection, but Chung knows
that every word of the above is true.
-GSI
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a2f7ee7e467a65fc?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, GSI, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20