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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 28, 2009, 7:31:00 PM7/28/09
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"MY people are destroyed from lack of knowledge." -- GOD (Hosea 4:6)

What led to the downfall of Adam and Eve was not gaining knowledge of
good and evil but from being tempted into thinking they needed to
acquire knowledge of good and evil by eating the forbidden fruit of
knowledge of good and evil instead of learning from GOD about good and
evil (Genesis 3).

Falling into temptation (confusing wants with needs) is not an
excusable reason for the sin of disobedience.

"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic at any time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks in our local communities for the
probable eventuality of a deadlier Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?

Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?

Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

monkfish

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Jul 28, 2009, 9:09:38 PM7/28/09
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> "MY people are destroyed from lack of knowledge." -- GOD (Hosea 4:6)
>
> What led to the downfall of Adam and Eve was not gaining knowledge of
> good and evil but from being tempted into thinking they needed to
> acquire knowledge of good and evil by eating the forbidden fruit of
> knowledge of good and evil instead of learning from GOD about good and
> evil (Genesis 3).
>
> Falling into temptation (confusing wants with needs) is not an
> excusable reason for the sin of disobedience.
>
> "The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
> LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)


Do you really think
salvation is about gaining knowledge?
How many modes of knowledge do you have?

--
monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 28, 2009, 10:49:09 PM7/28/09
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monkfish wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > "MY people are destroyed from lack of knowledge." -- GOD (Hosea 4:6)
> >
> > What led to the downfall of Adam and Eve was not gaining knowledge of
> > good and evil but from being tempted into thinking they needed to
> > acquire knowledge of good and evil by eating the forbidden fruit of
> > knowledge of good and evil instead of learning from GOD about good and
> > evil (Genesis 3).
> >
> > Falling into temptation (confusing wants with needs) is not an
> > excusable reason for the sin of disobedience.
> >
> > "The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
> > LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
>
> Do you really think
> salvation is about gaining knowledge?

You would not be asking this if you had viewed **and** understood the
following that has been given to you several times by this gentile
disciple of Jesus Christ:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven

Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
haste:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2d91eed97ca3ad73?

There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of the acronym WDJW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_does_Jesus_want%3F

monkfish

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Jul 28, 2009, 11:12:41 PM7/28/09
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > "MY people are destroyed from lack of knowledge." -- GOD (Hosea 4:6)
>> >
>> > What led to the downfall of Adam and Eve was not gaining knowledge of
>> > good and evil but from being tempted into thinking they needed to
>> > acquire knowledge of good and evil by eating the forbidden fruit of
>> > knowledge of good and evil instead of learning from GOD about good and
>> > evil (Genesis 3).
>> >
>> > Falling into temptation (confusing wants with needs) is not an
>> > excusable reason for the sin of disobedience.
>> >
>> > "The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
>> > LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
>>
>> Do you really think
>> salvation is about gaining knowledge?
>
> You would not be asking this if you had viewed **and** understood the
> following that has been given to you several times by this gentile
> disciple of Jesus Christ:
> http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven


I'm not going to bother to read it
unless you appear to understand that
you are not supposed to know that you are saved,
but supposed to have faith in your salvation.

--
monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 29, 2009, 12:27:52 AM7/29/09
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It is knowledge of salvation that is Biblical (Luke 1:77) and not
faith in salvation.

monkfish

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Jul 29, 2009, 9:45:38 AM7/29/09
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You misunderstood.
It's talking about knowing how to be saved,
not knowing that you are saved.

Are you trying to get the license to kill or something?

--
monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 29, 2009, 10:19:00 AM7/29/09
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In the Holy Spirit, there is no misunderstanding.

Instead, the misunderstanding is yours because you have only the
spirit of error (self) to guide you.

>It's talking about knowing how to be saved,
>not knowing that you are saved.

Incorrect.

Only the LORD knows how to give His eternal forgiveness and thereby
saves people from the wages of sin by giving eternal life (John 3:16).
The most we can hope for is knowing that we are saved by Him.

"And you, my child, will be called a prophet of the Most High;
for you will go on before the LORD to prepare the way for Him,
to give His people the knowledge of salvation
through the forgiveness of their sins,
because of the tender mercy of our GOD,
by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven
to shine on those living in darkness
and in the shadow of death,
to guide our feet into the path of peace." (Luke 1:76-79)

>Are you trying to get the license to kill or something?

Your asking that question simply shows again that there is no truth in
you.

If you were saved by Jesus, born again of water and Spirit, thereby a
new creature in Him, you would know it as Darren clearly knows it:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BethAdonai/Darren

Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying
post-haste:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2d91eed97ca3ad73?

There is true joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

May GOD soften your heart, Monkfish, so that you would be born again
of "water and Spirit" (John 3:5 referring to Ezekiel 11:19-20 and
36:26) and come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor

and Author of the WDJW acronym:

monkfish

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Jul 29, 2009, 10:42:08 AM7/29/09
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Have you read it?

"to give His people the knowledge of salvation
through the forgiveness of their sins,"

Does that sound like knowing that you are saved
or knowing how you are saved?

--
monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 29, 2009, 10:55:28 AM7/29/09
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Yes with understanding that can come only from the Holy Spirit.

> "to give His people the knowledge of salvation
> through the forgiveness of their sins,"
>
>Does that sound like knowing that you are saved
>or knowing how you are saved?

Those who don't know they are saved (i.e. they presently are not born
again) like you continue to be among those "living in darkness and in
the shadow of death" while those of us born again of water and Spirit
have light from heaven to guide our "feet into the path of peace" as
clearly evident for Darren, who truly lets all know he is saved as he
declares with his mouth that "Jesus is LORD"

Jimmy Alpha

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Jul 29, 2009, 11:09:04 AM7/29/09
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sightwalker with a phd wrote:
> monkfish wrote:
>> sightwalker with a phd wrote:
>>> monkfish wrote:
>>>> sightwalker with a phd wrote:
>>>>> monkfish wrote:
>>>>>> sightwalker with a phd wrote:
>>>>>>> monkfish wrote:

*PRIDE*

Jimmy Alpha

monkfish

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Jul 29, 2009, 11:12:35 AM7/29/09
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Read it again and again,
and again if necessary.
It's talking about how, in generalities.
Not about your salvation, in specifics.
Does it talk about the time and place of your salvation?

--
monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 29, 2009, 11:23:36 AM7/29/09
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No amount of reading by you (even much less by this disciple of Jesus)
will help you understand.

What you need is a new heart with Scripture written on that heart so
that you would have understanding.

Only then will you have the Holy Spirit helping you say "Jesus is
LORD" as He helps Darren:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BethAdonai/Darren

Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying
post-haste:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5e6521c2c36406ce?

There is true joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel


11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and

Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) and would come to trust the truth, Who is

monkfish

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Jul 29, 2009, 11:57:11 AM7/29/09
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You are so special just because you think so, is that it?

Ezekiel 36:26-28 (New International Version)
[quote]
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove
from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will
put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to
keep my laws. 28 You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you
will be my people, and I will be your God.
[/quote]

Did you read it?
"I will put my Spirit in you":
What did you do with the Spirit?
Replace it with that of the Accuser?
"[A]nd be careful to keep my laws."
Stop bearing false witness against the Chrsitians here.

--
monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 29, 2009, 2:59:03 PM7/29/09
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Unlike you, Darren is special because he is born again and knows it:

monkfish

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Jul 29, 2009, 5:14:41 PM7/29/09
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Does that mean he cannot sin
no matter what he does?
Why don't you ask him?

--
monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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monkfish wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d3b2542ecc732cb?

>
> Does that mean he cannot sin
> no matter what he does?

No.

Simply look at how Michael Christ is sinning in his not doing what GOD
wants though he is born again as evident by the Holy Spirit helping
him say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth:

"Monkfish is a snake." -- Michael Christ in a phone conversation with
this physician, who replied that we should pray for you.

Only those who are mindful of WDJW thereby becoming Jesus' disciples
(either Jew or gentile) are able to stop sinning because they have
GOD's help toward becoming perfect.

"Be perfect for your Father in Heaven is perfect." -- LORD Jesus
Christ to His disciples

Amen.

Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
haste:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2d91eed97ca3ad73?

There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and

Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor

and Author of the acronym WDJW:

Jimmy Alpha

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sightwalker with a phd wrote:
> monkfish wrote:
>> sightwalker with a phd wrote:
> "Monkfish is a snake." -- Michael Christ in a phone conversation with
> this physician

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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You, Jimmy, remain a faux-christian (wolf in sheep clothing):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/19c1cc01655eb4a8?

There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

May GOD soften your heart, Jimmy, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor

and Author of the WDJW acronym:

monkfish

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d3b2542ecc732cb?
>>
>> Does that mean he cannot sin
>> no matter what he does?
>
> No.
>
> Simply look at how Michael Christ is sinning in his not doing what GOD
> wants though he is born again as evident by the Holy Spirit helping
> him say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth:
>
> "Monkfish is a snake." -- Michael Christ in a phone conversation with
> this physician, who replied that we should pray for you.
>
> Only those who are mindful of WDJW thereby becoming Jesus' disciples
> (either Jew or gentile) are able to stop sinning because they have
> GOD's help toward becoming perfect.
>
> "Be perfect for your Father in Heaven is perfect." -- LORD Jesus
> Christ to His disciples


Perfectly clueless, aren't you?

--
monkfish

Jimmy Alpha

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Sightwalker with a phd wrote:
> You, Jimmy, remain a faux-christian (wolf in sheep clothing):

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would

not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/19c1cc01655eb4a8?

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would

not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> May GOD soften your heart, Jimmy, so that you would come to trust the
> truth, Who is Jesus:

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would

not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> http://T3WiJ.com

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> Amen.

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> Love in the truth,

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> Andrew <><

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would

not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> Board-certified Heart Doctor

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> and Author of the WDJW acronym:

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would

not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_does_Jesus_want%3F

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
> 12:3)
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would

not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would

not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would

not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

"If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would
not* use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third
person. It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of
revenge. In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we
can see he can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

Jimmy Alpha

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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monkfish wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > monkfish wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d3b2542ecc732cb?
> >>
> >> Does that mean he cannot sin
> >> no matter what he does?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > Simply look at how Michael Christ is sinning in his not doing what GOD
> > wants though he is born again as evident by the Holy Spirit helping
> > him say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth:
> >
> > "Monkfish is a snake." -- Michael Christ in a phone conversation with
> > this physician, who replied that we should pray for you.
> >
> > Only those of us who are mindful of WDJW thereby becoming Jesus' disciples
> > (either Jew or gentile) are able to stop sinning because we have

> > GOD's help toward becoming perfect.
> >
> > "Be perfect for your Father in Heaven is perfect." -- LORD Jesus
> > Christ to His disciples
>
> Amen.

>
> Perfectly clueless, aren't you?

Would not have either an MD or a PhD much less both if that were true.

Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
haste:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5e6521c2c36406ce?

monkfish

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> monkfish wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > monkfish wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d3b2542ecc732cb?
>> >>
>> >> Does that mean he cannot sin
>> >> no matter what he does?
>> >
>> > No.
>> >
>> > Simply look at how Michael Christ is sinning in his not doing what GOD
>> > wants though he is born again as evident by the Holy Spirit helping
>> > him say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth:
>> >
>> > "Monkfish is a snake." -- Michael Christ in a phone conversation with
>> > this physician, who replied that we should pray for you.
>> >
>> > Only those of us who are mindful of WDJW thereby becoming Jesus'
>> > disciples (either Jew or gentile) are able to stop sinning because we
>> > have GOD's help toward becoming perfect.
>> >
>> > "Be perfect for your Father in Heaven is perfect." -- LORD Jesus
>> > Christ to His disciples
>>
>> Amen.
>>
>> Perfectly clueless, aren't you?
>
> Would not have either an MD or a PhD much less both if that were true.


Incredible.
We were talking about Christianity, not about cardiology.
Were you born with your deficiency in common sense?

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monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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monkfish wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > monkfish wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > monkfish wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d3b2542ecc732cb?
> >> >>
> >> >> Does that mean he cannot sin
> >> >> no matter what he does?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >> >
> >> > Simply look at how Michael Christ is sinning in his not doing what GOD
> >> > wants though he is born again as evident by the Holy Spirit helping
> >> > him say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth:
> >> >
> >> > "Monkfish is a snake." -- Michael Christ in a phone conversation with
> >> > this physician, who replied that we should pray for you.
> >> >
> >> > Only those of us who are mindful of WDJW thereby becoming Jesus'
> >> > disciples (either Jew or gentile) are able to stop sinning because we
> >> > have GOD's help toward becoming perfect.
> >> >
> >> > "Be perfect for your Father in Heaven is perfect." -- LORD Jesus
> >> > Christ to His disciples
> >>
> >> Amen.
> >>
> >> Perfectly clueless, aren't you?
> >
> > Would not have either an MD or a PhD much less both if that were true.
>
> Incredible.

Not for the discerning.

> We were talking about Christianity, not about cardiology.

We have been writing about knowledge (see subject line).

> Were you born with your deficiency in common sense?

Your asking this question of a physician whom you don't know simply
shows yet again that there is no truth in you.

Michael Christ

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Andrew Chung wrote:
> > You, Jimmy, remain a faux-christian (wolf in sheep clothing):

Jimmy wrote:
> "If sightwalker was lead by the Holy Spirit we can be sure he *would not*
> use your name or the name of anyone else to try hurting a third person.
> It's easy to see Andrew B. used your conversation as a means of revenge.
> In my opinion Andrew B. shouldn't be trusted with anything, we can see he
> can't be trusted with even the littlest things."

Amen, now he needs to wake up to himself post haste!!

Now I know why the Holy Spirit led me not to have further conversation with
this faux-disciple, 'HeartDoc' Andrew.

Not a good spiritual cardiologist by a long shot.

I am dismayed and disgusted by the betrayal, but that pales into
insignificance when you see Andrew's attempt to try and justify himself.

It is a very very ugly sight, and the smell is atrocious!!

Michael Christ


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Mike McClean wrote:

> You are untrustworthy, Andrew, no matter how many times you say "Andrew, in
> the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:" and say, "Jesus is Lord".

Indeed, the only One Who is trustworthy is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Now, back to the question you have been avoiding:

> > "Ok, there are eleven men in a night-time camp with the Messiah
> > making twelve men total and you are to walk up to Christ Jesus and hug Him
> > without saying a word to anyone.

> > How would you identify Him from among the eleven in order to go to
> > Him directly to hug Him in the dark?" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ef704276e5821b33?

May you not be left behind, Mike.

Love in the truth,

HeartDoc Andrew <><


--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

A gentile disciple of Jesus Christ
able to recognize the Messiah
even at night in the dark.

monkfish

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What is the last book you read on theology?

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monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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That would be the first and last and only theology textbook that this
disciple's Teacher requires.

Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying

post-haste:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5e6521c2c36406ce?

There is true joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and

Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) and would come to trust the truth, Who is
Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor

and Author of the WDJW acronym:

monkfish

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Incredible.
Ever bothered to learn the original languages used?

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monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Such are miracles from the perspective faux-christians like you.

>Ever bothered to learn the original languages used?

When GOD wrote down Scriptures on this disciple of Jesus' heart, He
did it in His language, which is the original language He used when He
spoke everything into existence.

monkfish

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Fascinating.
Is the language of God rather like English?

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monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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>> Such are miracles from the perspective of faux-christians like you.

>>
>>>Ever bothered to learn the original languages used?
>>
>> When GOD wrote down Scriptures on this disciple of Jesus' heart, He
>> did it in His language, which is the original language He used when He
>> spoke everything into existence.
>
>Fascinating.

That would be GOD :-)

>Is the language of God rather like English?

No.

When spoken, the language of GOD is understandable by all creation.

Michael Christ

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Michael Christ wrote:
>> You are untrustworthy, Andrew, no matter how many times you say "Andrew,
>> >> in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:" and say, "Jesus is Lord".

Andrew wrote:
> Indeed, the only One Who is trustworthy is Jesus:

I agree, that is why it is an imperative to be born again of His Spirit.

And since no trustworthiness comes through you, you are no disciple of the
Lord, much less born again.

If you are as stable minded as you claim, Andrew, you should be able to see
that logic.

Michael Christ

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Mike McClean wrote:

> Mike McClean wrote:
>
>>> You are untrustworthy, Andrew, no matter how many times you say "Andrew,
>>> in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:" and say, "Jesus is Lord".
>
>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Indeed, the only One Who is trustworthy is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

>I agree, that is why it is an imperative to be born again of His Spirit.

Just as being born the first time was not an act of our own free will,
neither was our being born again (John 3:5) our own doing.

Now, back to the question you have been avoiding:

> > "Ok, there are eleven men in a night-time camp with the Messiah
> > making twelve men total and you are to walk up to Christ Jesus and hug Him
> > without saying a word to anyone.
> > How would you identify Him from among the eleven in order to go to
> > Him directly to hug Him in the dark?" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ef704276e5821b33?

May GOD renew and strengthen your mind about knowing what is right
(Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to reign in your
deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue
sinning.

monkfish

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Rather like pain?

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monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Pain is not spoken.

tr...@finder.com

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> Dr. Chung do you sin?

"No."

> Please provide examples of how often

"Zero."

> and of what kind?

"None."

The word of the Lord in measure of the above:

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
us.

My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin;
but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for
ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0edb89599717cae5?

<><

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

monkfish

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Does God speak literally?

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monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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There is no reason to doubt what is written in the Bible.

Would continue to gently suggest that you, Monkfish, stop lying post-
haste:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5e6521c2c36406ce?

There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

May GOD give you, Monkfish, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and

Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor

and Author of the acronym WDJW:

Michael Christ

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Michael Christ wrote:
>You are untrustworthy, Andrew, no matter how many times you say
>"Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:" and say, "Jesus is Lord".

Andrew wrote:
>Indeed, the only One Who is trustworthy is Jesus:

Michael Christ wrote:
>I agree, that is why it is an imperative to be born again of His Spirit.

Andrew wrote:
> Just as being born the first time was not an act of our own free will,
> neither was our being born again (John 3:5) our own doing.

Of course. :-).

Twisting the context is twisting the context and is sneaky, Andrew, not of
the Holy Spirit.

This is the context...

"And since no trustworthiness comes through you, you are no disciple of the
Lord, much less born again.

If you are as stable minded as you claim, Andrew, you should be able to see
that logic."

Andrew, you do not have a stable mind. Stability in being able to take in
information is not the same as stability in Spirit, which is what really
matters.

Can you claim stability in Spirit when you betray someone? Can a person
find peace in the spirit of error?

Just trying to help your perishing soul, at great risk of being left behind,
Andrew

Michael Christ


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Now, back to the question you have been avoiding since your writing
that you can identify Christ Jesus in the dark:

> > "Ok, there are eleven men in a night-time camp with the Messiah
> > making twelve men total and you are to walk up to Christ Jesus and hug Him
> > without saying a word to anyone.

> > How would you identify Him from among the eleven in order to go to
> > Him directly to hug Him in the dark?" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ef704276e5821b33?

May GOD renew and strengthen your mind about knowing what is right

(Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your


deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue
sinning.

Amen.

Michael Christ

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I am not answerable to you Andrew. You would think that would be plain and
simple by now, but you are unstable.

Jesus is Lord, not Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD self proclaimed "amazingly nice"
HeartDoc.

"It is hard for you to kick against the pricks", Andrew.


Michael Christ

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monkfish

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You mean the Holy Spirit is not talking to you in person?

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Michael Christ

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You betrayed me, Andrew, for a bowl of soup.


Michael Christ


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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Michael Christ wrote:
>
> You betrayed me, Andrew, for a bowl of soup.

Siding with the truth is not betrayal of those who stray from Him.

Michael Christ

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Why do you ignore the fact that you betrayed me, Andrew?

Is the Lord blind?


Michael Christ

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Bottom line concerning you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/13bd7f30793258d2?

May GOD renew and strengthen your mind about knowing what is right
(Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your
deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue
sinning.

Amen.

Love in the truth,

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
A gentile disciple of Jesus Christ
able to recognize the Messiah

even in the dark of night.

Jimmy Alpha

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Bottom line

Andy is a liar.
Jimmy Alpha

Leeerooy Jenkins

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> "MY people are destroyed from lack of knowledge." -- GOD (Hosea 4:6)
>
> What led to the downfall of Adam and Eve

There was no Adam and Eve. What are you, retarded?

Andrew Chung:

Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)

Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format lo...@thetruth.com (#
being a number)

Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days

Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals

Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website

Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)

Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.

Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto
food.

Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe

Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.

Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.

Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.

Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".

Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.

Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.

Leeerooy Jenkins

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> You would not be asking this if you had viewed **and** understood the
> following that has been given to you several times by this gentile
> disciple of Jesus Christ:

Hey, Andrew, do you have sand in your vagina again?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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You, Jimmy, remain a faux-christian (wolf in sheep clothing):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/19c1cc01655eb4a8?

There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

May GOD give you, Jimmy, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel


11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><


--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of the WDJW acronym:

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