Can we get serious? One of the painful things today is the massive
failure of history teaching in the schools and colleges, so that kids
confuse Hitler's Nazis with the people who fought for freedom against
them. Stalin and Hitler forged an alliance in 1938. Had Hitler not
gone mad and invaded Stalin's Soviet Union, the Nazis and Soviets
would have gone to war against the West together. And they would have
won.
The Nazis were totalitarian romantics. That is why Hitler imitated and
glorified Richard Wagner, the Siegfried mythographer who marked the
very height of German Romanticism. That is also why the Nazis hated
both Jews and Christians, and promoted a neo-pagan religion based on
the Nordic gods and the glorification of killing and war. The Nazis
were romantics -- just like the hippies in the Sixties. They loved
going "back to nature," "the noble Savage," nudism, and the
destruction of marriage and traditional families.
Obama's former good buds Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn
[ http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2169
]
[ http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2190
]
are prototypical anarchist Romantics, people who are quite willing to
kill for their cause. Hitler's Nazis were emotional revolutionaries
with an endless craving to attack, subvert, control and co-opt all the
existing structures of society. Oh, and yes, they had a Mass Cult of
the Leader not unlike the idolatry whipped up for Barack Obama today.
Obama's "Citizens of the World!" speech in front of 200,000 cheering
Berliners had that very familiar look to it. That was not an accident,
but a deliberate PR stunt.
The best explanation of Nazism ever written is Peter Viereck's
Metapolitics: The roots of the Nazi mind. If you only give your kids
one book this year, that should be the one. Viereck's Metapolitics was
written in great fear and passion during the early days of Hitler's
rise, when the author was still a graduate student of German history,
and then revised two decades later. But it's one of those books that
remains relevant because it hits the nail on the head. You can't get
more accurate than Viereck did. A few years later Thomas Mann wrote an
Epilogue to Viereck's book, endorsing its main conclusions. They both
understood how deeply the Nazis were rooted in German history.
"Metapolitics" is the name the Nazis gave to their brand of politics,
because in their minds they were trying to change the entire world,
not just be another political party. Marxism is metapolitics; Nazism
is metapolitics. And yes, some of today's political fantasists dream
the same dreams. (Hint: Who do you think wants to revolutionize the
world today?)
Metapolitics was very controversial even after World War Two, because
it criticized European Romanticism, beloved by European and American
scholars and writers. But Peter Viereck was right and his critics were
wrong. German Romanticism of the totalitarian variety survived the
Nazis, and just re-emerged as the [Socialist] Green movement in
Europe. Nazism was always a "back to nature" movement anyway. After
the Nazis were defeated, all the Wagnerian Romantics turned into
Socialist Romantics. Often they were the very same people, like Martin
Heidegger, Paul de Man, and even Jean-Paul Sartre. The 1968 student
riots in Europe, which ultimately brought the Greens to power, were
run by anarchists identical to the Nazi rioters of the Munich beer
halls. Some of them have realized as much since that time.
Post-modernism is an attack on Western rationalism, democracy,
capitalism, free speech and free thought. It's called "Post-Modernism"
because it wants to kill modernism. Modernism stands for science,
technology, democracy, medicine and yes, bourgeois capitalism: The
keys to modern prosperity and well-being. That is why "Post-Modernism"
became so popular in our college English and History departments. That
is also why we have the "global warming" fraud, the anti-science
movements, the anti-nuclear power campaigns, the "post-modern" media
-- run by propaganda artists who were taught in college that lying for
a "good cause" was better than telling the truth. Those are the
mediots who are running our media today.
Culturally, the Nazis would have felt right at home with that attack
on Western rationalism, capitalism, and freedom of thought. It was
exactly what they wanted. The Nazis were Post-Modernists. Modernity
was their enemy. Hitler characteristically called Albert Einstein's
relativity theory "Jewish science." Back in Moscow, Jozef Stalin
promoted an attack on science by peddling fraudulent agricultural
genetics. Stalin thought he could discipline his marching ranks of
wheat stalks to grow taller by force, encouraged by his fraudulent
"geneticist" Trofim Lysenko. Both Hitler and Stalin hated real
science. They had real scientists sent to concentration camps.
The reason is of course that real science is about telling the truth.
That is why "global warming" is also a totalitarian scheme; it's
fraudulent science. It is also why the Left cannot openly debate the
pros and cons of Central Planning in American medicine. They are not
happy with searching out the truth.
And I'm afraid, that is also why Nancy Pelosi has to imagine "people
with swastikas" flooding the Town Hall meetings in America, to fight
against all the Good and Noble people like herself. Nancy is a
certifiable airhead, but the beliefs echoing in her head come from
decades of ideological indoctrination -- of the Totalitarian Romantic
kind. People like Ms. Pelosi have been given all the answers by the
ideologues of the Left. That is why their minds are shut so air
tight.
Let's not call them names, our Totalitarian Romantics [Liberal
Fascists] of today.
But let's not forget their historical antecedents either.
Hint: It's not Washington, Madison, Jefferson or Lincoln.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/nancys_nazis.html
HEIL HITLER! [get used to it.]
Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are mutually
exclusive, therefore your entire premise is a total clusterfuck of
idiocy, right? Moron
Another PhD [Piled highest & Deepest] LMFAO!
“Astroturfazoids” vs the “Angry Mob” in Denver
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/astroturfazoids-vs-the-angry-mob-in-denver/
> http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/
Shorter Jonah Goldberg: "I can win any debate by redefining the terms."
Yeap, that's what Communists, Socialists and Liberal Fascists have
done since Woodrow Wilson, PhD.
Barry,
OK so one of the Protesters was carrying was
one Sign with a Red Circle and a Red Bar {witch
is the International "NO" 'Do-Not' Signage} that
was imposed over a Black NAZI Swastika
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
-translation- SAY NO TO FASCISM [.]
http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Swastika-Punks-Against-Round-Sticker/dp/B0012SIORU
-signage- Anti-Swastika
But Democrat Pelosi only sees what she wants to
see; and tells the Liberal Lie -aka- Democrat Distortion.
"Protesters with Swastikas" when there was only
an Anti-Swastika. {Just Say NO to Fascism}
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/anti-obama-protester-comp_n_252815.html
This is because Pelosi herself is a Liberal-Fascist
and Obama-Care© is a Liberal Plan to Enslave all
Americans by Higher Taxes to a Big Government
Single-Payer Health Care System that is Fascist
by nature; because some of it's key features :
* A "Scoring" System that would DENY both Medical
Services and Treatment to Senior Citizens.
{Passive Euthanasia}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/fbd118cc06611488
* 'Imposed' More Birth Control for the Un-Desirable
* 'Counseled' More Women to have Abortions after
their First Baby like China's One Child Mandate
obama-care america's seniors 'fear' it ~ RHF
.
Senior Citizens FEAR Obama-Care© Cuts
in Medicare and Medicaid Benefits
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3497258dfc54b7ea
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1e1821e8739b3359
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5d22cae736a10b23
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
One Million Seniors March on Washington, DC
to Demand the Restoration of their Medicare
and Medicaid Health Care Benefits
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2c04523b46a23ced
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fe5d05e3126917e
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
Obama-Care© - Town Hall Meetings Turn Ugly for
US Congress Members as Americans react to a
Single-Payer {Big Government} Health Care System
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1cccaeb7666deb5c
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
Obama-Care© - Gives Free Medical Treatment to
Illegal Alien Invaders from Mexico -while- Cutting
Medical Benefits for America's Senior Citizens
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4d6cc9b121dd796d
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
Obama-Care© - Prez Obama Turning His Back On
the Aged and Infirmed American Senior Citizens
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/df998ef8d29f4463
The 'promise' of Obama-Care© Free GI Medical Marijuana for Seniors
"GI" = Government Issued
Yeah just get the Senior Citizens High and
they won't even know they are Dying . . .
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
.
SFiTx - "diatribe"
SFiTx - "clusterfuck"
SFiTx - "idiocy"
SFiTx - "Moron"
.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some One And The Same ?
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist ?
& Do They Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6c9c9a87136d9a10
.
ObamaStridges© Denying That "Liberal-Fascism" Exists
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian/msg/12784d9c9cb4fc27
.
Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
"Liberal-Fascism" Does Exist in the 21st
Century is an Tired Old Argument.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/44230a0062947061
.
"Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits' :
Liberal-Fascism is a Virtual Reality in the 21st Century
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6a0dba38cddc6d10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3022071beb242aa3
.
Neo-LiIberal-Fascism - Employing Fascist Techniques
and Means to Achieve Fascist Totalitarian Goals and
Political Dominance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9892c941fefbbef0
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/10905e6ff0ab2fad
.
The ObamaSpeakers© Denying That "Liberal-Fascism" Exists
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/20943adbe30480e1
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/22d3aa8461de1401
~ibid~
.
The Validity of the Term "Liberal Fascist"
? Can It Exist?
? Does It Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af4569002bba33ca
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/efbc4aa52f959d40
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/55070611dd003a01
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dee38e44a0d1c320
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f95e688bb0612c63
~ibid~
.
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist ?
& Do They Exist ? -the-reality-is-the-reality- ~ RHF
.
- Shorter Jonah Goldberg: "I can win any debate by redefining the
terms."
More To The Point :
Saul Alinsky who Pez Obama 'claims' influenced
BHO as a Community Organizer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
"True Revolutionaries do not flaunt their Radicalism
They cut their hair, put on suits and Infiltrate the
System from within.
Prez Obama is an Alinskyite.... Prez Obama spent
years Teaching Workshops on the Alinsky's Methods.
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
.
ObamaNomics© Nationalize Banking
ObamaConomy© Nationalize Automakers
Obama-Care© Nationalize Health Care
.
Prez Obama 'promised' Change and We Got the
Excessive Burden of Higher Taxes, Fees and Levies
Prez Obama 'promised' Change and We Got
Bigger {All Controlling} Government of Our Daily Lives
Prez Obama 'promised' Change and We Got a
Health Care System that terminates Senior's Lives
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA ! ~ RHF
.
> > >http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/
So you're saying that Jonah Goldberg is a communist or socialist?
(There's no such thing as a "liberal fascist". Anyone with a
connection to reality would tell you that.)
Now, either show a REFERENCE book (ie. dictionary, thesaurus) to prove
they aren't mutually exclusive, or admit that you only have idiotic
rhetoric as your basis and go teabagging with your buddies.
-Now, either show a REFERENCE book (ie. dictionary, thesaurus) to prove
-they aren't mutually exclusive, or admit that you only have idiotic
-rhetoric as your basis and go teabagging with your buddies.
'Liberal fascist'? Oh, like one of those pious atheists. Tricky bastards.
Don't take your eye off 'em.
Republicans might like to know that some prominent world figures share their
opinion of liberals. Men like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Osama bin Laden, King
Abdullah ibn Saud, they hate liberals too.
I remember my old dad telling me you can know a man by the company he keeps.
Dang "GM" you are right Prez Obama
and the Saudi King exchanging 'gifts'
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/obama-saudi-king-21.jpg
.
REALLY! What the hell do you call the white house trying to eliminate
dissent? How about all of the conservatives receiving pies in the face (Ann
Coulter) at Columbia, while Ahmedinajad was welcomed with open arms. I
won't even mention all of the nasty surprises awaiting you in health care
reform. Opps, it's now health insurance reform.
Hitler was a proud member of the SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT PARTY.
I could go on and on.
HankG
Shades of Nixon?
> How about all of the conservatives receiving pies in the face (Ann
> Coulter) at Columbia, while Ahmedinajad was welcomed with open arms.
And Obama ordered his lackeys to pie her? BWHAHAHAHA!
I
> won't even mention all of the nasty surprises awaiting you in health care
> reform. Opps, it's now health insurance reform.
What surprises are those? Having dealt with the present system
personally and with my mother, I'm willing to give it a fair shot.
>
> Hitler was a proud member of the SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT PARTY.
Please. Get a grip.
>
> I could go on and on.
>
> HankG
>
>
>
And you would still be 180 degrees off course.
--
BDK..
Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
Prez Obama calls upon the Obama-Finks©
to "Monitor" {Spy-On} their fellow American Citizens
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1ae324c25fa3048f
Liberal-Fascism Is Alive In Washington DC
and It's Headquaters is the White House.
-Heck they even share in the criticism of the
- Univiersity's "Cultural Elite".
-correction- That would be the Univiersity's
"Socialist-Marxist Cultural Elite".
.
i guess being anti-obama for his liberal politics
and programs is now a 'crime' in america ~ RHF
.
The idea was to fight ideas with ideas. If you know
who is spreding bad ideas you know who you need
to convince. The irrational fears suggested by the
right wing spin machine are there to make sure
this isn't a rational debate.
> -Heck they even share in the criticism of the
> - Univiersity's "Cultural Elite".
>
> -correction- That would be the Univiersity's
> "Socialist-Marxist Cultural Elite".
The motif is the same as is the playbook.
> i guess being anti-obama for his liberal politics
> and programs is now a 'crime' in america ~ RHF
Unlike under Bush, the protestors aren't being
arrested for peaceful protest. Crimes are still
crimes, even under a "liberal" president. The
ends never justify the means. It cannot be the
case that the same acts are moral or immoral
depending upon one's cause.
- It cannot be the case that the same acts are
- moral or immoral depending upon one's cause.
But with the Obama-Regime© They Are [.]
Protest Against Prez Obama's Politics Policies
and Programs are Immoral and a Crime : Judge
Prez Obama's Own Words and Actions
* Prez Obama calls upon the Obama-Finks©
to "Monitor" {Spy-On} their fellow American Citizens
* Prez Obama calls-up the Obama-Rats© to "Report"
{Rat-Out} their fellow American Citizens
* The Obama-Enemies-List . . . It's Growing Everyday
ALL Part of "Liberal-Fascism" Obama Style.
http://wearesc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86585
.
Prez Obama Remember When Democrats* -claimed-
"Since When Has It Been Part of American Patriotism
to Keep Our Mouths Shut?" - Hillary Clinton 2006
* Now We Have The Enforced Silence of Democrat
Party of the USofA Liberal-Fascism
Prez Obama Remember When Democrats* -claimed-
"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" - Hillary Clinton 2006
* Now We Have The Enforced Silence of Democrat
Party of the USofA Liberal-Fascism
Prez Obama Remember When Democrats* -claimed-
"Blind Faith In Bad Leadership Is Not Patriotism" - Hillary Clinton
2006
* Now We Have The Enforced Silence of Democrat
Party of the USofA Liberal-Fascism
yeah - prez obama remember when . . . ~ RHF
.
- When/if the U.S.Military Draft makes a come back,
- who/whom are the dims and libs going to blame it on?
- cuhulin
The New World Order [US] Draft will add to the
Obama-Death-List . . . and It's Growing Everyday
-wrt- Afghanistan - It's Obama's Bloody War !
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/washington/18web-troops.html
+ More Troops - Thanks to Prez Obama
+ More Money - Thanks to Prez Obama
+ More Equipment - Thanks to Prez Obama
+ More Death - Thanks to Prez Obama
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/weekinreview/25cooper.html
=Q= Where are the Peace Protesters Now ?
Oh the Silence of the Liberals when They Kill
in the Name of Their New World Socialist Order
.
End War in Iraq, Focus on Afghanistan,
Prez -candidate- Barack Obama says
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/16/nation/na-campaign16
Yeah even as a Candidate for Prez - Obama was
planning on Escalating the War in Afghanistan
=Q= Where were the Peace Protesters Then ?
Oh the Silence of the Liberals when They Kill
in the Name of Their New World Socialist Order
.
Afghanistan Now Is Prez Obama's War
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?entry_id=43676
.
this is 'rhf' and i disapprove of this message ~ RHF
.
Tell that to the evangelicals trying to take over the government and the
military. We are screwed. America is over.
Mutually exclusive??? Liberals want a government that provides for
all their 'needs' by taxing 'the productive' under the guise or rights
and freedom; Fasicts want government control of distribution while
maintaing the guise of private property/production. At least
Communism is HONEST about it's goals.
Nancy Pelosi is no liberal. Dennis Kucinich is a liberal.
> > (There's no such thing as a "liberal fascist". Anyone with
> > a connection to reality would tell you that.)
>
> REALLY! What the hell do you call the white house trying to eliminate
> dissent?
You're delusional.
> How about all of the conservatives receiving pies in the face (Ann
> Coulter) at Columbia,
Street theatre.
> while Ahmedinajad was welcomed with open arms.
He was given a forum and those who listened did not agree with him.
> I won't even mention all of the nasty surprises awaiting you
> in health care reform. Opps, it's now health insurance reform.
>
> Hitler was a proud member of the SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT PARTY.
Better brush up on your history. There was no "Socialist Democrat
Party" in Germany back then. There was a "Social Democratic Party",
and I can assure you, Hitler was *not* a member. In fact, Hitler
*banned* the Social Democrat Party in 1933.
> I could go on and on.
And be just as wrong.
Cuzz, if y'all wants to get in a real Good newsgroper abouts World War
Two stuff, head on over to the soc.history.war.world-war-ii newsgroper.
cuhulin
AMEN.Nobody could sing it like Sidney Poitier, and those five Sisters.
cuhulin
- Rense looks like a woman.
Dave so does that mean he can not be trusted ?
Can not a Women Speak-Truth-to-Words !
Can not a Women Speak-Facts-to-Lies !
"Since When Has It Been Part of American Patriotism
to Keep Our Mouths Shut?" -a-la- Hillary Clinton 2006
.
"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism"
-a-la- Hillary Clinton 2006
.
"Blind Faith In Bad Leadership Is Not Patriotism"
-a-la- Hillary Clinton 2006
.
But Now We Have 21st Century Liberal-Fascism
and Demonizing Name-Calling by the Democrat
Party of the USofA.
.
yeah - dave remember when . . . ~ RHF
democrats were americans 1st
and nationalizing socialist 2nd
.
Wild Bill Hickock had long hair.Did he look like a woman? Nope!
cuhulin
A lot of old timers wayyyyy back then had long hair.Nothing wrong with
that.A lot of women nowadays have butch dyke haircuts, there IS
something Wrong with That!
cuhulin
Who really cares? Babble,babble!!! WHAT does any of this crap have to
do with amateur radio??? Stay on topic,huh?
N9ZAS.
--
n9zas
Some of my Ancestors might have helped build that thing.I doubt very
much if they were royal though.
I don't believe in that royal Crap!
cuhulin
- (if it was good enough for George ''Gabby'' Hayes,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_%22Gabby%22_Hayes
n9zas wrote:
I wasn't aware that this was an 'amateur radio' group.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
About as much as it is a 'shortwave radio' group anymore. If it weren't for John Plimmer, Brenda Ann, and sometimes
you Steve, there wouldn't even be an on topic post in this wasteland.
--
"What do you mean there's no movie?"
Didja get any onya?
Maybe you should read what thread you're on ACE! It does NOT say
political CRAP thread.
Enough already! You are in the SHORTWAVE forum,FYI!
N9ZAS.
--
n9zas
Take One Name 'Off' {Offed?} The Obama-Enemies-List©
! Ex-Blagojevich Adviser Dies Before Prison Term !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090913/ap_on_re_us/us_blagojevich_fundraiser_death
-or- Was this Obama-Cide© ? - Which is becoming
like the Arkansas {Clinton} Death Syndrome !
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1142670/posts
* The Clinton Body Count
? Will Prez Obama Make Bigger ?
http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc-body.html
* The Clinton Legacy
? Will the Obama-Regime© Out-Do-Them ?
http://www.prorev.com/legacy.html
.
America OK so what's next the
Chicago {Obama} Death Syndrome© ?
and a growing "List' of those who have
'committed' Obama-Cide© ?
.
.
The Obama-Enemies-List . . . It's Growing Everyday
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/767d3d8064b36696
.
Vote Green in 2012 and Recycle Prez Obama !
* It's Time for a White House Cleaning :
Send Prez Obama to a Long Happy Retirement !
-and- All the Obama-Czars into Political Exile.
.
Vote Green in 2010 and Recycle Congress !
* It's Time for a Congressional House Cleaning :
Let's Throw {Vote} Da Bums Out !
Send Nancy Pelosi [D-CA] into Retirement !
Send Harry Reid [D-NV] into Retirement !
.
The 9-12 Project "We The People" :
+ The Nine All American Principles
+ The Twelve All American Values
http://www.the912project.us/
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=61183086243
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/11de1e39c0651a46
.
WATCH-Read "20-Minutes with the President"
http://www.infowars.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president.html
http://www.drudge.com/news/124891/charlie-sheen-20-minutes-president
CLARIFICATION a 'psycho-drama' -by- Charlie Sheen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychodrama
.
this is 'rhf' and i approve of this message ~ RHF©
.
-ps- think 'green' please recycle this message by
reposting it to other newsgroups -or- forwarding it
via email.
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