My Interpretation of the 13 Principles of The Wiccan Way
ren
"We practice rites to attune ourselves with the natural rhythm of life
forces marked by the phases of the Moon and the seasonal Quarters and
Cross Quarter."
That is, we celebrate the Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Fall
Equinox, and Winter Solstice under its myriad of names. The Celtic
calender was a Lunar one and each month was named after a Moon. The
Moon is one of the many symbols of one of the principle Wiccan
Goddesses. Wiccan magick is heavily dependent on the symbolism of the
phases of the Moon.
"We recognize that our intelligence gives us a unique responsibility
toward our environment. We seek to live in harmony with Nature, in
ecological balance offering fulfillment to life and consciousness
within an evolutionary concept."
In other words, our environment is our habitat. If we poison our own
home, we are poisoned. The Earth and the environment will survive any
polluting that we do. But will we survive it? We are conservationists
for selfish reasons. We are preserving ourselves and our children by
not polluting it.
"We acknowledge a depth of power far greater than that apparent to the
average person. Because it is far greater than ordinary, it is
sometimes called supernatural, but we see it as lying within that
which is naturally potential to all."
Everyone has the ability to use magick. We are all potentially
magickal beings. However, some of us are content to be what we are.
For these people, there will be no progression. For those of us
seeking to improve ourselves physically, mentally and psychically --
well, the future belongs to us.
"We conceive of the Creative Power in the universe as manifesting
through polarity — as masculine and feminine — and that this same
Creative Power lies in all people, and functions through the
interaction of the masculine and feminine. We value neither above the
other, knowing each to be supportive to the other. We value sex as
pleasure, as the symbol and embodiment of life, and as one of the
sources of energies used in magickal practice and religious worship."
The Goddess and God, women and men, are to respect each other and
complement and help each other. Our cooperation is the strength,
spirit and power of Wicca. Wicca is primarily a religion based on
fertility. But that doesn't mean we all engage in wild naked orgies.
Or was I not told? Ah, perhaps I wasn't invited.
"We recognize both outer worlds and inner, or psychological, worlds
sometimes known as the Spiritual World, the Collective Unconscious,
Inner Planes, etc. — and we see in the interaction of these two
dimensions the basis for paranormal phenomena and magickal exercises.
We neglect neither dimension for the other, seeing both as necessary
for our fulfillment."
There is the world of dreams and the world of reality. Between these
worlds is the astral world. This is the other world that many
religions try to explain. This is the world where spirits dwell. But
it is a world that is entwined with the one we are in right now. It is
not a far away place.
"We do not recognize any authoritarian hierarchy, but do honor those
who teach, respect those who share their greater knowledge and wisdom,
and acknowledge those who have courageously given of themselves in
leadership."
There is no King or Queen of Wiccans. There is no Pope of Wicca. High
Priestesses and High Priests are the hardest working servants of their
covens. This is the opposite of the life of ancient royalty.
"We see religion, magick and wisdom in living as being united in the
way one views the world and lives within it — a world view and
philosophy of life which we identify as Witchcraft — the Wiccan Way."
Wiccans practice magick to aid the gods when prayers are offered up.
The Gods of Wicca help no lazy Wiccan. We are expected to seek our
futures and change them. We are expected to become as Gods, to grow
spiritually to join the pantheon of Gods. Magick is our way. Pray and
wait is not our motto.
"Calling oneself “Witch” does not make a Witch — but neither does
heredity itself, nor the collecting of titles, degrees and
initiations. A Witch seeks to control the forces within her/himself
that make life possible in order to live wisely and well without harm
to others and in harmony with Nature."
Let a practitioner of Wicca be judged by his or her knowledge, ability
and merit within the coven. Reputations and names mean very little.
Your actions here and now determine your rank within this religion.
"We believe in the affirmation and fulfillment of life in a
continuation of evolution and development of consciousness giving
meaning to the Universe we know and our personal role within it."
If at all possible, be at peace with everyone. Treat everyone the way
you wish to be treated. Always consider the greater good for yourself
and those you love. Help each other along.
"Our only animosity towards Christianity, or towards any other
religion or philosophy of life, is to the extent that its institutions
have claimed to be “the only way” and have sought to deny freedom to
others and to suppress other ways of religious practice and belief."
There are many ways toward enlightenment. Wicca is not the way for
everyone. Let's not go out and actively recruit Wiccans. We don't want
recruited Wiccans. We want Wiccans who seek us out.
"As American Witches, we are not threatened by debates on the history
of the Craft, the origins of various terms, the legitimacy of various
aspects of different traditions. We are concerned with our present and
our future."
Again, merit, knowledge and ability are what is important. Titles,
histories and names are not important. Craft families have one
advantage over new practitioners. Their children tend to seek out and
hand-fast others who are also very psychically gifted and also unlike
themselves.
"We do not accept the concept of absolute evil, nor do we worship any
entity known as “Satan” or “the Devil”, as defined by the Christian
traditions. We do not seek power through the suffering of others, nor
accept that personal benefit can be derived only by denial to
another."
Nor is any being absolutely good. Did not Jesus say, "If any man call
his brother a fool, he is in danger of hell fire."? Then in another
part of the book, Jesus calls a man a fool.
"We believe that we should seek within Nature that which is
contributory to our health and wellbeing."
We have a duty to keep ourselves healthy first in order to better
administer to others.
Evergreen
If you want to be a dress up witch like ren, all show and no go,
then you can waste your time with garbage like this.
If you want to learn real magick you can pass.
Sidney Lambe
Wiccan Priest and Apprentice Magician
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (at) gmail (dot) com
> through polarity =97 as masculine and feminine =97 and that this same
> Creative Power lies in all people, and functions through the
> interaction of the masculine and feminine. We value neither above the
> other, knowing each to be supportive to the other. We value sex as
> pleasure, as the symbol and embodiment of life, and as one of the
> sources of energies used in magickal practice and religious worship."
>
> The Goddess and God, women and men, are to respect each other and
> complement and help each other. Our cooperation is the strength,
> spirit and power of Wicca. Wicca is primarily a religion based on
> fertility. But that doesn't mean we all engage in wild naked orgies.
> Or was I not told? Ah, perhaps I wasn't invited.
>
> "We recognize both outer worlds and inner, or psychological, worlds
> sometimes known as the Spiritual World, the Collective Unconscious,
> Inner Planes, etc. =97 and we see in the interaction of these two
> dimensions the basis for paranormal phenomena and magickal exercises.
> We neglect neither dimension for the other, seeing both as necessary
> for our fulfillment."
>
> There is the world of dreams and the world of reality. Between these
> worlds is the astral world. This is the other world that many
> religions try to explain. This is the world where spirits dwell. But
> it is a world that is entwined with the one we are in right now. It is
> not a far away place.
>
> "We do not recognize any authoritarian hierarchy, but do honor those
> who teach, respect those who share their greater knowledge and wisdom,
> and acknowledge those who have courageously given of themselves in
> leadership."
>
> There is no King or Queen of Wiccans. There is no Pope of Wicca. High
> Priestesses and High Priests are the hardest working servants of their
> covens. This is the opposite of the life of ancient royalty.
>
> "We see religion, magick and wisdom in living as being united in the
> way one views the world and lives within it =97 a world view and
> philosophy of life which we identify as Witchcraft =97 the Wiccan Way."
>
> Wiccans practice magick to aid the gods when prayers are offered up.
> The Gods of Wicca help no lazy Wiccan. We are expected to seek our
> futures and change them. We are expected to become as Gods, to grow
> spiritually to join the pantheon of Gods. Magick is our way. Pray and
> wait is not our motto.
>
> "Calling oneself =93Witch=94 does not make a Witch =97 but neither does
> heredity itself, nor the collecting of titles, degrees and
> initiations. A Witch seeks to control the forces within her/himself
> that make life possible in order to live wisely and well without harm
> to others and in harmony with Nature."
>
> Let a practitioner of Wicca be judged by his or her knowledge, ability
> and merit within the coven. Reputations and names mean very little.
> Your actions here and now determine your rank within this religion.
>
> "We believe in the affirmation and fulfillment of life in a
> continuation of evolution and development of consciousness giving
> meaning to the Universe we know and our personal role within it."
>
> If at all possible, be at peace with everyone. Treat everyone the way
> you wish to be treated. Always consider the greater good for yourself
> and those you love. Help each other along.
>
> "Our only animosity towards Christianity, or towards any other
> religion or philosophy of life, is to the extent that its institutions
> have claimed to be =93the only way=94 and have sought to deny freedom to
> others and to suppress other ways of religious practice and belief."
>
> There are many ways toward enlightenment. Wicca is not the way for
> everyone. Let's not go out and actively recruit Wiccans. We don't want
> recruited Wiccans. We want Wiccans who seek us out.
>
> "As American Witches, we are not threatened by debates on the history
> of the Craft, the origins of various terms, the legitimacy of various
> aspects of different traditions. We are concerned with our present and
> our future."
>
> Again, merit, knowledge and ability are what is important. Titles,
> histories and names are not important. Craft families have one
> advantage over new practitioners. Their children tend to seek out and
> hand-fast others who are also very psychically gifted and also unlike
> themselves.
>
> "We do not accept the concept of absolute evil, nor do we worship any
> entity known as =93Satan=94 or =93the Devil=94, as defined by the Christian
Hope
> ren <ren1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you want to be a dress up witch like ren, all show and no go,
> then you can waste your time with garbage like this.
>
> If you want to learn real magick you can pass.
>
post. But I don't have a bias against it either. What specifically do
you think is garbage? What in that post contradicts what you preach
about "real magick"? There is nothing in it about dressing up. It
says Wicca is not about titles and initiations and show. It says
everyone has the ability to use magic.
Did you even read it, or are you just doing your crap-o-matic thing?
If so, you can stop wasting bytes claiming to just be about truth for
the children's sake. It's painfully obvious you don't really give a
rat's ass about truth. You're all about the hating.
Ren
> Did you even read it,
He didn't read it. He is unable to argue about each statement.
He would rather talk about murdering parents, the rape of spouses, and
running over children.
storm
organization as speaking for all of Wicca and am highly suspicious of
organization who attempt to do so, even when I have somehow become
part of one or two of such "official" groups.
So, when I read the title "Principals of Wican Belief" my first
reactionos to cringe. However, the test you quote is extremely
reasonable and general enough to cover most variations of Wicca that I
have seen, and open to "liberal" interpretation to cover others. That
is impressive. So long as principles are not confused into becoming
dogma, I could actually support such a document. That is a new and
pleasant experience.
Also, I appreciate your commentary. Quite often, you come up with a
very different approach to Wicca than I do. Sometimes to the point
where I am uncomfortable. This is not a bad thing. It just is.
However, in this case, the overlap is extensive and the points of
agreement bridge across any differences. Not bad at all.
-storm
But nowhere does it mention tithing by the coven members. I have been
trying to talk my members into that for years now and still can't find
anyone to support my arguments. I can't even get the coven members to
stop laughing at the very idea. How am I going to get anywhere with
this if someone "official" won't write it down for me? ;-)
Ren
> -storm
>
> But nowhere does it mention tithing by the coven members. I have been
> trying to talk my members into that for years now and still can't find
> anyone to support my arguments. I can't even get the coven members to
> stop laughing at the very idea. How am I going to get anywhere with
> this if someone "official" won't write it down for me? ;-)
You've got to convince them to donate and then show them the receipts.
Why not assign each one of them to go out and make purchases as well.
If you're renting indoor space, have everybody look at the bill and
then split the cost.
Ah-knee
That has been tried in our County. Even in good times it dropped off
participation. Others that planned events got very stuck with plane,
hotel and dinner costs from invited authors and speakers. Deposits not
given back because a few got stuck with clean-up and could not get it
done in time.
Do the math. Few pagans believe their "spirituality" should cost them
past bring a potluck dish.
They do not want to be reminded there is electricity costs (we use
candles, why pay for electric) and mostly they never want to be
reminded of liability Insurance, port a potties..you name it.
Evergreen
> Not bad, not bad at all. I don't recognize any national or world
> organization as speaking for all of Wicca and am highly suspicious of
> organization who attempt to do so, even when I have somehow become
> part of one or two of such "official" groups.
>
> So, when I read the title "Principals of Wican Belief" my first
> reactionos to cringe. However, the test you quote is extremely
> reasonable and general enough to cover most variations of Wicca that I
> have seen, and open to "liberal" interpretation to cover others. That
> is impressive. So long as principles are not confused into becoming
> dogma, I could actually support such a document. That is a new and
> pleasant experience.
You mean as long as the principles don't require anything of you
but empty words and role-playing and a little disposable income.
You, like most Wiccans, are psuedo-progressive Liberals, the
same people who call themselves 'environmentalists' while their
ecological footprint is over a hundred times the global average.
> Also, I appreciate your commentary. Quite often, you come up with a
> very different approach to Wicca than I do. Sometimes to the point
> where I am uncomfortable.
It is entirely reasonable to be uncomfortable with a loon who
claims the ability to scramble people's brains and turn them into
his puppets and threatens to do just that to anyone who attempts
to discover his real name and what his life is really like, and
_then_ reveals himself to be a complete charlatan by failing
to follow through with his threat:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/bddb8c59f894a2a5
> This is not a bad thing. It just is.
> However, in this case, the overlap is extensive and the points of
> agreement bridge across any differences. Not bad at all.
>
> -storm
>
> But nowhere does it mention tithing by the coven members. I have been
> trying to talk my members into that for years now and still can't find
> anyone to support my arguments. I can't even get the coven members to
> stop laughing at the very idea. How am I going to get anywhere with
> this if someone "official" won't write it down for me? ;-)
Yes. We know that you, like ren, have dreams of becoming paid clergy.
Get the suckers to pay you for performing rituals that don't accomplish
anything but an evening's entertainment and the illusion that the
participants are real witches.
That's what they will pay you for: Telling them they are real witches.
Don't forget this little bit of insight, charlatan.
I don't see any real difference between Wicca and traditional Catholicism.
Just different names for the fictional deities and different costumes.
The priests/clergy of both religions can't do any magick at all and are
no closer to the divine than anyone else.
Sid
--
Ren
> That has been tried in our County. Even in good times it dropped off
> participation. Others that planned events got very stuck with plane,
> hotel and dinner costs from invited authors and speakers. Deposits not
> given back because a few got stuck with clean-up and could not get it
> done in time.
>
> Do the math. Few pagans believe their "spirituality" should cost them
> past bring a potluck dish.
>
> They do not want to be reminded there is electricity costs (we use
> candles, why pay for electric) and mostly they never want to be
> reminded of liability Insurance, port a potties..you name it.
We do things differently where I live. We always rotate people's homes
or outdoor locations and we treat it like a party. Everybody kicks in
an agreed amount of money beforehand.
Evergreen
Bullshit. You don't do anything but hide in your room and post
lies on the internet.
That's why you hide your identity. So no one can discover the
truth about you.
That's why you go off the deep end when you even suspect that
someone is trying to find out who you really are:
"Hire a private investigator to find out more about me, harass me by
telephone, email me, you're swimming in deep and dangerous water. I
will scramble your brains and keep you posting to serve as an
example."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/7645f9930048be
Then you post supposedly autobiographical essays that aren't even
about the same person:
Ren's story
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/1b67881c7715302c
<53423e91-6136-41e0...@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
A similar post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/609b26aa645f2065
<027a80e9-2a08-424c...@z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
Another:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/1e789b7d0754d099
<d1db7902-6d01-4ac4...@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com>
Another:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/e1cd2d7b9f06e4b9
<0ae33ea5-2c4f-4ea3...@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
A related post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/569f68957308591f
<ed8819fa-67c3-4242...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
Sizzle Flambé
Catholicism."
Take it up with the Wiccan Pope and the Wiccan College of Cardinals,
address available at your nearest Wiccan Cathedral.
Pete (aka: Farts In Circles)
> storm <st...@frii.com> wrote:
> > Not bad, not bad at all. I don't recognize any national or world
> > organization as speaking for all of Wicca and am highly suspicious of
> > organization who attempt to do so, even when I have somehow become
> > part of one or two of such "official" groups.
>
> > So, when I read the title "Principals of Wican Belief" my first
> > reactionos to cringe. However, the test you quote is extremely
> > reasonable and general enough to cover most variations of Wicca that I
> > have seen, and open to "liberal" interpretation to cover others. That
> > is impressive. So long as principles are not confused into becoming
> > dogma, I could actually support such a document. That is a new and
> > pleasant experience.
>
> You mean as long as the principles don't require anything of you
> but empty words and role-playing and a little disposable income.
>
> You, like most Wiccans, are psuedo-progressive Liberals,
This form the guy that calls our military "TERRORISTS?"
the
> same people who call themselves 'environmentalists' while their
> ecological footprint is over a hundred times the global average.
Considering your penchant for hypocriticality you should fit right in!
>
> > Also, I appreciate your commentary. Quite often, you come up with a
> > very different approach to Wicca than I do. Sometimes to the point
> > where I am uncomfortable.
>
> It is entirely reasonable to be uncomfortable with a loon who
spews forth negativity, repeats the same old tired hate mongering
drivel and disbelieves and derides everything but his own viewpoint.
Are you in competition with Hannity?
> claims the ability to scramble people's brains and turn them into
> his puppets and threatens to do just that to anyone who attempts
> to discover his real name and what his life is really like, and
> _then_ reveals himself to be a complete charlatan by failing
> to follow through with his threat:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/bddb8c59f894a2a5
>
Yheah, yeah, yeah, we know,... "Ren is the Antichrist and you're our
dashing savior... yah, we got it. OK?!?!?
> > This is not a bad thing. It just is.
> > However, in this case, the overlap is extensive and the points of
> > agreement bridge across any differences. Not bad at all.
>
> > -storm
>
> > But nowhere does it mention tithing by the coven members. I have been
> > trying to talk my members into that for years now and still can't find
> > anyone to support my arguments. I can't even get the coven members to
> > stop laughing at the very idea. How am I going to get anywhere with
> > this if someone "official" won't write it down for me? ;-)
>
> Yes. We know that you, like ren, have dreams of becoming paid clergy.
As apparenty do you, since you're apprenticing to be a "magician" and
already tout yourself as a "Wiccan priest."
> Get the suckers to pay you for performing rituals that don't accomplish
> anything but an evening's entertainment and the illusion that the
> participants are real witches.
>
> That's what they will pay you for: Telling them they are real witches.
> Don't forget this little bit of insight, charlatan.
>
> I don't see any real difference between Wicca and traditional Catholicism.
> Just different names for the fictional deities and different costumes.
> The priests/clergy of both religions can't do any magick at all and are
> no closer to the divine than anyone else.
And despite all your efforts to convince us all otherwise, neither are
you.
>
> Sid
>
> --
> Sidney Lambe
> Wiccan Priest and Apprentice Magicianhttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
storm
Actually, I was just being ironic about the tithing. It is an ongoing
joke over how much we, in our version of Wicca, separate money from
the religion.
However, to your point, yes, I have seen such ill behavior all too
often. It shows that being Wiccan is not an guarantee for being
wise. On the other hand, I have also seen the contrary. There have
been people who clean up, lug furniture, take the extra food from the
feast over to the nearest homeless shelter, and so on. I have made it
a point to thank those people, usually in the presence of other folk,
so that the idea of praise for concientious actions becomes more of a
norm than an exception. It doesn't always work, and some people will
always be slobs regardless of religion. But when it does work, it
forges community on the deepest levels, and that makes the whole
effort worthwhile.
It seems to get worse according to how many people involved. As a
reaction to that trend, I have no desire to try and be part of the
organization of a large pagan festival. That is where I see the very
worst examples of that behavior. I can effectively persuade and
modify behaviors in groups up to about a hundred, but on beyond that,
the mob/slob mentality seems to over-ride notions of responsibility.
The one exception I have seen was the Samhain put on by Starhawk that
I got to go to once. There was a giant clean up crew pre-arranged and
people took time to join that crew and help. It was a wonderful
exception to the trend, and happened because people knew of the trend
and worked to make allowance for it. The community atmosphere
generated by the Reclaiming movement is effective, cooperative, and,
in this Wiccans eye, the one of the beauties we all strive to reach.
-storm
Evergreen
[delete]
> Actually, I was just being ironic about the tithing. It is an ongoing
> joke over how much we, in our version of Wicca, separate money from
> the religion.
Sure you do. That's what they all say: 'It's not about money, it's
about spirituality'. (Although what a bunch of theatrical rituals
created by amateur scholars from snippets of history, legend,
and myth have to with spirituality, I can't begin to imagine.)
But actions speak louder than words. Here's a google search on
wicca "shopping cart"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=wicca+%22shopping+cart%22&btnG=Google+Search
410,000 hits
Which is pretty amazing, considering that magick requires absolutely
nothing but your own consciousness.
And spirituality is the opposite of materialism....
[delete]
Do keep in mind that "storm" claims to be a Wiccan clergyperson.
Pete (aka: Farts In Circles)
> storm <st...@frii.com> wrote:
>
> [delete]
>
> > Actually, I was just being ironic about the tithing. It is an ongoing
> > joke over how much we, in our version of Wicca, separate money from
> > the religion.
>
> Sure you do. That's what they all say: 'It's not about money, it's
> about spirituality'. (Although what a bunch of theatrical rituals
> created by amateur scholars from snippets of history, legend,
> and myth have to with spirituality, I can't begin to imagine.)
>
> But actions speak louder than words. Here's a google search on
>
> wicca "shopping cart"
>
>
> 410,000 hits
>
> Which is pretty amazing, considering that magick requires absolutely
> nothing but your own consciousness.
case and succede only in taking the bait and springing a trap designed
to speed you further toward your eventual demise.
>
> And spirituality is the opposite of materialism....
>
> [delete]
>
> Do keep in mind that "storm" claims to be a Wiccan clergyperson.
Well, yes, but so do YOU! V Just look down V it's right THERE V in
black & white! V
>
> Sid
>
> --
> Sidney Lambe
> Wiccan Priest and Apprentice Magicianhttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
> usenet4444 (at) gmail (dot) com
FWIW, I'd believe Storm's credentials LONG before I'd belive a red-
cent from Sid had any value!
Sizzle Flambé
> > Do keep in mind that "storm" claims to be a Wiccan clergyperson.
>
> Well, yes, but so do YOU!
> V Just look down V it's right THERE V in black & white! V
> > Sidney Lambe
> > Wiccan Priest and Apprentice Magician
Ohhhhhhhh trolls and sockpuppets, sockpuppets and trolls, liddle
Siddly wiggler does seem to catch his FOT in his mouth from time to
time after all. There was a very very persistent troll here once upon
a time, hight Talesin / Tales1n, who liked to claim that he was a
Wiccan priest but hated Wiccans with a deep passion, the oddest thing
wouldn't you say?, and now here is Mr. Snidely Lambe with the same odd
mental division. Tales, "Fat Old Tales" (FOT) they used to call him
(not fondly), had this thing about "fat" accusations too, and here,
well, you notice Sid's likewise unpleasant physical obsession. The
coincidences do seem to mount, don't they? Ohhhh, but not to be
paranoid, I'm sure it's allllll a matter of sheer chance resemblances,
twin brothers separated at birth, that sort of thing. Don't mock him
for acting *just the exact same bloody way*, will you, I'm sure it's a
perfectly innocent mistake, koff koff ptui.
Baird Stafford
<1d1c2f33-60f9-44d6...@d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
"Pete (aka: Farts In Circles)" <lordt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
> FWIW, I'd believe Storm's credentials LONG before I'd belive a red-
> cent from Sid had any value!
For nearly twenty years that I know of. Further, I knew and respected
one of the women who was an early influence on him.... Dragonmama had
the most beautiful speaking voice I've ever heard over the telephone.
I have one regret at least: that I never got to meet her in person.
Blessed be,
Baird
--
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods-
They kill us for their sport.
-Gloster, in _Lear_
Sizzle Flambé
[genuflection], could you refrain from including the flamebait in the
thread titles, as it attracts the riff-a-raff-a to the public squares
and monuments of this our fair city, to the detriment of the good
tourismo? Grazie, grazie.
"I don't see any real difference between Wicca and traditional
Catholicism."
sarchasm
Because flamebait is more finessed if placed in the body of a post rather
than the thread title, nyet?
Sizzle Flambé
If'n yo're the town lawman, d'you wanna see a saloon put a big two-
story sign above its porch that says in big bright red letters,
"Spoilin' For A Fight!"?
There's bein' a natural hazard, an' then again
there's bein' an attractive nuisance.
Evergreen
> In article
><1d1c2f33-60f9-44d6...@d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
> "Pete (aka: Farts In Circles)" <lordt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> FWIW, I'd believe Storm's credentials LONG before I'd belive a red-
>> cent from Sid had any value!
Says another 'neo-pagan' charlatan who can spew psuedo-esoteric
woo-woo all day long but can't demonstrate any abilities that
are out of the ordinary. Just like Ren. And Baird and all of
these clowns.
He 'accepts storm's credentials' ROTFL.
What he means is that he pretends storm is a real magician
because storm pretends he is.
That's the Neo-Pagan Pact.
I don't want your respect Pete. The respect of clown is worthless.
>
> For nearly twenty years that I know of.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/4fe9b7e398185410
There you see "storm" demonstrating his comic book conception of
magick for us.
Twenty years and that's the best he can do. But he can spew
garbage that sounds mysterious and magickal all day long
so he's respected among the other dress up witches.
> Further, I knew and respected
> one of the women who was an early influence on him.... Dragonmama had
> the most beautiful speaking voice I've ever heard over the telephone.
Boy. A beautiful speaking voice. Must be a real witch, then.
:-\
>
> I have one regret at least: that I never got to meet her in person.
>
> Blessed be,
> Baird
Oh my. He said "Blessed be", so he must be a real witch!
<snicker>
>
> --
> As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods-
> They kill us for their sport.
> -Gloster, in _Lear_
No. That's garbage. Your gods are fiction and they are
as stupid as you are.
Sizzle Flambé
> > As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods-
> > They kill us for their sport.
> > -Gloster, in _Lear_
>
> No. That's garbage.
No, that's Shakespeare, you ignorant sot.
Thank you for exposing *your* judgment to *ours*.
Ye Sin, Bedlam.
Again, and again, and again.
> Your gods are fiction...
Showing your claim to be a "Wiccan Priest"
to have been a shameless lie from the start.
sarchasm
> "sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Sizzle Flamb�" <sizzle.fla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mille regretti, signore, but with the greatest of concern and courtesy
> > [genuflection], could you refrain from including the flamebait in the
> > thread titles, as it attracts the riff-a-raff-a to the public squares
> > and monuments of this our fair city, to the detriment of the good
> > tourismo? Grazie, grazie.
>
> > "I don't see any real difference between Wicca and traditional
> > Catholicism."
> > -- Sidney Lambe, Catholic Priest
>
> Because flamebait is more finessed if placed in the
> body of a post rather than the thread title, nyet?
>
>If'n yo're the town lawman,
>
There is no sheriff in this town, it's like Tombstone.
>
>d'you wanna see a saloon put a big two-
>story sign above its porch that says in big bright red letters,
>"Spoilin' For A Fight!"?
>
Around here, what generally happens is that some sidiot saunters into the
saloon, cheats at the card table and then accuses others of doing so. A
bar-brawl then usually ensues whereupon sidiot obtains a severe case of lead
poisoning - metaphorically speaking.
>
>There's bein' a natural hazard, an' then again
>there's bein' an attractive nuisance.
>
In sidiot's instance, that might be believed to be a supernatural hazard.
Sizzle Flambé
Sorry, gentlemen. D'ye feel the need of a separate defense of your
honours, or will it suffice that you were denounced in the same
slurred and misbegotten breath as dared to speak against both
Shakespeare and the Gods? Can you take solace in that grand company,
if not in the knowledge that others here have known you for the same
twenty-some years you have known each other, and therefore rightly
dismiss the rantings of the witless wanderer at their proper
worthlessness?
Hope
>
> woo-woo all day long
But I'll bet they can at least spell "pseudo" correctly. You've been
wearing the term out for six months and still can't manage that,
Genius.
> but can't demonstrate any abilities that
> are out of the ordinary.
You have demonstrated an extra-ordinary ability at being a boor who
bludgeons his audience into a stupor with his matchless banality. So
what do you want for demonstrating this amazing ability, a cookie?
[More of the same old boring pouty little bitch-boy stuff deleted]
>
> > Further, I knew and respected
> > one of the women who was an early influence on him.... Dragonmama had
> > the most beautiful speaking voice I've ever heard over the telephone.
>
> Boy. A beautiful speaking voice. Must be a real witch, then.
Only a sidiot would ASSume that's what he meant. I'm curious, how
hard do you have to work at acting this thick? Or does it just come
natural?
>
> > I have one regret at least: that I never got to meet her in person.
>
> > Blessed be,
> > Baird
>
> Oh my. He said "Blessed be", so he must be a real witch!
Oh my. What a simpering fool you are. Reject blessings all you like
then, sidiot. It's sure not going to hurt the person offering them.
> > As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods-
> > They kill us for their sport.
> > -Gloster, in _Lear_
>
> No. That's garbage. Your gods are fiction and they are
> as stupid as you are.
>
Yes, you are certainly one to talk about stupid, sidiot. Do you not
recognize a quote from Shakespeare, even when the source of the quote
is right there? You see, _Lear_ is short for _King Lear_. It's a
play. Gloster/Gloucester is a character in it. The depths of your
cultural illiteracy never cease to amaze me.
If you want to tell Shakespeare (or one of his fictitious characters)
that his gods are stupid, you'll need to have advanced beyond
apprentice magician.
But what are the odds *that* is ever going to happen? (That's a
rhetorical question. We all know the answer.)
storm
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, I sincerely thank you, but then again, that is a fairly low
threshold to exceed.
But still, thanks!
:-)
-storm
Hope
Sidiot must have yawned and the universe rushed to fill the vacuum
between his ears. Alas, that is a black hole from which nothing of
substance can escape.
>
> Twenty years and that's the best he can do. But he can spew
> garbage that sounds mysterious and magickal all day long
> so he's respected among the other dress up witches.
Six months and this is the best you can do--spew such stinky rote
nonsense that you are disrespected even by other trolls.
>
> > Further, I knew and respected
> > one of the women who was an early influence on him.... Dragonmama had
> > the most beautiful speaking voice I've ever heard over the telephone.
>
> Boy. A beautiful speaking voice. Must be a real witch, then.
>
Only a sidiot would ASSume he made that link. I'm curious, how hard
do you have to work at appearing this thick? Probably not hard at
all. In fact, probably NOTHING about you is hard.
>
>
> > I have one regret at least: that I never got to meet her in person.
>
> > Blessed be,
> > Baird
>
> Oh my. He said "Blessed be", so he must be a real witch!
Oh my. He seems to believe that only witches can offer blessings and
that those folks who do offer them might somehow be hurt when a sidiot
rejects them.
>
> <snicker>
<almond joy...because sometimes you feel like a nut, and sometimes you
don't have any>
>
> > --
> > As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods-
> > They kill us for their sport.
> > -Gloster, in _Lear_
>
> No. That's garbage. Your gods are fiction and they are
> as stupid as you are.
>
Yes, you are really one to talk about stupidity, sidiot. Do you not
recognize a quote from Shakespeare, even though the source is listed
right there? The depths of your cultural illiteracy never cease to
amaze. Here's a hint: _Lear_ is short for _King Lear_. It's a play.
Gloster/Gloucester is a character in it. If you want to tell
Shakespeare that his gods (or better yet, those of one of his
characters) are fiction, then you'll need to have progressed beyond
"apprentice magician." And what are the odds of *that* ever
happening? (That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.)
sarchasm
> "Eversidiot" <sidneyla...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> Your gods are fiction...
>
>Showing your claim to be a "Wiccan Priest"
>to have been a shameless lie from the start.
>
The sidiot lies as a matter of course.
You know, that gimmick whereby the sidiot troll does a shake 'n bake
"ritual"
so that he can later on claim that he was 'ordained' by the gods of nature,
just like he assumes others were? He's just pulling the faux 'initiation'
rite/empty ceremony thing to lend faux authority to troll with a faux title.
That way, sidiot can attempt without success to use the wiccans' own
arguements
in this regard against them. Unfortunately, this won't work on non-wiccans
and,
one could hope, not on wiccans who have gone through a more extensive
process of
becoming the priesthood, (rather than using an empty title with which to
troll usenet).
Sizzle Flambé
> You know, that gimmick whereby the sidiot troll does a
> shake 'n bake "ritual"...
I can hardly wait for him to sprinkle himself with fairy dust,
think happy thoughts, and fly, preferably starting from a
high spot, as a way to demonstrate his powers of Magick
and impress us all properly. Really, what is he waiting for?
Sitting on the sidelines, sniping at the rest,
Only spewing bad names, that's no kind of test!
Proof is what you *do*, Sid, not just what you *say*;
Put up something solid -- or why not go away?
sarchasm
> "sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You know, that gimmick whereby the sidiot troll does a
> shake 'n bake "ritual"...
>
>I can hardly wait for him to sprinkle himself with fairy dust,
>think happy thoughts, and fly, preferably starting from a
>high spot, as a way to demonstrate his powers of Magick
>and impress us all properly. Really, what is he waiting for?
>
That may have to await sidiot's interminable rounding up of the strawman
broomsticks he unleashed to troll arw with. If the sidiot apprentice cannot
accomplish this, how can he aspire to Dumbo's feather?
>
>Sitting on the sidelines, sniping at the rest,
>Only spewing bad names, that's no kind of test!
>Proof is what you *do*, Sid, not just what you *say*;
>Put up something solid -- or why not go away?
>
sidiot is compelled to stay because, if he cannot learn, he can serve as an
abject example of what not to do for others.
Pete (aka: Farts In Circles)
> Baird Stafford <ba...@newstaff.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > "Pete (aka: Farts In Circles)" <lordtrac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ><snip>
>
> >> FWIW, I'd believe Storm's credentials LONG before I'd belive a red-
> >> cent from Sid had any value!
>
> Says another 'neo-pagan' charlatan who can spew psuedo-esoteric
> woo-woo all day long but can't demonstrate any abilities that
> are out of the ordinary. Just like Ren. And Baird and all of
> these clowns.
>
> He 'accepts storm's credentials' ROTFL.
>
Yep, I do. So what'cha' gonna do about it wuss? Sit there and laugh
your foolish ass off? Go ahead. Laugh all you want.
We laugh AT you, not WITH you!
> What he means is that he pretends storm is a real magician
> because storm pretends he is.
No, what I mean is, SID is a flaming moron with no evidentiary leg to
stand on. Storm acts more like a rational human being.
Ipso facto, Storm has more than a clue what she's saying and doing,
whereas SID is just a blowharded idiot with an axe to grind.
>
> That's the Neo-Pagan Pact.
I made no such pact. The only pact I made was to defend The
Constitution Of The United States against all enemies, bot foreign and
domestic and to obey the orders of the President and all superiors
appointed over me.
>
> I don't want your respect Pete. The respect of clown is worthless.
>
Fear not, you do not now nor will you EVER have it.
>
>
> > For nearly twenty years that I know of.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/4fe9b7e398185410
>
> There you see "storm" demonstrating his comic book conception of
> magick for us.
>
> Twenty years and that's the best he can do. But he can spew
> garbage that sounds mysterious and magickal all day long
> so he's respected among the other dress up witches.
So how long YOU been at it Sid? I don't see you coming up with
anything even close, so if I were you I'd shut the fuck up before,...
oh,... too late. Well, go ahead, have at it, CONTINUE proving yourself
a mindless idiot.
Who the hell writes your stuff for you anyway? Reverend Phelps?
>
> > Further, I knew and respected
> > one of the women who was an early influence on him.... Dragonmama had
> > the most beautiful speaking voice I've ever heard over the telephone.
>
> Boy. A beautiful speaking voice. Must be a real witch, then.
Sid, at least she HAD a speaking voice. All you have is a pathetic
keyboard and a paltry knowledge of LINUX.
WWOOOOOO!!!! Good for YOOOUUU!!!
>
> :-\
>
>
>
> > I have one regret at least: that I never got to meet her in person.
>
> > Blessed be,
> > Baird
>
> Oh my. He said "Blessed be", so he must be a real witch!
>
> <snicker>
Sid, you're a fucking idiot. You don't need to say ANYTHING else to
convince us that your idiocy is genuine.
>
>
>
> > --
> > As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods-
> > They kill us for their sport.
> > -Gloster, in _Lear_
>
> No. That's garbage. Your gods are fiction and they are
> as stupid as you are.
So sayeth the fool to the Sage. Whatever Sid.
>
> Sid The Idiot