Tomorrow I Will Become an Ordained Wiccan Priest
Sidney Lambe
incense and candles and salt and water and cakes and wine and...
Studied the entire ritual carefully. Got a good handle
on casting a circle and consecrating it. Practiced those
two rituals several times.
I do not know what my sacred name will be. The gods will tell
me tomorrow.
(Gonna be a chilly willy morning. The naked part will be challenging,
but this needs to be done outside among the trees and herbs.)
Sid
sarchasm
>
> Got all the stuff together. Athame and altar cloth and censer and
> incense and candles and salt and water and cakes and wine and...
>
sadsack-sid any authority.
Jack
That is WEIRD! Why are you doing that?! I thought you thought
that Wicca was an artificial psuedo-religion.
Jack
sarchasm
>
> That is WEIRD! Why are you doing that?! I thought you thought
> that Wicca was an artificial psuedo-religion.
>
> Jack
>
What's even more odd is that sadsack-sid and his shill 'both' spell pseudo
in the same way.
Sidney Lambe
Yes. An artificial and half-formed religion. Does it matter that
it's artificial? Yes. A religion should be based on clearly
understood basic tenets that can be proven in one sense or
another.
But the best way to understand anything is to become that thing
to the greatest degree possible.
I can already tell you that the initiation ritual is the acting
out of one basic idea: Rebirth. It's like the water baptism of
some Christian churches. It's a dramatic casting of this simple
spell:
"I am now reborn a Witch (a magickal being)."
Good as far as it goes. Which isn't far. Changing the
foundational spells you are maintaining (your true beliefs) is
not that simple or easy.
>
> Jack
Sid
Jack
But but BUTT!! What is the point if you don't believe in The Goddess?
I get your analysis of the ritual and that's right on. Born Again
Wiccan. It's a nice ideal but I know that it is harder than that to
change your basic attitudes towards reality. Those are heavy spells.
Jack
Sidney Lambe
I _will_ believe in The Goddess while I am doing the ritual. This is
hardly a big deal. Do any of these people believe in The Goddess? Really?
Does The Goddess actually exist beyond these beliefs?
Do they have beliefs (are they maintaining spells) that
necessitate disbelief in such beings? Can't believe in a random
universe and god-beings. Not without taking the wind out of
both sets of beliefs and leaving yourself confused all the time
and filled with tension.
furthermore, I'll bet that if you questioned a hundred wiccans
seperately they would have very different ideas about the
characteristics and powers The Goddess has and what role She has
played and does play in human affairs, daily and over the long
run.
> I get your analysis of the ritual and that's right on. Born Again
> Wiccan. It's a nice ideal but I know that it is harder than that to
> change your basic attitudes towards reality. Those are heavy spells.
>
> Jack
"Heavy spells". Yes indeed.
Hope
Oh, what a SURPRISE!! I certainly NEVER expected "Jack" to pop up
right now and ask a leading question, as if this is going to turn into
some badly-scripted discourse! *sincere look #45*
Hope
*LMAO* There goes his shot with the CIA.
ren
> I _will_ believe in The Goddess while I am doing the ritual. This is
> hardly a big deal. Do any of these people believe in The Goddess? Really?
> Does The Goddess actually exist beyond these beliefs?
Don't forget the God, Barbera.
> furthermore, I'll bet that if you questioned a hundred wiccans
> seperately they would have very different ideas about the
> characteristics and powers The Goddess has and what role She has
> played and does play in human affairs, daily and over the long
> run.
A hundred Wiccans will tell you that there is also a God, not just a
Goddess.
zayton
"Jack" <nos...@please.invalid> wrote in message
news:Jkdel.8694$ts4....@newsfe06.iad...
> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>> Got all the stuff together. Athame and altar cloth and censer and
>> incense and candles and salt and water and cakes and wine and...
>>
>> Studied the entire ritual carefully. Got a good handle
>> on casting a circle and consecrating it. Practiced those
>> two rituals several times.
>>
>> I do not know what my sacred name will be. The gods will tell
>> me tomorrow.
Richard Exiguus?
>>
>> (Gonna be a chilly willy morning. The naked part will be challenging,
>> but this needs to be done outside among the trees and herbs.)
>>
>> Sid
>>
>> --
>> http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
>
> That is WEIRD! Why are you doing that?! I thought you thought
> that Wicca was an artificial psuedo-religion.
>
> Jack
When he has performed his version of an initiation
and percieves nothing happening
"Richard Exiguus" will argue that this "proves" Wicca is false.
undsalsufy
> (Gonna be a chilly willy morning. The naked part will be challenging,
> but this needs to be done outside among the trees and herbs.)
>
> Sid
So basically you are a masochist exhibitionist due to some childhood
trauma and you are doing this silly thing and telling us about in the
hope the girls will all ask for a photo of your shriveled shlong,
right?
Sidney, you may be ambitious, but I think you are overextending
yourself here.
Jack
Yes, you nasty little man, everyone knows that. It's on every wiccan
web site. We can use google as well as you can. Just because someone
doesn't mention something in every post doesn't mean they don't know
it. Really.
Then tell us why you are calling Sidney Barbera. Is it because a
creepy troll that no one with a working brain would trust for one
second told you that was his real name? Last week you were saying
it was something else. What do you think calling him Barbera will
get you? Think it makes up for your failure to demonstrate the
magickal powers you claim to have?
Jack
~
aine
Priest Marty!
I had this dream. Besides the one where the Comcast driver dies in an
accident.
Besides the one I told you a fat truck driver swerves, I am fine and
he flies out of his truck and blubber bounces twice then dies. Now the
truck was not UPS but the guy was dressed in all brown like one.
I used my cell phone to call my dad and tell him I was fine but the
guy was dead and actually so is my dad, yet he answered.
In a deep catnap this morning because I have been traveling around
alot with weird hours... I dreamed of a beautiful white condo I owned
and this woman was backing into a wall from me as I was staring.
"Leave me alone..he is mine you can't have him." I said "who are you
talking about?" The door opens and here is this dork I knew in Junior
High and I said, "Marty?"
So, again with the short dark haired woman who always is there
helping, she laughs and opens these blinds to the window where these
beuatiful blue vases are holding long spiral willow twigs and 2 others
that have some cacti like plants. Aloe Vera? I don't know some kind of
succulant.
She says, "notice anything about the blinds?" I said, my gods yes they
are opening perfectly. In time and totally balanced. Blinds never do
that. She says yes all this is yours, but look, the package delivery
truck is here for Marty and friend.
So, this tall, dark handsome man picks up Marty and friend laughing
and calling the nut cases. That it was their turn to drive the truck..
So, then the dark haired lady starts singing to Nancy Sinatra these
boots are made for walking.
The end but there is a point.
Comcast, UPS, cell phones and the last delivery truck unknown forget
if it had a name..all denote messages.
Marty and friend were so over the top dramatic and just plain ass
stupid, I decided Priest Marty should be his name.
Can't remember any other Marty in my life or here in arw that was a
problem but it just always conjurs (forgive me all you Marty's)
someone just not too...well I shouldnt be mean. No ones fault they
have the name Marty and I am sure many like it. Personal preference.
Why Nancy Sinatra? Hmmm Anyone?
Baird Stafford
<683fee73-448b-47e9...@w1g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
ren <ren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unless you ask only Dianics (who, in my experience, are a definite
minority of Wiccans - but still exist!).
Blessed be,
Baird
--
Our daily diet grows odder and odder.
It's a wise child that knows its fodder.
- O. Nash
sarchasm
They still have a good chance at it, as long as CIA stands for "Confused
Imbecilic Asshats".
sarchasm
> "Jack" <nos...@please.invalid> wrote:
> > "Sidney-running-on-empty-Lambe" wrote:
>
> > I do not know what my sacred name will be. The gods will tell
> > me tomorrow.
>
That would be, "asshat". Make sure to only use it for pseudo-authority
purposes.
>
> That is WEIRD! Why are you doing that?! I thought you thought
> that Wicca was an artificial psuedo-religion.
>
> Jack
>
>Oh, what a SURPRISE!! I certainly NEVER expected "Jack" to pop up
>right now and ask a leading question, as if this is going to turn into
>some badly-scripted discourse! *sincere look #45*
>
They'd never do that; it would give sadsack-sid the opportunity to keep
trolling with his 'join the teleporting-mind-reading-cult-of-asshats'
schtick.
sarchasm
> "Jack" <nos...@please.invalid> wrote:
>> "Sidney-sadsack-Lambe" wrote:
>>
>> I do not know what my sacred name will be. The gods will tell
>> me tomorrow.
>
> Richard Exiguus?
>
>>>
>>> (Gonna be a chilly willy morning. The naked part will be challenging,
>>> but this needs to be done outside among the trees and herbs.)
>>>
>>> Sid
>>> --
>>
>> that Wicca was an artificial psuedo-religion.
>>
>> Jack
>
> When he has performed his version of an initiation
> and percieves nothing happening
> "Richard Exiguus" will argue that this "proves" Wicca is false.
Yet, going through the motions as opposed to doing the preceding work only
confirms sadsack-sid's intentions involve empty titles and faux 'authority'.
Sadsack-sid may then proceed to further expound all sorts of crap on the
basis of his diploma-milled title of pseudo-rank.
Hope
You don't get it, Hannah? Apparently, not only do you both misspell
just alike, you also have the same IQ and cultural awareness level.
What are the odds?
Hope
> On Jan 23, 7:13 am, Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > (Gonna be a chilly willy morning. The naked part will be challenging,
> > but this needs to be done outside among the trees and herbs.)
>
> > Sid
>
> So basically you are a masochist exhibitionist due to some childhood
> trauma
I still think that has something to do with his "nasty" little
sister.
> and you are doing this silly thing and telling us about in the
> hope the girls will all ask for a photo of your shriveled shlong,
> right?
>
> Sidney, you may be ambitious, but I think you are overextending
> yourself here.
You're being too generous. I doubt it's possible for him
to...overextend.
Hope
>
> When he has performed his version of an initiation
> and percieves nothing happening
> "Richard Exiguus" will argue that this "proves" Wicca is false.
No doubt. Just as I can prove that fossilized mammoth ivory keeps
pink elephants away. I inherited a piece, and I have never once seen
a pink elephant around, no matter how many times I moved.
Sidney Lambe
Took all day. The first time through the ritual didn't go well and
I didn't get a name, so I moved to another location and did it all
over.
I am now the Ordained Wiccan Priest "Evergreen".
It was a worthwhile experience. I felt very attuned to the natural
world around me.
Sid
Hope
>
> It was a worthwhile experience. I felt very attuned to the natural
> world around me.
>
There goes the neighborhood...
sarchasm
> "Sidney-sadsack-Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> It was a worthwhile experience. I felt very attuned to the natural
> world around me.
>
>There goes the neighborhood...
>
What, peeing in the woods while going through the motions of a "ritual"
doesn't make him a high-faloutin' wikkin priest-like sadsack with delusions
of authority now? Does that mean Jill, (or, Jack), can't fetch, (shill),
him pails of water anymore?
sarchasm
> "Jack" <nos...@please.invalid> ineptly shilled:
>
> [shilling available on play-per-view]
>
> Jack
> ~
>You don't get it, Hannah? Apparently, not only do you both misspell
>just alike, you also have the same IQ and cultural awareness level.
>What are the odds?
>
Good shills are difficult for sadsack-sid to find, it would seem. He has do
make do and hack up some 'authoritive-sounding' hairballs nevertheless.
sarchasm
> Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> trolled arw:
>
> I am now the [pseudo]-Ordained Wiccan [faux] Priest "Evergreen".
>
> Sid
>
The incidence of brooms flailing wildly about is to increase dramatically
now?
aine
>
> I am now the Ordained Wiccan Priest "Evergreen".
>
> It was a worthwhile experience. I felt very attuned to the natural
> world around me.
>
> Sid
>
> --http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
I am curious becoming a Wiccan Priest of the Goddess, why you chose a
waning crescent moon rather then wait for the new moon on the 26th
only 3 days away?
Do you follow the White Crone Goddess?
Sidney Lambe
(trolling on alt.religion.wicca)
I was hoping against hope of a kind word word from "Hope" when I
manually downloaded this article. (She's in my killfile after
I suffered through too much of her bitchiness.)
But it doesn't look she has any kind words in her.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.druid/msg/50c5fcbddbf009aa
"You know, I can't image how many sincere seekers about Drui that you
two have run off with your incessant school yard pissing contest. If
that was the true goal of either or both of you, congratulations! You
have succeeded admirably in thinning the ranks just as well as any
crusading Christians could have done.
I'm sure you will barely pause in your obsessive head butting long
enough read this, but at least I got it out of my system. I wonder if
you will finally stop when there is no audience left and yours are the
only posts in the forum? Alas, probably not.
Carry on then."
How many seekers do you think YOUR self-righteous, hypocritical
bitch mouth have driven away?
As for me being in your neighborhood, I am not. People like you
are not even allowed to walk through my neighborhood. It is
shielded against vermin like my newsreader is.
Now get back in my killfile with the headcase trolls and that
jerkoff charlatan "ren", whom you defend for reasons that utterly
baffle me. He's one sick puppy. If he wasn't a complete loser
with no magickal or political or economic power, he'd be a danger
to the public.
Would you folks on ARD please come and muzzle this bitch and
haul her back to her kennel?
Sid
--
AKA "Evergreen" An Ordained Wiccan Priest
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
ren
Ah, ever green, like the God of the Dead, Osiris. Set, out of
jealousy, puts you in your grave and chops you up into a million
pieces. Yet you keep returning from beyond. I like it. It suits you.
Merry meet, Sidney Evergreen.
As a Wiccan, you have committed yourself to the service of the
Goddesses and Gods of Wicca. Do your best.
Hope
> Hope <holleratwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (trolling on alt.religion.wicca)
>
> > On Jan 23, 7:01=A0pm, Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> It was a worthwhile experience. I felt very attuned to the natural
> >> world around me.
>
> > There goes the neighborhood...
>
> I was hoping against hope of a kind word word from "Hope" when I
> manually downloaded this article. (She's in my killfile after
> I suffered through too much of her bitchiness.)
*LMAO* What a liar you are! First you announce the hypocrisy of
your little "pseudo-ceremony," and then you act as if your very last
feeling is hurt when someone make fun of it. Poooor, misunderstood
Sidneystone. *sniff, lip quiver*
>
> But it doesn't look she has any kind words in her.
Not for someone who responded to my polite self-introduction by
telling me that because I'm an American, I am scum and unworthy to
share your air. Why the hell would I have a kind word for you? You
let me know in our initial encounter what you needed from me. I have
complied and given you another sparring partner with which to work out
some of your self-loathing issues. You can thank me next time around;
I know that's beyond your capabilities this time. But at least see if
you can summon enough character to be honest about your own script.
>
> How many seekers do you think YOUR self-righteous, hypocritical
> bitch mouth have driven away?
Seekers of what? If someone (like you) is seeking to disrupt a site
and keep on-topic discussions from taking place by trolling and
constant negative attacks, then it's fine with me if I drive them
away. Is this supposed to make me feel guilty or something?
*ROTFLMAO* This is the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Don't
worry, I know it was an accident. Like you.
>
> As for me being in your neighborhood, I am not.
You have no sense of humor. IMO, that is your very worst fault, in a
very long line of serious faults. :-(
> People like you
> are not even allowed to walk through my neighborhood. It is
> shielded against vermin like my newsreader is.
Ooooo, I must have hit a nerve. Sidneystone Pureheart's little "bitch
mouth" is in full-out flap mode. *LMAO*
Yeah, those are some really great shields you've got there. I mean,
look, here you are reading my posts and responding to me with such
passion! So either you're full of shit about your "shields," or
you've got a real thing for "vermin." Probably both.
>
> Now get back in my killfile with the headcase trolls
Okay, I'll play along with your "pseudo-reality." Why did you take me
out of this sophisticated killfile you claim to have in the first
place? Did you expect to see a post from me confessing that my
opinion of you has been wrong, and you really *are* the smartest and
most admirable person on the planet? Even you aren't that big an
idiot. You knew you were going to see another proof that I think you
are a hypocrite and a coward, and you were still compelled to read it
and respond. So I can add "masochist" to your list too.
> and that
> jerkoff charlatan "ren", whom you defend for reasons that utterly
> baffle me.
I don't defend him. In fact, we pretty much ignore one another. But
how would you know my opinion of him anyway, since I'm in your
killfile? And why would you care enough about it to comment on it?
You're slipping, sid. Focus. Stay in character. Otherwise it's
gonna take forever to get to Act III of this farce.
>
> Would you folks on ARD please come and muzzle this bitch and
> haul her back to her kennel?
They don't need to do that. You're already there. You've been there
all along. Relax. The cage is for your own protection.
>
An Coibhi Drui
I like that last sentence. I agree.
Cheers,
Michael.
aine
This is so funny. Again I had a dream a guy in a truck died. This is
freaking four now. I look up and this huge tree had fallen across this
truck and crushed it. I could see the guy in there dead.
So, I am reading your Merry meet Sidney Evergreen and suddenly it made
sense.
The Evergreens do not like the Sid has taken the name or playing games
with it.
I swear on the Ancients these are true dreams of mine.
sarchasm
>
> >> "Sidneysadsack-Lambe" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> It was a worthwhile experience. I felt very attuned to the natural
> >> world around me.
>
Unsurprisingly, reason itself baffles sadsack-sid. It has no place in his
trolling agenda so, he avoids it like he avoids facing his own insecurities.
>
> Would you folks on ARD please come and muzzle this bitch and
> haul her back to her kennel?
>
>They don't need to do that. You're already there. You've been there
>all along. Relax. The cage is for your own protection.
>
His cage must make it difficult to chase down all those strawman brooms with
evergreen handles he's loosed upon himself.
An Coibhi Drui
What a fortunate fellow you are, Sidney, this entails having a "go" at
the High Priestess, y'know !
Cheers,
Michael.
sarchasm
> "Hope" <holleratwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Sidney-snipe-Lambe" ineffectually commanded:
>
> > Now get back in my killfile with the headcase trolls
>
> Okay, I'll play along with your "pseudo-reality." Why did you take me
> out of this sophisticated killfile you claim to have in the first
> place? Did you expect to see a post from me confessing that my
> opinion of you has been wrong, and you really *are* the smartest and
> most admirable person on the planet? Even you aren't that big an
> idiot. You knew you were going to see another proof that I think you
> are a hypocrite and a coward, and you were still compelled to read it
> and respond. So I can add "masochist" to your list too.<
Sid does not have a killfile. He sets it up so he can get people to
believe he does not read insults or posts to him. Effective if done
correctly, unfortunately he unkillfiles so much all his hard work for
himself is moot.
I know you know all this Hope. We all keep replying like you do to a
point because we can not believe anyone could be this stupid or
arrogant. Human nature is not to give up on the mentally challenged.
He is not stupid, he is nothing but a gameplayer. He likes the sport
of hunting humans.
>
I disagree somewhat; he plays his troll game stupidly and is on a snipe-hunt
where he is the snipe.
Hope
> Sid does not have a killfile. He sets it up so he can get people to
> believe he does not read insults or posts to him. Effective if done
> correctly, unfortunately he unkillfiles so much all his hard work for
> himself is moot.
Yeah, I know. Otherwise he wouldn't keep trying so desperately to
make us believe this whole killfile/manually loaded b.s. I just like
to yank his chain. It helps me dispel my aggression safely, and with
minimal effort. Since I am quite lazy, sid is the kind of light
workout I prefer. I don't even have to work up a sweat. ;-)
>
> I know you know all this Hope. We all keep replying like you do to a
> point because we can not believe anyone could be this stupid or
> arrogant. Human nature is not to give up on the mentally challenged.
Well, I made a career of working with the physically and mentally
challenged. Sid's limitations are worse, because they are on a soul
level. He deliberately chooses them and will work hard to keep them,
even as they all work their way slowly and painfully to the surface to
be dealt with, like splinters lodged deep in soft tissue. The tissue
hardens around them protectively...then the white cells defend the
body and the pus and inflammation sets in...and finally the pressure
is released and the irritant can be expelled or pulled out. It's a
rather fascinating process to watch. It's even more fascinating when
you get someone like sid who keeps jabbing them back in.
> He is not stupid, he is nothing but a gameplayer. He likes the sport
> of hunting humans.
It would be less painful for him if he were stupid. I think it's more
of a compulsion than a game. He can only define himself in terms of
his "enemies." He'd be completely lost and adrift without someone to
hate and feel superior to. That often happens when the blueprint gets
twisted early on in the growth process. But there are lessons he
needs to learn from it.
He can learn them and grow. Or he can continue to try to control
everything and everyone and blame his pain on that which he insists on
seeing as "outside" himself. It's his choice, here in the Free Will
Zone. Some people do choose to just keep banging their heads with a
hammer. That pain is theirs, and they ain't gonna share even that.
They are afraid if they put the hammer down, somebody else might take
it and "beat them" at being a masochist. *G*
ren
> He is not stupid, he is nothing but a gameplayer. He likes the sport
> of hunting humans.
Jon isn't stupid. But he is intoxicated all day and because of his
chemical imbalance, he can't keep his stories straight.
ren
> I swear on the Ancients these are true dreams of mine.
Oh yes.
ren
> I disagree somewhat; he plays his troll game stupidly and is on a snipe-hunt
> where he is the snipe.
He does seem to enjoy being abused. I've been reading Sidney Lambe's
dox. This guy has had a hellish childhood and has been in and out of
mental hospitals his whole life.
odubh...@gmail.com
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's not all cakes and ale? <shocked look>
Searles O'Dubhain
storm
Be warned. If you have truly self-initiated as a Wiccan, you are then
sworn to connection, however loose, to someone like me. I don't think
you are ready for such a system shock of acceptance, but the ritual
may have empowered you with that ability.
If you have self initiated then I am sure that you will gladly
repudiate any ill will that has passed between us. Also, I am sure
that, based on the history of ill will your presence on this forum,
you will gladly accept that some people may have honest doubts that
you have done so. In order to help dispell doubt, I offer a simple
question. "How did it feel at that very moment of initiation?" I
have found that, outside of any documentation in books, there is a
subtle but significant difference in response to that question when
asked of coven inititated and self initiated Wiccans. It is not
universal, but it is general enough to start some specific
conversations. Also, even when reluctant to discuss any other
details, I have yet to meet anyone who wasn't more than ready to
discuss that feeling, so it makes for a safe and polite question.
I look forward to your answer and the subtleties it will reveal, about
you and your initiation. And I offer you the greeting I would offer
to all those who share kinship with me as children of God and Goddess.
Merry Meet.
-storm
Sidney Lambe
> On Jan 23, 6:01=A0pm, Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> > Got all the stuff together. Athame and altar cloth and censer and
>> > incense and candles and salt and water and cakes and wine and...
>>
>> > Studied the entire ritual carefully. Got a good handle
>> > on casting a circle and consecrating it. Practiced those
>> > two rituals several times.
>>
>> > I do not know what my sacred name will be. The gods will tell
>> > me tomorrow.
>>
>> > (Gonna be a chilly willy morning. The naked part will be challenging,
>> > but this needs to be done outside among the trees and herbs.)
>>
>> Took all day. The first time through the ritual didn't go well and
>> I didn't get a name, so I moved to another location and did it all
>> over.
>>
>> I am now the Ordained Wiccan Priest "Evergreen".
>>
>> It was a worthwhile experience. I felt very attuned to the natural
>> world around me.
>>
>> Sid
>>
>> --http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
>
> Be warned. If you have truly self-initiated as a Wiccan, you are then
> sworn to connection, however loose, to someone like me.
Okay. There were parts of the ritual that could be interpreted
that way.
> I don't think you are ready for such a system shock of
> acceptance, but the ritual may have empowered you with that
> ability.
I am bound in some sense to all human beings and the earth.
> If you have self initiated then I am sure that you will gladly
> repudiate any ill will that has passed between us.
I don't feel any ill will towards you. I just disagree with
some of the things you say and tend to be rather harsh.
> Also, I am sure that, based on the history of ill will your
> presence on this forum,
_My_ ill will? No mention of ren's ongoing attacks on me, most
of which involve outrageous lies about me?
> you will gladly accept that some people may have honest doubts
> that you have done so.
You are talking about people who are obviously against me.
Period. Who spend most of their time attacking me. Who have no
compunctions against posting horrible lies about me. I don't give
shit what these assholes think about anything. If I said I was
male they'd say I was lying.
Even if they knew for sure that I had completed the ritual
satisfactorily they would say that I hadn't.
> In order to help dispell doubt, I offer a simple question. "How
> did it feel at that very moment of initiation?" I have found
> that, outside of any documentation in books, there is a subtle
> but significant difference in response to that question when
> asked of coven inititated and self initiated Wiccans. It is
> not universal, but it is general enough to start some specific
> conversations. Also, even when reluctant to discuss any other
> details, I have yet to meet anyone who wasn't more than ready
> to discuss that feeling, so it makes for a safe and polite
> question.
>
> I look forward to your answer and the subtleties it will
> reveal, about you and your initiation. And I offer you the
> greeting I would offer to all those who share kinship with me
> as children of God and Goddess.
>
> Merry Meet.
Thank you very much, storm.
The first time I went through the ritual, it didn't go well
and I didn't receive a name. So I moved to another place
in the woods there, one that felt better, and did it again.
Despite the cold, I felt a growing kinship with the natural
world as I worked through the ritual and when I got to this
part:
Lay again on your back as you regain your breath. As
soon as you have your breath back stand in front of the
altar and annoint yourself thus:
Dip a finger in the oil and mark a cross : 1. on the
left breast (male or female), 2. on the right breast,
3. Just above the pubic hair. This is the sigil of the
first degree, the downward pointing triangle. Say "I
annoint myself priest/ess of the old religion, and I
take the name (speak your magical name quietly)."
The name "Evergreen" came to me from seeming nowhere/everywhere.
But let's not carried away here, storm. That ritual is a
completely artificial construction that some scholar made up.
There's nothing about it that has any properties that a thousand
other similar constructions don't have.
I could write a hundred others that would invoke the same
feelings that wouldn't use any of the terminology of the
semi-religion Wicca.
I enjoyed the experience. Am I really reborn a Wicca? Sure.
Big deal. I was also at one time baptized a Christian. Sure.
Big deal.
Empty rituals based on fictional metaphysics do not change
people.
Real magick changes people.
I guess you could now call me a reformer priest. :-)
Sid
--
AKA "Evergreen" an Ordained Wiccan Priest
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
undsalsufy
> I am curious becoming a Wiccan Priest of the Goddess, why you chose a
> waning crescent moon rather then wait for the new moon on the 26th
> only 3 days away?
>
> Do you follow the White Crone Goddess?
LOL :)
sarchasm
>
>He does seem to enjoy being abused. I've been reading Sidney Lambe's
>dox. This guy has had a hellish childhood and has been in and out of
>mental hospitals his whole life.
>
If years of therapy have been to no avail for him, pretending to be wiccan
priesthood after a shake 'n bake rite, (in order to troll arw), won't do him
much good either.
sarchasm
"storm" <st...@frii.com> wrote
> Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> I am now the Ordained Wiccan Priest "Evergreen".
>
>Also, I am sure
>that, based on the history of ill will your presence on this forum,
>you will gladly accept that some people may have honest doubts that
>you have done so.
>-storm
>
Not bad sarcasm there, storm.
sarchasm
>>"storm" <st...@frii.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have self initiated then I am sure that you will gladly
>> repudiate any ill will that has passed between us.
>
> I don't feel any ill will towards you. I just disagree with
> some of the things you say and tend to be rather harsh.
>
[More accurately, the archives show "sidneylambe" initiating the
flame-attacks]
>
>> Also, I am sure that, based on the history of ill will your
>> presence on this forum,
>
> _My_ ill will? No mention of ren's ongoing attacks on me, most
> of which involve outrageous lies about me?
>
[As the archives show, "sidneylambe" *arrived* on arw trolling ren and
flaming and others. In response, "sidneylambe" was trolled and flamed and
now cries 'martyr']
>
>> you will gladly accept that some people may have honest doubts
>> that you have done so.
>
> You are talking about people who are obviously against me.
> Period. Who spend most of their time attacking me. Who have no
> compunctions against posting horrible lies about me. I don't give
> shit what these assholes think about anything.
>
[As the archives show, "sidneylambe" *arrived* on arw trolling and flaming
ren and others. In response, "sidneylambe" was trolled and flamed and now
cries 'martyr']
>
> If I said I was male they'd say I was lying.
>
If "sidneylambe" claimed that dogs barked, many people would seek
verification as well.
>
> Even if they knew for sure that I had completed the ritual
> satisfactorily they would say that I hadn't.
>
A ritual performed as an empty rite lacks substance - especially if
performed merely to claim an empty title, (with which to use as a trolling
club against more sincere wiccans).
> [...]
>
> Empty rituals based on fictional metaphysics do not change people.
>
Of course not. Only fictional metaphysics such as taught by
SidEverGreenMeds' fictional "teacher" can do that.
>
> Real magick changes people.
>
This goes far to account for SidGreenMeds remaining unchanged.
>
> I guess you could now call me a reformer priest. :-)
>
SidGreenMeds never spell-checks and has misspelled, "retarded pest".
>
> Sid -- AKA "EvergreenMeds" an unOrdained Wiccan Pest
> [edited for accuracy]
ren
during the self-initiation.
"I felt a growing kinship with the natural world as I worked through
the ritual"
I anxiously await Storm's response.
sarchasm
I'm guessing storm would be giving "sidney's" sincerity the benefit of the
doubt there.
storm
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Okay, lets keep assuming you actually did this rather rare and unusual
thing and you did it with full and proper magical intent. You claim
to be a student of magic, and so I am assuming you never do it just
for play or just for attention or just to mislead some poor supposedly
gullible Wiccan.
Stated clearly or not, creating a bond between us is part of what that
ritual does. We are kin and not just kin by blood but kin by choice,
something not easily discounted. We are committed to Love and Trust
until there is betrayal and we are commited to not deliberately look
for betrayal, because it can always be found or inferred if you are
looking for it. In other words, being nice to each other.
>
> > I don't think you are ready for such a system shock of
> > acceptance, but the ritual may have empowered you with that
> > ability.
>
> I am bound in some sense to all human beings and the earth.
Yep. But there are differing levels of connection. The one you say
you have committed to goes beyond sharing the carbon and oxygen
cycle. It is not as casual an event as you seem to think or imply.
>
> > If you have self initiated then I am sure that you will gladly
> > repudiate any ill will that has passed between us.
>
> I don't feel any ill will towards you. I just disagree with
> some of the things you say and tend to be rather harsh.
"Rather harsh" is as much an understatement as saying I occasionally
get wordy and preachy. Really now, face the facts. You have been
downright nasty on these boards. The point that keeps coming up in my
mind is the idea you repeatedly pronounced that you are here to
prevent people from being duped by Wiccans like me. That ranks a lot
higher than "a little harsh". I have no idea why you walk into a
newsgroup, loudly and extremely declare everyone else's life-long
religious beliefs completely invalid and expect a positive warm
welcoming response. Surely, you are more intelligent than that.
Somewhere in those oaths should have been something about self-
honesty. Not self-judgement, since this is not a judgemental religion
but a celebratory one, but self honesty and awareness of how our
thoughts and statements affect ourselves and others. If you seriously
plan to make Wicca a part of your magical and spiritual development,
then this is a point I must stress, as I do with anyone, not just
you. You have sworn to be a magical being. As such you have an
affect on others. Unless you deliberately choose to be a Chaos
magician, then you have to look to make your affect a benefit to
others, not a burden. You are responsible for the results of your
gifts and your actions.
That is one of the drawbacks to being Wiccan. We can no longer blame
other people for things. We are witches. We own what happens inside
us and around us.
>
> > Also, I am sure that, based on the history of ill will your
> > presence on this forum,
>
> _My_ ill will? No mention of ren's ongoing attacks on me, most
> of which involve outrageous lies about me?
Ill will often goes both ways regardless of who starts it. What
matters is who stops it. That is how you can tell the superior
magician, if you are looking for measurements of superiortity. (a
silly process at best)(I often compare it to two guys arguing over who
has the longer penis. This is an especially effective comment if you
are talking about two HPS's having a witch war.) If your teacher has
not taught you that, then you are indeed at beginner status. Either
that, or your teacher teaches only technique and not responsibility.
I have seen that time and time again and always obect to it. If no
one else will teach you your responsibility to others, especially your
Wicca kin, even Ren (who sometimes challenges my acceptance levels,
too), then you must teach it to yourself. Good luck.
>
> > you will gladly accept that some people may have honest doubts
> > that you have done so.
>
> You are talking about people who are obviously against me.
> Period. Who spend most of their time attacking me. Who have no
> compunctions against posting horrible lies about me. I don't give
> shit what these assholes think about anything. If I said I was
> male they'd say I was lying.
Yes. And as said above, I no longer care "Who started it", It is an
excuse for stupid behavior on both sides of a conversation. It is an
excuse I never took from my children. Why should I take it from a
grown adult? You are as much responsible for your responses as I am
for mine.
Talking for myself, much as I would like to believe every word you
say, I would be even more foolish and gullible than usual if I did not
look for some sort of corrobative detail from a perfect stranger on
the Internet when they claimed such an unusual event as you have. I
am sure you understand that.
>
> Even if they knew for sure that I had completed the ritual
> satisfactorily they would say that I hadn't.
Yes, that is highly probable and not very surprising. How would you
deal with that magically? By doing the equivalent of yelling louder
than they do? Is that what your teacher teaches you?
>
> > In order to help dispell doubt, I offer a simple question. "How
> > did it feel at that very moment of initiation?" I have found
> > that, outside of any documentation in books, there is a subtle
> > but significant difference in response to that question when
> > asked of coven inititated and self initiated Wiccans. It is
> > not universal, but it is general enough to start some specific
> > conversations. Also, even when reluctant to discuss any other
> > details, I have yet to meet anyone who wasn't more than ready
> > to discuss that feeling, so it makes for a safe and polite
> > question.
>
> > I look forward to your answer and the subtleties it will
> > reveal, about you and your initiation. And I offer you the
> > greeting I would offer to all those who share kinship with me
> > as children of God and Goddess.
>
> > Merry Meet.
>
> Thank you very much, storm.
>
> The first time I went through the ritual, it didn't go well
> and I didn't receive a name. So I moved to another place
> in the woods there, one that felt better, and did it again.
> Despite the cold, I felt a growing kinship with the natural
> world as I worked through the ritual and when I got to this
> part:
Interesting. The difference between coven based intiate reaction and
self-initiate reaction is that the first is more like a re-birth while
the second is like a blossoming. These are rough approximates, based
on anecdotal accumulation, and there are always, always, exceptions,
so take all that for what it is worth. Your description can fall
loosely within the blossoming category, so, as I said, very
interesting.
What is missing is any degree of intensity. Whatever the reaction, it
is usually described in some sort of superlatives or enthusiasm or
something. In person, there is often an irresistible grin, especially
if the initiation is recent. If you show people that grin with a hand
mirror, they are sometimes quite surprised and might even blush. Many
have a feeling that is similar to losing one's verginity, "Does it
show? Can everybody tell?"
Your description contains none of that. That is not a very good
sign. Either you really don't believe any of this hooey and were
just going through enjoyable motions, or the initiation did not take
very well and needs some serious study and work if it is to grow to a
reality. You have no use or respect for the books and such available,
so study of that will do you no good. At that point, you need to do
something like compose, from scratch, your own full moon ritual (or
whatever phase fits you, but full moon is easiest) and practice it for
a few moons worth. If it isn't having a noticeable emotional and
spiritual effect on you in about six moons worth, then this may not be
the path for you.
>
> Lay again on your back as you regain your breath. As
> soon as you have your breath back stand in front of the
> altar and annoint yourself thus:
> Dip a finger in the oil and mark a cross : 1. on the
> left breast (male or female), 2. on the right breast,
> 3. Just above the pubic hair. This is the sigil of the
> first degree, the downward pointing triangle. Say "I
> annoint myself priest/ess of the old religion, and I
> take the name (speak your magical name quietly)."
>
> The name "Evergreen" came to me from seeming nowhere/everywhere.
Not a bad name, better than something like Lord Brightstar
Crystalheart, for sure, or yet another Merlin. I never offer my name-
in-circle outside of circle, so I won't comment further either way.
The subject of magical naming is a whole controversial seminar in and
of itself. :-)
> But let's not carried away here, storm. That ritual is a
> completely artificial construction that some scholar made up.
> There's nothing about it that has any properties that a thousand
> other similar constructions don't have.
The one thing that you never seem to understand or acknowledge is that
I agree with you completely on that statement.
It never bothers me at all that this is a made up religion. I make up
parts of it for myself on a constant basis. As far as I am concerned,
all religions are made up, starting with some story someone tells
someone else and going from there. This invalidates none of them.
There are truths in stories that do not fit in equations or essays.
They are Love, Beauty, appreciation of Music, fascination with Horror,
and on and on. They are the things that makes us people people. And
we must know who we are as people if we are to know who we are as
magicians.
>
> I could write a hundred others that would invoke the same
> feelings that wouldn't use any of the terminology of the
> semi-religion Wicca.
Then go for it! Seriously, no irony intended. Do what works for you
and allow others to do what works for them unmolested. That is all I
have ever really asked of you.
>
> I enjoyed the experience. Am I really reborn a Wicca? Sure.
> Big deal. I was also at one time baptized a Christian. Sure.
> Big deal.
Ay, there's the rub. If you consider it such a minor thing, no more
than having one more freckle, then that is all it will ever be. The
same is true for any magical ability you may or may not have. In
fact, I believe you have stated yourself that since so many people are
convinced they have no magical ability, then they don't, that all
things start from meditation and the opening of awareness to ability.
To my observation, the isues of perception and intent are at the heart
of all magic, and to all religion.
>
> Empty rituals based on fictional metaphysics do not change
> people.
Wrong. It changes people for both good and ill. History is full of
examples. If you go out and talk to people you will find examples for
yourself. I know Christian people whose vision of Christ in their
life has made them the most wonderful friends and the most gently
active of community organizers for charities, organizers who do so by
first setting the example of doing. I have known Christians who use
their version of Christ in their life to become hateful selfish
bigots, and they create divisiveness, hate, and sometimes actual
physical harm. To deny the effect of religion completely seems to be
a voluntary self blinding act.
>
> Real magick changes people.
Yes. I never denied that. The only denial going on has been your
denial that my magic is real or that my religion is valid. Do you
still deny that of your fellow Wiccan? I offer no proof of magic
ability. I offer no logical reason to say that Wicca is valid. And
still, I would ask of my kin-in-Wicca that my way just might be valid,
even if only for me. Will you grant that little boon? As a friendly
gift to another Wiccan? That is the request and the challenge I offer
you, as I have to so many others. And from their responses, or lack
of direct response, I have learned much in my life. And so, I look to
learn from you.
>
> I guess you could now call me a reformer priest. :-)
If I lost 50 pounds, I would be a re-formed priest. ;-)
>
> Sid
>
> --
> AKA "Evergreen" an Ordained Wiccan Priest
-storm (just storm, after all the years and titles, 'tis all I need
to be)
storm
It is what I am oathed to do, even when it seems foolish to others. I
acknowledge that living up to one's oaths like this can leave you open
to mockery and betrayal both, but still must offer teaching if there
looks like any chance of learning. (and who knows who is the learner,
the student or some eavesdropper?) You and I have had conversations
before about "honor". This is the way I must live up to mine.
-storm
Sidney Lambe
[delete]
> Okay, lets keep assuming you actually did this rather rare and unusual
> thing and you did it with full and proper magical intent. You claim
> to be a student of magic, and so I am assuming you never do it just
> for play or just for attention or just to mislead some poor supposedly
> gullible Wiccan.
If you start demanding proof of initiation from all the Wiccans you
meet you are going to be a very unpopular person.
And then you'll have to prove that _you_ did the ritual properly, which
could be pretty difficult.
> Stated clearly or not, creating a bond between us is part of what that
> ritual does. We are kin and not just kin by blood but kin by choice,
> something not easily discounted. We are committed to Love and Trust
> until there is betrayal and we are commited to not deliberately look
> for betrayal, because it can always be found or inferred if you are
> looking for it. In other words, being nice to each other.
That is not what the ritual is primarily about. It is about being
reborn as a Wiccan, a magickal being.
And being familiar with you, and your friends here, I know that
by "being nice" you mean agreeing with everything you say, which
has nothing to do with the ritual.
I also have to ask you once again: Why are you not telling your
friends here, "ren" and "aine" in particular, to quit harassing
anyone who has an opinion that differs from theres. And especially
to quit posting vicious lies about them?
You want me to be "nice" but it's okay for your old friends
to be sadistic and sociopathic?
Sorry. I am not buying it.
[delete]
>> > If you have self initiated then I am sure that you will gladly
>> > repudiate any ill will that has passed between us.
>>
>> I don't feel any ill will towards you. I just disagree with
>> some of the things you say and tend to be rather harsh.
>
> "Rather harsh" is as much an understatement as saying I occasionally
> get wordy and preachy. Really now, face the facts. You have been
> downright nasty on these boards.
I haven't been anywhere near as nasty as your friend "ren". I haven't
posted vicious lies about him, which he has done about me, over and
over again. I haven't tried to have him kicked off his newsserver,
which he has done to me. I haven't threatened to kill him or
scramble his brains with magick, which he has done to me.
You have some ugly and twisted friends, storm. And it looks like
their sickness has rubbed off on you.
[delete]
aine
Again with the aine and ren show. You seem to feel very threatened by
aine and ren.
You came in here with the chip and it is what the bottom line is to
your existence here.
I do not agree with Storm. One person can be the problem. One a bully
and the others victim of the bully that decides not to be a victim
anymore.
Are we responsible for how we react? You bet. I take responsibility to
react eye for eye when empathy, sympathy or even reasoning fail.
Do I punish one of my kids if he finally stands up for himself to one
who is pushing buttons and instigating? No.
I watch the situation. The whole way through making sure they
understand what reasoning is. Giving it a fair shake and then step up
and refuse it eye for an eye. Let the universe handle the extra debt
owed.
Passive, I am not. Passive Priestess..I am not. Victims come first.
They are not equal with the bully.
ren
> I haven't been anywhere near as nasty as your friend "ren". I haven't
> posted vicious lies about him, which he has done about me, over and
> over again. I haven't tried to have him kicked off his newsserver,
> which he has done to me. I haven't threatened to kill him or
> scramble his brains with magick, which he has done to me.
Your re-mailer promised to disconnect you after threatening me. If you
are a member of Anonymous Hate Group, at least one of you is going to
jail for stalking and harassing this Internet person.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Applemilk1988
I think that you are Jonathon and Brian who has a youtube video
endorsing rape, and a harassing video of this girl.
http://www.youtubeds.com/index.php?pg=1&idve=Y0_MnTp3Xv0 This is
evidence.
I read this website and I honestly feel my MySpace friend is in
danger. Sidney Lambe, you need help. I am going to inform the
appropriate agency here in Tokyo and the FBI about this website. In
the meantime, I have crossposted this to alt.law-enforcement in the
hopes that someone interested in protecting this girl looks further
into your Internet cyber-stalking activities.
Sidney Lambe
This loon and charlatan is in my killfile, but I couldn't resist
manually downloading the article when I saw that it was a reply
to my article and with a subject like that.
ren <ren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 5:16=A0am, Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I haven't been anywhere near as nasty as your friend "ren". I haven't
>> posted vicious lies about him, which he has done about me, over and
>> over again. I haven't tried to have him kicked off his newsserver,
>> which he has done to me. I haven't threatened to kill him or
>> scramble his brains with magick, which he has done to me.
>
> Your re-mailer promised to disconnect you after threatening me.
I don't have a re-mailer and I never threatened you. I passed
on a threat from a third party that was mailed to me. If you
were a rational person you would have thanked me for it. Instead
you tried to convince my newsserver administration that I had
threatened you.
So they read the message and realized that you were a loon and
didn't do it.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/fd7c660ae6259707
> If you are a member of Anonymous Hate Group, at least one of
> you is going to jail for stalking and harassing this Internet
> person. http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Applemilk1988
I have no idea who those people are. I have never talked about
them.
Where do you get this crap?
>
> I think that you are Jonathon and Brian
You also think you are a magickal adept.
(Who are Brian and Jonathon? Will someone please get
me a program?)
> who has a youtube
> video endorsing rape, and a harassing video of this girl.
> http://www.youtubeds.com/index.php?pg=3D1&idve=3DY0_MnTp3Xv0
> This is evidence.
Of your defective morals and intellect.
>
> I read this website and I honestly feel my MySpace friend
> is in danger. Sidney Lambe, you need help. I am going to
> inform the appropriate agency here in Tokyo and the FBI about
> this website. In the meantime, I have crossposted this to
> alt.law-enforcement in the hopes that someone interested
> in protecting this girl looks further into your Internet
> cyber-stalking activities.
Good grief. I think that some nice young men in clean white
coats with syringes full of sleepy juice need to pay "ren"
a visit real soon, and take him away to a nice room with
padded walls where they'll make sure that he doesn't harm
himself.
And all this is from someone who has on many occassions threated
to use his supposed magickal abilities to kill and maim people.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/82b7a3e277dcaa04
My ISP has logs of all of my internet activities. I will sign a
release to anyone who wants to examine them.
Ask "ren" if he will do the same. He has a seizure if anyone even
suggests that he identify himself so that they can investigate
all his claims.
Sid
--
AKA "Evergreen" a Wiccan Priest
and Apprentice Magician
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (at) gmail (dot) com
sarchasm
> "sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "ren" <ren1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is Sidney's answer to Storms question about what Sidney felt
> > during the self-initiation.
>
> > "I felt a growing kinship with the natural world as I worked through the
> > ritual"
>
> > I anxiously await Storm's response.
>
> I'm guessing storm would be giving "sidney's" sincerity the benefit of the
> doubt there.
>
>You and I have had conversations
>before about "honor". This is the way I must live up to mine.
>- storm
>
That is well. Given his subsequent response(s), you were wise to retain a
vigilent wariness within being honor-bound.
Jack
names that hangs out on that kook group. You don't see it because you
killfile all that stuff.
It is hard to imagine a less credible source in the world.
Jack
ren
> This loon and charlatan is in my killfile, but I couldn't resist
> manually downloading the article when I saw that it was a reply
> to my article and with a subject like that.
Of course you couldn't.
> I don't have a re-mailer and I never threatened you. I passed
> on a threat from a third party that was mailed to me. If you
X-Private.Org is a re-mailer. Don't play dumb.
> I have no idea who those people are. I have never talked about
> them.
> My ISP has logs of all of my internet activities. I will sign a
> release to anyone who wants to examine them.
Your signature isn't needed.
Hope
> Ren gets this stuff from that sickhead troll. The one with a thousand
> names that hangs out on that kook group. You don't see it because you
> killfile all that stuff.
>
> It is hard to imagine a less credible source in the world.
>
sarchasm
> "Jack-the-shill" <nos...@please.invalid> wrote:
>
> It is hard to imagine a less credible source in the world.
>
>No, actually, it's incredibly easy...
>
Especially if "jack" were to glimpse his own reflection in his monitor.
ren
> Especially if "jack" were to glimpse his own reflection in his monitor.
He might frighten himself.
Sidney Lambe
> Ren gets this stuff from that sickhead troll. The one with a thousand
> names that hangs out on that kook group. You don't see it because you
> killfile all that stuff.
>
> It is hard to imagine a less credible source in the world.
>
That figures. And he doesn't care whether his sources are credible
or not, which tallies with his other behavior on ARW.
A long time ago, when that troll first started harassing me, I read
some of the stuff he posted that was supposed to be about me. When
I got to the part where he said that I lived out in the woods with
a bunch of Bigfoots (or something like that) I realized I was dealing
with a crazy.
Ren wants to drive me away because I say that the nonsense he copies
from websites (while pretending it's his own material) isn't real
magickal lore at all and doesn't work.
So what does he do? He promptly sets about proving that it doesn't
work by resorting to really vicious trolling like this where a
real magickal adept would simply use his magick to drive me away.
He apparently thinks that everyone on these groups is a moron who
can't tell the difference between a magician and a troll.
sarchasm
> "sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Especially if "jack" were to glimpse his own reflection in his monitor.
>
>He might frighten himself.
>
And, spook his alter-ego 'Jill'.
sarchasm
>
He apparently thinks that [sid*] is a moron who
can't tell the difference between a magician and a troll.
>
* - [editorial correction for accuracy suggested]
storm
> storm <st...@frii.com> wrote:
>
> [delete]
>
> > Okay, lets keep assuming you actually did this rather rare and unusual
> > thing and you did it with full and proper magical intent. You claim
> > to be a student of magic, and so I am assuming you never do it just
> > for play or just for attention or just to mislead some poor supposedly
> > gullible Wiccan.
>
> If you start demanding proof of initiation from all the Wiccans you
> meet you are going to be a very unpopular person.
You know. In all these years, you are the very first person who has
objected even the least little bit. Everyone else has instantly
understood my caution and respected it. An interesting difference,
and a fairly revealing one at that. One I am sure any outside reader
of this thread will pick up on. You have said more by not not saying
things than you know.
>
> And then you'll have to prove that _you_ did the ritual properly, which
> could be pretty difficult.
My posts are full of anecdotal evidence that I live this life and have
done so for years. I have talked about myself, my rituals, my
arguments with other Wiccans, and on and on and on. My bona fides are
there to be found and easily so. As for proof, I never offer any
because it is impossible, only plausibility is possible, and you are
not achieving that. Even those who find me dull and boring, or
disagree with me vehemently, have never doubted that I am authentic.
The only conclusion I can come to is that you are deliberately
ignoring the anecdotal evidence laid out there over the years.
>
> > Stated clearly or not, creating a bond between us is part of what that
> > ritual does. We are kin and not just kin by blood but kin by choice,
> > something not easily discounted. We are committed to Love and Trust
> > until there is betrayal and we are commited to not deliberately look
> > for betrayal, because it can always be found or inferred if you are
> > looking for it. In other words, being nice to each other.
>
> That is not what the ritual is primarily about. It is about being
> reborn as a Wiccan, a magickal being.
You, being an expert instead of a beginning student, suddenly know
more than I the intent and effects of a Wiccan initiation. You,
admittedly having been through only one, know more than I, having been
through many. No. You are not that good.
>
> And being familiar with you, and your friends here, I know that
> by "being nice" you mean agreeing with everything you say, which
> has nothing to do with the ritual.
Bullshit, pure and simple. I never asked you to agree with me, but
disagree politely. That can easily be checked by anyone who does or
does not wish to see which one of us is consistent, which one of us
replies and which one of us dodges.
>
> I also have to ask you once again: Why are you not telling your
> friends here, "ren" and "aine" in particular, to quit harassing
> anyone who has an opinion that differs from theres. And especially
> to quit posting vicious lies about them?
I no more control them than you do. Nore do I wish to. And what does
that have to do with courtesy between you and me? "Mom, the other
kids are saying nasty words. Why can't I say nasty words, too?"
"Because you are supposed to know better, aren't you?" You are
supposed to know better. What they are supposed to know is up to
them. It is you and I being talked about. You avoid our issue by
bringing up their issue. Avoidance behavior is childish in one who
claims to be as intelligent as you.
>
> You want me to be "nice" but it's okay for your old friends
> to be sadistic and sociopathic?
No, it's not okay to be sadisitic and sociopathic, but we weren't
talking about them until you brought them up.
>
> Sorry. I am not buying it.
And I am not buying your story any more either.
>
> [delete]
>
> >> > If you have self initiated then I am sure that you will gladly
> >> > repudiate any ill will that has passed between us.
>
> >> I don't feel any ill will towards you. I just disagree with
> >> some of the things you say and tend to be rather harsh.
>
> > "Rather harsh" is as much an understatement as saying I occasionally
> > get wordy and preachy. Really now, face the facts. You have been
> > downright nasty on these boards.
>
> I haven't been anywhere near as nasty as your friend "ren". I haven't
> posted vicious lies about him, which he has done about me, over and
> over again. I haven't tried to have him kicked off his newsserver,
> which he has done to me. I haven't threatened to kill him or
> scramble his brains with magick, which he has done to me.
>
> You have some ugly and twisted friends, storm. And it looks like
> their sickness has rubbed off on you.
>
It only looks like that to you. Over and over, the facts reveal
themselves to anyone who looks at both sides of the conversation.
You have no need for me. I can be of no service to you. I wish I
could say I was disappointed in you, but I am not. There are few more
bitter curses I can offer other than to wish you be surrounded by
others like yourself for the rest of your life. In the meantime...
I tell you once.
I tell you twice.
I tell you thrice.
Go away.
This is my will. So mote it be.
-storm
Sidney Lambe
> On Jan 26, 1:16=A0pm, Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> storm <st...@frii.com> wrote:
>>
>> [delete]
>>
>> > Okay, lets keep assuming you actually did this rather rare and unusual
>> > to be a student of magic, and so I am assuming you never do it just
>> > for play or just for attention or just to mislead some poor supposedly
>> > gullible Wiccan.
>>
>> If you start demanding proof of initiation from all the Wiccans you
>> meet you are going to be a very unpopular person.
>
> You know. In all these years, you are the very first person who has
> objected even the least little bit. Everyone else has instantly
> understood my caution and respected it. An interesting difference,
> and a fairly revealing one at that. One I am sure any outside reader
> of this thread will pick up on. You have said more by not not saying
> things than you know.
I have never seen you demand proof of initiation from anyone but me,
so that makes little sense.
>> And then you'll have to prove that _you_ did the ritual properly, which
>> could be pretty difficult.
>
> My posts are full of anecdotal evidence that I live this life and have
> done so for years. I have talked about myself, my rituals, my
> arguments with other Wiccans, and on and on and on. My bona fides are
> there to be found and easily so.
If one accepts the "bona fides" of a Wiccan to be the ability to sound
like one on the internet, sure.
Although anyone could do that just by reading some webpages and some
of the posts on this group and the various forums.
> As for proof, I never offer any because it is impossible, only
> plausibility is possible, and you are not achieving that.
Yeh. I know. I am supposed to pretend that I believe the fictional,
psuedo-magickal, elitist, new-age woo-woo that you and your buddies
spew all day long, pretending that you are sharing Great Mysteries
that make you spiritually/magickally advanced and enlightened.
Sorry. I am student of magick, not a student of how to fit into a
a little cult of spiritual snobs who know nothing about magick
but want the world to believe they do.
[delete]
aine
Since you have killfiled everyone here but a couple, so you say. Have
nothing to add to arw yourself. No one cares for you here and you do
not care for anyone.
Let me teach a student of magick a very easy spell.
Tools:
Keyboard
Computer
Any time of the day or night or moon phase:
Collect your tools.
Sit relaxed
Type in Google Groups.
Press start new group.
Write on the parchment screen the information they ask for for your
personal chant and mantra.
Pick the magickal name of your group.
Ta Da..instant proof magick exists..and all by your doing Sid.
Sidney Lambe
> On Jan 26, 1:16=A0pm, Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> storm <st...@frii.com> wrote:
>>
>> [delete]
>>
>> > Okay, lets keep assuming you actually did this rather rare and unusual
>> > to be a student of magic, and so I am assuming you never do it just
>> > for play or just for attention or just to mislead some poor supposedly
>> > gullible Wiccan.
>>
>> If you start demanding proof of initiation from all the Wiccans you
>> meet you are going to be a very unpopular person.
>
> You know. In all these years, you are the very first person who has
> objected even the least little bit. Everyone else has instantly
> understood my caution and respected it. An interesting difference,
> and a fairly revealing one at that. One I am sure any outside reader
> of this thread will pick up on. You have said more by not not saying
> things than you know.
>
>>
>> And then you'll have to prove that _you_ did the ritual properly, which
>> could be pretty difficult.
>
> My posts are full of anecdotal evidence that I live this life and have
> done so for years. I have talked about myself, my rituals, my
> arguments with other Wiccans, and on and on and on. My bona fides are
> there to be found and easily so. As for proof, I never offer any
> because it is impossible, only plausibility is possible, and you are
> not achieving that. Even those who find me dull and boring, or
> disagree with me vehemently, have never doubted that I am authentic.
> The only conclusion I can come to is that you are deliberately
> ignoring the anecdotal evidence laid out there over the years.
>
>>
>> > Stated clearly or not, creating a bond between us is part of what that
>> > something not easily discounted. =A0We are committed to Love and Trust
>> > until there is betrayal and we are commited to not deliberately look
>> > for betrayal, because it can always be found or inferred if you are
>> > downright nasty on these boards.
>>
>> I haven't been anywhere near as nasty as your friend "ren". I haven't
>> posted vicious lies about him, which he has done about me, over and
>> over again. I haven't tried to have him kicked off his newsserver,
>> which he has done to me. I haven't threatened to kill him or
>> scramble his brains with magick, which he has done to me.
>>
>> You have some ugly and twisted friends, storm. And it looks like
>> their sickness has rubbed off on you.
>>
>
> It only looks like that to you. Over and over, the facts reveal
> themselves to anyone who looks at both sides of the conversation.
>
> You have no need for me. I can be of no service to you.
I have never asked for anything of you. Nor can I imagine how a
vicious creep and psuedo-magician like you could be of service
to me.
> I wish I could say I was disappointed in you, but I am not.
I don't care what you are disappointed in. I do not require your
consent nor approval for anything.
I'd suggest that you pull your fat head out of your ass, but that
might require the aid of a surgeon.
> There are few more bitter curses I can offer other than to wish
> you be surrounded by others like yourself for the rest of your
> life.
You are very good at being exceptionally vicious.
I guess this is your idea of being spiritually advanced.
> In the meantime...
>
> I tell you once.
> I tell you twice.
> I tell you thrice.
>
> Go away.
>
> This is my will. So mote it be.
>
> -storm
Don't make me laugh, you pathetic hollywood witch. How the hell
can your Will be developed when you spend all your time
blathering woo-woo gibberish on the internet and practicing
empty rituals based on fictional psuedo-magick?
You claim to be a High Priest, which is an elected position.
It is hard for me to imagine the coven that would choose a
nasty and deluded creep like you to lead them. I am seeing
a little group of twisted gollums gibbering curses at the
world that accomplish nothing but staining their own souls.
In fact, I don't even believe you.
I don't think you have a coven at all.
I don't think there is _anyone_ stupid enough to accept a
malicious jerk like you as a leader.
I'm here, "storm". Your storm is a tempest in a teacup because
the nonsense you call 'magick' isn't.
You want magick to be just another consumer item that you can buy
on sale at the store and plug into a convenient outlet and press
the button on.
But it isn't. It requires real work. Solo work. And
it changes you.
You want to stay the same and change at the same time,
and that doesn't work.
I look forward to your next veiled, vicious verbal assault,
which is what psuedo-magicians have to resort to in lieu
of magick.
ren
> I was hoping against hope of a kind word word from "Hope" when I
> manually downloaded this article. (She's in my killfile after
> I suffered through too much of her bitchiness.)
Word Word Wicca Wow Wow Baby
Pow Pow Wicca Word Wow Baby
ren
> It is hard for me to imagine the coven that would choose a
> nasty and deluded creep like you to lead them. I am seeing
> a little group of twisted gollums gibbering curses at the
> world that accomplish nothing but staining their own souls.
Sidney, would you like to receive your warlocking?
Sidney Lambe
I don't know and I don't care. I didn't download the article. I
am bored with this idiot's bitchy trolling.
Ren? Do whatever you want you pathetic clown.
I am quite prepared to deal with your Dreadful Magickal Attacks.
I have some chips and some dips and my TV remote.
I am not reading your other post either.
If this bothers you, feel free kiss someone else's
ass.
(I don't allow stupid punks like you anywhere near me.)
ren
> I am quite prepared to deal with your Dreadful Magickal Attacks.
A Warlocking is not a dreadful magickal attack. Please read about it.
You have declared yourself a Wiccan Priest but you still openly speak
out against the religion of Wicca.
> I have some chips and some dips and my TV remote.
You eat a lot of junk and watch a lot of TV. I've seen your photo and
it really shows. Why don't you try eating a vegetable. It will make
you feel better. Why don't you step away from the TV and go for a walk
outside. It will make you feel better.
> If this bothers you, feel free kiss someone else's
> ass.
Like your girlfriend's ass?
> (I don't allow stupid punks like you anywhere near me.)
Understood. I know how frightened you must feel. But remember, you
instigated this attack on alt.religion.wicca. You came here expecting
a bunch of sheep. Instead you found wolves in sheep's clothing. And
you're bitter about that. You're so upset that you can't lord your
authority over us.
It will only get worse, Sidney. Can you take the pressure? Can you
feel the depression raining down on you like black rain?
Why did you chose the nickname "Sidney Lambe" before you started
trolling here? Ask yourself that question and think about it.
You have been chosen, Sidney.
Hope
>
>
> I have never asked for anything of you. Nor can I imagine how a
> vicious creep and psuedo-magician like you could be of service
> to me.
Vicious creep? Turn your mirror around, Sidneystone. Storm has been
exceptionally polite and honest with you. Of course, since you don't
speak that language, you had to translate it. It suffered a complete
meltdown in the translation. But it's obvious to everyone that you
can only see the negative in everything.
>
>
> I don't care what you are disappointed in. I do not require your
> consent nor approval for anything.
Yes, obviously. That was why you thanked him and solicited his input
regarding your experience.
>
> I'd suggest that you pull your fat head out of your ass, but that
> might require the aid of a surgeon.
Another shining example of non-vicious, non-bitter communication.
>
> You are very good at being exceptionally vicious.
> I guess this is your idea of being spiritually advanced.
Again, you are attributing your characteristics to another.
>
> How the hell
> can your Will be developed when you spend all your time
> blathering woo-woo gibberish on the internet?
You might ask yourself that. You are here WAY more than storm is.
> You want magick to be just another consumer item that you can buy
> on sale at the store and plug into a convenient outlet and press
> the button on.
Projecting again. Storm went to great lengths to show you otherwise--
and to give you another opportunity to show us that fact mean nothing
to you.
>
> But it isn't. It requires real work. Solo work. And
> it changes you.
> You want to stay the same and change at the same time,
> and that doesn't work.
When is it going to start changing YOU, Sidneystone? You are still
exactly the same pathetic jerk you were a month ago. It's really
boring.
> I look forward to your next veiled, vicious verbal assault,
At least you can alliterate well. That's something...I suppose.
Hope
> ren wrote:
>
> I don't know and I don't care. I didn't download the article. I
> am bored with this idiot's bitchy trolling.
>
> Ren? Do whatever you want you pathetic clown.
>
>
>
> Sid
>
heart and mind. That's why you can't tear yourself away from here.
It's why you continue your compulsion to post to him to tell him you
don't care about his posts. It's so twisted and needy and co-
dependently pathetic, Sid. Ren owns you. We can all see it. Be
strong. Claim your power and break away from this. Go find a more
healthy way to get your buzz. Can you do it? I think you can.
sarchasm
> "Sidney-the-sacrificial-Lambe" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > "ren" wrote:
>
> I don't know and I don't care. I didn't download the article. I
> am bored with this idiot's bitchy trolling.
>
> Ren? Do whatever you want you pathetic clown.
>
> I am not reading your other post either.
>
> (I don't allow stupid punks like you anywhere near me.)
>
>
>You keep him closer to you than anyone else on the planet, in your
>heart and mind. That's why you can't tear yourself away from here.
>It's why you continue your compulsion to post to him to tell him you
>don't care about his posts. It's so twisted and needy and co-
>dependently pathetic, Sid. Ren owns you. We can all see it.
>
Indeed. For sid-the-sacrificial-lambe to pretend otherwise is a pathetic
denial of the obvious.
>
>Be strong. Claim your power and break away from this. Go find a more
>healthy way to get your buzz. Can you do it? I think you can.
>
It is dubious as to whether sid-the-sacrificial-lambe has the will to break
free of his own compulsions. Between those and his hypocrisy, lies - lies.
Hope
Between the compulsion and the straitjacket lies...Obsession.
sarchasm
Even Calvin Klein couldn't make sid-the-sacrificial-lambe's nonsensical
trolling stink-pretty.
Hope
He wears too many sock puppets to stink pretty. ;-p
sarchasm
That's probably due to sid-the-sacrificial-lambe neglecting to wash his feet
when he changes socks, let alone the ineffective white-washing of his
bleating socks.
ren
> healthy way to get your buzz. Can you do it? I think you can.
Sidney Lambe, the little engine that could. Hah!
ren
> That's probably due to sid-the-sacrificial-lambe neglecting to wash his feet
> when he changes socks, let alone the ineffective white-washing of his
> bleating socks.
Oh the puns, Sar, the puns!
sarchasm
> "sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Hope" <holleratwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Even Calvin Klein couldn't make sid-the-sacrificial-lambe's nonsensical
> trolling stink-pretty.
>
>He wears too many sock puppets to stink pretty. ;-p
>
>
> That's probably due to sid-the-sacrificial-lambe neglecting to wash his
> feet
> when he changes socks, let alone the ineffective white-washing of his
> bleating socks.
>
>Oh the puns, Sar, the puns!
>
It's not as fun without a pun. The only drawback is in
sid-sacrificial-lambe's airing out his dirty laundry. *whew*