SHAMEFUL! - AmeriKKKa Won't Even Provide Health Care For It's Own Citizens
Möbius Pretzel
May 28, 2008
Stan spends most of his time bringing relief to the richest country in
the world.
Some 60% of RAM's work is now carried out in the United States.
Some 47 million Americans have no health insurance.
Millions more are under-insured.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7420744.stm
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"Other countries seem to be able to get health care right for their
citizens.
The fact that the US appears to be unable (and/or unwilling) to make
the changes necessary is just plain embarrassing to the US as a
nation." - Editor WRH.
Fred J. McCall
:
:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7420744.stm
:
:----------------------------------------
:"Other countries seem to be able to get health care right for their
:citizens.
:
:The fact that the US appears to be unable (and/or unwilling) to make
:the changes necessary is just plain embarrassing to the US as a
:nation." - Editor WRH.
Are there actually people who give a good shite what the Biased
Broadcasting Corporation thinks about US healthcare?
Frankly, they're perfectly welcome to stay wherever they are if they
don't like the way the US is run.
--
"Oooo, scary! Y'know, there are a lot scarier things
in the world than you ... and I'm one of them."
-- Buffy the vampire
4084 Dead
<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Möbius Pretzel <Mobius_O...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:
>:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7420744.stm
>:
>:----------------------------------------
>:"Other countries seem to be able to get health care right for their
>:citizens.
>:
>:The fact that the US appears to be unable (and/or unwilling) to make
>:the changes necessary is just plain embarrassing to the US as a
>:nation." - Editor WRH.
>:
>
>Are there actually people who give a good shite what the Biased
>Broadcasting Corporation thinks about US healthcare?
>
>Frankly, they're perfectly welcome to stay wherever they are if they
>don't like the way the US is run.
Do you really think thumping your narrow white chest and mooing
pseudo-patriotic noises at us changes the basic disgrace of the
situation?
--
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Fred J. McCall
:On Wed, 28 May 2008 20:23:27 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:>Möbius Pretzel <Mobius_O...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>:
:>:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7420744.stm
:>:
:>:----------------------------------------
:>:"Other countries seem to be able to get health care right for their
:>:citizens.
:>:
:>:The fact that the US appears to be unable (and/or unwilling) to make
:>:the changes necessary is just plain embarrassing to the US as a
:>:nation." - Editor WRH.
:>:
:>
:>Are there actually people who give a good shite what the Biased
:>Broadcasting Corporation thinks about US healthcare?
:>
:>Frankly, they're perfectly welcome to stay wherever they are if they
:>don't like the way the US is run.
:
:Do you really think thumping your narrow white chest and mooing
:pseudo-patriotic noises at us changes the basic disgrace of the
:situation?
Do you really think hiding behind a nym and dancing on the graves of
better men than you will ever be lends you any credence at all?
I'll offer you the same advice - you don't like it here, feel free to
be somewhere else. This ability to relocate is one part of something
called 'freedom', no doubt a novel concept for someone of your ilk...
--
You are
What you do
When it counts.
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 May 2008 20:23:27 -0700, Fred J. McCall
><fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Möbius Pretzel <Mobius_O...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>:
>>:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7420744.stm
>>:
>>:----------------------------------------
>>:"Other countries seem to be able to get health care right for their
>>:citizens.
>>:
>>:The fact that the US appears to be unable (and/or unwilling) to make
>>:the changes necessary is just plain embarrassing to the US as a
>>:nation." - Editor WRH.
>>:
>>
>>Are there actually people who give a good shite what the Biased
>>Broadcasting Corporation thinks about US healthcare?
>>
>>Frankly, they're perfectly welcome to stay wherever they are if they
>>don't like the way the US is run.
...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
themselves.
>Do you really think thumping your narrow white chest and mooing
>pseudo-patriotic noises at us changes the basic disgrace of the
>situation?
That Zepp doesn't have health insurance isn't a disgrace, it's a
come-up-ance.
mariposas rand mair fheal
Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
> themselves.
what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
let them die?
arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
Fred J. McCall
:In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
: Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:>
:> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
:> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
:> themselves.
:>
:
:what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
:
Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
:
:let them die?
:
Where do you get this idea that everyone without insurance is
terminally ill?
Let's inject just a few facts:
1) If you're in reasonably good health, health insurance for other
than catastrophic illness tends to be a net lose. This is why a lot
of people deliberately make the decision to be 'under-insured'. It's
also why health insurance works. SOMEBODY has to be paying in more
than they're getting out or the whole system goes broke. This applies
no matter who the 'provider' is, including government health schemes.
2) For minor injury and illness, it's frequently cheaper and faster to
just go to a 'doc in the box' rather than wait to see your regular
physician under your insurance. Even people who have insurance will
frequently do this.
3) For major injury and illness, nobody gets turned away from a
hospital emergency room, so the whole "let them die" argument is just
specious bullshit.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
Steve
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>> themselves.
>
>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>let them die?
Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
Peter Skelton
<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>>> themselves.
>>
>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>>let them die?
>
>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>
There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
because of a variety of health-related conditions. Why should
insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
loss on? It's a free country.
Sometimes this can be thought of as their own damn fault, other
times the victim is a child with a congenital problem. Sometimes
I can't make any sense out of the reasons.
It's not an uncommon situation, here we have a law forcing
companies to sell car insurance to anyone licensed which, of
course, means good drivers subsidise them.
(One wonders if Steve used his health insurance to get multiple
lobotomies and/or if he's been locked in a small room with Fred
and without news for the past few decades.)
Peter Skelton
mariposas rand mair fheal
Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
> > Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
> >> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
> >> themselves.
> >
> >what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
> >let them die?
>
> Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
> this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
preexisting condition
get cancer (like mccain) and you cannot buy individual insurance again
if you cant get a job with group coverage or get into a government program
then you go uninsured
Fred J. McCall
:On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
:<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:
:>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
:><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>
:>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
:>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:>>
:>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
:>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
:>>> themselves.
:>>
:>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
:>>let them die?
:>
:>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
:>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
:>
:
:There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
:because of a variety of health-related conditions.
:
Nonsense! You can always get insurance. It just costs you more. It
may cost you enough so that it makes sense to not buy it. However,
nobody is "not allowed" to buy insurance.
:
:Why should
:insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
:loss on? It's a free country.
:
Indeed it is. So why should they? Why should the government do so?
However, there is still no class of people who are 'not allowed' to
buy insurance. It's just a matter of what they have to pay and what
risk pool they're in. The price may be so high that insurance doesn't
make sense any longer.
:
:Sometimes this can be thought of as their own damn fault, other
:times the victim is a child with a congenital problem. Sometimes
:I can't make any sense out of the reasons.
:
:It's not an uncommon situation,...
:
Well, yeah, it *is* an uncommon situation.
:
:... here we have a law forcing
:companies to sell car insurance to anyone licensed which, of
:course, means good drivers subsidise them.
:
And you have that law because everyone is REQUIRED to carry some
minimum of insurance. Note that there is no requirement to sell
anyone anything over the minimum legal requirement of liability
insurance.
Not an argument or an example that works well in the health care
arena, since the argument tends to be premised on everyone having
access to everything.
Also note that despite legal mandates requiring insurance, lots of
people drive without it either because they cannot afford to buy it
from the 'high risk' pools or simply because they don't see themselves
as needing it.
The same thing applies, of course, to health insurance. Lots of
'uninsured' aren't insured because they don't see the economic reason.
They're in good health, don't want to subsidize the high risk folks,
and are willing to bet against catastrophic accident or illness. If
they're nervous about those, they buy 'major medical' coverage and
become members of the 'underinsured'.
:
:(One wonders if Steve used his health insurance to get multiple
:lobotomies and/or if he's been locked in a small room with Fred
:and without news for the past few decades.)
:
(One wonders if folks who can't find any more convincing argument than
personal attacks, as above, have anything going for them other than
absolute ignorance about the American health care system.)
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
mariposas rand mair fheal
Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
> : Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
> :> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
> :> themselves.
> :>
> :
> :what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
> :
>
> Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
> insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
mccain
cheney
> :let them die?
> :
>
> Where do you get this idea that everyone without insurance is
> terminally ill?
the preexisting condition is generally fatal if untreated
> 3) For major injury and illness, nobody gets turned away from a
> hospital emergency room, so the whole "let them die" argument is just
> specious bullshit.
do really think conditions like heart failure stroke or cancer
can be successfully treated emergency room visit by emergency room visit
mariposas rand mair fheal
Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Nonsense! You can always get insurance. It just costs you more. It
not really
> :Why should
> :insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
> :loss on? It's a free country.
> :
>
> Indeed it is. So why should they? Why should the government do so?
thats the sort of thing voters decide
> :It's not an uncommon situation,...
> :
>
> Well, yeah, it *is* an uncommon situation.
so are you just ignorant
or stupid
> Not an argument or an example that works well in the health care
> arena, since the argument tends to be premised on everyone having
> access to everything.
thats what voters are arguing over
not really your decision to make for everyone else
> (One wonders if folks who can't find any more convincing argument than
> personal attacks, as above, have anything going for them other than
> absolute ignorance about the American health care system.)
do say
Fred J. McCall
:In article <m66t34ho476gfu5gv...@4ax.com>,
: Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:
:> On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
:> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>
:> >In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
:> > Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:> >
:> >> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
:> >> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
:> >> themselves.
:> >
:> >what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
:> >let them die?
:>
:> Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
:> this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
:
:preexisting condition
:
That just means you can't buy insurance CHEAPLY.
:
:get cancer (like mccain) and you cannot buy individual insurance again
:
Of course you can. It just costs a lot more. In fact, it may cost so
much that it doesn't make sense to buy it.
http://www.health-insurance.org/high-risk-conditions-and-insurance?source=google
:
:if you cant get a job with group coverage or get into a government program
:then you go uninsured
:
But not because you're 'not allowed' to buy insurance. There is a
difference between 'not allowed to buy' and 'charged a lot for it'.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
4084 Dead
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>preexisting condition
>
>get cancer (like mccain) and you cannot buy individual insurance again
>if you cant get a job with group coverage or get into a government program
>then you go uninsured
>
>arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
>limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
>then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
>call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
In fact, one of the more charming elements of McCain's own plan for
health care is that he himself wouldn't be able to get coverage were
he not a high elected official.
Peter Skelton
<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>:On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
>:<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>:
>:>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>:><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:>
>:>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>:>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>:>>
>:>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>:>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>:>>> themselves.
>:>>
>:>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>:>>let them die?
>:>
>:>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>:>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>:>
>:
>:There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
>:because of a variety of health-related conditions.
>:
>
>Nonsense! You can always get insurance. It just costs you more. It
>may cost you enough so that it makes sense to not buy it. However,
>nobody is "not allowed" to buy insurance.
>
That is simply untrue Fred.
>:
>:Why should
>:insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
>:loss on? It's a free country.
>:
>
>Indeed it is. So why should they? Why should the government do so?
>However, there is still no class of people who are 'not allowed' to
>buy insurance. It's just a matter of what they have to pay and what
>risk pool they're in. The price may be so high that insurance doesn't
>make sense any longer.
>
Repeating an untrue statement does not make it true.
>:
>:Sometimes this can be thought of as their own damn fault, other
>:times the victim is a child with a congenital problem. Sometimes
>:I can't make any sense out of the reasons.
>:
>:It's not an uncommon situation,...
>:
>
>Well, yeah, it *is* an uncommon situation.
>
That would be another untruth Fred. Or do you really think few
types of policies have high end risks?
>:
>:... here we have a law forcing
>:companies to sell car insurance to anyone licensed which, of
>:course, means good drivers subsidise them.
>:
>
>And you have that law because everyone is REQUIRED to carry some
>minimum of insurance. Note that there is no requirement to sell
>anyone anything over the minimum legal requirement of liability
>insurance.
>
That last is a statement you should have checked before posting.
>Not an argument or an example that works well in the health care
>arena, since the argument tends to be premised on everyone having
>access to everything.
>
>Also note that despite legal mandates requiring insurance, lots of
>people drive without it either because they cannot afford to buy it
>from the 'high risk' pools or simply because they don't see themselves
>as needing it.
>
The group of licensed drivers driving without insurance is not
large here Fred.
>The same thing applies, of course, to health insurance. Lots of
>'uninsured' aren't insured because they don't see the economic reason.
>They're in good health, don't want to subsidize the high risk folks,
>and are willing to bet against catastrophic accident or illness. If
>they're nervous about those, they buy 'major medical' coverage and
>become members of the 'underinsured'.
>
>:
>:(One wonders if Steve used his health insurance to get multiple
>:lobotomies and/or if he's been locked in a small room with Fred
>:and without news for the past few decades.)
>:
>
>(One wonders if folks who can't find any more convincing argument than
>personal attacks, as above, have anything going for them other than
>absolute ignorance about the American health care system.)
Well Fred, you agreed with my facts, except for making one rather
startling lie that shows you abysmally ignorant of how insurance
works in general and American health insurance works in
particular. When you're in that sort of mood, thers's little
sense in discussing things with you.
Bye.
Peter Skelton
Steve
wrote:
>On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
><steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>>>> themselves.
>>>
>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>>>let them die?
>>
>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>>
>
>There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
>because of a variety of health-related conditions.
Bullshit! There may not be insurance available for a pre-existing
condition, but that only makes sense. The solution, of course, is to
buy the insurance *BEFORE* the condition exists,
Steve
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <m66t34ho476gfu5gv...@4ax.com>,
> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>> > Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>> >> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>> >> themselves.
>> >
>> >what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>> >let them die?
>>
>> Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>> this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>
>preexisting condition
>
>get cancer (like mccain) and you cannot buy individual insurance again
>if you cant get a job with group coverage or get into a government program
>then you go uninsured
Nope... the solution is to buy the insurance *BEFORE* the condition
exists, you moron. I know that flies in the face of the leftist
philosophy of never expecting a person to accept responsibility for
his actions, but sleeping the bed you pissed in is a fact of life.
Mitchell Holman
news:328t345oenqvm7pq1...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>>>> themselves.
>>>
>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>>>let them die?
>>
>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>>
>
> There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
> because of a variety of health-related conditions. Why should
> insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
> loss on? It's a free country.
So what are people supposed to do for health coverage
when no insurance company will cover them?
>
> Sometimes this can be thought of as their own damn fault, other
> times the victim is a child with a congenital problem. Sometimes
> I can't make any sense out of the reasons.
>
> It's not an uncommon situation, here we have a law forcing
> companies to sell car insurance to anyone licensed which, of
> course, means good drivers subsidise them.
>
You are talking about liability insurance. That covers
the losses of people other than the person buying the policy.
Very different from health insurance.
Plus, driving is an option. Health is rather different.
Fred J. McCall
:In article <7e5t34lfosa9c4f42...@4ax.com>,
: Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>
:> :In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
:> : Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
:> :> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
:> :> themselves.
:> :>
:> :
:> :what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
:> :
:>
:> Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
:> insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
:
:mccain
:cheney
:
And yet both have insurance. Funny how that works, isn't it?
:> :let them die?
:> :
:>
:> Where do you get this idea that everyone without insurance is
:> terminally ill?
:
:the preexisting condition is generally fatal if untreated
:
Oh, hogwash!. There are lots of preexisting conditions and chronic
illnesses that are not fatal (in any sense other than 'life is
fatal'). Most insurance has, at worst, a 'lockout' period for
pre-existing conditions. Once that is past (rarely more than a year,
frequently less), you have coverage for that condition as well.
:> 3) For major injury and illness, nobody gets turned away from a
:> hospital emergency room, so the whole "let them die" argument is just
:> specious bullshit.
:
:do really think conditions like heart failure stroke or cancer
:can be successfully treated emergency room visit by emergency room visit
:
You're really pretty ignorant about American health care, aren't you?
Peter Skelton
<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:33:01 -0400, Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
>><steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>>><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>>>>> themselves.
>>>>
>>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>>>>let them die?
>>>
>>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>>>
>>
>>There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
>>because of a variety of health-related conditions.
>
>Bullshit! There may not be insurance available for a pre-existing
>condition, but that only makes sense. The solution, of course, is to
>buy the insurance *BEFORE* the condition exists,
>
That would work really fine for congenital conditions, wouldn't
it?
Peter Skelton
Peter Skelton
<Noe...@comcast.com> wrote:
>Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in
>news:328t345oenqvm7pq1...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
>> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>>><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>>>>> themselves.
>>>>
>>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>>>>let them die?
>>>
>>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>>>
>>
>> There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
>> because of a variety of health-related conditions. Why should
>> insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
>> loss on? It's a free country.
>
>
> So what are people supposed to do for health coverage
>when no insurance company will cover them?
>
That's a social/political problem for the society involved.
>
>
>>
>> Sometimes this can be thought of as their own damn fault, other
>> times the victim is a child with a congenital problem. Sometimes
>> I can't make any sense out of the reasons.
>>
>> It's not an uncommon situation, here we have a law forcing
>> companies to sell car insurance to anyone licensed which, of
>> course, means good drivers subsidise them.
>>
>
>
> You are talking about liability insurance. That covers
>the losses of people other than the person buying the policy.
>Very different from health insurance.
>
Not from the insurer's point of view.
> Plus, driving is an option. Health is rather different.
>
That is a very arguable point.
Peter Skelton
Fred J. McCall
:In article <sd9t34p15981pv34f...@4ax.com>,
: Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:> Nonsense! You can always get insurance. It just costs you more. It
:
:not really
:
yeah really
:> :Why should
:> :insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
:> :loss on? It's a free country.
:> :
:>
:> Indeed it is. So why should they? Why should the government do so?
:
:thats the sort of thing voters decide
:
and we've decided so shut up
:> :It's not an uncommon situation,...
:> :
:>
:> Well, yeah, it *is* an uncommon situation.
:
:so are you just ignorant
:or stupid
:
colour me impressed by your factual and reasoned argument above.
phew what a loony...
:> Not an argument or an example that works well in the health care
:> arena, since the argument tends to be premised on everyone having
:> access to everything.
:
:thats what voters are arguing over
:not really your decision to make for everyone else
:
don't see *voters* arguing over it and as a voter it certainly is my
decision to make
not their decision to make for me
:> (One wonders if folks who can't find any more convincing argument than
:> personal attacks, as above, have anything going for them other than
:> absolute ignorance about the American health care system.)
:
:do say
:
just did
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:55:43 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>preexisting condition
>>
>>get cancer (like mccain) and you cannot buy individual insurance again
>>if you cant get a job with group coverage or get into a government program
>>then you go uninsured
>>
>>arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
>>limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
>>then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
>>call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
>
>In fact, one of the more charming elements of McCain's own plan for
>health care is that he himself wouldn't be able to get coverage were
>he not a high elected official.
Fortunately, some people with pre-existing conditions bought the
insurance before the conditions existed and therefore are covered...
Steve
<Noe...@comcast.com> wrote:
>Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in
>news:328t345oenqvm7pq1...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
>> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>>><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>>>>> themselves.
>>>>
>>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>>>>let them die?
>>>
>>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>>>
>>
>> There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
>> because of a variety of health-related conditions. Why should
>> insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
>> loss on? It's a free country.
>
>
> So what are people supposed to do for health coverage
>when no insurance company will cover them?
Contemplate the bad decisions they've made....
Steve
wrote:
Actually it does.. if you get your insurance before the congenital
condition causes problems...
>
>Peter Skelton
Fred J. McCall
:On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:55:43 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
:<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>
:>preexisting condition
:>
:>get cancer (like mccain) and you cannot buy individual insurance again
:>if you cant get a job with group coverage or get into a government program
:>then you go uninsured
:>
:>arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
:>limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
:>then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
:>call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
:
:In fact, one of the more charming elements of McCain's own plan for
:health care is that he himself wouldn't be able to get coverage were
:he not a high elected official.
:
Of course he would. Jesus, you people are idiots.
1) He's rich and can pretty much afford whatever coverage he wants, no
matter what they charge.
2) He's retired military and already has health care for life.
3) He's over 65 and so has Medicare coverage.
4) Melanoma (what McCain has had) is easily treatable and really isn't
a bar to getting health insurance.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
Vincent Brannigan
> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>, : Steve
> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote: :> :> ...and, of course, they're
> perfectly welcome to buy health insurance :> for the loser Americans
> who don't have the gumption to buy it :> themselves. :> : :what about
> americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance? :
>
> Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
> insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
wordplay time again
In the USA anyone can buy a form of health insurance in which the sick
person pays all the health care costs plus an administrative fee
Most of the rest of the world does not consider that "health insurance"
Similarly most of the world does not consider a product that excludes
"pre existing conditions" to be health insurance
> : :let them die? :
>
> Where do you get this idea that everyone without insurance is
> terminally ill?
The terminally ill are disproportionately uninsured.
>
> Let's inject just a few facts:
>
> 1) If you're in reasonably good health, health insurance for other
> than catastrophic illness tends to be a net lose. This is why a lot
> of people deliberately make the decision to be 'under-insured'. It's
> also why health insurance works. SOMEBODY has to be paying in more
> than they're getting out or the whole system goes broke. This
> applies no matter who the 'provider' is, including government health
> schemes.
Most of what you pay for is the right to continue purchasing health
insurance when you are a greater risk. insurance also works by
smoothing consumption over a lifetime
cf life insurance
> 2) For minor injury and illness, it's frequently cheaper and faster
> to just go to a 'doc in the box' rather than wait to see your regular
> physician under your insurance. Even people who have insurance will
> frequently do this.
I have Kaiser-Permanente which provides all services
works very well
>
> 3) For major injury and illness, nobody gets turned away from a
> hospital emergency room, so the whole "let them die" argument is just
> specious bullshit.
Uninsured Immigrant Patients Sent Home for Care Against Their Will
Woman in Coma the Latest Example of Arizona Uninsured Immigrant Facing
Forced Removal to Home Country
By MARCUS BARAM
May 22, 2008 —
Hundreds of legal and illegal immigrants in Arizona are being sent back
to their home countries, sometimes against their will, for medical
treatment because they lack insurance. In some cases, the FBI and
police, responding to allegations of kidnapping, have been called in to
halt such forcible removals, according to patients' lawyers. In one
recent case, a sick baby who is a U.S. citizen born to an illegal
immigrant was being transferred by helicopter to a waiting air ambulance
for a flight to a hospital in Mexico when Tucson police intervened and
brought the child back to the hospital.
The forcible removals are the result of federal and state law mandating
that only U.S. citizens and legal residents are eligible for Medicaid.
As a result, state hospitals are pressured to transport noncitizens,
even if they're legally in the U.S., at the hospitals' expense, back to
their home countries, at a cost of up to $100,000.
The alarming scenario has come to light in recent weeks with the
dramatic case of Sonia Iscoa Del Cid, a house cleaner in the country
legally under temporary protected status, who woke up from a coma last
week only to realize that she was going to be forced back to her native
Honduras because she lacked insurance for long-term care. The case
galvanized the immigrant community in Phoenix.
On May 9, hours away from being flown to a small hospital in Honduras,
where Del Cid no longer has any family or friends except for an elderly
father, her lawyer filed a temporary restraining order preventing the
move. Family and friends raised money through car washes, and received
significant financial assistance from dozens of trial lawyers in
Arizona, to pay the $20,000 bond ordered by a local judge.
......
Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures
Peter Skelton
<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
Bullshit, hot and steaming.
Peter Skelton
Fred J. McCall
:On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:57:04 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:>Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
:>
:>:On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
:>:<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:>:
:>:>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
:>:><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>:>
:>:>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
:>:>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:>:>>
:>:>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
:>:>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
:>:>>> themselves.
:>:>>
:>:>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
:>:>>let them die?
:>:>
:>:>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
:>:>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
:>:>
:>:
:>:There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
:>:because of a variety of health-related conditions.
:>:
:>
:>Nonsense! You can always get insurance. It just costs you more. It
:>may cost you enough so that it makes sense to not buy it. However,
:>nobody is "not allowed" to buy insurance.
:>
:
:That is simply untrue Fred.
:
Mere statement isn't proof, Peter. It most certainly is true. The
cost of the insurance may be more than the cost of just paying for the
treatment out of your own pocket, but you can ALWAYS get insurance.
:
:>
:>:
:>:Why should
:>:insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
:>:loss on? It's a free country.
:>:
:>
:>Indeed it is. So why should they? Why should the government do so?
:>However, there is still no class of people who are 'not allowed' to
:>buy insurance. It's just a matter of what they have to pay and what
:>risk pool they're in. The price may be so high that insurance doesn't
:>make sense any longer.
:>
:
:Repeating an untrue statement does not make it true.
:
Quite right, it doesn't. You should stop doing it.
Walk in with enough money and I will guarantee that an insurance
company will write you a policy. You may be a risk pool of one, but
they'll write it.
:
:>
:>:
:>:Sometimes this can be thought of as their own damn fault, other
:>:times the victim is a child with a congenital problem. Sometimes
:>:I can't make any sense out of the reasons.
:>:
:>:It's not an uncommon situation,...
:>:
:>
:>Well, yeah, it *is* an uncommon situation.
:>
:
:That would be another untruth Fred. Or do you really think few
:types of policies have high end risks?
:
Your question doesn't make sense with regard to what we're talking
about.
:
:>
:>:
:>:... here we have a law forcing
:>:companies to sell car insurance to anyone licensed which, of
:>:course, means good drivers subsidise them.
:>:
:>
:>And you have that law because everyone is REQUIRED to carry some
:>minimum of insurance. Note that there is no requirement to sell
:>anyone anything over the minimum legal requirement of liability
:>insurance.
:>
:
:That last is a statement you should have checked before posting.
:
I note you don't post anything rebutting it.
:
:>
:>Not an argument or an example that works well in the health care
:>arena, since the argument tends to be premised on everyone having
:>access to everything.
:>
:>Also note that despite legal mandates requiring insurance, lots of
:>people drive without it either because they cannot afford to buy it
:>from the 'high risk' pools or simply because they don't see themselves
:>as needing it.
:>
:
:The group of licensed drivers driving without insurance is not
:large here Fred.
:
But it exists.
:
:>
:>The same thing applies, of course, to health insurance. Lots of
:>'uninsured' aren't insured because they don't see the economic reason.
:>They're in good health, don't want to subsidize the high risk folks,
:>and are willing to bet against catastrophic accident or illness. If
:>they're nervous about those, they buy 'major medical' coverage and
:>become members of the 'underinsured'.
:>
:>:
:>:(One wonders if Steve used his health insurance to get multiple
:>:lobotomies and/or if he's been locked in a small room with Fred
:>:and without news for the past few decades.)
:>:
:>
:>(One wonders if folks who can't find any more convincing argument than
:>personal attacks, as above, have anything going for them other than
:>absolute ignorance about the American health care system.)
:>
:
:Well Fred, you agreed with my facts, except for making one rather
:startling lie that shows you abysmally ignorant of how insurance
:works in general and American health insurance works in
:particular. When you're in that sort of mood, thers's little
:sense in discussing things with you.
:
Peter, I'm not interested in your usual 'slanging match'. You bring
NO facts to the field and then terminate with cries of "lie" (with no
proof of any lie).
Feel free to go fuck yourself.
:
:Bye.
:
As usual, you'll now come back with more comment. Does this
sophomoric tactic EVER work for you?
But by all means, keep up the idiocy. You can have another 30 days in
the hole if you like...
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
Vincent Brannigan
or got government jobs
Vince
Fred J. McCall
:Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in
:news:328t345oenqvm7pq1...@4ax.com:
:
:> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
:> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:>
:>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
:>><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>>
:>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
:>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:>>>
:>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
:>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
:>>>> themselves.
:>>>
:>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
:>>>let them die?
:>>
:>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
:>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
:>>
:>
:> There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
:> because of a variety of health-related conditions. Why should
:> insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
:> loss on? It's a free country.
:
: So what are people supposed to do for health coverage
:when no insurance company will cover them?
:
You can always get health insurance (although it may cost you more
than just paying for it yourself).
The obvious other option is to pay yourself. Many people elect to do
this.
For major things (and even minor things) you can always get treatment
in a hospital emergency room, whether you have insurance or not.
--
"It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
I am the law."
-- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer
Zomby...@cox.net
<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Möbius Pretzel <Mobius_O...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:
>:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7420744.stm
>:
>:----------------------------------------
>:"Other countries seem to be able to get health care right for their
>:citizens.
>:
>:The fact that the US appears to be unable (and/or unwilling) to make
>:the changes necessary is just plain embarrassing to the US as a
>:nation." - Editor WRH.
>:
>
>Are there actually people who give a good shite what the Biased
>Broadcasting Corporation thinks about US healthcare?
>
Me either. Most of them have teeth that are rotting out their mouths
anyway's.
>
>Frankly, they're perfectly welcome to stay wherever they are if they
>don't like the way the US is run.
>
To include the middle of the Atlantic.
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli
Zomby...@cox.net
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>> themselves.
>
>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>let them die?
>
Who isn't "Allowed" to buy Health Insurance? Anyone & everyone can
"buy" whatever they like. Some just don't like the price, and others
wait to damn long. Oh and yes, if you can't pay for your services you
should die. We already keep to many people who can't/won't procure
their own food & housing alive and what has that return on investment
been?
>
>arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
>limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
>then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
>call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
>
La de fuckin da. Billary was supposed to do something about health
care last time she had an office in the White House. What did she
accomplish other then pissing people off. The current administration
holds no more blame for what people like to characterize as a "Health
Crisis" (but it isn't) then any other Administration before it, even
the ones that promised to do something.
Zomby...@cox.net
<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>:In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>: Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>:>
>:> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>:> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>:> themselves.
>:>
>:
>:what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>:
>
>Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
>insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
>
>:
>:let them die?
>:
>
>Where do you get this idea that everyone without insurance is
>terminally ill?
>
>Let's inject just a few facts:
>
>1) If you're in reasonably good health, health insurance for other
>than catastrophic illness tends to be a net lose. This is why a lot
>of people deliberately make the decision to be 'under-insured'. It's
>also why health insurance works. SOMEBODY has to be paying in more
>than they're getting out or the whole system goes broke. This applies
>no matter who the 'provider' is, including government health schemes.
>
Younger people opting out of insurance programs is one of the things
that raises the premium costs.
>
>2) For minor injury and illness, it's frequently cheaper and faster to
>just go to a 'doc in the box' rather than wait to see your regular
>physician under your insurance. Even people who have insurance will
>frequently do this.
>
Because it is the convenience factor. Quick fast and no dicking
around. However, they are the places one goes to for chronic
illnesses or annual physicals & the like.
>
>3) For major injury and illness, nobody gets turned away from a
>hospital emergency room, so the whole "let them die" argument is just
>specious bullshit.
>
Yet another part of the problem. Even though they don't turn them
away & treat them, the cost must be borne by somebody. That somebody
is all of us who do pay at an inflated rate to cover the deadbeats.
Steve
wrote:
It's all conditional on state laws, but in some cases, a pre-existing
condition is defined as a condition that has been treated.. and most
states set time period for the pre-existing condition to be
disregarded....
I understand why you don't understand that.. It's because you are a
moron. Sadly for you, it's not treatable.
>Peter Skelton
Raymond O'Hara
"Peter Skelton" <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:328t345oenqvm7pq1...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>>>> themselves.
>>>
>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>>>let them die?
>>
>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>>
>
> There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
> insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
> loss on? It's a free country.
this will lead to genetic testing and those at risk being denied and those
with non opting out.
the insurance industry goes the way of the dinosaur.
the fact is the health care system in america is not working well and the
costs are killing the last remaining manufacturers.
Peter Skelton
<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
In other words, you verify my statement.
>I understand why you don't understand that.. It's because you are a
>moron. Sadly for you, it's not treatable.
>
Considering that you have just admitted that my statement was
correct and that yours was absurd, one might have expected you to
be a little more concilliatory.
Peter Skelton
mariposas rand mair fheal
wrote:
> wait to damn long. Oh and yes, if you can't pay for your services you
> should die. We already keep to many people who can't/won't procure
> their own food & housing alive and what has that return on investment
i think you should campaign on this platform
tell the people who they should run their country
mariposas rand mair fheal
Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :In article <7e5t34lfosa9c4f42...@4ax.com>,
> : Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> :
> :> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> :In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
> :> : Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> :> :>
> :> :> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
> :> :> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
> :> :> themselves.
> :> :>
> :> :
> :> :what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
> :> :
> :>
> :> Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
> :> insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
> :
> :mccain
> :cheney
> :
>
> And yet both have insurance. Funny how that works, isn't it?
not insurance they bought
the insurance was bought through a group plan
the people actually paying for it are usa taxpayers
> Oh, hogwash!. There are lots of preexisting conditions and chronic
> illnesses that are not fatal (in any sense other than 'life is
> fatal'). Most insurance has, at worst, a 'lockout' period for
> pre-existing conditions. Once that is past (rarely more than a year,
> frequently less), you have coverage for that condition as well.
so you are ignorant
mariposas rand mair fheal
Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 4084 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> :On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:55:43 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> :<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :>
> :>preexisting condition
> :>
> :>get cancer (like mccain) and you cannot buy individual insurance again
> :>if you cant get a job with group coverage or get into a government program
> :>then you go uninsured
> :>
> :>arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
> :>limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
> :>then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
> :>call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
> :
> :In fact, one of the more charming elements of McCain's own plan for
> :health care is that he himself wouldn't be able to get coverage were
> :he not a high elected official.
> :
>
> Of course he would. Jesus, you people are idiots.
>
> 1) He's rich and can pretty much afford whatever coverage he wants, no
> matter what they charge.
i guess rich people really are better than everyone else
> 2) He's retired military and already has health care for life.
so you dont have a problem for government medical insurance for some people
> 3) He's over 65 and so has Medicare coverage.
so you dont have a problem for government medical insurance for some people
> 4) Melanoma (what McCain has had) is easily treatable and really isn't
> a bar to getting health insurance.
you have done this?
mariposas rand mair fheal
Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> don't see *voters* arguing over it and as a voter it certainly is my
> decision to make
so are you character on -lost-?
arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
Steve
Whatever works
Steve
wrote:
<LOL> Read the statement below.....
>>I understand why you don't understand that.. It's because you are a
>>moron. Sadly for you, it's not treatable.
>>
>
>Considering that you have just admitted that my statement was
>correct and that yours was absurd, one might have expected you to
>be a little more concilliatory.
Leftists seem to have such reading problems
>Peter Skelton
Steve
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's actually nothing different from most group insurance plans..
Steve
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <vdbt34lslknbt9qsd...@4ax.com>,
> Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> :In article <7e5t34lfosa9c4f42...@4ax.com>,
>> : Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> :
>> :> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> :>
>> :> :In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>> :> : Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>> :> :>
>> :> :> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>> :> :> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>> :> :> themselves.
>> :> :>
>> :> :
>> :> :what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>> :> :
>> :>
>> :> Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
>> :> insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
>> :
>> :mccain
>> :cheney
>> :
>>
>> And yet both have insurance. Funny how that works, isn't it?
>
>not insurance they bought
>the insurance was bought through a group plan
>the people actually paying for it are usa taxpayers
USA taxpayers are paying for all insurance.. as well as those of us
who will soon be paying no income tax... Insurance costs must be paid
Peter Skelton
<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
You are depriving a village of its fool.
Peter Skelton
Fred J. McCall
:On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:46:46 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:>
:>3) For major injury and illness, nobody gets turned away from a
:>hospital emergency room, so the whole "let them die" argument is just
:>specious bullshit.
:>
:
:Yet another part of the problem. Even though they don't turn them
:away & treat them, the cost must be borne by somebody. That somebody
:is all of us who do pay at an inflated rate to cover the deadbeats.
:
And ER medicine is an incredibly expensive way to deliver much of that
health care. It's one of the problems with the current American
system, but when dealing with ignorant loons it never comes up. It's
always the "You should have our socialized system" rather than trying
to find something that actually works.
--
"You keep talking about slaying like it's a job. It's not.
It's who you are."
-- Kendra, the Vampire Slayer
Mitchell Holman
news:g0dt34tvij75mt704...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:24:29 -0500, Mitchell Holman
> <Noe...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>>Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in
>>news:328t345oenqvm7pq1...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
>>> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>>>><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>>>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>>>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>>>>>let them die?
>>>>
>>>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>>>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
>>> because of a variety of health-related conditions. Why should
>>> insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
>>> loss on? It's a free country.
>>
>>
>> So what are people supposed to do for health coverage
>>when no insurance company will cover them?
>
> Contemplate the bad decisions they've made....
What "bad decision" is to blame for someone coming down
with Lupus or MS or ALS or any other condition that makes
insurance companies deny coverage?
Mitchell Holman
news:8cet34to3j1tpi5dk...@4ax.com:
> Mitchell Holman <Noe...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>:Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in
>:news:328t345oenqvm7pq1...@4ax.com:
>:
>:> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
>:> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>:>
>:>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>:>><mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:>>
>:>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
>:>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>:>>>
>:>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>:>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>:>>>> themselves.
>:>>>
>:>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>:>>>let them die?
>:>>
>:>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
>:>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>:>>
>:>
>:> There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
>:> because of a variety of health-related conditions. Why should
>:> insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
>:> loss on? It's a free country.
>:
>: So what are people supposed to do for health coverage
>:when no insurance company will cover them?
>:
>
> You can always get health insurance (although it may cost you more
> than just paying for it yourself).
>
Coverage at rates no working person can afford is
no coverage at all.
> The obvious other option is to pay yourself. Many people elect to do
> this.
>
Pay - with what? There are million of families who
can barely pay their rent, much less hyperexpensive
medical bills when they come down with a cronic condition.
> For major things (and even minor things) you can always get treatment
> in a hospital emergency room, whether you have insurance or not.
What is the emergency room treatment for Alzheimers
or Tay Sachs Syndrome or Huntington's chorea?
Fred J. McCall
:In article <vdbt34lslknbt9qsd...@4ax.com>,
: Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>
:> :In article <7e5t34lfosa9c4f42...@4ax.com>,
:> : Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:> :
:> :> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
:> :> : Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
:> :> :>
:> :> :> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
:> :> :> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
:> :> :> themselves.
:> :> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
:> :> insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
:> :
:> :mccain
:> :cheney
:> :
:>
:> And yet both have insurance. Funny how that works, isn't it?
:
:not insurance they bought
:the insurance was bought through a group plan
:the people actually paying for it are usa taxpayers
:
So what? In case you've forgotten, your point was that neither would
be allowed to buy health insurance.
Are you always this stupid, or are you working at it particularly hard
in this thread?
:> Oh, hogwash!. There are lots of preexisting conditions and chronic
:> illnesses that are not fatal (in any sense other than 'life is
:> fatal'). Most insurance has, at worst, a 'lockout' period for
:> pre-existing conditions. Once that is past (rarely more than a year,
:> frequently less), you have coverage for that condition as well.
:
:so you are ignorant
:
And you are insistently and persistently in error.
Ok, you've convinced me. You really are this stupid.
Get informed and get back to us, won't you?
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Fred J. McCall
:In article <h1dt34tpap4ta86e1...@4ax.com>,
: Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:> 4084 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
:>
:> :On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:55:43 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
:> :<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> :>
:> :>preexisting condition
:> :>
:> :>get cancer (like mccain) and you cannot buy individual insurance again
:> :>if you cant get a job with group coverage or get into a government program
:> :>then you go uninsured
:> :>
:> :>arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
:> :>limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
:> :>then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
:> :>call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
:> :
:> :In fact, one of the more charming elements of McCain's own plan for
:> :health care is that he himself wouldn't be able to get coverage were
:> :he not a high elected official.
:> :
:>
:> Of course he would. Jesus, you people are idiots.
:>
:> 1) He's rich and can pretty much afford whatever coverage he wants, no
:> matter what they charge.
:
:i guess rich people really are better than everyone else
:
No, but they're certainly richer. They can afford more things.
:> 2) He's retired military and already has health care for life.
:
:so you dont have a problem for government medical insurance for some people
Not when it's a benefit of completing an employment agreement for a
career of service.
:> 3) He's over 65 and so has Medicare coverage.
:
:so you dont have a problem for government medical insurance for some people
Actually, I'd rather they found some way to privatize it rather than
running the current Ponzi scheme to fund it.
I'm just pointing out the facts. Your stupid conclusions about them
are all yours.
:> 4) Melanoma (what McCain has had) is easily treatable and really isn't
:> a bar to getting health insurance.
:
:you have done this?
A friend of mine's husband has.
I've also posted several web sites offering health insurance to cancer
sufferers.
You really are both too ignorant AND too stupid to be in this
conversation.
--
"They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of
human knowledge."
-- Thomas Brackett Reed
Fred J. McCall
:In article <coct34h9gh5pmhrhe...@4ax.com>,
: Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:> don't see *voters* arguing over it and as a voter it certainly is my
:> decision to make
:
:so are you character on -lost-?
:
so are you character on -teletubbies-?
--
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that
fool you. He really is an idiot."
-- Groucho Marx
mariposas rand mair fheal
Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :In article <vdbt34lslknbt9qsd...@4ax.com>,
> : Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> :
> :> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> :In article <7e5t34lfosa9c4f42...@4ax.com>,
> :> : Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> :> :
> :> :> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :> :>
> :> :> :In article <863t34pbmgathvba0...@4ax.com>,
> :> :> : Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> :> :> :>
> :> :> :> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
> :> :> :> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
> :> :> :> themselves.
> :> :> :>
> :> :> :
> :> :> :what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
> :> :> :
> :> :>
> :> :> Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
> :> :> insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
> :> :
> :> :mccain
> :> :cheney
> :> :
> :>
> :> And yet both have insurance. Funny how that works, isn't it?
> :
> :not insurance they bought
> :the insurance was bought through a group plan
> :the people actually paying for it are usa taxpayers
> :
>
> So what? In case you've forgotten, your point was that neither would
> be allowed to buy health insurance.
and they dont buy the health insurance
the group they are in does
health insurers etc wont sell to them as individuals
if nobody will offer to sell then you are not allowed to buy
this is all pretty elementary
> Are you always this stupid, or are you working at it particularly hard
> in this thread?
if you think its okay to let people die not because they are untreatable
but because they cannot afford to pay
then just be honest about it
Kerryn Offord
>>> Bullshit! There may not be insurance available for a pre-existing
>>> condition, but that only makes sense. The solution, of course, is to
>>> buy the insurance *BEFORE* the condition exists,
>>>
>> That would work really fine for congenital conditions, wouldn't
>> it?
>
> Actually it does.. if you get your insurance before the congenital
> condition causes problems...
That would make it a "Pre-existing condition" and thus void your
insurance coverage...
Fred J. McCall
:Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in
:
Sure it is. This is rather like saying that a Ferrari Berlineta isn't
a car because I can't afford one.
:
:> The obvious other option is to pay yourself. Many people elect to do
:> this.
:>
:
: Pay - with what? There are million of families who
:can barely pay their rent, much less hyperexpensive
:medical bills when they come down with a cronic condition.
:
How is that my problem? At what point do we stop 'sharing'?
Hey, why not just throw all the money in a pot and everyone take an
equal share?
:
:> For major things (and even minor things) you can always get treatment
:> in a hospital emergency room, whether you have insurance or not.
:
: What is the emergency room treatment for Alzheimers
:or Tay Sachs Syndrome or Huntington's chorea?
:
Why don't you go ask them how they'd handle you?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
Fred J. McCall
:In article <mcru34l8k93bsgull...@4ax.com>,
Prove it.
:if nobody will offer to sell then you are not allowed to buy
:
:this is all pretty elementary
No, this is all pretty simple. The meaning of 'simple' I refer to is
"dim-witted: lacking mental capacity and devoid of subtlety".
:
:> Are you always this stupid, or are you working at it particularly hard
:> in this thread?
:
:if you think its okay to let people die not because they are untreatable
:but because they cannot afford to pay
:then just be honest about it
:
If you think it's ok to lie and distort just because you don't like
the facts then just be honest about it
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
4084 Dead
If there's no other options, then you can tell us it's a car till the
cows come home, but our asses are all pedestrianatin'.
>
>:
>:> The obvious other option is to pay yourself. Many people elect to do
>:> this.
>:>
>:
>: Pay - with what? There are million of families who
>:can barely pay their rent, much less hyperexpensive
>:medical bills when they come down with a cronic condition.
>:
>
>How is that my problem? At what point do we stop 'sharing'?
>
>Hey, why not just throw all the money in a pot and everyone take an
>equal share?
>
>:
>:> For major things (and even minor things) you can always get treatment
>:> in a hospital emergency room, whether you have insurance or not.
>:
>: What is the emergency room treatment for Alzheimers
>:or Tay Sachs Syndrome or Huntington's chorea?
>:
>
>Why don't you go ask them how they'd handle you?
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mariposas rand mair fheal
Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> How is that my problem? At what point do we stop 'sharing'?
>
> Hey, why not just throw all the money in a pot and everyone take an
> equal share?
i wonder why people like you and mccain and shrub arent willing
to americans the full story
the story you tell sounds nice
- control health care costs
- no new taxes
- let the market solve the problem
but you dont explain the rest
- we are going to take lottery
- winners get to suffer and die without treatment
not because they arent treatable
but by removing their demands on healthcare
the suppliers have fewer patients so they must compete
so everyone who loses the lottery gets treatment they can afford
it really sounds nice
lower prices
no taxes to do it
so why not come clean and give americans rest of the story
we will create a permanent class of victims
and then let the people make an informed decision on this
instead of the usual smoke and mirrors
hey you get americans to buy into knowing exactly what theyre buying
then you win
4084 Dead
Hey, Milt! We got another KEEPER!
Steverino thinks that if you lie about a congenital condition to your
insurance company, you won't have any problem until it manifests.
I guess he doesn't know that if you file any sort of sizeable claim
(and most health claims are sizeable in this lunatic system) the
insurance company will double check your medical history with a
fine-tooth comb looking for an out.
4084 Dead
Fred J. McCall
:
Wrong. This is why there is virtually always a 'timeout window' in
health insurance policies on pre-existing condition coverage. After
all, by this argument MOST things would be 'pre-existing conditions'
that simply hadn't manifested yet and the only thing your health
insurance would cover would be things like being struck by a bus.
You guys who don't know anything about any kind of health insurance
other than the government kind really need to stop relying on the
gutter press for your information and actually inform yourselves on
the issue.
--
"Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
-- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer
Fred J. McCall
:On Thu, 29 May 2008 20:50:40 -0700, Fred J. McCall
But nobody is saying you're "not allowed" to buy a car. You can buy a
car any time you can come up with financing.
By the same thinking, there is no class of people who are "not
allowed" to buy health insurance. There are undoubtedly people, as
I've consistently and repeatedly said, who may not be able to afford
the market price, but they're certain allowed to buy if they have the
money.
Thus, the emotional "not allowed to buy health insurance" remark is
mere emotive lying.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
Fred J. McCall
:In article <27uu34p071qv6mhop...@4ax.com>,
: Fred J. McCall <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:> How is that my problem? At what point do we stop 'sharing'?
:>
:> Hey, why not just throw all the money in a pot and everyone take an
:> equal share?
:
:i wonder why people like you and mccain and shrub arent willing
:to americans the full story
:
I wonder why people like you always have to lie in these sorts of
discussions.
:the story you tell sounds nice
:- control health care costs
Where did I say anything like that?
:- no new taxes
Where did I say anything like that?
:- let the market solve the problem
Where did I say anything like that?
:
:but you dont explain the rest
:- we are going to take lottery
:- winners get to suffer and die without treatment
: not because they arent treatable
: but by removing their demands on healthcare
: the suppliers have fewer patients so they must compete
: so everyone who loses the lottery gets treatment they can afford
With regard to your magic government system you don't "explain the
rest": We are going to take lottery winners who get to suffer and die
either because they're in too long a queue waiting for treatment or
because their particular treatment isn't covered in the State plan,
while everyone else who is healthy pays more than they should to
subsidize the worst cases AND to pay for an additional layer of
bureaucracy administering things.
:it really sounds nice
: lower prices
: no taxes to do it
:so why not come clean and give americans rest of the story
: we will create a permanent class of victims
That class exists no matter what scheme you use to ration health care.
:and then let the people make an informed decision on this
:instead of the usual smoke and mirrors
Great advice. You should follow it yourself.
:hey you get americans to buy into knowing exactly what theyre buying
:then you win
Yeah, you do, and when told what it's going to cost them and presented
with a full analysis of costs and effects, most people don't like
'nationalized health care', either.
But emotive dumbasses like you prevent a rational discussion of the
issues and prevent arriving at a better plan.
mariposas rand mair fheal
> other than the government kind really need to stop relying on the
> gutter press for your information and actually inform yourselves on
> the issue.
never had government heath coverage
Steve
They ought to rue the day they dropped out of school, made a baby,
bought the big screen HD TV, or whatever other reason they slipped
into the loser category.
Steve
<Noe...@comcast.com> wrote:
Truth is, that if a person has already got his coverage, he's in fine
shape.. You leftist morons want to wait till you get sick before
buying insurance, and you know what, that's a "bad decision."
Contemplate that!
Steve
wrote:
I'm not keeping you.. You can always go back
>Peter Skelton
Dr. Barry Worthington
> mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :In article <863t34pbmgathvba0humif0rfpet7s2...@4ax.com>,: Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
> :>
> :> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
> :> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
> :> themselves.
> :>
> :
> :what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>
> Please list this class of people who are "not allowed to buy health
> insurance". So far as I know there is no such class.
>
> :
> :
>
> Where do you get this idea that everyone without insurance is
> terminally ill?
>
> Let's inject just a few facts:
>
> 1) If you're in reasonably good health, health insurance for other
> than catastrophic illness tends to be a net lose.
Fine. Avoid the doctor as much as possible. Don't have check ups.
Forget about preventive medicine. Do you really live your life (or
perhaps even treat your family, if you have one) like that? Dearie me!
I've just had a kit for bowel cancer screening through the post from
my local Health Trust. It prolongs lives while saving future possible
health expenditure. It's the kind of thing we do in Britain
>This is why a lot
> of people deliberately make the decision to be 'under-insured'.
Yes, it's probably to do with the cost of the insurance payments......
> It's
> also why health insurance works.
Well, it doesn't work for all your population, does it?
>SOMEBODY has to be paying in more
> than they're getting out or the whole system goes broke. This applies
> no matter who the 'provider' is, including government health schemes.
Indeed. But government national schemes tend to be cheaper and
equitable.
>
> 2) For minor injury and illness, it's frequently cheaper and faster to
> just go to a 'doc in the box' rather than wait to see your regular
> physician under your insurance. Even people who have insurance will
> frequently do this.
And your point is? We can drop in to see a clinic at a health centre
for this kind of thing. But sometimes, 'minor illnesses' do need a
doctor's opinion.
>
> 3) For major injury and illness, nobody gets turned away from a
> hospital emergency room, so the whole "let them die" argument is just
> specious bullshit.
Actually, it isn't. In many parts of America, this provision leaves a
great deal to be desired. But even you must realise that 'ER' (as I
believe you call it) will not suffice for chronic illnesses or many
forms of treatment.
I find it odd that you (and many of your countrymen) are so ignorant
in these matters. But if we had a mainstream media as bad or narrow as
yours......
Dr. Barry Worthington
Dr. Barry Worthington
> Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> :On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve:<stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal:><mair_fh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :>
> :>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0humif0rfpet7s2...@4ax.com>,:>> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
> :>>
> :>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
> :>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
> :>>> themselves.
> :>>
> :>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
> :>
> :>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
> :>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
> :>
> :
> :There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
> :because of a variety of health-related conditions.
>
> Nonsense! You can always get insurance. It just costs you more.
!!!!!!!! Please don't make jokes like that.....I nearly spat my drink
over the keyboard....
> It
> may cost you enough so that it makes sense to not buy it. However,
> nobody is "not allowed" to buy insurance.
Of course they are! In the sense that they are priced out of the
market.....
>
> :
> :Why should
> :insurance companies sell policies that tehy know they'll take a
> :loss on? It's a free country.
> :
>
> Indeed it is. So why should they? Why should the government do so?
> However, there is still no class of people who are 'not allowed' to
> buy insurance. It's just a matter of what they have to pay and what
> risk pool they're in. The price may be so high that insurance doesn't
> make sense any longer.
So what are they supposed to do?
>
> :
> :Sometimes this can be thought of as their own damn fault, other
> :times the victim is a child with a congenital problem. Sometimes
> :I can't make any sense out of the reasons.
> :
> :It's not an uncommon situation,...
> :
>
> Well, yeah, it *is* an uncommon situation.
Sorry, but the rest of us have to live in the real world......
>
> :
> :... here we have a law forcing
> :companies to sell car insurance to anyone licensed which, of
> :course, means good drivers subsidise them.
> :
>
> And you have that law because everyone is REQUIRED to carry some
> minimum of insurance. Note that there is no requirement to sell
> anyone anything over the minimum legal requirement of liability
> insurance.
>
> Not an argument or an example that works well in the health care
> arena, since the argument tends to be premised on everyone having
> access to everything.
And, in a civilised society, that would be the case.....
>
> Also note that despite legal mandates requiring insurance, lots of
> people drive without it either because they cannot afford to buy it
> from the 'high risk' pools or simply because they don't see themselves
> as needing it.
>
> The same thing applies, of course, to health insurance. Lots of
> 'uninsured' aren't insured because they don't see the economic reason.
Or can't afford it?
> They're in good health, don't want to subsidize the high risk folks,
> and are willing to bet against catastrophic accident or illness. If
> they're nervous about those, they buy 'major medical' coverage and
> become members of the 'underinsured'.
Sorry, but to most of us over here, you are describing a rather alien
(and it must be said) disgusting society....
>
> :
> :(One wonders if Steve used his health insurance to get multiple
> :lobotomies and/or if he's been locked in a small room with Fred
> :and without news for the past few decades.)
> :
>
> (One wonders if folks who can't find any more convincing argument than
> personal attacks, as above, have anything going for them other than
> absolute ignorance about the American health care system.)
And that is irony indeed....
Dr. Barry Worthington
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 May 2008 15:46:37 +1200, Kerryn Offord
><ka...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
>
>>Steve wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:35:19 -0400, Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:20:36 -0400, Steve
>>>> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>><SNIP>
>>>>> Bullshit! There may not be insurance available for a pre-existing
>>>>> condition, but that only makes sense. The solution, of course, is to
>>>>> buy the insurance *BEFORE* the condition exists,
>>>>>
>>>> That would work really fine for congenital conditions, wouldn't
>>>> it?
>>>
>>> Actually it does.. if you get your insurance before the congenital
>>> condition causes problems...
>>
>>That would make it a "Pre-existing condition" and thus void your
>>insurance coverage...
>
>Hey, Milt! We got another KEEPER!
<ROTFLMAO> Poor Zepp.. Poor Milt... Here, I'll say it again...
If you get your insurance before the congenital condition causes
problems, you will be covered for it.....
>Steverino thinks that if you lie about a congenital condition to your
>insurance company, you won't have any problem until it manifests.
<sigh> Zepp's reading problems again.... He believes that buying
insurance before you get sick has something to do with lying.....
>I guess he doesn't know that if you file any sort of sizeable claim
>(and most health claims are sizeable in this lunatic system) the
>insurance company will double check your medical history with a
>fine-tooth comb looking for an out.
... <LOL> Poor Zepp's obesity and alcoholism seems to have caused him
problems.. that's OK, he couldn't buy insurance anyway on his
pauper's income... All those years Zepp was driving around drunk in
the mountains have brought the chickens home to roost..
"When I was In high school, I loved getting drunk and tearing
around in the mountains of Central California."
--Zepp Dec 7 1999
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/7230848ec0c07282?hl=en&
Steve
What's the problem, Jamieson? I can afford insurance, my lady can
afford insurance, my kids can afford insurance. Why can't you?
Steve
<ka...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
Nope.. Most state laws insist that a "pre-existing condition" is
defined as a problem that has been previously treated.. which means
that it must have already caused problems... The idea is to buy
insurance before the problems.
Steve
"My interest is the swinging sub-culture"
-- Barry Worthington
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/cea0c8e1abca656b?dmode=source&hl=en
mariposas rand mair fheal
Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
or had a job
employer decided to save money by dropping group coverage
and now the employees are left to their own
Kerryn Offord
> 4084 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> :On Thu, 29 May 2008 20:50:40 -0700, Fred J. McCall
> :<fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> :>Sure it is. This is rather like saying that a Ferrari Berlineta isn't
> :>a car because I can't afford one.
> :
> :If there's no other options, then you can tell us it's a car till the
> :cows come home, but our asses are all pedestrianatin'.
> :
>
> But nobody is saying you're "not allowed" to buy a car. You can buy a
> car any time you can come up with financing.
>
> By the same thinking, there is no class of people who are "not
> allowed" to buy health insurance. There are undoubtedly people, as
> I've consistently and repeatedly said, who may not be able to afford
> the market price, but they're certain allowed to buy if they have the
> money.
>
> Thus, the emotional "not allowed to buy health insurance" remark is
> mere emotive lying.
>
It's not "Not allowed to buy insurance" it's "CAN'T buy insurance"..
because they can't afford the premiums..
It still leaves a lot of people uninsured...
Vincent Brannigan
The only limitation on denial of coverage are effective government
regulations
The insurance industry constantly tries to permanently bar coverage of
preexisting conditions
Thisis a disability case but its the same statute
"MetLife counters that section 3234 (a) (2) was intended to allow
insurers to exclude coverage permanently for any disability resulting
from a preexisting condition that arises within the first 12 months of
coverage. Under this analysis, only disabilities commencing
after the 12-month window are covered by the plan. MetLife's
position is supported by amici curiae Life Insurance Council of
New York, Inc. and other national insurance organizations."
http://www.disabledworkerlaw.com/Benesowitz%20v.%20MetLife%20LTD(1).pdf
In other words if your cancer is diagnosed in the first 12 months of
coverage they claimed it was never covered
Im glad to see you understand the role of powerful and effective
government regulation in protecting the public from being raped by
these companies
Vince
Vincent Brannigan
As a practical matter they can "pay for health care" but they cant buy
community rated "health insurance"
Vince
Steve
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Find another job, Dummy....
Vincent Brannigan
ah yes, another version of "put out or get out"
Vince
mariposas rand mair fheal
Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
your excuses change
why not just be honest
you wiil sacrafice some people to get lower prices for everyone else
you act all ashamed of that
if you are ashamed why do it
if you arent ashamed then why be sneaky
milt....@gmail.com
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>
>
> >> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
> >> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
> >> themselves.
>
> >what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
> >let them die?
>
> "buy" whatever they like.
Wow. Tell you what. Go to an insurance company and tell them you have
AIDS, or Hepatitis, or any of a number of congenital heart ailments,
and watch the "DENIED" letter come in the mail a week later. There are
about 20-25 million people who CANNOT GET a health insurance policy in
this country. And ironically, it's those of us who can afford health
insurance, and are not denied coverage, who get to pay for it when
they are forced into the ER or Urgent Care clinic to get treatment.
>Some just don't like the price, and others
> wait to damn long.
Did you know that changing jobs, even if both employers are with the
same health insurance company, can constitute "waiting too long"?
Yeah, I'm sure you've heard the term "pre-existing condition"? Well,
get this... if you're in a car accident when you work for one
employer, and you break your femur. Then, six years later, your
employer goes out of business, so you end up getting a job with
another employer, who uses the same insurance company. The leg starts
bothering you, so you go to the doctor, and that doctor discovers an
infection located about where your leg broke earlier. The insurance
company denies you coverage, because it's a "pre-existing condition".
Why, you ask? Because, even though it's the same insurance company,
it's not the same insurance POLICY. No kidding, this is happening to
someone as we speak.
> Oh and yes, if you can't pay for your services you
> should die.
Gee, I sure hope you're an atheist.
> We already keep to many people who can't/won't procure
> their own food & housing alive and what has that return on investment
> been?
Well, one of them's running for president right now.
>
> >arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
> >limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
> >then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
> >call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
>
> La de fuckin da. Billary was supposed to do something about health
> care last time she had an office in the White House. What did she
> accomplish other then pissing people off. The current administration
> holds no more blame for what people like to characterize as a "Health
> Crisis" (but it isn't) then any other Administration before it, even
> the ones that promised to do something.
> --
The average family pays $14,000 a year in health insurance taxes right
now. Yeah, I know we don't pay it to the government, so you don't call
it a tax, but that's what it is, anyway. If we had universal coverage,
and everyone paid a percentage of their income, that family's health
care tax would drop to somewhere around $5,000 a year.
I would think a $9000 per year tax reduction for the average family
would be appealing to you. Guess you're just a tax and spend liberal,
eh?
milt....@gmail.com
> Steve wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 May 2008 02:58:25 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>
> >> In article <29qu3490mh0t8ovkg57kcquamd64e2n...@4ax.com>,
> >> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:24:55 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>
> >>>> Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> >>>>news:8cet34to3j1tpi5dk...@4ax.com:
>
> >>>>> Mitchell Holman <Noem...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> :Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca> wrote in
> >>>>> :news:328t345oenqvm7pq1...@4ax.com:
> >>>>> :
> >>>>> :> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
> >>>>> :>
> >>>>> :>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> >>>>> :>>
> >>>>> :>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0humif0rfpet7s2...@4ax.com>,
He's on disability; Uncle Sam pays for his insurance.
Yeah, he's one of those...
milt....@gmail.com
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:49:27 -0400, Steve
>
>
>
> <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:35:19 -0400, Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:20:36 -0400, Steve
> >><stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:33:01 -0400, Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca>
> >>>wrote:
>
> >>>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:19:37 -0400, Steve
> >>>><stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> >>>>><mair_fh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>In article <863t34pbmgathvba0humif0rfpet7s2...@4ax.com>,
> >>>>>> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
> >>>>>>> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
> >>>>>>> themselves.
>
> >>>>>>what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
> >>>>>>let them die?
>
> >>>>>Uhmmmm, who, in America, is not allowed to buy insurance? Shit, boy,
> >>>>>this is a free country. Haven't you heard?
>
> >>>>There are classes of people who cannot buy insurance at any price
> >>>>because of a variety of health-related conditions.
>
> >>>condition, but that only makes sense. The solution, of course, is to
> >>>buy the insurance *BEFORE* the condition exists,
>
> >>That would work really fine for congenital conditions, wouldn't
> >>it?
>
> >Actually it does.. if you get your insurance before the congenital
> >condition causes problems...
The only way to do that would be...
Are you ready...
Would be to guarantee health insurance to everyone as they emerge from
the womb.
It's obvious the Stalker doesn't understand how "pre-existing
conditions" work. Insurance companies routinely deny claims based on
it, and you have to prove you recently developed the condition. If
it's a "congenital defect," it'll be hard to prove you recently
developed it.
I would also point out that you don't always have control over when
you get insurance, or from whom. Most people with insurance get it
through an employer, and that employer decides who carries it and how
much. I was with one employer that changed companies twice within the
four years I was with them, and each one of those switches increased
the chance of developing a "pre-existing condition." And given that
the average family premium is well over $14,000 a year, not too many
families making an average wage could afford that premium on their
own, and still pay the mortgage and utilities.
>
> Bullshit, hot and steaming.
That's pretty much all he serves... it'll get deeper, trust me...
Mitchell Holman
news:l4qu34tlqpjeojh7o...@4ax.com:
So on your planet HMO's never deny coverage, always
recommend the proper treatment regardless of cost, insurance
companies cover all claims because their only concern is
the health of their policy holders and not their profit
margins.
Where do you live - Oz? Xanadu? The Twilight Zone?
milt....@gmail.com
> >>> Bullshit! There may not be insurance available for a pre-existing
> >>> condition, but that only makes sense. The solution, of course, is to
> >>> buy the insurance *BEFORE* the condition exists,
>
> >> That would work really fine for congenital conditions, wouldn't
> >> it?
>
> > Actually it does.. if you get your insurance before the congenital
> > condition causes problems...
>
> insurance coverage...
Unless you get that special "pre-fetal condition supplemental
insurance" we always hear tell about.
Go easy on him.... he's really, really stupid...
Mitchell Holman
news:4vhv34hgi6rgbqskr...@4ax.com:
It is a common trait with conservatives to boil
all issues down to their own experience with it. If
they are making money during a recession then the
recession isn't a problem. If they have a home then
homelessness is not a problem. If they are healthy
then diseases and epidemics are not a problem. If
they haven't been fired then corporate layoffs are
not a problem.
Being so self-absorbed and arrogant is a "family-
values" thing.............
milt....@gmail.com
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 15:46:37 +1200, Kerryn Offord
>
>
>
> <ka...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
> >Steve wrote:
> >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:35:19 -0400, Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca>
>
> >>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:20:36 -0400, Steve
> >>> <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> ><SNIP>
> >>>> Bullshit! There may not be insurance available for a pre-existing
> >>>> condition, but that only makes sense. The solution, of course, is to
> >>>> buy the insurance *BEFORE* the condition exists,
>
> >>> That would work really fine for congenital conditions, wouldn't
> >>> it?
>
> >> Actually it does.. if you get your insurance before the congenital
> >> condition causes problems...
>
> >That would make it a "Pre-existing condition" and thus void your
> >insurance coverage...
>
That one is even dumber than his repetition of his First Amendment
claims for FOUR YEARS.
>
> Steverino thinks that if you lie about a congenital condition to your
> insurance company, you won't have any problem until it manifests.
And if they decide it's a "congenital defect," you would presumably
have to prove that you had the same insurance policy while in the
womb.
>
> I guess he doesn't know that if you file any sort of sizeable claim
> (and most health claims are sizeable in this lunatic system) the
> insurance company will double check your medical history with a
> fine-tooth comb looking for an out.
Well, I'm pretty sure he's on disability and is under Medicaid, so
it's no wonder he didn't know this about private insurance. They have
guys at private insurance companies whose only job is to routinely
deny claims over a certain amount (at one company, it's $5000), and
make you prove to them the claim is valid.
I'd love to see the Stalker go to an insurance company that's denied
his claim for a congenital defect as a "pre-existing condition" and
make the above plea. "But I had the policy BEFORE I showed symptoms!
WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!" Bet he'd change his tune real fast., when the
examiner says, "Hey, Fucktard! Do you know what "congenital" means???"
Steve
<ROTFLMAO> Yeah, dummy, if you got a problem with your life, STFU and
do something about it.
>Vince
Steve
<LOL> that's from Milt who is still pondering who I am...
"Just like "Steve Canyon" did a couple of years ago when I called him
on his fantasy that he was a millionaire with yachts and apartment
complexes and who was an Indian married to a black woman and all these
other strange things. I even stumbled across his real identity, and
while I've never discussed it publically, you did mention it to him,
and he went berserk, remember?"
Zepp Jamieson 31 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/fe9c048c552ef851?hl=en&
"I've got the word back on you from
Zepp. Your real name is Henry Selvitella"
Alric Knoodles Sep 24 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/1d12e417d7c6f999?hl=en&
"I've never failed [the citizen test], Mary Lou. Bet you wouldn't do so well if you
tried it, though. "
--Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/aa89956c510c54dc
"Parker is Steve Canyon, of course"
Zepp Jamieson Aug 7 2005
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/d12282dc011005ea?hl=en&
"And I only know one thing about you, which I will
NEVER reveal to anyone, because it's not what i do."
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f2f538a583cb79c3
"The only reason I even know his name was because, when he first
started stalking me, I needed to know who I was dealing with,"
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/c40621c16ca02727
"Oh, that place over on W. Rio Vista Ave he keeps posting from? "
Licknutz Lochner
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/2ceac009efcc3592
people that Lick-knob Lockner has claimed to be me in one week's time
"John Patrick"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/a1cf0a750ed0a27b
"Nichole"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.african.american/msg/7afc288cd5ce842a
"peter"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/f0e68f5eeccd3d2d
"Sam"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/b6e643d40be55c10
"It's Sollog's GF and/or little brother"
and supporters"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/66c5a3dea83b4cda
<Canyon note>: when they passed out brains to the babies, Kurt Lochner's mother
thought they said beans and she didn't want her little baby to fart when she
paddled him....
Steve
>On May 29, 10:27 am, Zomby-W...@cox.net wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:22:44 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>>
>> <mair_fh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >In article <863t34pbmgathvba0humif0rfpet7s2...@4ax.com>,
>> > Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> ...and, of course, they're perfectly welcome to buy health insurance
>> >> for the loser Americans who don't have the gumption to buy it
>> >> themselves.
>>
>> >what about americans who are not allowed to buy health insurance?
>> >let them die?
>>
>> Who isn't "Allowed" to buy Health Insurance? Anyone & everyone can
>> "buy" whatever they like.
>
>Wow. Tell you what. Go to an insurance company and tell them you have
>AIDS, or Hepatitis, or any of a number of congenital heart ailments,
>and watch the "DENIED" letter come in the mail a week later.
Again... the trick is to buy the insurance BEFORE you get AIDS, or
Hepatitis, or before the congenital heart ailments caused you any
problems..
>There are
>about 20-25 million people who CANNOT GET a health insurance policy in
>this country. And ironically, it's those of us who can afford health
>insurance, and are not denied coverage, who get to pay for it when
>they are forced into the ER or Urgent Care clinic to get treatment.
>
>>Some just don't like the price, and others
>> wait to damn long.
>
>Did you know that changing jobs, even if both employers are with the
>same health insurance company, can constitute "waiting too long"?
BULLSHIT!
>Yeah, I'm sure you've heard the term "pre-existing condition"? Well,
>get this... if you're in a car accident when you work for one
>employer, and you break your femur. Then, six years later, your
>employer goes out of business, so you end up getting a job with
>another employer, who uses the same insurance company. The leg starts
>bothering you, so you go to the doctor, and that doctor discovers an
>infection located about where your leg broke earlier. The insurance
>company denies you coverage, because it's a "pre-existing condition".
>Why, you ask? Because, even though it's the same insurance company,
>it's not the same insurance POLICY. No kidding, this is happening to
>someone as we speak.
More bullshit! Milt always tries to bolster his weak arguments with
"I have a friend who knows......"
"I've DATED people that you would die to meet."
--Milt.Shook... Jul 4 1997
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.right-wing-conservatives/msg/d2ff681c7865876d?hl=en&
"I have been in relationships with some wonderful women, and I haven't been
oon(sic) a "date" since high school. "
--Milt.Shook. Jul 1 1997,
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance.chat/msg/4f3c301996aacded
"I, too, have remained outside of a relationship for most of
the last 6 years."
--Milt.Shook. May 19 1997,
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance/msg/38d18b9a23d84a68
"I'm shy, too, obviously, or I wouldn't even look at this newsgroup"
--.Milt Shook..Feb 28 1996 in alt.support.shyness
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/23782fe7330ab04a?hl=en&
Steve
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't "sacrifice" losers.. losers piss in the beds and expect
others to clean it up... It sure aint my fault you got a crummy job
so don't expect me to come to your rescue.
Mitchell Holman
news:29qu3490mh0t8ovkg...@4ax.com:
And rightwingers accuse liberals of "blaming the victim".
Sheesh.........
>>> For major things (and even minor things) you can always get treatment
>>> in a hospital emergency room, whether you have insurance or not.
>>
>>
>> What is the emergency room treatment for Alzheimers
>>or Tay Sachs Syndrome or Huntington's chorea?
<crickets>
milt....@gmail.com
> Kerryn Offord <ka...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> :> On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:35:19 -0400, Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca>:> wrote:
>
> :>
> :>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:20:36 -0400, Steve:>> <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
> :<SNIP>
> :>>> Bullshit! There may not be insurance available for a pre-existing
> :>>> buy the insurance *BEFORE* the condition exists,
> :>>>
> :>> That would work really fine for congenital conditions, wouldn't
> :>> it?
> :>
> :> Actually it does.. if you get your insurance before the congenital
> :> condition causes problems...
> :
> :That would make it a "Pre-existing condition" and thus void your
> :insurance coverage...
>
> Wrong. This is why there is virtually always a 'timeout window' in
> health insurance policies on pre-existing condition coverage. After
> all, by this argument MOST things would be 'pre-existing conditions'
> that simply hadn't manifested yet and the only thing your health
> insurance would cover would be things like being struck by a bus.
You are so wrong, I don't know where to start.
There are lawyers whose entire practice is fighting this shit. And
there are private insurance companies that ROUTINELY deny any claim
over a certain amount of money as a "pre-existing condition." MOST
congenital problems ARE considered "pre-existing conditions" by almost
all private insurance companies, and when they find out about them,
even if they pay that first claim, they will either drop you, or
increase your premiums beyond what your employer will pay for. In
most cases, premiums double or triple. Not only that, but with a
congenital problem, they'll also drop your kids, until you can prove,
medically, that the defect passed over them.
>
> You guys who don't know anything about any kind of health insurance
> other than the government kind really need to stop relying on the
> gutter press for your information and actually inform yourselves on
> the issue.
Yeah, the above statement has so much irony in it, I'm surprised you
didn't choke on it. Private insurance's job is to minimize risk. Got
it? That means they won't cover you if they know you're sick.
There's irony in that, too, btw...
You know NOTHING about how private insurance ACTUALLY works. And I
mean NOTHING!
>
> --
> "Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
> -- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer
Steve
<LOL> I'm pretty sure Milt doesn't have a clue.... He cant even
figure out what my name is....
>it's no wonder he didn't know this about private insurance. They have
>guys at private insurance companies whose only job is to routinely
>deny claims over a certain amount (at one company, it's $5000), and
>make you prove to them the claim is valid.
>
>I'd love to see the Stalker go to an insurance company that's denied
>his claim for a congenital defect as a "pre-existing condition" and
>make the above plea. "But I had the policy BEFORE I showed symptoms!
>WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!" Bet he'd change his tune real fast., when the
>examiner says, "Hey, Fucktard! Do you know what "congenital" means???"
<ROTFLMAO> Hey, Milt, Fucktard! Do you even know what "pre-existing
condition means???
Apparently not, but Milt doesn't know much of anything..
So here's a couple of resident usenet morons expressing
their ignorance for all to see..........
"It doesn't matter if it's state property or not; the state doesn't
have to power to limit access to a public area. They can charge to
access it, but they can't force people to have a state ID card or
something. It's right in the 14th Amendment; if you allow one person
to get in for free, then all people have to be allowed in for free, if
it's public property."
--Milt Shook.. more ignorance of the law
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/83e117a21b818c9b
"Actually, any beach front has public access, and all state owned
(whether federal or state) must grant equal access to all. That is
the law."
David (Zepp) Jamieson more ignorance of the law
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/6956aa0300e311c9
Canyon Note: A facility that is wholly funded by a local government
has a perfect right to limit the use of that facility to it's
residents. as shown below:
"three resident-only beach parking areas,"
http://www.tampabaybeaches.com/belleairBeach.php
Canyon Note2: and here's municipal marina near me that limits
permanent slip usage to residents.
"only Dunedin residents may rent permanent slips"
http://www.dunedingov.com/home.aspx?page=departments/LeisureServices/Marina
Canyon Note3: Here's some private beaches that are reserved for residents
"Some beaches are open to the public without restriction, while others
are reserved for residents and summer visitors who are staying in the
towns where the beaches are located"
http://www.mvol.com/beaches/
Lucy Vincent Beach: Chilmark section of South Shore. A residents only
beach with a heavy surf.
http://www.capecodweb.com/capeinfo/beachesis.htm
Squibnocket Beach: Chilmark section of South Shore. A residents only
beach with a heavy surf.
http://www.capecodweb.com/capeinfo/beachesis.htm
" The public beach is for residents only and is periodically checked
by local police."
http://www.keenenh.com/seasonal/summer/swimming.asp
Steve
<Noe...@comcast.com> wrote:
<shaking my head and smiling> Learning to read would be to your
benefit, Mitchell... Give it a try...
Steve
<LOL> Actually, babies are generally covered on the parents
insurance.. that is if the parents were were responsible enough to
have insurance....
>It's obvious the Stalker doesn't understand how "pre-existing
>conditions" work.
Irony anyone?
>Insurance companies routinely deny claims based on
>it, and you have to prove you recently developed the condition.
Nope..
> If
>it's a "congenital defect," it'll be hard to prove you recently
>developed it.
It has nothing to do with not being "recently developed." It has to
do with it having become a medical problem.
>I would also point out that you don't always have control over when
>you get insurance, or from whom. Most people with insurance get it
>through an employer, and that employer decides who carries it and how
>much. I was with one employer that changed companies twice within the
>four years I was with them, and each one of those switches increased
>the chance of developing a "pre-existing condition." And given that
>the average family premium is well over $14,000 a year, not too many
>families making an average wage could afford that premium on their
>own, and still pay the mortgage and utilities.
Perhaps Shook should have gotten a real education...
>> Bullshit, hot and steaming.
>
>That's pretty much all he serves... it'll get deeper, trust me...
Trust Shook?????
"sometimes I lie about my personal life on Usenet,
because I like to throw off the stalkers, and
sometimes, making up personal stuff puts the debate
opponent off guard."
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f2f538a583cb79c3
<Canyon note>: No shit Sherlock...
Steve
Irony anyone?
"When you're (sic) margin is called, that's a liability, not an asset. If
you have an account with $100,000 in it, and you borrow $10,000 to
buy with, you only have $100,000 in assets; until you pay the loan,
that $10,000 is not an asset; it's a liability. When the margin is
called (for shits and giggles, let's say for the full amount of
$10,000), there is no way to say that you haven't lost $10,000. In
fact, you're actually out $20,000, because you're out the $10,000
for the loan and the $10,000 to call the margin."
-- Milt Shook Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/a39f580c3012e718?hl=en&
...and Milt hasn't yet explained how a $10,000 margin call will result
in a $20,000 loss, presumably above and beyond whatever loss of market
value in stock precipitated the margin call....
Steve
If you'd spend more time trying to improve your situation and less
time whining about it, you might find a way out of it....
Steve
<LOL> Trick is to buy insurance before you get sick Dummy...