#For all the vapid right wing flag-waggers out there...
4033 Dead
Died hanging from wrists and gagged, with over 25 rib fractures
by bewert
Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:05:50 PM PDT
This is my first of a series of diaries about prisoners murdered by US
forces. It will tell the story of an Iraqi man who died hanging by his
cuffed wrists from a door frame, gagged, and beaten to death by his US
interrogators. As the Final Autopsy Report noted:
The remains are received clad in a white shirt, white pajama type
pants, and white
undershorts. Feces covers the clothing from the waist down....There is
gauze dressing on the left wrist. No other evidence of medical
intervention is noted.... The right chest wall has fractures of ribs
three through seven anteriorly and ribs six through twelve
posteriorly. The left chest wall has fractures of ribs two through
nine anteriorly and ribs seven through twelve posteriorly. There are
fractures of the lateral aspect of ribs nine and ten on the left side.
There is a horizontal fracture through the mid-portion of the body of
the sternum."
- - - -
Yes, our tax dollars are paying for this. Hung up by the wrists and
beaten so badly that he not only had over 25 separate rib fractures,
many slicing into his lungs, he also had a fractured sternum. The
thick, solid bone protecting your heart.
- - - - - - - -
From the Final Autopsy Report:
Circumstances of Death: Iraqi detainee died while in U.S. custody.
Authorization for Autopsy: Office of the Armed Forces Medical
Examiner, lAW 10 USC 1471
Identification: Identification by accompanying paperwork and
wristband, both of which include his name and a detainee number,
3ACR1582
CAUSE OF DEATH: Blunt Force. Injuries and Asphyxia
MANNER OF DEATH: Homicide
FINAL AUTOPSY DIAGNOSES:
I. Multiple Blunt Force Injuries
A. Cutaneous abrasions and contusions of the scalp, torso, and
extremities
B. Deep contusions of the chest wall musculature and abdominal wall
C. Multiple, bilateral, displaced and comminuted rib fractures, with
lacerations of the pleura.
D. Bilateral lung contusions
E. Bilateral hemothoraces
F. Hemorrhage into the mesentery of the small and large bowel
G. Hemorrhage into the left sternohyoid muscle with associated
fractures of the thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone
II. History of Asphyxia, Secondary to Occlusion of the Oral Airway
III. Pleural and Pulmonary Adhesions
IV. Hypertensive Cardiovascular Disease
A. Hypertrophy of the left ventricle of the heart (2.0-centimeters)
B. Cardiomegaly (450-grams)
V. Enlarged, Nodular Prostate Gland
VI. Toxicology is negative for ethanol, drugs of abuse, select
therapeutic
medications, and cyanide
OPINION
This 47-year-old White male, This 47-year-old White male, <redacted>,
died of blunt force injuries and asphyxia. The autopsy disclosed
multiple blunt force injuries,including deep contusions of the chest
wall, numerous displaced rib fractures, lung contusions, and
hemorrhage into the mesentery of the small and large intestine. An
examination of the neck structures revealed hemorrhage into the strap
muscles and fractures of the thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone.
According to the investigative report provided by U.S. Army CID, the
decedent was shackled to the top of a doorframe with a gag in his
mouth at the time he l
The severe blunt force injuries, the hanging position, and the
obstruction of the oral cavity with a gag contributed to this
individual's death. The manner of death is homicide.
................................
much more at:
http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/102405/3235.pdf
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Foxtrot
>Died hanging from wrists and gagged, with over 25 rib fractures
>by bewert
>This is my first of a series of diaries about prisoners murdered by US
>forces. It will tell the story of an Iraqi man who died hanging by his
>cuffed wrists from a door frame, gagged, and beaten to death by his US
>interrogators. As the Final Autopsy Report noted:
>
>
>The remains are received clad in a white shirt, white pajama type
>pants, and white
>undershorts. Feces covers the clothing from the waist down....There is
>gauze dressing on the left wrist. No other evidence of medical
>intervention is noted.... The right chest wall has fractures of ribs
>three through seven anteriorly and ribs six through twelve
I don't see any proof that he was murdered by US personnel.
Unlike you America hating pinkos who ASSume that our fine men
and women in the armed services are sadistic murderers, I'd prefer
to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Perhaps he was beaten by Iraqi forces. Or perhaps he was injured
by locals and had to be restrained because he threatened his
captors.
>Yes, our tax dollars are paying for this. Hung up by the wrists and
>beaten so badly that he not only had over 25 separate rib fractures,
Fine, IMO our mission there has run its useful course. If you want to
make the case that we shouldn't be there, then make it.
But to recklessly accuse our brave forces of murder just to further
your political agenda is disgraceful. It's the same disgusting thing
that John Kerry did when he returned from Vietnam--accuse decent
people of heinous crimes for sleazy political purposes.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
4033 Dead
>4033 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
>>Died hanging from wrists and gagged, with over 25 rib fractures
>>by bewert
>
>>This is my first of a series of diaries about prisoners murdered by US
>>forces. It will tell the story of an Iraqi man who died hanging by his
>>cuffed wrists from a door frame, gagged, and beaten to death by his US
>>interrogators. As the Final Autopsy Report noted:
>>
>>
>>The remains are received clad in a white shirt, white pajama type
>>pants, and white
>>undershorts. Feces covers the clothing from the waist down....There is
>>gauze dressing on the left wrist. No other evidence of medical
>>intervention is noted.... The right chest wall has fractures of ribs
>>three through seven anteriorly and ribs six through twelve
>
>I don't see any proof that he was murdered by US personnel.
Right. Viet Cong snuck into a secured American -run facility and beat
one of their prisoners to death in order to embarrass the Americans.
America is SO lucky it's got patriots like you to stand tall!
>
>Unlike you America hating pinkos who ASSume that our fine men
>and women in the armed services are sadistic murderers, I'd prefer
>to give them the benefit of the doubt.
>
>Perhaps he was beaten by Iraqi forces. Or perhaps he was injured
>by locals and had to be restrained because he threatened his
>captors.
>
>>Yes, our tax dollars are paying for this. Hung up by the wrists and
>>beaten so badly that he not only had over 25 separate rib fractures,
>
>Fine, IMO our mission there has run its useful course. If you want to
>make the case that we shouldn't be there, then make it.
>
>But to recklessly accuse our brave forces of murder just to further
>your political agenda is disgraceful. It's the same disgusting thing
>that John Kerry did when he returned from Vietnam--accuse decent
>people of heinous crimes for sleazy political purposes.
>
>You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:13:56 -0700, Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>
>>4033 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Died hanging from wrists and gagged, with over 25 rib fractures
>>>by bewert
>>
>>>This is my first of a series of diaries about prisoners murdered by US
>>>forces. It will tell the story of an Iraqi man who died hanging by his
>>>cuffed wrists from a door frame, gagged, and beaten to death by his US
>>>interrogators. As the Final Autopsy Report noted:
>>>
>>>
>>>The remains are received clad in a white shirt, white pajama type
>>>pants, and white
>>>undershorts. Feces covers the clothing from the waist down....There is
>>>gauze dressing on the left wrist. No other evidence of medical
>>>intervention is noted.... The right chest wall has fractures of ribs
>>>three through seven anteriorly and ribs six through twelve
>>
>>I don't see any proof that he was murdered by US personnel.
>
>Right. Viet Cong snuck into a secured American -run facility and beat
>one of their prisoners to death in order to embarrass the Americans.
Except that the report does not say that the individual died nor even
suffered his injuries in an American-run facility... nor at the hands
of any American interrogators during an interrogation. Those
implications came from the reporter... who, of course, has his own
agenda...
It appears that Zeppy has never read a book nor watched a movie
that didn't have some sort of mythical monster, space alien,
dragon, vampire, werewolf, fairy, elf, troll, (ect.).
The fatman will tell you what an intellectual he is.. ..because
he reads Vonnegut, Heinlein, and Rowling... <LOL> Yes, indeed,
Zepp apparently believes that Harry Potter is a serious intellectual
work.
The poor slob's life has been such a series of failures and
monotonous struggle to support himself, that he needs the
fantasies in order to escape his realities.
It's obviously beyond Zepp's abilities to understand that ignorance
is not cured by reading fiction.... He might have served himself
better by reading some facts instead of the flights of fantasy he
obviously prefers... It might have helped him in the following
areas, where he demonstrates his ignorance.
"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution specifies that people have
a right to vote in a presidential election pretty much takes the
choice of having [a presidential election] out of the hands of the states."
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Foxtrot
>4033 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>>>I don't see any proof that he was murdered by US personnel.
>>
>>Right. Viet Cong snuck into a secured American -run facility and beat
>>one of their prisoners to death in order to embarrass the Americans.
>
>Except that the report does not say that the individual died nor even
>suffered his injuries in an American-run facility... nor at the hands
>of any American interrogators during an interrogation. Those
>implications came from the reporter... who, of course, has his own
>agenda...
Schlepp is a typical lib, hates every member of the armed forces.
Libs see every single one of them as village burning baby killers.
John Kerry's horrific claims when he returned from Vietnam are
typical of the left wing hatred of the military.
4033 Dead
The victim us undergoing interrogation by Americans.
But let me guess: the victim was actually hit repeatedly by an
out-of-control UFO, despite the heroic efforts of those noble
Americans to save him, right?
I notice that neither of you pathetic ex-americans kept the original
article. Shall I dig it up?
tops...@gmail.com
Dead please fix your clock and stop acting like the republiscum
tools.
topset72
Foxtrot
>Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>>Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>Except that the report does not say that the individual died nor even
>>>suffered his injuries in an American-run facility... nor at the hands
>>>of any American interrogators during an interrogation. Those
>>>implications came from the reporter... who, of course, has his own
>>>agenda...
>>
>>Schlepp is a typical lib, hates every member of the armed forces.
>>Libs see every single one of them as village burning baby killers.
>>John Kerry's horrific claims when he returned from Vietnam are
>>typical of the left wing hatred of the military.
>
>The victim us undergoing interrogation by Americans.
Where does it show that? Unsubstantiated claims by "bewert"?
AFAIK he was just in US custody which doesn't mean that force used
against him was unjustifiable.
I'm guessing he was beat up by Iraqi forces or hostile locals then
had to be restrained because he was determined to be dangerous
to himself and/or others.
FYI prisoners regularly die in US prisons because of their own
psychosis. Why aren't you accusing our prison guards of murdering
them? Maybe because they belong to unions who support Dems?
>But let me guess: the victim was actually hit repeatedly by an
>out-of-control UFO, despite the heroic efforts of those noble
>Americans to save him, right?
Zzzzzzzzzz
>I notice that neither of you pathetic ex-americans kept the original
>article. Shall I dig it up?
What original article? You just posted an editorial by somebody
called bewert and the autopsy report.
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:13:12 -0700, Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>
>>Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>4033 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>>>Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>>>>>I don't see any proof that he was murdered by US personnel.
>>>>
>>>>Right. Viet Cong snuck into a secured American -run facility and beat
>>>>one of their prisoners to death in order to embarrass the Americans.
>>>
>>>Except that the report does not say that the individual died nor even
>>>suffered his injuries in an American-run facility... nor at the hands
>>>of any American interrogators during an interrogation. Those
>>>implications came from the reporter... who, of course, has his own
>>>agenda...
>>
>>Schlepp is a typical lib, hates every member of the armed forces.
>>Libs see every single one of them as village burning baby killers.
>>John Kerry's horrific claims when he returned from Vietnam are
>>typical of the left wing hatred of the military.
>
>The victim us undergoing interrogation by Americans.
...and yet there's nothing that states that his injuries were a result
of any interrogation...
>But let me guess: the victim was actually hit repeatedly by an
>out-of-control UFO, despite the heroic efforts of those noble
>Americans to save him, right?
Resorting to strange strawmen is something a liar would do....
>I notice that neither of you pathetic ex-americans kept the original
>article. Shall I dig it up?
Sure... and underline the part that said Americans inflicted the
injuries....
Kurt Lochner
>
> 4033 Dead was making fun of:
> >
> >"faux_thought" <fox...@null.com> writhed in denials with:
> >>
> >>"Senile Caveman" <semen...@tamponbuoy.rr.com> whined:
> >>>
> >>> 4033 Dead pointed out the obvious, missed upon:
> >>>>
> >>>>"faux_thought" <fox...@null.com> writhed in denials about:
- ---->
> >>>>>I don't see any proof that he was murdered by US personnel.
> >>>>
> >>>> Right. Viet Cong snuck into a secured American -run facility and beat
> >>>> one of their prisoners to death in order to embarrass the Americans.
> >>>
> >>>Except that the report does not say that the individual died
> >>>nor even suffered his injuries in an American-run facility...
> >>>nor at the hands of any American interrogators during an
> >>>interrogation. Those implications came from the reporter...
> >>>who, of course, has his own agenda...
> >>
> >>Schlepp is a typical lib, hates every member of the armed forces.
> >>Libs see every single one of them as village burning baby killers.
> >>John Kerry's horrific claims when he returned from Vietnam are
> >>typical of the left wing hatred of the military.
> >
> > The victim us undergoing interrogation by Americans.
>
>...and yet there's nothing that states that his injuries were
>a result of any interrogation...
Autopsies are beyond your comprehension, John Patrick?..
http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/102405/3235.pdf
Cause of death: Blunt Force Injuries and Asphyxia
Manner of Death: Homicide
> > But let me guess: the victim was actually hit repeatedly by an
> > out-of-control UFO, despite the heroic efforts of those noble
> > Americans to save him, right?
>
>Resorting to strange strawmen is something a liar would do....
Which is typical of a malignant narcissist like you John Patrick..
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4033 Dead
>4033 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
>>Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>>>Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>>Except that the report does not say that the individual died nor even
>>>>suffered his injuries in an American-run facility... nor at the hands
>>>>of any American interrogators during an interrogation. Those
>>>>implications came from the reporter... who, of course, has his own
>>>>agenda...
>>>
>>>Schlepp is a typical lib, hates every member of the armed forces.
>>>Libs see every single one of them as village burning baby killers.
>>>John Kerry's horrific claims when he returned from Vietnam are
>>>typical of the left wing hatred of the military.
>>
>>The victim us undergoing interrogation by Americans.
>
>Where does it show that? Unsubstantiated claims by "bewert"?
>AFAIK he was just in US custody which doesn't mean that force used
>against him was unjustifiable.
Remember when you used to be an American, you cowardly little piece of
shit?
>
>I'm guessing he was beat up by Iraqi forces or hostile locals then
>had to be restrained because he was determined to be dangerous
>to himself and/or others.
>
>FYI prisoners regularly die in US prisons because of their own
>psychosis. Why aren't you accusing our prison guards of murdering
>them? Maybe because they belong to unions who support Dems?
>
>>But let me guess: the victim was actually hit repeatedly by an
>>out-of-control UFO, despite the heroic efforts of those noble
>>Americans to save him, right?
>
>Zzzzzzzzzz
>
>>I notice that neither of you pathetic ex-americans kept the original
>>article. Shall I dig it up?
>
>What original article? You just posted an editorial by somebody
>called bewert and the autopsy report.
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:16:51 -0700, Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>
>>4033 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>>>>Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Except that the report does not say that the individual died nor even
>>>>>suffered his injuries in an American-run facility... nor at the hands
>>>>>of any American interrogators during an interrogation. Those
>>>>>implications came from the reporter... who, of course, has his own
>>>>>agenda...
>>>>
>>>>Schlepp is a typical lib, hates every member of the armed forces.
>>>>Libs see every single one of them as village burning baby killers.
>>>>John Kerry's horrific claims when he returned from Vietnam are
>>>>typical of the left wing hatred of the military.
>>>
>>>The victim us undergoing interrogation by Americans.
>>
>>Where does it show that? Unsubstantiated claims by "bewert"?
>>AFAIK he was just in US custody which doesn't mean that force used
>>against him was unjustifiable.
>
>Remember when you used to be an American, you cowardly little piece of
>shit?
>>
<LOL> Remember that you never will be, Zeppy?
Foxtrot
>"Senile Caveman" <semen...@tamponbuoy.rr.com> whimpered impotently:
>> 4033 Dead was making fun of:
>> > The victim us undergoing interrogation by Americans.
>>
>>...and yet there's nothing that states that his injuries were
>>a result of any interrogation...
>
>Autopsies are beyond your comprehension, John Patrick?..
>
>http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/102405/3235.pdf
>
>Cause of death: Blunt Force Injuries and Asphyxia
Where does it say WHO did this Lacknuts? Whatever happened
to the presumption of innocence? Our servicemen don't deserve
this because you hate them so much eh?
It says he was in US custody when he died but that doesn't prove
anything.
>Manner of Death: Homicide
Prisoners die in custody all the time.
You libs truly despise our armed forces and you ASSume that
they're all war criminals don't you?