#Putsch: US should have bombed Auschwitz
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http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights, pilots flew
by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
hit the right CITY. I'm not even sure their bombers had the range to
even REACH Auschwitz. Then there's the layout of the camps. If a
bombing run was accurate against all expectation, they would have
killed dozens of Germans--and thousands of Jews]
Bush: US should have bombed Auschwitz
Bush Visits Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial; Says US Should
Have Bombed Auschwitz
ARON HELLER
AP News
Jan 11, 2008 06:07 EST
President Bush had tears in his eyes during an hour-long tour of
Israel's Holocaust memorial Friday and told Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice that the U.S. should have bombed Auschwitz to halt
the killing, the memorial's chairman said.
Bush emerged from a tour of the Yad Vashem memorial calling it a
"sobering reminder" that evil must be resisted, and praising victims
for not losing their faith.
Wearing a yarmulke, Bush placed a red-white-and-blue wreath on a stone
slab that covers ashes of Holocaust victims taken from six
extermination camps. He also lit a torch memorializing the victims.
Bush was visibly moved as he toured the site, said Yad Vashem's
chairman, Avner Shalev.
"Twice, I saw tears well up in his eyes," Shalev said.
At one point, Bush viewed aerial photos of the Auschwitz camp taken
during the war by U.S. forces and called Rice over to discuss why the
American government had decided against bombing the site, Shalev said.
The Allies had detailed reports about Auschwitz during the war from
Polish partisans and escaped prisoners. But they chose not to bomb the
camp, the rail lines leading to it, or any of the other Nazi death
camps, preferring instead to focus all resources on the broader
military effort, a decision that became the subject of intense
controversy years later.
Between 1.1 million and 1.5 million people were killed at the camp.
"We should have bombed it," Bush said, according to Shalev.
In the memorial's visitors' book, the president wrote simply, "God
bless Israel, George Bush."
The memorial was closed to the public and under heavy guard Friday,
with armed soldiers standing on top of some of the site's monuments
and a police helicopter and surveillance blimp hovering in the air
overhead.
"I was most impressed that people in the face of horror and evil would
not forsake their God. In the face of unspeakable crimes against
humanity, brave souls — young and old — stood strong for what they
believe," Bush said.
"I wish as many people as possible would come to this place. It is a
sobering reminder that evil exists, and a call that when evil exists
we must resist it," he said.
It was Bush's second visit to the Holocaust memorial, a regular stop
on the visits of foreign dignitaries. His first was in 1998, as
governor of Texas. The last U.S. president to visit was Bill Clinton
in 1994.
Bush, making the most extensive Mideast trip of his presidency, was
accompanied on his tour by a small party that included Rice and
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
At the compound, overlooking a forest on Jerusalem's outskirts, Bush
visited a memorial to the 1.5 million Jewish children killed in the
Holocaust, featuring six candles reflected 1.5 million times in a hall
of mirrors. At the site's Hall of Remembrance, he heard a cantor sing
a Jewish prayer for the dead.
Shalev presented Bush with illustrations of the Bible drawn by the
Jewish artist Carol Deutsch, who perished in the Holocaust.
Deutsch created the works while in hiding from the Nazis in Belgium.
He was informed upon, and died in 1944 in the Buchenwald camp. After
the war, his daughter Ingrid discovered that the Nazis had confiscated
their furniture and valuables but had left behind a single item: a
meticulously crafted wooden box adorned with a Star of David and a
seven-branched menorah, containing a collection of 99 of the artist's
illustrations of biblical scenes.
The originals are on display at Yad Vashem. The memorial recently
decided to produce a special series of 500 replicas, the first of
which was to be presented to Bush.
Debbie Deutsch-Berman, a Yad Vashem employee whose grandfather was
Deutsch's brother, said she was proud that Bush would be given her
relative's artwork.
"These are not just his paintings, they are his legacy, and the fact
that they survived shows that as much as our enemies tried to destroy
the ideas that these paintings embody, they failed," she said.
Later Friday, Bush was to wrap up his three-day visit to Israel and
the Palestinian territories with a visit to Christian holy sites in
Galilee before departing for Kuwait, the next stop on his Mideast
tour.
Source: AP News
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a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
Phlip
That's his answer for everything, right?
If you can't bribe it, bomb it...
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
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>http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
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>[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
<LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>pilots flew
>by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
>hit the right CITY.
That's total bullshit, of course.. by WWII, radio navigation had
been around for a good twenty years.. I'm also willing to bet that
Jamieson really has no idea what "dead reckoning" means...
The stupid clown should have gotten an education instead of driving
around drunk...
"When I was In high school, I loved getting drunk and tearing around in the mountains of Central California."
--Zepp Dec 7 1999
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/7230848ec0c07282?hl=en&
milt....@gmail.com
> http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
Jesus, why do neocons have such a fascination with bombing things as a
way of solving problems? What exactly does he think (and I use the
term loosely) would have happened if Allies had bombed the shit out of
the place? They didn't have the kinds of equipment we have now, and
the likelihood that we might have liberated the prisoners in the camp
was slim; in fact, we would have killed most of them, anyway. In
addition, they would have alerted all other camps, and all other camps
would have been fitted with rockets, or increased patrols in the area,
and we would have lost any spying capability we had at the time.
Gawd, these people are stupid. Do they honestly think that dropping a
bomb on something solves a problem?
> In the memorial's visitors' book, the president wrote simply, "God
> bless Israel, George Bush."
Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable.
>
> The memorial was closed to the public and under heavy guard Friday,
> with armed soldiers standing on top of some of the site's monuments
> and a police helicopter and surveillance blimp hovering in the air
> overhead.
>
> "I was most impressed that people in the face of horror and evil would
> not forsake their God. In the face of unspeakable crimes against
> humanity, brave souls -- young and old -- stood strong for what they
> believe," Bush said.
>
> "I wish as many people as possible would come to this place. It is a
> sobering reminder that evil exists, and a call that when evil exists
> we must resist it," he said.
And yet, it didn't remind of of a certain place he runs, in which
people who have been rounded up randomly, based on the color of their
skin, and thrown in a cell and held for an indefinite period without
trial or due process of any kind, and tortured whenever it's deemed
necessary.
Do these bozos GET that there are levels of "evil," and that the fact
that Auschwitz and Gitmo are on different levels does not make Gitmo
"not evil"?
Wonder if he'll ask them about those elections the Kuwaitis promised
his father about 17 years ago...
Actually, I'm kidding... I don't wonder about that at all. He won't.
Rightwinghank
> On Jan 11, 10:13 am, 3921 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
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> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
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> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights, pilots flew
Would somebody please tell Bush that the holocaust never happened?
Its all bullshit....yes many people died.....at the WORKCAMPS of
disease..
You dont kill people who are working for you to win a war when
man power was very short.
Even jews that deserved it.
love
hank
shalom
If we bombed the camps and jews got killed...jews today would be
screaming
for money from America and land in New jersey...
and we would have to watch it on TV every week.
Kurt Lochner
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> > http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
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> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
--Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
Dr. Barry Worthington
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:13:02 GMT, 3921 Dead
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> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> >[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> >consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
> <LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>
> >pilots flew
> >by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
> >hit the right CITY.
>
> That's total bullshit, of course.. by WWII, radio navigation had
> been around for a good twenty years..
Radio navigation of a sort. By 1939, civil airliners could navigate by
'radio beacons', which involved getting a 'fix' upon an identifiable
transmitter (whose position was known) and working out the position
from the angle of the beam. By using a 'direction finding' aerial,
planes could plot a course this way. They could also use commercial
radio stations. But the nasty Germans turned off all radio
transmissions at the approach of hostile aircraft (as we did in
Britain). Bombers had to rely on plotting their position with the aid
of the sun or the stars, which wasn't much good in bad weather. You
could, of course, use ground landmarks, but the lack of long distance
fighter escorts until post 1943 meant that you had to fly at night,
when only rivers or the coastline were really visible.Otherwise,
navigators had to fall back upon dead reckoning (using the compass and
changing course by a calculation based upon speed and time). But
headwinds could put a plane wildly off course.
> I'm also willing to bet that
> Jamieson really has no idea what "dead reckoning" means...
Oh, I think that he does.....I'm not sure that you know much about
wartime bombing, though....
Anyway, back to the subject. It wasn't really until 1941 that the RAF
developed a navigation technique using electronic navigation beams
directed at the target....such as 'Gee', the first such, I think. But
even then, it only got you to the target area. Most RAF bombing (and
most USAAF bombing) was strategic, therefore, not tactical...it
involved 'plastering' an area with HE and incendiaries.
Tactical (or 'pin point') bombing was something that happened using
fast lighter aircraft (such as Mosquitos or Mitchells) at a lower
level. There were two sorts - that carried out by fighter bombers or
rocket firing planes in support of ground troops, or raids on specific
targets such as the 'Shell House' in Copenhagen. But the aircraft used
had limited ranges.
So how were the allies supposed to bomb Auschwitz? Plaster the place
like they did Ploesti? (A raid of equivalent distance) Tactical
bombing was out of the question, owing to the distance involved.
Another point. Auschwitz was unusual. It was a mass extermination camp
in amongst other camps built to serve the I.G. Farben complex. The
other extermination camps, such as Sobibor, Belzec etc - were
temporary affairs, dispersed amongst forest and country areas.
> The stupid clown should have gotten an education instead of driving
> around drunk...
Well, perhaps you should read a few decent books about the subject.
Dr. Barry Worthington
>
> "When I was In high school, I loved getting drunk and tearing around in the mountains of Central California."
> --Zepp Dec 7 1999http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/7230848ec0c0728...
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"Steve" is one of these imbeciles who thinks America won the Battle of
Britain.
Quite aside from my having been raised in post-war London, there's the
fact that my Dad was in the Battle of Britain, and liked to talk about
some of the difficulties Hitler presented.
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<rightw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 11, 10:43 am, milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 11, 10:13 am, 3921 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
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>> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>>
>> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights, pilots flew
>(crap snipped)
>Would somebody please tell Bush that the holocaust never happened?
That's Usenet for you. Just when Putsch finishes, someone even dumber
and more ignorant pipes up.
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<kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>"sieve" <semen...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
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>> 3921 Dead quoted from:
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>> > http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
>> >
>> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>>
>><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>
>*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
ROTFLMAO!
Rightwinghank
wrote:
> On Jan 11, 3:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> like they did Ploesti? (A raid of equivalent distance) Tactical
> bombing was out of the question, owing to the distance involved.
>
> Another point. Auschwitz was unusual. It was a mass extermination camp
> Well, perhaps you should read a few decent books about the subject.
>
> Dr. Barry Worthington
...............................................
Read a few decent books on the holocust?
Sorry...I dont read fiction.
If anyone died...it was from disease....and malnuturion ....it was a
war...
germany was losing...had little food..and manpower shortages in its
WORKCAMPS
like Auschwitz......
But gas people with insecticide?
Spray was used to kill vermin fleas that jews had.
Gas exaust trucks for killing millions?
Human lampshades....???
All jew lies...
And 6 milllion is a made up Estimate.
No real facts to back it up.
Prove it.
love
hank
spudnuts: his balls, his brains and his crew.
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>
>
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> of supporting this party, and this is what it has become. Even if you
> don't like the S-Chip expansion, it is hard to deny what Republicans
> are- a bunch of bitter, nasty, petty, snarling, sneering, vicious
> thugs, peering through people's windows so they can make fun of their
> misfortune.
>
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>
> Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
>
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Oh, good, I guess that means we can now bomb GITMO...
Harry, send 'em in.
heh.
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Well, I see that Canyon seems to think it would have been easy,
because the Germans would have set up navigation beacons to guide them
and they could then drop Norton Anti-Virus software on them.
You watch Canyon flail around, trying to sound like he's got a
fifth-grade education, and you begin to understand how the US wound up
with an utter imbecile as its leader.
milt....@gmail.com
wrote:
> "sieve" <semencan...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>
>
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> > 3921 Dead quoted from:
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> > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> > > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
> ><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>
> *>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
No, apparently, they had a very serious computer virus problem, and...
never mind...
Good Lord... The word "blowhard" doesn't even begin to cover it, does
it?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
>
> --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
No, but he swears that he has "proof" that I was never a page, despite
the fact that such a thing would be impossible. Even if what he said
was true, he would have to commit fraud against the federal government
(I'm pretty sure that's a felony) for misrepresenting himself to a
former employer.
Like I said... he's no mere "blowhard"... he's so much more.
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And if you can't do either, declare it "a leading ally in the war on
terror..."
Kurt Lochner
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> Kurt Lochner wrote:
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> >"sieve" <semen...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
> >>
> >> 3921 Dead quoted from:
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> >> > http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
> >> >
> >> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> >> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
> >>
> >><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
> >
> >*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>
> ROTFLMAO!
There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
But actually doesn't but from a quick, incomplete search of
Google. Isn't there a name for such "google scholars"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
--Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
_______________________________________________________________
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news:<i4tp5v4c5ulhakvei...@4ax.com>
"I never made any claims I couldn't back up...."
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Canyon <parkie...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:59:42 GMT
news:<rg6q5vgq29cerpocl...@4ax.com>
"I don't need to back anything up, you moron, cause unlike
yourself, my self image is not dependent on what others
think about me."
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
news:<jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
"I have no need to demonstrate what I know,[..]"
"MY self image is very secure...."
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Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:08:28 GMT
news:<u3sp5vc0nhsdj4fbo...@4ax.com>
"[..] my ego isn't even slightly effected by what others
might think of me."
Steve
wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:21:09 -0600, Kurt Lochner
><kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"sieve" <semen...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>>>
>>> 3921 Dead quoted from:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
>>> >
>>> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>>> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>>>
>>><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>>
>>*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>
>ROTFLMAO!
Apparently, the best these loons can do against me is spelling
flames..
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
>>
>>--Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in Maryland. Why is
that hard to believe?"
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=senate+page
"Actually, I did misspeak on that one. One year in the House and one
year in the Senate."
--MilT.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/06a060ef017bf1a0
No one has ever been both a Senate and a House page and no one has ever been a page for five years.
NOTE: Cox was fired in 1973.. Gingrich was first elected in 1978...
Archibald Cox was as fair a man as there ever was; THAT IS WHY NIXON FIRED
HIS ASS!! Spark, I would think you'd do more reading during your month in
exile. I was a page for someone on the judiciary committee at the time,
and none other than Bob Dole said that Archie Cox was a "fine man"...
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/bb35672e77b8808a
"I was a page when Newt first
started, and I thought he was an asshole then, and I've been waiting for
soething to change my mind. Nothing yet.."
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/23e7664bf86121dc
Steve
wrote:
<LOL> The battle of Britain really had nothing to do with Allied
bombing raids, Dummy.
>Quite aside from my having been raised in post-war London, there's the
>fact that my Dad was in the Battle of Britain, and liked to talk about
>some of the difficulties Hitler presented.
So he told you that there were no decent bomb sights an that the
bombers flew mostly by dead reckoning? Sounds like he was as dumb as
you. that figures...
>>>
>>> "When I was In high school, I loved getting drunk and tearing around in the mountains of Central California."
>>> --Zepp Dec 7 1999http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/7230848ec0c0728...
"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in Maryland. Why is
Steve
Sure solved WWII.....
"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in Maryland. Why is
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the pathology exhibited by:
> >
> >"sieve" <semencan...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
> > >
> > > 3921 Dead quoted from:
> > >
> > > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
> > > >
> > > > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > > > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
> > ><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
> >
> > *>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>
> No, apparently, they had a very serious computer virus problem, and...
> never mind...
An "enigma" for certain, if you'll pardon the pun..
> Good Lord... The word "blowhard" doesn't even begin to cover it,
> does it?
Nope. And 'malignant narcissist' only scratches the surface..
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
> >
> > --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
>
> No, but he swears that he has "proof" that I was never a page,
> despite the fact that such a thing would be impossible. Even
> if what he said was true, he would have to commit fraud against
> the federal government (I'm pretty sure that's a felony) for
> misrepresenting himself to a former employer.
I'm certain he could rationalize doing that, and then simply
deny everything. It's so typical of the reich-wing now,
and especially ironic, considering the subject header..
> Like I said... he's no mere "blowhard"... he's so much more.
Yup, a textbook example for years to come..
--That's why I keep him kill-filed for the most part..
milt....@gmail.com
wrote:
> On Jan 11, 3:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:13:02 GMT, 3921 Dead
>
> > <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> > >[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > >consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
> > <LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>
> > >pilots flew
> > >by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
> > >hit the right CITY.
>
> > That's total bullshit, of course.. by WWII, radio navigation had
> > been around for a good twenty years..
Gawd. On the one hand, I am glad I ignore this moron's posts. OTOH,
some of the dumbest crap can be entertaining to read.
So, what Canyon's trying to say is, they could have surgically bombed
Auschwitz and wiped it out.
>
> Radio navigation of a sort. By 1939, civil airliners could navigate by
> 'radio beacons', which involved getting a 'fix' upon an identifiable
> transmitter (whose position was known) and working out the position
> from the angle of the beam. By using a 'direction finding' aerial,
> planes could plot a course this way. They could also use commercial
> radio stations. But the nasty Germans turned off all radio
> transmissions at the approach of hostile aircraft (as we did in
> Britain). Bombers had to rely on plotting their position with the aid
> of the sun or the stars, which wasn't much good in bad weather. You
> could, of course, use ground landmarks, but the lack of long distance
> fighter escorts until post 1943 meant that you had to fly at night,
> when only rivers or the coastline were really visible.Otherwise,
> navigators had to fall back upon dead reckoning (using the compass and
> changing course by a calculation based upon speed and time). But
> headwinds could put a plane wildly off course.
Exactly. if they were bombing an entire city, they would have a
reasonable chance of being successful. But there was no such thing,
really, as a "surgical strike." Even now, with modern equipment, those
are difficult to pull off. Back in 1942, they were impossible. And
apparently, Canyon forgets where Auschwitz was; it was a remote camp
in the middle of Poland.
>
> > I'm also willing to bet that
> > Jamieson really has no idea what "dead reckoning" means...
>
> Oh, I think that he does.....I'm not sure that you know much about
> wartime bombing, though....
>
> Anyway, back to the subject. It wasn't really until 1941 that the RAF
> developed a navigation technique using electronic navigation beams
> directed at the target....such as 'Gee', the first such, I think. But
> even then, it only got you to the target area. Most RAF bombing (and
> most USAAF bombing) was strategic, therefore, not tactical...it
> involved 'plastering' an area with HE and incendiaries.
>
> Tactical (or 'pin point') bombing was something that happened using
> fast lighter aircraft (such as Mosquitos or Mitchells) at a lower
> level. There were two sorts - that carried out by fighter bombers or
> rocket firing planes in support of ground troops, or raids on specific
> targets such as the 'Shell House' in Copenhagen. But the aircraft used
> had limited ranges.
>
> So how were the allies supposed to bomb Auschwitz? Plaster the place
> like they did Ploesti? (A raid of equivalent distance) Tactical
> bombing was out of the question, owing to the distance involved.
>
> Another point. Auschwitz was unusual. It was a mass extermination camp
> in amongst other camps built to serve the I.G. Farben complex. The
> other extermination camps, such as Sobibor, Belzec etc - were
> temporary affairs, dispersed amongst forest and country areas.
And if the purpose was to "liberate" the prisoners in such camps,
carpet bombing likely would have simply sped up the process. There is
little doubt that Nazis who felt their lives to be in danger, would
have executed the prisoners first.
The problem with the neocon mindset is that they see everything as a
Schwarzenegger/Stallone/Willis movie. They think they can set the
bombs, and they'll only kill the bad guys. I simply don't see any way
bombing the camp itself would have had any role in stopping the
extermination. I mean, I loved "The Bourne Ultimatum," you know? But
when Matt Damon drove the car off the parking garage roof, that would
have been the actual end of the chase, ya know?
>
> > The stupid clown should have gotten an education instead of driving
> > around drunk...
>
> Well, perhaps you should read a few decent books about the subject.
>
Not gonna happen. His entire frame of research consists of throwing a
few words into Google, and repeating the first thing that comes up
that matches his pre-disposed mindset. Of course, he also rarely
checks the veracity of the source. That's why he repeats (ad nauseum)
all sorts of out of context quotes, and claims them all lies, sans
proof, or even evidence that they're lies. He does personal attacks,
because he has nothing else.
>
> > "When I was In high school, I loved getting drunk and tearing around in the mountains of Central California."
> > --Zepp Dec 7 1999http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/7230848ec0c0728...
See? That's supposed to be a personal attack. As if no one has ever
done anything like that, ever.
3921 Dead
<rightw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 11, 11:56 am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" <sh...@abertay.ac.uk>
>wrote:
>> On Jan 11, 3:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> like they did Ploesti? (A raid of equivalent distance) Tactical
>> bombing was out of the question, owing to the distance involved.
>>
>> Another point. Auschwitz was unusual. It was a mass extermination camp
>
>> Well, perhaps you should read a few decent books about the subject.
>>
>> Dr. Barry Worthington
Interesting allies the right wingers here have...
Steve
<kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
<ROFL> Apparently, the leftist loons have a list of names that they
try out on me on some sort of a schedule.. I've been called John
Parker, Henry Selvetilla, Mary Lou, and a few others I can't
recall.... .since I've been on here...
and the places they claim I've been posting from is even more loony,
since a good deal of my posts are traceable and I also have a web site
that tells quite a bit about my life... it is so much fun to watch
the pathetic little fools muddle about in their ignorance. Little
Lochner is apparently convinced that I once lived in Chicago, yet I
know he can't produce a single shred of evidence of that..
Somebody once claimed that they had proof that I was an apartment
manager somewhere, again with no evidence...
and Shook has me down as pretending to be one of his chatroom buddies,
but still no evidence...
These loons are so full of fantasies about me they have no room for
any facts....
...so here's some clues... Montana, a little while in Colorado and
Brazil, quite a while in the Atlanta area, and then in the Tampa Bay
area... a few other places here and there that I won't talk about,
but never anywhere near Chicago.... I do fly through there.. Hub for
United Airlines, you know.. I have spent a few nights there on
business years ago, long before I did anything on the internet... I
will be flying through there again next week..... I'll drop you
line,
milt....@gmail.com
wrote:
Exactly. Auschwitz was a camp designed for killing massive numbers of
people. I fail to see how carpet bombing the camp would have prevented
those deaths. It simply would have made them more efficient.
I don't see the bombing of Iraq stopping any of the ethnic cleansing
that's going on there...
>
> > Like I said... he's no mere "blowhard"... he's so much more.
>
> Yup, a textbook example for years to come..
>
> --That's why I keep him kill-filed for the most part..
Yeah, I can't killfile using Google, but I don't read any of his
posts, except through others, and usually by accident.
3921 Dead
<kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>milt....@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the pathology exhibited by:
>> >
>> >"sieve" <semencan...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>> > >
>> > > 3921 Dead quoted from:
>> > >
>> > > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>> > > >
>> > > > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>> > > > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>> > ?>
>> > ><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>> >
>> > *>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>>
>> No, apparently, they had a very serious computer virus problem, and...
>> never mind...
>
>An "enigma" for certain, if you'll pardon the pun..
I just remember that we were discussing "Cryptonomicon" when Henny
piped up to say that SF was juvenile and intellectually lightweight.
>
>> Good Lord... The word "blowhard" doesn't even begin to cover it,
>> does it?
>
>Nope. And 'malignant narcissist' only scratches the surface..
>
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
>> >
>> > --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
>>
>> No, but he swears that he has "proof" that I was never a page,
>> despite the fact that such a thing would be impossible. Even
>> if what he said was true, he would have to commit fraud against
>> the federal government (I'm pretty sure that's a felony) for
>> misrepresenting himself to a former employer.
He was telling poor, dumb Brian Carey that I was a Wiccan and former
evangelical the other day. Quite aside from being untrue, it didn't
seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand, but you know
Brian. He's a bit of a lightweight...
Steve
wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:43:20 -0800 (PST), milt....@gmail.com wrote:
well, I see that the dumb alien's imagination is hard at work trying
to come up with some way to get back at me for exposing his lies and
stupidity...
So here we have Zepp lying in an attempt to cover up
his previous stupid claim about capital gains.
"I've never claimed that listing cap gains on a 1040
will put you in jail, only that trying to list them
at a lower rate would."
--Zepp Jamieson Aug 5 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/1634d84e583d3c46?hl=en&
....but here is, in fact, where he made the very claim he denies he ever made........
"If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough."
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Zepp made no mention of any tax rates in that thread and neither did I,
Here's my statement that prompted Zepp's stupid claim.
"First of all, obviously rich people pay way more capital gains tax
than poor people, and secondly, capital gains tax is part of the
income tax... ."
--Nevermore Dec 2, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/008bf7af82689ef7?hl=en&
3921 Dead
<kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>3921 Dead wrote:
>>
>> Kurt Lochner wrote:
>> >
>> >"sieve" <semen...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>> >>
>> >> 3921 Dead quoted from:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
>> >> >
>> >> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>> >> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>> >>
>> >><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>> >
>> >*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!
>
>There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
Yeah, we've all got our lists of things he totally fucked up.
milt....@gmail.com
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:50:10 -0600, Kurt Lochner
>
>
>
pilots had been carrying an antivirus program. it's painfully obvious
that his entire research regimen consists of putting something in
Google, and taking the first thing that matches his prejudices, and
proclaiming it the absolute truth. That's why he uses the personal
crap; he knows he's full of crap, and he thinks that makes us look
full of crap, too...
Dr. Barry Worthington
> On Jan 11, 11:56 am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" <sh...@abertay.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 11, 3:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
> > like they did Ploesti? (A raid of equivalent distance) Tactical
> > bombing was out of the question, owing to the distance involved.
>
> > Another point. Auschwitz was unusual. It was a mass extermination camp
> > Well, perhaps you should read a few decent books about the subject.
>
> > Dr. Barry Worthington
>
> ...............................................
>
> Read a few decent books on the holocust?
Well, in this instance, I was referring to bombing in the Second World
War. But my strictures would also apply to the holocaust in your case.
>
> Sorry...I dont read fiction.
Well, as your whole mind set is rooted in an imaginary world, I can't
see that it makes much difference....
>
> If anyone died...it was from disease....and malnuturion ....it was a
> war...
Oh yes, war has always involved rounding up women and children from
countries that you occupy for no good reason, and then putting them in
camps where they can starve to death and/or dy of typhus. It went far
further than that of course, but I would have thought this was bad
enough.....
>
> germany was losing...had little food..and manpower shortages in its
> WORKCAMPS
In its workcamps? Belsen wasn't a work camp. Neither was Belzec....
>
> like Auschwitz......
Auschwitz or Auschwitz-Birkenau?
> But gas people with insecticide?
Zyklon-B was developed from insecticide. It produced fumes when in
contact with air...as in the technique of fumigation, when you seal up
or close off a room. Or are you daft enough to think that it was a
spray can?
> Spray was used to kill vermin fleas that jews had.
Yes, you are..........look, it was in a crystal form in sealed tins
with danger signs on the label.....
> Gas exaust trucks for killing millions?
Yes, manufactured by a company caller Saurer. The correspondence
relating to their manufacture, and subsequent alteration, still
survives. Not used to kill 'millions', but definitely used in Poland.
>
> Human lampshades....???
Yes.....I've seen photographs of them. Not a common practice, but it
certainly happened...
>
> All jew lies...
You think that Jews were only ones who died in the gas chambers? You
silly, silly man........
The tally included those deemed 'mentally defective'..........
Dr. Barry Worthington.
Dr. Barry Worthington
So, would you mind responding to my posting instead? The one that he
is responding to. The one that suggests you are talking crap?
Dr. Barry Worthington
>
>
>
> >>> "When I was In high school, I loved getting drunk and tearing around in the mountains of Central California."
> >>> --Zepp Dec 7 1999http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/7230848ec0c0728...
>
> "I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in Maryland. Why is
> that hard to believe?"
> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=...
>
> "Actually, I did misspeak on that one. One year in the House and one
> year in the Senate."
> --MilT.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/06a060ef017...
>
> No one has ever been both a Senate and a House page and no one has ever been a page for five years.
>
> NOTE: Cox was fired in 1973.. Gingrich was first elected in 1978...
>
> Archibald Cox was as fair a man as there ever was; THAT IS WHY NIXON FIRED
> HIS ASS!! Spark, I would think you'd do more reading during your month in
> exile. I was a page for someone on the judiciary committee at the time,
> and none other than Bob Dole said that Archie Cox was a "fine man"...
> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/bb35672e77b8808a
>
> "I was a page when Newt first
> started, and I thought he was an asshole then, and I've been waiting for
> soething to change my mind. Nothing yet.."
> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/23e7664bf86...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
milt....@gmail.com
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:44:26 -0600, Kurt Lochner
>
>
>
> <kurt_loch...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> >3921 Dead wrote:
>
> >> Kurt Lochner wrote:
>
>
> >> >> 3921 Dead quoted from:
>
> >> >> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> >> >> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> >> >> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
> >> >><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>
> >> >*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>
> >> ROTFLMAO!
>
> >There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
>
> Yeah, we've all got our lists of things he totally fucked up.
>
Not me. I feel like we don't need one. Almost nothing he says is even
remotely true. The people who buy his BS won't care that he's full of
it, and the rest of us already know...
3921 Dead
But, as Dr. Barry notes, it's fun watching when he implodes like that.
"Norton bombsight" That's a keeper.
I don't think it was an antivirus, though -- I think it was Ralph
Kramden's sewerworker buddy.
milt....@gmail.com
wrote:
> 3921 Dead wrote:
>
> > Kurt Lochner wrote:
>
>
> > >> 3921 Dead quoted from:
>
> > >> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> > >> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > >> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
> > >><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>
> > >*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>
> > ROTFLMAO!
>
> There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
>
> But actually doesn't but from a quick, incomplete search of
> Google. Isn't there a name for such "google scholars"?
Yeah, I think they're called "Google scholars."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
>
> --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> Canyon <stevencan...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:11:30 GMT
> <news:i4tp5v4c5ulhakvei...@4ax.com>
>
> "I never made any claims I couldn't back up...."
> --
> Canyon <parkie_u_w...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:59:42 GMT
> <news:rg6q5vgq29cerpocl...@4ax.com>
>
> "I don't need to back anything up, you moron, cause unlike
> yourself, my self image is not dependent on what others
> think about me."
> --
> Steven Canyon <G...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
> <news:jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
>
> "I have no need to demonstrate what I know,[..]"
>
> "MY self image is very secure...."
> --
> Canyon <stevencan...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:08:28 GMT
Steve
>On Jan 11, 11:56 am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" <sh...@abertay.ac.uk>
>wrote:
>> On Jan 11, 3:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:13:02 GMT, 3921 Dead
>>
>> > <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>>
>> > >[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>> > >consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>>
>> > <LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>>
>> > >pilots flew
>> > >by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
>> > >hit the right CITY.
>>
>> > That's total bullshit, of course.. by WWII, radio navigation had
>> > been around for a good twenty years..
>
>Gawd. On the one hand, I am glad I ignore this moron's posts. OTOH,
>some of the dumbest crap can be entertaining to read.
Gawd, did Milt ever go berserk when I bought up his claims of having
been a Congressional page....
"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in Maryland. Why is
that hard to believe?"
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=senate+page
"Actually, I did misspeak on that one. One year in the House and one
year in the Senate."
--MilT.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/06a060ef017bf1a0
No one has ever been both a Senate and a House page and no one has ever been a page for five years.
NOTE: Cox was fired in 1973.. Gingrich was first elected in 1978...
Archibald Cox was as fair a man as there ever was; THAT IS WHY NIXON FIRED
HIS ASS!! Spark, I would think you'd do more reading during your month in
exile. I was a page for someone on the judiciary committee at the time,
and none other than Bob Dole said that Archie Cox was a "fine man"...
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/bb35672e77b8808a
"I was a page when Newt first
started, and I thought he was an asshole then, and I've been waiting for
soething to change my mind. Nothing yet.."
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/23e7664bf86121dc
Steve
wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:50:10 -0600, Kurt Lochner
><kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>milt....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the pathology exhibited by:
>>> >
>>> >"sieve" <semencan...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>>> > >
>>> > > 3921 Dead quoted from:
>>> > >
>>> > > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>>> > > >
>>> > > > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>>> > > > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>>> > ?>
>>> > ><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>>> >
>>> > *>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>>>
>>> No, apparently, they had a very serious computer virus problem, and...
>>> never mind...
>>
>>An "enigma" for certain, if you'll pardon the pun..
>
>I just remember that we were discussing "Cryptonomicon" when Henny
>piped up to say that SF was juvenile and intellectually lightweight.
>
>
>>
>>> Good Lord... The word "blowhard" doesn't even begin to cover it,
>>> does it?
>>
>>Nope. And 'malignant narcissist' only scratches the surface..
>>
>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
>>> >
>>> > --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
>>>
>>> No, but he swears that he has "proof" that I was never a page,
>>> despite the fact that such a thing would be impossible. Even
<LOL> So Milt is sticking by his claim of having been selected for A
Congressional page twice... and yes I do have proof that he
wasn't...
>>> if what he said was true, he would have to commit fraud against
>>> the federal government (I'm pretty sure that's a felony) for
>>> misrepresenting himself to a former employer.
<LOL> No fraud at all.. Shook's legal knowledge is about the level
of a Jr high Schooler..
>He was telling poor, dumb Brian Carey that I was a Wiccan and former
>evangelical the other day. Quite aside from being untrue, it didn't
>seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand, but you know
>Brian. He's a bit of a lightweight...
Actually, I was telling him that PJ was those things...
>>I'm certain he could rationalize doing that, and then simply
>>deny everything. It's so typical of the reich-wing now,
>>and especially ironic, considering the subject header..
>>
>>> Like I said... he's no mere "blowhard"... he's so much more.
>>
>>Yup, a textbook example for years to come..
>>
>>--That's why I keep him kill-filed for the most part..
Good... like I said, the less trailer trash, the better....
3921 Dead
<sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote:
Not to mention Rom (Gypsies), members of the Resistance (known to the
Germans as "terrorists" or "insurgents"), Slavs, "mud races", gays
(unless ranking members of the Brown Shirts), labor unionists,
socialists, communists, intellectuals and Jehovah's Witnesses. In
all, about 12 million. Jews only comprised about half the total.
milt....@gmail.com
entertaining... sputter away, Canyon)
I just read this entire post, and didn't see a mention of "Allied
bombing raids" anywhere. This wouldn't be you deflecting from your ass
kicking, courtesy of Dr. Barry here, would it?
>
> >Quite aside from my having been raised in post-war London, there's the
> >fact that my Dad was in the Battle of Britain, and liked to talk about
> >some of the difficulties Hitler presented.
>
> So he told you that there were no decent bomb sights an that the
> bombers flew mostly by dead reckoning? Sounds like he was as dumb as
> you. that figures...
>
You really have a serious reading problem. Bombsights were very
elaborate machines, and required a significant amount of training just
to operate. And the discussion started with a suggestion by the
dumbest man to ever occupy the White House (and I mean "occupy" in
every way) that somehow the Holocaust may have been thwarted by
bombing Auschwitz. Bombing the camps at Auschwitz probably would have
just killed the same number of people more quickly; it's unlikely they
would have been able to liberate the camp by bombing.
So, let's see...
We have one guy whose father was among the thousands of pilots from 14
countries who flew in the Battle of Britain, one of the greatest
defeats of the Nazis in the War, saying that bombsights were
inefficient and that pilots often flew by dead reckoning.
We have another guy who probably Googled a couple of words and made
shit up beyond that, who rarely says anything that's actually true,
and who seems to know nothing about anything to do with bombsights,
with Norden being one of the most famous ever, saying that bombsights
were just plain nifty, and suggesting that Bush was right, and we
should have bombed Auschwitz.
seriously, do you KNOW how stupid you are? Obviously you don't.
(And before you repeat yourself yet again... Newt Gingrich was first
elected in 1978, but he lost twice before he won. You do the math. And
Nixon was not impeached in 1973, for Chrissakes. Everyone knows that
he was never actually impeached, but that the Articles of Impeachment
were passed in late July 1974. Hmmm... that's the same year Gingrich
was walking the halls of Congress as a liberal Republican trolling for
money and support. Oh -- and the think about Archibald Cox... it was
said after he was gone. See, Cox did not stop being a "fine man" the
day he was fired.)
milt....@gmail.com
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:02:41 -0800 (PST), Rightwinghank
>
> <rightwingh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 11, 10:43 am, milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jan 11, 10:13 am, 3921 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> >> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> >(crap snipped)
> >Would somebody please tell Bush that the holocaust never happened?
>
> That's Usenet for you. Just when Putsch finishes, someone even dumber
> and more ignorant pipes up.
>
Yeah, in an odd way, I guess it's nice to know that as bad as bush is,
he could be worse...
>
> >Its all bullshit....yes many people died.....at the WORKCAMPS of
>
> >disease..
>
> >You dont kill people who are working for you to win a war when
>
> >man power was very short.
>
> >Even jews that deserved it.
>
> >love
> >hank
> >shalom
> >If we bombed the camps and jews got killed...jews today would be
> >screaming
>
> >for money from America and land in New jersey...
>
> >and we would have to watch it on TV every week.
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
3921 Dead wrote:
>
> http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
>
> [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights, pilots flew
> by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
> hit the right CITY.
>
Not the Americans. Americans flew during the day and they could see
their targets.
> I'm not even sure their bombers had the range to
> even REACH Auschwitz.
>
WHEN?
> Then there's the layout of the camps. If a
> bombing run was accurate against all expectation, they would have
> killed dozens of Germans--and thousands of Jews]
>
But maybe it wouldn't stopped that evil Machine.
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
Steve wrote:
>
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:13:02 GMT, 3921 Dead
> <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
> >
> >[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> >consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
> <LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>
> >pilots flew
> >by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
> >hit the right CITY.
>
> That's total bullshit, of course.. by WWII, radio navigation had
> been around for a good twenty years.. I'm also willing to bet that
> Jamieson really has no idea what "dead reckoning" means...
>
> The stupid clown should have gotten an education instead of driving
> around drunk...
>
He doesn't know what "dead reckoning" means but he does know what "dead
drunk" means.
--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
Phlip
>> even REACH Auschwitz.
>>
> WHEN?
Missions to photograph nearby military targets often pictured Auschwitz by
mistake. You can see lots of details, like which buildings had enough heat to
melt the snow off their roofs.
milt....@gmail.com
>
> > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> > >[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > >consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
> > <LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>
> > >pilots flew
> > >by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
> > >hit the right CITY.
>
> > That's total bullshit, of course.. by WWII, radio navigation had
> > been around for a good twenty years.. I'm also willing to bet that
> > Jamieson really has no idea what "dead reckoning" means...
>
> > The stupid clown should have gotten an education instead of driving
> > around drunk...
>
> He doesn't know what "dead reckoning" means but he does know what "dead
> drunk" means.
>
in the dictionary...
Gandalf Grey
<milt....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd2ce141-bea6-4750...@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On the other hand, Bonde spends most of his time in online dictionaries
trying to make sure that he can split hairs and state that he never said
what he did or that he actually said what he didn't. Bonde is one of the
few people I've actually killfiled because of his utter intellectual
dishonesty. He exists only to make inane commentary which he always later
denies having meant. Being both a fool and a liar, he's just not worth
paying any attention to. Even "Canyon" at least appears to be what he
actually is: a psychopathic stalker. Bonde's pretence of objectivity and
intelligence is an insult.
milt....@gmail.com
<tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 3921 Dead wrote:
>
> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights, pilots flew
> > by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
> > hit the right CITY.
>
> Not the Americans. Americans flew during the day and they could see
> their targets.
>
> > I'm not even sure their bombers had the range to
> > even REACH Auschwitz.
>
> WHEN?
At the time it was active. All of the camps were situated near the
geographic center of the occupied territory. In order to believe "The
US should have bombed Auschwitz," you would have to believe that a US
bomber could have flown over half of German-occupied Europe undetected
and able to drop enough bombs to level the place. Britain was the only
available place to launch such a strike, and the distance was well
over 500 miles, at least.
>
> > Then there's the layout of the camps. If a
> > bombing run was accurate against all expectation, they would have
> > killed dozens of Germans--and thousands of Jews]
>
> But maybe it wouldn't stopped that evil Machine.
Oh, please. How many bombs do you think we could have gotten to the
target, and how many of them could have been delivered accurately? And
given that their main purpose was killing Jews and many, many others,
I fail to see how you prevent that by bombing them first, anyway.
Unless you get every single German in one shot, you don't really do
anything, except force the Germans to kill the prisoners faster. And
that is in the unlikely event you can fly enough bombers over 500
miles undetected to level the place. And there were five other camps,
anyway; if you destroy one, you haven't accomplished much.
milt....@gmail.com
> <milt.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
That's true. Canyon isn't even smart enough how to know how to feign
intelligence.
Dr. Barry Worthington
<tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 3921 Dead wrote:
>
> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights, pilots flew
> > by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
> > hit the right CITY.
>
> Not the Americans. Americans flew during the day and they could see
> their targets.
But had problems hitting them and suffered appalling losses. they soon
fell back on bombing coastal cities (e.g. the U-Boat pens at Brest)
while they had a rethink. It was only the appearance of the Mustang in
large numbers as a long range escort that saved the day. Even then,
the Eight Airforce continued to engage in strategic bombing from a
high altitude.
>
> > I'm not even sure their bombers had the range to
> > even REACH Auschwitz.
>
> WHEN?
Certainly up to 1943. And after that, only heavy bombers. (It was
difficult enough trying to drop supplies to the Warsaw partisans in
1944, and that was only done using Soviet airfields.) Tactical (i.e.
low level precision bombing) would be ruled out, since such aircraft
didn't have the range (or the fight cover, perhaps).
Dr. Barry Worthington
Dr. Barry Worthington
Yes, but such photo-recce pictures were taken by specially adapted
high flying long range aircraft - usually fast stripped down fighters
like Spitfires (usually operating from Italy with drop tanks).
Dr. Barry Worthington
3921 Dead
At least Bonde can feign STUPIDITY....
Gandalf Grey
"3921 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
news:qkmfo39i4iav152f6...@4ax.com...
That's part of why I killfiled him. If I've got to deal with right wing
liars, I'd rather deal with the ones that are lying about the facts and not
some prissy little troll who spends most of his time equivocating about his
own words.
3921 Dead
There is no particular reason to suggest he has any life from the neck
DOWN, either...
Steve
wrote:
This s from Shook who says:
"When you're (sic) margin is called, that's a liability, not an asset.
If you have an account with $100,000 in it, and you borrow $10,000 to
buy with, you only have $100,000 in assets; until you pay the loan,
that $10,000 is not an asset; it's a liability. When the margin is
called (for shits and giggles, let's say for the full amount of
$10,000), there is no way to say that you haven't lost $10,000. In
fact, you're actually out $20,000, because you're out the $10,000
for the loan and the $10,000 to call the margin."
-- Milt Shook Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/a39f580c3012e718?hl=en&
...and Milt hasn't yet explained how a $10,000 margin call will result
in a $20,000 loss, presumably above and beyond whatever loss of market
value in stock precipitated the margin call....
>At least Bonde can feign STUPIDITY....
...and from Jamieson who says..
"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution specifies that people have
a right to vote in a presidential election pretty much takes the
choice of having [a presidential election] out of the hands of the
states."
Zepp Jamieson Sun, Sep 3 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/efb4fcac7b1561cb?hl=en&
...and here's proof of Zepp's ignorance.
"Today, Electors are chosen by popular election, but the Constitution
does not mandate a popular election. The 14th Amendment does mention
the choosing of Electors, but is relevant only when Electors are
elected by popular vote. There is similar mention in the 24th
Amendment. In other words, Electors could be appointed by a state's
legislature, or the legislature could empower the governor to choose
electors. In some cases, state law allows for such appointments if the
popular vote cannot be used to determine a winner, such as if election
results are contested up to federally-mandated deadlines."
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html
Steve
wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:50:10 -0600, Kurt Lochner
><kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>milt....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the pathology exhibited by:
>>> >
>>> >"sieve" <semencan...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>>> > >
>>> > > 3921 Dead quoted from:
>>> > >
>>> > > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>>> > > >
>>> > > > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>>> > > > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>>> > ?>
>>> > ><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>>> >
>>> > *>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>>>
>>> No, apparently, they had a very serious computer virus problem, and...
>>> never mind...
>>
>>An "enigma" for certain, if you'll pardon the pun..
>
>I just remember that we were discussing "Cryptonomicon" when Henny
>piped up to say that SF was juvenile and intellectually lightweight.
You immature loons are easily entertained....
"I have the right to vote against him in the next
election."
--Zepp Jamieson, 1996
http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=4l6trj%24iq4%40news.snowcrest.net
"I will throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate."
--Zepp Jamieson,2000/02/15
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=38a8c8d3.16637502%40news.snowcrest.net
"I can just as easily vote once now--in my local Congressional race"
--Zepp Jamieson, 1996
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.misc/msg/a6fa6287419ce925?hl=en&
"You just doubled the value of my vote."
--Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3905050c.66719349%40news.snowcrest.net
"I -can- vote"
--Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=4lmnit%24eiv%40news.snowcrest.net
[...] if we decide elections by square miles, my vote is worth
200 Los Angeles votes.
--Zepp Jamieson, 2000-12-18
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=tbit3tc60l1a6c1mj89b4o285anpe11kqa%404ax.com&oe=UTF-8
"Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived
in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status
changed dramatically with the Patriot Act."
http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2003/June/04-1695-news11.txt
Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson.
Why were you lying and pretending to be a citizen?
Steve
..and yet everything I say about Shook and Jamieson is fully
documented while they have nothing but bluster and spelling flames on
me
Milt has a history of trying to reinforce his arguments
by presenting the statement of an un-named "expert friends"
of his, who agrees with him, or by concocting a story
about how he is, himself, is an expert in that field..
Turns out Milt Shook is the biggest poseur in usenet history
Milt Shook made this ridiculous claim on May 6 1997, 2:00 am
in attempt to back up his earlier argument..
"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in
Maryland. Why is that hard to believe?"
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=senate+page
It's not just hard to believe, it's just about impossible to
believe since now, Milt claims to have done it twice...
"Actually, I did misspeak on that one. One year in the House
and one year in the Senate."
--MilT.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/06a060ef017bf1a0
Well this may be why he won't talk about it....
Milt claimed to have been a congressional page when Nixon was impeached...
that would have been late 1973
"Um, KNOPP... I was a page in the Congress when the articles of
Impeachment were read into the record. He would have been tried
and found very guilty, as anyone who ever read the accounts at
the time would know. Nixon bowed out, because he knew he would
lose, and because he knew Ford would pardon him."
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/92d9c5f1857761bc
Then Milt also claimed to have been a page when Newt Gingrich was
first elected... <LOL that would have been in late 1978, five years
later...
"I was a page when Newt first started, and I thought he was an asshole
then, and I've been waiting for soething to change my mind. Nothing yet.."
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/23e7664bf86121dc
So Milt claims to have been a congressional page for at least five years....
until he was out of his teens...
Hardly enough time left for Milt to have been a ski instructor..
"I was an instructor for a year, moron. I'm an excellent skier. Or
was, until my knee blew. Now that it's healed though, I'd probably
be back on the black runs pretty quickly... "
--Milt Shook Apr 27 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/49f76a36f933f280
...or for Milt to have been a business consultant for five years..
"I was a consultant for FIVE years. My JOB was to take retailers,
look at how they ran things, and improve their lot. Most of the time,
I could do a report in two weeks. Most of those who followed my advice
are still in business. I only had one failure, and that was because
the owner himself was skimming cash off the top. "
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/2bff5dc5a4ab3669
or was it 13 years?
"I am 38 years old, and have worked in several fields in the past.
I have never made less than $20K, not even when I was 18 years old,
and I am in the midst of a career change. I have worked as a paid
consultant for several political campaigns, and I was a retail
manager, salesman, and consultant for retailers for about 13
years, sometimes simultaneously. I know what makes a business
tick, and I know what makes one fail. "
--Milt.Shook. Mar 16 1997,
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/5c6625559575e3b6
Well, according to Milt's earlier claims, he was a concessional
page until he was out of his teens, and they sure don't make $20K
..and Milt's dating habits were quite phenomenal too...:
"I've DATED people that you would die to meet."
--Milt.Shook... Jul 4 1997
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.right-wing-conservatives/msg/d2ff681c7865876d?hl=en&
so is the person he thinks we'd die to meet?
"I'm not gay, but I dated a paraplegic woman for about six months
many years ago, and we had some of
Steve
wrote:
I'm perfectly happy knowing that spelling flames are the best the
loons can get me for...
"The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters."
--Zepp Jamieson
"http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_541474719
"Well, that's the funny thing about terrorists. If they get what they
want, they stop being terrorists."
--Zepp Jamieson
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=q5sc50lf1id03ms1i9truk78v2dk6052f5%404ax.com
"The South couldn't taken any more of the Missouri Compromise,
sensing (correctly) that it would kill slavery in the end,
and Lincoln planned to uphold it."
--Zepp Jamieson
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=9j2n5vsqfga7l2fsrt0polt2eg6lqs71hv%404ax.com
If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
"I just found out that Condoleezza Rice, [...], the National Security
advisor, spend last evening attending a Broadway play."
--Zepp Jamieson Sep 1, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/30ffcc5ea6364557?hl=en&
"No plane hit the Pentagon. I don’t know what did,[...]"
-- Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/39d98c910d32047b?hl=en&
"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution specifies that people have
a right to vote in a presidential election pretty much takes the
choice of having [a presidential election] out of the hands of the states."
Zepp Jamieson Sun, Sep 3 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/efb4fcac7b1561cb?hl=en&
In fact, I question the milk price, since farm supports put a "floor"
on what retailers can charge.
-- Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f7f4b713c4651011?&hl=en
"Promote the general welfare" chuckles. That means the government is
there to prevent churches, aristocracy, or corporations fron enslaving
the American people.
-- Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f5ef73efac8311bb?hl=en&
Steve
>On Jan 11, 1:25 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:57:35 GMT, 3921 Dead <ze...@finestplanet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:50:10 -0600, Kurt Lochner
>> ><kurt_loch...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
><LOL> And yes, I have proof that you don't.
Bullshit!
>IF you had it, you
>obtained it through fraudulent means, and through no one who actually
>has the information.
<LOL> if I have it I committed fraud? but there is no proof, eh?
>You do know the law regarding obtaining employee files of anyone who
>was ever employed by the federal government, right?
I don't have any federal files from you, Milt. You never had any
federal files, you moron. You never were a Congressional page.. Your
high school grades would never have qualified you anyway.. You were
not only a momma's boy in school, you were a, shall we say, a slow
learner....
>You have to sign a
>form that requires that you are receiving the information for a
>"lawful purpose." But I also happen to know that no one has even asked
>for the information, and I have advised them to call me if anyone
>tries to obtain it.
<ROFL>
>They haven't called me. Someone did tell me that
>you once mentioned the Congressional Page Association at one point,
>but, there actually IS no such thing. Someone tried to start one, but
>it didn't work out. A major hint for you would be that most of their
>web site is hosted by Tripod.
But there are people from that organization who have contacts,
Milt.... and they say they never heard of you..
>Seriously, Canyon, you are so lucky I'm not the litigious type. Of
>course, there would be nothing for me to win, would there?
<LOL> Milt is so full of shit it runs out of his ears.... here's an
example...
"Consider yourself done, or else. if you ever contact me, or anyone I
know, ever again, I'll turn it in to the police down there in Florida,
and let them investigate it. I am a total stranger to you, we have
never met, and you have no reason to look up information about me. As
for proving malice, well, that's pretty much in every post."
"Don't bother me ever again."
"And I do mean NEVER."
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/e0cfd30d3d3084b1
>> >>> if what he said was true, he would have to commit fraud against
>> >>> the federal government (I'm pretty sure that's a felony) for
>> >>> misrepresenting himself to a former employer.
>>
>> <LOL> No fraud at all.. Shook's legal knowledge is about the level
>> of a Jr high Schooler..
>
>So, if you called the Clerk to ask if i had ever been a page, who did
>you say you were? The simple answer is, you didn't. And I know you
>didn't. And you know you didn't.
Actually, the clerk told me to contact my Congressperson, who didn;t
reply, but I had a friend contact his... and he did have access to
that information. you were never a page, Shook... not even once
let alone twice..
>> >He was telling poor, dumb Brian Carey that I was a Wiccan and former
>> >evangelical the other day. Quite aside from being untrue, it didn't
>> >seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand, but you know
>> >Brian. He's a bit of a lightweight...
>>
>> Actually, I was telling him that PJ was those things...
>
>And, of course, he knows everything there is to know about our
>personal lives, based on our Usenet posts.
>
>Hey, Canyon, here's a hardball for you; sometimes I lie about my
>personal life on Usenet,
Make that "USUALLY you lie about your personal life... but you do it
because you're ashamed about your real life.. can't say as I blame
you there....
>because I like to throw off the stalkers, and
>sometimes, making up personal stuff puts the debate opponent off
>guard. Got it?
<ROFL> what a pathetic spin
>The thing is, you don't know what's true and what's
>not, and never will. I will say one thing; my son's mother isn't
>Jewish. And I'll give you a second one. I was a page. Twice; and both
>under unusual circumstances, especially the second time.
Bullshit! you're a liar..
>But you don't know the circumstances, and you don't know anything else
>about me, and that means nothing. And I only know one thing about you,
ROFL MORE BULLSHT!
>which I will NEVER reveal to anyone, because it's not what i do. I
>don't repeat anything I know about anyone, even if I can't stand them.
>It's called ethics; you might try it sometime.
You've never had ethics Shook...
>And I can take the store owner to court for running me off the public
>sidewalk, and it WILL be based on my First Amendment right to be there
>in the first place. If the judge "laughs" me out of court, the judge
>has violated my rights under the First Amendment. Four years now, and
>you still don't get that, and you still call other people stupid.
You are stupid... It's never happened and it never can..
>Oh, and my GPA in high school was 3.98. I got one B and one C in four
>years (Trig... and I still hate Trig). So, yeah; my grades were good
>enough.
<LOL> More lies, Shook.. your schoolmates know better.... not many,
mind you, because you were such a pathetic little momma's boy that
most of them didn't even know your name...
>Now, time to pretend you don't exist again. it's more fun to take you
>out and play with you once in a while.
yes, do run away, Milt...
Milt has a history of trying to reinforce his arguments
by presenting the statement of an un-named "expert friends"
of his, who agrees with him, or by concocting a story
about how he is, himself, is an expert in that field..
Turns out Milt Shook is the biggest poseur in usenet history
Milt Shook made this ridiculous claim on May 6 1997, 2:00 am
in attempt to back up his earlier argument..
"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in
Maryland. Why is that hard to believe?"
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=senate+page
It's not just hard to believe, it's just about impossible to
believe since now, Milt claims to have done it twice...
"Actually, I did misspeak on that one. One year in the House
and one year in the Senate."
--MilT.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/06a060ef017bf1a0
Well this may be why he won't talk about it....
Milt claimed to have been a congressional page when Nixon was impeached...
that would have been late 1973
"Um, KNOPP... I was a page in the Congress when the articles of
Impeachment were read into the record. He would have been tried
and found very guilty, as anyone who ever read the accounts at
the time would know. Nixon bowed out, because he knew he would
lose, and because he knew Ford would pardon him."
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/92d9c5f1857761bc
Then Milt also claimed to have been a page when Newt Gingrich was
first elected... <LOL that would have been in late 1978, five years
later...
"I was a page when Newt first started, and I thought he was an asshole
then, and I've been waiting for soething to change my mind. Nothing yet.."
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/23e7664bf86121dc
Steve
<sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 11, 3:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:13:02 GMT, 3921 Dead
>>
>> <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>>
>> >[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>> >consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>>
>> <LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>>
>> >pilots flew
>> >by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
>> >hit the right CITY.
>>
>> That's total bullshit, of course.. by WWII, radio navigation had
>> been around for a good twenty years..
>
>Radio navigation of a sort. By 1939, civil airliners could navigate by
>'radio beacons', which involved getting a 'fix' upon an identifiable
>transmitter (whose position was known) and working out the position
>from the angle of the beam. By using a 'direction finding' aerial,
>planes could plot a course this way. They could also use commercial
>radio stations. But the nasty Germans turned off all radio
>transmissions at the approach of hostile aircraft (as we did in
>Britain). Bombers had to rely on plotting their position with the aid
>of the sun or the stars, which wasn't much good in bad weather. You
>could, of course, use ground landmarks, but the lack of long distance
>fighter escorts until post 1943 meant that you had to fly at night,
>when only rivers or the coastline were really visible.Otherwise,
>navigators had to fall back upon dead reckoning (using the compass and
>changing course by a calculation based upon speed and time). But
>headwinds could put a plane wildly off course.
>
>> I'm also willing to bet that
>> Jamieson really has no idea what "dead reckoning" means...
>
>Oh, I think that he does.....
I'm pretty sure he doesn't.. Dead reckoning is pretty good for short
range duty.... and it got Lindburgh all the way across the Atlantic
>I'm not sure that you know much about
>wartime bombing, though....
<LOL> I'm pretty sure I know more than you...
>Anyway, back to the subject. It wasn't really until 1941 that the RAF
>developed a navigation technique using electronic navigation beams
>directed at the target....such as 'Gee', the first such, I think. But
Actually, they had radio direction finders in the twenties.. there was
also a system called Lorenze from that era... By the war, there had
been a lot of development in radio navigation.
>even then, it only got you to the target area. Most RAF bombing (and
>most USAAF bombing) was strategic, therefore, not tactical...it
>involved 'plastering' an area with HE and incendiaries.
Actually, that was the RAF night bombing technique.. The US was
working for more precision, however primitive by our standard today.
>Tactical (or 'pin point') bombing was something that happened using
>fast lighter aircraft (such as Mosquitos or Mitchells) at a lower
>level. There were two sorts - that carried out by fighter bombers or
>rocket firing planes in support of ground troops, or raids on specific
>targets such as the 'Shell House' in Copenhagen. But the aircraft used
>had limited ranges.
>
>So how were the allies supposed to bomb Auschwitz? Plaster the place
>like they did Ploesti? (A raid of equivalent distance) Tactical
>bombing was out of the question, owing to the distance involved.
I never suggested that...
>Another point. Auschwitz was unusual. It was a mass extermination camp
>in amongst other camps built to serve the I.G. Farben complex. The
>other extermination camps, such as Sobibor, Belzec etc - were
>temporary affairs, dispersed amongst forest and country areas.
>
>> The stupid clown should have gotten an education instead of driving
>> around drunk...
>
>Well, perhaps you should read a few decent books about the subject.
>
>Dr. Barry Worthington
>
>>
>> "When I was In high school, I loved getting drunk and tearing around in the mountains of Central California."
>> --Zepp Dec 7 1999http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/7230848ec0c0728...
"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in Maryland. Why is
that hard to believe?"
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=senate+page
"Actually, I did misspeak on that one. One year in the House and one
year in the Senate."
--MilT.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/06a060ef017bf1a0
No one has ever been both a Senate and a House page and no one has ever been a page for five years.
NOTE: Cox was fired in 1973.. Gingrich was first elected in 1978...
Archibald Cox was as fair a man as there ever was; THAT IS WHY NIXON FIRED
HIS ASS!! Spark, I would think you'd do more reading during your month in
exile. I was a page for someone on the judiciary committee at the time,
and none other than Bob Dole said that Archie Cox was a "fine man"...
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/bb35672e77b8808a
Steve
<LOL> Shook never did read well...
"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in Maryland. Why is
Steve
>
>>
>A BIT? he thinks we could have stopped the Holocaust if only our
>pilots had been carrying an antivirus program. it's painfully obvious
>that his entire research regimen consists of putting something in
>Google, and taking the first thing that matches his prejudices, and
>proclaiming it the absolute truth. That's why he uses the personal
>crap; he knows he's full of crap, and he thinks that makes us look
>full of crap, too...
So here's Shook's imagination at full speed ahead.... while he goes
totally berserk when I mention his lies about being a compressional
page or a business consultant.
Milt has a history of trying to reinforce his arguments
by presenting the statement of an un-named "expert friends"
of his, who agrees with him, or by concocting a story
about how he is, himself, is an expert in that field..
Turns out Milt Shook is the biggest poseur in usenet history
Milt Shook made this ridiculous claim on May 6 1997, 2:00 am
in attempt to back up his earlier argument..
"I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in
Maryland. Why is that hard to believe?"
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=senate+page
It's not just hard to believe, it's just about impossible to
believe since now, Milt claims to have done it twice...
"Actually, I did misspeak on that one. One year in the House
and one year in the Senate."
--MilT.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/06a060ef017bf1a0
Well this may be why he won't talk about it....
Milt claimed to have been a congressional page when Nixon was impeached...
that would have been late 1973
"Um, KNOPP... I was a page in the Congress when the articles of
Impeachment were read into the record. He would have been tried
and found very guilty, as anyone who ever read the accounts at
the time would know. Nixon bowed out, because he knew he would
lose, and because he knew Ford would pardon him."
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/92d9c5f1857761bc
Then Milt also claimed to have been a page when Newt Gingrich was
first elected... <LOL that would have been in late 1978, five years
later...
"I was a page when Newt first started, and I thought he was an asshole
then, and I've been waiting for soething to change my mind. Nothing yet.."
--Milt.Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/23e7664bf86121dc
Steve
wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:44:26 -0600, Kurt Lochner
><kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>3921 Dead wrote:
>>>
>>> Kurt Lochner wrote:
>>> >
>>> >"sieve" <semen...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>>> >>
>>> >> 3921 Dead quoted from:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
>>> >> >
>>> >> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>>> >> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>>> >>
>>> >><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>>> >
>>> >*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAO!
>>
>>There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
>
>Yeah, we've all got our lists of things he totally fucked up.
Sure you do, but my list of Zepp scewups is way better....
Gandalf Grey
"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
news:ubrfo39s1bsos5qru...@4ax.com...
Except of course that you've been caught on several documented lies,
Lardass. Everyone remembers how I caught you lying through your teeth and
forging quotations on John Locke right here in the newsgroups and how you
ran away for weeks and finally came back as the personal attack troll you
now are. I proved then that you didn't have an ounce of credibility when it
comes to politics and your current career as a netstalker has richly borne
that out.
Steve
wrote:
Notice that you don't see any of Zepp from the neck down... That's
because from the chin down he looks a lot like Jabba the hut..
"Yes, Atkins works extremely well. I've lost 75 pounds."
-Zepp Jamieson 06 Jan 2004
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=h8vmvvsa8hl5sh9qgpt9r4gop9j3ms2gq3%404ax.com
"[...] Zepp is my middle name, and I weigh 237."
-Zepp Jamieson 2004-06-30
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=q327e0lto1kpfk6e5cst57ob60fbomu037%404ax.com
note: 237 + 75 = 312;
Gandalf Grey
This from a guy who's wooden leg makes him look like shit on a stick.
Steve
>And I only know one thing about you,
>which I will NEVER reveal to anyone, because it's not what i do.
Shook can't even figure what my name is or what IP I use. He, nor
anyone else doesn't know ANYTHING about me that I didn't specifically
post here for anybody to know...
"And if I sell stock, my asset level is reduced by the
amount of that stock, EVEN IF the stock I sell is sold
for more than I paid for it."
--Milt Shook.
.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/0f58111c6acb0ce8?hl=en&
Steve
>And I can take the store owner to court for running me off the public
>sidewalk, and it WILL be based on my First Amendment right to be there
>in the first place
...and yet the moron Shook originally claimed that:
"If the flier distributor files suit, it will be based on his First
Amendment right to free speech"
--Milt Shook May 16 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/dd2be3479999ea40?hl=en&
The ignorant fool only brought up this "right to be there" after he
realized that the free speech thing didn't float....
3921 Dead
Remember when he claimed he had incorporated secretly? Or his
inabillty to name the slippage where his yaught supposedly was?
>
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"I simply can not believe this is what the Republican party has
become. I just can’t. It just makes me sick to think all those years
of supporting this party, and this is what it has become. Even if you
don’t like the S-Chip expansion, it is hard to deny what Republicans
are- a bunch of bitter, nasty, petty, snarling, sneering, vicious
thugs, peering through people’s windows so they can make fun of their
misfortune.
I’m registering Independent tomorrow."
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
Steve
Really?? So go prove I did that? You can't? Oh, <LOL> I already
knew that....
Jamieson can only bluster and fume and make up lies.. while I can
nail his fat ass to the wall....
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
That's not a very friendly thing to say, Milt.
--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
3921 Dead
That's all right, Bill. Nobody likes you very much.
milt....@gmail.com
<tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Steve
Irony anyone?
I'm still wondering why PJ booted old Zepp out.. Did he just get too
fat and ugly?
"Just by coincidence, the lottery fell on my birthday. Apollo 13
was about to take off, Chappaquiddick was still a big story, and I was
glued to my transister radio. I drew 345. Barring incredible
catastrope, I could forget about the draft."
-- Zepp Jan 13 1996
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.misc/msg/d3d4e7bc0a427c39?hl=en&
"I was still weighing my options--Canada or jail--the the lottery made
me one of the priviledged lucky. My number, based on my birthday, was
289."
-- Zepp Weasel Jan 19 1998
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.elections/msg/39becb675d51d4e9?hl=en&
I drew a lottery number of 325, and never worried about the draft
again, as far as I was concerned.
-- Zepp Aug 23 1999
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/8667b9116a637152?hl=en&
"I was the draft dodger."
-- Zepp jamieson Sep 11, 12:08 pm
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/efabf601a6b8837c?hl=en&
milt....@gmail.com
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:50 -0800 (PST),milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Jan 11, 12:58 pm, 3921 Dead <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:44:26 -0600, Kurt Lochner
>
> >> <kurt_loch...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >3921 Dead wrote:
>
> >> >> Kurt Lochner wrote:
>
> >> >> >"sieve" <semencan...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>
> >> >> >> 3921 Dead quoted from:
>
> >> >> >> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> >> >> >> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> >> >> >> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
> >> >> >><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>
> >> >> >*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>
> >> >> ROTFLMAO!
>
> >> >There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
>
> >> Yeah, we've all got our lists of things he totally fucked up.
>
> >Not me. I feel like we don't need one. Almost nothing he says is even
> >remotely true. The people who buy his BS won't care that he's full of
> >it, and the rest of us already know...
>
> documented while they have nothing but bluster and spelling flames on
> me
Fully documented?? Let's pick the following apart just a bit, shall
we?
>
> Milthas a history of trying to reinforce his arguments
> by presenting the statement of an un-named "expert friends"
> of his, who agrees with him, or by concocting a story
> about how he is, himself, is an expert in that field..
The fact that you don't get that the above is absolutely ironic, given
what you say below is a testament to your stupidity.
>
> Turns outMiltShookis the biggest poseur in usenet history
Not even close to you...
>
> MiltShookmade this ridiculous claim on May 6 1997, 2:00 am
> in attempt to back up his earlier argument..
>
> "I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in
> Maryland. Why is that hard to believe?"
> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=...
I was. There was a reason for it. I have not shared the reason, or any
details, and you are not in a position to claim anything. Essentially,
your assumption that it's a "ridiculous claim" is based on your, well,
assumptions and nothing more.
>
> It's not just hard to believe, it's just about impossible to
> believe since now,Miltclaims to have done it twice...
>
> "Actually, I did misspeak on that one. One year in the House
> and one year in the Senate."
> --MilT.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/06a060ef017...
>
> Well this may be why he won't talk about it....
>
> Miltclaimed to have been a congressional page when Nixon was impeached...
> that would have been late 1973
As pointed out previously, Nixon was never impeached. Articles of
impeachment were passed in July of 1974.
>
> "Um, KNOPP... I was a page in the Congress when the articles of
> Impeachment were read into the record. He would have been tried
> and found very guilty, as anyone who ever read the accounts at
> the time would know. Nixon bowed out, because he knew he would
> lose, and because he knew Ford would pardon him."
> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/92d9c5f1857...
>
> ThenMiltalso claimed to have been a page when Newt Gingrich was
> first elected... <LOL that would have been in late 1978, five years
> later...
Read it again. It says "when he first started." He LOST two elections
before he won.
>
> "I was a page when Newt first started, and I thought he was an asshole
> then, and I've been waiting for soething to change my mind. Nothing yet.."
> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/23e7664bf86...
>
> SoMiltclaims to have been a congressional page for at least five years....
> until he was out of his teens...
No, your ignorance of history makes you ASSUME that. I never claimed
it.
>
> Hardly enough time left forMiltto have been a ski instructor..
>
> "I was an instructor for a year, moron. I'm an excellent skier. Or
> was, until my knee blew. Now that it's healed though, I'd probably
> be back on the black runs pretty quickly... "
> --MiltShook Apr 27 2004http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/49f76a36f93...
Yeah, that was a hell of a winter...
>
> ...or forMiltto have been a business consultant for five years..
>
> "I was a consultant for FIVE years. My JOB was to take retailers,
> look at how they ran things, and improve their lot. Most of the time,
> I could do a report in two weeks. Most of those who followed my advice
> are still in business. I only had one failure, and that was because
> the owner himself was skimming cash off the top. "
> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/2bff5d...
>
> or was it 13 years?
>
Once again.... you can't read....
> "I am 38 years old, and have worked in several fields in the past.
> I have never made less than $20K, not even when I was 18 years old,
> and I am in the midst of a career change. I have worked as a paid
> consultant for several political campaigns, and I was a retail
> manager, salesman, and consultant for retailers for about 13
> years, sometimes simultaneously. I know what makes a business
> tick, and I know what makes one fail. "
> --Milt.Shook. Mar 16 1997,http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/5c6625559575e3b6
That's 13 years as a manager, salesperson and consultant, not always
simultaneous.
So, so far, you've demonstrated an ignorance of history and no
literacy.
>
> Well, according toMilt'searlier claims, he was a concessional
> page until he was out of his teens, and they sure don't make $20K
No, I wasn't a congressional page until I was out of my teens. It is
your ignorance of history that makes you think Nixon's impeachment and
Gingrich's first congressional campaign were 5 years apart.
>
> ..andMilt'sdating habits were quite phenomenal too...:
>
> "I've DATED people that you would die to meet."
> --Milt.Shook... Jul 4 1997http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.right-wing-conservatives/msg...
>
> so is the person he thinks we'd die to meet?
>
> "I'm not gay, but I dated a paraplegic woman for about six months
> many years ago, and we had some of
Nope. That wasn't one of them.
Gandalf Grey
You seem to be pretty good at lying yourself, Lardass.
In the below, "The Patriot" is Steve Canyon
The Patriot <thepatr...@dont.tread.on.me> wrote in message
news:f17g0ucdvoicjds73...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:23:45 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
> <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
> >The Patriot <thepatr...@dont.tread.on.me> wrote in message
> >news:f6vf0ukg87dbl2u5f...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:19:35 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
> >> <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
> >> >The Patriot <thepatr...@dont.tread.on.me> wrote in message
> >> >news:hcue0ukv4lon3e3k4...@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:49:27 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
> >> >> <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >The Patriot <thepatr...@dont.tread.on.me> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:pm5d0ucn3m7hqqr1o...@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:56:18 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
> >> >> >> <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
GG: > >> >Ohmygod! It's LOCKE! And he says Mikey/Patriot's full of shit!
GG: > >> >
GG: > >> >"The first and fundamental positive law of all commonwealths is
the
GG: > >> >establishing of the legislative power; as the first and
fundamental
GG: > >natural
GG: > >> >law, which is to govern even the legislative itself, is the
GG: preservation
GG: > >of
GG: > >> >the society, and (as far as will consist with the public good) of
GG: every
GG: > >> >person in it." ---John Locke
P: > >> ...of every person. LOL
P: > >
GG: > >Vain laughter considering
P: >
P:> You know, Dumb ass, a quote that says that the society should be
P: > concerned with the "good of every person in it" strongly suggests that
P: > it should put the good of every person first, not second.
P: >
P: > >"as far as will consist with the public good."
GG: Except that you're lying again. That isn't what Locke said and you know
it.
P: > ...you keep "forgetting" to complete that sentence.
GG: On the contrary, you keep editing Locke's words.
P: > it goes...
P: >
P: > "as far as will consist with the public good of every person in it."
GG: No it doesn't.
GG: It goes,
GG: "......, and (as far as will consist with the public good) of every
person
GG: in it."
GG: It's plain from the way Locke wrote that sentence, specifically putting
the
parantheses where he did, that he intended the good of individuals to be
second to the good of the public and of the society.
GG: People interested in seeing your lie for themselves can consult section
134
of John Locke's Second Treatise of Civil Government, Gateway Editions, Henry
Regnery Company, Chicago, Eighth Printing, 1955 or any definitive edition of
Locke's work.
Gandalf Grey
What proof do you have that anyone booted anyone out, Lardass?
On the other hand, I've got proof that you're a liar.
Steve
<LOL> Actually I have you figured out very accurately, Shook...
"Hey, Canyon, here's a hardball for you; sometimes I lie about my
personal life on Usenet"
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f2f538a583cb79c3
>> Turns outMiltShookis the biggest poseur in usenet history
>
>Not even close to you...
>>
>> MiltShookmade this ridiculous claim on May 6 1997, 2:00 am
>> in attempt to back up his earlier argument..
>>
>> "I was a Senate Page for two years when I went to HS in
>> Maryland. Why is that hard to believe?"
>> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/45a41b2be7278eed?&q=...
>
>I was. There was a reason for it. I have not shared the reason, or any
>details, and you are not in a position to claim anything. Essentially,
>your assumption that it's a "ridiculous claim" is based on your, well,
>assumptions and nothing more.
<LOL> Shook always has some deep secret explanation behind his
fabricated stories.... and he always claims to have some reason for
keeping it secret....
>> It's not just hard to believe, it's just about impossible to
>> believe since now,Miltclaims to have done it twice...
>>
>> "Actually, I did misspeak on that one. One year in the House
>> and one year in the Senate."
>> --MilT.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/06a060ef017...
>
>>
>> Well this may be why he won't talk about it....
>>
>> Miltclaimed to have been a congressional page when Nixon was impeached...
>> that would have been late 1973
>
>As pointed out previously, Nixon was never impeached. Articles of
>impeachment were passed in July of 1974.
>
>>
>> "Um, KNOPP... I was a page in the Congress when the articles of
>> Impeachment were read into the record. He would have been tried
>> and found very guilty, as anyone who ever read the accounts at
>> the time would know. Nixon bowed out, because he knew he would
>> lose, and because he knew Ford would pardon him."
>> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/92d9c5f1857...
>>
>> ThenMiltalso claimed to have been a page when Newt Gingrich was
>> first elected... <LOL that would have been in late 1978, five years
>> later...
>
>Read it again. It says "when he first started." He LOST two elections
>before he won.
<LOL> ...and a little high school page was introduced to him? not a
chance.. and of course, there's the fact that people who were pages
during that period never heard of him... and also the fact that some
of his high school classmates said he was a slow learner..... That
alone disqualified him from being a Page.
"Of course, between commuting an hour each way to and from the Capitol
every day, and trying to keep up with my studies in high school, and
play JV football (I was "too skinny" for varsity, according to my
moronic coach), and a few other extra curricular activities, I
wouldn't have had much time for that, anyway. Especially after I blew
out my knee in the fourth game of the season... damn... "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/d4fb757cb481a5c2
--Milt Shook, apparently unaware that congressional pages attend
school mornings and evenings at the Capital so they can attend
sessions of Congress. That's what pages do, Shook.. they don't hang
around the offices of Congress critters meeting congressional
candidates... and they certainly don't have time to play high school
football...
Oh wait, Shook's case was a special which he's not at liberty to
disclose... <LOL>
Oh look, Milt is claiming that he blew out is knee again... I think
he likes that little lie....
>> "I was a page when Newt first started, and I thought he was an asshole
>> then, and I've been waiting for soething to change my mind. Nothing yet.."
>> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/23e7664bf86...
>>
>> SoMiltclaims to have been a congressional page for at least five years....
>> until he was out of his teens...
>
>No, your ignorance of history makes you ASSUME that. I never claimed
>it.
Milt had to head out west with his mommy and daddy after high school
where they foolishly enrolled him in college only to watch him flunk
out.... Milt wasn't much of student, you see. That alone
disqualified him from being a Page.
>> Hardly enough time left forMiltto have been a ski instructor..
>>
>> "I was an instructor for a year, moron. I'm an excellent skier. Or
>> was, until my knee blew. Now that it's healed though, I'd probably
>> be back on the black runs pretty quickly... "
>> --MiltShook Apr 27 2004http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/49f76a36f93...
>
>Yeah, that was a hell of a winter...
But you're a poor liar, Shook... It was your head that blew...
>> ...or forMiltto have been a business consultant for five years..
>>
>> "I was a consultant for FIVE years. My JOB was to take retailers,
>> look at how they ran things, and improve their lot. Most of the time,
>> I could do a report in two weeks. Most of those who followed my advice
>> are still in business. I only had one failure, and that was because
>> the owner himself was skimming cash off the top. "
>> --Milt.Shookhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/2bff5d...
>>
>> or was it 13 years?
>>
>Once again.... you can't read....
<LOL> Oh yeah, I read how your consulting advice had to so with
simply giving all the employees raises..
>> "I am 38 years old, and have worked in several fields in the past.
>> I have never made less than $20K, not even when I was 18 years old,
>> and I am in the midst of a career change. I have worked as a paid
>> consultant for several political campaigns, and I was a retail
>> manager, salesman, and consultant for retailers for about 13
>> years, sometimes simultaneously. I know what makes a business
>> tick, and I know what makes one fail. "
>> --Milt.Shook. Mar 16 1997,http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/5c6625559575e3b6
>
>That's 13 years as a manager, salesperson and consultant, not always
>simultaneous.
>
>So, so far, you've demonstrated an ignorance of history and no
>literacy.
"I am 38 years old, and have worked in several fields in the past. I
have never made less than $20K, not even when I was 18 years old,"
--Milt.Shook. Mar 16 1997,
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/5c6625559575e3b6
I, too, have never taken welfare, even though I was qualified.
--Milt Shook Mar 21 1997
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/9c229b7b6d50e57b
..So how did a single guy qualify for welfare if he made more than
$20K back before 1997?
>> Well, according toMilt'searlier claims, he was a concessional
>> page until he was out of his teens, and they sure don't make $20K
>
>No, I wasn't a congressional page until I was out of my teens. It is
>your ignorance of history that makes you think Nixon's impeachment and
>Gingrich's first congressional campaign were 5 years apart.
>>
>> ..andMilt'sdating habits were quite phenomenal too...:
>>
>> "I've DATED people that you would die to meet."
>> --Milt.Shook... Jul 4 1997http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.right-wing-conservatives/msg...
>>
>> so is the person he thinks we'd die to meet?
>>
>> "I'm not gay, but I dated a paraplegic woman for about six months
>> many years ago, and we had some of
>
>Nope. That wasn't one of them.
"I've DATED people that you would die to meet."
--Milt.Shook... Jul 4 1997
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.right-wing-conservatives/msg/d2ff681c7865876d?hl=en&
"I have been in relationships with some wonderful women, and I haven't
been oon(sic) a "date" since high school. "
--Milt.Shook. Jul 1 1997,
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance.chat/msg/4f3c301996aacded
"I, too, have remained outside of a relationship for most of
the last 6 years."
--Milt.Shook. May 19 1997,
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance/msg/38d18b9a23d84a68
So lets see, Mousy Milt has dated people you'd die to meet, yet he
hasn't been on a date since High School and he's been in relationships
but has remained outside of relationships....
Milt can't keep track of his lies and wild stories....
"A gentleman who owns a group of camera stores says I'm a
business genius, "
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/3531f8f4530c10b5
"You know, I was hired by a guy just like this one time, about 6 years
ago. He ignored everything I told him. He's still in business, but
he's mortgaged to the hilt, even though he pays his employees shit. He
has a lot of customers walking through the door, but the average sale
is about $10, in a store where the average sale should be well over
$100 (a camera store)"
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics/msg/908a7665672487c5?&
...and let's remember Milt's loony claim (below) about a margin call..
"When you're (sic) margin is called, that's a liability, not an asset.
If
you have an account with $100,000 in it, and you borrow $10,000 to
buy with, you only have $100,000 in assets; until you pay the loan,
that $10,000 is not an asset; it's a liability. When the margin is
called (for shits and giggles, let's say for the full amount of
$10,000), there is no way to say that you haven't lost $10,000. In
fact, you're actually out $20,000, because you're out the $10,000
for the loan and the $10,000 to call the margin."
-- Milt Shook Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/a39f580c3012e718?hl=en&
...and Milt hasn't yet explained how a $10,000 margin call will result
in a $20,000 loss, presumably above and beyond whatever loss of market
value in stock precipitated the margin call....
...and of course we can also wonder why a former business consultant
would issue a stupid statement like the one below..
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner wrote:
> >
> > 3921 Dead wrote:
> > >
> > > Kurt Lochner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3921 Dead quoted from:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > > > > > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
> > > > >
> > > > ><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
> > > >
> > > > *>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
> > >
> > >ROTFLMAO!
> >
> > There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
>
> Yeah, we've all got our lists of things he totally fucked up.
Still, it's illustrative of a single point about right-wingers.
They cannot effectively argue their political opinions in a
fair and objective way, and resort to personal attacks more
nearly resembling the epithets of a grade school bully than
the counter-arguments of an adult..
Again proving that "conservativism" is essentially banal and
devoid of any higher-ordered cognitive abilities, and will
fall into the dustbin of history..
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner replied to:
> >
> > 3921 Dead wrote:
> >
> > > Kurt Lochner wrote:
> >
> >
> > > >> 3921 Dead quoted from:
> >
> > > >> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
> >
> > > >> > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > > >> > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
> >
> > > >><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
> >
> > > >*>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
> >
> > > ROTFLMAO!
> >
> > There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
> >
> > Google. Isn't there a name for such "google scholars"?
>
> Yeah, I think they're called "Google scholars."
Henh! I'm not surprised that Crayon/Porker thinks he knows
something he doesn't actually understand. He's caught up in
the malignant narcissism of the neoconservative ideology,
so his alleged 'misspelling' of the Norden bombsight is but
an evasion to distract from the rest of his faulty reasoning..
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the pathology exhibited by:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > 3921 Dead quoted from:
> >> > >
> >> > > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> >> > > > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
> >> > >
> >> > ><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
> >> >
> >> > *>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
> >>
> >> never mind...
> >
> >An "enigma" for certain, if you'll pardon the pun..
>
> I just remember that we were discussing "Cryptonomicon" when Henny
> piped up to say that SF was juvenile and intellectually lightweight.
Crayon's projecting again..
> >> Good Lord... The word "blowhard" doesn't even begin to cover it,
> >> does it?
> >
> > Nope. And 'malignant narcissist' only scratches the surface..
> >
> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
> >> >
> >> > --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
> >>
> >> No, but he swears that he has "proof" that I was never a page,
> >> despite the fact that such a thing would be impossible. Even
> >> if what he said was true, he would have to commit fraud against
> >> the federal government (I'm pretty sure that's a felony) for
> >> misrepresenting himself to a former employer.
>
> He was telling poor, dumb Brian Carey that I was a Wiccan and former
> evangelical the other day. Quite aside from being untrue, it didn't
> seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand, but you know
> Brian. He's a bit of a lightweight...
But of course..
--Look at who they're trying to idolize, W Bush..
Kurt Lochner
> >
> > >milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > >> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the pathology exhibited by:
> > >> > --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
> >
> > >> No, but he swears that he has "proof" that I was never a page,
> > >> despite the fact that such a thing would be impossible. Even
> > >> if what he said was true, he would have to commit fraud against
> > >> the federal government (I'm pretty sure that's a felony) for
> > >> misrepresenting himself to a former employer.
> >
> > He was telling poor, dumb Brian Carey that I was a Wiccan and former
> > evangelical the other day. Quite aside from being untrue, it didn't
> > seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand, but you know
> > Brian. He's a bit of a lightweight...
>
> pilots had been carrying an antivirus program. it's painfully obvious
> that his entire research regimen consists of putting something in
> Google, and taking the first thing that matches his prejudices, and
> proclaiming it the absolute truth. That's why he uses the personal
> crap; he knows he's full of crap, and he thinks that makes us look
> full of crap, too...
Well, when we stoop to his "level", he can infer that..
--Remember not to play your rules according to his game..
Jeffrey Scott Linder
>
>http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
>
>[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
Other than the Norden bombsight.
JSL
>pilots flew
>by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
>hit the right CITY. I'm not even sure their bombers had the range to
>even REACH Auschwitz. Then there's the layout of the camps. If a
>bombing run was accurate against all expectation, they would have
>killed dozens of Germans--and thousands of Jews]
>
>Bush: US should have bombed Auschwitz
>
>Bush Visits Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial; Says US Should
>Have Bombed Auschwitz
>
>ARON HELLER
>AP News
>
>Jan 11, 2008 06:07 EST
>
>President Bush had tears in his eyes during an hour-long tour of
>Israel's Holocaust memorial Friday and told Secretary of State
>Condoleezza Rice that the U.S. should have bombed Auschwitz to halt
>the killing, the memorial's chairman said.
>
>Bush emerged from a tour of the Yad Vashem memorial calling it a
>"sobering reminder" that evil must be resisted, and praising victims
>for not losing their faith.
>
>Wearing a yarmulke, Bush placed a red-white-and-blue wreath on a stone
>slab that covers ashes of Holocaust victims taken from six
>extermination camps. He also lit a torch memorializing the victims.
>
>Bush was visibly moved as he toured the site, said Yad Vashem's
>chairman, Avner Shalev.
>
>"Twice, I saw tears well up in his eyes," Shalev said.
>
>At one point, Bush viewed aerial photos of the Auschwitz camp taken
>during the war by U.S. forces and called Rice over to discuss why the
>American government had decided against bombing the site, Shalev said.
>
>The Allies had detailed reports about Auschwitz during the war from
>Polish partisans and escaped prisoners. But they chose not to bomb the
>camp, the rail lines leading to it, or any of the other Nazi death
>camps, preferring instead to focus all resources on the broader
>military effort, a decision that became the subject of intense
>controversy years later.
>
>Between 1.1 million and 1.5 million people were killed at the camp.
>
>"We should have bombed it," Bush said, according to Shalev.
>
>In the memorial's visitors' book, the president wrote simply, "God
>bless Israel, George Bush."
>
>The memorial was closed to the public and under heavy guard Friday,
>with armed soldiers standing on top of some of the site's monuments
>and a police helicopter and surveillance blimp hovering in the air
>overhead.
>
>"I was most impressed that people in the face of horror and evil would
>not forsake their God. In the face of unspeakable crimes against
>humanity, brave souls — young and old — stood strong for what they
>believe," Bush said.
>
>"I wish as many people as possible would come to this place. It is a
>sobering reminder that evil exists, and a call that when evil exists
>we must resist it," he said.
>
>It was Bush's second visit to the Holocaust memorial, a regular stop
>on the visits of foreign dignitaries. His first was in 1998, as
>governor of Texas. The last U.S. president to visit was Bill Clinton
>in 1994.
>
>Bush, making the most extensive Mideast trip of his presidency, was
>accompanied on his tour by a small party that included Rice and
>Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
>
>At the compound, overlooking a forest on Jerusalem's outskirts, Bush
>visited a memorial to the 1.5 million Jewish children killed in the
>Holocaust, featuring six candles reflected 1.5 million times in a hall
>of mirrors. At the site's Hall of Remembrance, he heard a cantor sing
>a Jewish prayer for the dead.
>
>Shalev presented Bush with illustrations of the Bible drawn by the
>Jewish artist Carol Deutsch, who perished in the Holocaust.
>
>Deutsch created the works while in hiding from the Nazis in Belgium.
>He was informed upon, and died in 1944 in the Buchenwald camp. After
>the war, his daughter Ingrid discovered that the Nazis had confiscated
>their furniture and valuables but had left behind a single item: a
>meticulously crafted wooden box adorned with a Star of David and a
>seven-branched menorah, containing a collection of 99 of the artist's
>illustrations of biblical scenes.
>
>The originals are on display at Yad Vashem. The memorial recently
>decided to produce a special series of 500 replicas, the first of
>which was to be presented to Bush.
>
>Debbie Deutsch-Berman, a Yad Vashem employee whose grandfather was
>Deutsch's brother, said she was proud that Bush would be given her
>relative's artwork.
>
>"These are not just his paintings, they are his legacy, and the fact
>that they survived shows that as much as our enemies tried to destroy
>the ideas that these paintings embody, they failed," she said.
>
>Later Friday, Bush was to wrap up his three-day visit to Israel and
>the Palestinian territories with a visit to Christian holy sites in
>Galilee before departing for Kuwait, the next stop on his Mideast
>tour.
>
>Source: AP News
>
>
>--
>"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government
>talking
>about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order.
>Nothing has
>changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists,
>we're
>talking about getting a court order before we do so"
>-George W. Bush, April 20, 2004
>
>Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
>Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
>
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Kurt Lochner
>
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:02:52 -0800 (PST), milt....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On Jan 11, 12:57 pm, 3921 Dead <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the pathology exhibited by:
> >> >> > --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
> >>
> >> >> No, but he swears that he has "proof" that I was never a page,
> >> >> despite the fact that such a thing would be impossible. Even
> >> >> if what he said was true, he would have to commit fraud against
> >> >> the federal government (I'm pretty sure that's a felony) for
> >> >> misrepresenting himself to a former employer.
> >>
> >> He was telling poor, dumb Brian Carey that I was a Wiccan and former
> >> evangelical the other day. Quite aside from being untrue, it didn't
> >> seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand, but you know
> >> Brian. He's a bit of a lightweight...
> >>
> > A BIT? he thinks we could have stopped the Holocaust if only our
> > pilots had been carrying an antivirus program. it's painfully obvious
> > that his entire research regimen consists of putting something in
> > Google, and taking the first thing that matches his prejudices, and
> > proclaiming it the absolute truth. That's why he uses the personal
> > crap; he knows he's full of crap, and he thinks that makes us look
> > full of crap, too...
>
True story, and so telling of the right-wing mindset..
> "Norton bombsight" That's a keeper.
I know, just like those "magnetic capacitors" of his..
--THe product of his infertile imagination, no doubt..
Kurt Lochner
>
> "Gandalf Grey" wrote:
> >
> >"sieve" <semen...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
> >>
> >> 3921 Dead <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> milt....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> 3921 Dead <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kurt Lochner replied:
___________>
Yup, but I did find that "sloop" of his for sale..
--At salvage prices..
milt....@gmail.com
wrote:
Oh, I never have. He has this notion that he has me cowering in the
corner every time he brings up something personal, but it just makes
me laugh. I just threw him a zinger yesterday, when I told him
"Sometimes I lie about my personal life on Usenet." I predict he'll
use that as a .sig, and think he has me by the balls. He's really just
too stupid to realize that, when it comes to anyone's personal life,
no one knows shit that the person whose personal life is in question
doesn't want you to know. And most of us normal people don't care.
milt....@gmail.com
> 3921 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>
> >consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
> Other than the Norden bombsight.
>
> JSL
>
Really, Jeffrey? Obviously, you haven't been reading the thread.
But hey; why don't you explain to us how the Norden bombsight would
have performed well enough to allow the Allies to only kill the
Germans, and "liberate" the prisoners in the camps.
Keep in mind, Bush was trying to suggest that the mere bombing of
something apparently prevents the "evildoers" from, well, doing their
evil. Please explain how the Norden bombsight (great Googling there,
Sparky!) would have made that possible.
Can't wait to read it.
steven...@yahoo.com
<LOL> Oh yeah, that was a real zinger.... as if it's not obvious
that Shook lies....
> predict he'll
> use that as a .sig, and think he has me by the balls. He's really just
> too stupid to realize that, when it comes to anyone's personal life,
> no one knows shit that the person whose personal life is in question
> doesn't want you to know.
...and yet Shook went berserk when I re-posted his lies about being a
page....
And most of us normal people don't care.
...and that's why Shook posted this little funny....
"Consider yourself done, or else. if you ever contact me, or anyone I
know, ever again, I'll turn it in to the police down there in Florida,
and let them investigate it. I am a total stranger to you, we have
never met, and you have no reason to look up information about me. As
for proving malice, well, that's pretty much in every post."
"Don't bother me ever again."
"And I do mean NEVER."
--Milt Shook
htt>p://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/
e0cfd30d3d3084b1
3921 Dead
<kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>3921 Dead wrote:
>>
>> Kurt Lochner wrote:
>> >
>> > 3921 Dead wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Kurt Lochner wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >"sieve" <semen...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 3921 Dead quoted from:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>> > > > > > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>> > > > >
>> > > > ><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>> > > >
>> > > > *>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>> > >
>> > >ROTFLMAO!
>> >
>> > There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
>>
>> Yeah, we've all got our lists of things he totally fucked up.
>
>Still, it's illustrative of a single point about right-wingers.
>
>They cannot effectively argue their political opinions in a
>fair and objective way, and resort to personal attacks more
>nearly resembling the epithets of a grade school bully than
>the counter-arguments of an adult..
It's part of the conservative mindset. They can't treat with others
as equals. They need to be in a position where they can
simultaneously bully and try to control, whilst loudly proclaiming
their victimhood. Parkie's got that self destructive streak in
himself, where he'll keep pushing and pushing until finally he pushes
the wrong person and is destroyed. Part of him NEEDS that.
I suspect that that's why he works so hard to be disliked, and why he
makes such idiotic errors. He needs people to laugh at him to justify
his behavior.
>
>Again proving that "conservativism" is essentially banal and
>devoid of any higher-ordered cognitive abilities, and will
>fall into the dustbin of history..
Conservatism is for people who won't think or can't think. It's what
makes it so vile, because evil isn't the opposite of decency; it's the
mere absense of it.
>
>--Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
3921 Dead
<kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>3921 Dead wrote:
>>
>> Kurt Lochner wrote:
>> >
>> > milt....@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the pathology exhibited by:
>> >> >
>> >> >"sieve" <semencan...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 3921 Dead quoted from:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > [Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>> >> > > > consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>> >> > >
>> >> > ><LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
>> >> >
>> >> > *>LOL!<* Dumbass John Parker never heard of the Norden bombsight..
>> >>
>> >> No, apparently, they had a very serious computer virus problem, and...
>> >> never mind...
>> >
>> >An "enigma" for certain, if you'll pardon the pun..
>>
>> I just remember that we were discussing "Cryptonomicon" when Henny
>> piped up to say that SF was juvenile and intellectually lightweight.
>
>Crayon's projecting again..
I bet he read it somewhere. Maybe in a comic book.
>
>> >> Good Lord... The word "blowhard" doesn't even begin to cover it,
>> >> does it?
>> >
>> > Nope. And 'malignant narcissist' only scratches the surface..
>> >
>> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
>> >> >
>> >> > --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, Porky?
>> >>
>> >> No, but he swears that he has "proof" that I was never a page,
>> >> despite the fact that such a thing would be impossible. Even
>> >> if what he said was true, he would have to commit fraud against
>> >> the federal government (I'm pretty sure that's a felony) for
>> >> misrepresenting himself to a former employer.
>>
>> He was telling poor, dumb Brian Carey that I was a Wiccan and former
>> evangelical the other day. Quite aside from being untrue, it didn't
>> seem to have anything to do with the topic at hand, but you know
>> Brian. He's a bit of a lightweight...
>
>But of course..
>
>--Look at who they're trying to idolize, W Bush..
3921 Dead
I always shake my head and marvel that he puts so much into my remark
that when I was in high school (over forty years ago), I used to get
drunk and tear around the mountains of central California. I can't
even figure out what point he thinks he's making. I don't think he
had much of a youth himself, because he doesn't understand that others
had one.
Now, if I was STILL getting drunk and driving in the mountains that
way...well, moot point. The mountains tend to kill off drunk drivers
pretty fast.
Maybe one of these days I'll give Parkie a gift, and put up a list of
stupid things I did as a teenage (driving around drunk was just one of
them). He can masturbate to them or whatever it is he does.
3921 Dead
Linder) wrote:
>3921 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Auschwit_01112008.html
>>
>>[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
>>consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
>
>Other than the Norden bombsight.
It was the FIRST real bombsight, and has been improved upon many times
since then. By today's standards, it wasn't a very good bombsight.
But it still wouldn't allow the plane to drop bombs that killed only
those handful of Germans who were surrounded by thousands of
prisoners, or make big heavy allied bombers fly all the way to western
Poland and back in one run.
Face it: it was one of Putsch's most idiotic statements yet.
3921 Dead
Like his mind, it had a few barnicles, did it?
Steve
That Jamieson apparently thinks his drunkenness is normal says a
lot.... As for my youth... I was working hard and actually making
money when I was in High School... which is why I can relax and live
off my investments today, while Jamieson continues to work and live
and to mouth long after the age I retired... and he will no doubt
continue to work and live hand to mouth until that eventual coronary
slaps him down...
>Now, if I was STILL getting drunk and driving in the mountains that
>way...well, moot point. The mountains tend to kill off drunk drivers
>pretty fast.
"Booze and cigs were the only drugs that caused me any problems
Zepp Jamieson Sep 19 1997
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/d51f705639486c96?hl=en&
"Booze and cigs never caused me any problems... imagine that
>Maybe one of these days I'll give Parkie a gift, and put up a list of
Ahhhh, Hennie and Parkie again... hey, whatever name you want to
call me...
>stupid things I did as a teenage (driving around drunk was just one of
>them).
I'm sure that Jamieson did a lot of stupid things, not only in his
youth, but all his life... for instance, abandoning that car sure
was stupid.. but then driving a car that one would just abandon is
indicative of a whole lot of stupid.....
>He can masturbate to them or whatever it is he does.
maybe one of these days I'll give Jamieson a gift of a few more
misspellings for him to masturbate over....
Steve
Actually, I always treat my equals as equals... If you poor morons
could bring yourselves up to where you were my equals you could see
for yourself....
They need to be in a position where they can
>simultaneously bully and try to control, whilst loudly proclaiming
>their victimhood. Parkie's got that self destructive streak in
>himself, where he'll keep pushing and pushing until finally he pushes
>the wrong person and is destroyed. Part of him NEEDS that.
Oh, yeah, like any of you morons is going to destroy me...
>I suspect that that's why he works so hard to be disliked, and why he
>makes such idiotic errors. He needs people to laugh at him to justify
>his behavior.
Spelling flames is all you got, dummy, whereas I have really stupid
claims from all of you...
>>Again proving that "conservativism" is essentially banal and
>>devoid of any higher-ordered cognitive abilities, and will
>>fall into the dustbin of history..
>
>Conservatism is for people who won't think or can't think. It's what
>makes it so vile, because evil isn't the opposite of decency; it's the
>mere absense of it.
Like I'm supposed to be upset by insults thrown at me from a moron who
abandons his muffler dragging heap of a car alongside the highway?
Steve
I think Lochner's imagination has some barnacles... The only boat of
mine that's been for sale was a ketch, not a sloop.
You blowhard morons can't decide on my name yet you think you know
about my property...
Kurt Lochner
> >
> > Kurt Lochner replied to:
> >
> > > 3921 Dead wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Kurt Lochner wrote:
> > >> > There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, we've all got our lists of things he totally fucked up.
> > >
> > > Still, it's illustrative of a single point about right-wingers.
> > >
> > > They cannot effectively argue their political opinions in a
> > > fair and objective way, and resort to personal attacks more
> > > nearly resembling the epithets of a grade school bully than
> > > the counter-arguments of an adult..
> >
> >It's part of the conservative mindset. They can't treat with others
> >simultaneously bully and try to control, whilst loudly proclaiming
> >their victimhood. Parkie's got that self destructive streak in
> >himself, where he'll keep pushing and pushing until finally he pushes
> >the wrong person and is destroyed. Part of him NEEDS that.
>
>Oh, yeah, like any of you morons is going to destroy me...
Nope, we're going to let you succumb to your own self-destructive ways..
--Examples follow..
__________________________________________________________________
Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:11:30 GMT
news:<i4tp5v4c5ulhakvei...@4ax.com>
"I never made any claims I couldn't back up...."
--
Canyon <parkie...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:59:42 GMT
news:<rg6q5vgq29cerpocl...@4ax.com>
"I don't need to back anything up, you moron, cause unlike
yourself, my self image is not dependent on what others
think about me."
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
news:<jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
"I have no need to demonstrate what I know,[..]"
"MY self image is very secure...."
--
Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:08:28 GMT
news:<u3sp5vc0nhsdj4fbo...@4ax.com>
"[..] my ego isn't even slightly effected by what others
might think of me."
Kurt Lochner
[...]
Got any "magnetic capacitors" yet, crayon?
--*>LOL!<* Gads, but you're a pathetic right-wing moron..
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner replied:
> >
> > milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 11, 12:57 pm, 3921 Dead <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:50:10 -0600, Kurt Lochner replied:
> >
> > > > >milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > >> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the pathology exhibited by:
Yup, and it says a great deal more about "crayon" than he realizes..
--Right-wing sociopaths are like that, right up until they
self-destruct..
3921 Dead
<kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>"sieve" <semen...@tamponbay.rr.com> whimpered vociferously at:
>>
>> 3921 Dead said:
>> >
>> > Kurt Lochner replied to:
>> >
>> > > 3921 Dead wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Kurt Lochner wrote:
>_______>
>> > >> > There's a lot of things and events that Porky claims to know..
>> > >>
>> > >> Yeah, we've all got our lists of things he totally fucked up.
>> > >
>> > > Still, it's illustrative of a single point about right-wingers.
>> > >
>> > > They cannot effectively argue their political opinions in a
>> > > fair and objective way, and resort to personal attacks more
>> > > nearly resembling the epithets of a grade school bully than
>> > > the counter-arguments of an adult..
>> >
>> >It's part of the conservative mindset. They can't treat with others
>> >as equals. They need to be in a position where they can
>> >simultaneously bully and try to control, whilst loudly proclaiming
>> >their victimhood. Parkie's got that self destructive streak in
>> >himself, where he'll keep pushing and pushing until finally he pushes
>> >the wrong person and is destroyed. Part of him NEEDS that.
>>
>>Oh, yeah, like any of you morons is going to destroy me...
>
>Nope, we're going to let you succumb to your own self-destructive ways..
There's that passive/aggressive victimhood thing again. Notice how he
changed "he pushes the wrong person and is destroyed" into "you
morons...destroy me."
>
>--Examples follow..
>__________________________________________________________________
>
>Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:11:30 GMT
>news:<i4tp5v4c5ulhakvei...@4ax.com>
>
> "I never made any claims I couldn't back up...."
>--
>Canyon <parkie...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:59:42 GMT
>news:<rg6q5vgq29cerpocl...@4ax.com>
>
> "I don't need to back anything up, you moron, cause unlike
> yourself, my self image is not dependent on what others
> think about me."
>--
>Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
>news:<jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
>
> "I have no need to demonstrate what I know,[..]"
>
> "MY self image is very secure...."
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
3921 Dead wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:44:38 +0000, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
> <tributyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >milt....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> On Jan 11, 2:34 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
> >> <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > Steve wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:13:02 GMT, 3921 Dead
> >> > > <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
> >> >
> >> > > >[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> >> > > >consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
> >> >
> >> > > <LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
> >> >
> >> > > >pilots flew
> >> > > >by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
> >> > > >hit the right CITY.
> >> >
> >> > > That's total bullshit, of course.. by WWII, radio navigation had
> >> > > been around for a good twenty years.. I'm also willing to bet that
> >> > > Jamieson really has no idea what "dead reckoning" means...
> >> >
> >> > > The stupid clown should have gotten an education instead of driving
> >> > > around drunk...
> >> >
> >> > He doesn't know what "dead reckoning" means but he does know what "dead
> >> > drunk" means.
> >> >
> >> if you knew what "dead from the neck up" meant, you'd see your picture
> >> in the dictionary...
> >>
> >That's not a very friendly thing to say, Milt.
>
> That's all right, Bill. Nobody likes you very much.
>
I guess it's a cross I have to carry.
--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
milt....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Jan 11, 9:44 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
> <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 11, 2:34 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
> > > <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Steve wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:13:02 GMT, 3921 Dead
> > > > > <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Bush_US_should_have_bombed_Ausch...
> >
> > > > > >[Zeppnote: I wonder if this easily-manipulated clown stopped to
> > > > > >consider that in WW2, there were no reliable bombsights,
> >
> > > > > <LOL> Dumbass Jamieson never heard of the Norton bomb sight.
> >
> > > > > >pilots flew
> > > > > >by dead reckoning often as not, and they were doing good if the could
> > > > > >hit the right CITY.
> >
> > > > > That's total bullshit, of course.. by WWII, radio navigation had
> > > > > been around for a good twenty years.. I'm also willing to bet that
> > > > > Jamieson really has no idea what "dead reckoning" means...
> >
> > > > > The stupid clown should have gotten an education instead of driving
> > > > > around drunk...
> >
> > > > He doesn't know what "dead reckoning" means but he does know what "dead
> > > > drunk" means.
> >
> > > if you knew what "dead from the neck up" meant, you'd see your picture
> > > in the dictionary...
> >
> > That's not a very friendly thing to say,Milt.
> >
> I see... but the "drunk" comment was friendly?
>
It was in direct response to a comment by Zepp who claimed he liked to
drive drunk. Anyone who is proud of that should be told he knows about
"dead drunk".