Will Racial Politics Ever End?
Clay
By Star Parker
Monday, April 7, 2008
On April 4, 1968, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. walked out on a
motel balcony in Memphis, Tenn., and was felled by an assassin's
bullet.
It is a poignant and hurtful thing to recall. But, now, 40 years
later, circumstances provoke more than the usual reflection about this
man, his life and our country.
Given what King lived and died for, and given his milestone civil-
rights achievements in his short life, why are we still talking about
race in the United States in 2008?
Today, we have not just black millionaires but black billionaires,
black celebrities, black CEOs, accomplished black professionals in
every field. We have black governors, mayors and national and state
legislatures filled with black representatives.
Certainly in our large cities, interracial couples no longer get
stares.
Will electing a black man president finally bridge the racial divide?
The prospect hovers before us. Yet, rather than fading into the
background, the focus on race is getting more intense.
Can it be that, along with money and sex, talk about race will be with
us forever?
King asked the question in his "I Have a Dream" speech.
"There are those who are asking ... When will you be satisfied?" And
he answered, quoting the prophet Amos, not until "justice rolls down
like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."
I would assume that even the most rabid Barack Obama supporter
wouldn't claim an Obama administration would produce a mighty stream
of righteousness.
So will it ever end?
The civil-rights movement led by King was, of course, a Christian
movement. Its songs were spirituals. Its color and tangibility came
from biblical imagery. It recalled the Israelites enslaved in Egypt
and Moses demanding Pharoah to "let my people go."
And, in those fateful words that night before he was shot, King said
he'd gone "up to the mountain. ... And I've seen the Promised Land."
The Israelites wandered for 40 years. Soon after they left Egypt, it
was evident the generation of slaves was not ready to become a
generation capable of the responsibilities of freedom.
Although there probably is no word more frequently used in American
political discourse than "freedom," our popular sense of this word is
quite different from the principle in that biblical story of
liberation.
Receiving the law was the crucial stop between escaping Egyptian
servitude and entering the Promised Land. Freedom amounted to
exchanging external oppression for personal responsibility.
Like Moses, the great prophet and leader of the Israelites, King did
not make it into the land.
Perhaps the message is that even the greatest leader has his place. He
can lead in adversity, but he cannot live your life for you.
The Israelites' great sin, which condemned them to wander for 40
years, was to say, despite having all that they needed, "We're not
ready. We can't do it. The challenge is too great."
King led the movement that produced the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and
the Voting Rights Act of 1965, closing the door on legal
discrimination in this country. But more than 40 years later, we still
hear, "We're not ready. We can't do it."
Washington lobbyists and special interests are not to blame for single-
parent homes, drugs, promiscuity, abortion and sexually transmitted
diseases, high-school dropouts and the accompanying poverty. The
conditions reflect personal decisions and can only be addressed
through personal conviction and resolve.
The Israelites were warned about false prophets. In today's
terminology, I'd call this anyone, be it politician or clergyman, who
suggests that anyone but you can solve your own problems.
The greatest tribute any American, black or white, can pay to King is
to embrace the traditional values and truths critical to live the free
life that his work helped make possible.
By so doing, racial politics will finally end and righteousness will
flow "like a mighty stream."
========================
Star Parker is a regular commentator on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News as
well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects
Inner City Decay.
---------------
-C-
Amanda Williams
9fb9-c79...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> By Star Parker <=== rotfl...
> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
Another zero credibility, self-loathing "auntie thomasina"
The bitch should keep her mouth shut about MLK, he would have had nothing
but contempt for her and her avid sucking of whitey dick.
Her and "slappy" Thomas have a lot in common, they took everything the
state had to offer and then, when they made it, said "Fuck YOU ... I got
mine"
--
AW
<small but dangerous>
Steve
Apparently, the lowlife leftists like "Amanda" will not allow Racial
Politics to End..
Tom Sr.
> On 07 Apr 2008 11:11:24 GMT, Amanda Williams <p...@fu.com> wrote:
> >> Will Racial Politics Ever End?
> >> By Star Parker
> >> Monday, April 7, 2008
> >Another zero credibility, self-loathing "auntie thomasina"
> >state had to offer and then, when they made it, said "Fuck YOU ... I got
> >mine"
> Apparently, the lowlife leftists like "Amanda" will not allow Racial
> Politics to End..
The racist rightists must go first...
-----
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From: "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:29:41 -0400
Local: Sun, Apr 6 2008 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: Where do you think Obama got the $50 million in March?
"Tim Crowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 2:20 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> He got slapped down and called a nigger.
>> And it shut him right up!
> -
>snicker. there will never come the day when a no name racist
> scum will shut up a proud American like me. Funny, I've
> never been called a nigger to my face. 50 years and only been
> called that by "anonymous" idiots; why are all racists also
> cowards?
C'mon own here to South Florida and we'll GLADLY correct that 50-year
old
problem you have!
Bwahahahahahahahhaahhaha!!!
-----
...but you won't.
If racism does ever end, there will *no* longer be a need for "racial
politics".
But NOT until then.
The left is waiting for you to stop.
When will you?
-Tom Sr.
Tom Sr.
So which do *you* truly believe, Clay?
THIS:
On Apr 7, 6:37 am, Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [ Will Racial Politics Ever End? ]
> By Star Parker
> Monday, April 7, 2008
> On April 4, 1968, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. walked out on a
> motel balcony in Memphis, Tenn., and was felled by an assassin's
> bullet.
> It is a poignant and hurtful thing to recall. But, now, 40 years
> later, circumstances provoke more than the usual reflection about this
> man, his life and our country.
> Given what King lived and died for, and given his milestone civil-
> rights achievements in his short life, why are we still talking about
> race in the United States in 2008?
> ...
> Will electing a black man president finally bridge the racial divide?
> The prospect hovers before us. Yet, rather than fading into the
> background, the focus on race is getting more intense.
> Can it be that, along with money and sex, talk about race will be with
> us forever?
> King asked the question in his "I Have a Dream" speech.
> "There are those who are asking ... When will you be satisfied?" And
> he answered, quoting the prophet Amos, not until "justice rolls down
> like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."
> I would assume that even the most rabid Barack Obama supporter
> wouldn't claim an Obama administration would produce a mighty stream
> of righteousness.
> So will it ever end?
> The civil-rights movement led by King was, of course, a Christian
> movement. Its songs were spirituals. Its color and tangibility came
> from biblical imagery. It recalled the Israelites enslaved in Egypt
> and Moses demanding Pharoah to "let my people go."
> ...
> Perhaps the message is that even the greatest leader has his place. He
> can lead in adversity, but he cannot live your life for you.
> ...
> King led the movement that produced the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and
> the Voting Rights Act of 1965, closing the door on legal
> discrimination in this country. But more than 40 years later, we still
> hear, "We're not ready. We can't do it."
> ...
> Washington lobbyists and special interests are not to blame for single-
> parent homes, drugs, promiscuity, abortion and sexually transmitted
> diseases, high-school dropouts and the accompanying poverty. The
> conditions reflect personal decisions and can only be addressed
> through personal conviction and resolve.
> ...
> The greatest tribute any American, black or white, can pay to King is
> to embrace the traditional values and truths critical to live the free
> life that his work helped make possible.
> By so doing, racial politics will finally end and righteousness will
> flow "like a mighty stream."
>
> ========================
OR THIS?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/939018aa9a226c9b
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.society.conservatism,
alt.politics, alt.society.liberalism, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
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alt.politics.democrats.d
From: Clay <clayonl...@lycos.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:52:38 -0400
Local: Mon, Apr 7 2008 6:52 am
Subject: The Assassination Of King's Dream
---
By Harry R. Jackson, Jr.
Monday, April 7, 2008
In recent weeks, there has been a national debate about the
appropriateness of sermons preached by Dr. Jeremiah Wright from the
pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Two weeks ago
the controversy led Senator Barak Obama to deliver an important speech
on race in America.
Opinion leaders in the national media praised the speech as
courageous, but the notion that simply more talk is needed will no
longer suffice. While politicians like Barack Obama and the national
media wring their hands over a problem that has persisted in this
country for nearly 400 years, they offer no solutions to the problem.
The tragedy of this most recent revelation of America's racial divide
is that incendiary remarks by Rev. Wright were delivered in a church,
at the pulpit, by a pastor of a Christian church. If there is
something that can heal the racial wounds of America, it is the
Church. However, this latest incident underscores the lack of progress
and the urgent need for a deliberate and coordinated effort among
Christian pastors and prominent Christians to lead the nation in
racial reconciliation.
The failure of good Christian people to provide a clear and convincing
example of racial unity within the Church has contributed to the
divide between the races in the nation and it only appears to be
widening.
We must recognize that racism is not just a social problem in America;
it is also a spiritual problem. It is a matter of the heart. Healing
racism in the nation is, therefore a challenge facing our country that
must first be addressed in and by the Church. We believe that contrary
to what Americans have seen in the last few weeks, the Church can and
must help lead the nation toward reconciliation among the races.
This diagnosis of the nature of racism in the US is in keeping with
the clear teaching of scripture. Jesus prayed that His followers would
be united. He also said in John 17:21 that the world would believe His
mission and message because of the unity of His followers.
A racially reconciled church can eventually unite the nation.
Evangelical churches are especially prepared to seize this strategic
moment in American history because of their shared theology and value
system.
The basis of our action is an empowerment theology that is based upon
the scriptures. In contrast, liberation theology as preached by people
like Rev. Wright, if taken to extreme, can fan the flames of class
struggles and racial prejudice.
Many churches have already done a great deal to solve this problem,
but there will be dire consequences if the racial tensions of the
nation are not addressed. Just 16 years ago on April 29, 1992 a major
race riot sent shock waves from Los Angeles around the world. Seven
hundred million dollars of property damage, 13,212 arrests, 2,383
human injuries, and 54 deaths lay in the wake of an initial lower
court verdict concerning the beating of Rodney King by four LA
policemen.
We believe that repeat of that riot is possible today. The
protagonists may be black, white, or Hispanic but the danger of
unresolved race based anger deserves a national "intervention" by the
Church.
There is no time to waste.
It is time for America to see the Church as an unbiased representative
of Christ. We want to commemorate the life of Dr. Martin Luther King,
Jr. by announcing this Reconciliation Referendum on April 4, 2008- the
40th anniversary of the his assassination. Over 40 leading ministers -
20 whites and 20 blacks - have made a commitment to bring racial
reconciliation to our nation within the next decade. We collectively
make a commitment to take the following intentional and purposeful
steps to begin the healing:
1. Pray for racial healing and spiritual awakening in America.
2. Strategically evangelize across racial boundaries.
3. Conduct pulpit exchanges in our communities or regions which
congregations of different racial majorities.
4. Commemorate the contributions of Christian blacks, Hispanics and
other racial minorities to both the Church and the nation through
black history month and other dates of multi-racial and cultural
significance.
5. Develop cross-cultural leadership within our local ministries,
including spiritual and administrative positions.
6. Recognize that biblical justice is a part of our social mandate.
7. Develop trans-denominational approaches to address domestic
poverty.
What about practical solutions for non-churched people? In our book
Personal faith, Public Policy we give a visionary game plan for a
racially reconciled Church to serve the entire nation. As the Church
unifies, there are many specific public policy initiatives we can
introduce in order to create a greater atmosphere of biblical justice
in our land.
We are calling for all Bible believing Christians to accept this
Reconciliation Referendum and become proactive healing agents in this
nation. Chuck Colson, Richard Cizik, Steve Strang, Tony Perkins,
Bishop Wellington Boone, Tony Perkins, Marcus Lamb, Rick Joyner, Gary
Simons, and over 1,000 believers have signed onto this statement since
Friday. Please sign the Reconciliation Referendum at www.hilc.net
=============
Bishop Harry Jackson is chairman of the High Impact Leadership
Coalition and senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville,
MD, and co-authored, Personal Faith, Public Policy [FrontLine; March
2008] with Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.
----------
-C-
======
"Will Racial Politics Ever End?" when still "We must recognize that
racism is not just a social problem in America; it is also a spiritual
problem"?
Which do you truly believe, Clarence?
Both? Neither?
That Clay is a hypocrite?
-Tom Sr.
Kevin Cunningham
> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
> On April 4, 1968, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. walked out on a
> motel balcony in Memphis, Tenn., and was felled by an assassin's
> bullet.
>
(crap snipped for your reading pleasure)
>
> The greatest tribute any American, black or white, can pay to King is
> to embrace the traditional values and truths critical to live the free
> life that his work helped make possible.
>
> By so doing, racial politics will finally end and righteousness will
> flow "like a mighty stream."
>
Yeah, a black woman Star Whatever, is in favor of "traditional
values", a code word for segregation. How much did she get paid for
this?
Traditional values include beatings, lynchings, racism and
segregation. I hope that Starr got paid well for selling out her
blood.
HarryNadds
> On 07 Apr 2008 11:11:24 GMT, Amanda Williams <p...@fu.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >9fb9-c799d50cb...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> By Star Parker <=== rotfl...
> >> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
> >Another zero credibility, self-loathing "auntie thomasina"
>
> >The bitch should keep her mouth shut about MLK, he would have had nothing
> >but contempt for her and her avid sucking of whitey dick.
>
> >Her and "slappy" Thomas have a lot in common, they took everything the
> >state had to offer and then, when they made it, said "Fuck YOU ... I got
> >mine"
>
> Apparently, the lowlife leftists like "Amanda" will not allow Racial
>
> - Show quoted text -
The wheel that squeaks the loudest gets all the grease.
HarryNadds
Even many blacks (we can call them blacks now can't we or is it back
to being a Negra?) want segregated schools.If you'll look back you'll
see the decline of the public schools started about the same time they
were desegregated.The blacks want their cake and eat it too.They want
to hang on to their black "culture" but whenever a black kid gets good
grades,does'nt talk ebonics,shows respect for parents,teachers or
police they are ridiculed for acting "white".They want to shuck and
jive,act like thugs,wear their clothes like their favorite gangsta
rapper and devote every waking hour trying to impregnate every female
human that has ovaries then piss,moan and cry because they can't be
the CEO of a major corporation.It'll never change.
You can put a negro in the best clothes,he can live in the best
neighborhood,drive the best cars,have money in the bank but he's still
gonna act like a fucking nigger and if he does'nt he's called an Uncle
Tom or accused of selling out to whitey but some lazy assed spook.
John B.
> On 07 Apr 2008 11:11:24 GMT, Amanda Williams <p...@fu.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >9fb9-c799d50cb...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> By Star Parker <=== rotfl...
> >> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
> >Another zero credibility, self-loathing "auntie thomasina"
>
> >The bitch should keep her mouth shut about MLK, he would have had nothing
> >but contempt for her and her avid sucking of whitey dick.
>
> >Her and "slappy" Thomas have a lot in common, they took everything the
> >state had to offer and then, when they made it, said "Fuck YOU ... I got
> >mine"
>
> Apparently, the lowlife leftists like "Amanda" will not allow Racial
> Politics to End.
I expect racial politics will end when racism ends. Any idea when that
will be?
Clay
something else that was ignorant:
...
> So which do *you* truly believe, Clay?
>
> THIS:
>
> On Apr 7, 6:37 am, Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > [ Will Racial Politics Ever End? ]
> > By Star Parker
> > Monday, April 7, 2008
<article snip>
> > ========================
>
> OR THIS?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/939018aa9a226c9b
>
> Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.society.conservatism,
> alt.politics, alt.society.liberalism, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
> alt.politics.liberalism, alt.radio.talk, talk.politics.misc,
> alt.politics.democrats.d
> From: Clay <clayonl...@lycos.com>
> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:52:38 -0400
> Local: Mon, Apr 7 2008 6:52 am
> Subject: The Assassination Of King's Dream
> ---
>
> By Harry R. Jackson, Jr.
> Monday, April 7, 2008
<article snip>
> "Will Racial Politics Ever End?" when still "We must recognize that
> racism is not just a social problem in America; it is also a spiritual
> problem"?
>
> Which do you truly believe, Clarence?
>
> Both? Neither?
>
> That Clay is a hypocrite?
I certainly do not believe in calling Black folks, "Nigger", Dommy.
Didn't your mama raise you better than that?
B4 "the event"... is that how you raised YOUR son?
I took care of everything though, Dommy.
I did what your mama either couldn't or wouldn't do with you.
Say thank you, Clay.
Too fucking funny.
-C-
Clay
coming out:
...
You're a sickfuck, Kevin. You're dumb as ever, but your logic (as if
you ever had this) is quickly eroding.
Seek help immediately !!!
-C-
Clay
...
> On 07 Apr 2008 11:11:24 GMT, Special Ed Soviet Amy wrote:
>
> >Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> allegedly said in news:76c65d01-ca81-4633-
> >9fb9-c799d50cb...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> By Star Parker <=== rotfl...
> >> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
> >Another zero credibility, self-loathing "auntie thomasina"
>
> >The bitch should keep her mouth shut about MLK, he would have had nothing
> >but contempt for her and her avid sucking of whitey dick.
>
> >Her and "slappy" Thomas have a lot in common, they took everything the
> >state had to offer and then, when they made it, said "Fuck YOU ... I got
> >mine"
>
> Apparently, the lowlife leftists like "Amanda" will not allow Racial
> Politics to End.
Soviet Amy looks in the mirror and sees "ugly".
She then tries to project that "ugliness" onto the world.
Mandy is a sick leftist who should desperately seek help.
Too fucking sad.
-C-
pyjamarama
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 03:37:24 -0700 (PDT), Clay
>
> <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Given what King lived and died for, and given his milestone civil-
> >rights achievements in his short life, why are we still talking about
> >race in the United States in 2008?
>
More racist swill from Gary "Nick@Click" Roselles (Source: Google
Archives):
Gary "Nick" Roselles on blacks (Source: Google Archives):
On 18 Feb 2007 14:05:28 -0700 Gary Roselles <C...@Knicklas.com> "Then
why was you mother stupid enough to fuck all them black guys?"
On 30 Oct 2006 11:13:21 -0800, Gary Roselles <C...@Knicklas.com>wrote:
"brown niggers need to be taken out"
On 23 Aug 2006 04:29:00 -0700, Gary Roselles <C...@KNICKLAS.COM>
wrote: "What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (distinguished
black scholar) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never having worked a
day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?"
On 24 Apr 2001 17:43:01 GMT Gary Roselles <rosel...@idt.net> wrote (in
reply to an Op-Ed by African-American Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson): 'Say
"yes Massa", Uncle Tom.'
On Jun 6, 09:33:41, C...@Knicklas.com wrote of distinguished African-
American scholars Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams: "Both are
traitors to their race"
On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:27:54 GMT, Gary Roselles
<rosel...@idt.net>wrote: "Bush's Uncle tom Cabinet is good first step
for GOP"
On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:27:54 GMT, Gary Roselles <rosel...@idt.net>
wrote:"You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking
people is going to gain anything with real minorities?"
On 2 Jul 2005 10:43:03 -0800, Gary Roselles <C...@Knicklas.com> wrote:
"because of their rap speech"
On 18 Dec 2000 20:26:48 GMT Gary Roselles <rosel...@idt.net> wrote (of
Colin Powell): "It's apparant[sic] he's being an uncle tom to appease
voters."
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:43:37 GMT Gary Roselles <rosel...@rapidnet.com>
wrote (of Michael Steele): "GOP Poised to Pick Uncle Tom in MD"
On 30 Jun 2005 8:51:19 -0800, Gary Roselles <C...@Knicklas.com> wrote:
"They talk in black english"
MFOgilvie
> On Apr 7, 7:15 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:> On 07 Apr 2008 11:11:24 GMT, Amanda Williams <p...@fu.com> wrote:
> > >Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Will Racial Politics Ever End?
> > >> By Star Parker
> > >> Monday, April 7, 2008
> > -
> > >Another zero credibility, self-loathing "auntie thomasina"
> > >Her and "slappy" Thomas have a lot in common, they took everything the
> > >state had to offer and then, when they made it, said "Fuck YOU ... I got
> > >mine"
> > -
> > Apparently, the lowlife leftists like "Amanda" will not allow Racial
> > Politics to End..
>
> -
>
> The racist rightists must go first...
No such thing, sunshine.
George Grapman
Tom Sr.
> On Apr 7, 8:02 am, "Tom Sr." wrote:
> > So which do *you* truly believe, Clay?
> > THIS:
> > On Apr 7, 6:37 am, Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > [ Will Racial Politics Ever End? ]
> > > By Star Parker
> > > Monday, April 7, 2008
> <article snip>
> > > ========================
> > OR THIS?
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/939018aa9a226c9b
> > Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:52:38 -0400
> > Local: Mon, Apr 7 2008 6:52 am
> > Subject: The Assassination Of King's Dream
> > ---
> > By Harry R. Jackson, Jr.
> > Monday, April 7, 2008
> <article snip>
> -
> > "Will Racial Politics Ever End?" when still "We must recognize that
> > racism is not just a social problem in America; it is also a spiritual
> > problem"?
> > Which do you truly believe, Clarence?
> > Both? Neither?
> > That Clay is a hypocrite?
> I certainly do not believe in calling Black folks, "Nigger"....
Neither do I. In fact I live in a predominately Black neighborhood in
a perdiominately Black part of my city. I'm white.
Did I say you did? Did I even imply this?
No.
You posted an article "Will Racial Politics Ever End?" which blamed
liberals and progresses for keeping such politics going.
I replied the real reason such politics continue because of the
existence of such ugly and vile racism, especially by those of YOUR
side of the political spectrum.
I quoted to you one of your neo-conservative fantatics who was, is,
and continues to be a blatant racist against everyone who is not a
White, Christian, American.
I know for a fact you know of Patriot Games, the man who has posted
for nearly 2 years now that all Blacks are "niggers",
You, Clay, have posted a number of times in support of his political
postitons. Yet when I have challenged you to criticize his hateful
racist statements, you have repeated failed NOT to do so.
It is *because* such bigots as Games -- and *because* such people as
you, Clarence, fail to speak up against him -- that "racial politics"
continues to exist! Since you are a black man, Clay, I thought this
would be quite obvious to you. However I continue to find out your
are always more clueless and cowardly that I previous thought.
> Didn't your mama raise you better than that?
I called no one the N-word, Clarence. It was one of your
ultraconservative Christian Republicans I *quoted* who did. The same
type of person who has almost the same identical politics as YOU do,
Clay.
> B4 "the event"... is that how you raised YOUR son?
Clarence, Clarence, tsk-tsk. It seems you are somewhat illiterate and
clueless. Have you NEVER bothered to read my Google Groups profile?
> I took care of everything though....
You did nothing, Clarence, except avoid the issue of your hyprocicy
once again.
You posted to opinion articles that *directly* contradicted each other
position. I quoted both of those articles in my post and ask WHICH
ONE you believed.
For you to believe both is for you to be a hypocrite, since they are
totally oppose postitons from each other.
I asked you which one YOU believed, Clarence.
** You did not answer. **
> I did what your mama either couldn't or wouldn't do with you.
My mom and dad raised a son who has a 133 I.Q, a B.A. in philosophy,
has worked 20+ years in a library, founded several literary groups and
conventions, been professional published, and has made national and
international news in the matter of equality for all people and of
civil rights.
> Say thank you, Clay.
When you actually *answer* my question to you, Clarence, of which of
the *two* opposite and conflicted opinions you posted you actually
*believe*, then I will have a reason to thank you for answering that
question.
> Too fucking funny.
You remain your own worst enemy, Clarence. I don't find that funny at
all; I think it very sad for you.
Now will you either actually answer my question, or will just respond
-- *again* -- with your typical juvenile attempts at being too fucking
funny, Clay? I suspect the latter, since you continually avoid
telling the truth or prove yourself yet once more to be a hypocrite.
The choice is yours.
-Tom Sr.
P.S. Clay, here is something important for you to know and you should
try to understand. You are *not* funny. When you try to be, you make
yourself look a fool.
As I just said, you are your own worst enemy.
You just don't understand that, Clarence, do you?
MFOgilvie
> The Republican Black Congressional Caucus will be addressing this topic.
Since the RNC is all-inclusive, there is no need for a black caucus
within the party. Unlike the DNC, we don't practice separatism.
MFOgilvie
Black liberals found out a long time ago that along with their
government-imposed "victim status" comes a helluva lot of political
power, and they will not give that up.
George Grapman
http://africanamerican.gop.com/GroupPage.aspx?
African American
Welcome back to the African American Group!
Help President Bush and Republicans in Congress achieve their goals for
the African American community. Take action to make this ambitious
agenda a reality today!
http://hispanics.gop.com/GroupPage.aspx?
Hispanics
Welcome back to the Hispanic Group!
As a Hispanic American, you are a crucial component of the Republican
Party. Help Republicans advance initiatives to benefit Hispanic
Americans by taking action today.
http://catholics.gop.com/GroupPage.aspx?
Catholics
Welcome back to the Catholic Group!
Catholics have a critical interest in the direction of our nation and
you can begin active involvement in matters of life and faith by taking
action today.
MFOgilvie
What part of "all-inclusive" went over your head, dumbass? As I said,
unlike the DNC, we don't practice separatism.
Tom Sr.
> No such thing, sunshine.
Then *why* did you remove the following from my post, which quoted a
racist rightist, "Patriot Games", who post multiple messages everyday
to alt.politics and also frequently to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh? And
that quote proved you are wrong or a liar.
Are you *afraid* of the truth, Mr. Ogilvie?
=======
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/d72601c049cf451e
Newsgroups: alt.impeach.bush, alt.politics.republicans,
alt.politics.usa, alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.politics
From: "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:29:41 -0400
Local: Sun, Apr 6 2008 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: Where do you think Obama got the $50 million in March?
"Tim Crowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 2:20 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> He got slapped down and called a nigger.
>> And it shut him right up!
> -
> snicker. there will never come the day when a no name racist
> scum will shut up a proud American like me. Funny, I've
> never been called a nigger to my face. 50 years and only been
> called that by "anonymous" idiots; why are all racists also
> cowards?
C'mon own here to South Florida and we'll GLADLY correct that 50-year
old problem you have!
Bwahahahahahahahhaahhaha!!!
-----
=========
Want even more proof, Mr. Ogilvie?
Here are some of "Patriot Games" very own subject headings:
* Buckwheat's Nigger Terrorist Group, United Church of Christ, to
Begin Nationwide Verbal Attacks on America
* How are a Beaner and a cue ball alike?
* ACLU Supports Scuzzy Muzzy Prison Niggers Against Wyoming and
America
* Buckwheat Sez McAmnesty NOT a 'Warmonger'
* Don't throw rocks at a Beaner on a bike, why?
* How do you blindfold a Chink?
* Buckwheat Throws Granny Under the Bus!
* 55% of Scuzzy Muzzy Goat-Fucking Sandnigger Arabs Don't Like Me!
* Chink gook commies not satisfied with Walmart return
* Buckwheat Wimpy and Indecisive on Chink Olympics
...AND...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/browse_thread/thread/b4be...
* Cops Confirm Nigger 'Club' Fight in Case of NFL Nigger Shot by
Niggers
-----
Games *IS* one of yours, an ultraconservative, Republican right-
winger. There is the *proof*.
"Racist rightists"? There are such things, sunshine. A great many of
them, Mr. Ogilvie.
-Tom Sr.
P.S. Yet Clay, who has publicly agreed with Patriot Games in the past,
has also *never* challeged Games' open racism.
Why is that, I wonder? Is Clay afraid of the truth? Is Clay a
coward? Is he not man enough to stand-up against public and hate-
filled racism against Blacks and other non-white people, especially
since Games is a person he shares a great many similar political
beliefs with.
Why?
I expect no honest answer, ever, from Clay.
Clay
*snicker*:
...
You, Dommy, are a fucking liar !!!
This was an ad hominen, unprovoked racial slur.
> In fact I live in a predominately Black neighborhood in
> a perdiominately Black part of my city. I'm white.
Yeah, stupid... "... some of my best friends are Black."
You sound like a moron, Dommy... indeed, YOU ARE an idiot, Dommy.
> I quoted to you one of your neo-conservative fantatics who was, is,
> and continues to be a blatant racist against everyone who is not a
> White, Christian, American.
You, my stupid, idiot USENET moron... did not quote ANYTHING. You
called me a "nigger"... point blank and period.
These are YOUR WORDS, you racist fool:
---------------------------------------
"Do you know Clay (i.e. "Clarence") is a 'nigger', Games?"
"Though to be accurate, Clay is half-'nigger' "
---------------------------------------
The fact is that "Patriot Games" never called me a "nigger"; YOU
called me a "nigger", Dommy. And this slur will last forever in
USENET... in your nick.
This was something from a mentally diseased piece of shit b/c in the
thread, I posted an article and PG replied with two words, "Excellent
Article". It was you who injected a racial slur into something that
was far from racial.
You're a sickfuck, Dommy. And you're more than pissed off that I
kicked your sorry ass all over USENET.
Well, that's too fucking bad, retard.
Both your mother and your son would be very ashamed of you today,
Dommy.
Shame !!!
-C-
MFOgilvie
> On Apr 7, 11:54 am, MFOgilvie <mattogilvi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 7, 7:37 am, "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 7, 7:15 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:> On 07 Apr 2008 11:11:24 GMT, Amanda Williams <p...@fu.com> wrote:
> > > > >Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Will Racial Politics Ever End?
> > > > >> By Star Parker
> > > > >> Monday, April 7, 2008
> > > > -
> > > > >Another zero credibility, self-loathing "auntie thomasina"
> > > > >Her and "slappy" Thomas have a lot in common, they took everything the
> > > > >state had to offer and then, when they made it, said "Fuck YOU ... I got
> > > > >mine"
> > > > -
> > > > Apparently, the lowlife leftists like "Amanda" will not allow Racial
> > > > Politics to End..
> > > -
> > > The racist rightists must go first...
> > -
> > No such thing, sunshine.
>
> Then *why* did you remove the following from my post, which quoted a
> racist rightist, "Patriot Games", who post multiple messages everyday
> to alt.politics and also frequently to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh? And
> that quote proved you are wrong or a liar.
Oh wow, one person. That was a real toughie, wasn't it?
>
> Are you *afraid* of the truth, Mr. Ogilvie?
The truth is always on my side, since I'm a black conservative.
>
> =======http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/d72601c049cf451e
>
> Newsgroups: alt.impeach.bush, alt.politics.republicans,
> alt.politics.usa, alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.politics
> From: "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com>
> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:29:41 -0400
> Local: Sun, Apr 6 2008 5:29 pm
> Subject: Re: Where do you think Obama got the $50 million in March?
>
> "Tim Crowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Apr 5, 2:20 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>
> >> He got slapped down and called a nigger.
> >> And it shut him right up!
> > -
> > snicker. there will never come the day when a no name racist
> > scum will shut up a proud American like me. Funny, I've
> > never been called a nigger to my face. 50 years and only been
> > called that by "anonymous" idiots; why are all racists also
> > cowards?
>
> C'mon own here to South Florida and we'll GLADLY correct that 50-year
> old problem you have!
>
> Bwahahahahahahahhaahhaha!!!
> -----
> =========
>
> Want even more proof, Mr. Ogilvie?
I'm waiting for the first bit.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&scoring=d&filter=0&enc_a...
>
> Here are some of "Patriot Games" very own subject headings:
>
> * Buckwheat's Nigger Terrorist Group, United Church of Christ, to
> Begin Nationwide Verbal Attacks on America
>
> * How are a Beaner and a cue ball alike?
>
> * ACLU Supports Scuzzy Muzzy Prison Niggers Against Wyoming and
> America
>
> * Buckwheat Sez McAmnesty NOT a 'Warmonger'
>
> * Don't throw rocks at a Beaner on a bike, why?
>
> * How do you blindfold a Chink?
>
> * Buckwheat Throws Granny Under the Bus!
>
> * 55% of Scuzzy Muzzy Goat-Fucking Sandnigger Arabs Don't Like Me!
>
> * Chink gook commies not satisfied with Walmart return
>
> * Buckwheat Wimpy and Indecisive on Chink Olympics
>
> ...AND...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/browse_thread/thread/b4be...
>
> * Cops Confirm Nigger 'Club' Fight in Case of NFL Nigger Shot by
> Niggers
>
> -----
> Games *IS* one of yours, an ultraconservative, Republican right-
> winger. There is the *proof*.
>
> "Racist rightists"? There are such things, sunshine. A great many of
> them, Mr. Ogilvie.
No there isn't.
>
> -Tom Sr.
>
> P.S. Yet Clay, who has publicly agreed with Patriot Games in the past,
> has also *never* challeged Games' open racism.
>
> Why is that, I wonder? Is Clay afraid of the truth? Is Clay a
> coward? Is he not man enough to stand-up against public and hate-
> filled racism against Blacks and other non-white people, especially
> since Games is a person he shares a great many similar political
> beliefs with.
>
> Why?
>
> I expect no honest answer, ever, from Clay.- Hide quoted text -
Tom Sr.
> On Apr 7, 12:13 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> > MFOgilvie wrote:
> > > On Apr 7, 11:59 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> > >> The Republican Black Congressional Caucus will be
> > >> addressing this topic.
> > > Since the RNC is all-inclusive, there is no need for a black caucus
> > > within the party. Unlike the DNC, we don't practice separatism.
> >http://africanamerican.gop.com/GroupPage.aspx?
> > African American
> > Welcome back to the African American Group!
> > Help President Bush and Republicans in Congress achieve their goals for
> > the African American community. Take action to make this ambitious
> > agenda a reality today!
> >http://hispanics.gop.com/GroupPage.aspx?
> > Hispanics
> > Welcome back to the Hispanic Group!
> > As a Hispanic American, you are a crucial component of the Republican
> > Party. Help Republicans advance initiatives to benefit Hispanic
> > Americans by taking action today.
> >http://catholics.gop.com/GroupPage.aspx?
> > Catholics
> > Welcome back to the Catholic Group!
> > Catholics have a critical interest in the direction of our nation and
> > you can begin active involvement in matters of life and faith by taking
> > action today.
> What part of "all-inclusive" went over your head, dumbass? As I said,
> unlike the DNC, we don't practice separatism.
Can't you read, Mr. Ogilvie? Are you sub-literate?
He just proved you completely wrong, dumbass! This went whizzing over
your G.O.P. head.
You also just proved yourself a liar, Mr. Ogilvie.
-Tom Sr.
Clay
...
But Dommy is trying to start up his own club, The Racist Leftists Of
Connecticut".
-----------
Dommy calls Clay a "nigger".
------------
Dommy calls EVERYONE a "nigger".
The moron is just plain sick.
-C-
timeOday
rates is important, even if you think the reasons/excuses for these
things no longer hold water. Society will not be freed from these
problems without public policy changes. Merely shouting at poor people
"stop doing dumb things!" has failed, why do you expect it to start
working now? Getting them invested in society will pay off in spades,
regardless of whether they "deserve" it.
Tom Sr.
> On Apr 7, 1:02 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 7, 11:54 am, MFOgilvie <mattogilvi...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 7, 7:37 am, "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The racist rightists must go first...
> > > -
> > > No such thing, sunshine.
> > Then *why* did you remove the following from my post, which quoted a
> > racist rightist, "Patriot Games", who post multiple messages everyday
> > to alt.politics and also frequently to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh? And
> > that quote proved you are wrong or a liar.
> Oh wow, one person. That was a real toughie, wasn't it?
You said there were NONE, Mr. Ogilive. All I needed was to present
one to prove your a liar -- and I did this.
You want more? Here:
* Rightwinghank:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=z62ZSxkAAAA3dQjs3hxUcYwFw_tqSzxTbadRkHY8izvoWSZmz-9hFg
* AnAmericanCitizen:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=fSOFzRcAAABEGTfshWULaDjqtFTS0jN54Ua0QqlRnvDj9zBA-m7X2Q
* the_blogologist:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=Jn5GeRMAAAAMWMELmBSlKIB0g5p447o9WMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww
* theloneranger100
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=1BH_KBgAAAAeMP8vRWlKXyLbWuThz2HDike0kYweLQsD8yTXwirYCg
* Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=FTgCgBMAAAC6J9IKliiWUTzUx9LuunAoWMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww
* Liberalism is a Mental Disorder
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=-rwX5BsAAAB9pXhzVMp8Zu6eSwMm_vd48l2095U7x_XW7JMZJ7DBvA
[ He keeps saying I'm a "commie"; he's wrong. ]
* Eddie Haskell
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=SOrwjxEAAACFAlsqOmX_XfbQqpIOw53bkdEasx1kiYTQavV7mdW13Q
Along with Patriot Games, that is ten.
Also note most, if not all of these individuals have posted in
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.
If you need more, I suggest you truly *look* around you.
I've provided enough proof to show you are a liar.
> > Are you *afraid* of the truth, Mr. Ogilvie?
> -
> The truth is always on my side, since I'm a black conservative.
You are totally ignore of the blantant racism on the political right?
Yet when you are publicly presented with the truth, you openly lie
about it. That "truth", Mr. Ogilive?!
There is no point in trying to open a mind that is determined to
remain closed.
-Tom Sr.
Bret Cahill
> On 07 Apr 2008 11:11:24 GMT, Amanda Williams <p...@fu.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >9fb9-c799d50cb...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> By Star Parker <=== rotfl...
> >> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
>
> >but contempt for her and her avid sucking of whitey dick.
>
> >state had to offer and then, when they made it, said "Fuck YOU ... I got
> >mine"
>
> Politics to End..
Denying racism in the GOP is about as "progressive" as denying the
Holocaust.
The whole point of the jingoist corp. media ("9/11 changed
everything"/"Obama you are so beautiful") hyping a black guy was to
win back the bigots mad at "McAmnesty" so that the U. S. would stay in
Iraq another 8 years.
The jingoistic corp. media ("9/11 changed everything"/"Obama you are
so beautiful") know full well GOP bigots will swallow their hatred of
Mexicans and craw over ground glass to vote against a black man.
Bret Cahill
Tom Sr.
> On Apr 7, 12:07 pm, "Tom Sr." wrote:
> > On Apr 7, 11:01 am, Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 7, 8:02 am, "Tom Sr." wrote:
> > > > So which do *you* truly believe, Clay?
> > > > THIS:
> > > > On Apr 7, 6:37 am, Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > [ Will Racial Politics Ever End? ]
> > > > > By Star Parker
> > > > > Monday, April 7, 2008
> > > <article snip>
> > > > > ========================
> > > > OR THIS?
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/939018aa9a226c9b
> > > > From: Clay <clayonl...@lycos.com>
> > > > Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:52:38 -0400
> > > > Local: Mon, Apr 7 2008 6:52 am
> > > > Subject: The Assassination Of King's Dream
> > > > ---
> > > > By Harry R. Jackson, Jr.
> > > > Monday, April 7, 2008
> > > <article snip>
> > > -
> > > > racism is not just a social problem in America; it is also a spiritual
> > > > problem"?
> > > > Which do you truly believe, Clarence?
> > > > Both? Neither?
> > > > That Clay is a hypocrite?
> > > -
> > > I certainly do not believe in calling Black folks, "Nigger"....
Yet you have done nothing to confront Patriot Games use of it, have
you, Clay.
> -
> > Neither do I.
> -
> You...are a fucking liar !!!
> <http://tinyurl.com/32ctzv>
> This was an ad hominen, unprovoked racial slur.
My purpose in informing you indirectly that Patriot Games is a racist
bigot Republican who calls all Black people "niggers" is somehow *my*
using "an ad hominen, unprokened racial slur"?
Patriot Games does not even READ my posts, Clay! He cannot. I was
the first person he *ever* killfiled. And then he even killfiled me a
*second* time. I was very honored by that. To be killfiled by such a
xenophobic, bitter, hate-filled person shows he cannot deal with the
truth when confronted by it.
My post was for all the other people in that subject thread to read,
Clay, including you. You did read it, didn't you? You totally failed
to understand it, didn't you?
Well, that is obvious. Should I apologize to you that I thought you
were smarter than you actually are?
Your "logic" is twisted into meaninglessness, Clarence. It is beyond
sense.
> > In fact I live in a predominately Black neighborhood in
> > a perdiominately Black part of my city. I'm white.
> -
> Yeah, stupid... "... some of my best friends are Black."
No, Clay. I have many friends, and they are asian, black, white,
hispanic, old, young, gay, straight, bi, Catholic, Jewish, Christian,
Muslim, and are different in many ways from each other. You see,
Clarence, I like *people*.
> You sound like a moron... indeed, YOU ARE an idiot....
*sigh*
It seems I must repeat myself *yet * again* with you, Clay, since you
never seem to read or never understand what I write:
"My mom and dad raised a son who has a 133 I.Q, a B.A. in
philosophy, has worked 20+ years in a library, founded several
literary groups and conventions, been professional published, and has
made national and international news in the matter of equality for all
people and of civil rights."
> > I quoted to you one of your neo-conservative fantatics who was, is,
> > and continues to be a blatant racist against everyone who is not a
> > White, Christian, American.
> -
> You, my stupid, idiot USENET moron... did not quote ANYTHING. You
> called me a "nigger"... point blank and period.
Quotation marks, Clarence. Learn what they mean in the context I
wrote my post.
However since you won't do so, let me explain this usage to you. My
using "nigger" in quotation marks means the word was *not* mine -- as
I said, it is not a term I use -- but rather it was the word *Patriot
Games uses*.
> These are YOUR WORDS, you racist fool:
> ---------------------------------------
> "Do you know Clay (i.e. "Clarence") is a 'nigger', Games?"
> "Though to be accurate, Clay is half-'nigger' "
> ---------------------------------------
No, Clay, those were and are **Patriot Games' choice of words**. This
is a fact you will not admit, because you lack the courage to confront
Games publicly on his vile racism and vicious hatred of Black people
-- or as Games continuously refers to such people -- "niggers".
Instead you attack someone who is not a racist and who continually
tries his very best to make damn sure he never becomes a racist.
Again and again and again -- you are your own worst enemy, Clay.
And again and again and again -- you don't understand that do you,
Clay.
> ---------------------------------------
> The fact is that "Patriot Games" never called me a "nigger"; YOU
> called me a "nigger"...
Did you note the " " -- the quotation marks? It seems you need to
learn more about punctuation and grammar to understand that I did not
call you a "nigger", Clay. I used in my post to Patriot Games the
very word Games' himself uses: "nigger". I was quoting his constant
use of this word.
> And this slur will last forever in
> USENET... in your nick.
There was no slur, Clay. None. I am sorry you lack the understand of
written English to realize that.
> This was something from a mentally diseased piece of shit b/c in the
> thread, I posted an article and PG replied with two words, "Excellent
> Article". It was you who injected a racial slur into something that
> was far from racial.
I posted the fact that the Patriot Games who you publicly agreed with,
and more than *once*, Clay, was a blantant, hate-full, vicious racist.
You, Clarence, who support his opinion them REFUSE to confront him on
his racism.
Regrettably I do understand you now, Clay. It is perfectly find for a
right-wing racist to call everyone else a "nigger" -- as long as he
does not call *you* a "nigger".
You are an enabler. You are a coward. You are an Uncle Tom -- and if
you belied that term is racist, I must disagree with you. It
describes a way of thinking and a pattern of behavior that can be
applied to any race and any group that has ever been enslaved.
You might want to read THE NATURE OF PREJUDICE by Gordon
How typical you are of the self-centered, selfish Republican
mentality. I am honestly deeply disappointed in you as a person,
Clarence, and in your personal ethics.
You don't understand that, do you?
> You're a sickfuck...
You, Clarence, are a childish, immature, cowardly Black man who
resorts to juvenile name-calling and who openly supports neo-
conservative racists while they fucking call you and all Black people
"niggers" and also insult countless other people of different races
and nationalities.
> And you're more than pissed off that I
> kicked your sorry ass all over USENET.
How so, Clarence? By NEVER honestly and publicly answering my
questions And which, once again, you STILL have failed to do so in
this subject threat.
Ha ha. You may stupidity believe you've "kicked my sorry ass", but
you are very likely the only one to believe that.
The vast majority of people who post in reply to you know you as the
stupid, hypocritical fool you are.
> Well, that's too fucking bad, retard.
It is your loss, Clay. Not mine. You don't understand that, do you?
> Both your mother and your son would be very ashamed of you today...
My mother is 94 years old and is very proud of me and all the good I
have done for other people and the world.
As for "my son", read my Google Groups profile, you fool. How many
times must I tell you this, Clay?
> Shame !!!
Hypocritical coward.
It's back to my ignoring you again, Clay. I won't killfile you. I
don't killfile anyone in the political groups. I much prefer to
*ignore* someone.
When I see your name, Clay, in the newsgroups, it reminds me there are
some people who are just fools who are their own worst enemy.
And oh, by the way:
YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION, CLAY, YOU HYPOCRITICAL COWARD! Again.
Have A *Nice* Day!
-Tom Sr.
HarryNadds
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 03:37:24 -0700 (PDT), Clay
>
> <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >rights achievements in his short life, why are we still talking about
> >race in the United States in 2008?
>
>
You bet.A cracker is definitely not welcome in the "hood".
> More unsavory hiring practices at businesses
>
Yeah,too many blacks hired just to fill racial quotas.
> More refused loans
>
You mean too many "loans" to brain dead,lazy blacks that could'nt
(would'nt) pay them back.Hence the high foreclosure rate now.
> More gated communities
>
For people that don't want to live in a ghetto,barrio or chinatown.
> More "nooses" used for fun.
Usually put there by blacks looking for their 10 minutes of fame.
George Grapman
Then why are there separate Republican groups for Blacks,Hispanics and
Catholics?
Spartakus
your belly-aching."
Shorter Conservative Response: "See? A black person said there's
nothing for black people to complain about. So shut up, already."
Steve
Some folks are gonna whine and whine and whine some more until
somebody gives 'em everything they want for free..... and since
that isn't going to happen..........
George Grapman
Republican mis the irony that of the three most prominent Black
Republicans:
Condaleeza Rice- Admits affirmative action aided her career at Stanford.
Colin Powell-Supports affirmative action.
Clarence Thomas-Benefited from affirmative action.
And there is Ward Connerly who now opposes the program but listed his
firm a minority owned to gain government contracts.
Israel Did 9/11
as otehr things that would have excluded him from the running if he
was white. but the only reason he is in their in the first place is
because of his color.
The Utter Normality Of Ethnonationalism--Except For Whites
By Kevin MacDonald
http://www.vdare.com/macdonald/080327_muller.htm
Jerry Z. Muller's Foreign Affairs article, Us and Them: The Enduring
Power of Ethnic Nationalism (March/April, 2008), is a grim and timely
reminder of the power of ethnicity in human affairs. It has explosive
implications for the future of the United States and the West.
Muller demonstrates that, over the last 150 years or so, the general
trend in Europe and elsewhere has been has been toward the creation of
ethnically-based states--"ethnostates". This trend did not end with the
close of World War II. In Europe, the war was followed by a forced
resettlement of peoples--mainly Germans--to create ethnically
homogeneous states. Indeed, the high point of ethnic homogenization in
Europe was in the two generations in the immediate aftermath of World
War II.
Muller writes:
"As a result of this massive process of ethnic unmixing, the
ethnonationalist ideal was largely realized: for the most part, each
nation in Europe had its own state, and each state was made up almost
exclusively of a single ethnic nationality. During the Cold War, the
few exceptions to this rule included Czechoslovakia, the Soviet Union,
and Yugoslavia. But these countries' subsequent fate only demonstrated
the ongoing vitality of ethnonationalism."
This point is crucial. While the recent spreading of the European
Union imperium has given rise to a great deal of "post-nation"
rhetoric, it has in fact been accompanied by an astonishing
multiplication of ethnostates, split out of Yugoslavia and the former
USSR -- not to mention, of course, the Czech/Slovak division
Ethnic conflict is apparent as well throughout the developing world,
and will likely lead to more partitioning and nation-creation. As
Muller notes: "In areas where that separation has not yet occurred,
politics is apt to remain ugly".
But a huge anomaly has arisen. Recently, Western societies have
embarked on a public policy project in which the ethno nationalism of
white people is officially proscribed as an unadulterated evil.
Multiculturalism only is encouraged and viewed as morally superior. As
Muller notes: "Americans ... find ethnonationalism discomfiting both
intellectually and morally".
As a social scientist who takes the biological component of ethnicity
seriously (although I readily agree that there is a cultural component
as well), I can speak from personal experience about the hostility and
moral disdain one faces from other academic social scientists when one
points to these unfashionable facts.
Although World War II marked the defeat of the ethnonationalist
National Socialist movement, Muller is clearly correct that it
resulted in a Europe that was more accurately divided into ethnostates
than ever. But World War II also saw the triumph of the political and
cultural Left. These two cultural facts have been at odds ever since.
German National Socialists remain the bogeyman of the political and
cultural Left to this day. The Left is utterly dedicated to
eradicating any vestiges of European ethnonationalism. Opponents of
immigration are routinely labeled "racists" or "Nazis" for advocating
policies that are, in fact, the norm in the rest of the world. Thus
Israel favors Jewish immigrants, Spain favors people from its former
Latin American Empire, India its "Non-Resident Indians" (NRIs), China
favors the Overseas Chinese.
As Muller notes: "In a global context, it is the [Western] insistence
on universalist criteria [for immigration] that seems provincial."
And, Muller points out, the anomaly whereby Western nations have
sought to turn their backs on ethnic homogeneity is quite modern:
"The ethnonationalist view has traditionally dominated through much of
Europe and has held its own even in the United States until recently.
For substantial stretches of U.S. history, it was believed that only
the people of English origin, or those who were Protestant, or white,
or hailed from northern Europe were real Americans. It was only in
1965 that the reform of U.S. immigration law abolished the system of
national-origin quotas that had been in place for several decades.
This system had excluded Asians entirely and radically restricted
immigration from southern and eastern Europe."
In attempting to account for this trend in opposition to
ethnonationalism in Western societies, my own writing has emphasized
the triumph of the Left and particularly the role of some Jewish
intellectual and political movements and certain elements of the
organized Jewish community as the vanguard of the left and the most
important force in passage of the 1965 immigration law (PDF). As
Muller's essay observes, Jews were major victims of the
ethnonationalism of others. Anti-Semitism was a general force
throughout Eastern and Central Europe, culminating in the slaughters
of World War II. And Muller notes that a prime motivation was that
Jews dominated areas of the economy and segments of the social class
structure to which others aspired--a principal theme of my book
Separation and Its Discontents.
This history of loss as a result of others' ethnonationalism doubtless
goes a long way toward explaining the main thrust of Jewish
intellectual and political movements in the 20th Century--a principal
theme of my book The Culture of Critique.
For example, the Jewish opposition to immigration policies favoring
the European majority of the US dates back to before the immigration
cut-off of the 1920s and spans the entire mainstream Jewish political
spectrum, from the far left to the neoconservative right, to this day.
However, Jewish opposition to the ethnonationalism of Europeans and
European-derived peoples is in remarkable contrast to their unswerving
support for the Jewish ethnonationalist state of Israel -- a rather
glaring double standard, to say the least. There is a rather
straightforward analogy of Jews as victims of nascent ethnonationalism
in Europe and Palestinians as victims of nascent Jewish ethno
nationalism in Israel. (And ex-President Carter, in his recent Peace
Not Apartheid, triggered much hysteria by noting the similarities
between the policing techniques of Israel and the Afrikaner
ethnonationalist state of pre-1990 South Africa.)
As Muller notes: "Social scientists go to great lengths to demonstrate
that [ethnonationalism] is a product not of nature but of culture,
often deliberately constructed. And ethicists scorn value systems
based on narrow group identities rather than cosmopolitanism. But none
of this will make ethnonationalism go away." (My emphasis -KM)
Indeed, a mainstay of the intellectual left since Franz Boas and his
disciples came to dominate academic anthropology beginning in the
1920s has been a rejection of any theories that allow for biological
influences on culture. A corollary is that different peoples and
different cultures do not, therefore, have legitimate, biologically-
based conflicts of interest.
But the data are quite clear: There are genetic distances between
different peoples and different peoples therefore have legitimate
conflicts of interest. And: there are deep psychological roots to
ethnocentrism that make us attracted to and more trusting of
genetically similar others. (PDF)
These biological realities will not simply disappear, no matter how
fervently social scientists and other political and cultural elites
wish they would.
But that does not mean that these realities cannot be repressed--at
least temporarily. The response of the Left has been to entrench a
culture of "political correctness" in which expressions of
ethnocentrism by Europeans are proscribed. Organizations such as the
Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League seek
draconian penalties against such expressions by Europeans--and only
Europeans. Many European countries and Canada have savage legal
penalties that enforce intellectual conformity on these issues. In
America the sanctions are more informal--but nevertheless similarly
effective.
Whatever the drawbacks to ethnic nationalism (and the most obvious is
the bloodshed that sometimes accompanies the creation of ethnostates),
it has at least three overriding advantages expressed or implied by
Muller:
bullet As also noted by Frank Salter, because of closer ties of
kinship and culture, ethnically homogeneous societies are more likely
to be open to redistributive policies such as social welfare.
bullet Sociologists such as Robert Putnam have also shown that ethnic
homogeneity is associated with greater trust of others and greater
political participation.
bullet And finally, as noted also by historians of European
modernization, ethnic homogeneity may well be a precondition of
political systems characterized by democracy and rule of law.
Political correctness in the West cannot be maintained without
constantly ratcheting up the social controls on individual thought and
behavior. Western societies will experience increased ethnic conflict.
Their governments will increasingly be obliged to enact draconian
penalties for deviations from political correctness. And probably also
to "correct" ethnic imbalances in social status and political power--
much as the Hapsburg and Ottoman empires of old were forced in their
declining years to constantly bargain with rising ethnic pressure
groups. Democracy, representative government, and freedom will be
likely casualties.
Finally, Muller's essay is interesting in that it highlights how
normal ethno national strivings are, even among Europeans.
In a very short period, Europe and European-derived societies, which
had achieved an unprecedented level of ethnic homogeneity following
World War II, have developed a stifling political correctness, in
which any tiny vestige of ethnocentrism on the part of Europeans is
crushed with all the power the ruling elites can muster. This is
taking place while the rest of the world continues to undergo
modernization via the creation of ethno states. Muller's essay makes
one realize that this multicultural fad really may be just a phase--and
a backwardly echoing phase at that, recalling the failed multicultural
empires of the pre-modern era.
The climate of anti-ethnocentrism in the West is utterly anomalous,
and set against the rest of the world. In my own writing, I have
emphasized biologically-based European tendencies toward individualism
and relative lack of ethnocentrism as flaws that have predisposed
European whites to these tactical blunders. And I have emphasized how
political correctness works at the psychological level (PDF) to
suppress the legitimate ethnic aspirations of Europeans.
However, Muller's essay reminds us that Europeans have a long history
of ethnic conflict. Ethnic nationalism was a precondition of European
modernization. It also reminds us that, whatever their tendencies
toward individualism, Europeans certainly also have sufficient levels
of ethnocentrism to assert their interests and to establish ethnically
homogeneous states of their own.
As Muller points out, though, the process is can be ugly. Just ask the
Israelis--and the Palestinians.
Finally, as Muller notes, ethnic homogeneity is compatible with--
perhaps conducive to--liberal democracy. At a theoretical level, this
is because ethnic conflict produces deep, frequently irreconcilable
divisions within a society and ultimately, causes group-based
competition for resources and political power. These can be very hard
to mediate.
The difficulty of establishing democracy and the rule of law in
societies divided by ethnic conflict is a major theme of the
contemporary world.
So is the campaign to bully European-stock whites, alone of all the
world's groups, to forswear ethnocentric politics and consequently to
fatally disable themselves in an unchangingly ethnocentric world.
Kevin MacDonald [email him] is Professor of Psychology at California
State University-Long Beach. For his website, click here.
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<cccccdfg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Obama is a member of a black church that has raised farakahn, as well
>as otehr things that would have excluded him from the running if he
>was white. but the only reason he is in their in the first place is
>because of his color.
Farrakhan is a black moslem, you shambling moron.
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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REV.XTREME WRIGHT
--
"*ALWAYS PRAYING FOR /*RAHOWA*/ FOR A WHITE PLANET*"
*ATTENTION*
*ALL NIGGERS MUST FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES TO POST IN AFN*:
*SAME GOES FOR LIBERAL DEMOCRATS*
(1) the niggers SOP is to change the post so it says something
different. Also use nigger meaningless code words like "wtb"
(2) the nigger may alter or edit posts it is replying to, so as
to enable itself to retort more effectively.
(3) Niggers will also change the subject, leave the thread, or
willfully misunderstand and forge the white humans who are
humiliating them.
(4) Change the spelling to sound more like the nigger that they
are.(like azz for ass)
(5) Niggers will deal with this by claiming that they have won".
(6) pretending to be a whiteslave at work and replying "sir"
to another nigger.
(7) Pretend to have retired rich and own many vehicles and
motorcycles.
(8) It will try to put a human touch on the nigger parasite
(9) It will claim to have a superior black somewhere???
(10)they will refer to themselves as a "black man" instead of
what they really are (niggers)
(11)niggers will try to improve the nigger image by saying
it served in the military with honors or was awarded some
hero medal from the naacp
(12) As a first and last retort, there's always the infamous
"MUH DICK" post.
IT ALL ADDS UP TO "TNB"
Clay
mind <LOL>:
...
> On Apr 7, 1:08 pm, Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On Apr 7, 12:07 pm, "Dommy" shows his virulent racism:
> > > On Apr 7, 11:01 am, Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 7, 8:02 am, "Dommy" hates the fact that I kicked his miserable ass <LOL>:
You, Dommy, are just too fucking stupid.
I repeat (again, for your dumbass)... Patriot Games DID NOT call me a
nigger.
Your racist ass did.
I have nothing (repeat nothing) to do with Patriot Games, you asshole
nitwit.
> > > Neither do I.
> > -
> > You...are a fucking liar !!!
> > <http://tinyurl.com/32ctzv>
> > This was an ad hominen, unprovoked racial slur.
>
> My purpose in informing you indirectly that Patriot Games is a racist
> bigot Republican who calls all Black people "niggers" is somehow *my*
> using "an ad hominen, unprokened racial slur"?
Every racist asshole (of which you are one), every dimwitted moron who
hates (of which you are one), each and every evil retarded jerk
(that's you to a "T", Dommy) has "a purpose". Fuck you and your
purpose, Dommy.
Confront the fact that you called someone you don't even know a
nigger.
OTOH... lemme get this straight, Dommy... you call someone a slur in
order to let the person who you called that slur that someone else is
using that slur?
You're fucking insane, you stupid piece of shit.
> Patriot Games does not even READ my posts, Clay!
You're sick, Dommy... I mean mentally ill.
You have this weird obsession with a poster (actually two) on USENET
and you have used this obsession to affect how YOU act.
You need serious help, Dommy.
I hope you get the mental help you truly need, Dommy.
BTW... this mental breakdown I'm seeing from you online stems from the
total and complete ass-kicking I gave you a few weeks ago.
If you cannot "play with the big boys", Dommy... get off of USENET
altogether, shit-for-brains.
Too motherfucking funny.
-C-
Kevin Cunningham
Its good to know that when you need a segregationist, for neural
experiments say, you can always get one from the repugs. Yep, this
foul smelling wretch is a profound anti-American. He doesn't want of
like freedom, he wants the good 'ole days, when men were men and
negroes, women, jews and the rest knew their places.
A filthy, anti-American. Go back to were ever you came from, creep.
Liberalism is a Mental Disorder
Exactly. It's the liberal Dickocrats who marginalize everything.
It's really obvious to anyone with a brain. That must be why left-
tards can't figure it out.
HarryNadds
And come to find out the cocksucker isn't even american indian like he
claims.Typical liberal.
Spartakus
> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >Shorter Star Parker: "I got mine, so the rest of you all can just stop
> >your belly-aching."
>
> >Shorter Conservative Response: "See? A black person said there's
> >nothing for black people to complain about. So shut up, already."
> Some folks are gonna whine and whine and whine some more until
> somebody gives 'em everything they want for free.....
Those folks are called "Republicans".
> and since that isn't going to happen..........
Au contraire; it's being happening since 1994.
Steve
<spar...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> >Shorter Star Parker: "I got mine, so the rest of you all can just stop
>> >your belly-aching."
>>
>> >Shorter Conservative Response: "See? A black person said there's
>> >nothing for black people to complain about. So shut up, already."
>
>> Some folks are gonna whine and whine and whine some more until
>> somebody gives 'em everything they want for free.....
>
>Those folks are called "Republicans".
Actually, most Republicans are proponents of self responsibility. Its
the liberals who are always whining that society owes them something
simply because they exist...
>> and since that isn't going to happen..........
>
>Au contraire; it's being happening since 1994.
It appears that Zeppy has never read a book nor watched a movie
that didn't have some sort of mythical monster, space alien,
dragon, vampire, werewolf, fairy, elf, troll, (ect.).
The poor slob's life has been such a series of failures and
monotonous struggle to support himself, that he needs the
fantasies in order to escape his realities.
It's obviously beyond Zepp's abilities to understand that ignorance
is not cured by reading fiction.... He might have served himself
better by reading some facts instead of the flights of fantasy he
obviously prefers... It might have helped him in the following
areas, where he demonstrates his ignorance.
"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution specifies that people have
a right to vote in a presidential election pretty much takes the
choice of having [a presidential election] out of the hands of the states."
Zepp Jamieson Sun, Sep 3 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/efb4fcac7b1561cb?hl=en&
If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
"The South couldn't taken any more of the Missouri Compromise,
sensing (correctly) that it would kill slavery in the end,
and Lincoln planned to uphold it."
--Zepp Jamieson
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=9j2n5vsqfga7l2fsrt0polt2eg6lqs71hv%404ax.com
"The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters."
--Zepp Jamieson
"http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_541474719
In fact, I question the milk price, since farm supports put a "floor"
on what retailers can charge.
-- Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f7f4b713c4651011?&hl=en
George Grapman
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Spartakus
> <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>> Shorter Star Parker: "I got mine, so the rest of you all can just stop
>>>> your belly-aching."
>>>> Shorter Conservative Response: "See? A black person said there's
>>>> nothing for black people to complain about. So shut up, already."
>>> Some folks are gonna whine and whine and whine some more until
>>> somebody gives 'em everything they want for free.....
>> Those folks are called "Republicans".
>
> Actually, most Republicans are proponents of self responsibility. Its
> the liberals who are always whining that society owes them something
> simply because they exist...
Which explains why Bush favors bailing out Bear Stearns and why he
used tax money and eminent domain for his ballpark.
How many congressional Republicans who oppose employer mandated
health care are paying the full cost of their own insurance?
Steve
<sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>Steve wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Spartakus
>> <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>> Shorter Star Parker: "I got mine, so the rest of you all can just stop
>>>>> your belly-aching."
>>>>> Shorter Conservative Response: "See? A black person said there's
>>>>> nothing for black people to complain about. So shut up, already."
>>>> Some folks are gonna whine and whine and whine some more until
>>>> somebody gives 'em everything they want for free.....
>>> Those folks are called "Republicans".
>>
>> Actually, most Republicans are proponents of self responsibility. Its
>> the liberals who are always whining that society owes them something
>> simply because they exist...
>
>
> Which explains why Bush favors bailing out Bear Stearns and why he
>used tax money and eminent domain for his ballpark.
Bush isn't "most Republicans."
> How many congressional Republicans who oppose employer mandated
>health care are paying the full cost of their own insurance?
Unrelated subject..... but since you ask, everyone that has group
insurance through their employer is paying the full cost of their own
insurance.
Kevin Cunningham
See how smart repugs are? When they can't answer because their wrong,
well, gosh, its an unrelated subject. Like this smokin' pile. Facts
are that congressmen get free health care, not paid by a customer,
this is politics, but paid for by you and me.
Oh, and then Steve goes back to the good ole days and attacks a
poster, see, Steve Baby can't defend his "views" so he has to attack
the poster. Steve Baby is a coward but then, hey, he's a repug.
4025 Dead
Weird. I don't even see anything by me in the exchange. I guess the
stalker is just obessing again.
He embarrassed himself in another thread by trying to dismiss Vonnegut
-- who he's never read -- as a science fiction writer, and then
repeated his claim that fiction is on no value and should not be taken
seriously.
Even for him, it was a profoundly stupid thing to say.
Well, let him obsess. I've better things to do than dick around with
him.
Steve
<sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
It's good to know that I do this so well as to drag the morons out of
their spidy-holes in a lame attempt to shut me up..
It appears that Zeppy has never read a book nor watched a movie
that didn't have some sort of mythical monster, space alien,
dragon, vampire, werewolf, fairy, elf, troll, (ect.).
The poor slob's life has been such a series of failures and
Steve
Being kidnapped by space aliens who look like toilet plungers and can
"time travel" *is* science fiction, of course, however, knowing how
deeply Zeppy is lost in his fantasy world, I can see how he would
think otherwise....
>repeated his claim that fiction is on no value and should not be taken
>seriously.
Well, <LOL> since I never said any such thing, we must chalk that
Zepp claim up to another of his fantasies about me...
>Even for him, it was a profoundly stupid thing to say.
>
>Well, let him obsess. I've better things to do than dick around with
>him.
<LOL> Zepp is probably going to go read some more Harry Potter
books....
It appears that Zeppy has never read a book nor watched a movie
that didn't have some sort of mythical monster, space alien,
dragon, vampire, werewolf, fairy, elf, troll, (ect.).
The poor slob's life has been such a series of failures and
George Grapman
Where did you dig that one up from? Every group plan I ever had
involved shared costs between the employer and the employee. Members of
congress have the same coverage as other federal employees and the cost
is shared.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_06/006478.php
June 10, 2005
Guest: Ezekiel Emanuel
CONGRESSIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE VOUCHER PLAN....I have failed to
emphasize that the voucher plan is a lot like the insurance program for
Senators and members of Congress.
Politicians are part of the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program.
They have a choice of between 5 and 10 health plans in each city. Some
are HMOs, some are regular insurance with preferred provider programs.
They select a plan they like, the federal government pays a large
portion of the premium, and they pay the rest. For more expensive plans
with a lot of choices of doctors and hospitals and more services,
Senators and Congressmen pay more. For the basic plan they pay a little
premium. Not every plan offered in a city is included — they are
screened by the Office of Personnel Management.
Steve
<sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote:
Simple fact... if an employee isn't earning the price of his all is
benefits for his employer, he's looking for a job... because he's
been canned....
George Grapman
Try repeating that in English. You claimed that all costs of group
plans are paid for by employees. I noted that in every job I had the
costs were shared by the company and by employees and then posted a link
showing that member of congress only pay a small share of their insurance.
Steve
<sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote:
<LOL> Read much?
>You claimed that all costs of group
>plans are paid for by employees. I noted that in every job I had the
>costs were shared by the company and by employees and then posted a link
>showing that member of congress only pay a small share of their insurance.
As I said, an employee who does not produce all of the compensation he
receives from his employer, and that includes all of the benefits he
receives, isn't going to be employed by that employer...
let me put it another way.. An employee contributes to income for his
employer.. If that employer decides that this employee is costing him
more than it costs to employ him, he'll be let go... IOW, the
employer must earn his health care just as he earns his wages...
Now the members of government legislatures are a special case, because
damned few are worth even a fraction of what it costs to employ
them....
George Grapman
But your earlier claim was that the entire costs of group plans are
paid for by employees. If you had any type of work history you would
know that is not the case.
Steve
<sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote:
<LOL> They are paid by the employee, you ignorant fool.. just as all
of his wages and other benefits are paid for by the employee... by
his labor...
Kevin Cunningham
Poor little conservative. Can't respond to the beating he's been
getting from the liberals about his "ideas" so he attacks the poster.
He needs a good nap.
Kevin Cunningham
is crap. If you don't like this stuff then don't read it. However
realize that your dislike says a lot about you, not about science
fiction.
4033 Dead
<sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Canyon WOULD think fantasy satire is SF. But then, his only
experience is the first few minutes of 2001, and half of one of the
Star Wars movies.
Next he'll be telling us that he bases his knowledge of rock and roll
on a sone he heard once by Vanilla Fudgel, and some music from the
1910 Fruitgum Company.
Steve
<sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
space aliens, time travel, and other silly fantasies are for the
immature..
It appears that Zeppy has never read a book nor watched a movie
that didn't have some sort of mythical monster, space alien,
dragon, vampire, werewolf, fairy, elf, troll, (ect.).
The fatman will tell you what an intellectual he is.. ..because
he reads Vonnegut, Heinlein, and Rowling... <LOL> Yes, indeed,
Zepp apparently believes that Harry Potter is a serious intellectual
work.
Steve
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:58:40 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Cunningham
<sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
<LOL> the irony is that the moron can't respond without snipping...
It appears that Zeppy has never read a book nor watched a movie
that didn't have some sort of mythical monster, space alien,
dragon, vampire, werewolf, fairy, elf, troll, (ect.).
The fatman will tell you what an intellectual he is.. ..because
he reads Vonnegut, Heinlein, and Rowling... <LOL> Yes, indeed,
Zepp apparently believes that Harry Potter is a serious intellectual
work.
The poor slob's life has been such a series of failures and
Steve
Oh, so now it's fantasy satire????? Like I said, Harry Potter, space
aliens, time travel, and other silly fantasies are for the immature..
Grownups generally prefer more substantial fiction like, perhaps,
Steinbeck, or Mitchner, but then Zepp isn't exactly a grownup, having
offered up a reference to <LOL> Rowling.
> But then, his only
>experience is the first few minutes of 2001, and half of one of the
>Star Wars movies.
I do generally stay away from simplistic venues such as those....
They offer neither educational opportunities, nor any other challenge.
>Next he'll be telling us that he bases his knowledge of rock and roll
>on a sone he heard once by Vanilla Fudgel, and some music from the
>1910 Fruitgum Company.
Actually, my basis for rock and roll comes from places like CCR and
Bob Seger, with a healthy dose of Fleetwood Mac, birthday boy.... and
even with an artificial leg, I'm sure I can out dance the grotesquely
obese Fatty Jamieson.
It appears that Zeppy has never read a book nor watched a movie
that didn't have some sort of mythical monster, space alien,
dragon, vampire, werewolf, fairy, elf, troll, (ect.).
The fatman will tell you what an intellectual he is.. ..because
he reads Vonnegut, Heinlein, and Rowling... <LOL> Yes, indeed,
Zepp apparently believes that Harry Potter is a serious intellectual
work.
The poor slob's life has been such a series of failures and
Kurt Lochner
> > Canyon WOULD think fantasy satire is SF.
>
>Oh, so now it's fantasy satire?????
You apparently are so insecure, still, that you have to stick
'labels' on everything, because you can't handle ambiguity..
>Grownups generally prefer more substantial fiction like, perhaps,
>Steinbeck, or Mitchner, [..]
But, since you only resemble an adult, you wouldn't actually know..
> > But then, his only experience is the first few minutes of 2001,
> > and half of one of the Star Wars movies.
>
>I do generally stay away from simplistic venues [..]
Actually, that's the only kind you comprehend, with your put-downs
and immature personal attacks.. You think it's not obvious?
> > Next he'll be telling us that he bases his knowledge of rock and roll
> > on a sone he heard once by Vanilla Fudgel, and some music from the
> > 1910 Fruitgum Company.
>
>Actually, my basis for rock and roll comes from places like CCR
>and Bob Seger, with a healthy dose of Fleetwood Mac, [..]
*>LOL!<* It's even worse than Zepp predicted..
--And he nailed Shrill Bonde too, just like he did you!
4033 Dead
<kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>"Senile Caveman" <semencanyon@tamponbuoy,.rr.com> sniveled thusly:
>
>> > Canyon WOULD think fantasy satire is SF.
>>
>>Oh, so now it's fantasy satire?????
>
>You apparently are so insecure, still, that you have to stick
>'labels' on everything, because you can't handle ambiguity..
>
>>Grownups generally prefer more substantial fiction like, perhaps,
>>Steinbeck, or Mitchner, [..]
That's his notion of SUBSTANTIAL authors? I mean, I can see
Steinbeck. Small words, large ideas, and Parkie probably cried because
the bunny died. But Michener? He wrote potboilers. And Parkie might
do better if he at least learned how to spell the man's name.
I wonder if he ever read Kerouac, or Angelou, or knows who either of
them were?
>
>But, since you only resemble an adult, you wouldn't actually know..
>
>> > But then, his only experience is the first few minutes of 2001,
>> > and half of one of the Star Wars movies.
>>
>>I do generally stay away from simplistic venues [..]
>
>Actually, that's the only kind you comprehend, with your put-downs
>and immature personal attacks.. You think it's not obvious?
>
>> > Next he'll be telling us that he bases his knowledge of rock and roll
>> > on a sone he heard once by Vanilla Fudgel, and some music from the
>> > 1910 Fruitgum Company.
>>
>>Actually, my basis for rock and roll comes from places like CCR
>>and Bob Seger, with a healthy dose of Fleetwood Mac, [..]
>
>*>LOL!<* It's even worse than Zepp predicted..
>
>--And he nailed Shrill Bonde too, just like he did you!
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>>Grownups generally prefer more substantial fiction like, perhaps,
>>>Steinbeck, or Mitchner, [..]
>
>That's his notion of SUBSTANTIAL authors?
Yep, authors who don't need magic and impossibilities to lay down a
story.
> I mean, I can see
>Steinbeck. Small words, large ideas, and Parkie probably cried because
>the bunny died.
<LOL> ...and now I'm Parkie again??? What happened to me being
Henny?
"I've got the word back on you from
Zepp. Your real name is Henry Selvitella"
Alric Knoodles Sep 24 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/1d12e417d7c6f999?hl=en&
> But Michener? He wrote potboilers.
He wrote historical fiction, a favorite of mine. He was known for
doing years and years of research for each book in order to get the
facts right.
>And Parkie might
>do better if he at least learned how to spell the man's name.
Ahhh, so Zepp is going to play the part of spelling police now...
Funny that he can;t find anything better to criticize me about...
>I wonder if he ever read Kerouac, or Angelou, or knows who either of
>them were?
Kerouac was a drunken loon.. Maya Angelou wrote poetry and children's
books... I'm not interested in reading stuff from drunken loons and
I'm not a fan of children's books either...
But I can see why David Jamieson (Zepp) would be interested, having
both a history of drunkenness and the maturity of a child....
Steven Canyon, still slapping hippies around
wrote:
That's rich.. there's Licky-boy Lochner, an amateur, hack, flunky
musician pretending to be a music critic and imagining that his
opinion matters to anybody.... well... maybe to his mommy who
probably supports his silly fantasies of grandeur.
Kurt Lochner
debating:
>
> Kurt Lochner noted the usual right-wing knee-jerks exhibited by:- - >
> > >Steinbeck, or Mitchner, [..]
> >
> > But, since you only resemble an adult, you wouldn't actually know..
> >
> > > > But then, his only experience is the first few minutes of 2001,
> > > > and half of one of the Star Wars movies.
> > >
> > >I do generally stay away from simplistic venues [..]
> >
> > Actually, that's the only kind you comprehend, with your put-downs
> > and immature personal attacks.. You think it's not obvious?
> >
> > > > Next he'll be telling us that he bases his knowledge of rock and roll
> > > > on a sone he heard once by Vanilla Fudgel, and some music from the
> > > > 1910 Fruitgum Company.
> > >
> > >Actually, my basis for rock and roll comes from places like CCR
> > >and Bob Seger, with a healthy dose of Fleetwood Mac, [..]
> >
> > *>LOL!<* It's even worse than Zepp predicted..
> >
>
Fleetwood Mac *IS* "bubblegum music" from where I stand, Crayon..
--So, stick it innuendo..
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the expense of:
> >
> >"Senile Caveman" <semen...@tamponbuoy.rr.com> sniveled thusly:
- - - >
> > > > Canyon WOULD think fantasy satire is SF.
> > >
> > >Oh, so now it's fantasy satire?????
> >
> > You apparently are so insecure, still, that you have to stick
> > 'labels' on everything, because you can't handle ambiguity..
> >
> > >Grownups generally prefer more substantial fiction like, perhaps,
> > >Steinbeck, or Mitchner, [..]
>
> That's his notion of SUBSTANTIAL authors?
And he thinks of Fleetwood Mac as "rock music"..
You had the "bubblegum" part of it correct..
> I mean, I can see Steinbeck. Small words, large ideas, and
> Parkie probably cried because the bunny died. But Michener?
> He wrote potboilers. And Parkie might do better if he at least
> learned how to spell the man's name.
Don't hold your breath..
> I wonder if he ever read Kerouac, or Angelou, or knows who
> either of them were?
Nah..
--He's still as "incurious" as W. Bush about facts and ideas..
Steven Canyon, still slapping hippies around
wrote:
> "Senile Caveman" <semencan...@tamponbuoy.rr.com> shriveled from actually
<ROTFLMAO> "from where [you] stand?" ....more illusions of
significance from an insignificant leftist moron who still lives with
his mommy...... ..and who know what else Licky does with his mommy
snce he's to pathetic to attract any females who aren't related to
him....
Kurt Lochner
> >
> >"Senile Caveman" <semen...@tamponbuoy.rr.com> whimpered:
- -->
> >>>Steinbeck, or Mitchner, [..]
> >
> > Steinbeck. Small words, large ideas, and Parkie probably cried because
> > do better if he at least learned how to spell the man's name.
>
>Ahhh, so Zepp is going to play the part of spelling police now...
Sloppy spelling indicates sloppy thinking on your behalf..
--Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet?
_______________________________________________________________________
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:40:33 GMT
news:<b9avkuouvrkd3o6ghd1kppjhg6kespmdc9%404ax.com>
"A capacitor *is* an open circuit....like a transformer....
both depend on a changing magnetic field to work.."
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:57:55 GMT
news:<0t87lu46blkiotfga...@4ax.com>
"The only time capacitors are doing anything they have
significant magnetic fields, Lochner."
"[..]and now you can't find a capacitor without
magnetism, either"
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Mon, 12 Aug 2002 03:30:14 GMT
news:<og8elu4eaudlftq93...@4ax.com>
"any and all capacitors work on the principal of magnetism...."
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
news:<jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
"Electromagnetic Force = a force by which objects
with electric charge attract OR repel one another"
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
news:<jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
"the references to capacitors in that cite had nothing
to do with my claims about capacitors,[..]"
"all electric phenomenon is because of electroMAGNETIC force"
--
kicking hippies <steven...@yahoo.com> Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:28:01
news:53150fee-bc34-40e3-912c-be62297c363b%4072g2000hsu.googlegroups.com
"Coulomb's Law "Like charges repel, unlike charges attract.
that's what makes curent flow, dummy...."
*Note: Crayon still hasn't googled this cite up..
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/funfor.html#c3
--
Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:11:30 GMT
news:<i4tp5v4c5ulhakvei...@4ax.com>
"I never made any claims I couldn't back up...."
--
Canyon <parkie...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:59:42 GMT
news:<rg6q5vgq29cerpocl...@4ax.com>
"I don't need to back anything up, you moron, cause unlike
yourself, my self image is not dependent on what others
think about me."
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
news:<jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
"I have no need to demonstrate what I know,[..]"
"MY self image is very secure...."
--
Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:08:28 GMT
news:<u3sp5vc0nhsdj4fbo...@4ax.com>
"[..] my ego isn't even slightly effected by what others
might think of me."
--*>LOL!<* Keep on whining, Sporkie..
Steven Canyon, still slapping hippies around
wrote:
> "Senile Caveman" <semencan...@tamponbuoy.rr.com> sniveled thusly:
>
>
>
> > 4033 Dead was laughing at the subliterate notions of:
>
> - -->
> > >>>Grownups generally prefer more substantial fiction like, perhaps,
> > >>>Steinbeck, or Mitchner, [..]
>
> > > That's his notion of SUBSTANTIAL authors? I mean, I can see
> > > Steinbeck. Small words, large ideas, and Parkie probably cried because
> > > the bunny died. But Michener? He wrote potboilers. And Parkie might
> > > do better if he at least learned how to spell the man's name.
>
> >Ahhh, so Zepp is going to play the part of spelling police now...
>
> Sloppy spelling indicates sloppy thinking on your behalf..
>
> --Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet?
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> news:<b9avkuouvrkd3o6ghd1kppjhg6kespmdc9%404ax.com>
>
> "A capacitor *is* an open circuit....like a transformer....
> both depend on a changing magnetic field to work.."
>
> --
> <news:0t87lu46blkiotfga...@4ax.com>
>
> "The only time capacitors are doing anything they have
> significant magnetic fields, Lochner."
>
> "[..]and now you can't find a capacitor without
> magnetism, either"
>
> --
> <news:og8elu4eaudlftq93...@4ax.com>
>
> "any and all capacitors work on the principal of magnetism...."
>
> --
> <news:jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
>
> "Electromagnetic Force = a force by which objects
> with electric charge attract OR repel one another"
>
> --
> <news:jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
>
> "the references to capacitors in that cite had nothing
> to do with my claims about capacitors,[..]"
>
> "all electric phenomenon is because of electroMAGNETIC force"
Poor Licky still hasn't figure out what electroMAGNETIC force is..
seventh grade science....
> kicking hippies <stevencan...@yahoo.com> Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:28:01
> news:53150fee-bc34-40e3-912c-be62297c363b%4072g2000hsu.googlegroups.com
>
> "Coulomb's Law "Like charges repel, unlike charges attract.
> that's what makes curent flow, dummy...."
so now Licky states that he doesn't understand Coulomb's Law.. his
claims of having an education burn...
> *Note: Crayon still hasn't googled this cite up..
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/funfor.html#c3
>
> --
> Canyon <stevencan...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:11:30 GMT
> <news:i4tp5v4c5ulhakvei...@4ax.com>
>
> "I never made any claims I couldn't back up...."
>
> --
> Canyon <parkie_u_w...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:59:42 GMT
> <news:rg6q5vgq29cerpocl...@4ax.com>
>
> "I don't need to back anything up, you moron, cause unlike
> yourself, my self image is not dependent on what others
> think about me."
>
> --
> Steven Canyon <G...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
> <news:jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
>
> "I have no need to demonstrate what I know,[..]"
>
> "MY self image is very secure...."
Make that very, very secure, Licky.. comes from being superior...
not just from morons like you either, because most everybody is
superior to you.
> Canyon <stevencan...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:08:28 GMT
4033 Dead
Well, in fairness, there was an earlier incarnation of Fleetwood Mac
that wasn't bubblegum. But I'm guessing Parkie means the bubblegum
band.
Steve
So here's a moron that claims that science fiction is a serious
literary venue making a stand as a music critic as well....
..and if, perchance, you want to get an insight into what kinds of
people the science fiction and fantasy readers are... ...just take
quick look into the science fiction and fantasy aisles at your local
Barnes and Noble or Borders... Besides the expected children you'll
see a few pimply faced, overweight, social misfit pseudo adults...
...follow them outside and you'll see them boarding the bus or getting
into a decade old bumper-dragging oil burner, perhaps sporting one of
those little temporary spare tires on one corner.
> But I'm guessing Parkie means the bubblegum
>band.
Zepp and his friends guess a lot...
"Just like "Steve Canyon" did a couple of years ago when I called him
on his fantasy that he was a millionaire with yachts and apartment
complexes and who was an Indian married to a black woman and all these
other strange things. I even stumbled across his real identity, and
while I've never discussed it publically, you did mention it to him,
and he went berserk, remember?"
Zepp Jamieson 31 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/fe9c048c552ef851?hl=en&
"I've got the word back on you from
Zepp. Your real name is Henry Selvitella"
Alric Knoodles Sep 24 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/1d12e417d7c6f999?hl=en&
"I've never failed [the citizen test], Mary Lou. Bet you wouldn't do so well if you
tried it, though. "
--Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/aa89956c510c54dc
"Parker is Steve Canyon, of course"
Zepp Jamieson Aug 7 2005
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/d12282dc011005ea?hl=en&
"And I only know one thing about you, which I will
NEVER reveal to anyone, because it's not what i do."
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f2f538a583cb79c3
"Oh, that place over on W. Rio Vista Ave he keeps posting from? "
Licknutz Lochner
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/2ceac009efcc3592
"The only reason I even know his name was because, when he first
started stalking me, I needed to know who I was dealing with,"
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/c40621c16ca02727
<Canyon note>: None of these loons know anything about me that
I don't want them to know..
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner pointed out the obvious as walked away snickering at:
> >
> >"Senile Caveman" <semen...@tamponbuoy.rr.com> shriveled from actually debating:
> >>
> >> Kurt Lochner noted the usual right-wing knee-jerks exhibited by:
> >> >
> >> >"Senile Caveman" <semencanyon@tamponbuoy,.rr.com> sniveled thusly:
> >> > >
- -- - ->
> >> > > > Next he'll be telling us that he bases his knowledge of rock and roll
> >> > > > on a sone he heard once by Vanilla Fudgel, and some music from the
> >> > > > 1910 Fruitgum Company.
> >> > >
> >> > >Actually, my basis for rock and roll comes from places like CCR
> >> > >and Bob Seger, with a healthy dose of Fleetwood Mac, [..]
> >> >
> >> > *>LOL!<* It's even worse than Zepp predicted..
> >> >
> >> > --And he nailed Shrill Bonde too, just like he did you!
> >>
> >
> > Fleetwood Mac *IS* "bubblegum music" from where I stand, Crayon..
> >
> > --So, stick it innuendo..
>
> Well, in fairness, there was an earlier incarnation of Fleetwood Mac
> that wasn't bubblegum. But I'm guessing Parkie means the bubblegum
> band.
--Two chords, and a monotonous rhythm is about Sporkie's speed..
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner wrote:
>
> > Fleetwood Mac *IS* "bubblegum music" from where I stand, Crayon..
>
> causes that, Lochner.
Yeah, the callouses gave that away..
It simply amazes me low desperate the right-wing jihadi's are,
tying to insult me over my experience with music and performing
arts, when by their very own failed political agenda, they tend
to attack and/or stifle anything that doesn't suit their tastes..
--Or, abject lack of taste, which is more common than not..
robw
What does his drinking have to do with anything?
"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
news:9tu104hq5s5qedk49...@4ax.com...
robw
"Steven Canyon, still slapping hippies around" <steven...@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:6a72c28a-dc30-448c...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner enjoyed eliciting another knee-jerk reaction from:
> >
> >"Semen Canyon, still sucking right-wing ideologies" shriveled from actually debating:
> > >
> > > Kurt Lochner noted the usual right-wing knee-jerks exhibited by:
> > > >
> > > >"Senile Caveman" <semencanyon@tamponbuoy,.rr.com> sniveled thusly:
> > > > >
- - - - - >
> > > > > > on a sone he heard once by Vanilla Fudgel, and some music from the
> > > > > > 1910 Fruitgum Company.
> > > > >
> > > > >Actually, my basis for rock and roll comes from places like CCR
> > > > >and Bob Seger, with a healthy dose of Fleetwood Mac, [..]
> > > >
> > > > *>LOL!<* It's even worse than Zepp predicted..
> > > >
> > > > --And he nailed Shrill Bonde too, just like he did you!
> > >
> > >That's rich.. there's Licky-boy Lochner, an amateur, [...]
> >
> > Fleetwood Mac *IS* "bubblegum music" from where I stand, Crayon..
> >
>
>[..] "from where [you] stand?"
Yeah, +30 years of live performance, and a repertoire that "kills"..
--What's it to you, you fjuckwitted reich-tard? Jealous?
Kurt Lochner
>So here's [..]
Evasion noted..
--And laughed at, again..
____________________________________________________________________
kissing hippies <steven...@yahoo.com> Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:28:01
news:53150fee-bc34-40e3-912c-be62297c363b%4072g2000hsu.googlegroups.com
"Coulomb's Law "Like charges repel, unlike charges attract.
that's what makes curent flow, dummy...."
*Note: Canyon & sockpuppet avoid this cite..
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/funfor.html#c3
--
Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:11:30 GMT
news:<i4tp5v4c5ulhakvei...@4ax.com>
"I never made any claims I couldn't back up...."
--
Canyon <parkie...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:59:42 GMT
news:<rg6q5vgq29cerpocl...@4ax.com>
"I don't need to back anything up, you moron, cause unlike
yourself, my self image is not dependent on what others
think about me."
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
news:<jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
"I have no need to demonstrate what I know,[..]"
"MY self image is very secure...."
--
Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:08:28 GMT
Steve
wrote:
>What version of Fleetwood Mac are we talking about?
Most of my F M albums are 60s70s era.. most of my albums are 60/70's
era.
It appears that Zeppy has never read a book nor watched a movie
Steve
wrote:
>Kerouac was one of the greatest writers of the 20th century.
You can have that opinion if you want. I'm simply not interested in
reading drunken loons...
>What does his drinking have to do with anything?
I assume his drinking was one reason he was such a fruitcake loon...
Addiction is a character flaw. I can tolerate music from an alcoholic
or drug affected person, but not the ideas....
Steven Canyon, still slapping hippies around
wrote:
..live in front of the roaches in your garage, perhaps....
>and a repertoire that "kills"..
<LOL> According to your momma perhaps..
> --What's it to you, you fjuckwitted reich-tard? Jealous?
why would anyone be jealous of an out of work loser like you, Licky?
robw
Jack went to college and played football.
Left college and served in the military.
Didn't move to France with the rest of the "Beat Writers' because he looked
after his mom.
Wasn't a black clothed Beatnik. Wore his flannel shirts.
He was a genius.
Have you actually ever read "Dharma Bums" or "On the Road"??? et. all????
You don't smell bad but I do smell stupid.
"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
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robw
Not the Lindsay/nicks time.
"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
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Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner continued laughing at the presumptions presented by:
- -
> > kissing hickies <seven...@tamponbuoy.rr.com> Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:28:01
> > news:53150fee-bc34-40e3-912c-be62297c363b%4072g2000hsu.googlegroups.com
> >
> > "Coulomb's Law "Like charges repel, unlike charges attract.
> > that's what makes curent flow, dummy...."
"curent"? *>LOL!<* You're so simple minded..
>so now Licky states that he doesn't understand Coulomb's Law..
Nope, that would again be yourself, Crayon..
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elefor.html
I'm talking about the equation, not your 2nd grade verbalizations..
--Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet sockpuppet?
_______________________________________________________________________
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:40:33 GMT
news:<b9avkuouvrkd3o6ghd1kppjhg6kespmdc9%404ax.com>
"A capacitor *is* an open circuit....like a transformer....
both depend on a changing magnetic field to work.."
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:57:55 GMT
news:<0t87lu46blkiotfga...@4ax.com>
"The only time capacitors are doing anything they have
significant magnetic fields, Lochner."
"[..]and now you can't find a capacitor without
magnetism, either"
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Mon, 12 Aug 2002 03:30:14 GMT
news:<og8elu4eaudlftq93...@4ax.com>
"any and all capacitors work on the principal of magnetism...."
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
news:<jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
"Electromagnetic Force = a force by which objects
with electric charge attract OR repel one another"
--
Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
news:<jc1iluog2emtkjqso...@4ax.com>
"the references to capacitors in that cite had nothing
to do with my claims about capacitors,[..]"
"all electric phenomenon is because of electroMAGNETIC force"
--
kicking hippies <steven...@yahoo.com> Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:28:01
news:53150fee-bc34-40e3-912c-be62297c363b%4072g2000hsu.googlegroups.com
"Coulomb's Law "Like charges repel, unlike charges attract.
that's what makes curent flow, dummy...."
*Note: Crayon still hasn't googled this cite up..
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/funfor.html#c3
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Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:11:30 GMT
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"I never made any claims I couldn't back up...."
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Canyon <parkie...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:59:42 GMT
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"I don't need to back anything up, you moron, cause unlike
yourself, my self image is not dependent on what others
think about me."
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Steven Canyon <Ga...@dog.soldiers> Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:57:10 GMT
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"I have no need to demonstrate what I know,[..]"
"MY self image is very secure...."
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Canyon <steven...@nospam.yahoo.com> Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:08:28 GMT
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner enjoyed eliciting another knee-jerk reaction from:
> >
> >"Semen Canyon, still sucking right-wing ideologies" whined impotently:
> > >
> > > Kurt Lochner enjoyed eliciting another knee-jerk reaction from:
> > > >
> > > >"Semen Canyon, still sucking right-wing ideologies" shriveled from actually debating:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt Lochner noted the usual right-wing knee-jerks exhibited by:
> > > > > >
- - - - - - >
> > > > > > >and Bob Seger, with a healthy dose of Fleetwood Mac, [..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *>LOL!<* It's even worse than Zepp predicted..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --And he nailed Shrill Bonde too, just like he did you!
> > > > >
> > > > >That's rich.. there's Licky-boy Lochner, an amateur, [...]
> > > >
> > > > Fleetwood Mac *IS* "bubblegum music" from where I stand, Crayon..
> > > >
> > > > --So, stick it innuendo..
> > >
> > >[..] "from where [you] stand?"
> >
> >
> > --What's it to you, you fjuckwitted reich-tard? Jealous?
Thanks for again proving my point about your insane jealousy..
>..live in front of the roaches[..]
[..]
><LOL> According to your [..]
[..]
>why would anyone be jealous[..]
*>LOL!<*
You would, because you're an insecure, cowardly right-wing cretin..
--And you 'act-out' in precisely that obvious a manner, "Stephen"..
Kurt Lochner
>[..] most of my albums are 60/70's era.
Thus proving my point about your "conservative" regressiveness..
--Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet?
Steve
wrote:
>Cool. That's the Peter Green era.
>
>Not the Lindsay/nicks time.
Actually, the 60/70 period overlaps the Green era and carries on to
the early Buckingham/Nicks era.
Steve
wrote:
>"Fruitcake loon"???
Yeah.. as are most alcoholics and druggers...
>Jack went to college and played football.
>Left college and served in the military.
>
>Didn't move to France with the rest of the "Beat Writers' because he looked
>after his mom.
>
>Wasn't a black clothed Beatnik. Wore his flannel shirts.
Oh wow, that makes all th difference...
>He was a genius.
>
>Have you actually ever read "Dharma Bums" or "On the Road"??? et. all????
Nope,. emotional drama is not my thing. I'm not interested in
reading all about somebody's internal struggles, especially when a
lot of those struggles have to do with irresponsible behavior. Two
or three pages into his books your realize that you don't like his
main character and have no empathy for him..
>You don't smell bad but I do smell stupid.
>
Well, you know.... taste *is* a rather personal thing... I like
what I like and I dislike what I dislike and if I've managed, for
these sixty some years, to not have my tastes influenced by the many
people I know and care about, it's highly unlikely that somebody that
I don't know, such as yourself, is going to change my mind...
Steven Canyon, still slapping hippies around
wrote:
Licknutz puts up such a facad to try to cover up the many failures in
his life.. pretending to be a musician when only, on rare occasions,
he's allowed to participate in Thursday night jam sessions....
robw
"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
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robw
When Buckingham/Nicks joined the band turned into a bad pop machine.
"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
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Steve
wrote:
>You're forgetting the Bob Welch era.
I didn't forget Welch but I don't believe I have any F M featuring
him..
>When Buckingham/Nicks joined the band turned into a bad pop machine.
Well, I do like Buckingham's guitar and I absolutely love Nick's
sultry voice... but that's me and you're free to like whatever you
like...
Steve
wrote:
>If you've never read his books how can you judge?
I can judge to whatever degree I need to judge based on whatever I do
know... There are lots of books out there and I have no desire to
read them all, so I must exercise some judgement up front. Same holds
true with movies, books and a lot of other things...