Lee Harvey Oswald Is On The Witness Stand....Vince Bugliosi Is The Prosecutor....Let's Listen In....
David Von Pein
Dallas on November 22, 1963. The evidence that shows Oswald to be
guilty of that murder is massive in quantity and scope.
Many people seem to think that Oswald would have walked away a free
man, in a court of law, if he had not been killed himself by Jack
Ruby's bullet on November 24, 1963.
And some conspiracy theorists also think that if Oswald himself had
taken the witness stand at his trial, he would have somehow exonerated
himself and (per certain CTers) would have revealed himself to be just
what those CTers think Oswald was -- an innocent "patsy", who was set
up and framed for the murder of President Kennedy.
But, in my opinion, it's very unlikely that Lee Oswald would have
taken the witness stand at his own trial (had he lived long enough to
do so). He would have been a fool, in fact, to take that witness stand
and say a single word to the jury who would be ultimately deciding his
fate.
A prosecutor like Vincent T. Bugliosi would probably have been able to
convict Oswald (in the jury's mind) within the first few minutes of
Vincent's cross-examination of LHO.
Let's listen to some of the questions that Mr. Bugliosi would probably
have asked Oswald during LHO's first minutes on that witness stand in
court (and we'll also listen in to Lee's likely answers as well)......
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BUGLIOSI -- "Mr. Oswald, I now show you Commission Exhibit number 139,
which is a bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, serial number C2766.
Police officers who testified at this trial have verified the fact
that this exact rifle was found on the sixth floor of your workplace,
the Texas School Book Depository, just 52 minutes after President
Kennedy was shot and killed from right in front of that building on
November the 22nd, 1963. A palmprint of yours was located on this
exact weapon. .... I ask you now, Mr. Oswald, have you ever seen this
rifle before?"
OSWALD -- "No, sir. I have not."
BUGLIOSI -- "Did you, Mr. Oswald, ever send in a mail-order coupon to
Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago, a coupon for a 6.5-millimeter
carbine rifle, during the first half of the year 1963?"
OSWALD -- "No, sir. I didn't order any rifle through the mail."
BUGLIOSI -- "Have you ever owned a rifle in your lifetime, Mr.
Oswald....a privately-owned rifle, that is, since you got out of the
Marine Corps in late 1959?"
OSWALD -- "No, sir. I have never owned a rifle in my life."
BUGLIOSI -- "Mr. Oswald, I now show you Commission Exhibit number 134,
a photograph of a man who looks exactly like you--Lee Harvey Oswald.
This man in the photo, who looks like you, is holding a rifle, has a
handgun in a holster around his waist, and is also holding up two
Russian newspapers, dated March 11th and March 24th of 1963. .... I
ask you now, Mr. Oswald, are you the man depicted in this photograph?"
OSWALD -- "No, sir. That picture must be a fake or something. I never
posed for any picture like that in my life."
BUGLIOSI -- "Mr. Oswald, I now direct your attention to the date of
President Kennedy's assassination--November the 22nd, 1963--and I ask
you now, Mr. Oswald, if you know a young man by the name of Buell
Wesley Frazier?"
OSWALD -- "Yes, I worked with him at the book store....the Depository,
I mean."
BUGLIOSI -- "And did Mr. Frazier give you a ride to work on the
morning of President Kennedy's visit to Dallas--that is the morning of
Friday, November the 22nd, 1963?"
OSWALD -- "Yes....I believe I did ride to work with him that morning."
BUGLIOSI -- "Okay. And did you bring any type of paper package with
you to work on that particular morning?"
OSWALD -- "I brought my lunch. That's all."
BUGLIOSI -- "You brought ONLY a lunch sack with you to work on
November 22nd, is that correct?"
OSWALD -- "Yes, sir. I had my lunch with me."
BUGLIOSI -- "Did you have any OTHER paper package with you that
morning at all? Anything larger than a small lunch bag?"
OSWALD -- "No, I had nothing else with me that day."
BUGLIOSI -- "Wesley Frazier, just this morning, told this court and
this jury that he observed you carrying a much-larger paper bag on the
morning of November the 22nd. Mr. Frazier said that you told him you
had some curtain rods in that larger paper package. Did you tell
Wesley Frazier anything like that on the morning of November 22nd?"
OSWALD -- "No, sir! Absolutely not! I don't know why he'd say a thing
like that. I never told him anything like that."
BUGLIOSI -- "Mr. Oswald, another witness--Mr. Frazier's sister, Linnie
Mae Randle--also testified during this trial that she also observed
you carrying a bulky-type brown paper bag as you walked toward her
house in Irving, Texas, around 7:10 AM on the morning of November
22nd, 1963. Was she mistaken, Mr. Oswald? Did she ONLY see your small
paper lunch sack?"
OSWALD -- "Well...er...I...uh...I really can't speak for what another
witness might or might not have said. I can only tell you that she's
wrong if she said I had a big bag with me that day. I just carried my
lunch to work, like I usually do on work days."
BUGLIOSI -- "Thank you, Mr. Oswald....no further questions at this
time."
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The above questioning of Oswald would have been, of course, preceded
by a parade of witnesses who would have confirmed (without a shred of
a doubt) that Lee Oswald DID purchase Rifle #C2766 by mail-order in
March 1963, and WAS photographed (by his own wife) while holding that
weapon on 3/31/63, and DID take a bulky paper package into the Book
Depository on 11/22/63.
Who do you think the jury is going to believe? The accused murderer?
Or the succession of several different witnesses who all paint Oswald
as the liar he obviously was when he told Mr. Bugliosi (via my
simulated courtroom proceeding above): "I have never owned a rifle in
my life"?
The jury wouldn't even break a sweat on that decision.
In short, Lee Harvey Oswald's many, many LIES would have done almost
as much to convict the bastard as would the wealth of physical and
circumstantial evidence in the JFK case (which also convicts him ten
times over, of course).
Here's a real quote from Vince Bugliosi this time (from the 1986 TV
Mock Trial of LHO), in which VB says pretty much the same thing I just
said above regarding Oswald's non-stop stream of lies that he told in
order to distance himself further and further from the two murders
(JFK's and J.D. Tippit's) he was charged with in '63......
"When he was interrogated, Oswald, from his own lips, he TOLD us he
was guilty....he told us he was guilty....almost the same as if he had
said 'I murdered President Kennedy'....he told us. How did he tell us?
Well, the lies he told, one after another, showed an UNMISTAKABLE
consciousness of guilt. If Oswald were innocent, why did he find it
necessary to deny purchasing that Carcano rifle from the Klein's store
in Chicago? Why did he even deny owning any rifle at all? Why did he
find it necessary to do that if he's innocent?" -- VINCENT BUGLIOSI;
1986
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A FEW RELATED "OSWALD'S GUILTY AS HELL" TOPICS...........
MY BEST VINCENT BUGLIOSI IMITATION:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3ae26a3befc052b8
"ON TRIAL: LEE HARVEY OSWALD" (1986 DOCU-TRIAL TEXT EXCERPTS):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b3a8181c73cfa095
LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S SOLE GUILT -- POINT-BY-POINT:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4a6b3390021d657c
THE TIPPIT MURDER AND THE HILARIOUS DEFENSE OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/85fe573544d89f90
THESE TWO THINGS PROVE LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S GUILT:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/909b5b194cab1cbe
EVERYTHING LEE HARVEY OSWALD DID ON 11/22/63 SAYS "I'M GUILTY!":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8845d85a86407d31
SOLID VALIDATION THAT LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS IN THE SNIPER'S NEST:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/182cecc7c4e37bb2
NOW, ABOUT THOSE "CURTAIN RODS" OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7a460183ae4c6c41
LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS A LIAR -- EXAMINING HIS MANY LIES:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ea04b9e6141f0098
LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS A LIAR (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/beb8390c3526124d
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aeffects
> Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President John Fitzgerald Kennedy in
> Dallas on November 22, 1963. The evidence that shows Oswald to be
> guilty of that murder is massive in quantity and scope.
>
> Many people seem to think that Oswald would have walked away a free
> man, in a court of law, if he had not been killed himself by Jack
> Ruby's bullet on November 24, 1963.
rather (pardon the pun) presumptious of you, yes? A lowly LA
prosecutor trying the alleged murder of the President of the United
States? What the hell are you smoking these day's, David? CRACK? I'm
gonna lump you in with Eddie *Fading Away* Cage, if you keep this
up.... Cage has an excuse, he doesn't know shit about the case, you on
the other hand know TOO much about the case
You can't sugar-coat the forthcoming dismantelment of Bugliosi....
David Von Pein
>>> "A lowly LA prosecutor trying the alleged murder of the President of the United States?" <<<
The above cockeyed statement places Mr. Healy-Kook just one additional
step closer to the funny farm.
Anybody find a sensible/constructive Healy post in the NG archives to
date? I'm still searching. Not a single one has shown up yet. Curious,
huh?
aeffects
you know where to find my material, snookum's.... You have a book yet?
ROTFLMFAO
David Von Pein
Sure. And it's all hollow and of the "say-nothing" variety at this
Forum, just like I said. (And just like your last 2
posts....snookums.)
>>> "You have a book yet?" <<<
Yep. Right here (each essay = a CS&L-favoring "chapter" of Saint
Oswald's guilt).....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/16b70728d9c8ecd4
But, actually, no other books on the JFK subject are necessary,
post-"Reclaiming History". Why would any more hunks of bound printed
matter re. the assassination be required after the tablets have been
brought down from the VB mountain in May 2007?
That'd be akin to searching for your lost car keys in the sofa
cushions even AFTER you've already found them! Not even a CT-Kook is
THAT silly...are you?
aeffects
> >>> "You know where to find my material, snookums." <<<
>
> Sure. And it's all hollow and of the "say-nothing" variety at this
> Forum, just like I said. (And just like your last 2
> posts....snookums.)
>
> >>> "You have a book yet?" <<<
>
> Yep. Right here (each essay = a CS&L-favoring "chapter" of Saint
> Oswald's guilt).....
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/16b70728d9c8ecd4
>
> But, actually, no other books on the JFK subject are necessary,
> post-"Reclaiming History". Why would any more hunks of bound printed
> matter re. the assassination be required after the tablets have been
> brought down from the VB mountain in May 2007?
the short of it: it took Bugliosi 15 years to respond to the Movie
JFK... we have no need for books, David.
think Cinema, Video/DVD and the Internet -- one fell swoop; in 2 hours
- tens of millions of impressions...
Best I see daBugliosi doing is 2500 copies sold ( includes the 500 you
bought :) ) and 2500 donated to any library that will take one... 20+
years of work, hope he didn't quit his day job!
> That'd be akin to searching for your lost car keys in the sofa
> cushions even AFTER you've already found them! Not even a CT-Kook is
> THAT silly...are you?
Vince dosent't hold a candle to Mark Lane -- and THAT is Vince's
fear... Lane is out there, somewhere watching and I suspect,
waiting... That's a consequence no Lone Nutter wants to face, are YOU
that silly, David?
eca...@tx.rr.com
To photo retouching expert
Davie Boy Healy:
WE know WHY you so quickly
ducked out and then
F A D E D
A W A Y
on the photo retouching of
BadgeMan and your nUtTy
plagiarism charge you
couldn't document<=================
don't we
Davie
Boy?
MR ;~D
David Von Pein
Boy, the above is a fabulous argument indeed. (If you're a kook of
some kind.) <chuckle>
Translation: You and millions of Americans have the attention span of
a 7-year-old. How nice.
>>> "Best I see daBugliosi doing is 2500 copies sold (includes the 500 you bought)." <<<
We "Disinfo Agents/WC-VB Shills" get our 500 copies for nothing, you
goof.
>>> "Vince doesn't hold a candle to Mark Lane -- and THAT is Vince's fear... Lane is out there, somewhere watching and I suspect, waiting." <<<
Great. In addition to being a crappy JFK case investigator who would
do whatever it takes to make his conspiracy "fit", Lane's now a
stalker too. Nice image you painted there.
But comparing Mark Lane to Vince B. is like comparing Johnny Bench
(Bugliosi) to Bob Uecker (Lane).
Lane deliberately skewed evidence in "Rush To Judgment", without a
speck of a doubt (the "Doorway Man" crap being an excellent example
for starters).....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/85d4d330812f3728
Lane, of course, also practically twisted Helen Markham's arms clean
off, trying to push a "bushy-haired" killer down the lady's gullet!
Lane is/was a shameful, reprehensible, opportunistic weasel (at least
re. the JFK case at any rate).
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The (tentative) Table of Contents for "Reclaiming History" (Chapter 18
should interest the Mark Lane buffs; but Chapter 13 will be my
favorite, no doubt):
Dedication
Introduction
1.) "Four Days In November"
2.) "The Investigations"
3.) "President Kennedy's Autopsy And The Gunshot Wounds To Kennedy And
Governor Connally"
4.) "The Most Famous Home Movie Ever, The 'Magic Bullet', And The
Single-Bullet Theory"
5.) "Lee Harvey Oswald"
6.) "Oswald's Ownership And Possession Of The Rifle Found On The Sixth
Floor"
7.) "Identification Of The Weapon"
8.) "Oswald At The Sniper's Nest And 'Evidence' Of His Innocence"
9.) "Motive"
10.) "The Grassy Knoll"
11.) "A Conversation With Dr. Cyril Wecht"
12.) "Secret Service Agents On The Grassy Knoll"
13.) "The Zanies (And Others) Have Their Say"
14.) "Other Assassins"
15.) "Summary Of Oswald's Guilt"
16.) "Introduction To Conspiracy"
17.) "History Of The Conspiracy Movement"
18.) "Mark Lane"
19.) "Mysterious And Suspicious Deaths"
20.) "The Second Oswald"
21.) "David Lifton And Alterations Of The President's Body"
22.) "Ruby And The Mob"
23.) "Organized Crime"
24.) "CIA"
25.) "FBI"
26.) "Secret Service"
27.) "KGB"
28.) "Right Wing"
29.) "LBJ"
30.) "Cuba"
31.) "The Odio Incident And Anti-Castro Cuban Exiles"
32.) "Cover-Up By Federal Agencies Of Alleged Conspiracy To Murder
President Kennedy"
33.) "Jim Garrison's Prosecution Of Clay Shaw And Oliver Stone's Movie
'JFK'"
34.) "Conclusion Of No Conspiracy"
35.) "The Murder Trial Of Jack Ruby"
36.) "A Conversation With Marina"
37.) "Kennedy-Lincoln Coincidences"
38.) "The People And Groups Involved In The Plot To Kill Kennedy"
39.) "Epilogue"
40.) "In Memoriam"
Acknowledgments
Bibliography
Index
David Von Pein
"Bugliosi's presentation of this material is so deft, so strong, that
there is little need for him to turn his skills against the conspiracy
theorists who argue otherwise. But he does, determined to give each
theory the honest, probing review to which most have never been
exposed. It is a sight to behold. When Bugliosi lays into a bad
argument, he attacks without mercy. He hammers again and again,
challenging flawed logic with heavy fists."
-- Via L.A. Times review for "Reclaiming History"