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मैसब तोपिच्को पढ़ता हु.मेरे दिमागमे कुछ सुजाव आये है,उसको प्रस्तुत करता हु.क्या हमें सहीमे आज़ादी मिली है?हमारी आज़ादी विदेशी महासत्ताने छीनली है.

-हमारी आर्थिक निति सहीमे rbi-  तय करती है?नहीं.येवर्ल्ड बैंक के   लो के हिसाबसे हो रही है. हमारी शिक्षा निति भले HR ministry तय कराती होगी अपनी    मिनिस्ट्री UNISCO के आदेशो के मुताबित ही काम करती है.अपनी HEALTH MINISTRY भी  WHO के अदेशोके अनुसार ही काम करती है.हमारी COMRCE MINISTRY भी WTO के अदेशोपे काम करती है.तो क्या हम आजाद है?गांधीजीने नमक्के लिए सत्याग्रह किया था मगर हम आज नमक्पे ३००% टेक्स दे रहे है. ----- Forwarded message ----------
(२) henry mekove canadian writer ने एक पुस्तक लिखा है,नाम है:iluminety.इस पुस्तकमे बताया गया है की how this iluminety making slave to whole world.  <bharatswabhima...@googlegroups.com>

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 Topic: Aeroplane was invented in Bharat

satish dargan <satish...@yahoo.co.in> Aug 14 09:36PM +0530 ^

 
Thanks for yr mail.
According to Vedic Metaphysics, (Varanasi: Motilal Banarsidas, 1970), Jagadguru
Bharati Krishna Tirtha says:
"Bharata, Bha means light and knowledge, and rata means devoted.  Hence Bharata
means devoted to light as against darkness.  So Bharata is not the name of a
mere geographical entity placed in some corner of the world and having its
geographical, topographical and other limitation, Bharata stands for every
individual soul that has this idea of light, the dedication to the light as
against immersion in darkness. So we speak of the light that God's creation of
the world began with, and we think of the Light that India claims to be its
chief aspiration, its chief, its most important and most valued goal..
Thanks & rgds, satish
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Tue, 10 August, 2010 3:33:59 AM
Subject: [BST] Aeroplane was invented in Bharat
 
Dear Shri Kumar,
 
It seems that you have not thought upon Bharat logically and with open mind.
 
Your knowledge about Bharat is incomplete. Bharat is not name of a geographical
area. Bharat is a lifestyle, it is a culture, it is a concept of one ness in
diversity which Britishers destroyed.
 
I do agree that a few things they started new, but it was for their convenience
to rule, not for the benefit of Bharat. Also, some technology they started but
more than than they destroyed which was suitable for the prosperity of BHARAT.
 
अंग्रेजों से पहले धर्म के नाम पर दंगे इस देश में पहले कभी नहीं हुए. नफरत का बीज
अंग्रेजों ने बहुत सोची समझी साजिश के तहत बोया और आज़ादी के बाद उसे और भी ज्यादा
हवा सत्ता के लिए दी गयी.
 
क्या बिना तकनीक के ही भारत विश्व का एक तिहाई निर्यात अंग्रेजों के आने के पहले
करता था? यहाँ के technology  को systematically ख़त्म कर दिया गया साथ ही यहाँ के
बारे में नकारात्मक विचार शिक्षा व्यस्था को बदल कर हर भारतीय के दिमाग में भर दिया
गया. आज़ादी के बाद भी सही अर्थों में आज़ादी नहीं आई और अंग्रेजों की बनाई नीतियां
ही चलती रहीं और भारत की लूट और बर्बादी आज भी चल रही है.
 
How many of us know about Shri Tarpade had invented aeroplane before Right
Brothers based on Vedas. It is said that Right Brothers got the technology
through one Britisher who betrayed him.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivkar_Bapuji_Talpade
 
 
Bharateeya people failed mostly due to backstabbers among themselves. They have
lost their self esteem and self respect. They do not believe the truth about
themselves and enjoy thinking Bharat as begger, poor, having no great past.
 
भारत के बारे में अफवाहें अंग्रेजों ने फैलाएँ थीं. उनके अनुसार भारत बन्दर
नचानेवालों और संपेरों का देश था तो क्या वे लोग यहाँ बीन बजाना  और बन्दर नचाना
सीखने के लिए आये थे? हजारों किलो सोना चांदी हीरे और जवाहरात लूटकर आज वो अमीर बन
बैठे हैं उसके लिए आप जैसे लोगों की मानसिकता जिम्मेदार है.
 
धन्यवाद,
 
राकेश चन्द्र
 
 
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>prakriti-a-call-to-return...@googlegroups.com.
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>http://groups.google.com/group/prakriti-a-call-to-return-to-the-nature?hl=en.
 
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 Topic: Needs serious circulation

"Prakriti (A call to return to the nature)" <prakri...@gmail.com> Aug 14 06:54PM +0530 ^

 
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: DEWAN SATISH <cold...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Subject: Needs serious circulation
To:
 
 
*This letter needs serious circulation...*
 
 
 
 
*We need a permanent solution to this tussle over emoluments so that
the**armed
forces need only confront the enemies of the nation**, says T.R.Ramaswami
IAS.**
 
In the continuing debate on pay scales for the armed forces, there has to be
a serious and transparent effort to ensure that the country is not faced
with an unnecessary civil-military confrontation.That effort will have to
come from the netas, who are the real and true bosses of the armed forces
and not the civil bureaucracy. A solution may lie in what follows. This
country requires the best armed forces, the best police and the best civil
service. In fact that is what the British ensured.. By best one means that a
person chooses which service he wants as per his desires/capabilities and
not based on the vast differential in prospects in the variousservices. *
 
 
*How much differential is* *there?*
 
*Take Maharashtra, one of the most parsimonious with police ranks** **thus
still retaining some merit - *
*The 1981 IPS batch have become 3-star generals, the 1987 are 2-star and the
1994 1-star. *
 
*In the army the corresponding years are 1972, 1975, 1979. – ie a**
**differential
of **10-15**years. While the differential is more with the** **IAS, the
variance with the IPS is all the more glaring because both **are uniformed
services and the grades are "visible" on the shoulders.*
 
*First some general aspects. Only the armed forces are a real profession –
ie where you rise to the top only by joining at the bottom. We have had
professors of economics become Finance Secretaries or even Governors of RBI.
We have any number of MBBSs,engineers, MBAs, in the police force though what
theirqualifications lend to their jobs is a moot point. You can join at any
level in the civil service, except Cabinet Secretary. A civil servant can
move from Animal Husbandry to Civil Aviation to Fertilisers to Steel to yes,
unfortunately, even to Defence.. * *But the army never asks for Brigade
Commanders or a Commandant of the Army War College or even Director General
Military Intelligence, even from RAW or IB. Army officers can and have moved
into organizations like IB and RAW** **but it is never the other way round.
MBBS and Law graduates are only in the Medical or JAG Corps and do nothing
beyond their narrow areas. Every Army Chief - in any army - has risen from
being a commander of a platoon to company to battalion to brigade to
division to corps to army.In fact the professionalism is so intense that no
non-armoured corps officer ever commands an armoured formation – first and
possibly only exception in world military history – General K.
Sunderji.**Perhaps
it is this outstanding professionalism that irks the civil services.*
 
 
*Next, one must note the rigidity and steep pyramid of the army's rank
structure. In the civil services any post is fungible with any grade based
on political expediency and the desires of the service. For example I know
of one case where one department downgraded one post in another state and
up-graded one in Mumbai just to enable someone continue in Mumbai after
promotion! *
 
 
*You can't fool around like this in the armed forces. A very good Brigadier
cannot be made a Major-General and continue as brigade commander. There has
to be a clear vacancy for a Major General and even then there may be others
better than him. Further the top five ranks in the army comprise only 10% of
the officer strength. Contrast this with the civil services where** entire
batches become Joint Secretaries.*
 
 
*Even the meaning of the word**"merit"** is vastly different in the army and
the civil services. Some years back an officer of the Maharashtra cadre
claimed that he should be the Chief Secretary as he was first in the merit
list.**Which merit list? At the time of entry more than 35 years before! The
fact is that this is how merit** **is decided in the IAS and IPS.** Every
time a batch gets promoted the inter-se merit is still retained as at the
time of entry. In other words if you are first in a batch at the time of
entry, then as long as you get promoted, you continue to remain first! This
is like someone in the army claiming that he should become chief because he
got the Sword of Honour at the IMA. Even a Param Vir Chakra does not count
for promotion, assuming that you are still alive. **In the armed forces,
merit is a continuous process - each time a batch is promoted the merit list
is redrawn according to your performance in all the previous assignments
with additional weightage given not only to the last one but also to your
suitability for the next one.** Thus if you are a Brigade Commander and
found fit to become a Major General, you may not get a division because
others have been found better to** **head a division. That effectively puts
an end to your promotion to Lt. General.The compensation package must
therefore address all the above issues. In each service, anyone must get the
same total compensation by the time he reaches the **'mode rank'** of his
service. "Mode" is a statistical term “ **the value where the maximum number
of variables fall. *
 
 
*In the IAS normally everyone reaches **Director** and in the IPS it is **
DIG**. In the army, given the aforementioned rank and grade rigidities and
pyramidical structure, the mode rank cannot exceed**Colonel**. Thus a
Colonel's gross career earnings (not salary scales alone) must be at par
with that of a Director. But remember that a Colonel retires at 54, but
every babu from peon to Secretary at 60 regardless of performance.Further,
it takes **18-20** years to become a Colonel whereas in that time an IAS
officer reaches the next higher grade of **Joint Secretary**, which is
considered equal to a Major General.These aspects and others - like postings
in non-family stations - must be addressed while fixing the overall pay
scales of Colonel and below. Thereafter a Brigadier will be made equal to a
Joint Secretary, a Major-General to an Additional Secretary and a Lt.
General to a Secretary. The Army Commanders deserve a new rank -Colonel
General - and should be above a Secretary but below Cabinet Secretary. The
equalization takes place at the level of Cabinet Secretary and Army Chief.*
**
*If this is financially a problem I have another solution. Without
increasing** **the armed forces' scales,** **reduce the scales of the IAS
and IPS till they too have 20% shortage.*
 
*Done?** *
 
*Even India 's corruption index will go down*.
 
*If the above is accepted in principle, there is a good case to review the
number of posts above Colonel. Senior ranks in the armed forces have become
devalued with more and more posts being created.But the same pruning
exercise is necessary in the IAS and more so in** **the IPS, where Directors
General in some states are re-writing police manuals eg one is doing Volume
I and another Volume II!** *
 
*Further the civil services have such facilities as "compulsory wait" ie “
basically a picnic at taxpayers cost. And if you are not promoted or posted
where you don't want to go they seem able to take off on leave with much
ease. In the army you will be court-martialled. Also find out how many are
on study leave. The country cannot afford this**.*
 
*Let not someone say that the IAS and IPS exams are tougher and hence the
quality of the officers better. An exam at the age of 24 has to be tougher
than one at the age of 16. The taxpaying citizen is not interested in your
essay/note writing capabilities or whether you know Cleopatra's grandfather.
*
 
*As a citizen **I always see the army being called to hold the pants of the
civil services and the police and never the other way round. That's enough
proof as to who is really more capable.** Also recall the insensitive
statements made by the IG Meerut in the Aarushi case and the Home Secretary
after the blasts. Further, when the IAS and IPS hopefuls are sleeping,
eating and studying, their school mates, who have joined the army, stand
vigil on the borders to make it* *possible for them to do so. Remember that the
armed forces can only fight for above the table pay.** **They can never
compete with the civil services and definitely not with the police for the
under the table variety.*
 
*Finally, there is one supreme national necessity. The political class, not
the bureaucracy - which represents the real civil supremacy better become
more savvy on matters relating to the armed forces. Till then they are at
the mercy of the civil service, who frequently play their own little war
games. At ministerial level there are some very specialized departments eg “
Finance, Railways,Security (Home), Foreign and Defence, where split second
decisions are necessary. It is always possible to find netas savvy in
finance, foreign relations and railways. Security has been addressed in
getting a former IPS officer as NSA at the level of a MoS.* *Is it time that
a professional is also brought into the Defence Ministry as MoS? The sooner
the better. In fact this will be better than a CoDS because the armed forces
will have someone not constrained by the Army Act or Article 33 of the
Constitution.Of course the loudest howls will come from the babus. The
netas must realize that a divide and rule policy cannot work where the
country's security is concerned. Recall 1962? *
 
 
*Our army, already engaged in activities not core to their functions,
including rescuing babies from borewells (!), should not have to engage in
civil wars over their pay scales. I only hope our defence minister or anyone
who would take a reasonable stand for defence forces ever gets to see this
article.**
 
**It would definitely affect any person with an iota of integrity*
 
 
 
 
--
With regards to all,
------Mukund Apte
 
 
 
--
Thanks and Regards,
 
Prakriti Aarogya Kendra
 
Specialty Store of Organic, Ayurvedic, Herbal, Natural & Swadeshi Products
 
Shop No. 2, Buena Vista,
Off Datta Mandir Chowk,
Near Kailas Super Market
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 Topic: हिन्दी 2050 तक अंतर्राष्ट्रीय भाषा होगी

"शशांक उपाध्याय " <sanaata...@gmail.com> Aug 13 04:09PM -0400 ^

 
भाई गोपाल कृष्ण जी
हिंदी में जितनी अक्षमताएं हैं वे उतनी नहीं हैं जितनी अंग्रेजी या अन्य किसी
भाषा में पायी जा सकती हैं.
हिंदी का उद्गम और विकास जिन परिस्थितियों में हुआ है उनका विश्लेषण करने से
आपको ये ज्ञान हो जायेगा कि भारतीय उदारवादी चरित्र के कारण हिंदी ने लगभग
समस्त संभाषण करने वाली अन्य संस्कृतियों एवं सभ्यताओं के समस्त गुण धर्म अपना
लिए.
 
आज जिन भी कारणों से हिंदी में कठिनाईयां व्यक्ति महसूस करता है वे अन्य कारणों
कि अपेक्षा अपने हिंदी के प्रति आलस्य और उपेक्षा कि वजह से करता है.
पता नहीं नहीं क्यों आप जैसे बुद्धिजीवी को भी हिंदी या अन्य भारतीय भाषाओँ से
वैर है?
 
और रही बात भाषा के वैज्ञानिक या व्याकरणिक पक्ष की तो हमको ध्यान में रखना
चाहिए की भाषा का मनुष्य के साथ सम्बन्ध किस तरह का है?
 
जितना सहज, सुव्यवस्थित और मौलिक होगी भाषा की बाह्य अभिव्यक्ति उतनी ही सरल
और सुव्यवस्थित हो पायेगी व्यक्ति की ज्ञान की तरफ यात्रा और अंत में ज्ञान
द्वारा अंतर्यात्रा.
 
चूँकि हिंदी का निर्माण एक प्रकार के सांस्कृतिक और सभ्यता की मेलजोल के लिए
हुआ लेकिन फिर भी कुछ मूल और अतिमहत्वपूर्ण तत्त्व हिंदी ने अपनी माता संस्कृत
से प्राप्त किये.
 
हम बिना पूरे जाने किसी भी गूढ़ तत्त्व को अधूरा या सुधार योग्य कहने में बिलकुल
देर नहीं लगाते परन्तु हम को क्या ये नहीं देखना चाहिए की हम उस तत्व के बारे
में कितना गहरे से जानते हैं?
हमको सोचना चाहिए कि
*भाषा का प्राणों, मस्तिष्क की कार्य करने की क्षमता, एवं ब्रह्माण्ड से लेकर
इस स्थूल संसार में सब जगह बिखरी हुई सूचनाओं का ज्ञान करने में क्या सम्बन्ध
है?*
*और भाषा में कौन से ऐसे गुण होने चाहिए जिससे कि सबसे कम समय में और बिना किसी
सन्देश को खोये हुए एक मनुष्य दूसरे मनुष्य से संवाद कर सके.
*
भारतीय दर्शन ने एक अनूठे और ज्ञान विज्ञान से ओतप्रोत विचार का प्रतिपादन किया
है की ये सारा ब्रह्माण्ड एक सत्ता शब्द की ही विभिन्न अभिव्यक्ति है. जिसकी
विभिन्न आवृतियाँ ही प्रकट संसार का रूप धारण करती हैं. ये शब्द ही हैं जिनमे
सूचना की ऊर्जा लीन रहती है.
*इस शरीर में भी हर अंग, नाड़ी, भाग, के कुछ उर्जा प्रवाह हैं जिनसे ये शरीर
अपने सारे काम और सूचनाएं एक दूसरे अंग और नाड़ी इत्यादि के साथ बहुत
ही सूक्ष्म समय एवं अवरोध के पूर्ण करता है.*
*इन्हीं अंगों, नाड़ी इत्यादि के अपने अपने कुछ विशेष स्पंदन हैं जिनके द्वारा
ये आपस में संवाद करते हैं.इन स्पंदनों के भीतर ही ज्ञान या सूचना लीन रहती
हैं.*
**
अगर आपका तंत्रिका तंत्र आपके मष्तिष्क तक जो भी सूचना पहुंचाता है उनके क्रम
या प्राथमिकता को कभी बदल दे तो उसी समय पूरे शरीर में एक गतिरोध हो
जाता है जिसको स्थितियों के आधार पे अलग अलग नामों से जाना जाता है.
लेकिन फिर भी मैं ये कहूँगा कि सारी भाषाएँ अच्छी हैं परन्तु कसौटी करते समय
हमें याद रखना होगा कि सबसे सरल और मौलिक उपाय कौन सा है जिससे सूचना का पूरा
पूरा और बिना अर्थ खोये आदान प्रदान हो सके.
लेकिन केवल न सीखने के अपने आलस्य और अकर्म के कारण भारतीय भाषाओं में कमियों
को ढूढ़ने वालों कैसे समझ आएगा कि सरल, सहज और मौलिक मार्ग कौन सा है और कठिन,
दुस्तर और अस्वाभाविक मार्ग कौन सा?
*मैं इस विषय के विस्तार यानि पूंछ कटे में detail ( de+tail) में नहीं जाऊंगा
क्योंकि विषय का प्रसंग यानि चोर अभिलेख context (con+text) बदल जायेगा.*
है न ?
 
आपका
शशांक


 

Gopal Krishna <gopalkrish...@gmail.com> Aug 13 05:38PM -0400 ^

 
बहुत सारी बातें मित्रों ने कही| भाषा का सतत विकास होना चाहिए| बुद्ध जैसे
महान लोगों ने अपनी सारी बात पाली में की| और बुद्ध की विचारणा काफी गूढ़ थी|
बुद्ध ने यह गलत साबित कर दिया कि संस्कृत के बिना अन्य भाषायों में अध्यात्मिक
मार्गदर्शन नहीं किया जा सकता - यह बात और भी महत्त्वपूर्ण है क्यूंकि बुद्ध
के 500 शिष्य आत्म-ज्ञानी थे जबकि अधिकांस गुरुओं को 10 -12 भी आत्म-ग्यानी
शिष्य नहीं मिलें| आज के समय में में ओशो, स्वामी sivananda (
http://www.dlshq.org/download/download.htm) जैसे आत्म-ज्ञानी संतो के
अंग्रेजी भाषा में लिखे साहित्य को देखता हूँ, तो मुझे कभी नहीं लगा कि
expressiveness में कमी है|
 
इसलिए मेरे विचार से अंग्रेजी का expressiveness भी अच्छा है| हां,
pronunciation system में भरी गड़बड़ी है - लेकिन २-३ हजार शब्दों के
pronounciation पर पाकर होने के बाद, अंग्रेजी में वार्तालाप भी आसान ही हो
जाता है| यदि हम विनम्र भाव से देखें तो अंग्रेजी के कारण आज एक chinese , एक
indian , एक australian , एक korean , एक african , एक european और एक american
एक साथ communicate करता है| अंग्रेजी इतनी ख़राब भाषा होती तो विज्ञानं और
तकनिकी की भाषा नहीं बन पाती| इसमें काफी precision है| तो यदि कोई भाषा
विज्ञानं, तकनिकी एवं अध्यात्म (just read any of 80 books from this list
http://www.dlshq.org/download/download.htm to find out how well all topics
have been covered in English as well) सभी में उच्च कोटि का expressiveness
रखती है और साथ ही विभिन्न देशों के बुद्धिजीविओं के लिए communication का
माध्यम बन गया है, तो उसे एक-दो कमियों के कारण निचा दिखाने की कोशिश करना मजाक
मात्र है| स्वामी विवेकानंद ने अंग्रेजी और हिंदी दोनों भाषाओँ में बहुत सारी
चीजे लिखी थी| Please read some of his quotes here -
https://gopal4mission.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/greatly-inspiring-quotes-of-swami-vivekananda/
-
where did you find any weakness in expressiveness?
 
Tamil, Hindi, English, Bengali and few hundred more languages of the world
are all very expressive. Why did then English became international language?
Because of the British empire's spread all over the world. But, English
should be considered a good bye-product of otherwise evil British empire
rather than a symbol of slavery. It is a sign of inferiority complex rather
than nationalism to reject something just because it has come from a nation
which enslaved us.
 
There have been a lot of talk about English being a symbol of our slavery
which conveniently forgets about the great collaboration that has been made
possible due to English among all the disciplines including science,
technology, management, finance & humanities. That's the reason why these
anti-English talks do not cut any ice with intelligentsia of any country. It
is possible to avoid English to a great extent (which we should surely do -
I seldom talk in English, but due to time-problem, write in English most of
the times as translation feature in any software takes time), but at higher
level of knowledge, we need collaboration between scientists, researchers
and intellectuals of all disciplines and fields; and English enables that
across various nations of the world. So, let us respect and learn English
due to this exceptionally important reason, without neglecting our national
and regional languages.
 
I was thinking about international efforts to reform English pronunciation
system to make it easy, but it will require lots of efforts from linguistic
experts of many nations. Hopefully, it will happen in future and English
will serve the world as an international language till a better language is
accepted by mankind. Like many of you, I am not convinced that Hindi or
Sanskrit is better than English; at the same time I cannot say even that
English is better than Hindi or Sanskrit. I find all these languages
English, Bengali, Hindi, Tamil, Sanskrit, etc equally good and expressive.
Each of them could have become an international language if international
empire would have adopted that language like British empire did with
English.
 
Thanks,
Gopal
 
2010/8/13 शशांक उपाध्याय <sanaata...@gmail.com>
 
 
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"शशांक उपाध्याय " <sanaata...@gmail.com> Aug 14 12:33AM -0400 ^

 
गोपाल जी
*आपको शायद बुद्धिजीवी बनने के चक्कर में सात्विकता के भ्रमात्मक बुखार ने घेर
रखा है.* परमात्मा आपको शीघ्र ठीक करे.
जो गौतम बुद्ध के पाली में देशना देने वाली बात है सो शायद बात इतनी गूढ़ हो गयी
कि तभी भारत में किसी के समझ नहीं आई और सारे शिष्यों को उत्तर दिशा में चीन
जाना पडा.
*खैर अधिक विस्तार में जाने कि बजाय आपको इतना ही कहूँगा कि आपको तो भारतीय
भाषाओँ को नीचा दिखाने में कोई शर्म नहीं आएगी लेकिन मुझे आ रही है ? क्यों ?*
*क्योंकि अभी तक आप जैसे लोग है भारत में जो झूठे आध्यात्मिकता के चोले को अपने
शब्दों में ओढ़कर केवल बौद्धिक विलास में ही लिप्त रहकर भ्रमात्मक सात्विकता के
दिवास्वप्न में जी रहे हैं और अपने साथ दूसरे लोगों के भावो को छल रहे हैं.*
बड़ी बड़ी बातें और दूसरों के विकास और सुधार की योजनायें बना लेने से कोई
आध्यात्मिक नहीं बनता.
अगर सच्ची आध्यात्मिकता रत्ती भर भी है तो स्वामी विवेकानंद और बुद्ध का उदाहरण
देने से पहले जाओ और पढो और अपना उथला ज्ञान सुधारों कि उन्होंने किसी
अवैज्ञानिक , अप्राकृतिक और विदेशी भाषा और स्थान का चुनाव क्यों किया और उससे
पहले उन्होंने अपने देश भाषा के लिया कितना काम किया?
आप की बुद्धि को परमात्मा अपना आश्रय दे इसी कामना के साथ
शशांक


 

"Prakriti (A call to return to the nature)" <prakri...@gmail.com> Aug 14 06:28PM +0530 ^

 
बन्धु गोपाल जी,
 
चाहे जो भी हो, हिंदी हमारी अपनी भाषा है और हम चाहे जिस किसी भी भाषा का
गुणगान कर लें, हमारी मौलिक सोच, तार्किक क्षमता, बुद्धिमानी इत्यादि हिंदी से
अधिक किसी और भाषा में नहीं आ सकती. हम अंग्रेजी और अंग्रेजों से इतने ज्यादा
प्रभावित है की हमें हमारा स्वाभिमान भी हीन भावना नजर आने लगता हैं. देखा जाये
तो स्वाभिमान, हीन भावना और घमंड तीनो के बीच बहुत ही पतली रेखा है और उन तीनों
को एक दूसरे की जगह हम अपनी अपनी सोच और नजरिये के कारण गड्ड मड्ड कर कुछ और
मान बैठते हैं. हमें गुलामी और गुलामी की निशानियों को छोड़ना होगा और स्वतंत्र
विचारधारा को अपनाना होगा तभी इस देश का भला होगा.
 
स्वतंत्रता के ६३ वर्ष बाद भी हम मानसिक गुलाम हैं और इसका कारण मैकॉले की
शिक्षा पद्धति है जिसका उद्देश्य ही हमें बौद्धिक स्तर पर दिवालिया करना था. वह
अपने लक्ष्य में सफल रहा है. आप जैसे बुद्धिजीवी भी उसके जाल में फंसे हैं और
उससे बाहर निकलने में असफल हैं या फंसे रहने को विवश हैं, यह हमारा
दुर्भाग्य है.
 
आपने गौतम बुद्ध का उदाहरण दिया है. उन्होंने पाली भाषा होते हुए भी चीन और
जापान में (बिना अंग्रेजी) धर्म और संस्कृति का प्रचार किया था.
 
धन्यवाद्,
राकेश
 
 
 
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Gopal Krishna <gopalkrish...@gmail.com> Aug 14 09:10AM -0400 ^

 
धन्यवाद शशांक जी, आपके इस विचार से सहमत तो नहीं हूँ कि मेरी बातों में
भारतीय भाषाओं का कोई अपना अपमान था, लेकिन आपकी परमात्मा से मुझे मार्गदर्शन
मिले, इस शुभेच्छा से हार्दिक प्रसन्नता हुई|
 
यदि आप किसी formal debate में इस तरह की भाषा का प्रयोग करेंगे तो मुझे नहीं
लगता कि इसे कोई सही समझेगा| अतः थोड़ा सा भाषा-सुधार पर ध्यान देने का कष्ट
करें| इससे आप अपने विचार-सम्प्रेषण को ज्यादा प्रभावशाली बना सकेंगे और अन्य
लोग जो आपके विचार सुनेगें, उनके अन्दर भारत स्वाभिमान की छवि भी अच्छी रहेगी
(संगठन की छवि तो संगठन के नेतृत्व और कार्यकर्ताओं के विचार-व्यवहार से ही तो
बनती है ना)|
 
व्यक्तिगत तौर पर में सुबह प्रत्येक दिन 1 घंटा ध्यान करने की आदत के कारण
काफी "thick-skinned" हूँ - सो, मेरे साथ जिस तरह की भाषा का प्रयोग करने की
इच्छा हो, बिना संकोच करें - ध्यान में होनेवाले प्रगति की इससे वास्तविक
परीक्षा भी होगी जिससे अपना ही भला है| लेकिन public के बीच थोड़ा संयमशील भाषा
का प्रयोग करने का अभ्यास बनाये उसी में भारत स्वाभिमान को ज्यादा अच्छा result
मिल सकेगा|
 
धन्वाद|
गोपाल
 
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Subject: Re: [BST] हिन्दी 2050 तक अंतर्राष्ट्रीय भाषा होगी
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गोपाल जी
*आपको शायद बुद्धिजीवी बनने के चक्कर में सात्विकता के भ्रमात्मक बुखार ने घेर
रखा है.* परमात्मा आपको शीघ्र ठीक करे.
जो गौतम बुद्ध के पाली में देशना देने वाली बात है सो शायद बात इतनी गूढ़ हो
गयी कि तभी भारत में किसी के समझ नहीं आई और सारे शिष्यों को उत्तर दिशा में
चीन जाना पडा.
*खैर अधिक विस्तार में जाने कि बजाय आपको इतना ही कहूँगा कि आपको तो भारतीय
भाषाओँ को नीचा दिखाने में कोई शर्म नहीं आएगी लेकिन मुझे आ रही है ? क्यों ?*
*क्योंकि अभी तक आप जैसे लोग है भारत में जो झूठे आध्यात्मिकता के चोले को अपने
शब्दों में ओढ़कर केवल बौद्धिक विलास में ही लिप्त रहकर भ्रमात्मक सात्विकता के
दिवास्वप्न में जी रहे हैं और अपने साथ दूसरे लोगों के भावो को छल रहे हैं.*
बड़ी बड़ी बातें और दूसरों के विकास और सुधार की योजनायें बना लेने से कोई
आध्यात्मिक नहीं बनता.
अगर सच्ची आध्यात्मिकता रत्ती भर भी है तो स्वामी विवेकानंद और बुद्ध का उदाहरण
देने से पहले जाओ और पढो और अपना उथला ज्ञान सुधारों कि उन्होंने किसी
अवैज्ञानिक , अप्राकृतिक और विदेशी भाषा और स्थान का चुनाव क्यों किया और उससे
पहले उन्होंने अपने देश भाषा के लिया कितना काम किया?
आप की बुद्धि को परमात्मा अपना आश्रय दे इसी कामना के साथ
शशांक
 
 
 
 
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 Topic: AT LEAST ONE HONESTLY SPEAKING CENTRAL GOVT. MINISTER

Ganesh P Sharma <ganesh...@acclimited.com> Aug 14 09:01AM +0530 ^

 
Om
 
This is a bold step in a party where governmental decisions are kept on
hold for weeks when any member of GANDHI clan is out of nation.
This self awakening is a encouraging news and a indication that SWAMI JI's
initiatives are bearing fruit directly or indirectly. "DESH HIT
SARVOPARI".
 
VANDE MATRAM
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Date:
08/13/2010 07:46 PM
Subject:
[BST] AT LEAST ONE HONESTLY SPEAKING CENTRAL GOVT. MINISTER
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Dear All,
 
From today's HT :
 
Centre believes that R14,000 crore... can solve Naxalism whereas it has
given thousands of crores for plundering on commonwealth Games.
M A N I S H A N K A R A I YA R
: Former Union Minister Mani Shankar Aiyar on Thursday blamed the Central
government's development model for exploitation of tribals and accused
UPA-1 of being callous towards empowerment of poor through Panchayati Raj
bodies.
“For five years as a Panchayati Raj minister I did not have an office,“
Aiyar said at a conference on exploitation of tribals in Nyamgiri Hills in
Orissa in the name of Posco Steel plant. “The (Panchayati Raj) ministry
was housed in Samrat Hotel for which the government gave Rfive crore.“
Aiyar said no one listened to him on empowerment of panchayats in UPA-1.
“The Central government could have given direction to states to implement
panchayati raj laws such as PESA (Panchayat Extension to Scheduled Areas
Act) but the government was not willing to take the initiative.“
Aiyar further said the government was being run for 100 most rich people
in India, who have one-fourth of the country's wealth, and it went against
the Congress slogan of “Congress ka haath aam adami ka saath“ in presence
of party general secretary Digvijay Singh.
Highly critical of present development model, Aiyar said, “tribals need
azadi (freedom) from development“ and described the present model as a
“crime perpetuated“ on the rural poor.
“I am shocked to read that the Centre believes that R14,000 crore through
Integrated Action Plan can solve naxalism whereas it has given thousands
of crores for plundering on commonwealth Games.“
 
 
 
 
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Raj Kumar Pandey <pandey....@ymail.com> Aug 13 10:31PM -0700 ^

 
From
Raj Kumar Pandey
Yog Teacher from Noida
9868962804
 
To all Bharat Swabhiman members,
 
If Sh. Manishankar Aiyer is really concerned about the plight of his countrymen,
he should first resign from Congress, form his own organisation, like Param
Pujya Swami Ramdevji, and work for the welfare of majoirity of indians who are
poorer than they were at the time of independence.  The only solution for all of
us is Swadeshi instead of centralised western model of development, which had
been forcibly imposed on the entire country under international pressure and
which has failed totally leading to violent protest everywhere. 
 
 
________________________________
From: Ashok Sawhney <sawhne...@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 6:26:08 PM
Subject: [BST] AT LEAST ONE HONESTLY SPEAKING CENTRAL GOVT. MINISTER
 
 
 
Dear All,
 
From today's HT :
 
Centre believes that R14,000 crore... can solve Naxalism whereas it has given
thousands of crores for plundering on commonwealth Games.
M A N I S H A N K A R A I YA R: Former Union Minister Mani Shankar Aiyar on
Thursday blamed the Central government's development model for exploitation of
tribals and accused UPA-1 of being callous towards empowerment of poor through
Panchayati Raj bodies.
 
“For five years as a Panchayati Raj minister I did not have an office,“ Aiyar
said at a conference on exploitation of tribals in Nyamgiri Hills in Orissa in
the name of Posco Steel plant. “The (Panchayati Raj) ministry was housed in
Samrat Hotel for which the government gave Rfive crore.“ Aiyar said no one
listened to him on empowerment of panchayats in UPA-1.
“The Central government could have given direction to states to implement
panchayati raj laws such as PESA (Panchayat Extension to Scheduled Areas Act)
but the government was not willing to take the initiative.“
Aiyar further said the government was being run for 100 most rich people in
India, who have one-fourth of the country's wealth, and it went against the
Congress slogan of “Congress ka haath aam adami ka saath“ in presence of party
general secretary Digvijay Singh.
Highly critical of present development model, Aiyar said, “tribals need azadi
(freedom) from development“ and described the present model as a “crime
perpetuated“ on the rural poor.
“I am shocked to read that the Centre believes that R14,000 crore through
Integrated Action Plan can solve naxalism whereas it has given thousands of
crores for plundering on commonwealth Games.“ --
 
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"Prakriti (A call to return to the nature)" <prakri...@gmail.com> Aug 14 01:36PM +0530 ^

 
I believe soon he will be expelled from Congress/Ministry. If not, if he
continues there with same temperament, that will help poor people.
 
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Raj Kumar Pandey <
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Shop No. 2, Buena Vista,
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sandeep rana <sandee...@gmail.com> Aug 14 05:12PM +0530 ^

 
Om,
Dear Raj Kumar Pandey g,
 
I have a little different opinion on this. Why you want Mr. aiyr to resign
from congress? We should not put any kind of conditions on someone. If he
wishes to do something good for country let him move on....
 
I don't think Swami g ever asked somebody to join this revolution only after
fulfilling some conditions like this.
 
Vande Mataram
 
 
 
 
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 Topic: Think objectively.

Ganesh P Sharma <ganesh...@acclimited.com> Aug 14 08:35AM +0530 ^

 
Om
 
Dhanyavad, Aapka sujhav uttam hai. lipi videshi hi sahi parantu apne
vichar to vyakt kar sakenge.Bhasha ke madhyam se matr vicharo ke shabdarth
hi nahi balki bhavnavon ko bhi abhvykti milni chahiye.
 
JAI BHARAT ...... VANDE MATRAM
_____________________
 
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ACC Ltd,Kymore Cement Works
PO Kymore,Dist Katni 483 880 (M P)
Phone 09993282227
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From:
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To:
bharatswab...@googlegroups.com
Date:
08/13/2010 09:04 PM
Subject:
Re: [BST] Fwd: Fwd:Think objectively.
Sent by:
bharatswab...@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
jai bharat
 
ganeshji here when software problem is there, like in my case too, we
use Roman Hindi
Mein aap se puri tarah se sehmat hoon. aur mere vichaar se humey kisi
bhi confused Indian ko zyada samjhaney mein apna samay vyrth nahi
karna cheye
kya kehtey aap.
 
Jai Bharat
ajay mehta (www.sgaserv.com)
 
 
> Please forgive me for using english. I deliberately keep this in small
> letters.
 
> I can't understand why some of us have problem with Swami Ramdev Ji.
This is
> fervent example of slavery of 1000 years. Any one, who is trying to
project,
> glorify Bharat Swabhiman should be back-stabbed, ridiculed. We are
suffering
> from a strange disease, Swami Vivekananda Ji pointed this "taking grave
> issues jokingly". We actually lose the power of thoughtful thinking. We
are
> sensual pleasures, the loss of right thinking has to be diminished.
 
> Our students life is major reflection of these. Where we did not learn
> anything about our tradition, scriptures. Until and unless, the
Swabhiman
> for being a Bharatvashi is not capturing our ego, we will continue to
pull
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ajay mehta <sga...@gmail.com> Aug 14 04:35PM +0530 ^

 
Jai Bharat
 
Ganeshji dhynavaad to humey Bharat maa ke Mahan Sput
Subash Chndra Boseji ka karna chahie kynko yeh unke
Azad Bharat mein Pratham Teen Karyon me is ek thha.
 
Mainey kahin pada thha ki Hitlor ko Jawaab dete hue unhone kaha thha
ki Azad Bharat ki ek Language zaroori he, lekin Hindi (Devnagri mei kei
pradeshon mei) nahi aa pai he zabki Angrezi (Roman) ne paanv faila liye hei.
 
Isi liye sarv pratham Hindi, ko roman mein purey Bharat mein lakar, dheerey
dheerey DEVNAGARI mei le aayen ge.
Muzhey Yeh ati Utam laga kynoki isse Non-Hindi Speakin, Writing aur Reading
Bhaeiyon ki samsya bhi hal ho zati he, aur veh kuch kuch Hindi ke karib bhi
aa jatey he
 
Jai Bharat
ajay mehta
 
 


 

 Topic: ब्रिटेन ने कहा मत छूना भारतीयों को

Amit Jaiswal <ajaisw...@gmail.com> Aug 14 10:37AM +0530 ^

 
जय भारत,
 
शायद हम गलत सन्दर्भ में इस खबर को ले रहे हैं. ये निर्देश आने वाले
ओलंपिक खेलो के लिए ब्रिटिश नागरिको को संस्कृति का पाठ पढ़ाने के लिए
उनकी किसी वेबसाइट पर दिया गया है और ये इस्सलिये कि भारतीय लोग बिना जान पहचान
के लोगो से बहुत नजदीक जाना पसंद नहीं करते और अपने आपको छूआना पसंद नहीं करते
है इस्सलिये ब्रिटिश नागरिको को ये निर्देश दे रहे हैं कि अगर भारतीयों को
छूएंगे तो वो इसे अपना अपमान मानेगे.
 
हमें हर बात को गलत सन्दर्भ में लेते हुए अंग्रेजो का पूरा मज़ाक बनाना शोभा
नहीं देता. हमारी संस्कृति में हमेशा से ही दुसरो में अछे देखने कि प्रविरिती
रही है इस लिए आज तक ये बनी हुई है.
 
धन्यवाद,
अमित
2010/8/13 ajay mehta <sga...@gmail.com>
 


 

Vijay Mohan <evija...@gmail.com> Aug 14 02:48PM +0700 ^

 
मैं सहमत हूँ आपसे अमित जी |
 
१४ अगस्त २०१० १२:०७ अपराह्न को, Amit Jaiswal <ajaisw...@gmail.com> ने
लिखा:
 


 

"Prakriti (A call to return to the nature)" <prakri...@gmail.com> Aug 14 01:42PM +0530 ^

 
मैं अमित जी से पूर्ण रूप से सहमत हूँ. उदाहरण के लिए अंग्रेजों के लिए गले
लगाना और चुम्बन देना बहुत सामान्य है, पर भारतीयों के लिए असामान्य. शायद छूने
से उनका तात्पर्य हो की करीब नहीं जाना.
 
 
2010/8/14 Amit Jaiswal <ajaisw...@gmail.com>
 
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Shop No. 2, Buena Vista,
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Near Kailas Super Market
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ajay mehta <sga...@gmail.com> Aug 14 04:25PM +0530 ^

 
Jai Bharat
 
Shyd aap thhik kehte yadi Bhartiyon ka appmaan sehna apney confused Indian
Bhaieyon ki tarj par aata hota.
pahley koi humara APPMAAN karey aur fir bhi hum se sammaan ke asha karey to
yeh kaisa humara swabhimaan hoga.
 
Bharat Maa ke Mahan Sput Gandhiji ne bhi Ahinsa to sarvopari rakha.
Llekin Dwetiye Vishav Yudh mei bahut sarey Congresyion ke manna karney ke
baabzood
"Azgrezo Bharat Chhodo" aur "Karo ya Maro" ka nara de kar Bhartiyon ko
SWABHIMAAN ke baat yaad dilaye thhi.
 
Isi liye apaney Bhartiyon ka sida-sida APMAAN hotey hue bhi yadi hum shant
rahtey hein to veh log humey SAARIF nahi valki Bebkoof ya is se bhi zyada
kuch keh saktey hein.
 
Isi liye doston zin ko is baat mein burai nazar aati hei beh kirpa kar
apaney tak simit rakh kar ab zyda sahen karene par mazboor na kareyn.
 
Doston,
videshiyon ki to Choodo apaney hi Indian rupi converted logo ka ek namuna
dekho.
Kya nahi ho raha is Common Wealth Games ke naam,
yeh sav hum logo ki Chupi va khamakha mei diye ge Sammann ka hi natiza yeh
zo ek AAM BHARTIYA ko Bhugtney par mazboor kar raha hein.
 
assha hei aap meri antar man ki Peeda ko samajh rahey hongey.
Vaisey yahan vyktigat roop se kisi ka apmaan nahi kara gaya, kevwal apaney
Confused Indian Bhaieyon aur Angrezo ka Bhartiyon ke prati Dushprachaar
karne ka Jawaav dene ki kosish ki gei he.
 
Jai Bharat
 
 
 


 

 Topic: Indian Management Service

Gopal Krishna <gopalkrish...@gmail.com> Aug 13 07:52PM -0400 ^

 
Continuing the discussion, but before that some fundamentals on what is
meant by being a good thinker/intellectual (as that is what is the most
painful weakness of our society - we produce too many blind
followers/believers and too less thinkers/intellectuals):
 
 
- *A great life is inspired by love and guided by wisdom. *Love manifests
in life with the purification of our emotions and motives. Wisdom manifests
in life with both the growth of love and the growth of intellectual level.
The intellectual level grows due to (a) a great learning spirit manifested
through regular reading and self-analysis habits; and (b) by courageously
asking questions and sincerely seeking their answers. When we say by
courageously asking questions and sincerely seeking their answers, we must
understand that the first person regarding whom one should ask questions is
oneself. One should first question oneself, one's own beliefs and opinions
and then question anyone else's beliefs and opinions. This is the central
tenet of true questioning spirit and independent thinking. Otherwise the
habit of questioning everyone's beliefs and opinions except one's own
beliefs and opinions will always degenerate into ego-thickening intellectual
retardation. So, friends! Grow in love and wisdom steadily and be a light to
yourself as well as humanity. Friends! Exercise your mind to full capacity
before accepting any idea irrespective of who has championed it or for how
long it has been accepted by society. Reason may lead you astray some times,
but blind beliefs will lead you astray most of the times. *A person, who
cannot say a strong "NO", never develops the capacity of saying a strong
"YES" either. Faith that is produced through sincere doubts is pure and
valuable just like the gold that is produced through the fire.* In this
world, values are eternal, but not views even if they be the views of the
wisest people. Immortality is for values and principles, but never for views
and opinions. All values and principles are derived from one supreme value
of universal love and from universal laws of body, mind and nature whereas
all views and opinions are ideas and strategies for manifesting any value or
principle in a particular context of time, place and circumstances. Due to
this reason,* the law of birth, growth and decay always applies to all
views and opinions sooner or later. So, hold on to the values and principles
espoused by the great ones, but exercise your own brain and be ready to even
go against the views and opinions of the great ones if that is the bidding
of your own heart and mind. *
 
Now, I want to share one very crucial strength of US executive which is
abysmally absent in most developing countries.
 
ref: http://www.thisnation.com/textbook/bureaucracy-reform.html
The USA President appoints and can remove the top twenty-percent or so of
all Executive Branch employees, including Department Secretaries. The same
is true at state level also. It has some very good effect as these top
twenty-percent come from all strata of intelligentsia. A professor of
University of Chicago can be an economic advisor, the President of Google
can be in science and technology council, a professor of Harvard Medical
School can become health secretary.
 
As compared to this, our system is plain dumb. Even top bureaucratic
positions at state and national level are filled through UPSC and State
civil services cadre. Even if some of these civil servants come from
technical background, their technical expertise is almost nothing over long
period as compared to those continuously working in technical line. A person
having MBBS and MD and then becoming a civil servant will have much less
knowledge and understanding of medical science than a professor of medical
colleges because the later will steadily grow his/her medical science
knowledge through research and clinical work. So, even for health secretary,
it will always be better to hire such professors than a civil servant even
if he/she has got some MBBS and MD degree 15 or 20 years ago.
 
This dysfunction is very bad.* If at the level of state and central
secretariats, all executive positions are filled purely based on talent and
experience from all fields of academia and industry rather than the present
rotten method of filling them completely from civil services, the efficiency
of bureaucracy will increase a lot. *
 
*This is the first important point.*
 
*Second,* the education is all important. Ref:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/105649/Cover%20Story/gaurav-gupta.html
- He also holds a certificate in public finance management from Harvard.
 
We should have proper training for our lower-level bureaucrats (assuming
higher-level, namely, secretariat level bureaucrats are picked from all
segments of academia and industry). Giving one-year executive MBA from IIM
as their training as probationers and later on also, giving them flexibility
to take some masters or even phds by taking sabbatical leave.
 
In fact, if this first rule of picking secretariat level bureaucrats from
all segments of academia and industry is implemented, even lower-level
bureaucrats coming through civil services will have to work much better in
order to get any secretariat level position. So, there is a clear
trickle-down positive effect.
 
*Third, *transparency and accountability, project management and
productivity management, performance bonus, promotion based on performance
plus expertise plus experience rather than plain seniority - all such
management fundamentals that modern corporates apply, should be applied in
bureaucracy as well.
 
*Fourth, *political* *system should be cleaned. If our political leaders
remain corrupt, then bureaucracy will also remain corrupt. In Bihar, we saw
it clearly. Under Laloo regime, no development was done. But, once Nitish
became CM, the same bureaucrats created records in achieving development
milestones and in tackling crimes and other law-and-order problem. This
clearly proved once again how important it is to get good-hearted and
intelligent people as our top political leaders. I have already started
another thread of discussion on "how to tackle money-power in politics? -
please participate in that thread by sharing your valuable insights and
experiences.
 
The success of any bureaucratic reforms depends on the success of political
reforms as political leaders are the ones who can do these bureaucratic
reforms. And that's where we have to do lots of work. Baba, Rajiv Ji, Dr.
Jai Prakash Narayana (of Lok Satta party) are in 40s and 50s. Youths from my
generation has to carry forward the momentum generated by these leaders or
be ready to even lead the work to success if due to some unfortunate
organizational or social reasons, these leaders are unable to lead the work
to full success. Due to this very reason, we should courageously ask
questions and sincerely seek their answers like good thinkers/intellectuals
as we are the future torch-bearers of this nation and we have to succeed in
our socio-political goals, however much intelligence and diligence, we have
to manifest in our lives.
 
Jai Hind,
Gopal
 
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Prakriti (A call to return to the nature) <
 
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Ganesh P Sharma <ganesh...@acclimited.com> Aug 14 08:50AM +0530 ^

 
OM
JAI BHARAT
I am happy that at least one boy has come up and thinking in right
direction. Let's all of us initiate this "BAL JAGRAN ABHIYAN" and make at
least one BALAK or BALIKA aware of the state of affaires particularly in
rural ares.
 
This will be the greatest ANSHDAN to this great NAVIN INDEPENDENCE
MOVEMENT.
 
VANDE MATRAM.
_____________________
 
Ganesh P Sharma
ACC Limited,Finance Deptt.
ACC Ltd,Kymore Cement Works
PO Kymore,Dist Katni 483 880 (M P)
Phone 09993282227
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From:
"Shashi Puri " <shash...@hotmail.com>
To:
"ganesh...@acclimited.com " <ganesh...@acclimited.com>
Date:
08/13/2010 07:44 PM
Subject:
RE: [BST] Indian Management Service
 
 
 
Vande Mataram
 
I am 20 years of age and hardly knew anything regarding the dismal
condition of our motherland until I came across The BST.
 
It encouraged me to research about Bharat and various aspects of our
Motherland which make her great.
 
I would like to say that I was deeply hurt by the dismal condition namely
corruption, negligence , pollution, followed by an unlimited unwanted
problems.
 
My observation has brought forward a point:
 
If the nation has to wake up from this longlasted dark-age sleep, there
has got to be a difference in the feeling of the children of our
Motherland.
 
Every child is like fresh clay, you may mould it into an idol of God or
let it be as it is (Deformed).
We may have our children bred as either Ajmal Amir Kasab and his partners
who will be hanged for their Sins or Shaheed Bhagat Singh, Shaheed Rajguru
and Shaheed Sukhdev who are immortal due to their sacrifice of life for
the Motherland.
Hanged in a tender age of early 20's.
 
Choice is ours and ours alone.
 
Shashipuri Pitamberpuri Goswami,
+919998970418
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ganesh P Sharma <ganesh...@acclimited.com>
Sent: 13 August 2010 04:05 PM
To: bharatswab...@googlegroups.com;
pradeepku...@acclimited.com
Subject: Re: [BST] Indian Management Service
 
 
(I beg pardon of all readers for using English instead of HINDI because
of system limitations)
Om
 
Bharat Swabhiman Andolan(Bharat Nirman Andolan) is the fight for complete
freedom which is an unfinished agenda of our great "Shaheeds".This
movement was hijacked on 15th August 1947 by anti national elements with
so perfect make up that we could identify them now with the bold
disclosures of Swami Radev jee and Rajeev Jee.They used education
system,judiciary system, laws,finance system/policies & Agriculture policy
etc. as tools for maximum exploitation so that normal public would never
have time and capacity to come to know their game plan.
 
By taking cue from previous failures we should make every movement very
professionally by taking the help of all latest and useful knowledge of
our time so that maximum no.of persons are made aware of the truth and
even people like ASIM JEE who is nothing but a typical product of above
mentioned system.Such people who have courage to fight for their point of
view are valuable for us when their fundas are made clear.
 
We need to undergo a great deal of transition to get rid ills of thousands
of years of slavery in our behavioral aspects.This is a very painful stage
but once over everything will be just right and this is only possible by
adopting changes of modern days and at the same time remaining perfectly
glued to our roots to make our bharat a super power.
 
JAI BHARAT .... VANDE MATRAM
_____________________
 
Ganesh P Sharma
ACC Limited,Finance Deptt.
ACC Ltd,Kymore Cement Works
PO Kymore,Dist Katni 483 880 (M P)
Phone 09993282227
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it immediately and notify us by e-mail or telephone.
 
 
From:
Sankh Das <das....@gmail.com>
To:
bharatswab...@googlegroups.com
Date:
08/13/2010 11:40 AM
Subject:
Re: [BST] Indian Management Service
Sent by:
bharatswab...@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
Shraddheya Gopal Ji
 
Very true observation. Actually we should work very professionally in this
Bharat Swabhiman Andolan. The country needs a leader. We got Swami Ramdev
Ji. The duty of ours will be to follow him without any self motive or any
material expectations, not blindly, there should be positive arguments,
discussions and finally consensus. There is much difference between
executing orders and sycophancy. The later always blocks the growth of a
mission.
 
Beside that, we always keep open our mind to receive any good idea from
any culture and apply it for the growth of Bharat Swabhiman. It is well
proven that West has developed a good management strategy. We should
assimilate these ideas keeping our root firmed in our knowledge of
Scriptures to build Superpower Bharat.
 
Pranam
SDas
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 Topic: App ko kaisa baba chahiye...???

bikash das <msc.b...@gmail.com> Aug 13 05:11PM -0500 ^

 
Mai swamiji ka ek interview dekh raha tha jisme swamiji puchte hai....app ko
kaisa baba chahiye???
 
Ram nam jap na,
paraya mal apna,
mund mundaye
teen gun sir ki mit jaye khaj,
khane ko laddu mile,
log kahe maharaj.
 
ya phir jo uchcha bichar me jite ho??? aur unke liye swamiji kahte hai...
 
jaga ki sewa,
khoj apni,
prit usse kijiye,
jindagi ka raj hai,
yeh jankar ji lijiye,
sadhana ki raha par sadhan kisi ka hai diya,
mai nahi, mera nahi,
yeh tan kisi ka hai diya,
yeh dhan kisi ka hai diya.
 
 
Jay Bharat,
Bikash Kumar Das
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 Topic: [No Subject]

bikash das <msc.b...@gmail.com> Aug 13 02:37PM -0500 ^

 
dhanyabad ashwini bhai...
 
Jay Bharat,
Bikash Kumar Das
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 Topic: organic farming

bikash das <msc.b...@gmail.com> Aug 13 02:34PM -0500 ^

 
latha ji sahi kaha rahi hai....ish bare me kudh bhi bichar karna aur auro ko
bhi samjhana chahiye...
 
Jay Bharat,
Bikash Kumar Das
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