On Nov 18, 2:04 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com
> > Wow, Rod, that was impressive. You seem to have a bit of a Jekyll and
> > Hyde personality thingy going.
> I've never made any claims to being perfect, and I can fight with the
> worst of them. I prefer NOT to.
> I feel it's only fair to make it clear
I didn't think we were actually fighting as much as horsing around. So
all I meant was the difference between horsing around and being
somber. Not that there's anything wrong with that :-)
> > that the post you responded to so graciously, was pure satire -
> > intended to be viewed as satire.
> Satire, like sarcasm...do not come across in a text based medium
> without a text based indicator.
> It wasn't meant to be taken
> > seriously. Since you seemed to have a bead on me Usenet wise,
> That I do not. I have no plans to stalk anyone, only to reply
> to them should I feel the need to speak my peace.
All I meat was I thought we were on the same wavelength. Most if not
all of my Usenet "battles" are with someone who's playing the same
game with me as I am with them. That's always certainly been true in
my exchanges with MU. There's certainly no one on Usenet that I'm
actually angry with or even truly dislike.
> No. Andrew is not the Holy Spirit, but Andrew is blessed to have
> the Holy One indwelling in him.
> If you speak up against the Holy
> Spirit when He speaks thru Andrew, then you've sealed your fate,
> for then it isn't Andrew whom has spoken, but the Spirit of God.
Rod, all of us who are disciples of Christ have the indwelling of the
Holy Spirit. But that doesn't mean every single one of us is right
about every single personal conviction we have. I know the Holy
Spirit. And I know the Bible. And despite Andrew's claims, I don't
believe the Holy Spirit is speaking through Andrew regarding certain
things. Just as I didn't believe the Holy Spirit was speaking through
Harold Camping where he advertized across the nation that the Rapture
was going to happen May 21 2011.
My two favorite Bible teachers, who are both very close friends of
mine, engaged in several public theological debates. Neither one was
telling the other "since you are disagreeing with me and I have the
Holy Spirit, you are *sealing your fate*" Or "My God curse you" Or
"May God blot your name from the Book of Life". That's mot how true
mature Christians operate. As you remember, even Paul rebuked Peter.
Now I'm sure there's at least one so called man of God whom you
consider to be a charlatan. And the Bible warns about such people over
> You have to be really careful what you say around, or to an
> indwelled individual, because God hears it all. He is present
> and LIVING in that individual.
All genuine Christians have that indwelling; from Billy Graham to the
bumbling stumbling newly saved disciple. There's no Christian who's
"more extra Holy than the other". There are those who have come
further along in the Sanctification process and are more Spiritually
mature, but not "more Holy".
> I'm not trying to scare you or blow smoke at you, I'm just relating
> the facts from personal experience. It isn't worth sacrificing your
> future to label someone a quack or netkook. Besides, one day that person
> may be there to help you thru something.
Calling someone a "netkook" is expressing a personal opinion. You call
people names to. We all do. That's not libel. It's horsing around. You
asked me "What's the Q stand for, Queer?". And you called me a
"gutless queer" etc. That's not libel. It's horsing around.
> You need all the friends you can make, and they in turn need you. I
> wonder when this world is going to wake up to the fact...
There's always going to be those whom you disagree with and oppose. I
disagree with a lot of Andrew's personal pet claims and
interpretations. So I express my opinion about them. I think Andrew B.
Chung is a crossposting spammer, who spouts all kinds of nonsense that
none of his peers will agree with.
Like I've always said; that's not a single physician, nutritionist or
dietitian who's ever
backed up Andrew B. Chung's claims about his diet. None, zero, zip.
That's a big problem regarding something he's trying to foist on
others. And no matter what, all diet plans are subject to and open to
Likewise, there's not a single Bible teacher, theologian or historian,
who will back Andrew B. Chung in his, in my opinion, outlandish
Scriptural interpretations which he interweaves into his diet pitch.
Andrew B. Chung hijacks threads, spams them and then crossposts the
spam. He in my opinion exploits Christianity. He in my opinion is an
embarrassment to Christianity.
> But I never speak
> > against anything in Andrew posts that's truthful, such as posting
> > "Jesus is the only way to the Father" et al.
> > The problem is, along with posting Gospel truth, Andrew combines that
> > with distorting Scripture, in my opinion.
> Have you checked what is written in the gospels against what the Holy
> Spirit of God is speaking ? Probably not, because it is hard to detect
> the indwelling of the Holy Spirit without a visual sign. One of the
> most immediate signs of God being present in a person is that this
> person is at PEACE, in a way that defies all understanding. But they are
> human and still are subject to error, so every now and then they screw
> up and seize control from God.
Rod, I'm a student of the Word. I devote hours a day to Bible study. I
attend three separately taught Bible studies a week. My pastor was a
Calvary Chapel Bible college director for eight years. That doesn't
make me a super Christian by any means. But I am an educated
Christian. The Bible tells us to test all things and people. Andrew in
my opinion fails the test. And I can't think of anyone who I know,
who's a serious Bible student, who wouldn't have a problem with what
he comes up with - on his own.
> But most people refuse to understand that where the gospels have
> ended, God still continues to work. The gospels themselves have been
> thru so many edits and transcription errors made by men that without
> knowing the original greek or aramaic one is shooting in the dark..
> and that is why many Christians rely on the Holy Spirit for guidance
> as to what God wants.
The Alexandrian Text and Textus Receptus are the most reliable and
consistent body of writing in existence. That's not my opinion, that's
a fact. Now how they're interpreted is another matter. But that's not
due to errors of flaws in the manuscripts.
> > And that's what I object to.
> > It's easy to disguise twisted Scripture and false doctrine, if you
> > surround it by a lot of Gospel truth (via mimicry more often than
> > actually recognizing the Truth).
> When God speaks thru a person, He speaks in language and a manner that
> they will recognize, and He speaks with authority. Many a spirit has
> recognized Him for just this reason, though the voice speaking the
> words was coming from a man or woman.
Every single false Christian teacher, preacher, faith healer etc.
claims they have divine powers and knowledge through the Holy Spirit.
And they *threaten* anyone who isn't in agreement with that. They are
the *only* ones who attempt fear tactics i.e. "may God curse you" et
> > When a really good counterfeit $100 bill is produced, 90 or more
> > percent of the forgery is accurate. It's those very subtle tiny
> > percentages of inaccuracy, that give it away to an expert money
> > handler. And the way one becomes an expert at spotting counterfeits,
> > is by becoming so intimately familiar with the genuine article, that
> > even a minor defect will stick out like a sore thumb.
> > Always having been around sound Christians and sound Christian
> > teaching/teachers, not to mention avidly reading the Bible my whole
> > life, it's just as easy for me to spot false Christianity and false
> > Christian teaching, even if 90% of it appears genuine. It's always
> > that 10% that's counterfeit, that's sicks out like a sore thumb and
> > makes the whole thing into a sham.
> So, are you able to recognize the Presence of God in an individual ?
I'm able to recognize sound Christianity when I see it, because I've
been exposed to so much of it over the last 30 years. Therefore, I
know when I don't see it. The Bible gives us many warnings about false
men of God, and how to spot them. And of course one true Christian can
disagree with another true Christian as well, without offending God.
At best, I think Andrew B. Chung is seriously misguided and seriously
psychologically disturbed. And I can't think of anyone who I know,
who's a serious dedicated well educated Spiritually mature Christian
who wouldn't also see the same
Andrew does evangelize the Gospel well in one respect, but then he
goes on to muddy the waters horribly. And no, God is not going to
curse me for having that opinion, much less blot my name from the Book