Acanthaceae Fortnight ::Haplanthodes sp? :: Ganapatipule:: PKA-MAR29/29: :

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Prashant Awale

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Mar 23, 2015, 4:33:10 AM3/23/15
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Dear Friends,
Came across this Haplanthodes sp. at Jaigad fort near Ganapatipule. Could this be Haplanthodes plumosa?. Kindly validate the ID.

Botanical name:

Haplanthodes sp.

Family:

Acanthaceae

Date/Time-

 

29-03-2010 /11:40 AM

Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-

 

Jaigad Fort  near Ganapatipule- Ratnagiri

Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-

 

Wild  

Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- 

 

Herb

Height/Length-

 

30 to 50 cm

Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-

 

 Opposite, 3 to 5 cm, Some leaves were acuminate and some were with somewhat rounded apex ,  hairy, leaf base extending down to petiole,

Inflorescence Type/ Size-

 

Photograph enclosed

Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-

 

Flowers sessile, corolla approx. 8 to 12mm, purple (Photograph enclosed)

Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-

 

Not known

Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.-

 

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Mar 31, 2015, 1:14:27 PM3/31/15
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Does anybody have access to http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3417/2013046?

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Does anybody have access to http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3417/2013046?- from Surajit ji. 

i.e. New Names and Combinations in Indian Acanthaceae John R. I. Wood



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surajit koley

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Apr 14, 2015, 2:01:51 PM4/14/15
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I asked if any member can access the paper http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3417/2013046. What I come to know is that Haplanthodes tentaculatus (L.) Nees is further divided in to var. nilgherryensis and var. plumosa, besides type species.

First, I do not have literature, be it century old, on South Indian flora. I have never seen one physical species, never before even in images. The first time I saw/noticed it in Anurag Ji's thread.
Second, it appears to me that various uploads of Haplanthodes, in eFI, are very confusing.
Third, internet doesn't feature any photograph of related species other than those of Dinesh Ji, Prashant Ji and one or two of others.
Fourth, I do not even know how to differentiate H. verticillatus from H. tentaculatus.

Dinesh Ji threw some light -

Prashant Ji has both white & blue colour H. nilgherryensis.

So, it is quite impossible for me to decipher the id of this species. More so, because except the flowering spikes no detail on sepals, sizes of corolla and calyx etc are available.

If this belongs to H. tantaculatus group it is unlikely to be var. plumosa, because of the following herbarium -
Herb. of Ruellia tentaculata - http://linnean-online.org/6882/
var. nilgherrensis -

Thank you
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surajit

surajit koley

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Apr 14, 2015, 10:31:01 PM4/14/15
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Yes for both of your questions, I think Anurag Ji.

q2 = I used the term "H. tentaculatus group", for the type species as well as var. nilgherrensis and var. plumosa.

Haplanthodes is synonymous with Haplanthus and also with Berekampia in our cases.

Thank you
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Anurag Sharma <anurag...@gmail.com> wrote:
and also, as a continuation of 2) =Haplanthus tentaculatus group?

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Anurag Sharma <anurag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir,

I believe I may have a resolving idea to put forth but first I would like to know if:

1) Haplanthus verticillaris Nees = Haplanthodes verticillatus (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar
2) Haplanthus neilgherryensis Wight = Haplanthodes nilgherrensis (Wight) R.B.Majumdar?
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Anurag Sharma

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Apr 15, 2015, 3:30:11 AM4/15/15
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Based on Gamble and Flora of Hassan District (attached), Biodiversity in India and JCB:

CHARACTER

Haplanthus verticillaris Nees

Haplanthodes verticillatus (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar

Haplanthus neilgherryensis Wight

Haplanthodes nilgherrensis (Wight) R.B.Majumdar

(this column can include the varieties coming under Haplanthodes tentaculatus- Haplanthus tentaculatus group)

INFLORESCENCE

?

TERMINAL

CLADODE

.75-1.25 INCH

ENDING IN 2 SPINOUS TEETH

VILLOUS AND GLANDULAR

.5 INCH

ENDING IN 2 OR MORE TEETH

VILLOUS (NOT GLANDULAR)

CAPSULE

.4 INCH

GLABROUS

.2 INCH

PUBESCENT

SEEDS

6-16

?


In the above cases, whether we:

1) consider the varieties under Haplanthodes tentaculatus (L.) Nees or,
2) think of them as coming under a Haplanthus tentaculatus group;

-the clear difference between Haplanthodes verticillatus (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar and the other species (singular/plural) is- cladodes densely pubescent AND glandular hairy in Haplanthodes verticillatus (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar while the other is ONLY densely pubescent.

If this is agreeable, then may be we finally have a definite idea of what is and isn't Haplanthodes verticillatus (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar based on the cladode being glandular hairy?

Please correct me if I have gone wrong anywhere.
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Gamble 1.jpg
Gamble 2.jpg

surajit koley

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Apr 15, 2015, 8:45:15 AM4/15/15
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Well, Anurag Ji, I missed the glandular cladode of H. verticillaris. And also fruit size was unknown to me. Attached here the FBI entries. I stressed on calyx character which was not visible in attached pictures, couldn't make out length of cladode in various threads.

Thank you very much for those differentiating characters.

Regards
surajit

surajit koley

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Apr 15, 2015, 8:46:27 AM4/15/15
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Sorry, here is the FBI.

Thank you
Regards

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Anurag Sharma

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Apr 15, 2015, 11:54:38 AM4/15/15
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Thank you sir.
I still do not know what to make of the difference between the var. under Haplanthodes tentaculata.

surajit koley

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Apr 15, 2015, 12:30:00 PM4/15/15
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Anurag Ji,

I do not know. Since we do not have other source we will have to depend on FBI. I copy a few words -

Type species : cladodes in fruits glabrous or pubescent, not ciliate; calyx pubescent, scarcely ciliate; corolla less than 1/2 inch, white (blue, lilac - Pullaiah)
var. Plumosa : calyx densely hispid-hairy subplumose
var. nilgherrensis (neolgherryensis) : you have lit.

Your species had capsule slightly curved (check KEW herb K000885689), while after checking plumosa herb. at KEW site it appears to me plumosa capsules are a bit shorter and straight.

I think if these details can not be ascertain we need to go to var. plumosa, but leave it at H. tentaculatus only. This does not apply to neilgherryensis 

Thank you
Regards
surajit


surajit koley

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Apr 15, 2015, 1:55:42 PM4/15/15
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Anurag Ji,

I copy here the KEY, based on various lit, you have provided -

CHARACTER

Haplanthus verticillaris Nees

Haplanthodes verticillatus (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar

Haplanthus neilgherryensis Wight

Haplanthodes nilgherrensis (Wight) R.B.Majumdar

(this column can include the varieties coming underHaplanthodes tentaculatus- Haplanthus tentaculatusgroup)

INFLORESCENCE

?

TERMINAL

CLADODE

.75-1.25 INCH

ENDING IN 2 SPINOUS TEETH

VILLOUS AND GLANDULAR

.5 INCH

ENDING IN 2 OR MORE TEETH

VILLOUS (NOT GLANDULAR)

CAPSULE

.4 INCH

GLABROUS

.2 INCH

PUBESCENT

SEEDS

6-16

?



Please check the thread https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/C6E9D20qujk/x1u7YD85F60J. To me cladodes seem to be gladular, yet number of teeth is two in some & three in others. What do you think?

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Anurag Sharma

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Apr 18, 2015, 11:29:25 AM4/18/15
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Well sir, in one Flora that I saw, it said cladodes in H. verticillatus generally 2 toothed, rarely 3. I cannot find it right now. Will attach when I do.

Thank you.

surajit koley

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Apr 18, 2015, 12:26:52 PM4/18/15
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Dear Anurag Ji,

If Haplanthus verticillaris Nees can have 3 teeth sometimes then number of teeth won't be a KEY to id species. Attached here what Wight recorded about cladode teeth in H. nilgherrensis. Please note what Wight referred to "bract" may be he meant cladode.

After going through all uploads of Haplanthus/Haplanthodes I think -
  • length cladode is vital (ref. FBI and "note" in http://linnean-online.org/6882/)
  • I am not sure if presence/absence of glandular hair can be a KEY
  • In H. neilgherryensis flowers in pseudo-whorls taking a form of terminal spike; cladodes and sepals with white hairs (ref. FBI)
  • In var. plumosa pseudo-whorls are relatively wide spaced; sepals are hairy subplumose
  • In H. tentacularis cladodes are smaller than H. verticillaris and not ciliate (ref. FBI and Linnean site)
However, I think I have found H. t. var. plumosa! Here it is - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/By2tCca-aOs/niDaDdPIZU8J. Check the two photographs in highest resolution, you will see plumose sepals clearly. Besides, each pseudo-whorl in that plant gives rise to sub-branches which do again form flowering pseudowhorl of cladodes (Dinesh Ji pointed out this character in a thread). Please also compare those two pics with another upload(s) by Neil Sir - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/CCj373r5vGw/GrD_qNzUKkEJ Note the darker pattern in corolla lobes in both the thread

Thank you
Regards

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Anurag Sharma

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Apr 20, 2015, 3:39:53 PM4/20/15
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Thanks sir.

One question- are the pseudowhorls forming further branches not seen ANY of the other threads on the group?

surajit koley

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Apr 20, 2015, 10:44:18 PM4/20/15
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Our concern is with only two species of FBI, Anurag Ji, Haplanthus verticillaris and H. tentaculatus. The later includes var. nilgherrensis and var. plumosa.

Since I have no field experience on this particular genus I depend on DInesh Ji's experience - of H. neilgherryensis - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/NbKZ2cRILsc/znbfFPnQ7iAJ

I have collected info from various threads, examined online herbarium, read old lit. and cooked my own recipe. I do not claim my dish is healthy and nutritious!

Thank you
Regards
surajit

surajit koley

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Apr 20, 2015, 10:59:38 PM4/20/15
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btw, Calyx of H. verticillaris is 1 line (1 line = 2.1 mm). corolla 6 line long (note the calyx to corolla ratio); calyx glabrous or nearly so (ref. http://www.herbier-mpu.org/zoomify/zoomify.php?fichier=MPU018249).

Thank you
Regards

Anurag Sharma

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Apr 22, 2015, 1:39:29 PM4/22/15
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I have a request sir.
Could you please summarize our entire discussion so as to be referred to in the future when another post of Haplanthodes sp. comes up? This would be quite helpful for me as well.

surajit koley

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Apr 23, 2015, 1:08:06 PM4/23/15
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Dear Anurag Ji, following is the synopsis (based on very limited resource we have discussed and pasted links) -

cladode length :-
verticillaris (verticillatus ) = 19 mm to 30 mm
tentaculatus (incl. var.) = 06 mm to 20 mm

glandular hairs on cladodes :
verticillaris (verticillatus ) = present
tentaculatus (incl. var.) = absent (in all var.?)

calyx :
verticillaris (verticillatus ) = 2 mm long, glabrous or pubescent
tentaculatus = 
  • (around 4 to 5 mm long, pubescent or scarcely ciliate in var. tentaculatus
  • long (? should be more or less equal to above) and pilose in neilgherryensis (note : spike is congested than var. tentaculatus)
  • should be equal length to above and plumose in var. plumosa
(please note KEW has herb. featuring intermediate form of var. tentaculatus and var. neilgherryensis

colour of corolla :-
uncertain to me in all species and var.

Capsule size also uncertain (ref. JCB & Pullaiah); number of seeds not known to me; seed of tentaculatus is smaller than verticillaris (ref. FBI)

Thank you
Regards

Anurag Sharma

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Apr 26, 2015, 2:53:43 AM4/26/15
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Thank you very much sir- for the discussion and the summary!

Anurag Sharma

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Apr 28, 2015, 10:24:40 AM4/28/15
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Good evening sir. While going through the various flora in my college taxonomy lab, I found this in the Flora of Nasik District (P. Lakshminarasimhan and B.D Sharma). All four species have been keyed out:
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surajit koley

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Apr 29, 2015, 12:34:19 PM4/29/15
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Thanks Anurag Ji for the KEY to four species. But, does it help us to identify the species we/I have discussed so far in the following three threads? -

Anurag Sharma

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May 7, 2015, 11:01:50 AM5/7/15
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No sir, I am afraid without a clear view of the capsules, I wouldn't know where to start.
But in this thread, would you say that the capsule is pubescent or glabrous?

surajit koley

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May 7, 2015, 2:50:24 PM5/7/15
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No Sir Anurag Ji, I am unable to tell you if the capsules in your thread are pubescent or not!
That is why I think the KEY from your college taxonomy club doesn't help me much in these cases!

Not only that, according to the KEY of that book H. neilgherryensis should have glandular hairy cladodes. I am not sure if those cladodes in your plant were glandular or not. Perhaps a few glandular hairs are there in DSC_0739.jpg (below the flower) and in DSC_0743.jpg (bottom of the pic).

In fact, this prolonged and intermittent discussion along with so many KEY in various sources makes it more and more complicated.

Yet, based on distribution,your species is not plumosa; based on hair on cladodes your species is not tentaculatus; based on this thread your species is not  verticillatus.

Thank you
Regards

Anurag Sharma

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May 20, 2015, 8:13:52 AM5/20/15
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Thank you sir.
As a final note, I would make sure to shoot with a scale next time so that atleast a few doubts arising as a result of no scale measurements can be avoided!

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I feel it should be Haplanthodes tentaculatus (Nees) Majumdar as per images herein.

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But I am not too sure.
Pl. confirm. 

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