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Marcos Arruda Raposo

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Hi, Margaret,
 
I tried to find Francisco Pimentel in Rio de Janeiro's Alamanak Laemmert, 1865 edition.  I chose that year to give young Francisco some time to make his way in life.  However, all I could find was a certain Francisco de Paula Pimentel, at page 45 of the Guia section.
 
The problem is that the Laemmert lists people by their first names, so if your Francisco had a middle name, it will be difficult to find him.  You'd have to ruin through thousands of Franciscos to find, say, Francisco Xavier Pimentel.  Supposing he had one, do you have any idea of his middle name?
 
But I know of a Vicente family here in Rio, and of a Margarida Vicente...
 
Marcos. 

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    Margaret Vicente <margare...@gmail.com> Jan 06 11:47PM -0500 ^
     
    Hi JR, Happy New Year,
     
    I have passport information on two (2) Roias familes from Vila Franca,
    Piedade who left Sao Miguel to the Sandwich Isles in 1883. If this is of
    interest to you please let me know and I will post here for your records.
     
    Cheers,
     
    Margaret Vicente

     

    Margaret Vicente <margare...@gmail.com> Jan 06 11:37PM -0500 ^
     
    Hello Group,
     
    I'm wondering if any one might have information on a direct ancester who
    emigrated to Brazil, Rio de Janeiro around 15 Jun 1880.
    Francisco Pimentel, 25 years old, single
    DOB: 16 Mar 1855
    Place: Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores
    Father: Francisco Carvalho de Pimentel
    Mother: Roza Jacintha
     
    Thank you.
     
    Margaret Vicente

     

    "Rosemarie Capodicci" <rca...@redshift.com> Jan 06 06:39PM -0800 ^
     
    Dear Listers
     
    I just went on to the Umino site: www.neps.ics.uminho.pt and there is a searchable database for Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge!!! So exciting. I did some searching and there is a lot there already in some cases less than I have but then I took much from Notas Historicas. This is marvelous and hopefully it means that someone is extracting records from Sao Jorge as they have done for Pico and Faial.
     
    Happy Hunting!!
     
    Rosemarie

     

    Tish Meals <tish....@gmail.com> Jan 06 05:42PM -0800 ^
     
    Happy New Year to all,
    I thought it might be nice if we found what Islands are represented in our
    group.
    My interested is Santa Maria.
     
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 Topic: Pico
    nancy jean baptiste <fishso...@hotmail.com> Jan 06 01:29PM -0600 ^
     
    Hi Gayle,
     

     
    My paternal grandmother and grandfather are from Candelaria and I have ancestry in Sao Mateus as well. A few other villages with 1 or 2 people but Candelaria is the main village. My nrandparents are Manuel Furtado Cardoso and Maria Felizarda da Castro Cardoso. I have this line from the Minho site back to the 7th generation. There are lots of Goncalves, Ferreira, Costa Nunes, Machado, Matos, Rodrigues, Goulart, Silveira Pereira, Macedo, Neves, Luis, Sousa, Rosa, da Carmo, Silva, Garcia, Serpa, Melo, Bettencourt, Dutra, Moniz and Avila, Peixoto, Faria. They frequently married cousins....my grandparents were first cousins. I have several cousins on the site to this line that our connection is 200 plus years......perhaps we have a Candelaria connection! Perhaps some of the other Pico researchers will see some family names here!
     

     
    Best regards,
     
    Nancy Jean Baptista

    > regarding Graciosa, Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge, but not Pico where my
    > grandmother originated.
     
    > Gayle

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    Patricia Butcher <pere...@cox.net> Jan 06 12:00PM -0800 ^
     
    Dear Kaylene, Janis & all list members,
    Attached is my grandmother, Maria Conceicao Avila's ancestry from
    Ribeiras, Pico & a few surrounding villages. If it doesn't come
    through, I will send it to you privately. I would check names for you
    but just had surgery2 weeks ago & not spending too much time online
    just yet. All is well and I am thankful!!!
     
    Patricia
     
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    "Gayle Machado" <gayle....@fresnocitycollege.edu> Jan 06 04:44PM -0800 ^
     
    Nancy,
     
    Doug Holmes asked about my most recent connection. In answering his question, I put together a list of surnames for the villages through which my paternal grandmother's family extended. I thought you might like to compare with your list.
     
    My grandmother was Maria "Mary" Clara Medeiros, born 16 Mar 1878 in Candelaria, Pico. Her parents were Jose Rodrigues Medeiros and Josepha Clara Garcia. They were born 24 Jan 1825 and 22 Nov 1847, respectively.
     
    The familial surnames from Candelaria include:
    Rodrigues, Rodrgiues Serpa, Garcia Sousa, da Rosa, Medeiros, de Jesus, Ferreira Matos, Dutra Pereira, Sta. Quinteria, Rodrigues Sousa, Rodrigues Garcia, Costa Medeiros, Garcia, Gularte, Rodrigues Luis, Sousa, Rosa Maciel, Neves, Furtado Medeiros, Rodrigues Rocha, Cardoso, Luis Rodrigues, Luis, Ferreira, Ferreira Pereira, Dias Machado, Matos, Garcia Sarmento, Gularte Pereira, Garcia Luis, Martins, Furtado, da Costa, Vieira Tristam/ Tristao, Costa Maciel, Rodrigues Jorge, Rodrigues Pereira, Gonçalves, Concelos and Vasconcelos, Gularte Frade, Garcia Gonçalves Maciel, Gonçalves Maciel, Sao Jose Trinidade and Nunes.
     
    My first ancestor from Sao Mateus was Eugenia Rosa Bettencourt, who was born 18 Decd 1756. Surnames from that village include:
    Rodrigues Garcia, da Rosa, de Jesus, Vieira Lemos, Silveira, Pereira Cardozo, Silveira Costa, Sto. Antonio, Machado Ferreira, Fonçeca, das Candeis, Machado, Costa Gularte, Pereira, Gularte, Garcia, Garcia Melo, Vieira Bezerra, Vieira Lemos, Bettencourt Pimemtel, Garcia, Melo, Cardozo Clemente, Cardozo Frade, Rodrigues Sousa, Gularte Frade, da Costa, Madruga Pereira, de Faria, Cardozo, Costa Pereira, Sergueira, Ribeira Argolho and Vieira.
     
    From Sao Joao, there are only a couple: Vieira Fagundes and Pereira.
     
    From Magalena: Rodrigues Luis and Rodrigues
     
    From Lages: da Rosa, Machado Ferreira, and Rodrigues.
     
    Some of these lines go back to the early and mid 1600s.
     
     
    Note: I hava a collateral line with a Manuel Furtado Cardoso, who was born 7 Jan 1707 in Sao Mateus. Too early to be your grandfather.
     
    Let me know if any of these names rings a bell,
    Gayle
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: azo...@googlegroups.com on behalf of nancy jean baptiste
    Sent: Wed 1/6/2010 11:29 AM
    To: azores group
    Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico

     
    Hi Gayle,
     

     
    My paternal grandmother and grandfather are from Candelaria and I have ancestry in Sao Mateus as well. A few other villages with 1 or 2 people but Candelaria is the main village. My nrandparents are Manuel Furtado Cardoso and Maria Felizarda da Castro Cardoso. I have this line from the Minho site back to the 7th generation. There are lots of Goncalves, Ferreira, Costa Nunes, Machado, Matos, Rodrigues, Goulart, Silveira Pereira, Macedo, Neves, Luis, Sousa, Rosa, da Carmo, Silva, Garcia, Serpa, Melo, Bettencourt, Dutra, Moniz and Avila, Peixoto, Faria. They frequently married cousins....my grandparents were first cousins. I have several cousins on the site to this line that our connection is 200 plus years......perhaps we have a Candelaria connection! Perhaps some of the other Pico researchers will see some family names here!
     

     
    Best regards,
     
    Nancy Jean Baptista

    > regarding Graciosa, Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge, but not Pico where my
    > grandmother originated.
     
    > Gayle

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    nancy jean baptiste <fishso...@hotmail.com> Jan 06 07:33PM -0600 ^
     
    Hi Gayle,
     

     
    There is no attachment here.....the names listed below convince me we have some connections here.....in both Sao Mateus and Candelaria. I have many of these same double names....Rodrigues Serpa, Santa Quiteria,Dutra Pereira, Costa Goulart,Bettencourt, Melo and lots more of them!
     

     
    Nancy Jean

     
    > Note: I hava a collateral line with a Manuel Furtado Cardoso, who was born 7 Jan 1707 in Sao Mateus. Too early to be your grandfather.
     
    > Let me know if any of these names rings a bell,
    > Gayle
     
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    Terri <ter...@rogers.com> Jan 05 09:52PM -0800 ^
     
    Hi Eliseu,
    I looked closer at some info i had for Jose Pimentel and saw that
    although he ended up living in Agua d'Alto after he was married ...,
    in 1902 he registered for a passport and along the line where his name
    is....it says that the Conselho is Vila Franca and the Freguesia is
    S.Miguel...there is an area in the Vila that is S.Miguel right? So i
    may have ordered the wrong films to look for him....all these families
    could be from Vila Franca or somewhere else instead of Agua d'Alto
    like everyone in my family thought. Thanks for checking on that. That
    was a great eye opener for me. I sure have alot more work to do to
    find my Jose Pimentel.
     
    On Jan 4, 3:49 pm, "Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva"

     

    Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> Jan 06 09:17AM -0800 ^
     
    Terri,
     
    If it says the council is Vila Franca and the freguesia is S. Miguel - that
    means the parish of S. Miguel Arcanjo (the Matriz). The other parish there
    is S. Pedro. They are physically only 2-3 blocks away from each other!
     
    Cheri Mello
    Listowner, Azores-Gen
    Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
    Achada

     

    <rfrancis...@comcast.net> Jan 06 03:44PM -0500 ^
     
    Hi Terry,
     
    The Freguesia would be Vila Franca and the parish would be Sao Miguel
    Arcanjo
     
    Rick
     
    Richard Francis Pimentel
    Epping, New Hampshire, USA
    Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and
    Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores
    for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha

     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
    Of Terri
    Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:52 AM
    To: Azores Genealogy
    Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Disappointment with microfilms...HELP!
     
    Hi Eliseu,
    I looked closer at some info i had for Jose Pimentel and saw that
    although he ended up living in Agua d'Alto after he was married ...,
    in 1902 he registered for a passport and along the line where his name
    is....it says that the Conselho is Vila Franca and the Freguesia is
    S.Miguel...there is an area in the Vila that is S.Miguel right? So i
    may have ordered the wrong films to look for him....all these families
    could be from Vila Franca or somewhere else instead of Agua d'Alto
    like everyone in my family thought. Thanks for checking on that. That
    was a great eye opener for me. I sure have alot more work to do to
    find my Jose Pimentel.
     
    On Jan 4, 3:49 pm, "Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva"
    > Hi Terri,
     
    > I am also interested in AA.
     
    > I have a list of the marriages in AA from 1837 to 1900 and none of
    your
    > people appear to be married there... It is not much but at least you
    get the
    > information they married outside these dates. The surnames are there
    present

     

    "Shirley Allegre" <shi...@digitalpath.net> Jan 06 04:49PM -0800 ^
     
    Hi Terri: I have the film for the Sao Miguel Archanjo church in Villa
    Franca do Campo.
    What are you looking for? I might be able to help you.
    I have a lot of ancestors from VFDC. I also have Pimentels.
    Shirley in CA
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Terri" <ter...@rogers.com>
    To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:52 PM
    Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Disappointment with microfilms...HELP!
     
     
    Hi Eliseu,
    I looked closer at some info i had for Jose Pimentel and saw that
    although he ended up living in Agua d'Alto after he was married ...,
    in 1902 he registered for a passport and along the line where his name
    is....it says that the Conselho is Vila Franca and the Freguesia is
    S.Miguel...there is an area in the Vila that is S.Miguel right? So i
    may have ordered the wrong films to look for him....all these families
    could be from Vila Franca or somewhere else instead of Agua d'Alto
    like everyone in my family thought. Thanks for checking on that. That
    was a great eye opener for me. I sure have alot more work to do to
    find my Jose Pimentel.
     
    On Jan 4, 3:49 pm, "Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva"
    > present
    > but not the people as you mentioned them in your post.
     
    > eliseu
     
     
     
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    bbffrrpp <bbff...@comcast.net> Jan 06 01:24AM -0800 ^
     
    Hi again,
     
    Sometimes when I type at 5 am I can't remember the important names.
    I just wanted to add that my husband's great-grandparents on his
    father's side were:
    Joao PACHECO and Jacintha COSTA
    Francisco MOURA and Philomina ROSE
    The PACHECO family was in the village of Sao Roque, beside Ponta
    Delgada, around1880. The MOURA family was from Sao Miguel but I
    haven't been able to find out which village they came from, or
    whether they came from another Island first. Antonio PACHECO, 20,
    and Elsie MOURA, 12, both came to MA/US ~1905, and married in
    Cambridge, MA ~1912.
     
    Betty
     
     
    (Another researcher told me that another PACHECO family in Cambridge,
    MA, during the 1900's came from the same village.) (Elsie and her
    sisters, Mrs. Rosa PERRY and Mrs. Carolina MEDEIROS, were all widowed
    before their time. They lived to ~1980 in Cambridge.)
     
     
     
     

     

    <henriet...@sbcglobal.net> Jan 06 10:54AM -0500 ^
     
    Hi , I am sorry but I don,t know of any Mello,s in Gloucester that are part of my family . The Mello,s from this family went to Bermuda, Texas, Sao George , Stonington, Ct. and New Bedford, MA. but you never know they went all over. Henrietta
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    To: azo...@googlegroups.com ; henriet...@sbcglobal.net
    Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:02 PM
    Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PIMENTEL, PEMINTEL from Graciosa Island
     
     
    Henrietta,
     
    Are you related to the Mello(w)s from Gloucester, Mass? My Great Grandmother's half sister was Serina married Joseph Mellow. They lived in Gloucester, Mass.
     
    Thanks,
    Dolores Coyle
     
     
    On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM, <henriet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
     
    Hi Eliseu, I am sorry but I made a mistake about Manuel and Furtuso. I have Manuel Jose Pimentel born Feb. 24, 1739-40 Married Feb. 03, 1762 to Leonarda Rosa de Mello born Dec. 5, 1743 . His parents are Boventura Pimentel Pais and Francisca Pereira Vasconcellos. Her parents are Antonio Vaz Ferreira and Maria Ajuda.
    Children.
    Antonio Jose Pimentel Sr. born March 29, 1765 Marr. Maria Flora Joaquina Oct. 29, 1798
    Jose Pimentel born July 28, 1778?
     
    Furtuso Jose Pimentel born July 08, 1771
    Francisco Jose Pimentel born July 08, 1771
     
    Joao Pimentel born March 28, 1779
    Antonio is my direct ancestor. Sorry but these names do get confusing. I have family from every island and have been trying to work on all of them. If you put my name on googleyou will be able to see the book that I did on my fathers maternal side. Henrietta Mello Mayer on google
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    To: azo...@googlegroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:28 PM
    Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] PIMENTEL, PEMINTEL from Graciosa Island
     
     
    Hi Henrietta,
     
     
     
    I am glad we found a connection!!! It is always a pleasure to find cousins around the world!
     
     
     
    I am asking your attention to the little differences we have. I would like to clear my doubts.
     
    a) Where may I find that BOAVENTURA PIMENTEL is also PAIS as his father was?
     
    b) I do not understand your note saying that FRUCTUOSO and MANUEL are brothers!!! I have a MANUEL son of BOAVENTURA and an ANTÓNIO son of MANUEL.
     
    c) You say that FRUCTUOSO and MANUEL are Brothers…
     
     
     
    Do you have any dates for these persons?
     
     
     
    I can send you a GEDCOM. Can you do the same?
     
     
     
    I also have copies of the original marriage lists from S. Mateus, PRAIA, Graciosa. If you like any information please let me know about.
     
     
     
    Thank you very much
     
    Happy New year!
     
     
     
     
     
     
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Margaret Vicente

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Hi Marcos, I had a feeling finding him would be a needle in a hay stack.
 
I have Francisco's civil and baptismal records and they both bear no 2nd name.  Thank you for checking it out, though.  I just wondered what happened to him.  If, he made in Rio or went back home.  He's on my paternal side.  There was a saying back in Sao Miguel about those who left for Brazil, it was "if he went to Brazil he drank of the forgtness water". (ele foi para o Brazil e bebeu a agua do esquecimento).
 
I haven't had a chance to get started on the Vicente side of our family because they mix with Raposo Arrudas from Arrifes and Lajedo, Sao Jose, PD and it's huge.  I'm  also descedent of 2 Vicente branches...one "blue eye, blond" medium height named "de Jesus Vicente".  The others are "Tall, curley dark hair, olive skin"
What a coincidence, 2 Margaridas..(risos).  Sure would be interesting to find out if we have a connection. 
 
Thanks again Marcos.
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