Ten reasons never to hire Ken Pangborn

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If you have been falsely accused and are considering hiring Ken Pangborn as
your consultant, please read carefully.

1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains testimonials from former clients
of Ken. Although he insists that these people are made up, he has in the
past argued with or about them on usenet, and the posts in question can
still be found in Google Groups archives.

Former clients who have spoken out against Ken, and criticized his
services, have been subjected to having their private and confidential case
information posted on the internet by Ken.

Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
for his services.

2. KEN PANGBORN POSSESSES A DRIVING HATRED OF WOMEN.

His usenet posts reflect this: he has often referred to women as "cunts,"
"bitches," pieces of "pussy," and he even referred to his wife, Barbara
Sanciprian, as a "thing" attached to a vagina. He even attacked his own
daughter, Megan, by publicly posting information about her work in the
adult film industry.

If you are divorcing, or involved in a family law dispute with the mother
of your child, there probably is already more than enough animosity or hate
in the situation. You don't need Kenneth Pangborn to further fuel and
instigate the situation. Like it or not, she is the mother of your child,
and nobody deserves to be demeaned in the way which Ken treats women.

3. KEN PANGBORN LIES ABOUT HIS EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND.

He claims to have a psychology degree. With a glance at his curriculum
vitae and a little bit of research, one finds that Shaftesbury University,
the school Ken lists on his CV, is a sham operation. It is a "diploma
mill" which is unaccredited.

Would you want a doctor to operate on you, if you knew that he purchased
his diploma by mail and never spent a day in a classroom? Nor should you
hire a legal expert who did the same.

4. KEN PANGBORN HAS VERY LITTLE LEGAL KNOWLEDGE.

Among some of his more well-known "sea lawyer" statements:

* The only reason a defense attorney requests a continuance is if his
client is "guilty as hell."
* If you make a statement and the opposing party asks you to prove it,
this is a sure sign that they have lost.
* Child support should be paid by fathers in intact, non-divorced
families.
* When an agreement is reached between a prosecution and a defense, the
judge will throw it out and impose his/her own sentence 70% of the time.
* Law enforcement agents routinely share information with strangers on
the internet, regarding open criminal investigations which they are working
on.
* Pretrial conferences, trials and plea bargains occur before
charges/arrests/arraignments are made.
* If a judge reviews the evidence in a case, he can rule that there is no
need for a trial, and can find the defendant guilty and impose sentencing.
* If two people share the same first and last name, the logical
conclusion is that they are the same person...even if they have different
middle names and reside in different parts of the country.

5. KEN PANGBORN SPENDS MOST OF HIS TIME (AND YOURS, IF YOU RETAIN HIM)
ARGUING AND HARASSING OTHERS ON THE INTERNET.

One need look no further than the usenet newsgroups
alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.support.child-protective-services and
soc.culture.cuba. On most days, by 6 am these groups are already filled
with several angry, lie-filled posts from Ken, which continue throughout
the day.

He also frequently launches into massive tirades on irrelevant matters,
including whether or not he visited Cuba several years ago, or whether he
appeared on a radio talk show.

Clearly he isn't getting any work done...do you really want to pay this man
to post to internet discussion groups all day?

6. KEN PANGBORN HAS VERY POOR BUSINESS SENSE.

In 2000, http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com went online. Due to content and
keywords, it became firmly indexed in every major internet search engine,
including Yahoo, Google, Askjeeves, MSN etc. When a search is done for any
variation of Ken's name, listings for the site are returned, even higher
than listings for Ken's own business pages. In most search engines,
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com is the #1 listing which is returned. This
means that anyone who is considering hiring Ken, and who decides to first
research him, is virtually guaranteed to read the site which highlights
Ken's fraudulent education, harassment and poor reviews from former
clients.

Ken was offered numerous opportunities to have
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com removed from the web. At one point, it
would have taken a simple apology, for lies which Ken had already been
caught in. If he had any business sense at all, he would have swallowed
his pride, shown some integrity and gotten the site removed.

7. KEN PANGBORN CAN'T HANDLE HIS FINANCES.

A few years back, Ken filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy. The main reason, as
indicated by the bankruptcy documents as viewable at
http://docs.aboutkenpangborn.com, was a significant decrease in annual
income. According to the documents, he went from making 90k per year to
30k per year in a relatively short period of time....most likely due to his
fraudulent business practices and the reasons highlighted in #6.

When working with clients, Ken first asks for a significant retainer.
According to William Rainey, who claimed to be a would-be client, Ken asked
him for $15,000. How can Ken be expected to manage other people's money,
when he can't even handle his own?

8. KEN PANGBORN CAN'T EVEN MANAGE HIS OWN FAMILY.

Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
under very nasty circumstances. He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who
barely speaks any English, according to his daughter. His own daughters
won't speak to him, and his emotional abuse actually drove one of them to
join the porn industry. Ken then humiliated her by publicly announcing
this fact on usenet and on his listserv.

Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.

9. KEN PANGBORN IS A RACIST.

His recent slurs against people of Polish nationality can be found on
alt.support.child-protective-services. In addition, his forgeries
regarding Jewish and African-American people are well-known and are
documented at http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com.

10. KEN PANGBORN MAY BE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL DISORDERS.

Possible examples include:

OCD/paranoia: Ken seems to believe that certain people are out to get
him. He is well-known for his "David Moore" obsession, to the point where
he thinks people around him are involved in some sort of conspiracy or
"coalition" against him....including his neighbors and his own daughter.
He also frequently attempts to stalk anyone he finds bearing the name
"David Moore," having attacked at least five unique individuals bearing
that name. Incredibly, on one occasion Ken claimed that his own name was
David Moore.
Multiple personality disorder: Ken frequently invents identities on
usenet, and carries on entire conversations with himself under these names.
He even invented biographies for some of the personas he created in 2003.
Tourette's: Ken is prone to sudden irrational outbursts, as heard on the
recorded phone call with a UPI stringer:
http://docs.aboutkenpangborn.com/pangborninterview.mp3.
Compulsive lying: Ken seems to possess a psychological need to lie. He
does so in nearly every single internet post, often lying about matters
which have already been disproved or which are simple to disprove.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com


krp

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Sep 8, 2009, 3:56:03 PM9/8/09
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DAVID DANIEL MOORE - LOTUS SOLUTIONS CONSULTANT
"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
news:EQ1U2NO74006...@reece.net.au...

> 1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
> CLIENTS.

> http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
> (They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)


> Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
> for his services.

Sure - and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
false reports about them to officials.

> Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
> under very nasty circumstances.

Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
divorce is never "FUN!"

> He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English

So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
"purchasing" that went on. At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

> His own daughters won't speak to him

Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

> Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
> while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.

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On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:56:03 GMT, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:

>DAVID DANIEL MOORE - LOTUS SOLUTIONS CONSULTANT
>"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
>news:EQ1U2NO74006...@reece.net.au...
>
>> 1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
>> CLIENTS.
>

>> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.

>> (They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)
>

Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
like David claimed they are figments.
Are you so drunk you thought your act of deception would slip by?

>
>> Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
>> for his services.
>
> Sure - and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
>false reports about them to officials.

Prove your claim, unless you're lying.

>
>> Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
>> under very nasty circumstances.
>
> Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
>divorce is never "FUN!"
>
>> He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English
>
> So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
>"purchasing" that went on.

Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim
about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
you and her to meet.
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to
correct me.

>At least no more than is typical in marriages
>where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
>this score, Moore.

There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
it was and is possible.
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

>
>> His own daughters won't speak to him
>
> Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

Megan certainly won't. Her blog on MySpace made it very clear
she will have NOTHING to do with you.
Given the level of pure HATE she has for you, it is possible she
lied about her half-sisters. I got the impression she would make any
claim if it would cause you even the slightest bit of grief. That's
why I don't present her claims as absolute without something more to
sustain them.


"It's attached to a thing called a "WIFE" Betty."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn showing how he views his wife
as an object and NOT a human being.
Message-ID: <KLf2j.31312$9h.4837@trnddc07>

krp

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"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> 1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
>>> CLIENTS.

>>> http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.


>>> (They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

> Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
> like David claimed they are figments.

They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that FALSE
statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).


Dan Sullivan

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On Sep 9, 5:59 am, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
> up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
> Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

Back in the early 90's I helped a man who had the same name as an icon
in the music industry.

Was he made up because he had the same name as someone else, kenny
boy?

Does Jimmy Kimmel have no cousins?

freedom

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On Tue, 08 Sep 2009, krp <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>DAVID DANIEL MOORE - LOTUS SOLUTIONS CONSULTANT

...........didn't author the message in question. Kindly cease
attributing my posts to someone else....unlike you, I take full
responsibility for everything I post.

>"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
>news:EQ1U2NO74006...@reece.net.au...
>
>> 1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
>> CLIENTS.
>

>> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains testimonials from former


>> clients of Ken.
>> (They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

And yet, you argued with and/or about several of them here on usenet and on
your listserv.

And why did you alter the http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com URL again?
Scared?

>
>
>> Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
>> for his services.
>
> Sure -

Thanks for acknowledging that not a single former client will vouch for
your services.


>and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
>false reports about them to officials.

Who is "them"? You just admitted that none exist. Can't you keep your
lies straight in the same sentence?

>
>> Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
>> under very nasty circumstances.
>
> Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
>divorce is never "FUN!"

They were "nasty" enough that both women contacted strangers on the
internet to dish dirt on you. But then, you admitted to cheating on Peggy.

>
>> He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English
>
> So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
>"purchasing" that went on. At least no more than is typical in marriages
>where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
>this score, Moore.
>
>> His own daughters won't speak to him
>
> Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

Absolutely true.

>
>> Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
>> while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.

No answer to this one? ROFL!

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"[I have] [n]ever had [any] standing in the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's
Association or AN Y connection to them."
- --Ken Pangborn in a usenet post on January 1, 2009, denying affiliation
with the TCDLA, to whom he provided bogus educational credentials. His lie
is disproved here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822021821/www.tcdla.com/secure/experts/inde
x.shtml

"Some photo of some girl without even any documentation on THAT only proves
that YOU are a PSYCHO! A really STUPID one at that!"
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting to being a "stupid" "psycho" in message-ID
<jOp3l.292$Es4...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>

"The FACT is that [my mail-order wife Barbara Sanciprian] and I were
introduced in the FORMAL Spanish tradition by mutual friends, and were
married first in Cuba after 2 year courtship."
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting that he began cheating on his wife Peggy on
September 28, 2001, nearly two years before she separated from him

"I'm David Moore and I am insane!"
- --Ken Pangborn posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, attempting to
claim that his name is David Moore

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
- --Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services
**, in a verbal threat to his girlfriend


** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

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>
>>> 1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
>>> CLIENTS.
>
>>> http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former
>>> clients of Ken.

>>> (They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

> And yet, you argued with and/or about several of them here on usenet and
> on
> your listserv.

I was fooled for a little while, Moore. But not for long.


>>> Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will
>>> vouch
>>> for his services.


DAVID MOORE ALTERS TEXT (POST EDIT) yet AGAIN.

>> Sure -

> Thanks for acknowledging that not a single former client will vouch for
> your services.


No such admission outside yhour syphlys addled mind, Davey.

>>and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
>>false reports about them to officials.

> Who is "them"? You just admitted that none exist. Can't you keep your
> lies straight in the same sentence?

No I didn't "admit" anything. One of the people you tried to harass was
Mark who told you to piss off. You ever tried to harass the guy in Ohio
till HE told you to piss off as well.

>>> Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
>>> under very nasty circumstances.
>>
>> Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
>>divorce is never "FUN!"

> They were "nasty" enough that both women contacted strangers on the
> internet to dish dirt on you. But then, you admitted to cheating on
> Peggy.

BULLSHIT! Neither did. We only have YOUR claims that they contacted you.
And one you claimed to have had almost DAILY contact with had been DEAD for
years. You offered at least 20 different versions of her name, NONE of them
correct. NONE even close.

>>> He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English

>> So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
>>"purchasing" that went on. At least no more than is typical in marriages
>>where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims
>>on
>>this score, Moore.

>>> His own daughters won't speak to him

>> Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

> Absolutely true.

Absolutely UNTRUE. Have spoken to them in the past few days. You keep
making shit up. It's so ...... well ... so.. DAVID MOORE of you.

>>> Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
>>> while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.

> No answer to this one? ROFL!

Just that is one more of your BORING LIES. TRY to be original with your
BULLSHIT Davey. I didn't even know about Barbara until AFTER I was separated
from my ex. TRY AGAIN.

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krp

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"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sep 9, 5:59 am, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
> up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
> Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

DJS#3> Back in the early 90's I helped a man who had the same name as an

icon
in the music industry.

DJS#3> Was he made up because he had the same name as someone else, kenny
boy?

No he was made up because YOU make people up you allegedly helped.

Dan Sullivan

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On Sep 9, 3:58 pm, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote in message

ken pangborn claims Bernie Madoff ran his Ponzi scheme for less that
ten years!!!

Get your facts straight, kenny boy.

Greegor

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Sep 9, 2009, 6:29:27 PM9/9/09
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On Sep 9, 3:19 pm, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 3:58 pm, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:946d50bd-27a0-4b45...@v2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 9, 5:59 am, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
> > > up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
> > > Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).
>
> > DJS#3> Back in the early 90's I helped a man who had the same name as an
> > icon
> > in the music industry.
>
> > DJS#3> Was he made up because he had the same name as someone else, kenny
> > boy?

KRP > No he was made up because YOU make people up you allegedly
helped.

DJS3 > ken pangborn claims Bernie Madoff ran his Ponzi
DJS3 > scheme for less that ten years!!!
DJS3 > Get your facts straight, kenny boy.

Isn't that an easier mistake than missing the fact
that NO INVESTIGATORS shut down Madoff.

He TURNED HIMSELF IN!

How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?

Dan Sullivan

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On Sep 9, 6:29 pm, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 3:19 pm, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 9, 3:58 pm, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:946d50bd-27a0-4b45...@v2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 9, 5:59 am, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
> > > > up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
> > > > Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).
>
> > > DJS#3> Back in the early 90's I helped a man who had the same name as an
> > > icon
> > > in the music industry.
>
> > > DJS#3> Was he made up because he had the same name as someone else, kenny
> > > boy?
>
> KRP > No he was made up because YOU make people up you allegedly
> helped.
>
> DJS3 > ken pangborn claims Bernie Madoff ran his Ponzi
> DJS3 > scheme for less that ten years!!!
> DJS3 > Get your facts straight, kenny boy.
>
> Isn't that an easier mistake than missing the fact
> that NO INVESTIGATORS shut down Madoff.

What do you mean "an easier mistake?"

kenny boy makes "mistakes" ALL THE TIME!

The information about Madoff has been all over the media and internet
for months, YET...
kenny boy claimed Madoff's Ponzi scheme lasted less than a decade,
when THE TRUTH IS Madoff claimed at his allocution that his Ponzi
scheme started in 1991. So kenny boy subtracts 1991 from 2009 and
instead of arriving at 18 as the answer, he says it's less than 10.

When you claimed I was mistaken about my daughter's age by 6 years,
kenny boy increased the figure to 10.

Why can't kenny boy subtract 1991 from 2009 and get the right answer?
18

Why can't kenny boy subtract 3 from 9 and get the right answer? 6

Is simple arithmetic really beyond ken pangborn's understanding?

Greegor

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Dan Sullivan

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"Greegor" <gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
> Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
> How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?

grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.


freedom

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On Wed, 09 Sep 2009, Kent Wills <comp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:56:03 GMT, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>DAVID DANIEL MOORE - LOTUS SOLUTIONS CONSULTANT

...didn't make the post in question, as can clearly be seen by anyone
with rudimentary reading skills in the very next line:

>>"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
>>news:EQ1U2NO74006...@reece.net.au...
>>
>>> 1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
>>> CLIENTS.
>>
>>> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains testimonials from former
>>> clients of Ken.
>>> (They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)
>>
>
> Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
>like David claimed they are figments.
> Are you so drunk you thought your act of deception would slip by?

Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This is
yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see that
my post contained no such text.

He also frequently forges other peoples' names into his replies to my
posts, to make it appear as if someone other than me wrote them. The post
you're replying to is an example of this.

>
>>
>>> Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
>>> for his services.
>>
>> Sure - and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
>>false reports about them to officials.
>
> Prove your claim, unless you're lying.

How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by the
authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or otherwise.

In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to shill
for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

>
>>
>>> Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
>>> under very nasty circumstances.
>>
>> Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
>>divorce is never "FUN!"
>>
>>> He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English
>>
>> So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
>>"purchasing" that went on.
>
> Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim
>about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
>you and her to meet.

Are you sure it wasn't just love at first sight? I mean, what woman
wouldn't want an obese, balding, loudmouthed senior citizen with erectile
dysfunction?

> My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
>understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
>arrange for a meeting.
> If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to
>correct me.
>
>>At least no more than is typical in marriages
>>where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
>>this score, Moore.
>
> There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
>it was and is possible.
> Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
>would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
>possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
>is, if she is."
> Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and it
was proved that internet access is indeed available.

The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
had gone to for help, no less.

>
>>
>>> His own daughters won't speak to him
>>
>> Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!
>
> Megan certainly won't. Her blog on MySpace made it very clear
>she will have NOTHING to do with you.
> Given the level of pure HATE she has for you, it is possible she
>lied about her half-sisters. I got the impression she would make any
>claim if it would cause you even the slightest bit of grief. That's
>why I don't present her claims as absolute without something more to
>sustain them.

I exchanged several e-mails with her, and found very little reason to
believe she was being untruthful. She did make the comment that Ken wasn't
her biological father, but that could have just been wishful thinking on
her part.

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G > How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
G > Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
G > How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?

DJS3 > grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.

Your EGO won't let you answer about whether
or not you lost money with Madoff or ENRON??

Dan Sullivan

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Is my name on the Madoff list?

Greegor

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Sep 10, 2009, 1:24:28 AM9/10/09
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G > How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
G > Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
G > How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?

DJS3 > grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.

G > Your EGO won't let you answer about whether
G > or not you lost money with Madoff or ENRON??

DJS3 > Is my name on the Madoff list?

DJS3 > Not a cent.

Your EGO just gets in the way doesn't it!

Not every loss is on the list directly.

How'd you do on ENRON?

Do you use a discount brokerage?

What's the transaction fee like?

You'd have a Keogh not a 401K right, being ""SELF EMPLOYED""?

Do the rules let you play the market inside of that?

You post like a day trader, Dan.

Kent Wills

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You already admitted, by default, that you were lying about that.
I asked you to prove your claim or admit, by default, you were
lying. You RAN from the request.
Why are you presenting that which you've already admitted was a
lie?
BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.

"Quotes below have been highly altered."
-- Kenneth Robert Pangborn accidentally admitting in misc.legal
that he alters posts when he replies.

krp

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DAVID D. MOORE CHICAGO'S OWN COMPUTER VANDAL

"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

> Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This is
> yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see that
> my post contained no such text.

YOU are the one with the track record of FORGERIES, Moore.

> How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have
> EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
> the
> authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME! You argued
with Mark for weeks, and when he wouldn't do as you tried to ORDER him to
do, you started making anonymous FALSE reports about him to the authorities
in his state. Like you did to at least TWO women on the list as well.

> In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to
> shill
> for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

The photos are fake too? Oh yeah, you'll claim they are "PHOTOSHOPPED."
As you ALWAYS do. New newspaper articles, faked too?


>> Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim
>>about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
>>you and her to meet.

AGAIN correcting the FEEBLE MINDED. It is BABAR the Elephant NOT
Barbar.

KENT WILLS CLAIMED:


>> My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
>>understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
>>arrange for a meeting.

>> If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
>> me.

How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single and he knew about my wife and
that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

>>>At least no more than is typical in marriages
>>>where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims
>>>on
>>>this score, Moore.

>> There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
>>it was and is possible.

>> Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
>>would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
>>possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
>>is, if she is."

>> Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

It IS impossible in Cuba.

> This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
> that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
> months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and it
> was proved that internet access is indeed available.

Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
available to me was proved.

> The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
> newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
> had gone to for help, no less.

Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID. Lots of
assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who say that
the photos were NOT altered.

People can SEE for themsleves.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01/ticket_01.jpeg

The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.

krp

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"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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DJS#3> Is my name on the Madoff list?

Well, Danny, you ARE stupid enough for it to be there.

krp

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"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> 1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
>>>>> CLIENTS.
>>
>>>>> http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
>>>>> (They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)
>>
>>> Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
>>> like David claimed they are figments.
>>
>>They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that FALSE
>>statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made
>>him
>>up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
>>Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

> BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
> already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
> the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.

A LIE. He enlisted in the Marines when he lived at 850 Buffalo Avenue,
Calumet City, and he lived in Bolingbrook until his house was foreclosed and
his wife left for Missouri.
Property record still exist, Kunt. Too bad for you pair of LIARS.

Dan Sullivan

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"krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Are you claiming that only stupid people invested with Madoff, ken pangborn?


krp

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"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>> G > How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
>>> G > Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
>>> G > How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?
>>>
>>> DJS3 > grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.
>>>
>>> Your EGO won't let you answer about whether
>>> or not you lost money with Madoff or ENRON??
>>
>> DJS#3> Is my name on the Madoff list?
>>
>> Well, Danny, you ARE stupid enough for it to be there.
>
> Are you claiming that only stupid people invested with Madoff, ken
> pangborn?


Yeah, pretty much Danny. Just because somebody is a famous actor, or
they have loads of money doesn't make them smart. What's Demi Moore's IQ?
She had a great body and then installed way oversized rock hard plastic
TITS.. Smart?

freedom

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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, krp <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>DAVID D. MOORE CHICAGO'S OWN COMPUTER VANDAL

........didn't author the message in question.

>"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message

>news:6BVKHUSZ40066.4153587963@reece.net.au...
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>> Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This is
>> yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see that
>> my post contained no such text.
>
> YOU are the one with the track record of FORGERIES, Moore.

Projection noted. Some of your more notable forgeries are documented at
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com.

>> How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have


>> EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
>> the
>> authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or otherwise.
>
> BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that you
>have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

I did say in the past that a few people from your list have forwarded me
posts from time to time. According to them, it's rather pathetic....rather
than helping people, you do nothing but whine about me, project me as a
stalker, and post off-color jokes.

>You argued
>with Mark for weeks,

I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction as
your ISP.

> and when he wouldn't do as you tried to ORDER him to
>do, you started making anonymous FALSE reports about him to the authorities
>in his state. Like you did to at least TWO women on the list as well.
>
>> In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to
>> shill
>> for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.
>
> The photos are fake too? Oh yeah, you'll claim they are "PHOTOSHOPPED."

You could have lifted the photos out of internet archives, and claimed that
they're the people in question. You were caught doing this to
Terri......you stole a photo of another woman out of the Wayback Machine
and claimed it was Terri. It's likely that any photos of your
"testimonials" were obtained in the same way.


>As you ALWAYS do. New newspaper articles, faked too?
>
>
>>> Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim
>>>about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
>>>you and her to meet.
>
> AGAIN correcting the FEEBLE MINDED. It is BABAR the Elephant NOT
>Barbar.
>
>KENT WILLS CLAIMED:
>>> My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
>>>understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
>>>arrange for a meeting.
>
>>> If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
>>> me.
>
> How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
>introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
>mother's best friend. He knew I was single

So, you were single in September of 2001? This is when you claim that your
"courtship" of Barbara began.

>and he knew about my wife and
>that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
people on the internet? Does she have a fake degree too?

>
>>>>At least no more than is typical in marriages
>>>>where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims
>>>>on
>>>>this score, Moore.
>
>>> There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
>>>it was and is possible.
>
>>> Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
>>>would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
>>>possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
>>>is, if she is."
>
>>> Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.
>
> It IS impossible in Cuba.
>
>> This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
>> that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
>> months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and it
>> was proved that internet access is indeed available.
>
> Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
>available to me was proved.

It was proven conclusively that you were lying.

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DAVID D. MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL

"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>>> Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This
>>> is
>>> yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see
>>> that
>>> my post contained no such text.
>>
>> YOU are the one with the track record of FORGERIES, Moore.

> Projection noted. Some of your more notable forgeries are documented at
> http://www.aboutken

They are YOUR FAKES, moore, NOT mine. You just accuse ME of your
handiwork.


>
>>> How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information
>>> have
>>> EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
>>> the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
>>> otherwise.
>>
>> BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that
>> you
>>have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

> I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

> And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
> qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are. Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department? Your HISTORY is abundant. Which you have used
several aliases from time to time, your REAL NAME is David D. Moore.

> I did say in the past that a few people from your list have forwarded me
> posts from time to time. According to them, it's rather
> pathetic....rather
> than helping people, you do nothing but whine about me, project me as a
> stalker, and post off-color jokes.

Your claim is a LIE, Moore. NOBODY from the list is forwarding you
anything. Besides you ADMITTED that story was a lie and that YOU are on the
list. Getting confused about your LIES, Moore?

>>You argued with Mark for weeks,

> I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
> accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction
> as
> your ISP.

*I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.


>>> In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to
>>> shill
>>> for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

>> The photos are fake too? Oh yeah, you'll claim they are
>> "PHOTOSHOPPED."

> You could have lifted the photos out of internet archives, and claimed
> that
> they're the people in question.

Yet you argued with Mark and TRIED (in vain to make false reports about
him to the authorities in his state).

>>As you ALWAYS do. New newspaper articles, faked too?

>>> Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim
>>>>about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
>>>>you and her to meet.

>> AGAIN correcting the FEEBLE MINDED. It is BABAR the Elephant NOT
>>Barbar.

You guys can not only NOT get my ex-wife's name right, you can't even
get a BOOK title correct.

>>KENT WILLS CLAIMED:
>>>> My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
>>>>understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
>>>>arrange for a meeting.
>>
>>>> If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to
>>>> correct
>>>> me.
>>
>> How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
>>introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
>>mother's best friend. He knew I was single

> So, you were single in September of 2001? This is when you claim that
> your
> "courtship" of Barbara began.

That is NOT when I claimed it began, that when YOU claimed it began.

>>and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
>>things and had many shared values.

> Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding

> people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?

Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!

>>>>>At least no more than is typical in marriages
>>>>>where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical
>>>>>claims
>>>>>on
>>>>>this score, Moore.
>>
>>>> There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
>>>>it was and is possible.
>>
>>>> Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
>>>>would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
>>>>possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
>>>>is, if she is."

>>>> Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

>> It IS impossible in Cuba.

>>> This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
>>> that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
>>> months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and
>>> it
>>> was proved that internet access is indeed available.

>> Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
>>available to me was proved.

> It was proven conclusively that you were lying.

Not at all Moore. Here is visual PROOF that YOU bare a psychotic liar.

http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/

You can CLAIM the images are "PHOTOSHOPPED" all you want. Anyone who knows
images will see they are NOT. Did you forget that you TRIED hystericaly to
sell Betty that they were fakes and she was too smart to buy your BULLSHIT?
As hard as you TRIED so desperately to sell her, she could tell the images
were genuine. Oh and Davey, at that time the airlines were using MECHANICAL
printers and some uneveness in ink density is common. And even slight font
misalingment. That has been true of mechanical printers since the day of the
first typewriters. Even inkjet printers aren't perfect Davey.


But there it is, Moore, the flights can be verified as well as my being a
passenger. And, Moore, look at the airport stamps from the airport in Cuba.
Your BULLSHIT is taking a BIG HIT here. And remember the "EXPERT" you have
used to support your LIES also claimed that American NEVER flew to Cuba. He
claimed the CEO of American lived next door to him and TOLD HIM PERSONALLY
that they NEVER flew to Cuba. (BTW they STILL are.) Do you need to be
SPANKED on THAT issue again, Davey? Amazing you claim that I *DID* have
access to computers and at the same time you TRY to argue I was never there.
Interesting Polish logic, Davey. How exactly could I have access to
computers in Cuba if your claim that I was NEVER THERE were true?

Kent Wills

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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:19:18 GMT, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:

[...]


>KENT WILLS CLAIMED:

Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast
than I present?
If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
than I claim.

>>> My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
>>>understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
>>>arrange for a meeting.
>
>>> If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
>>> me.
>
> How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
>introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
>mother's best friend. He knew I was single and he knew about my wife and
>that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

Maybe so, maybe no.
There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW. However, that you
LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
you were lying.

>
>>>>At least no more than is typical in marriages
>>>>where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims
>>>>on
>>>>this score, Moore.
>
>>> There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
>>>it was and is possible.
>
>>> Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
>>>would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
>>>possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
>>>is, if she is."
>
>>> Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.
>
> It IS impossible in Cuba.
>

I proved it was possible. This didn't, and doesn't, prove the
woman you married and now claim to be an elephant was/is a
mail-order-bride. Only that you LIED when you claimed it was
impossible.

>> This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
>> that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
>> months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and it
>> was proved that internet access is indeed available.
>
> Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
>available to me was proved.

No it wasn't. The matter hasn't been proved one way or the
other.
Contrary to your claims, access was available in Cuba. And the
family of a judge would have been able to arrange transportation for
you.
Heck, you could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work
in the morning. Unless you're going to try and claim you didn't spend
time with her when you were in Cuba.

>
>> The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
>> newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
>> had gone to for help, no less.
>
>Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
>NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
>American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID.

Odd that his claim of living next to the CEO was and is yours
alone.

>Lots of
>assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who say that
>the photos were NOT altered.

No one in the group claimed they were not altered.

>
>People can SEE for themsleves.
>http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01/ticket_01.jpeg
>
>The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.

Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
look fake?

"CPS cases are legal matters. Offering advice IS practicing law
without a license."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he practices law without a
license in misc.legal

Kent Wills

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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:23:50 GMT, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:f1dha51d3u8mbj6ip...@4ax.com...
>
>>>>>> 1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
>>>>>> CLIENTS.
>>>
>>>>>> http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
>>>>>> (They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)
>>>
>>>> Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
>>>> like David claimed they are figments.
>>>
>>>They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that FALSE
>>>statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made
>>>him
>>>up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
>>>Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).
>
>
>> BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
>> already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
>> the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.
>
>A LIE.

Not so, but feel free to prove the David Moore we know has ever


lived in the Chicago area.

Proving that another person, with the same first and last name,
lives in the Chicago area will not be good enough. you must prove the
David Moore we know ever lived there.
Since he never has, this will prove an impossible venture for
you.

>He enlisted in the Marines when he lived at 850 Buffalo Avenue,
>Calumet City, and he lived in Bolingbrook until his house was foreclosed and
>his wife left for Missouri.

It's very possible the David Moore who lives there did enlist in
the Marines. This doesn't prove your claim that he's the David Moore
we know.

>Property record still exist, Kunt. Too bad for you pair of LIARS.

Following your logic, everyone with the name Ken Pangborn will be
you.
Since you must accept that everyone named Ken Pangborn is you, or
admit you've been lying when you've made the FACT CLAIM that the David
Moore from Calumet City MUST be the same David we know, please explain
why you were photographed outside the LDS temple praying the leaders
would see the error of their ways when they started to ordain black
LDS members.
You can no longer claim he's a different Ken Pangborn, unless
you're willing to accept the truth that the David Moore who lives in
Calumet City, IL. is not the same David Moore we know.

krp

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"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>KENT WILLS CLAIMED:

> Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast than I
> present?

You post as an "AUTHORITY" on the subject. Another of your
self-delusions.

> If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
> than I claim.

There is NO such evidence because you only CLAIM to know the subject. I
can't claim you know what you ONVIOUSLY don't know the first thing about.
However, your TOTAL lack of knowledge, Kunt, has NEVER stopped you from
making iron-clad claims on that subject.

>>>> My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
>>>>understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
>>>>arrange for a meeting.

>>>> If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to
>>>> correct
>>>> me.

>> How would *I* know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was


>>introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
>>mother's best friend. He knew I was single and he knew about my wife and
>>that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

> Maybe so, maybe no.

IF we were in a court of law and HAD to prove it, I could and would.
However the means by which my wife and I met is documented in her US-CIS
file complete with affidavits from the other people involved.

> There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW. However, that you
> LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
> you were lying.

You did NOT "prove" that "mail order brides from CUBA" were possible.
You made a great deal of NOISE, but NONE of the facts proved your point.
Although the website YOU cited says in parts that it HAS "mail order brides
from Cuba" when you get to the actual PAGE - it admits it does NOT! Being
the MORON that you are (Polack) your argument trips all over itself. U.S.
LAW to get a woman into the U.S. (as per YOUR drunken claims) requires that
the people have actually met face to face and present PROOF of such a
meeting. THAT is the LAW, Kunt. It's not your POLISH law, it is the LAW of
the United States. So the couple would have had to meet either here or in
Cuba. It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who are NOT Cuban cannot travel to
Cuba. So such a service would run into loads of LEGAL problems in the United
States alone. NOT to mention that such services that arrange marriage
between Cubans and foreginers are illegal in Cuba. There is no LEGAL WAY
for such an outfit to get the American into Cuba. (See Office of Foreign
Assetts Control). Your argument just sputters like water drops on white hot
steel. There MAY be outfits that make those claims, but they would be SCAMS
that take your money and run. I went to Cuba LEGALLY.

>>>> Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
>>>>would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
>>>>possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
>>>>is, if she is."

>>>> Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

>> It IS impossible in Cuba.

> I proved it was possible.

No, Kunt, you CLAIMED it was possible. For all your NOISE your proof
failed.

> This didn't, and doesn't, prove the woman you married and now claim to
> be an elephant was/is a
> mail-order-bride. Only that you LIED when you claimed it was impossible.

You proved NO such thing. And in your usual POLACK best you STILL don't
realize that the elephant in the book is "BABAR" and NOT "Barbar." Nice TRY
fopr a BRAIN DEAD POLACK!

>> Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
>>available to me was proved.

> No it wasn't. The matter hasn't been proved one way or the other.

Sure it was proved. The only POSSIBLE place I could ahve had Internet
Access was at a MAJOR HOTEL, and I was 60 miles away from the nearest one on
that trip. Although you TRY to argue that I copuld ahve had access at other
places, your claims are BULLSHIT. 100% POLACK BULLSHIT.

> Contrary to your claims, access was available in Cuba. And the
> family of a judge would have been able to arrange transportation for
> you.

You are simply FULL OF SHIT. Again you TRY to presnet yourself as an
"EXPERT" on Cuba. You are 200% clueless about how things work there. Let's
go down the list of places that YOU (as the EXPERT on Cuba) and your pals
have claimed I "could have posted to usenet" from. Tell me about the
availability of gasoline in Cuba for little personal junkets even IF they
owned a car.

1. A hotel. (None within 60 miles of where I was)

2. At ETECSA (Phone compan) which in Holguin did NOT have a computer kiosk.

3. At the post office. They are for Cubans and NOT foreigners. You must BUY
cards to use them. Foreigners could not. And the systems did NOT have
access to anything but E-MAIL. Now before you get into your RAMPAGING
BULLSHIT gthat E--mail IS the internet - as to your other STUPID (hence
POLACK) arguments . . to post to USENET you will need software to accomplish
this little feet. A newsreader or mail to news gateway. How would one get it
ON the machines, Kunt? There are NO floppy drives and NO USB ports. How
would YOU as a CRACK Polish Computer Engineer get it on the system?
Download it? At 1200 baud? From WHERE? How? The machines DON'T have internet
explorer or Firefox. HOW, Kunt?

4. Go to a government office. As an American trying to commandeer a
computer in a government office in Cuba, I'd have been arrested before I
could get within 50 feet of one.

5. The home of a HIGH government official. Damn it, Kunt, I am just NOT on
Fidel's social list.

6. At one of the millions of corner Internet cafes in Cuba? (THEY DON'T
HAVE THEM!)

7. At that time Cuba had the INTRANET and NOT the Internet. That has since
changed slightly.

I should have added somewhere along the line ( I think I did mention it
once) that some UNIVERSITIES had internet access for research. I couldn't
have gotten near them either.

So as to your CLAIMED "PROOF" that I could have had access - you are
simply full of shit.

> Heck, you could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work
> in the morning. Unless you're going to try and claim you didn't spend
> time with her when you were in Cuba.

Traveled with her where? Barbara was 60 miles away from me on that trip.
We barely spoke.

>>> The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
>>> newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
>>> had gone to for help, no less.

>>Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
>>NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
>>American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID.

> Odd that his claim of living next to the CEO was and is yours alone.

Sorry the KID made the claim that the CEO of American told him that
AMerican NEVER flew to Cuba. I proved they did. The KID disappeared.

>>Lots of assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who
>>say that
>>the photos were NOT altered.

> No one in the group claimed they were not altered.

Sure they did. Even Betty HERE admitted the photos were NOT altered.

>>People can SEE for themsleves.
>>http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01/ticket_01.jpeg
>
>>The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.

> Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
> look fake?

It's on Photobucket, Kunt. ALL of them that youir PAL Moore claims are
faked are. http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/ AGAIN Kunt,
take you SHOT at PROVING them to have been altered. Take your BEST SHOT.
But, before you START with your usual STUPID DRIVEL, remember that you just
making LOTS AND LOTS OF NOISE is NOT "proof." Don't be the TOTAL POLACK, and
realize walking in that the documents are EXTERNALLY VERIFIABLE. Do you
know what that means? That means that the facts of each document CAN be
verified through the airline, through the travel agency AND via the
government, since ALL travel to Cuba IS regulated and the information CAN be
obtained via a FOIA request. It's not MY job to prove YOU wrong, it is yours
to prove ME wrong. To PROVE that my evidence is fake, and you CAN'T do that,
Kunt. Cut your loses and RUN, little boy.

And Kunt - only MOORE claimed they were fake. The kid eventually skulked
off and admitted he was wrong. OnlY DAVID MOORE continues to claim they are
fake. And before you make yourself even MORE supid than you are, one of the
documents has the official AIRPORT TAX STAMP from Cuba. IF I am good enough
to fake that - Adobe would have me on a 7 figure salary right now. Kunt you
are just a STUPID POLACK. Oh, and I have more scans than those. How do you
explain the scan of my Cuban marriage certificate?????? I am SURE you have
some POLACK claim. You've seen it several times, I sent it to you.

krp

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"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> 1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
>>>>>>> CLIENTS.
>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of
>>>>>>> Ken.
>>>>>>> (They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)
>>>>
>>>>> Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
>>>>> like David claimed they are figments.
>>>>
>>>>They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that
>>>>FALSE
>>>>statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made
>>>>him up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
>>>>Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

>>> BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
>>> already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
>>> the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.

>>A LIE.

> Not so, but feel free to prove the David Moore we know has ever
> lived in the Chicago area.


And yet your PAL, Moore (that we KNOW) made lots of arguments about the
Bolingbrook Police. And FYI, Bolingbrook is a southwest suburb of Chicago
(albeit in Will County) near Joliet and Romeoville. Largely Bolingbrook was
created in the early 70's as affordable housing for the middle class. The
older parts (where your BUDDY lived) is part of the older and more run down
part of the community, which today is largely blue collar. That doesn't mean
there aren't some nice homes. There are, But your STUPID denial that it is
our Davey is a pathetic and DESPERATE LIE. It won't work, look at dipshit's
posts as LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His posts from ANET before even Jeff
threw his ass off. Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!


freedom

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, krp <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:

>DAVID D. MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL
>"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
>news:c487187dbffdaf5c...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>>>> Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This
>>>> is
>>>> yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see
>>>> that
>>>> my post contained no such text.
>>>
>>> YOU are the one with the track record of FORGERIES, Moore.
>
>> Projection noted. Some of your more notable forgeries are documented at

>> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com


>
> They are YOUR FAKES, moore, NOT mine. You just accuse ME of your
>handiwork.

Which would explain why you had to alter the link to
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com in your reply? No worries, I'll simply put
it back so anyone can click and see what a fraud you are.

>>>> How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information
>>>> have
>>>> EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
>>>> the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
>>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that
>>> you
>>>have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!
>
>> I've never joined under a false name.
>
> You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.
>
>> And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
>> qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.
>
> Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.

As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel" yesterday,
it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

>Remember the
>Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

> Your HISTORY is abundant. Which you have used
>several aliases from time to time, your REAL NAME is David D. Moore.

I haven't claimed otherwise. You, however, have made numerous guesses as
to what the middle initial stands for. Each time, you've claimed that you
obtained it from legal documents (although in two of these cases, you got
it from bread crumbs which were left for you). Despite this, you've never
gotten it right.

>
>> I did say in the past that a few people from your list have forwarded me
>> posts from time to time. According to them, it's rather
>> pathetic....rather
>> than helping people, you do nothing but whine about me, project me as a
>> stalker, and post off-color jokes.
>
> Your claim is a LIE, Moore. NOBODY from the list is forwarding you
>anything. Besides you ADMITTED that story was a lie and that YOU are on the
>list. Getting confused about your LIES, Moore?
>
>>>You argued with Mark for weeks,
>
>> I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
>> accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction
>> as
>> your ISP.
>
> *I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.

But....but....."he" claimed "his" name was John. Oops, can't keep your
lies straight?

You claimed that you married her in September 2003. You then claimed that
prior to marrying her, you "courted" her for two years "in the Spanish
tradition."

September 2003, minus two years, is September 2001. Seriously, you should
consider getting some form of education before I humiliate you even more.

>
>>>and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
>>>things and had many shared values.
>
>> Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
>> people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?
>
> Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

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womanGoddess

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On Sep 11, 7:13 am, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Kent Wills" <compu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01...

>
> >>The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.
> >     Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
> > look fake?
>
>     It's on Photobucket, Kunt. ALL of them that youir PAL Moore claims are
> faked are.http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/AGAIN Kunt,

> take you SHOT at PROVING them to have been altered. Take your BEST SHOT.
> But, before you START with your usual STUPID DRIVEL, remember that you just
> making LOTS AND LOTS OF NOISE is NOT "proof." Don't be the TOTAL POLACK, and
> realize walking in that the documents are EXTERNALLY VERIFIABLE.  Do you
> know what that means? That means that the facts of each document CAN be
> verified through the airline, through the travel agency AND via the
> government, since ALL travel to Cuba IS regulated and the information CAN be
> obtained via a FOIA request. It's not MY job to prove YOU wrong, it is yours
> to prove ME wrong. To PROVE that my evidence is fake, and you CAN'T do that,
> Kunt.  Cut your loses and RUN, little boy.
>
>     And Kunt - only MOORE claimed they were fake. The kid eventually skulked
> off and admitted he was wrong. OnlY DAVID MOORE continues to claim they are
> fake. And before you make yourself even MORE supid than you are, one of the
> documents has the official AIRPORT TAX STAMP from Cuba. IF I am good enough
> to fake that - Adobe would have me on a 7 figure salary right now. Kunt you
> are just a STUPID POLACK. Oh, and I have more scans than those. How do you
> explain the scan of my Cuban marriage certificate?????? I am SURE you have
> some POLACK claim. You've seen it several times, I sent it to you.

Kennie bullshit noted.

I thought this was worthy of note. When Kennie in soc.veterans
claimed his spell checker altered Norman Callish's first name it was
supposedly automatic. And yet Kennie's spell checker seems to be on
the fritz when dealing with his numerous misspellings

Odd how such a software program can be so faulty.....

(( laughing))

KRP

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David D. Moore

"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information
>>>>> have
>>>>> EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only
>>>>> by
>>>>> the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that
>>>> you
>>>>have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!
>>
>>> I've never joined under a false name.
>>
>> You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.
>>
>>> And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
>>> qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.
>>
>> Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.
>
> As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel"
> yesterday,
> it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.
>
>>Remember the
>>Bolingbook Police Department?
>
> No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

>> Your claim is a LIE, Moore. NOBODY from the list is forwarding you
>>anything. Besides you ADMITTED that story was a lie and that YOU are on
>>the
>>list. Getting confused about your LIES, Moore?
>>
>>>>You argued with Mark for weeks,
>>
>>> I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
>>> accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction

>>> as our ISP.


>>
>> *I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.
>
> But....but....."he" claimed "his" name was John. Oops, can't keep your
> lies straight?

That was Kaiserdrvr.

Follow the bouncing ball Davey, SEPARATED in 2001.Married in 2004, not
2003.

>>>>and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
>>>>things and had many shared values.
>>
>>> Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
>>> people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?
>>
>> Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!
>
> Truth hurts, doesn't it?

The truth isn't hurting me, Davay, but YOUR ass is bleeding.


KRP

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DAVID MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL

"freedom" <about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
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> They were "nasty" enough that both women contacted strangers on the
> internet to dish dirt on you. But then, you admitted to cheating on
> Peggy.


More David Moore FICTION.

>>> He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English
>>
>> So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO

>>"purchasing" that went on. At least no more than is typical in marriages


>>where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims
>>on
>>this score, Moore.

>>> His own daughters won't speak to him
>>
>> Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!
>
> Absolutely true.

Abaolute BULLSHIT, MOORE


>>> Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
>>> while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.
>
> No answer to this one? ROFL!

I already said - YOU ARE LYING.

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Um.....I never threw him off, dumbass. We gave him a new screen name and I
then set up a filter to send all of your funny legal threats to the bit
bucket :-) Oh and at one point I even ran a remailer which he and others
used to avoid your silly harassment.

Remember when you made all those threats that I was going to go down with
him, from law enforcement in 4 different states? Just so you KNOW it's
really me :-) Still waiting for that knock at the door.

Hell maybe I'll even setup another remailer. We're neighbors now, you
know.....


Greegor

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Sep 12, 2009, 12:11:49 AM9/12/09
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On Sep 11, 9:25 pm, "Anonymous Remailer (austria)"
KRP > It won't work, look at dipshit's posts as
KRP > LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His
KRP > posts from ANET before even Jeff threw
KRP > his ass off.  Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!


""Jeff"" posts:


> Um.....I never threw him off, dumbass.  We gave him a new screen name and I
> then set up a filter to send all of your funny legal threats to the bit
> bucket :-)  Oh and at one point I even ran a remailer which he and others
> used to avoid your silly harassment.
>
> Remember when you made all those threats that I was going to go down with
> him, from law enforcement in 4 different states?  Just so you KNOW it's
> really me :-)  Still waiting for that knock at the door.
>
> Hell maybe I'll even setup another remailer.  We're neighbors now, you
> know.....

Pull the other leg.

freedom

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Sep 12, 2009, 4:39:01 AM9/12/09
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Says a liar from Florida.

>
>>> Your claim is a LIE, Moore. NOBODY from the list is forwarding you
>>>anything. Besides you ADMITTED that story was a lie and that YOU are on
>>>the
>>>list. Getting confused about your LIES, Moore?
>>>
>>>>>You argued with Mark for weeks,
>>>
>>>> I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
>>>> accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction
>>>> as our ISP.
>>>
>>> *I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.
>>
>> But....but....."he" claimed "his" name was John. Oops, can't keep your
>> lies straight?
>
>That was Kaiserdrvr.

Here's a post from your Internet Junction account, where you identify
yourself as John:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/77f2c192ee0ee644?hl=en&dmode=
source

Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/b8c3792d9e01f5cb?hl=en&dmod
e=source

Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/milw.general/msg/4b9923262b9201ce?hl=en&dmod
e=source

Need me to nail your fat ass to the wall any further?

Terri proved conclusively that the account belonged to you. This was the
reason you began stalking her, falsely associating her with me, etc. etc.

The KaiserDrvr account was also proved to be you. On numerous occasions,
you slipped up and posted from both accounts as yourself.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains proof of this.

Megan says it was the summer of 2002. Unlike you, I haven't caught and
exposed her in literally thousands of lies....so my instinct would be to
believe her over you.

>Married in 2004, not
>2003.

Then you lied. You once claimed you married her in 2003.


>
>>>>>and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
>>>>>things and had many shared values.
>>>
>>>> Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
>>>> people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?
>>>
>>> Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!
>>
>> Truth hurts, doesn't it?
>
>The truth isn't hurting me, Davay, but YOUR ass is bleeding.

On the contrary, I believe http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com is hurting you a
great deal. That's why you snip the URL in your replies whenever you can,
like a frightened child.

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Kent Wills

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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:39:01 +0200, freedom
<about...@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote:

[...]

>>> As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel"
>>> yesterday,
>>> it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.
>>>
>>>>Remember the
>>>>Bolingbook Police Department?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!
>
>Says a liar from Florida.

While Ken CAN be honest, the effort is typically too great for
him.

[...]

>>>>
>>>> *I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.
>>>
>>> But....but....."he" claimed "his" name was John. Oops, can't keep your
>>> lies straight?
>>
>>That was Kaiserdrvr.
>
>Here's a post from your Internet Junction account, where you identify
>yourself as John:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/77f2c192ee0ee644?hl=en&dmode=
>source
>
>Here's another:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/b8c3792d9e01f5cb?hl=en&dmod
>e=source
>
>Here's another:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/milw.general/msg/4b9923262b9201ce?hl=en&dmod
>e=source
>
>Need me to nail your fat ass to the wall any further?
>

I expect Pangborn to RUN from this thread. Or, at the very
least, dishonestly snip the proof you've posted.

>Terri proved conclusively that the account belonged to you. This was the
>reason you began stalking her, falsely associating her with me, etc. etc.
>
>The KaiserDrvr account was also proved to be you. On numerous occasions,
>you slipped up and posted from both accounts as yourself.
>http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains proof of this.

What's perhaps most sad is that Pangborn thinks his behavior is
normal.

[...]

>>>>
>>>>> So, you were single in September of 2001? This is when you claim that
>>>>> your
>>>>> "courtship" of Barbara began.
>>>>
>>>> That is NOT when I claimed it began, that when YOU claimed it began.
>>
>>> You claimed that you married her in September 2003. You then claimed that
>>> prior to marrying her, you "courted" her for two years "in the Spanish
>>> tradition."
>>>
>>> September 2003, minus two years, is September 2001. Seriously, you should
>>> consider getting some form of education before I humiliate you even more.
>>
>> Follow the bouncing ball Davey, SEPARATED in 2001.
>
>Megan says it was the summer of 2002. Unlike you, I haven't caught and
>exposed her in literally thousands of lies....so my instinct would be to
>believe her over you.
>
>>Married in 2004, not
>>2003.
>
>Then you lied. You once claimed you married her in 2003.
>

Which wedding? The one they had in Cuba so that she could leave
(even though, according to Ken Fidel Castro ordered the plane to turn
around), or the one in the U.S. so that Barbara wouldn't be deported?
For any new readers, Ken actually claimed that he married Barbara
in the U.S. so that she could stay. That, as a Cuban, she couldn't be
deported without one heck of a good reason, didn't matter to Ken.

>
>>
>>>>>>and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
>>>>>>things and had many shared values.
>>>>
>>>>> Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
>>>>> people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?
>>>>
>>>> Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!
>>>
>>> Truth hurts, doesn't it?
>>
>>The truth isn't hurting me, Davay, but YOUR ass is bleeding.
>
>On the contrary, I believe http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com is hurting you a
>great deal. That's why you snip the URL in your replies whenever you can,
>like a frightened child.

I can't know, of course, but I have to suspect some people check
the link simply because his alters it. Some people will want to know
why.

>
>http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
>The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
>criminals

Kent Wills

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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:13:38 GMT, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:bh1ka5dphvupo3j49...@4ax.com...
>
>>>KENT WILLS CLAIMED:
>
>> Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast than I
>> present?
>
> You post as an "AUTHORITY" on the subject. Another of your
>self-delusions.

You hold the drunken belief that I'm an authority on
mail-order-brides, even after I freely admit I am not, yet claim *I*
present that I am? How, in your drunken delusions, does one stating
they are not an authority on a subject make them an authority on a
subject?

>
>> If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
>> than I claim.
>
> There is NO such evidence because you only CLAIM to know the subject.

I claim I have very limited knowledge. I know mail-order-bride
services exist.
That may be enough in your inebriated mind to qualify as having
authoritative knowledge, but for the mentally sound members of
society, it is not.

>I
>can't claim you know what you ONVIOUSLY don't know the first thing about.
>However, your TOTAL lack of knowledge, Kunt, has NEVER stopped you from
>making iron-clad claims on that subject.

What iron-clad statement have I made?
I've stated mail-order-brides do exists. There is ample evidence
to support the claim.
I stated that it's possible your wife is such a bride. While it
is possible, this doesn't prove she is. That you claimed it was and
is impossible, even after I PROVED it was and is possible, gives ample
reason to suspect she was and is.

>
>>>>> My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
>>>>>understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
>>>>>arrange for a meeting.
>
>>>>> If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to
>>>>> correct
>>>>> me.
>
>>> How would *I* know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
>>>introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
>>>mother's best friend. He knew I was single and he knew about my wife and
>>>that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.
>
>> Maybe so, maybe no.
>
> IF we were in a court of law and HAD to prove it, I could and would.
>However the means by which my wife and I met is documented in her US-CIS
>file complete with affidavits from the other people involved.

Gee, I've read accounts of many MOB's who, according to records,
wouldn't legally be seen as MOB's. If not for the fact that those
involved admitted to it, it would appear, on the surface, as a
"standard" meeting and falling in love.

>
>> There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW. However, that you
>> LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
>> you were lying.
>
> You did NOT "prove" that "mail order brides from CUBA" were possible.

Yes, I did.
You whined that the site was for Cubans only. Of course, you
were also trying to present that Cubans don't have access to the
Internet.

>You made a great deal of NOISE, but NONE of the facts proved your point.

The facts proved that it was and is possible.

>Although the website YOU cited says in parts that it HAS "mail order brides
>from Cuba" when you get to the actual PAGE - it admits it does NOT!

Liar. That was the site YOU linked to, not me.

>Being
>the MORON that you are (Polack)

Your bigotry is well known and documented. A very small sample
of the documentation, consisting of your writings, can be seen at
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

>your argument trips all over itself. U.S.
>LAW to get a woman into the U.S. (as per YOUR drunken claims) requires that
>the people have actually met face to face and present PROOF of such a
>meeting. THAT is the LAW, Kunt.

That's what mail-order-bride companies do. They arrange a
meeting.
You've already acknowledged this truth.

>It's not your POLISH law, it is the LAW of
>the United States. So the couple would have had to meet either here or in
>Cuba.

Agreed.
Once again you are forced to argue points not in contention in a
futile effort to distract from the truth.

>It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who are NOT Cuban cannot travel to
>Cuba.

Are you claiming you broke the law when you met Barbara?

>So such a service would run into loads of LEGAL problems in the United
>States alone. NOT to mention that such services that arrange marriage
>between Cubans and foreginers are illegal in Cuba. There is no LEGAL WAY
>for such an outfit to get the American into Cuba. (See Office of Foreign
>Assetts Control).

So they're illegal.
Prostitution is also illegal in Cuba. According to you, it still
occurs.
And no, I'm not claiming Barbara was a prostitute.

>Your argument just sputters like water drops on white hot
>steel. There MAY be outfits that make those claims, but they would be SCAMS
>that take your money and run. I went to Cuba LEGALLY.

But above you imply you couldn't have.

>
>>>>> Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
>>>>>would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
>>>>>possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
>>>>>is, if she is."
>
>>>>> Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.
>
>>> It IS impossible in Cuba.
>
>> I proved it was possible.
>
> No, Kunt, you CLAIMED it was possible. For all your NOISE your proof
>failed.

You can deny the truth all you want. I doubt anyone is falling
for it.

>
>> This didn't, and doesn't, prove the woman you married and now claim to
>> be an elephant was/is a
>> mail-order-bride. Only that you LIED when you claimed it was impossible.
>
> You proved NO such thing.

Lie all you want. No amount of your lying will ever alter the
truth.

>And in your usual POLACK best you STILL don't
>realize that the elephant in the book is "BABAR" and NOT "Barbar." Nice TRY
>fopr a BRAIN DEAD POLACK!

You're the one who used an elephant's name to refer to your wife.
It's claimed, with no supporting evidence I hasten to add, that
she's a large woman. Maybe you let some truth slip out when you
refereed to her by an elephant's name.

>
>>> Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
>>>available to me was proved.
>
>> No it wasn't. The matter hasn't been proved one way or the other.
>
> Sure it was proved.

Liar.

>The only POSSIBLE place I could ahve had Internet
>Access was at a MAJOR HOTEL, and I was 60 miles away from the nearest one on
>that trip. Although you TRY to argue that I copuld ahve had access at other
>places, your claims are BULLSHIT. 100% POLACK BULLSHIT.

You could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work. She,
or a member of her family, could have arranged for someone to take you
to the nearest point of access.
You alone believe the family of a judge couldn't arrange
transportation.

>
>> Contrary to your claims, access was available in Cuba. And the
>> family of a judge would have been able to arrange transportation for
>> you.
>
> You are simply FULL OF SHIT. Again you TRY to presnet yourself as an
>"EXPERT" on Cuba.

I understand your alcohol induced mental illness (unless you
lied) forces you to honestly believe I'm an expert, but the truth is,
I am not.
No amount of your lying about this will alter the truth.

>You are 200% clueless about how things work there. Let's
>go down the list of places that YOU (as the EXPERT on Cuba) and your pals
>have claimed I "could have posted to usenet" from. Tell me about the
>availability of gasoline in Cuba for little personal junkets even IF they
>owned a car.
>
>1. A hotel. (None within 60 miles of where I was)

That would have been the most comfortable place, I expect.

>
>2. At ETECSA (Phone compan) which in Holguin did NOT have a computer kiosk.
>
>3. At the post office. They are for Cubans and NOT foreigners.

Yet at least one American tourist was able to make use of one.
How was he able to buck the system?

>You must BUY
>cards to use them. Foreigners could not.

But one gentleman, I think his name is Glen, was able to do just
that.

>And the systems did NOT have
>access to anything but E-MAIL. Now before you get into your RAMPAGING
>BULLSHIT gthat E--mail IS the internet - as to your other STUPID (hence
>POLACK) arguments . . to post to USENET you will need software to accomplish
>this little feet.

Outside of your drunken delusions, E-mail is a part of the
Internet. I posted ample links that prove this out.
You RAN from the truth, as you so often do.

>A newsreader or mail to news gateway. How would one get it
>ON the machines, Kunt? There are NO floppy drives and NO USB ports. How
>would YOU as a CRACK Polish Computer Engineer get it on the system?

Outside of your drunken delusions and bigotry, I'm not a computer
engineer.
I have accepted the truth that your mental illness forces you to
believe I am an expert on most everything under the sun, but the truth
is, I am not.
You NEED professional mental heath care, Ken. You've claimed you
were found legally insane, so clearly you recognize your behavior is
not mentally sound. This is an important first step, but admitting
your ill isn't the end of the trip. You'll need help.



>Download it? At 1200 baud? From WHERE? How? The machines DON'T have internet
>explorer or Firefox. HOW, Kunt?

You could have easily sent an E-mail to any number of E-mail to
News addresses.
I detailed how this could have been done over a year ago.

>
>4. Go to a government office. As an American trying to commandeer a
>computer in a government office in Cuba, I'd have been arrested before I
>could get within 50 feet of one.

Probably.

>
>5. The home of a HIGH government official. Damn it, Kunt, I am just NOT on
>Fidel's social list.

But Barbara may have been. You did claim Castro ordered the
plane she was on to turn around.
Yes, you did make that claim. It was laugh out loud reading.

>
>6. At one of the millions of corner Internet cafes in Cuba? (THEY DON'T
>HAVE THEM!)
>

Then why are you claiming there are millions?

>7. At that time Cuba had the INTRANET and NOT the Internet. That has since
>changed slightly.

So the web site that you claim is for Cubans only was just
sitting out there, with no way for anyone to access it?

>
> I should have added somewhere along the line ( I think I did mention it
>once) that some UNIVERSITIES had internet access for research. I couldn't
>have gotten near them either.

I mentioned universities, and you agreed that there was limited
access.

>
> So as to your CLAIMED "PROOF" that I could have had access - you are
>simply full of shit.

I was able to prove you could. This doesn't prove you did, a
truth I've always acknowledged. I was only able to prove you could
have posted, had you wanted.

>
>> Heck, you could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work
>> in the morning. Unless you're going to try and claim you didn't spend
>> time with her when you were in Cuba.
>
> Traveled with her where? Barbara was 60 miles away from me on that trip.
>We barely spoke.

So you went to Cuba to spend time with your, at the time, future
wife, yet barely spoke?
Do you spend ANY time thinking through your lies?

>
>>>> The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
>>>> newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
>>>> had gone to for help, no less.
>
>>>Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
>>>NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
>>>American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID.
>
>> Odd that his claim of living next to the CEO was and is yours alone.
>
> Sorry the KID made the claim that the CEO of American told him that
>AMerican NEVER flew to Cuba. I proved they did. The KID disappeared.

He made no such claim.
You may recall my linking to the thread on Google.

>
>>>Lots of assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who
>>>say that
>>>the photos were NOT altered.
>
>> No one in the group claimed they were not altered.
>
> Sure they did. Even Betty HERE admitted the photos were NOT altered.

She stated she couldn't tell. Not the same as what you are LYING
about.

>
>>>People can SEE for themsleves.
>>>http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01/ticket_01.jpeg
>>
>>>The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.
>
>> Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
>> look fake?
>
> It's on Photobucket, Kunt. ALL of them that youir PAL Moore claims are
>faked are. http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/ AGAIN Kunt,
>take you SHOT at PROVING them to have been altered.

I've not claimed they are. Only that one LOOKS altered.
You acknowledged the font and ink looks different.

>Take your BEST SHOT.
>But, before you START with your usual STUPID DRIVEL, remember that you just
>making LOTS AND LOTS OF NOISE is NOT "proof." Don't be the TOTAL POLACK, and

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

It's nice that you wish to offer more PROOF that you're a bigot,
but it's so accepted that additional proof is no longer needed.

>realize walking in that the documents are EXTERNALLY VERIFIABLE. Do you
>know what that means? That means that the facts of each document CAN be
>verified through the airline, through the travel agency AND via the
>government, since ALL travel to Cuba IS regulated and the information CAN be
>obtained via a FOIA request. It's not MY job to prove YOU wrong, it is yours
>to prove ME wrong.

You must PROVE your claim that the tickets are genuine and valid.
You made the claim that they are, so it befalls you to prove it.

>To PROVE that my evidence is fake, and you CAN'T do that,
>Kunt. Cut your loses and RUN, little boy.

It's not my job to prove them fakes. It's your burden to prove
them real.
If they are fakes, you'll never be able to prove them to be real.

>
> And Kunt - only MOORE claimed they were fake.

So you LIED above when you stated I claimed they were fakes.

>The kid eventually skulked
>off and admitted he was wrong.

Why do you lie?

>OnlY DAVID MOORE continues to claim they are
>fake.

In over two years, I've not seen him comment one way or the
other.

>And before you make yourself even MORE supid than you are, one of the

>documents has the official AIRPORT TAX STAMP from Cuba. IF I am good enough
>to fake that - Adobe would have me on a 7 figure salary right now.

If not for your obvious mental illness.

>Kunt you
>are just a STUPID POLACK.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

Anyone with an interest can see the documentation of your bigotry
at the TRUTH site linked above.

>Oh, and I have more scans than those. How do you
>explain the scan of my Cuban marriage certificate?????? I am SURE you have
>some POLACK claim. You've seen it several times, I sent it to you.
>

I've stated you've been to Cuba. That you were able to bring
Barbara back proves this. No one is denying that you've been to Cuba.
Again you try to distract from the truth by arguing a point that
no one is disputing.
Do you honestly think you're fooling anyone?

Kent Wills

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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:20:23 GMT, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:

[...]

>>>> BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you


>>>> already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
>>>> the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.
>
>>>A LIE.
>
>> Not so, but feel free to prove the David Moore we know has ever
>> lived in the Chicago area.
>
>
> And yet your PAL, Moore (that we KNOW)

I count the David Moore we know as one of my friends. Nothing
new there.
I might count others with the same first and last name as
friends, if I knew them.

>made lots of arguments about the
>Bolingbrook Police.

Where's the evidence to support such a claim?
Since the David Moore we know has never lived in the Chicago
area, you can't offer any. All we have are your claims. Given how
often you are PROVED to be a liar, your claims fall far short.
There may have been someone named David Moore who lived there.
Heck, I'll accept that there was, since someone else with the same
first and last name living there doesn't matter.

>And FYI, Bolingbrook is a southwest suburb of Chicago

Having lived in Chicago land for a number of years (mostly Du
Page County, though I lived in Cook County for one year), I am well
aware of many of the villages.
A woman I dated very briefly lived in Bolingbrook.

>(albeit in Will County) near Joliet and Romeoville. Largely Bolingbrook was
>created in the early 70's as affordable housing for the middle class. The
>older parts (where your BUDDY lived)

Prove the David Moore we know ever lived in Bolingbrook. Proving
that another person with the same first and last name lived there,
while nice, isn't going to be enough.

>is part of the older and more run down
>part of the community, which today is largely blue collar. That doesn't mean
>there aren't some nice homes. There are, But your STUPID denial that it is
>our Davey is a pathetic and DESPERATE LIE.

It's not a lie. You've been stalking the wrong David Moore for
years.

>It won't work, look at dipshit's
>posts as LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His posts from ANET before even Jeff
>threw his ass off. Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!

If you'd be kind enough to post links to the posts you reference,
I'll check them out. If they prove your claim, I will state so. If
they don't, I will state so and explain exactly how they fail.

krp

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"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>KENT WILLS CLAIMED:
>>
>>> Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast than I
>>> present?
>>
>> You post as an "AUTHORITY" on the subject. Another of your
>>self-delusions.

> You hold the drunken belief that I'm an authority on
> mail-order-brides,

Yet you keep arguing like you ARE!! If you are NOT an expert - then
STFU and quit arguing about it.

>>> If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
>>> than I claim.
>>
>> There is NO such evidence because you only CLAIM to know the subject.

> I claim I have very limited knowledge. I know mail-order-bride
> services exist.

You claim they are "SELLING" women from Cuba. The one website you
offered as proof does NOT support your claim, but YOU claim to know
otherwise. You have REPEATEDLY posted your claims that I "BOUGHT" my wife
through a "service." That is claiming "knowledge," Kunt.


> Gee, I've read accounts of many MOB's who, according to records,
> wouldn't legally be seen as MOB's. If not for the fact that those
> involved admitted to it, it would appear, on the surface, as a
> "standard" meeting and falling in love.

Kunt you have such a TINY brain. You keep looking UP at an IQ of 15 and
hoping one day to attain it. Sure there are services that sell mail order
brides. HOWEVER the laws affecting those countiries are vastly different
than those that apply to Cubans. We could write a book on that. There is the
"Cuban adjustment act" that comes into play. And visas for Cubans are
INTENSELY scrutinized for rather obvious reasons. Most Americans CANNOT
legally travel to Cuba. Cubans are generally FORBIDDEN from foreign travel.
So the immigraton folks demand PROOF that they have met. Because it is
possible for women from the Phillipines (as ONE example) could travel
freely, and Americans CAN legally travel there, far fewer questions are
asked. Ditto for Japan and South Korea. Even Chinese. You have such a
limited mental capacity and such a BLOATED EGO that it is impossible for you
to understand such differences. Of course if I don't spell out EVERY
miniscule detail, and you bring us to a point where that detail contradicts
you, you just start LOUDLY claiming I changed my story.


>>> There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW. However, that you
>>> LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
>>> you were lying.
>
>> You did NOT "prove" that "mail order brides from CUBA" were possible.

> Yes, I did.

No, Kunt, you only made a great deal of NOISE claiming you did. Your own
sources failed to support your claims.


>>Although the website YOU cited says in parts that it HAS "mail order
>>brides
>>from Cuba" when you get to the actual PAGE - it admits it does NOT!
>
> Liar. That was the site YOU linked to, not me.

No it was tha same site YOU referenced. They changed it. PROVE
OTHERWISE. SHow us the site you CLAIM shows mail order brides for sale from
CUBA.


>>your argument trips all over itself. U.S.
>>LAW to get a woman into the U.S. (as per YOUR drunken claims) requires
>>that
>>the people have actually met face to face and present PROOF of such a
>>meeting. THAT is the LAW, Kunt.

> That's what mail-order-bride companies do. They arrange a meeting.
> You've already acknowledged this truth.

HOW, Kunt, do they "arrange a meeting" in Cuba when travel TO Cuba for
Americans (without a treasury department license) is a CRIME? Tell us HOW a
Mail Order Bride company would GET legitimate licenses for travel to Cuba!!
Please be specific how they "ARRANGE" this small fete. Let's say, for the
sake of argument, that they fly you to Bermuda and they get you on a plane
to Havana from there. Both you and THEY would be committing Federal
felonies.

>>It's not your POLISH law, it is the LAW of the United States. So the
>>couple would have had to meet either here or in
>>Cuba.

> Agreed.

Fine so HOW do they "arrange a meeting between an Americna man and his
PURCHASED Cuban bride?" HOWE, in your EXPERT OPINION, Kunt, do they work
this out? You see IF they did as a business practice they would be guilty
of several felonies. And the Feds have absolutely NO sense of humor OR
romance. So, Kunt, HOW do they work this out?

> Once again you are forced to argue points not in contention in a
> futile effort to distract from the truth.

Yiu fail to understand the contradictions in your claim.

>>It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who are NOT Cuban cannot travel to
>>Cuba.

> Are you claiming you broke the law when you met Barbara?

No, Kunt, I said I traveled to Cuba on a Treasury License. You always
OMIT facts not suited to whatever STUPID argument you are trying to make at
the time. I said that on my FIRST trip I went on a "FAMILY visit which I
could at that time before GW Bush changed the law and re-defined "family"
which was now changed back under President Obama. Later visits I went other
other licenses. I traveled LEGALLY. But most Americans CANNOT. You cannot
get a license to go to Cuba to get a "Mail Order Bride." Too bad your memory
is so bad of things we have already discussed into the ground.

>>So such a service would run into loads of LEGAL problems in the United
>>States alone. NOT to mention that such services that arrange marriage
>>between Cubans and foreginers are illegal in Cuba. There is no LEGAL WAY
>>for such an outfit to get the American into Cuba. (See Office of Foreign
>>Assetts Control).

> So they're illegal.

Well that's more than a little simplistic, Kunt. The POINT is that such
a swervice would be a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. It would violate the laws of both
Cuba and THE U.S..

> Prostitution is also illegal in Cuba. According to you, it still
> occurs.

Yes, even child prostitution. But Cuba is agressively (Thanks to Fidel)
trying to stomp it out. With the level of poverty that socialism has caused
and cotinues to cause, the task is near impossible.

> And no, I'm not claiming Barbara was a prostitute.

Moore has claimed it and you seem to SUGGEST it by continually bringing
the subject up.

>>Your argument just sputters like water drops on white hot
>>steel. There MAY be outfits that make those claims, but they would be
>>SCAMS
>>that take your money and run. I went to Cuba LEGALLY.

> But above you imply you couldn't have.

No, Kunt, YOU LIE. We've had this BULLSHIT discussion before. My son-in
law is Cuban. Under the laws that existed when I made my first trip - it was
a legal "family visit." I went to see a "great aunt" of my son in law (his
father's aunt) because she was dying. THEY wouldn't go to Cuba until Castro
is gone. They have hard feelings in that regard, but *I* could go and bring
the family there photos of my grandsons etc here, get a video and photos to
bring back. Including the grandfather of my son's father. Which brought him
to tears. She did die a few months later. But seeing her nephew and his kids
and grandchildren brought a bit of joy to her. A big thing to people living
on an imprisoned island.


>>>>>> Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
>>>>>>would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
>>>>>>possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
>>>>>>is, if she is."
>>
>>>>>> Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.
>>
>>>> It IS impossible in Cuba.
>>
>>> I proved it was possible.

>> No, Kunt, you CLAIMED it was possible. For all your NOISE your proof
>> failed.

> You can deny the truth all you want. I doubt anyone is falling for
> it.

Kunt, regardless of how many times you say something, it doesn't make it
true just because YOU said it. I think folks note that you have FAILED to
post any support for your claims. I HAVE.


>>And in your usual POLACK best you STILL don't
>>realize that the elephant in the book is "BABAR" and NOT "Barbar." Nice
>>TRY

>>for a BRAIN DEAD POLACK!

> You're the one who used an elephant's name to refer to your wife.
> It's claimed, with no supporting evidence I hasten to add, that
> she's a large woman. Maybe you let some truth slip out when you
> refereed to her by an elephant's name.

Kunt, the elephant in the story is named "BABAR" and not "BARBAR." You
ignotant Polack.

> You could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work. She,
> or a member of her family, could have arranged for someone to take you
> to the nearest point of access.
> You alone believe the family of a judge couldn't arrange
> transportation.

Sorry Davey, while I MET Barbara in person on that trip I didn't stay
with her. TRY to keep track of what TRIPS you are speaking of. I have had
several to Cuba.

>>You are 200% clueless about how things work there. Let's
>>go down the list of places that YOU (as the EXPERT on Cuba) and your pals
>>have claimed I "could have posted to usenet" from. Tell me about the
>>availability of gasoline in Cuba for little personal junkets even IF they
>>owned a car.

>>1. A hotel. (None within 60 miles of where I was)

> That would have been the most comfortable place, I expect.

Except for the FACT that on that trip the nearest hotel was about 65
miles away, and I had NO transportation.


>>2. At ETECSA (Phone compan) which in Holguin did NOT have a computer
>>kiosk.

>>3. At the post office. They are for Cubans and NOT foreigners.

> Yet at least one American tourist was able to make use of one. How
> was he able to buck the system?

First he was fluent in Spanish. Secondly that system was in a VERY small
town and there was no LINE to deal with.

>>You must BUY cards to use them. Foreigners could not.

> But one gentleman, I think his name is Glen, was able to do just that.

He had a Cuban woman do that for him. If you are going to relate his
story, Kunt, please do it accurately. Why not mention he was also a VERY
pro-Communist?

>>And the systems did NOT have
>>access to anything but E-MAIL. Now before you get into your RAMPAGING
>>BULLSHIT gthat E--mail IS the internet - as to your other STUPID (hence
>>POLACK) arguments . . to post to USENET you will need software to
>>accomplish
>>this little feet.

> Outside of your drunken delusions, E-mail is a part of the
> Internet. I posted ample links that prove this out.
> You RAN from the truth, as you so often do.

Really? So it is YOUR claim that if you have e-mail you can "SURF the
net?" How does one do that without a browser like Netscape, Internet
Explorer, Firefox etc? HOW would you get to read and post to Usenet with NO
newsreader? Just HOW, Kunt do you do that with NO software? HOW do you get
to a mail to news gateway with NO software to take you there? On your
special Polack computer? Access to e-mail is NOT access to the internet.
NOW before you compound your STUPIDITY (Polack) how would he (or I) get the
necessary software ONTO the Computer? There are NO floppy drives. NO USB
ports. NO imput other than the keyboard or mouse. How do they work this
magic out in Poland, Kunt?

>>A newsreader or mail to news gateway. How would one get it
>>ON the machines, Kunt? There are NO floppy drives and NO USB ports. How
>>would YOU as a CRACK Polish Computer Engineer get it on the system?

> Outside of your drunken delusions and bigotry, I'm not a computer
> engineer.

And yet you PRETEND to be when it suits you. This avoids gthe question,
HOW would you get the NECESSARY SOFTWARE onto the computer with no floppy
drives and NO USB ports or the like.

> I have accepted the truth that your mental illness forces you to
> believe I am an expert on most everything under the sun, but the truth
> is, I am not.

I suffer NO illusions about your TOTAL LACK of knowledge in these many
Subjects,Kunt, but the FACT of your total ignmorance NEVER seems to slow
down your mouth in arguing with people who DO have direct knowledge (such as
I do about Cuba).

>>Download it? At 1200 baud? From WHERE? How? The machines DON'T have
>>internet
>>explorer or Firefox. HOW, Kunt?

> You could have easily sent an E-mail to any number of E-mail to News
> addresses.

HOW would I have been able to do that? And access an anonymous remailer?
How does that work, Kunt??

> I detailed how this could have been done over a year ago.

No Kunt the NOT A COMPUTER ENGINEER, you did NOT. You made NOISE a year
ago. (More like 2).

>>4. Go to a government office. As an American trying to commandeer a
>>computer in a government office in Cuba, I'd have been arrested before I
>>could get within 50 feet of one.

> Probably.

Definitely. Barbara and I paid a visit to her office. I was not allowed
in, I had to wait out on the street - the two ARMED police at the door were
a BIG deterrent.

>>5. The home of a HIGH government official. Damn it, Kunt, I am just NOT on
>>Fidel's social list.

> But Barbara may have been.

Hardly, Kunt, she was a Tax Court Judge in a eastern province (state),
NOT a high ranking offical and NOT a member of the Communist party.

> You did claim Castro ordered the plane she was on to turn around.
> Yes, you did make that claim. It was laugh out loud reading.

I said the TOWER ordered the plane back, I said NOTHING abouit Castro
ordering the plane back You mist be hitting the CRACK pipe again, Wills.

>>6. At one of the millions of corner Internet cafes in Cuba? (THEY DON'T
>>HAVE THEM!)

> Then why are you claiming there are millions?

Making fun of you, Kunt.

>>7. At that time Cuba had the INTRANET and NOT the Internet. That has since
>>changed slightly.

> So the web site that you claim is for Cubans only was just
> sitting out there, with no way for anyone to access it?

Mostly true, Kunt. Which is why they NOW don't list Cubans. Or haven't
you noticed? I suppose you have, in that you say today it isn't the same
site you used back then. ODD that you don't list it today to again "POINT
OUT" my lies when you usually get orgasmic when you can or think you can.

>> I should have added somewhere along the line ( I think I did mention
>> it
>>once) that some UNIVERSITIES had internet access for research. I couldn't
>>have gotten near them either.

> I mentioned universities, and you agreed that there was limited
> access.

No, Kunt, the universites have FULL Intedrnet access for faculty and
special students.

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