False rape accusations
Bodhisattvacat
National Confederation of Free Men (http://www.ncfm.org) study has
shown - that there are many women who falsely accuse men of rape or
sexual harrassment in order to play the victim and manipulate opinion
against their adversaries. There were gasps. The next day, a corpulent
Japanese-born woman came in with her cheeks puffed up shouting that I
had been sending stacks of email to her boyfriend, whose email address
I did not even know. I said I did not know his email address, she
continued shouting accusations in front of people, I said, "You look
like a blowfish," she stormed out of the room and told the accusation
to the people in charge. In an hour she was speaking before an audience
saying that she would not have me if I was the last man on earth -
pretending as though it was not the same way the other way around.
The psychology of women necessitates the following: That the women who
truly get raped or harrassed rarely say a word about it, whereas the
ones who do are usually lying. The good women - the compassionate,
fair, gentle, kind-hearted women that embody the virtues of womanhood -
generally believe that 10 or 15 years in jail, repeated buggery and
battery, and loss of career prospects and friends is too sharp a
punishment to pay for a single violent act. The women who do come
forth, are typically hate-filled liars with a giant sense of
entitlement, who think that a slight, a real or an imaginary, by a man
entitles her to ruining his life - and her fact of being a woman
entitles her to victim status and public sympathy.
The Southern culture features a long-run pattern of white women falsely
accusing black men of rape. The man at the receiving end of false rape
accusations in modern America, South or North, is still typically an
outsider. A friend of mine, a young Turkish American, was falsely
accused of rape and served 3 months in jail awaiting his trial; his
accuser didn't show up. In the meanwhile, he experienced the worst of
treatment that a man in jail accused of rape experiences.
The false rape accuser is typically driven by a sense of entitlement,
hatred of men and self-importance beyond all measure. Typically not
gifted with beauty or a good heart, the false rape accuser wants the
attention and sympathy that come from playing the victim - attention
that she is unable to get in any other way. She sees it as way to claim
for herself the perks of womanhood - the perks that men legitimately
don't offer her on their own volition due to her failure to possess
inner or outer beauty.
I know several women who have been raped. They all dealt with it
differently. The one who pressed charges against her perpetrator had
been brutally violated, with the kind of cruelty, barbarism and long-
term physical trauma for which a sentence given the rapists is indeed
appropriate. Others, who were raped not as badly, did not come forth;
they managed to deal with what happened to them in a way they knew
how - by simply forgetting, by moving on, or in one case by confronting
the attacker verbally in person many years after the fact. I support
all of them in their decisions, especially the last one; what she did
took courage. But in a climate of mass hysteria, in which the worst
kind of women prevail on men's goodwill and women's fears to prosecute
and falsely convict innocent men of rape and sexual harrassment,
courage is also exhibited by one who stands up to such mass hysteria
and says, at risk of himself being falsely accused and demonized, This
Shall Not Pass.
The NCFM study shows that the mass hysteria of 1990s had plenty of
innocent victims, and that it hurt far more people than it has helped.
Such is the case with all mass hysterias. When people suspend reason
and virtue in deference to emotional and moral manipulation, demons run
amok and cause horrible crimes to be committed in the name of fighting
crime. The 1990s feminists have plenty of innocent blood on their
hands - and, just like blood of innocent men who because of them were
subjected to prison buggery, it is quite sticky.
Ilya Shambat
http://www.geocities.com/drr0cket
Francis A. Miniter
><snip>
>The psychology of women necessitates the following: That the women who
>truly get raped or harrassed rarely say a word about it, whereas the
>ones who do are usually lying. The good women - the compassionate,
>fair, gentle, kind-hearted women that embody the virtues of womanhood -
>generally believe that 10 or 15 years in jail, repeated buggery and
>battery, and loss of career prospects and friends is too sharp a
>punishment to pay for a single violent act. The women who do come
>forth, are typically hate-filled liars with a giant sense of
>entitlement, who think that a slight, a real or an imaginary, by a man
>entitles her to ruining his life - and her fact of being a woman
>entitles her to victim status and public sympathy.
><snip>
>Ilya Shambat
>http://www.geocities.com/drr0cket
>
Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the stake,
while non-witches sink and drown. And you don't think that rape can
ruin a woman's life??? And rape is just a "slight" ??? This is sick.
Francis A. Miniter
Bob
> Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the stake,
> while non-witches sink and drown.
Irrelevant twaddle.
> And you don't think that rape can
> ruin a woman's life???
Rape is sex, and sex is something that normal people do every week or
so. The only difference between rape and usual sex is that she doesn't
get to decide that time. She lost her power to control the man.
No, sex without her power DOES NOT ruin her life. Sex is not injurious,
nor does sex usually cause any long term injuries. Sex is no more
injurious than going to the kitchen for a pizza. Sex is a NORMAL
physical act, and bodies have special physical features intended to do
sex. The sex act does not change depending on who decides to do it.
Her feelings are hurt, and she has an excuse to play victimology and
hate for decades, but no, if her life is ruined it's her own fault. Hate
and victimology can ruin someone's life, but one sex act won't.
> And rape is just a "slight" ??? This is sick.
> Francis A. Miniter
Rape is her losing her power to control men. Boo Hoo.
It's a small slight. Worth maybe $20 to $40 on the street.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
Francis A. Miniter
Why don't you publish your full name. I am sure that such a macho man
as you has nothing to hide. Assuming you act on your beliefs (?), I
trust you will enjoy your stay in prison. By the way, rape is not sex;
it is physical and psychological violence designed to humiliate. I've
also heard that most rapists can't even orgasm without being violent
first. Is it true?
Francis A. Miniter
Bob
> Hi Bob,
> Why don't you publish your full name. I am sure that such a macho man
> as you has nothing to hide. Assuming you act on your beliefs (?), I
> trust you will enjoy your stay in prison.
Another typical hate mongering femroid bitch. The usual "in prison"
ad-hominem. That was old when your mama tried it, toots.
> By the way, rape is not sex;
ROFLMAO!!! Go back to 8th grade sex education and take it again.
> it is physical and psychological violence designed to humiliate.
Yada, yada, yada. Females like you think that sex is about power to
dominate men so you ASSume that men use sex to dominate women. Wrong.
Even when your miserable power to use sex as a weapon to dominate men is
taken away, (boo hoo) sex is still sex.
> I've
> also heard that most rapists can't even orgasm without being violent
> first. Is it true?
In the rape crisis center counselor's guide it says that many women have
orgasm during rape, because rape is sex and many women get so turned on
by the sex.
Tell us bitch, how long did your hate have to fester before you got
those ugly lines in your face?
G*rd*n
> Hi Bob,
>
> Why don't you publish your full name.
"Troll".
--
(<><>) /*/
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{ http://www.etaoin.com | latest new material 5/10/04 <-adv't
smw
Francis A. Miniter wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> Why don't you publish your full name.
Well, clearly he's scared of all the chicks who'd come to his door
begging for his weenie. I mean, d'uh.
Maevele
> >
> >
> > Rape is her losing her power to control men. Boo Hoo.
> >
> >
>
Actually, it's about her losing her power to control her own sexuality.
--
Maevele
take out the bitch to email me.
Dr Chaos
> The psychology of women necessitates the following: That the women who
> truly get raped or harrassed rarely say a word about it, whereas the
> ones who do are usually lying. The good women - the compassionate,
> fair, gentle, kind-hearted women that embody the virtues of womanhood -
> generally believe that 10 or 15 years in jail, repeated buggery and
> battery, and loss of career prospects and friends is too sharp a
> punishment to pay for a single violent act. The women who do come
> forth, are typically hate-filled liars with a giant sense of
> entitlement, who think that a slight, a real or an imaginary, by a man
> entitles her to ruining his life - and her fact of being a woman
> entitles her to victim status and public sympathy.
a violent rape isn't exactly a "slight".
> The Southern culture features a long-run pattern of white women falsely
> accusing black men of rape.
after they were caught by their daddies or brothers screwing the black
stud (voluntarily).
Dr Chaos
> Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>> Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the stake,
>> while non-witches sink and drown.
>
> Irrelevant twaddle.
>
>
>> And you don't think that rape can
>> ruin a woman's life???
>
> Rape is sex, and sex is something that normal people do every week or
> so. The only difference between rape and usual sex is that she doesn't
> get to decide that time. She lost her power to control the man.
Kind of like how armed bank robbery is sort of like going to the ATM
machine, without the pesky subtraction operator.
In reality, robbery is punished more severely than embezzlement---and
both get punsihed.
> It's a small slight. Worth maybe $20 to $40 on the street.
bullshit.
krp
"Francis A. Miniter" <min...@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
news:40d33...@news3.prserv.net...
> Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the stake,
> while non-witches sink and drown. And you don't think that rape can
> ruin a woman's life??? And rape is just a "slight" ??? This is sick.
Do you think a false rape allegation can ruin a man's life?
herothatdied
"krp" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Bob
A typical example is the middle school teacher near here who required
girls in his class to do their homework. Several of them cooked up a
plot to accuse him of sex and get him fired. He lost his job,
reputation, his career, his family, his home, and his life savings, and
had spent some months in jail before other girls reported the plot to
the authorities and the case was dropped.
The girls got an easier teacher and higher grades. They should have
spent the next 20 years behind bars, and made restitution when released.
Francis A. Miniter
Indeed, it can and that is a very bad thing. But the
argument is a red herring. Ilya made the allegation that
(a) women who are really raped don't speak up [because they
are "compassionate, fair, gentle, kind-hearted women"], and
(b) if a woman speaks up, it means that the allegation of
rape is false [because they are "hate-filled liars"]. That
is simply nonsense. While false rape accusations occur,
they are statistically insignificant. The balance of ruined
or damaged lives lies heavily with women actually raped.
Francis A. Miniter
Bob
The truth is toots, that when you cry "wolf" a thousand times and it's a
lie, when the wolf does finally come nobody gives a shit.
Tell your lying femroid sista's that nobody gives a shit any more
whether they were really raped or not.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]
Francis A. Miniter
comments are interleaved.
Bob wrote:
> Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob,
>> Why don't you publish your full name. I am sure that such a macho man
>> as you has nothing to hide. Assuming you act on your beliefs (?), I
>> trust you will enjoy your stay in prison.
>
>
>
> Another typical hate mongering femroid bitch. The usual "in prison"
> ad-hominem. That was old when your mama tried it, toots.
>
Note that Bob assumes that anyone who challenges him must be
a woman. Notice also that he can only speak about women by
using foul terms. This shows a deep sexual insecurity.
>
>> By the way, rape is not sex;
>
>
> ROFLMAO!!! Go back to 8th grade sex education and take it again.
>
I think Bob missed a few crucial classes. See comments below.
>
>
>> it is physical and psychological violence designed to humiliate.
>
>
> Yada, yada, yada. Females like you think that sex is about power to
> dominate men
There it is. Bob, like many (most?) rapists, believes that
women use sex as a weapon to dominate men. That excuses
rape, in their minds, because such men see rape as doing the
same thing to women that they believe women are doing to
them. This shows that Bob in fact does not see rape as sex
but as violence, despite his words. He proclaims it to be
sex in order to insult further.
so you ASSume that men use sex to dominate women. Wrong.
His next sentence belies this denial.
> Even when your miserable power to use sex as a weapon to dominate men is
> taken away, (boo hoo) sex is still sex.
>
Notice - the rapist gets gratification from taking [assumed]
power away from the woman.
>
>> I've also heard that most rapists can't even orgasm without being
>> violent first. Is it true?
>
>
> In the rape crisis center counselor's guide it says that many women have
> orgasm during rape, because rape is sex and many women get so turned on
> by the sex.
Very interesting. Bob never denies my allegation that the
rapist cannot have an orgasm without the violent act.
Instead, he tries to change the subject.
>
> Tell us bitch, how long did your hate have to fester before you got
> those ugly lines in your face?
Bob's last comment here about festering hate is
self-revealing. Since he is making this comment in
rec.arts.books, a literary reference is warranted.
Browning's "Soliloquy in a Spanish Cloister" is very similar
to Bob's tirade. There the angry, hateful monk speaks
venomously about another monk on whom he projects all that
is in fact wrong with himself. While calling the other monk
a hypocrite, for instance, he reveals himself to be the real
hipposcrite. A modern analogy would be the song with the
words "You're so vain, you probably think this song is about
you, don't you, don't you".
>
> Bob
>
>
Thank you, Bob, for sharing your secrets with us.
Francis A. Miniter
Francis A. Miniter
> krp wrote:
>
>> Do you think a false rape allegation can ruin a man's life?
>
>
> A typical example is the middle school teacher near here who required
> girls in his class to do their homework. Several of them cooked up a
> plot to accuse him of sex and get him fired. He lost his job,
> reputation, his career, his family, his home, and his life savings, and
> had spent some months in jail before other girls reported the plot to
> the authorities and the case was dropped.
>
> The girls got an easier teacher and higher grades. They should have
> spent the next 20 years behind bars, and made restitution when released.
>
> Bob
>
>
Something is rotten in that story. The teacher "required
girls in his class to do their homework". No mention is
made about requiring the boys to do their homework. The
focus is on the girls only. If the teacher was focused only
on the girls, then there is more to the story than Bob has
chosen to tell us. Maybe the teacher did nothing wrong, but
unless Bob tells us specifics (town, state, dates, names), I
would not trust the accuracy of the story.
Francis A. Miniter
Bob
> Wow, Bob, your response is incredibly revealing. My comments are
> interleaved.
>
> Bob wrote:
>> Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>> Why don't you publish your full name. I am sure that such a macho
>>> man as you has nothing to hide. Assuming you act on your beliefs
>>> (?), I trust you will enjoy your stay in prison.
>>
>> Another typical hate mongering femroid bitch. The usual "in prison"
>> ad-hominem. That was old when your mama tried it, toots.
>
> Note that Bob assumes that anyone who challenges him must be a woman.
> Notice also that he can only speak about women by using foul terms.
> This shows a deep sexual insecurity.
Wrong, bitch. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's
probably not a zebra.
You leap wildly to fictional conclusions.
>>> By the way, rape is not sex;
>>
>> ROFLMAO!!! Go back to 8th grade sex education and take it again.
>>
> I think Bob missed a few crucial classes. See comments below.
So Fancis doesn't understand the basics of sex, and changes the subject
to insult. Pathetic.
>>> it is physical and psychological violence designed to humiliate.
>>
>> Yada, yada, yada. Females like you think that sex is about power to
>> dominate men
>
>
> There it is. Bob, like many (most?) rapists, believes that women use
> sex as a weapon to dominate men.
I wouldn't have a clue what "most" rapists believe, and I'm sure you
only know the usual feminist propaganda lies.
> That excuses rape, in their minds,
> because such men see rape as doing the same thing to women that they
> believe women are doing to them.
Those old tired feminist lies weren't worth a shit 50 years ago, and
they aren't worth a shit today. The remarkable thing is that someone is
so stupid that she is still repeating them in public.
> This shows that Bob in fact does not
> see rape as sex but as violence, despite his words. He proclaims it to
> be sex in order to insult further.
ROFLMAO! Nice try, toots, but ad-hominem attacks are such a standard
feminazi tactic that it hasn't a chance. Did you learn those tactics in
hate class?
> so you ASSume that men use sex to dominate women. Wrong.
> His next sentence belies this denial.
>> Even when your miserable power to use sex as a weapon to dominate men
>> is taken away, (boo hoo) sex is still sex.
>>
>
> Notice - the rapist gets gratification from taking [assumed] power away
> from the woman.
Repetition of the same old tired lie doesn't make it true, toots. Try
another one.
>>> I've also heard that most rapists can't even orgasm without being
>>> violent first. Is it true?
>>
>> In the rape crisis center counselor's guide it says that many women
>> have orgasm during rape, because rape is sex and many women get so
>> turned on by the sex.
>
> Very interesting. Bob never denies my allegation that the rapist cannot
> have an orgasm without the violent act. Instead, he tries to change the
> subject.
Your psychosexual allegations are YOUR problem toots. Hate is it's own
punishment.
>> Tell us bitch, how long did your hate have to fester before you got
>> those ugly lines in your face?
>
> Bob's last comment here about festering hate is self-revealing. Since
> he is making this comment in rec.arts.books, a literary reference is
> warranted. Browning's "Soliloquy in a Spanish Cloister" is very similar
> to Bob's tirade. There the angry, hateful monk speaks venomously about
> another monk on whom he projects all that is in fact wrong with
> himself. While calling the other monk a hypocrite, for instance, he
> reveals himself to be the real hipposcrite. A modern analogy would be
> the song with the words "You're so vain, you probably think this song is
> about you, don't you, don't you".
Tell you what. Take your copy of Browning, grasp it firmly in both
hands, bend over, and cram it up your ass. Hate mongers don't last long
around here.
[And she probably thinks that she's winning converts for rape-hate.
Pathetic. ]
>
> Thank you, Bob, for sharing your secrets with us.
> Francis A. Miniter
Go fuck yourself. You deserve your kind.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
smw
Francis A. Miniter wrote:
...>
> Indeed, it can and that is a very bad thing. But the argument is a red
> herring. Ilya made the allegation that (a) women who are really raped
> don't speak up [because they are "compassionate, fair, gentle,
> kind-hearted women"], and (b) if a woman speaks up, it means that the
> allegation of rape is false [because they are "hate-filled liars"].
> That is simply nonsense. While false rape accusations occur, they are
> statistically insignificant.
While Ilya is indeed full of shit, I don't think that's true. Do you
have numbers?
smw
Bob wrote:
> Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>
>> krp wrote:
>>
>>> "Francis A. Miniter" <min...@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
>>> news:40d33...@news3.prserv.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the stake,
>>>> while non-witches sink and drown. And you don't think that rape can
>>>> ruin a woman's life??? And rape is just a "slight" ??? This is sick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think a false rape allegation can ruin a man's life?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Indeed, it can and that is a very bad thing. But the argument is a
>> red herring. Ilya made the allegation that (a) women who are really
>> raped don't speak up [because they are "compassionate, fair, gentle,
>> kind-hearted women"], and (b) if a woman speaks up, it means that the
>> allegation of rape is false [because they are "hate-filled liars"].
>> That is simply nonsense. While false rape accusations occur, they are
>> statistically insignificant. The balance of ruined or damaged lives
>> lies heavily with women actually raped.
>>
>> Francis A. Miniter
>
>
>
> The truth is toots, that when you cry "wolf" a thousand times and it's a
> lie, when the wolf does finally come nobody gives a shit.
>
> Tell your lying femroid sista's that nobody gives a shit any more
> whether they were really raped or not.
"He lost his job, reputation, his career, his family, his home, and his
life savings, and had spent some months in jail before other girls
reported the plot to the authorities and the case was dropped." Somebody
did give a shit, nah?
Bob
> Bob wrote:
>
>>> Indeed, it can and that is a very bad thing. But the argument is a
>>> red herring. Ilya made the allegation that (a) women who are really
>>> raped don't speak up [because they are "compassionate, fair, gentle,
>>> kind-hearted women"], and (b) if a woman speaks up, it means that the
>>> allegation of rape is false [because they are "hate-filled liars"].
>>> That is simply nonsense. While false rape accusations occur, they
>>> are statistically insignificant. The balance of ruined or damaged
>>> lives lies heavily with women actually raped.
>>>
>>> Francis A. Miniter
>>
>> The truth is toots, that when you cry "wolf" a thousand times and it's
>> a lie, when the wolf does finally come nobody gives a shit.
>>
>> Tell your lying femroid sista's that nobody gives a shit any more
>> whether they were really raped or not.
>
>
> "He lost his job, reputation, his career, his family, his home, and his
> life savings, and had spent some months in jail before other girls
> reported the plot to the authorities and the case was dropped." Somebody
> did give a shit, nah?
>
The rape-hate industry is alive and well in the USA. It's days are
numbered.
smw
Bob wrote:
> smw wrote:
>
>> Bob wrote:
>>
>>>> Indeed, it can and that is a very bad thing. But the argument is a
>>>> red herring. Ilya made the allegation that (a) women who are really
>>>> raped don't speak up [because they are "compassionate, fair, gentle,
>>>> kind-hearted women"], and (b) if a woman speaks up, it means that
>>>> the allegation of rape is false [because they are "hate-filled
>>>> liars"]. That is simply nonsense. While false rape accusations
>>>> occur, they are statistically insignificant. The balance of ruined
>>>> or damaged lives lies heavily with women actually raped.
>>>>
>>>> Francis A. Miniter
>>>
>>>
>>> The truth is toots, that when you cry "wolf" a thousand times and
>>> it's a lie, when the wolf does finally come nobody gives a shit.
>>>
>>> Tell your lying femroid sista's that nobody gives a shit any more
>>> whether they were really raped or not.
>>
>> "He lost his job, reputation, his career, his family, his home, and
>> his life savings, and had spent some months in jail before other girls
>> reported the plot to the authorities and the case was dropped."
>> Somebody did give a shit, nah?
>>
> The rape-hate industry is alive and well in the USA. It's days are
> numbered.
Its. And sure, of course. The moment the patriarchy comes down.
Robert Gautier
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com proves that YOU can ruin a man's
life Kenneth if your lies aren't exposed.
Bob
>
> Its. And sure, of course. The moment the patriarchy comes down.
>
Just keep spewing that old misandry. Your days are numbered too.
smw
krp
"herothatdied" <heroth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do you have a CLUE as to how STUPID that claim is? That is like saying that
women can "GET OVER" being raped.
krp
"Francis A. Miniter" <min...@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
> Bob wrote:
>
> > krp wrote:
> >
> >> Do you think a false rape allegation can ruin a man's life?
> >
> >
> > A typical example is the middle school teacher near here who required
> > girls in his class to do their homework. Several of them cooked up a
> > plot to accuse him of sex and get him fired. He lost his job,
> > reputation, his career, his family, his home, and his life savings, and
> > had spent some months in jail before other girls reported the plot to
> > the authorities and the case was dropped.
> >
> > The girls got an easier teacher and higher grades. They should have
> > spent the next 20 years behind bars, and made restitution when released.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
> Something is rotten in that story. The teacher "required
> girls in his class to do their homework". No mention is
> made about requiring the boys to do their homework. The
> focus is on the girls only. If the teacher was focused only
> on the girls, then there is more to the story than Bob has
Well it is quite obvious isn't it that he MUST be guilty as hell?
MUST BE!
krp
"Francis A. Miniter" <min...@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
> >
> >>Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the stake,
> >>while non-witches sink and drown. And you don't think that rape can
> >>ruin a woman's life??? And rape is just a "slight" ??? This is sick.
> > Do you think a false rape allegation can ruin a man's life?
> >
>
> Indeed, it can and that is a very bad thing. But the argument is a red
herring.
Not to a man wrongly accused.
> Ilya made the allegation that (a) women who are really raped don't speak
up [because they
> are "compassionate, fair, gentle, kind-hearted women"], and
> (b) if a woman speaks up, it means that the allegation of
> rape is false [because they are "hate-filled liars"]. That
> is simply nonsense. While false rape accusations occur,
> they are statistically insignificant. The balance of ruined
> or damaged lives lies heavily with women actually raped.
Francis - - - - - One idiotic claim does not support reverse stupidity.
Your claim that false rape accusations are "statistically insignificant" is
nonsense. First that facts do not support the claim. But secondly EVEN IF
the 1 case in 20 MILLION years that feminists suggest I can tell you that it
is NOT insignificant to that man who is WRONGLY accused any more than a rape
is INSIGNIFICANT to the woman who is raped.
I would suggest to you that a wrongly accused man and a woman suffering
from a rape have a great deal in common.
((IF you want to engage in statistics bashing, I'll be happy to comply with
the stupidity.))
krp
"Robert Gautier" <rbga...@dcemail.com> wrote in message
news:d0efdddd.04061...@posting.google.com...
> > > Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the stake,
> > > while non-witches sink and drown. And you don't think that rape can
> > > ruin a woman's life??? And rape is just a "slight" ??? This is
sick.
> >
> >
> > Do you think a false rape allegation can ruin a man's life?
>
> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com proves that YOU can ruin a man's
> life Kenneth if your lies aren't exposed.
Moore why don't you find a woman you do NOT have to blackmail into having
sex with you?
herothatdied
"Bob" <boby...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40D44896...@hotmail.com...
> smw wrote:
> > Bob wrote:
> >
>
> The rape-hate industry is alive and well in the USA. It's days are
> numbered.
>
> Bob
>
P. S. - if it's alive and well, how exactly are its days numbered?
P.P.S. - It's is "it is." The posessive "it" has no apostrophe.
herothatdied
>
> "herothatdied" <heroth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:mpNAc.948$mG4...@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> >
> > "krp" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:dXMAc.933$mG4...@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > >
> > >
> > Not nearly as much as a true one can.
>
> Do you have a CLUE as to how STUPID that claim is? That is like saying
that
> women can "GET OVER" being raped.
>
is so far off the deep end that I find it difficult to take seriously. That
is to say, I don't think that he has a prayer of persuading anybody here (or
anywhere else) with this nonsense. I do think that, if he's not just
trolling and having us all on, given his ideas about control and sex (women
having a lock-down control over sex except during rape), that he might have
tendencies toward rape himself, but given that I don't know his name or
location there's not a whole hell of a lot I can do about getting the
attention of any of the proper authorities on the matter.
Snarky as it was though, my statement was not like saying that women can
just "get over" rape (though I certainly hope that with enough time, care
and support a woman can recover from rape - don't you?) Any stupidity that
did exist in it was in a possibly misplaced faith in the justice system. A
false accusation of rape - more so even than the false accusations of most
other crimes because rape is such a horrendous act - is unfortunate; a true
accusation hopefully lands the sonofabitch rapist in jail and ruins his
life. - htd
Bob
smw wrote:
> I think it's time to retake that IQ-test, bob, dear.
>
"Take that IQ test"? Thanks, I'm going to add that one to the list of
synonyms. We lexicographers are always watching for additions.
Feminist definition: "Sick" --> adj. A man who refuses to kowtow to
feminism. Usually used as an ad-hominem attack. Translation: "You're
right on, but I won't admit it."
Also, "terribly confused," "defective brain," "take the IQ-test," etc.
Feminist hate mongers get very upset when a MAN objects to their hate
mongering spiel. They always turn to ad-hominem attacks in hopes that
he'll go away. It's standard feminism.
P.S. Bob has been a member of MENSA for a long while.
Bob
> "Bob" <boby...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:40D44896...@hotmail.com...
>
>>smw wrote:
>>
>>>Bob wrote:
>>>
>>
>>The rape-hate industry is alive and well in the USA. It's days are
>>numbered.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>
> STOP THE PRESS!!! Industry? You can make money off of this? - htd
Indeed, there are chain stores in every town and city, thousands of them
all across the USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and elsewhere. They dispense
rape-hate and employ thousands of hate mongers.
> P. S. - if it's alive and well, how exactly are its days numbered?
> P.P.S. - It's is "it is." The posessive "it" has no apostrophe.
Tens of thousands of small men's organizations are springing up
everywhere.
MEN are no longer browbeaten and afraid to speak up.
The days when hate can be practiced without objection are over.
Marc LePine Day is now being celebrated annually across the English
speaking world.
herothatdied
"Francis A. Miniter" <min...@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > A typical example is the middle school teacher near here who required
> > girls in his class to do their homework. Several of them cooked up a
> > plot to accuse him of sex and get him fired. He lost his job,
> > reputation, his career, his family, his home, and his life savings, and
> > had spent some months in jail before other girls reported the plot to
> > the authorities and the case was dropped.
> >
> > The girls got an easier teacher and higher grades. They should have
> > spent the next 20 years behind bars, and made restitution when released.
> >
> girls in his class to do their homework". No mention is
> made about requiring the boys to do their homework. The
> focus is on the girls only. If the teacher was focused only
> on the girls, then there is more to the story than Bob has
> chosen to tell us. Maybe the teacher did nothing wrong, but
> unless Bob tells us specifics (town, state, dates, names), I
> would not trust the accuracy of the story.
>
months in jail" before the "case was dropped" - so no bail for this guy,
plus his family and home are gone before trial, plus after being exhonerated
Bob says that his career is still over. Might be, but I'd want citations
before giving credence to anything more than that there is a middle school
somewhere near Bob.
Bob
> Do you have a CLUE as to how STUPID that claim is? That is like saying that
> women can "GET OVER" being raped.
>
You obviously have no clue that repeating the old tired rape-hate
cowshit isn't worth fertilizer any more.
Boo Hoo, her feelings were hurt. Boo Hoo. Get a fucking life.
krp
>
> > > > Do you think a false rape allegation can ruin a man's life?
> > > >
> > > Not nearly as much as a true one can.
> >
> > Do you have a CLUE as to how STUPID that claim is? That is like saying
that
> > women can "GET OVER" being raped.
> OK, it was glib, I'll give you that. Billy Bob Troll's bugger of an
opinion
> is so far off the deep end that I find it difficult to take seriously.
That
> is to say, I don't think that he has a prayer of persuading anybody here
(or
> anywhere else) with this nonsense. I do think that, if he's not just
> trolling and having us all on, given his ideas about control and sex
(women
> having a lock-down control over sex except during rape), that he might
have
> tendencies toward rape himself, but given that I don't know his name or
> location there's not a whole hell of a lot I can do about getting the
> attention of any of the proper authorities on the matter.
Bob plays a role. Take it all too seriously at your peril. Things are
NEVER as they seem on Usenet.
> Snarky as it was though, my statement was not like saying that women can
> just "get over" rape (though I certainly hope that with enough time, care
> and support a woman can recover from rape - don't you?) Any stupidity
that
> did exist in it was in a possibly misplaced faith in the justice system.
A
> false accusation of rape - more so even than the false accusations of most
> other crimes because rape is such a horrendous act - is unfortunate; a
true
> accusation hopefully lands the sonofabitch rapist in jail and ruins his
> life. - htd
Nobody rationalizes rape. Hopefully women in time do heal from a rape,
as to getting over it, no. My ex wife was the victim of a gang rape when she
was 15, she has never gotten over it. It had loads to do with our breakup.
She like most women who have been raped will take the scars to her grave,
and her pain is near endless. It took time, but it is so corrosive that it
even killed a great relationship. She is still confused by her own actions
and the demons she must struggle with on a daily basis.
Without getting trapped into a numbers game with the feminist whackos,
the point is that men who are wrongly accused suffer in many ways similar
things to what a woman does in a real rape. No, not the physical trauma, but
the emotional trauma. I have seen many men fight demons for all their lives
and continue to suffer those who will always believe their guilt regardless.
Look at the story of Gary Dotson from Chicago. How after the victim
confessed to the lie, militant feminists did their best to block his
release. And even after DNA evidence proved that he didn't do it how ANGRILY
they tried to force the issue to keep him in prison. People will never trust
you again, you'll always have self doubts. Trying, however, to compare
suffering is a losing proposition. Wrong is wrong.
krp
> krp wrote:
> > Do you have a CLUE as to how STUPID that claim is? That is like saying
that
> > women can "GET OVER" being raped.
> >
>
> You obviously have no clue that repeating the old tired rape-hate
> cowshit isn't worth fertilizer any more.
>
> Boo Hoo, her feelings were hurt. Boo Hoo. Get a fucking life.
Bob save the act for Carol Ann.
Bob
Your myopia of how "justice" works in the real world is pathetic. No
school will employ a teacher with suspicion of raping children on his
record. He's got a "police record" for child rape arrests. His years
of education and career is gone. Men by the thousands have been driven
out of the education profession by just such false accusations. The
schools are now a disaster and disgrace becasue of it.
Likewise, few wives will believe their husband when a bevy of lying
little cunts line up and swear that he molested them. She filed for
divorce, took his kids (the "family" court never gives custody to a man
accused of child rape) and left.
Lawyer fees were tens of thousands. His bank account was gone, his
share of his home equity (what his wife didn't take) was gone to legal
fees. His life savings vanished.
Similar cases happen in every city in the USA and have been happening
for decades. Rape-hate is a big industry, and thousands of innocent and
grossly over punished men now rot in prisons.
Bob does not expect your kind of rape-hate bigots to have any sympathy
for men at all. The only cure for them is 6 feet of good dirt.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
herothatdied
As for your bit about wives not believing their husbands in the face of
accusations of sexual misconduct, ObBook: Clinton, My Life.
herothatdied
>
> Bob plays a role. Take it all too seriously at your peril. Things are
> NEVER as they seem on Usenet.
>
good, it's going in my novel (novel to be completed circa 2025).
smw
Bob wrote:
>
> smw wrote:
>
>> I think it's time to retake that IQ-test, bob, dear.
>>
>
> "Take that IQ test"? Thanks, I'm going to add that one to the list of
> synonyms. We lexicographers are always watching for additions.
_re_-take, baby. Reading skills. That said, it seems my own were
deficient - I take it you're _not_ the Bob who boasted of his scores
here recently. My faith in the psych-industry rises.
G*rd*n
> > NEVER as they seem on Usenet.
"herothatdied" <heroth...@yahoo.com>:
> That is just one of the funniest, stupidest statements ever. That's so
> good, it's going in my novel (novel to be completed circa 2025).
Usenet is the contemporary realization of the slogan "Nothing
is true and everything is permitted", formerly available only
to those who were willing to use serious drugs. The question
is not what "Bob" _really_ is -- as likely as not he is an
adolescent perverting Mom's Dell to kill some time -- but what
use can be made of the words that come across the wire under
his name. They are pretty clichéed to have much fun with,
in my opinion, but some may enjoy the dumb-retro ambience,
as they might an afternoon at the State Fair trying to hit
stuffed monkeys with oddly-weighted baseballs.
--
(<><>) /*/
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herothatdied
"G*rd*n" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:cb1u7m$5s6$1...@panix3.panix.com...
> "krp" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > Bob plays a role. Take it all too seriously at your peril. Things
are
> > > NEVER as they seem on Usenet.
>
> "herothatdied" <heroth...@yahoo.com>:
> > That is just one of the funniest, stupidest statements ever. That's so
> > good, it's going in my novel (novel to be completed circa 2025).
>
>
> Usenet is the contemporary realization of the slogan "Nothing
> is true and everything is permitted", formerly available only
> to those who were willing to use serious drugs. The question
> is not what "Bob" _really_ is -- as likely as not he is an
> adolescent perverting Mom's Dell to kill some time -- but what
> use can be made of the words that come across the wire under
> his name. They are pretty clichéed to have much fun with,
> in my opinion, but some may enjoy the dumb-retro ambience,
> as they might an afternoon at the State Fair trying to hit
> stuffed monkeys with oddly-weighted baseballs.
>
seriously at your peril" by itself is enough to have me ROTFLMAO. - htd
Francis A. Miniter
No precise numbers. I was going on what I remember in recent
years for published crime statistics. Rape is always very
high on the list, but false report of a crime, also a
felony, is always at the bottom of the list, and that
includes false reports of crimes other than rape. As far as
news reporting goes, given the rarity of false reports of
crime, the few cases tend to make news.
Francis A. Miniter
Francis A. Miniter
> smw wrote:
>
>>
>> Its. And sure, of course. The moment the patriarchy comes down.
>>
>
> Just keep spewing that old misandry. Your days are numbered too.
>
> Bob
>
>
Amazing, Bob can use a word like "misandry" correctly but
repeatedly misspells "its".
Oh, Bob, just thought I'd mention that the statement "Your
days are numbered too" is probably a felony, since it
contains an implied threat of physical violence and was made
by means of interstate communications facilities. I know
that that does not bother you, but others may not believe
it. So prove it to us by stating your full name for the record.
Francis A. Miniter
Francis A. Miniter
Hi krp,
Please note that I began my comment with the words Indeed,
it [a false rape accusation] can [ruin a man's life] and is
a very bad thing. I simply went on to comment that Ilya's
analysis was flawed. Going by memory on reported crime
statistics, the numbers of false reports of crime (of all
types, not just rape) is small compared to the number of
reported rapes. That is all I stated.
I am a lawyer. I see regularly the anger and pain of people
caught up in the legal system. It is deep, indeed, and part
of representing a person in such circumstances is to listen
carefully, even though it may be the fourth time the client
has said the same thing in four weeks. And some of them may
feel the psychologically similar to being raped. But I am
not prepared to say that it is as bad as the fear and
suffering of a woman who has been physically raped as that
affects body and mind. Vindication in the legal system can
heal many wounds. I don't know if such vindication (by a
conviction of the rapist) can make a raped woman feel whole
again. As another person commented about his ex-wife, the
consequences of the rape she will probably take to the
grave. In cases where I have encountered women who have
been raped, the effects of the rape are present years and
years later.
Francis A. Miniter
G*rd*n
> > Bob plays a role. Take it all too seriously at your peril. Things are
> > > > NEVER as they seem on Usenet.
"herothatdied" <heroth...@yahoo.com>:
> > > That is just one of the funniest, stupidest statements ever. That's so
> > > good, it's going in my novel (novel to be completed circa 2025).
"G*rd*n" <g...@panix.com>:
> > Usenet is the contemporary realization of the slogan "Nothing
> > is true and everything is permitted", formerly available only
> > to those who were willing to use serious drugs. The question
> > is not what "Bob" _really_ is -- as likely as not he is an
> > adolescent perverting Mom's Dell to kill some time -- but what
> > use can be made of the words that come across the wire under
> > his name. They are pretty clichéed to have much fun with,
> > in my opinion, but some may enjoy the dumb-retro ambience,
> > as they might an afternoon at the State Fair trying to hit
> > stuffed monkeys with oddly-weighted baseballs.
"herothatdied" <heroth...@yahoo.com>:
> WTF? Don't you just like the tone of krp's little warning? "Take this too
> seriously at your peril" by itself is enough to have me ROTFLMAO. - htd
Isn't fear of being put on and made to seem ridiculous
because of taking something too seriously a fairly common
fear, especially among the young -- and the young at heart?
I seem to remember being like that once. And some people do
think of Usenet as _real_. I have to confess I didn't even
notice it; I was trying to see if I could get some value out
of "Bob" (and evading my duty to clean the cat box again).
smw
Francis A. Miniter wrote:
Kanin at Purdue did a study of 109 allegations, roughly 40% of which
appeared to be false (Kanin and rape would google well, I assume).
That's too small a sample to establish a trend, needless to say, and
since it only covers police data, it doesn't include actual but
un-reported rapes or false retractions. I think the FBI has 8% -- same
problem, needless to say.
On the other hand, your reasoning above isn't very convincing, either.
You'd have to know, for instance, whether your numbers included rapes
and convictions, how often false reports are prosecuted, etc. etc.
Bob
> Oh, Bob, just thought I'd mention that the statement "Your days are
> numbered too" is probably a felony, since it contains an implied threat
> of physical violence and was made by means of interstate communications
> facilities. I know that that does not bother you, but others may not
> believe it. So prove it to us by stating your full name for the record.
> Francis A. Miniter
Keep dreaming, Toots. Your ignorance of the law is as bad as your
ignorance of other topics.
Bob never advocates violence nor threatens anyone. Bob does not
Bob
It would be surprising if 8% of rape accusations have any actual truth
at all. Can you say "Roe v. Wade"?
Bob
> I am a lawyer.
No wonder he's so fucked in the head.
Q. Why did the Post Office just recall their latest stamps?
A. They had pictures of lawyers on them, and people couldn't figure out
which side to spit on.
herothatdied
>
> It would be surprising if 8% of rape accusations have any actual truth
> at all. Can you say "Roe v. Wade"?
>
But it does bring to mind a story I heard about D.C. abortion laws in the
late '70's. They had reasonably laissez-faire abortion regs except for that
women seeking abortions had to list the name of the father on the medical
records. If those records can be believed, Jimmy Carter really got around
with the ladies in D.C. The man was a _machine_. - htd
krp
Usenet is a stage. It has replaced CB radio of the 60's.
krp
All of Usenet is a POORLY written script for couch potatoes..
krp
"Francis A. Miniter" <min...@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
> > Francis - - - - - One idiotic claim does not support reverse
stupidity.
> > Your claim that false rape accusations are "statistically insignificant"
is
> > nonsense. First that facts do not support the claim. But secondly EVEN
IF
> > the 1 case in 20 MILLION years that feminists suggest I can tell you
that it
> > is NOT insignificant to that man who is WRONGLY accused any more than a
rape
> > is INSIGNIFICANT to the woman who is raped.
> > I would suggest to you that a wrongly accused man and a woman
suffering
> > from a rape have a great deal in common.
>
> > ((IF you want to engage in statistics bashing, I'll be happy to comply
with
> > the stupidity.))
> Please note that I began my comment with the words Indeed,
> it [a false rape accusation] can [ruin a man's life] and is
> a very bad thing. I simply went on to comment that Ilya's
> analysis was flawed. Going by memory on reported crime
> statistics, the numbers of false reports of crime (of all
> types, not just rape) is small compared to the number of
> reported rapes. That is all I stated.
Don't let me break this to you, but the incidence of false reporting is
high on most crimes. The statistics on false reports are under-reported for
too many reasons to detail here. That is most true with rape cases. If you
want to start fishing for reality on false rape reports... Start with
looking at the number of gross reports made in a given year, then look at
how many are ever prosecuted, and then how many convictions you get. There
are all sorts of "activists" who have come up with all sorts of numbers, and
for the most part they are bullshit. False reports is just NOT a
"politically correct" subject for research.It is acareer ender if it comes
up too high for the hard liners.
> I am a lawyer. I see regularly the anger and pain of people caught up in
the legal system.
Private practice? What area of law?
> It is deep, indeed, and part of representing a person in such
circumstances is to listen
> carefully, even though it may be the fourth time the client
> has said the same thing in four weeks. And some of them may
> feel the psychologically similar to being raped. But I am
> not prepared to say that it is as bad as the fear and
> suffering of a woman who has been physically raped as that
> affects body and mind. Vindication in the legal system can
> heal many wounds. I don't know if such vindication (by a
> conviction of the rapist) can make a raped woman feel whole
> again. As another person commented about his ex-wife, the
> consequences of the rape she will probably take to the
> grave. In cases where I have encountered women who have
> been raped, the effects of the rape are present years and
> years later.
Francis - in long ago times (as in the barbaric parts of the world
today) a woman who was raped was considered "damaged goods" and sometimes
put to death by her own family. Those days are gone in the United States for
the most part. However, to the man wrongly accused, no matter what he does
many people will never believe he was innocent. Mere vindication in the
legal system is better than being wrongly convicted. It was I who commented
about my ex wife. But it is no different for the wrongly accused. They both
have so much in common psychologically. There is never any vindication for
either a rape or a false allegation. You see, all the King's horses, and all
the King's men Francis................... That's why they both are terrible
crimes. Oh, and it is such a big deal that bearing false witness is
considered breaking one of God's commandments.
The issue isn't always "lying" it is often misidentification. Too many
people have no understanding of rape trauma and how it can lead to
misidentification.
krp
> Francis A. Miniter wrote:
> > I am a lawyer.
>
> No wonder he's so fucked in the head.
I think Francis is a SHE............
Bob
No wonder she is so fucked in the head.
Bob
Sharon B
in <40D45AB9...@hotmail.com>:
[...]
>P.S. Bob has been a member of MENSA for a long while.
R-I-G-H-T
You're in MENSA just like you spent years at Philmont cuz you were a
Scout Master Extraordinaire just like you're a professional procurer
for the US Government.
for those of you unfamiliar with Bushmaster Bobbitt google on
[Bob+"soc.men"]....there are web pages put up about him.
Pete Turk
writes
>Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>
>> so you ASSume that men use sex to dominate women. Wrong.
>> His next sentence belies this denial.
>>> Even when your miserable power to use sex as a weapon to dominate men
>>> is taken away, (boo hoo) sex is still sex.
>>>
>>
>> Notice - the rapist gets gratification from taking [assumed] power away
>> from the woman.
>
>Repetition of the same old tired lie doesn't make it true, toots. Try
>another one.
>
>Bob
>
Yes! those tired old lies ....
-- Two plus two add up to four
-- Pigs can't fly
-- 'boby23456' can't tell a non-falsehood
Repeating them doesn't make them true.
Something else does.
'_Saint_, forsooth! While Brown Dolores
Squats outside the Convent bank
With Sanchicha, telling stories,
Steeping tresses in the tank,
Blue-black, lustrous, thick like horsehairs,
--Can't I see his dead eye glow,
Bright as 'twere a Barbary corsair's?
(That is, if he'd let it show!)'
-- Robert Browning
'Soliloquy of the Spanish Cloister'
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
RFA President and Moonshadow
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
Pete Turk
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>
>"herothatdied" <heroth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Gk%Ac.3696$a61...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>too
>> seriously at your peril" by itself is enough to have me ROTFLMAO. - htd
>
>
>All of Usenet is a POORLY written script for couch potatoes..
>
>
????! I'm hurt! ;-|
'Cottleston, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie.
A fly can't bird, but a bird can fly.
Ask me a riddle and I reply:
"Cottleston, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie." '
-- A A Milne 'Winnie-the-Pooh' 1926
Robert Gautier
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com read that. Kenneth would have
dads believe that he is a lawyer too but he coudn't get into any law
school. When his nephew Bret Pangborn got disbarred Kenneth went
around claiming that he practiced a different kind of law so his "code
of ethics" was higher than his nephews. Within two minutes he had
every lawyer on usenet jumping down his throat about his lie.
Robert Gautier
> On 18 Jun 2004 10:37:54 -0700, Bodhisattvacat <drr0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The psychology of women necessitates the following: That the women who
> > truly get raped or harrassed rarely say a word about it, whereas the
> > ones who do are usually lying. The good women - the compassionate,
> > fair, gentle, kind-hearted women that embody the virtues of womanhood -
> > generally believe that 10 or 15 years in jail, repeated buggery and
> > battery, and loss of career prospects and friends is too sharp a
> > punishment to pay for a single violent act. The women who do come
> > forth, are typically hate-filled liars with a giant sense of
> > entitlement, who think that a slight, a real or an imaginary, by a man
> > entitles her to ruining his life - and her fact of being a woman
> > entitles her to victim status and public sympathy.
>
> a violent rape isn't exactly a "slight".
>
> > The Southern culture features a long-run pattern of white women falsely
> > accusing black men of rape.
>
> after they were caught by their daddies or brothers screwing the black
> stud (voluntarily).
Kenneth Pangborn.
Bob
> In article <40D3CB9C...@hotmail.com>, Bob <boby...@hotmail.com>
> writes
>
>>Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>>
>>
>>>so you ASSume that men use sex to dominate women. Wrong.
>>>His next sentence belies this denial.
>>>
>>>>Even when your miserable power to use sex as a weapon to dominate men
>>>>is taken away, (boo hoo) sex is still sex.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Notice - the rapist gets gratification from taking [assumed] power away
>>>from the woman.
>>
>>Repetition of the same old tired lie doesn't make it true, toots. Try
>>another one.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>
>
> Yes! those tired old lies ....
> -- Two plus two add up to four
> -- Pigs can't fly
> -- 'boby23456' can't tell a non-falsehood
A classic femorrhoid tactic. Switch to ad-hominems when you run out of
argument, and hope to stop men from speaking the truth.
Like the rest of the old tired feminazi tactics, that one doesn't work
any more either.
Francis A. Miniter
evaluate what a person says. Have any of you read the
mystery novels of Sarah Caudwell? The protagonist-narrator,
named Hillary, is never identified by gender.
Francis A. Miniter
smw
Francis A. Miniter wrote:
Hilary.
Francis A. Miniter
> > A classic femorrhoid tactic. Switch to ad-hominems when you run out of
> argument, and hope to stop men from speaking the truth.
>
> Like the rest of the old tired feminazi tactics, that one doesn't work
> any more either.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
Note that according to Bob, only men speak the truth. I
think if we investigated more, we would find that according
to Bob only men that agree with him speak the truth.
Actually, come to think of it, according to Bob those men
who agree with him had better just shut up and go on
agreeing and leave the speaking to Bob.
Francis A. Miniter
G*rd*n
> >>>I am a lawyer.
"Bob" <boby...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>No wonder he's so fucked in the head.
krp wrote:
> > I think Francis is a SHE............
min...@attglobalZZ.net:
> So much concern over gender identification in order to
> evaluate what a person says. Have any of you read the
> mystery novels of Sarah Caudwell? The protagonist-narrator,
> named Hillary, is never identified by gender.
If you look at the newsgroups line, you'll notice that all but
one are devoted to the interests of people unusually excited by
concepts of gender and certain related constructions of sexual
behavior.
catbrier
> I have seen this pattern in action. I told a group of people what
> National Confederation of Free Men
There's an unbiased group! (Not!)
Cat
krp
"Pete Turk" <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:PlU79IAu...@ragtag.demon.co.uk...
> >> WTF? Don't you just like the tone of krp's little warning? "Take this
> >too
> >> seriously at your peril" by itself is enough to have me ROTFLMAO. - htd
> >
> >
> >All of Usenet is a POORLY written script for couch potatoes..
> >
> >
>
> ????! I'm hurt! ;-|
Sorry . . but as a consolation prize I can offer you an all expenses
vacation to that garden spot, Bolingbrook, Illinois to spend a fun filled
weekend with David Moore........................... CAPTAIN FREEDOM or
Robert Gautier or whoever he is today.
Francis A. Miniter
mea culpa.
Francis
krp
"Robert Gautier" <rbga...@dcemail.com> wrote in message
news:d0efdddd.04062...@posting.google.com...
> > I am a lawyer. I see regularly the anger and pain of people
> > caught up in the legal system. It is deep, indeed, and part
> > of representing a person in such circumstances is to listen
> > carefully, even though it may be the fourth time the client
> > has said the same thing in four weeks. And some of them may
> > feel the psychologically similar to being raped. But I am
> > not prepared to say that it is as bad as the fear and
> > suffering of a woman who has been physically raped as that
> > affects body and mind. Vindication in the legal system can
> > heal many wounds. I don't know if such vindication (by a
> > conviction of the rapist) can make a raped woman feel whole
> > again. As another person commented about his ex-wife, the
> > consequences of the rape she will probably take to the
> > grave. In cases where I have encountered women who have
> > been raped, the effects of the rape are present years and
> > years later.
> >
> >
> > Francis A. Miniter
>
>
> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com read that. Kenneth would have
> dads believe that he is a lawyer too but he coudn't get into any law
> school.
No I would NOT have her believe that Davey. That is exclusively YOUR
delusion. Yopu ahve eben trying to sell that bag of bullshit now for 7
years. It wasn't true the first time you made that claim as Liberty45 . And
it has never been true for all the times you have claimed it since. I have
denied that I was a lawyer, I am a "trial consultant" Davey......... May I
suggest to you that since Francis is a lawyer, that you try to run the basis
for your false claims past her and see if she agrees with you?
> When his nephew Bret Pangborn got disbarred Kenneth went
> around claiming that he practiced a different kind of law so his "code
> of ethics" was higher than his nephews. Within two minutes he had
> every lawyer on usenet jumping down his throat about his lie.
Davey you can't even keep your misquotations straight from day to day
can you? The EXACT quote was that he "works in a different field of law
than I do."
Trial consultants do work in legal fields Davey. I know that as a function
illiterate, you'd not know that. My nephew worked in the fields of business
law and personal injury. I consult on cases in the field of criminal and
family law. My nephew and I were not only in different states, but different
fields. We had no reason to communicate about legal issues. Yep my nephew
got his ass in a jam there. But I didn't raise the guy.
EVERY lawyer on the internet? Oh you mean YOURSELF Davey... Name ONE
lawyer that jumped on me? ONE DAVEY!
krp
A good example of Moore's dishonesty/ I had ZERO to do with that post. Moore
might subscribe to the vile comment. NOT ME!,
That is VINTAGE DAVID MOORE!
krp
"Francis A. Miniter" <min...@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
> >>Francis A. Miniter wrote:
> >>
> >>>I am a lawyer.
> >>
> >>No wonder he's so fucked in the head.
> >
> >
> > I think Francis is a SHE............
> >
> >
> So much concern over gender identification in order to
> evaluate what a person says. Have any of you read the
> mystery novels of Sarah Caudwell? The protagonist-narrator,
> named Hillary, is never identified by gender.
I was merely correcting his erroneous assumption. The spelling of the name
sort of gives it away. I could really care less.
Lots of books are written that way.
Bob
Obviously Francis is one of those psychotics who can't figure out what
it is.
Bob
Bob
Reminds me of Dorothy and her straw friend.
"If only I had a brain," Francis.
Sorry Francis, you won't learn anything running off at the keyboard like
that.
grumpus
>> seriously at your peril" by itself is enough to have me ROTFLMAO. - htd
>
>
> All of Usenet is a POORLY written script for couch potatoes..
says the douchebag Pangborn as he posts some sicty times today. Pot, kettle,
pangborn
Verner Karleborg
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > A classic femorrhoid tactic. Switch to ad-hominems when you run out of
> > argument, and hope to stop men from speaking the truth.
> >
> > Like the rest of the old tired feminazi tactics, that one doesn't work
> > any more either.
>
> think if we investigated more, we would find that according
> to Bob only men that agree with him speak the truth.
What I'm curious about is how does he know? I mean, online sex changes
are so easy to do.
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Unfortunately for your children Kenneth you have obviously never read a book.
krp
French Poet:
"Robert Gautier" <rbga...@dcemail.com> wrote in message
news:d0efdddd.04062...@posting.google.com...
> > I was merely correcting his erroneous assumption. The spelling of the
name
> > sort of gives it away. I could really care less.
> > Lots of books are written that way.
>
> Unfortunately for your children Kenneth you have obviously never read
a book.
Moore - - - - - - don't you have a child to molest somewhere on your block?
Bob
> Bob <boby...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:40D34AF1.7050104
> @hotmail.com:
>
>
>>Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>>
>>>Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the
>>
> stake,
>
>>>while non-witches sink and drown.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>And you don't think that rape can
>>>ruin a woman's life???
>>
>
> or
>
>>so. The only difference between rape and usual sex is that she
>
> doesn't
>
>>get to decide that time. She lost her power to control the man.
>>
>>No, sex without her power DOES NOT ruin her life. Sex is not
>
> injurious,
>
>>nor does sex usually cause any long term injuries. Sex is no more
>>injurious than going to the kitchen for a pizza. Sex is a NORMAL
>>physical act, and bodies have special physical features intended
>
> to do
>
>>sex. The sex act does not change depending on who decides to do
>
> it.
>
>>Her feelings are hurt, and she has an excuse to play victimology
>
> and
>
>>hate for decades, but no, if her life is ruined it's her own
>
> fault. Hate
>
>>and victimology can ruin someone's life, but one sex act won't.
>>
>>
>>
>>>And rape is just a "slight" ??? This is sick.
>>
>>Rape is her losing her power to control men. Boo Hoo.
>>
>>It's a small slight. Worth maybe $20 to $40 on the street.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
>
>
> A woman can be more seriously hurt when attacked by robbers than
> rapists. So the myth about the severity of rape is rather
> unjustified.
Indeed. Assault and battery is a serious crime. Sex when the man got
to control the relationship is not.
Bob
--
When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
James Spencer
>
> A woman can be more seriously hurt when attacked by robbers than
> rapists. So the myth about the severity of rape is rather
> unjustified.
You are an idiot. Take it from someone who has had to deal with a heck
of a lot more people who have been sexually assaulted (mostly women but
also men) than you will ever even know about.
--
James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN
"Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges!"
Stephen Taylor
> > rapists. So the myth about the severity of rape is rather
> > unjustified.
> You are an idiot. Take it from someone who has had to deal with a heck
> of a lot more people who have been sexually assaulted (mostly women but
> also men) than you will ever even know about.
James,
You are caught up in the hysteria of modern times. Women adore to claim that
'rape is worse than murder' and feminists have succeed in changing the law
so that rape is punished more heavily than murder.
In Europe 500 years ago, the crime of rape was almost no-existent as women
were rarely seen outside their home area without a male escort. The big
crime of the era was to be a non-believer and women who wanted to harass a
man would simply accuse him of being a non-believer. 1000s of men went to
jail for heresey based on female accusations.
Females have, do, and will always use the hysteria of the day to beat men
into submission.
Women are children and should not vote.
Bob
>>>A woman can be more seriously hurt when attacked by robbers than
>>>rapists. So the myth about the severity of rape is rather
>>>unjustified.
>>
>
>>You are an idiot. Take it from someone who has had to deal with a heck
>>of a lot more people who have been sexually assaulted (mostly women but
>>also men) than you will ever even know about.
>
>
> James,
> You are caught up in the hysteria of modern times. Women adore to claim that
> 'rape is worse than murder' and feminists have succeed in changing the law
> so that rape is punished more heavily than murder.
>
> In Europe 500 years ago, the crime of rape was almost no-existent as women
> were rarely seen outside their home area without a male escort. The big
> crime of the era was to be a non-believer and women who wanted to harass a
> man would simply accuse him of being a non-believer. 1000s of men went to
> jail for heresey based on female accusations.
If a female doesn't live with her father or husband, she's a common slut
and rape is not a crime. There ought be no penalty unless her father or
husband are offended.
> Females have, do, and will always use the hysteria of the day to beat men
> into submission.
> Women are children and should not vote.
True, the raging hysteria against men is much worse than the witch hunts
of the middle ages.
krp
>
> If a female doesn't live with her father or husband, she's a common slut
> and rape is not a crime. There ought be no penalty unless her father or
> husband are offended.
>
Bob you set the men's movement back 5,000 years with statements like that.
You justify everything that Feminazis like Carol Ann say about us.
Bob
Ken, the men's movement won't get off the ground for 5,000 years if you
feminized wusses keep pushing the feminist agenda and attacking any man
who objects to feminist dogma.
When MEN go back to being MEN, then the men's movement will begin.
Why don't you go watch the History Channel's program about Attila the
Hun and see what he has to say about the value of women. MEN were MEN
in those days, and no it wasn't 5,000 years ago.
Stephen Taylor
> > and rape is not a crime. There ought be no penalty unless her father or
> > husband are offended.
> Bob you set the men's movement back 5,000 years with statements like that.
> You justify everything that Feminazis like Carol Ann say about us.
Ken,
I think you must be growing breasts. Figure it out! Smell the coffee!
Like the crazied drug addict, feminists will only understand one thing.
Power. Men have it, and soon we will use it.
Bodhisattvacat
> On 18 Jun 2004 10:37:54 -0700, Bodhisattvacat <drr0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The psychology of women necessitates the following: That the women who
> > truly get raped or harrassed rarely say a word about it, whereas the
> > ones who do are usually lying. The good women - the compassionate,
> > fair, gentle, kind-hearted women that embody the virtues of womanhood -
> > generally believe that 10 or 15 years in jail, repeated buggery and
> > battery, and loss of career prospects and friends is too sharp a
> > punishment to pay for a single violent act. The women who do come
> > forth, are typically hate-filled liars with a giant sense of
> > entitlement, who think that a slight, a real or an imaginary, by a man
> > entitles her to ruining his life - and her fact of being a woman
> > entitles her to victim status and public sympathy.
>
> a violent rape isn't exactly a "slight".
I am saying that they falsely accuse men of rape. Usually simply
because they don't like the guy.
> > The Southern culture features a long-run pattern of white women falsely
> > accusing black men of rape.
>
> after they were caught by their daddies or brothers screwing the black
> stud (voluntarily).
Correct.
Bodhisattvacat
>
>
> Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the stake,
> ruin a woman's life??? And rape is just a "slight" ??? This is sick.
No, I mean that usually there was one or another reason for bad blood
between the accuser and the accused - not rape, just one or another
slight.
Sky KIng
drr0...@yahoo.com says...
> "Francis A. Miniter" <min...@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message news:<40d33...@news3.prserv.net>...
>
> >
> >
> > Oh, sure. Just like witches float and have to be burned at the stake,
> > while non-witches sink and drown. And you don't think that rape can
> > ruin a woman's life??? And rape is just a "slight" ??? This is sick.
Well, I for one does not think it ruins a woman's life. You sound like
one of the people that makes it difficult for women to heal..after all
it RUIN'S their lives. What a joke.