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Etznab
Jul 4, 2015, 3:10:46 PM7/4/15
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"False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
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Etznab
Jul 4, 2015, 5:16:21 PM7/4/15
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On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
"... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
***
About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
"... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
Here's the thing. You have written other things about me (and Sean) that I know are not true. I (and Sean) told you they were not true, but then you showed no respect.
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:10:46 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
>
> Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!
> > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
>
"... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
***
About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
"... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
Here's the thing. You have written other things about me (and Sean) that I know are not true. I (and Sean) told you they were not true, but then you showed no respect.
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Etznab
Jul 4, 2015, 8:23:56 PM7/4/15
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On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:58:01 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
>
> We are by NO means equal,I do not make false claims, and I have NEVER told you that I would prove to you that Rebazar DOES exist...that is a great example of you playing diversion, changing the subject because you aren't able to stand by your complete LACK of evidence for what you CLAIM to be true! Who am I to talk? I am an informed individual, you on the other hand only CLAIM to be! In my opinion the two are anything BUT equal! YOU are falling quite short on the scale of evidence
> I have never defamed you, that is an empty claim that neither of you can actually prove...am I the only person to see a common thread here? You LOVE to CLAIM things that you cannot PROVE! And you expect others to simply believe you because you CLAIM to have some circumstantial evidence, evidence that at BEST relies completely on other evidence, which you also have been thus far unable to provide, as opposed to DIRECT evidence, the kind that is able stand alone! You ACT as if you have some, but you have yet to provide ANY actual direct evidence!
>
> You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!
>
> There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk...
>
> You can consider yourself proven a liar just as sean has proven over and over again that he is a liar and a plagiarist! Which of you is bringing a suit in a court of law? Oh yes, NEITHER of you! Why? For the simple fact that you have NO grounds upon which to sue me! Precedent does NOT favor seanie in the way that he imagines it does! If he disagrees he can go and actually hire an attorney and file suit....as can YOU! I have been waiting for quite some time now, and neither of you has filed suit, but I shouldn't be surprised, since seanie LIED about suing "Gloria" for making public his threat of raping her! That is also a 100% LIE! If that had actually been done, there would be court records available to show that, and there are NONE! Sean = LIAR! Richard = Liar! BOTH things are proven! Like it or lump it, which you do is really not my concern, however DO stop ranting and raving LIES and expecting anyone to believe a thing you say!
>
> That is another claim that you say is untrue, but I notice that all you have is the claim...if you refuse to admit it, it didn't happen, right? We both know that that is NOT true! You have never done anything to deserve any respect, so do not even attempt to claim it is owed you when it simply is NOT! You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here!
"... There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk... ."
I already know the truth and I told you the truth, but you don't believe it. So your action is intentional.
Prejudiced you are?
Telling lies about people even after they repeatedly try to correct you. This shows intent to defame on your part.
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 9:16:21 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:10:46 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
> > >
> > > Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!
> >
> > "... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
> >
> > I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:10:46 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
> > >
> > > Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!
> >
> > "... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
> >
> > I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
>
> We are by NO means equal,I do not make false claims, and I have NEVER told you that I would prove to you that Rebazar DOES exist...that is a great example of you playing diversion, changing the subject because you aren't able to stand by your complete LACK of evidence for what you CLAIM to be true! Who am I to talk? I am an informed individual, you on the other hand only CLAIM to be! In my opinion the two are anything BUT equal! YOU are falling quite short on the scale of evidence
>
>
>
> > ***
> >
> > About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
> >
> > "... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
> >
> > Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> > ***
> >
> > About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
> >
> > "... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
> >
> > Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
> I have never defamed you, that is an empty claim that neither of you can actually prove...am I the only person to see a common thread here? You LOVE to CLAIM things that you cannot PROVE! And you expect others to simply believe you because you CLAIM to have some circumstantial evidence, evidence that at BEST relies completely on other evidence, which you also have been thus far unable to provide, as opposed to DIRECT evidence, the kind that is able stand alone! You ACT as if you have some, but you have yet to provide ANY actual direct evidence!
>
> You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!
>
> There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk...
>
> You can consider yourself proven a liar just as sean has proven over and over again that he is a liar and a plagiarist! Which of you is bringing a suit in a court of law? Oh yes, NEITHER of you! Why? For the simple fact that you have NO grounds upon which to sue me! Precedent does NOT favor seanie in the way that he imagines it does! If he disagrees he can go and actually hire an attorney and file suit....as can YOU! I have been waiting for quite some time now, and neither of you has filed suit, but I shouldn't be surprised, since seanie LIED about suing "Gloria" for making public his threat of raping her! That is also a 100% LIE! If that had actually been done, there would be court records available to show that, and there are NONE! Sean = LIAR! Richard = Liar! BOTH things are proven! Like it or lump it, which you do is really not my concern, however DO stop ranting and raving LIES and expecting anyone to believe a thing you say!
>
>
>
> > Here's the thing. You have written other things about me (and Sean) that I know are not true. I (and Sean) told you they were not true, but then you showed no respect.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> > Here's the thing. You have written other things about me (and Sean) that I know are not true. I (and Sean) told you they were not true, but then you showed no respect.
>
> That is another claim that you say is untrue, but I notice that all you have is the claim...if you refuse to admit it, it didn't happen, right? We both know that that is NOT true! You have never done anything to deserve any respect, so do not even attempt to claim it is owed you when it simply is NOT! You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here!
"... There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk... ."
I already know the truth and I told you the truth, but you don't believe it. So your action is intentional.
Prejudiced you are?
Telling lies about people even after they repeatedly try to correct you. This shows intent to defame on your part.
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Etznab
Jul 4, 2015, 9:51:51 PM7/4/15
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On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:44:34 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
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> You know NOTHING! How do I know? Because you have failed to show ANY direct evidence repeatedly, it's quite simple. You are wholly unable to "correct" me because you need to first BE correct! You lose once again son!
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>
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> > Prejudiced you are?
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Not at all, but you are, not to mention deluded into thinking you have direct evidence when you do not!
> Prove that in court, you are unable to correct me because you have NO evidence that what you claim is correct to begin with! LOL Hilarious! Call an attorney son! See you in court! Bring sean with you will you? You both have consistently failed to prove ANYTHING! Not MY problem, that one is ALL yours! Enjoy that LOL
>
> The hubris is amazing, after failing to show ANY, not even one percent of direct evidence, you are STILL deluded enough to think that your OPINIONS are evidence! They are not, and there is no defamation on my part....why don't we allow a judge to decide if I have shown intent to defame! You know NOTHING of the law or how it actually works in court, and your friend appears not to know anything about it either! I shall await you BOTH in court! Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!" And thank you once again for providing me with the largest laugh I have had for days!
"... why don't we allow a judge to decide if I have shown intent to defame! ... ."
What I think could help is if you can rub two of your brain cells together and quiet the voices in your head long enough to actually hear what another person is saying to you.
Ready?
O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
O.K. Do you got that?
And regardless, a judge can easily look up the record and see that you were in the wrong, Kinpa.
I said it once before and I'll say it again. Your head trips are your own. Keep them.
> You know NOTHING! How do I know? Because you have failed to show ANY direct evidence repeatedly, it's quite simple. You are wholly unable to "correct" me because you need to first BE correct! You lose once again son!
>
>
>
> > Prejudiced you are?
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Not at all, but you are, not to mention deluded into thinking you have direct evidence when you do not!
>
>
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> > Telling lies about people even after they repeatedly try to correct you. This shows intent to defame on your part.
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>
>
> > Telling lies about people even after they repeatedly try to correct you. This shows intent to defame on your part.
> Prove that in court, you are unable to correct me because you have NO evidence that what you claim is correct to begin with! LOL Hilarious! Call an attorney son! See you in court! Bring sean with you will you? You both have consistently failed to prove ANYTHING! Not MY problem, that one is ALL yours! Enjoy that LOL
>
> The hubris is amazing, after failing to show ANY, not even one percent of direct evidence, you are STILL deluded enough to think that your OPINIONS are evidence! They are not, and there is no defamation on my part....why don't we allow a judge to decide if I have shown intent to defame! You know NOTHING of the law or how it actually works in court, and your friend appears not to know anything about it either! I shall await you BOTH in court! Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!" And thank you once again for providing me with the largest laugh I have had for days!
"... why don't we allow a judge to decide if I have shown intent to defame! ... ."
What I think could help is if you can rub two of your brain cells together and quiet the voices in your head long enough to actually hear what another person is saying to you.
Ready?
O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
O.K. Do you got that?
And regardless, a judge can easily look up the record and see that you were in the wrong, Kinpa.
I said it once before and I'll say it again. Your head trips are your own. Keep them.
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Etznab
Jul 6, 2015, 9:22:12 AM7/6/15
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On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 10:09:23 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> What was that? Defaming me by saying I hear voices in my head? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Of course you don't. One would think that after the great many mistakes you have made you would speak more carefully, however I have yet to see that happen...again, let me repeat,why don't we have a judge look at it and determine who has done what? Your opinions will not add up the way you believe they will, so why not try it? put your money where your mouth is! I notice you ignore my asking you to show me any direct evidence so I'll quote it to make it easier to see what I said: 'Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!"'
>
> I've been waiting for years to see any...you have never shown any...
>
> You have yet to speak any truth. Your assertions that Twitchell's plagiarisms prove that ANY of the Masters are fictional, is simply not true. If it would, then why has no one ever brought it to trial? Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! THAT is the reason you refuse to show anything, but that isn't surprising, you NEVER show anything! Just as you have never proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your assertions are accurate OR true! You simply have NO such evidence! Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? On that you would once again be mistaken, and you have quite a history of speaking against the organization that you are demanding to be considered a member of! Trying to play both sides of it are we? Is that this famous double standard yet again? The only consistency you have ever had has been to be anti-Eckankar, and there are volumes of evidence to show that here already, but you feel free to follow two "masters" as Paul Twitchell used to say!
>
> Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it!
> You have said nothing of worth as of yet....still waiting young man...
>
> This is where your mistaken logic leads you astray again,first of all you're assuming that I am wrong, legally speaking, secondly, a judge can't be bothered to look at ANY of this unless someone files suit! I have absolutely NO trouble standing by my words in front of a judge...how about you? Ready? Believing that this or that will constitute proof in a court is one thing, having any worthwhile evidence that a court will consider is quite another and you appear to be unable to know the difference between the two.
>
> What "head trips"? I have none, I see only you claiming that i do...and completely (as is usual for you) without evidence to support what you claim! Anytime you are serious, feel free to bring it, otherwise, you fall into the same category, one who claims tings they have absolutely no evidence of, but who is deluded enough to still believe they have any!
"... Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? ... ."
I can quote your statements and claims about my card and status. Then I will ask if you had accomplices at the head office and whether the false information was made by you alone. For example, I can ask who gave you information about my membership. And false information at that! Or did you mistakenly remote view it and get the information wrong that way?
Also, I didn't know that information about a person's membership was something the head office condoned posting on a public discussion board. I can ask them, but I think it was you who made the false claims. And so much detail you claimed to know about my membership. How did you come by that information? I am serious about this.
>
> What was that? Defaming me by saying I hear voices in my head? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Of course you don't. One would think that after the great many mistakes you have made you would speak more carefully, however I have yet to see that happen...again, let me repeat,why don't we have a judge look at it and determine who has done what? Your opinions will not add up the way you believe they will, so why not try it? put your money where your mouth is! I notice you ignore my asking you to show me any direct evidence so I'll quote it to make it easier to see what I said: 'Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!"'
>
> I've been waiting for years to see any...you have never shown any...
>
>
> > Ready?
> >
> > O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
> > -------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Ready?
> >
> > O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
>
> You have yet to speak any truth. Your assertions that Twitchell's plagiarisms prove that ANY of the Masters are fictional, is simply not true. If it would, then why has no one ever brought it to trial? Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! THAT is the reason you refuse to show anything, but that isn't surprising, you NEVER show anything! Just as you have never proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your assertions are accurate OR true! You simply have NO such evidence! Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? On that you would once again be mistaken, and you have quite a history of speaking against the organization that you are demanding to be considered a member of! Trying to play both sides of it are we? Is that this famous double standard yet again? The only consistency you have ever had has been to be anti-Eckankar, and there are volumes of evidence to show that here already, but you feel free to follow two "masters" as Paul Twitchell used to say!
>
> Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it!
>
>
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> > O.K. Do you got that?
> > ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> > O.K. Do you got that?
> You have said nothing of worth as of yet....still waiting young man...
>
>
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> > And regardless, a judge can easily look up the record and see that you were in the wrong, Kinpa.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
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> > And regardless, a judge can easily look up the record and see that you were in the wrong, Kinpa.
>
> This is where your mistaken logic leads you astray again,first of all you're assuming that I am wrong, legally speaking, secondly, a judge can't be bothered to look at ANY of this unless someone files suit! I have absolutely NO trouble standing by my words in front of a judge...how about you? Ready? Believing that this or that will constitute proof in a court is one thing, having any worthwhile evidence that a court will consider is quite another and you appear to be unable to know the difference between the two.
>
>
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> > I said it once before and I'll say it again. Your head trips are your own. Keep them.
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> > I said it once before and I'll say it again. Your head trips are your own. Keep them.
>
> What "head trips"? I have none, I see only you claiming that i do...and completely (as is usual for you) without evidence to support what you claim! Anytime you are serious, feel free to bring it, otherwise, you fall into the same category, one who claims tings they have absolutely no evidence of, but who is deluded enough to still believe they have any!
"... Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? ... ."
I can quote your statements and claims about my card and status. Then I will ask if you had accomplices at the head office and whether the false information was made by you alone. For example, I can ask who gave you information about my membership. And false information at that! Or did you mistakenly remote view it and get the information wrong that way?
Also, I didn't know that information about a person's membership was something the head office condoned posting on a public discussion board. I can ask them, but I think it was you who made the false claims. And so much detail you claimed to know about my membership. How did you come by that information? I am serious about this.
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Etznab
Jul 6, 2015, 1:43:48 PM7/6/15
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On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:08:54 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
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> Then do it! What on earth are you waiting for? This is NOT the first time you have made this threat, so FOLLOW THROUGH! Stop threatening and write the letter or make the call! If you are serious then get a move on! How I come by anything is not your business and I will not share that information with you...now, try REAL hard to have a nice day!
You already did share information. You claimed a number of things about my membership status and membership card."
"... How I come by anything is not your business and I will not share that information with you...now, try REAL hard to have a nice day! ... ."
Actually, how you come by false information and then defame me with it publicly ... that is my business, Kinpa.
>
> Then do it! What on earth are you waiting for? This is NOT the first time you have made this threat, so FOLLOW THROUGH! Stop threatening and write the letter or make the call! If you are serious then get a move on! How I come by anything is not your business and I will not share that information with you...now, try REAL hard to have a nice day!
You already did share information. You claimed a number of things about my membership status and membership card."
"... How I come by anything is not your business and I will not share that information with you...now, try REAL hard to have a nice day! ... ."
Actually, how you come by false information and then defame me with it publicly ... that is my business, Kinpa.
Etznab
Jul 6, 2015, 1:46:55 PM7/6/15
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On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:16:29 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Prove any of the above...
> I am aware of no rule of the head office concerning this, however, since you are now claiming this is the case, how can that be if the information was both wrong and a lie? As always, here you go, contradicting yourself and what you said in the previous paragraph.....if what I said was wrong, that alone would make it NOT information about a person's membership and thereby irrelevant whether as to office rules or in any legal context....so which is it? You cannot have it both ways...simple fact.
Did you mistakenly remote view the information? Or make it up intentionally?
> Prove any of the above...
>
>
>
> > Also, I didn't know that information about a person's membership was something the head office condoned posting on a public discussion board. I can ask them, but I think it was you who made the false claims. And so much detail you claimed to know about my membership. How did you come by that information? I am serious about this.
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> > Also, I didn't know that information about a person's membership was something the head office condoned posting on a public discussion board. I can ask them, but I think it was you who made the false claims. And so much detail you claimed to know about my membership. How did you come by that information? I am serious about this.
> I am aware of no rule of the head office concerning this, however, since you are now claiming this is the case, how can that be if the information was both wrong and a lie? As always, here you go, contradicting yourself and what you said in the previous paragraph.....if what I said was wrong, that alone would make it NOT information about a person's membership and thereby irrelevant whether as to office rules or in any legal context....so which is it? You cannot have it both ways...simple fact.
Did you mistakenly remote view the information? Or make it up intentionally?
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Etznab
Jul 19, 2015, 9:46:03 AM7/19/15
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On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:58:01 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 9:16:21 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:10:46 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
> > >
> > > Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!
> >
> > "... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
> >
> > I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
> > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:10:46 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
> > >
> > > Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!
> >
> > "... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
> >
> > I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
> >----------------------------------------------------------
>
> We are by NO means equal,I do not make false claims, and I have NEVER told you that I would prove to you that Rebazar DOES exist...that is a great example of you playing diversion, changing the subject because you aren't able to stand by your complete LACK of evidence for what you CLAIM to be true! Who am I to talk? I am an informed individual, you on the other hand only CLAIM to be! In my opinion the two are anything BUT equal! YOU are falling quite short on the scale of evidence
>
>
>
>
> We are by NO means equal,I do not make false claims, and I have NEVER told you that I would prove to you that Rebazar DOES exist...that is a great example of you playing diversion, changing the subject because you aren't able to stand by your complete LACK of evidence for what you CLAIM to be true! Who am I to talk? I am an informed individual, you on the other hand only CLAIM to be! In my opinion the two are anything BUT equal! YOU are falling quite short on the scale of evidence
>
>
>
> > ***
> >
> > About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
> >
> > "... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
> >
> > Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
> >
> > About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
> >
> > "... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
> >
> > Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I have never defamed you, that is an empty claim that neither of you can actually prove...am I the only person to see a common thread here? You LOVE to CLAIM things that you cannot PROVE! And you expect others to simply believe you because you CLAIM to have some circumstantial evidence, evidence that at BEST relies completely on other evidence, which you also have been thus far unable to provide, as opposed to DIRECT evidence, the kind that is able stand alone! You ACT as if you have some, but you have yet to provide ANY actual direct evidence!
>
> You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!
>
> There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk...
>
> You can consider yourself proven a liar just as sean has proven over and over again that he is a liar and a plagiarist! Which of you is bringing a suit in a court of law? Oh yes, NEITHER of you! Why? For the simple fact that you have NO grounds upon which to sue me! Precedent does NOT favor seanie in the way that he imagines it does! If he disagrees he can go and actually hire an attorney and file suit....as can YOU! I have been waiting for quite some time now, and neither of you has filed suit, but I shouldn't be surprised, since seanie LIED about suing "Gloria" for making public his threat of raping her! That is also a 100% LIE! If that had actually been done, there would be court records available to show that, and there are NONE! Sean = LIAR! Richard = Liar! BOTH things are proven! Like it or lump it, which you do is really not my concern, however DO stop ranting and raving LIES and expecting anyone to believe a thing you say!
>
>
>
> I have never defamed you, that is an empty claim that neither of you can actually prove...am I the only person to see a common thread here? You LOVE to CLAIM things that you cannot PROVE! And you expect others to simply believe you because you CLAIM to have some circumstantial evidence, evidence that at BEST relies completely on other evidence, which you also have been thus far unable to provide, as opposed to DIRECT evidence, the kind that is able stand alone! You ACT as if you have some, but you have yet to provide ANY actual direct evidence!
>
> You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!
>
> There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk...
>
> You can consider yourself proven a liar just as sean has proven over and over again that he is a liar and a plagiarist! Which of you is bringing a suit in a court of law? Oh yes, NEITHER of you! Why? For the simple fact that you have NO grounds upon which to sue me! Precedent does NOT favor seanie in the way that he imagines it does! If he disagrees he can go and actually hire an attorney and file suit....as can YOU! I have been waiting for quite some time now, and neither of you has filed suit, but I shouldn't be surprised, since seanie LIED about suing "Gloria" for making public his threat of raping her! That is also a 100% LIE! If that had actually been done, there would be court records available to show that, and there are NONE! Sean = LIAR! Richard = Liar! BOTH things are proven! Like it or lump it, which you do is really not my concern, however DO stop ranting and raving LIES and expecting anyone to believe a thing you say!
>
>
>
> > Here's the thing. You have written other things about me (and Sean) that I know are not true. I (and Sean) told you they were not true, but then you showed no respect.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> That is another claim that you say is untrue, but I notice that all you have is the claim...if you refuse to admit it, it didn't happen, right? We both know that that is NOT true! You have never done anything to deserve any respect, so do not even attempt to claim it is owed you when it simply is NOT! You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here!
"... You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here! [... .]"
>
> That is another claim that you say is untrue, but I notice that all you have is the claim...if you refuse to admit it, it didn't happen, right? We both know that that is NOT true! You have never done anything to deserve any respect, so do not even attempt to claim it is owed you when it simply is NOT! You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here!
Kinpa. What were you talking about?
I think those were your words. Example:
"... Bring me down! Write to Eckankar! Do your best to embarrass me if you wish, but don't be too disappointed if it doesn't work out the way you believe it will....and remember that I DID invite you to walk the walk after talking the talk so many times....I'm not running away....do what you feel you need to do..."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/bring$20you$20down|sort:date/alt.religion.eckankar/0hcxVlGQVu8/zZ9YR_pbFjIJ
I really think Kinpa was the person who typed "bring" and "bring it" more than anybody else here. I think he also typed "bring" and "down" and those are his words.
Kinpa. Are you afraid for your lies?
Henosis Sage
Jul 19, 2015, 10:48:30 AM7/19/15
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"I really think Kinpa was the person who typed "bring" and "bring it" more
than anybody else here. I think he also typed "bring" and "down" and those
are his words. "
Those are not words that I have used. Nor have you ever used such
terminology, or hassled people like that, ever in your life!
So yeah I think what you're pinpointing here is that Kinpa can't tell the
difference between replying to you and replying to his OWN comments,
imagining YOU said it when you didn't -- he did!!!
Disturbing isn't it? Sad and totally unnecessary "persecution" imho.
You do not deserve this one bit!!! But whatever.
Ours is not reason why ....
Etznab
Jan 3, 2016, 6:39:14 PM1/3/16
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On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 10:09:23 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
Are you telling me?
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> What was that? Defaming me by saying I hear voices in my head? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Of course you don't. One would think that after the great many mistakes you have made you would speak more carefully, however I have yet to see that happen...again, let me repeat,why don't we have a judge look at it and determine who has done what? Your opinions will not add up the way you believe they will, so why not try it? put your money where your mouth is! I notice you ignore my asking you to show me any direct evidence so I'll quote it to make it easier to see what I said: 'Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!"'
>
> I've been waiting for years to see any...you have never shown any...
>
>
>
> What was that? Defaming me by saying I hear voices in my head? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Of course you don't. One would think that after the great many mistakes you have made you would speak more carefully, however I have yet to see that happen...again, let me repeat,why don't we have a judge look at it and determine who has done what? Your opinions will not add up the way you believe they will, so why not try it? put your money where your mouth is! I notice you ignore my asking you to show me any direct evidence so I'll quote it to make it easier to see what I said: 'Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!"'
>
> I've been waiting for years to see any...you have never shown any...
>
>
> > Ready?
> >
> > O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
> >
> > O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
> > -------------------------------------------------------
>
> You have yet to speak any truth. Your assertions that Twitchell's plagiarisms prove that ANY of the Masters are fictional, is simply not true. If it would, then why has no one ever brought it to trial? Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! THAT is the reason you refuse to show anything, but that isn't surprising, you NEVER show anything! Just as you have never proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your assertions are accurate OR true! You simply have NO such evidence! Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? On that you would once again be mistaken, and you have quite a history of speaking against the organization that you are demanding to be considered a member of! Trying to play both sides of it are we? Is that this famous double standard yet again? The only consistency you have ever had has been to be anti-Eckankar, and there are volumes of evidence to show that here already, but you feel free to follow two "masters" as Paul Twitchell used to say!
>
> Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it!
>
>
>
>
> You have yet to speak any truth. Your assertions that Twitchell's plagiarisms prove that ANY of the Masters are fictional, is simply not true. If it would, then why has no one ever brought it to trial? Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! THAT is the reason you refuse to show anything, but that isn't surprising, you NEVER show anything! Just as you have never proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your assertions are accurate OR true! You simply have NO such evidence! Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? On that you would once again be mistaken, and you have quite a history of speaking against the organization that you are demanding to be considered a member of! Trying to play both sides of it are we? Is that this famous double standard yet again? The only consistency you have ever had has been to be anti-Eckankar, and there are volumes of evidence to show that here already, but you feel free to follow two "masters" as Paul Twitchell used to say!
>
> Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it!
>
>
>
> > O.K. Do you got that?
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> You have said nothing of worth as of yet....still waiting young man...
>
>
>
> You have said nothing of worth as of yet....still waiting young man...
>
>
>
> > And regardless, a judge can easily look up the record and see that you were in the wrong, Kinpa.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> This is where your mistaken logic leads you astray again,first of all you're assuming that I am wrong, legally speaking, secondly, a judge can't be bothered to look at ANY of this unless someone files suit! I have absolutely NO trouble standing by my words in front of a judge...how about you? Ready? Believing that this or that will constitute proof in a court is one thing, having any worthwhile evidence that a court will consider is quite another and you appear to be unable to know the difference between the two.
>
>
>
>
> This is where your mistaken logic leads you astray again,first of all you're assuming that I am wrong, legally speaking, secondly, a judge can't be bothered to look at ANY of this unless someone files suit! I have absolutely NO trouble standing by my words in front of a judge...how about you? Ready? Believing that this or that will constitute proof in a court is one thing, having any worthwhile evidence that a court will consider is quite another and you appear to be unable to know the difference between the two.
>
>
>
> > I said it once before and I'll say it again. Your head trips are your own. Keep them.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> What "head trips"? I have none, I see only you claiming that i do...and completely (as is usual for you) without evidence to support what you claim! Anytime you are serious, feel free to bring it, otherwise, you fall into the same category, one who claims tings they have absolutely no evidence of, but who is deluded enough to still believe they have any!
[...] Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! [... .]
>
> What "head trips"? I have none, I see only you claiming that i do...and completely (as is usual for you) without evidence to support what you claim! Anytime you are serious, feel free to bring it, otherwise, you fall into the same category, one who claims tings they have absolutely no evidence of, but who is deluded enough to still believe they have any!
Are you telling me?
Etznab
Jan 3, 2016, 8:08:41 PM1/3/16
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On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:58:01 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 9:16:21 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:10:46 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
> > >
> > > Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!
> >
> > "... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
> >
> > I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
> > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:10:46 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
> > >
> > > Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!
> >
> > "... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
> >
> > I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
> >----------------------------------------------------------
>
> We are by NO means equal,I do not make false claims, and I have NEVER told you that I would prove to you that Rebazar DOES exist...that is a great example of you playing diversion, changing the subject because you aren't able to stand by your complete LACK of evidence for what you CLAIM to be true! Who am I to talk? I am an informed individual, you on the other hand only CLAIM to be! In my opinion the two are anything BUT equal! YOU are falling quite short on the scale of evidence
>
>
>
>
> We are by NO means equal,I do not make false claims, and I have NEVER told you that I would prove to you that Rebazar DOES exist...that is a great example of you playing diversion, changing the subject because you aren't able to stand by your complete LACK of evidence for what you CLAIM to be true! Who am I to talk? I am an informed individual, you on the other hand only CLAIM to be! In my opinion the two are anything BUT equal! YOU are falling quite short on the scale of evidence
>
>
>
> > ***
> >
> > About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
> >
> > "... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
> >
> > Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
> >
> > About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
> >
> > "... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
> >
> > Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I have never defamed you, that is an empty claim that neither of you can actually prove...am I the only person to see a common thread here? You LOVE to CLAIM things that you cannot PROVE! And you expect others to simply believe you because you CLAIM to have some circumstantial evidence, evidence that at BEST relies completely on other evidence, which you also have been thus far unable to provide, as opposed to DIRECT evidence, the kind that is able stand alone! You ACT as if you have some, but you have yet to provide ANY actual direct evidence!
>
> You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!
>
> There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk...
>
> You can consider yourself proven a liar just as sean has proven over and over again that he is a liar and a plagiarist! Which of you is bringing a suit in a court of law? Oh yes, NEITHER of you! Why? For the simple fact that you have NO grounds upon which to sue me! Precedent does NOT favor seanie in the way that he imagines it does! If he disagrees he can go and actually hire an attorney and file suit....as can YOU! I have been waiting for quite some time now, and neither of you has filed suit, but I shouldn't be surprised, since seanie LIED about suing "Gloria" for making public his threat of raping her! That is also a 100% LIE! If that had actually been done, there would be court records available to show that, and there are NONE! Sean = LIAR! Richard = Liar! BOTH things are proven! Like it or lump it, which you do is really not my concern, however DO stop ranting and raving LIES and expecting anyone to believe a thing you say!
>
>
>
> I have never defamed you, that is an empty claim that neither of you can actually prove...am I the only person to see a common thread here? You LOVE to CLAIM things that you cannot PROVE! And you expect others to simply believe you because you CLAIM to have some circumstantial evidence, evidence that at BEST relies completely on other evidence, which you also have been thus far unable to provide, as opposed to DIRECT evidence, the kind that is able stand alone! You ACT as if you have some, but you have yet to provide ANY actual direct evidence!
>
> You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!
>
> There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk...
>
> You can consider yourself proven a liar just as sean has proven over and over again that he is a liar and a plagiarist! Which of you is bringing a suit in a court of law? Oh yes, NEITHER of you! Why? For the simple fact that you have NO grounds upon which to sue me! Precedent does NOT favor seanie in the way that he imagines it does! If he disagrees he can go and actually hire an attorney and file suit....as can YOU! I have been waiting for quite some time now, and neither of you has filed suit, but I shouldn't be surprised, since seanie LIED about suing "Gloria" for making public his threat of raping her! That is also a 100% LIE! If that had actually been done, there would be court records available to show that, and there are NONE! Sean = LIAR! Richard = Liar! BOTH things are proven! Like it or lump it, which you do is really not my concern, however DO stop ranting and raving LIES and expecting anyone to believe a thing you say!
>
>
>
> > Here's the thing. You have written other things about me (and Sean) that I know are not true. I (and Sean) told you they were not true, but then you showed no respect.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> That is another claim that you say is untrue, but I notice that all you have is the claim...if you refuse to admit it, it didn't happen, right? We both know that that is NOT true! You have never done anything to deserve any respect, so do not even attempt to claim it is owed you when it simply is NOT! You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here!
"[...] You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!
>
> That is another claim that you say is untrue, but I notice that all you have is the claim...if you refuse to admit it, it didn't happen, right? We both know that that is NOT true! You have never done anything to deserve any respect, so do not even attempt to claim it is owed you when it simply is NOT! You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here!
There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk... [... .]"
Yes, Kinpa, I did tell you that I was a member. What did you tell me? Let me refresh your memory.
"You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! ... ."
And that wasn't the only time. Wasn't the only time that you lied to, or about me. Now I have asked you to stop it. I have asked nicely and asked more than once.
***
Think about this. You evidently cannot believe in something without proof. You don't trust me, or my words. Rather, it seems that you need physical proof. So, What if you dreamed that I was a member? What if you had an inner experience that did, in fact, show you my current membership card. Would you believe then? Would that be proof? How about if someone you knew had an inner experience, or a dream and told you that they saw my card and it was current and real? Would that be enough to convince you?
Why the repetitive request for physical proof? Don't you trust my words that I am telling the truth?
For years now I have questioned the reality of Rebazar Tarzs. Some have said that the Eck Masters exist because people claim having experiences with them and before they knew about Eckankar.
In more than one post I wrote about the time when a schism took place between Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp; and their followers. In so many words I included how both sides claimed the Eck Masters said so and so; and the two sides did not agree. There were two sides and each was convinced they were following the true master ... that the ancient line of Eck Masters were on their side.
Also I mentioned other groups that spun off of Eckankar. About how they subscribed to some of the same masters, but that the teachings did not all agree.
So here is something more to consider. Paul Twitchell was not alive to ask for the truth when my questions were asked. However, your questions about my membership card were addressed to someone living and a person who responded to you (ye of little faith) repeatedly that you were wrong. This type of feedback also happened last year with some earlier lies from you about myself and my friends. I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers. How plagiarism doesn't matter, how people have experiences with masters and continue to join Eckankar. In spite of all that you continue to repeat the same lies about me.
Now there is a record. A very good record of your lies and my having expressed myself repeatedly and asked you to stop.
Etznab
Jan 3, 2016, 8:51:57 PM1/3/16
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On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 10:09:23 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
"[...] Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it! [... .]"
Question from Etznab:
Where did you get the figure Oct./2014? Was this remote viewed by you? Was it from records at Eckankar headquarters? Where did you get that date?
I did look at my card. It doesn't agree with what you showed and what you wrote.
***
This post is a record.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> What was that? Defaming me by saying I hear voices in my head? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Of course you don't. One would think that after the great many mistakes you have made you would speak more carefully, however I have yet to see that happen...again, let me repeat,why don't we have a judge look at it and determine who has done what? Your opinions will not add up the way you believe they will, so why not try it? put your money where your mouth is! I notice you ignore my asking you to show me any direct evidence so I'll quote it to make it easier to see what I said: 'Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!"'
>
> I've been waiting for years to see any...you have never shown any...
>
>
>
> What was that? Defaming me by saying I hear voices in my head? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Of course you don't. One would think that after the great many mistakes you have made you would speak more carefully, however I have yet to see that happen...again, let me repeat,why don't we have a judge look at it and determine who has done what? Your opinions will not add up the way you believe they will, so why not try it? put your money where your mouth is! I notice you ignore my asking you to show me any direct evidence so I'll quote it to make it easier to see what I said: 'Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!"'
>
> I've been waiting for years to see any...you have never shown any...
>
>
> > Ready?
> >
> > O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
> >
> > O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
> > -------------------------------------------------------
>
> You have yet to speak any truth. Your assertions that Twitchell's plagiarisms prove that ANY of the Masters are fictional, is simply not true. If it would, then why has no one ever brought it to trial? Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! THAT is the reason you refuse to show anything, but that isn't surprising, you NEVER show anything! Just as you have never proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your assertions are accurate OR true! You simply have NO such evidence! Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? On that you would once again be mistaken, and you have quite a history of speaking against the organization that you are demanding to be considered a member of! Trying to play both sides of it are we? Is that this famous double standard yet again? The only consistency you have ever had has been to be anti-Eckankar, and there are volumes of evidence to show that here already, but you feel free to follow two "masters" as Paul Twitchell used to say!
>
> Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it!
>
>
>
>
> You have yet to speak any truth. Your assertions that Twitchell's plagiarisms prove that ANY of the Masters are fictional, is simply not true. If it would, then why has no one ever brought it to trial? Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! THAT is the reason you refuse to show anything, but that isn't surprising, you NEVER show anything! Just as you have never proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your assertions are accurate OR true! You simply have NO such evidence! Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? On that you would once again be mistaken, and you have quite a history of speaking against the organization that you are demanding to be considered a member of! Trying to play both sides of it are we? Is that this famous double standard yet again? The only consistency you have ever had has been to be anti-Eckankar, and there are volumes of evidence to show that here already, but you feel free to follow two "masters" as Paul Twitchell used to say!
>
> Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it!
>
>
>
> > O.K. Do you got that?
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> You have said nothing of worth as of yet....still waiting young man...
>
>
>
> You have said nothing of worth as of yet....still waiting young man...
>
>
>
> > And regardless, a judge can easily look up the record and see that you were in the wrong, Kinpa.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> This is where your mistaken logic leads you astray again,first of all you're assuming that I am wrong, legally speaking, secondly, a judge can't be bothered to look at ANY of this unless someone files suit! I have absolutely NO trouble standing by my words in front of a judge...how about you? Ready? Believing that this or that will constitute proof in a court is one thing, having any worthwhile evidence that a court will consider is quite another and you appear to be unable to know the difference between the two.
>
>
>
>
> This is where your mistaken logic leads you astray again,first of all you're assuming that I am wrong, legally speaking, secondly, a judge can't be bothered to look at ANY of this unless someone files suit! I have absolutely NO trouble standing by my words in front of a judge...how about you? Ready? Believing that this or that will constitute proof in a court is one thing, having any worthwhile evidence that a court will consider is quite another and you appear to be unable to know the difference between the two.
>
>
>
> > I said it once before and I'll say it again. Your head trips are your own. Keep them.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> What "head trips"? I have none, I see only you claiming that i do...and completely (as is usual for you) without evidence to support what you claim! Anytime you are serious, feel free to bring it, otherwise, you fall into the same category, one who claims tings they have absolutely no evidence of, but who is deluded enough to still believe they have any!
Kinpa wrote:
>
> What "head trips"? I have none, I see only you claiming that i do...and completely (as is usual for you) without evidence to support what you claim! Anytime you are serious, feel free to bring it, otherwise, you fall into the same category, one who claims tings they have absolutely no evidence of, but who is deluded enough to still believe they have any!
"[...] Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it! [... .]"
Question from Etznab:
Where did you get the figure Oct./2014? Was this remote viewed by you? Was it from records at Eckankar headquarters? Where did you get that date?
I did look at my card. It doesn't agree with what you showed and what you wrote.
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Henosis Sage
Jan 4, 2016, 10:34:58 AM1/4/16
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On Monday, 4 January 2016 13:43:38 UTC+11, Kinpa wrote:
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> What ifs are meaningless. I said my opinion. That is that. How I came by that opinion or a mistrust of you is something I am not offering an explanation of.
> No, I do not.
> Now, here we have a lie.You might consider it bragging, but that would require your opinion of the site as being important to me for that to be the case, and neither are important to me. I have never claimed to have a single "follower" in any context ever. Plagiarism does NOT matter to me, and to a great many others who continually join Eckankar. They also do not matter to the great number of NON-ECKIsts who both see and converse with several of the so called "fictional" ECK Masters, and you HAVE claimed them to be fictional as well as claiming that plagiarized words being attributed to any of them by Sri Paul Twitchell proves them to be fictional. I have said that you have no direct evidence to support that assumption, Did you "respect" my opinion? No. You joined in with sean to ridicule me and call me a liar over having said that. Not the way an actual ECKist would act, whether they believed in ECK Masters or not.
>
> You claim them to be lies. That is fine. Opinion versus opinion. What of it? It bothers you that I've said that in public? I never threatened you in any way. Calling you names is really not worth commenting on, report it if you wish but DO be sure to show the COMPLETE conversations and BOTH sides of them, because I most certainly will! Just don't be like sean and LIE about making these reports, eh?
> You cannot use the excuse of investigating Eckankar or any split off groups as an excuse, you have vocally agreed with sean far too many times to simply be trusted at your word when you claim to be an actual ECKist, I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's too bad.
>
> Then make a lie up about sending any data to Susan Miller! I'll be waiting.
--------------
RE: "Not the way an actual ECKist would act, whether they believed in ECK Masters or not."
ALL THIS SECTION WRITTEN BY KINPA ON a.r.e.
RE: "....but you ARE a criminal so it is well known that you are active with
many illegal pursuits..."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JjM1TNIcPIw/xcbZPUoWVNsJ
RE: "You have had two Yale professors looking in on this, and they shake their
heads at the delusion you both insist upon! Thanks SO much for this
neverending ammunition to use against you both!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/OmlPX6VXjm0J
RE: "Every person that has read his rants here in the last 3 days asks if he is gay
LOL...It certainly seems as if he is, regardless of his words!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/2fdntHskUCcJ
RE: "I am not the insane on, YOU are, and you continually prove this daily!
Keep going seanella! We're all watching!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/ZNtfi_zVmycJ
RE: "How about your poltergeist???"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/c5wLh-LbL3E/W2IhyME6z_8J
RE: "There is no Kinpakar, however, that is also religious persecution
under Federal mandates! "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/uIhQ3M-dM7U/AJrFFuZCgn8J
RE: "....keep crying seanella, it couldn;t be more obvious that you are
disturbed by me...and might be somewhat gay as well... "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/pKMSLChuYcoJ
RE: "They DO watch every bit of it however, that is how so many witnessed your
deleting threads yesterday...you must've gotten scared."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/4DO_0R4uH70J
RE: ".....I can keep this up for years, I have absolutely NO problem with it,
and this is why I so do NOT care about your opinions or beliefs, they
are negligible at best! Anything else to say seanella??? "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/r7u0tx-GJqwJ
Is this the same guy who goes ona dn one recently about DOUBLE STANDARDS is it?
<smiling>
2016 is already a wonderful year for me.
It will be so for everyone, but that's life on Planet Earth.
> What ifs are meaningless. I said my opinion. That is that. How I came by that opinion or a mistrust of you is something I am not offering an explanation of.
>
>
>
> > Why the repetitive request for physical proof? Don't you trust my words that I am telling the truth?
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> > Why the repetitive request for physical proof? Don't you trust my words that I am telling the truth?
> No, I do not.
>
>
> > For years now I have questioned the reality of Rebazar Tarzs. Some have said that the Eck Masters exist because people claim having experiences with them and before they knew about Eckankar.
> >
> > In more than one post I wrote about the time when a schism took place between Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp; and their followers. In so many words I included how both sides claimed the Eck Masters said so and so; and the two sides did not agree. There were two sides and each was convinced they were following the true master ... that the ancient line of Eck Masters were on their side.
> >
> > Also I mentioned other groups that spun off of Eckankar. About how they subscribed to some of the same masters, but that the teachings did not all agree.
> >
> > So here is something more to consider. Paul Twitchell was not alive to ask for the truth when my questions were asked. However, your questions about my membership card were addressed to someone living and a person who responded to you (ye of little faith) repeatedly that you were wrong. This type of feedback also happened last year with some earlier lies from you about myself and my friends. I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers. How plagiarism doesn't matter, how people have experiences with masters and continue to join Eckankar. In spite of all that you continue to repeat the same lies about me.
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> > For years now I have questioned the reality of Rebazar Tarzs. Some have said that the Eck Masters exist because people claim having experiences with them and before they knew about Eckankar.
> >
> > In more than one post I wrote about the time when a schism took place between Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp; and their followers. In so many words I included how both sides claimed the Eck Masters said so and so; and the two sides did not agree. There were two sides and each was convinced they were following the true master ... that the ancient line of Eck Masters were on their side.
> >
> > Also I mentioned other groups that spun off of Eckankar. About how they subscribed to some of the same masters, but that the teachings did not all agree.
> >
> > So here is something more to consider. Paul Twitchell was not alive to ask for the truth when my questions were asked. However, your questions about my membership card were addressed to someone living and a person who responded to you (ye of little faith) repeatedly that you were wrong. This type of feedback also happened last year with some earlier lies from you about myself and my friends. I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers. How plagiarism doesn't matter, how people have experiences with masters and continue to join Eckankar. In spite of all that you continue to repeat the same lies about me.
> Now, here we have a lie.You might consider it bragging, but that would require your opinion of the site as being important to me for that to be the case, and neither are important to me. I have never claimed to have a single "follower" in any context ever. Plagiarism does NOT matter to me, and to a great many others who continually join Eckankar. They also do not matter to the great number of NON-ECKIsts who both see and converse with several of the so called "fictional" ECK Masters, and you HAVE claimed them to be fictional as well as claiming that plagiarized words being attributed to any of them by Sri Paul Twitchell proves them to be fictional. I have said that you have no direct evidence to support that assumption, Did you "respect" my opinion? No. You joined in with sean to ridicule me and call me a liar over having said that. Not the way an actual ECKist would act, whether they believed in ECK Masters or not.
>
> You claim them to be lies. That is fine. Opinion versus opinion. What of it? It bothers you that I've said that in public? I never threatened you in any way. Calling you names is really not worth commenting on, report it if you wish but DO be sure to show the COMPLETE conversations and BOTH sides of them, because I most certainly will! Just don't be like sean and LIE about making these reports, eh?
>
>
>
> > Now there is a record. A very good record of your lies and my having expressed myself repeatedly and asked you to stop.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> > Now there is a record. A very good record of your lies and my having expressed myself repeatedly and asked you to stop.
> You cannot use the excuse of investigating Eckankar or any split off groups as an excuse, you have vocally agreed with sean far too many times to simply be trusted at your word when you claim to be an actual ECKist, I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's too bad.
>
> Then make a lie up about sending any data to Susan Miller! I'll be waiting.
--------------
RE: "Not the way an actual ECKist would act, whether they believed in ECK Masters or not."
ALL THIS SECTION WRITTEN BY KINPA ON a.r.e.
RE: "....but you ARE a criminal so it is well known that you are active with
many illegal pursuits..."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JjM1TNIcPIw/xcbZPUoWVNsJ
RE: "You have had two Yale professors looking in on this, and they shake their
heads at the delusion you both insist upon! Thanks SO much for this
neverending ammunition to use against you both!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/OmlPX6VXjm0J
RE: "Every person that has read his rants here in the last 3 days asks if he is gay
LOL...It certainly seems as if he is, regardless of his words!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/2fdntHskUCcJ
RE: "I am not the insane on, YOU are, and you continually prove this daily!
Keep going seanella! We're all watching!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/ZNtfi_zVmycJ
RE: "How about your poltergeist???"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/c5wLh-LbL3E/W2IhyME6z_8J
RE: "There is no Kinpakar, however, that is also religious persecution
under Federal mandates! "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/uIhQ3M-dM7U/AJrFFuZCgn8J
RE: "....keep crying seanella, it couldn;t be more obvious that you are
disturbed by me...and might be somewhat gay as well... "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/pKMSLChuYcoJ
RE: "They DO watch every bit of it however, that is how so many witnessed your
deleting threads yesterday...you must've gotten scared."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/4DO_0R4uH70J
RE: ".....I can keep this up for years, I have absolutely NO problem with it,
and this is why I so do NOT care about your opinions or beliefs, they
are negligible at best! Anything else to say seanella??? "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/r7u0tx-GJqwJ
Is this the same guy who goes ona dn one recently about DOUBLE STANDARDS is it?
<smiling>
2016 is already a wonderful year for me.
It will be so for everyone, but that's life on Planet Earth.
Henosis Sage
Jan 4, 2016, 11:37:09 AM1/4/16
to
On Tuesday, 7 July 2015 05:12:09 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Not your business actually....
RE KINPA-POO:
"Not your business actually.... "
As it's NOT your business if Etznab is a member of Eckankar or not.
However, please do write ESC and ask for information about Etznab and
if he is a current member if it is so important to you.
Then again, you have said already on multiple ocassions that he defintiely is NOT and that he has LIED about it.
That is DEFAMATION, INTIMIDATION, THREATENING, CYBER-STALKING AND HARASSMENT.
It's criminal behaviour - it's illegal - and there are penalties for it.
The evidence is every where on a.r.e. the last 16 MONTHS SINCE 5TH SEPT 2014.
THAT EVIDENCE IS DOCUMENTED with ORIGINAL METADATA in original digital form.
The extra effort at "manipulation and the double speak" are showing.
Etznab, this is a KEEPER ***** Star post by Kinpa.
cheers
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For example:
Kinpa 06/09/2014 [Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT)]
you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/ja1si8ZDI3g/27mjezPWCKwJ
Kinpa 07/09/2014
you cant even say what YOU are trying to say very clearly, yet you keep trying and trying LOL...hilarious!, keep this going, please? it isnt easy to find this much fun for free!
Kinpa 07/09/2014
you might want to run to the toilet, or youll make a mess in your pants!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/sDcAqlSOGqE/17PgdOEI_HsJ
Kinpa 06/09/2014 [[ Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:14:29 -0700 (PDT) ]
then why don't you sue them and be done with it???
Kinpa 07/09/2014
awwww look at you, trying SO hard to make people angry and utterly failing...i know every single bit of the story, its quite an old one you silly man...but the fact of the matter is that most people just arent as concerned as you are with it....is that weight getting heavy yet? how is your back doing?? Father's day has been over for months...i see BOTH of my sons on Father's day ;) i am a blessed individual~!
Kinpa 07/09/2014
are your bowels giving you trouble tonite? you seem to have fallen quiet...oh well...myself, i dont personally care what you believe, that is entirely up to you, however, you seriously have NO evidence, [...] lol....nice try i suppose, but still, no cigar...try again perhaps?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/rr3NQe7gdl8J
Kinpa 07/09/2014
you messed in your pants peetee LOL, on anything other than the physical planes, my sons are always with me you silly man...you may not believe what you are told, but you also arent so good at getting the information directly on the inner either are you? i dont have that trouble ;) anyhow, you were warned...im still waiting to see the proof you have of Masters that dont exist peetee boy! bring it if youve got it!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/IgB7-iin3OQJ
FOLLOWING COMMENTS WERE POSTED FROM THE PROPERTY OF LONI HAAS IN GEORGIA
USING HER INTERNET ACCESS
Kinpa 24/09/2014
oh DO stop whining! lol who honestly cares??? NO ONE! deal with it man! who cares what so and so called it then and what so and so calls it now? the most hilarious thing is that none of the people you are criticizing will ever see your words nor ever care to waste the time responding [..]
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4P_4RUwnFy8/-nnfiPzvyAYJ
Kinpa 24/09/2014
....it is obvious that you yourself have never encountered any of these, and i am not judging you over that, however, it is still quite biased to state evidences of plagiarism and then assume without any further evidence that that somehow proves someone is purely fictional. thing simply dont work that way, but of course you may certainly choose the view you would like to have, i doubt that anyone would tell you that you couldn't, however, do not place assumptions in a spot where a truth belongs, even if you are unable to discover what that truth might be. doing so only shows a fault in your ability to investigate these things.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PICK4f52ZSo/dcCN4YfQJ5gJ
Kinpa 14/10/2014 [BACK HOME BY LAKE HURON]
and...so what?? i fail to see how anything is as big a deal as you always claim it to be lol, but you ARE entitled to your own opinion...enjoy that! for all the good (or lack thereof)it will do you! :D
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BdLTTItzUOk/EE8YyfSPMU4J
Kinpa-Poo loves to self-promote his presumptuous "talents" here.
Something happened between his FIRST series of posts in early Sept to his
posting from LONI's home on the 24th Sept.
That was registered and noted. I carried on, business as usual.
Kinpa-Poo returned in full on attack / intimidation mode in early December 2014
as the "front man".
PS
SEPT 7th 2014 Kinpa-Poo said:
what of it? i personally just dont care much about any of it....
how about YOU prove to ME and the rest of the world that they were in fact %100 made up by Paul Twitchell?? can you do that?? i dont actually care....
....i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called
"fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from
changing names in his writings (or plagiarisms, however you see it) and yet
people who happen to be wide awake see and speak to them.
...if it makes you feel better, feel free to decide that each of these persons
is obviously perhaps a bit mentally challenged, or even "crazy", it makes no
difference to me, but honestly, do you REALLY need attention THIS bad? you seem
to be one particularly squeeky wheel over here, for whatever reason.
..it IS your time and energy, so far be it from me to tell you how to or how
not to spend them, i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five,
because it amuses me to do so....enjoy the rest of your day regardless~!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/K2x2VFyXg0IJ
16 Months later, Kinpa-Poo is still amused and still going "hard" and still
DOES NOT CARE.
<smiling>
> Not your business actually....
RE KINPA-POO:
"Not your business actually.... "
As it's NOT your business if Etznab is a member of Eckankar or not.
However, please do write ESC and ask for information about Etznab and
if he is a current member if it is so important to you.
Then again, you have said already on multiple ocassions that he defintiely is NOT and that he has LIED about it.
That is DEFAMATION, INTIMIDATION, THREATENING, CYBER-STALKING AND HARASSMENT.
It's criminal behaviour - it's illegal - and there are penalties for it.
The evidence is every where on a.r.e. the last 16 MONTHS SINCE 5TH SEPT 2014.
THAT EVIDENCE IS DOCUMENTED with ORIGINAL METADATA in original digital form.
The extra effort at "manipulation and the double speak" are showing.
Etznab, this is a KEEPER ***** Star post by Kinpa.
cheers
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For example:
Kinpa 06/09/2014 [Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT)]
you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/ja1si8ZDI3g/27mjezPWCKwJ
Kinpa 07/09/2014
you cant even say what YOU are trying to say very clearly, yet you keep trying and trying LOL...hilarious!, keep this going, please? it isnt easy to find this much fun for free!
Kinpa 07/09/2014
you might want to run to the toilet, or youll make a mess in your pants!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/sDcAqlSOGqE/17PgdOEI_HsJ
Kinpa 06/09/2014 [[ Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:14:29 -0700 (PDT) ]
then why don't you sue them and be done with it???
Kinpa 07/09/2014
awwww look at you, trying SO hard to make people angry and utterly failing...i know every single bit of the story, its quite an old one you silly man...but the fact of the matter is that most people just arent as concerned as you are with it....is that weight getting heavy yet? how is your back doing?? Father's day has been over for months...i see BOTH of my sons on Father's day ;) i am a blessed individual~!
Kinpa 07/09/2014
are your bowels giving you trouble tonite? you seem to have fallen quiet...oh well...myself, i dont personally care what you believe, that is entirely up to you, however, you seriously have NO evidence, [...] lol....nice try i suppose, but still, no cigar...try again perhaps?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/rr3NQe7gdl8J
Kinpa 07/09/2014
you messed in your pants peetee LOL, on anything other than the physical planes, my sons are always with me you silly man...you may not believe what you are told, but you also arent so good at getting the information directly on the inner either are you? i dont have that trouble ;) anyhow, you were warned...im still waiting to see the proof you have of Masters that dont exist peetee boy! bring it if youve got it!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/IgB7-iin3OQJ
FOLLOWING COMMENTS WERE POSTED FROM THE PROPERTY OF LONI HAAS IN GEORGIA
USING HER INTERNET ACCESS
Kinpa 24/09/2014
oh DO stop whining! lol who honestly cares??? NO ONE! deal with it man! who cares what so and so called it then and what so and so calls it now? the most hilarious thing is that none of the people you are criticizing will ever see your words nor ever care to waste the time responding [..]
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4P_4RUwnFy8/-nnfiPzvyAYJ
Kinpa 24/09/2014
....it is obvious that you yourself have never encountered any of these, and i am not judging you over that, however, it is still quite biased to state evidences of plagiarism and then assume without any further evidence that that somehow proves someone is purely fictional. thing simply dont work that way, but of course you may certainly choose the view you would like to have, i doubt that anyone would tell you that you couldn't, however, do not place assumptions in a spot where a truth belongs, even if you are unable to discover what that truth might be. doing so only shows a fault in your ability to investigate these things.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PICK4f52ZSo/dcCN4YfQJ5gJ
Kinpa 14/10/2014 [BACK HOME BY LAKE HURON]
and...so what?? i fail to see how anything is as big a deal as you always claim it to be lol, but you ARE entitled to your own opinion...enjoy that! for all the good (or lack thereof)it will do you! :D
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BdLTTItzUOk/EE8YyfSPMU4J
Kinpa-Poo loves to self-promote his presumptuous "talents" here.
Something happened between his FIRST series of posts in early Sept to his
posting from LONI's home on the 24th Sept.
That was registered and noted. I carried on, business as usual.
Kinpa-Poo returned in full on attack / intimidation mode in early December 2014
as the "front man".
PS
SEPT 7th 2014 Kinpa-Poo said:
what of it? i personally just dont care much about any of it....
how about YOU prove to ME and the rest of the world that they were in fact %100 made up by Paul Twitchell?? can you do that?? i dont actually care....
....i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called
"fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from
changing names in his writings (or plagiarisms, however you see it) and yet
people who happen to be wide awake see and speak to them.
...if it makes you feel better, feel free to decide that each of these persons
is obviously perhaps a bit mentally challenged, or even "crazy", it makes no
difference to me, but honestly, do you REALLY need attention THIS bad? you seem
to be one particularly squeeky wheel over here, for whatever reason.
..it IS your time and energy, so far be it from me to tell you how to or how
not to spend them, i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five,
because it amuses me to do so....enjoy the rest of your day regardless~!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/K2x2VFyXg0IJ
16 Months later, Kinpa-Poo is still amused and still going "hard" and still
DOES NOT CARE.
<smiling>
Etznab
Jan 4, 2016, 1:29:09 PM1/4/16
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On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 8:43:38 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:
I suspect that was, in part, a response to what I recently wrote to you.
"I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers."
Your response included: "I have never claimed to have a single "follower" in any context ever."
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> What ifs are meaningless. I said my opinion. That is that. How I came by that opinion or a mistrust of you is something I am not offering an explanation of.
>
>
>
> What ifs are meaningless. I said my opinion. That is that. How I came by that opinion or a mistrust of you is something I am not offering an explanation of.
>
>
>
> > Why the repetitive request for physical proof? Don't you trust my words that I am telling the truth?
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> No, I do not.
>
>
> No, I do not.
>
>
> > For years now I have questioned the reality of Rebazar Tarzs. Some have said that the Eck Masters exist because people claim having experiences with them and before they knew about Eckankar.
> >
> > In more than one post I wrote about the time when a schism took place between Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp; and their followers. In so many words I included how both sides claimed the Eck Masters said so and so; and the two sides did not agree. There were two sides and each was convinced they were following the true master ... that the ancient line of Eck Masters were on their side.
> >
> > Also I mentioned other groups that spun off of Eckankar. About how they subscribed to some of the same masters, but that the teachings did not all agree.
> >
> > So here is something more to consider. Paul Twitchell was not alive to ask for the truth when my questions were asked. However, your questions about my membership card were addressed to someone living and a person who responded to you (ye of little faith) repeatedly that you were wrong. This type of feedback also happened last year with some earlier lies from you about myself and my friends. I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers. How plagiarism doesn't matter, how people have experiences with masters and continue to join Eckankar. In spite of all that you continue to repeat the same lies about me.
> >
> > In more than one post I wrote about the time when a schism took place between Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp; and their followers. In so many words I included how both sides claimed the Eck Masters said so and so; and the two sides did not agree. There were two sides and each was convinced they were following the true master ... that the ancient line of Eck Masters were on their side.
> >
> > Also I mentioned other groups that spun off of Eckankar. About how they subscribed to some of the same masters, but that the teachings did not all agree.
> >
> > So here is something more to consider. Paul Twitchell was not alive to ask for the truth when my questions were asked. However, your questions about my membership card were addressed to someone living and a person who responded to you (ye of little faith) repeatedly that you were wrong. This type of feedback also happened last year with some earlier lies from you about myself and my friends. I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers. How plagiarism doesn't matter, how people have experiences with masters and continue to join Eckankar. In spite of all that you continue to repeat the same lies about me.
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Now, here we have a lie.You might consider it bragging, but that would require your opinion of the site as being important to me for that to be the case, and neither are important to me. I have never claimed to have a single "follower" in any context ever. Plagiarism does NOT matter to me, and to a great many others who continually join Eckankar. They also do not matter to the great number of NON-ECKIsts who both see and converse with several of the so called "fictional" ECK Masters, and you HAVE claimed them to be fictional as well as claiming that plagiarized words being attributed to any of them by Sri Paul Twitchell proves them to be fictional. I have said that you have no direct evidence to support that assumption, Did you "respect" my opinion? No. You joined in with sean to ridicule me and call me a liar over having said that. Not the way an actual ECKist would act, whether they believed in ECK Masters or not.
>
> You claim them to be lies. That is fine. Opinion versus opinion. What of it? It bothers you that I've said that in public? I never threatened you in any way. Calling you names is really not worth commenting on, report it if you wish but DO be sure to show the COMPLETE conversations and BOTH sides of them, because I most certainly will! Just don't be like sean and LIE about making these reports, eh?
>
>
>
> Now, here we have a lie.You might consider it bragging, but that would require your opinion of the site as being important to me for that to be the case, and neither are important to me. I have never claimed to have a single "follower" in any context ever. Plagiarism does NOT matter to me, and to a great many others who continually join Eckankar. They also do not matter to the great number of NON-ECKIsts who both see and converse with several of the so called "fictional" ECK Masters, and you HAVE claimed them to be fictional as well as claiming that plagiarized words being attributed to any of them by Sri Paul Twitchell proves them to be fictional. I have said that you have no direct evidence to support that assumption, Did you "respect" my opinion? No. You joined in with sean to ridicule me and call me a liar over having said that. Not the way an actual ECKist would act, whether they believed in ECK Masters or not.
>
> You claim them to be lies. That is fine. Opinion versus opinion. What of it? It bothers you that I've said that in public? I never threatened you in any way. Calling you names is really not worth commenting on, report it if you wish but DO be sure to show the COMPLETE conversations and BOTH sides of them, because I most certainly will! Just don't be like sean and LIE about making these reports, eh?
>
>
>
> > Now there is a record. A very good record of your lies and my having expressed myself repeatedly and asked you to stop.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> You cannot use the excuse of investigating Eckankar or any split off groups as an excuse, you have vocally agreed with sean far too many times to simply be trusted at your word when you claim to be an actual ECKist, I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's too bad.
>
> Then make a lie up about sending any data to Susan Miller! I'll be waiting.
"Now, here we have a lie.You might consider it bragging, but that would require your opinion of the site as being important to me for that to be the case, and neither are important to me. I have never claimed to have a single "follower" in any context ever. [... .]"
> You cannot use the excuse of investigating Eckankar or any split off groups as an excuse, you have vocally agreed with sean far too many times to simply be trusted at your word when you claim to be an actual ECKist, I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's too bad.
>
> Then make a lie up about sending any data to Susan Miller! I'll be waiting.
I suspect that was, in part, a response to what I recently wrote to you.
"I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers."
Etznab
Jan 4, 2016, 2:03:44 PM1/4/16
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On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 8:43:38 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> What ifs are meaningless. I said my opinion. That is that. How I came by that opinion or a mistrust of you is something I am not offering an explanation of.
>
>
>
> What ifs are meaningless. I said my opinion. That is that. How I came by that opinion or a mistrust of you is something I am not offering an explanation of.
>
>
>
> > Why the repetitive request for physical proof? Don't you trust my words that I am telling the truth?
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> No, I do not.
>
>
> No, I do not.
>
>
> > For years now I have questioned the reality of Rebazar Tarzs. Some have said that the Eck Masters exist because people claim having experiences with them and before they knew about Eckankar.
> >
> > In more than one post I wrote about the time when a schism took place between Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp; and their followers. In so many words I included how both sides claimed the Eck Masters said so and so; and the two sides did not agree. There were two sides and each was convinced they were following the true master ... that the ancient line of Eck Masters were on their side.
> >
> > Also I mentioned other groups that spun off of Eckankar. About how they subscribed to some of the same masters, but that the teachings did not all agree.
> >
> > So here is something more to consider. Paul Twitchell was not alive to ask for the truth when my questions were asked. However, your questions about my membership card were addressed to someone living and a person who responded to you (ye of little faith) repeatedly that you were wrong. This type of feedback also happened last year with some earlier lies from you about myself and my friends. I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers. How plagiarism doesn't matter, how people have experiences with masters and continue to join Eckankar. In spite of all that you continue to repeat the same lies about me.
> >
> > In more than one post I wrote about the time when a schism took place between Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp; and their followers. In so many words I included how both sides claimed the Eck Masters said so and so; and the two sides did not agree. There were two sides and each was convinced they were following the true master ... that the ancient line of Eck Masters were on their side.
> >
> > Also I mentioned other groups that spun off of Eckankar. About how they subscribed to some of the same masters, but that the teachings did not all agree.
> >
> > So here is something more to consider. Paul Twitchell was not alive to ask for the truth when my questions were asked. However, your questions about my membership card were addressed to someone living and a person who responded to you (ye of little faith) repeatedly that you were wrong. This type of feedback also happened last year with some earlier lies from you about myself and my friends. I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers. How plagiarism doesn't matter, how people have experiences with masters and continue to join Eckankar. In spite of all that you continue to repeat the same lies about me.
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Now, here we have a lie.You might consider it bragging, but that would require your opinion of the site as being important to me for that to be the case, and neither are important to me. I have never claimed to have a single "follower" in any context ever. Plagiarism does NOT matter to me, and to a great many others who continually join Eckankar. They also do not matter to the great number of NON-ECKIsts who both see and converse with several of the so called "fictional" ECK Masters, and you HAVE claimed them to be fictional as well as claiming that plagiarized words being attributed to any of them by Sri Paul Twitchell proves them to be fictional. I have said that you have no direct evidence to support that assumption, Did you "respect" my opinion? No. You joined in with sean to ridicule me and call me a liar over having said that. Not the way an actual ECKist would act, whether they believed in ECK Masters or not.
>
> You claim them to be lies. That is fine. Opinion versus opinion. What of it? It bothers you that I've said that in public? I never threatened you in any way. Calling you names is really not worth commenting on, report it if you wish but DO be sure to show the COMPLETE conversations and BOTH sides of them, because I most certainly will! Just don't be like sean and LIE about making these reports, eh?
>
>
>
> Now, here we have a lie.You might consider it bragging, but that would require your opinion of the site as being important to me for that to be the case, and neither are important to me. I have never claimed to have a single "follower" in any context ever. Plagiarism does NOT matter to me, and to a great many others who continually join Eckankar. They also do not matter to the great number of NON-ECKIsts who both see and converse with several of the so called "fictional" ECK Masters, and you HAVE claimed them to be fictional as well as claiming that plagiarized words being attributed to any of them by Sri Paul Twitchell proves them to be fictional. I have said that you have no direct evidence to support that assumption, Did you "respect" my opinion? No. You joined in with sean to ridicule me and call me a liar over having said that. Not the way an actual ECKist would act, whether they believed in ECK Masters or not.
>
> You claim them to be lies. That is fine. Opinion versus opinion. What of it? It bothers you that I've said that in public? I never threatened you in any way. Calling you names is really not worth commenting on, report it if you wish but DO be sure to show the COMPLETE conversations and BOTH sides of them, because I most certainly will! Just don't be like sean and LIE about making these reports, eh?
>
>
>
> > Now there is a record. A very good record of your lies and my having expressed myself repeatedly and asked you to stop.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> You cannot use the excuse of investigating Eckankar or any split off groups as an excuse, you have vocally agreed with sean far too many times to simply be trusted at your word when you claim to be an actual ECKist, I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's too bad.
>
> Then make a lie up about sending any data to Susan Miller! I'll be waiting.
I saw that you put the word follower in quotation marks after I used the word followers. The context:
> You cannot use the excuse of investigating Eckankar or any split off groups as an excuse, you have vocally agreed with sean far too many times to simply be trusted at your word when you claim to be an actual ECKist, I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's too bad.
>
> Then make a lie up about sending any data to Susan Miller! I'll be waiting.
"So here is something more to consider. Paul Twitchell was not alive to ask for the truth when my questions were asked. However, your questions about my membership card were addressed to someone living and a person who responded to you (ye of little faith) repeatedly that you were wrong. This type of feedback also happened last year with some earlier lies from you about myself and my friends. I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers. How plagiarism doesn't matter, how people have experiences with masters and continue to join Eckankar. In spite of all that you continue to repeat the same lies about me."
"[...] I then listened to you brag for months about how you belong to a LFN website and have so many followers. [... .]"
That was the context, Kinpa.
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Etznab
Jan 23, 2016, 10:19:16 AM1/23/16
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Etznab
Jan 23, 2016, 10:32:12 AM1/23/16
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"You know NOTHING! How do I know? Because you have failed to show ANY direct evidence repeatedly, it's quite simple. You are wholly unable to "correct" me because you need to first BE correct! You lose once again son!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/uHSdZQXyfAo/X1hOYhBrk7sJ
Personally I think it one of Kinpa's many lame excuses.
This is the part I asked Kinpa about:
"Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it!"
Kinpa asks me to pull my card out and look at it? Wants me to imagine that it says Oct., or 2014?
This is something very interesting, because it appears to suggest that Kinpa does, in fact, believe I have a card! And that - according to Kinpa - it was expired.
This was the lie where I drew the line and said I'm no longer speaking to him without and apology, etc.
Etznab
Jan 23, 2016, 10:48:41 AM1/23/16
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Then look at Kinpa's response. Including "[...] How I come by anything is not your business [... .]"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/uHSdZQXyfAo/nVVbyM--0bEJ
And my response to him then:
"Actually, how you come by false information and then defame me with it publicly ... that is my business, Kinpa."
The a.r.e. record will show that I questioned Kinpa's lies from the beginning when he literally started talking "shit" about me and my friends. And when he started writing lies about my membership card. I was relatively civil with my requests for clarification and could have acted a lot differently towards his many childish remarks, but for the most part I didn't. I didn't let him take me where he had taken others (where he and Sean had gone), but patiently asked and waited for Kinpa to explain himself.
It is not like I didn't personally express my case and ask Kinpa for an apology before I stopped "speaking to him" here at a.r.e. The action on my part of "not speaking to" Kinpa is further indication about his lies and how I fell about them.
There is, and always has been, a record about this. One that Kinpa will never be able to deny ... as these posts are repeated on other sites besides a.r.e.
Henosis Sage
Jan 24, 2016, 8:17:33 PM1/24/16
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Check out the POSTS DELETED from this thread ETZNAB ....
*twinkle*
Etznab
Jan 25, 2016, 8:28:16 PM1/25/16
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Etznab
Feb 2, 2016, 9:54:29 PM2/2/16
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Kinpa: "Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!"
Kinpa: "We are by NO means equal, I do not make false claims, and I have NEVER told you that I would prove to you that Rebazar DOES exist...that is a great example of you playing diversion, changing the subject because you aren't able to stand by your complete LACK of evidence for what you CLAIM to be true! Who am I to talk? I am an informed individual, you on the other hand only CLAIM to be! In my opinion the two are anything BUT equal! YOU are falling quite short on the scale of evidence"
Kinpa: "I have never defamed you, that is an empty claim that neither of you can actually prove...am I the only person to see a common thread here? You LOVE to CLAIM things that you cannot PROVE! And you expect others to simply believe you because you CLAIM to have some circumstantial evidence, evidence that at BEST relies completely on other evidence, which you also have been thus far unable to provide, as opposed to DIRECT evidence, the kind that is able stand alone! You ACT as if you have some, but you have yet to provide ANY actual direct evidence!"
Kinpa: "You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!"
"There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk... [...] Sean = LIAR! Richard = Liar! BOTH things are proven! Like it or lump it, which you do is really not my concern, however DO stop ranting and raving LIES and expecting anyone to believe a thing you say!"
Kinpa: "You have never done anything to deserve any respect, so do not even attempt to claim it is owed you when it simply is NOT! You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here!"
Etznab: "What I think could help is if you can rub two of your brain cells together and quiet the voices in your head long enough to actually hear what another person is saying to you.
"Ready?
"O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
"O.K. Do you got that?
"And regardless, a judge can easily look up the record and see that you were in the wrong, Kinpa.
"I said it once before and I'll say it again. Your head trips are your own. Keep them"
Kinpa: "You have yet to speak any truth. Your assertions that Twitchell's plagiarisms prove that ANY of the Masters are fictional, is simply not true. If it would, then why has no one ever brought it to trial? Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! THAT is the reason you refuse to show anything, but that isn't surprising, you NEVER show anything! Just as you have never proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your assertions are accurate OR true! You simply have NO such evidence! Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? On that you would once again be mistaken, and you have quite a history of speaking against the organization that you are demanding to be considered a member of! Trying to play both sides of it are we? Is that this famous double standard yet again? The only consistency you have ever had has been to be anti-Eckankar, and there are volumes of evidence to show that here already, but you feel free to follow two "masters" as Paul Twitchell used to say!"
Kinpa: "Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it!"
07/06/15
Kinpa: "What on earth are you waiting for? This is NOT the first time you have made this threat, so FOLLOW THROUGH! Stop threatening and write the letter or make the call! If you are serious then get a move on! How I come by anything is not your business and I will not share that information with you...now, try REAL hard to have a nice day!"
Kinpa: "I am aware of no rule of the head office concerning this, however, since you are now claiming this is the case, how can that be if the information was both wrong and a lie? As always, here you go, contradicting yourself and what you said in the previous paragraph.....if what I said was wrong, that alone would make it NOT information about a person's membership and thereby irrelevant whether as to office rules or in any legal context....so which is it? You cannot have it both ways...simple fact."
Etznab: "You already did share information. You claimed a number of things about my membership status and membership card."
Kinpa: "... How I come by anything is not your business and I will not share that information with you...now, try REAL hard to have a nice day! ... ."
Etznab: "Actually, how you come by false information and then defame me with it publicly ... that is my business, Kinpa."
Etznab: "Did you mistakenly remote view the information? Or make it up intentionally?"
Kinpa: "That is a claim you refuse to prove...IF what I said was false, then you wouldn't be commenting on it at all....now you've gone and contradicted your earlier statement....I find that a bit funny, because it certainly looks as if you are lying..."
Kinpa: "Not your business actually...."
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HI Etznab,
I thought was also incredibly funny ... I didn;t delete his posts, could have been Google, but it has all the signs that Kinpa deleted his own posts.
But why would he do that, let alone say the following?
" I didn't actually try to hide anything at all, so thanks for reposting,
I had planned on this! "
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Does that answer your question?
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Yes, perfectly. TY
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HI Etznab,
somewhere here there's several quotes by Kinpa where he says he will NEVER
delete any of his posts, as he has no reason to do so.
There's also many cases of him "making fun" of me for deleting some of my
posts here and him making up all kinds of delusional fantastical reasons
of why he thought that happened. All wrong of course.
It all gets way to weird almost every day where Kinpa is concerned.
What changed I wonder, because he's been a busy little beaver deleting posts,
and chat boards, and forums, and other materials all over the "interwebs" (sic)
Could it be that his word isn't worth the pixels it's written in and he suffers
from a severe debilitating case of "double standards" himself?
I think it is, I'm sure it is, it is! ;-)
.
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Also, I think it would be better if Kinpa actually did have some contact with the org., go to some Satsangs and take some classes, etc. instead of suggesting he doesn't need that stuff. I mean, it might help to clean up his filthy mouth and his lying tongue, etc.
I would be willing, as an Eckist and a person, to help him if but first he could stop the lying, the defamation and acting like a bully long enough for me to speak to him. However, I will not pamper and treat him like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum every time someone else gets more attention than him.
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OR, YOU could stop lying and defaming along with your counterpart. You are no ECKist, and wouldn't be even if you did have a card. Also, it is rather egotistical to say that I am reacting to not getting enough attention. The fact of the matter is, I have no need for attention. So then, why is it richard that you believe that you are seeing me in your "mirror" when it is only yourself that you are seeing? Don't bother speaking to me, I've come to rather prefer both of your illusion of "not responding."
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On Tuesday, 5 January 2016 03:37:09 UTC+11, Henosis Sage wrote:
> On Tuesday, 7 July 2015 05:12:09 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:46:55 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:16:29 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > Prove any of the above...
> > Not your business actually....
>
> RE KINPA-POO:
> "Not your business actually.... "
>
> As it's NOT your business if Etznab is a member of Eckankar or not.
>
> However, please do write ESC and ask for information about Etznab and
> if he is a current member if it is so important to you.
>
> Then again, you have said already on multiple ocassions that he defintiely is NOT and that he has LIED about it.
>
> That is DEFAMATION, INTIMIDATION, THREATENING, CYBER-STALKING AND HARASSMENT.
>
> It's criminal behaviour - it's illegal - and there are penalties for it.
>
> The evidence is every where on a.r.e. the last 16 MONTHS SINCE 5TH SEPT 2014.
>
> THAT EVIDENCE IS DOCUMENTED with ORIGINAL METADATA in original digital form.
>
> The extra effort at "manipulation and the double speak" are showing.
>
> Etznab, this is a KEEPER ***** Star post by Kinpa.
>
> cheers
>
>
> -----
>
>
> For example:
>
> Kinpa 06/09/2014 [Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT)]
>
> you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/ja1si8ZDI3g/27mjezPWCKwJ
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> you cant even say what YOU are trying to say very clearly, yet you keep trying and trying LOL...hilarious!, keep this going, please? it isnt easy to find this much fun for free!
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> you might want to run to the toilet, or youll make a mess in your pants!
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/sDcAqlSOGqE/17PgdOEI_HsJ
>
>
> Kinpa 06/09/2014 [[ Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:14:29 -0700 (PDT) ]
>
> then why don't you sue them and be done with it???
>
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> awwww look at you, trying SO hard to make people angry and utterly failing...i know every single bit of the story, its quite an old one you silly man...but the fact of the matter is that most people just arent as concerned as you are with it....is that weight getting heavy yet? how is your back doing?? Father's day has been over for months...i see BOTH of my sons on Father's day ;) i am a blessed individual~!
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> are your bowels giving you trouble tonite? you seem to have fallen quiet...oh well...myself, i dont personally care what you believe, that is entirely up to you, however, you seriously have NO evidence, [...] lol....nice try i suppose, but still, no cigar...try again perhaps?
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/rr3NQe7gdl8J
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> you messed in your pants peetee LOL, on anything other than the physical planes, my sons are always with me you silly man...you may not believe what you are told, but you also arent so good at getting the information directly on the inner either are you? i dont have that trouble ;) anyhow, you were warned...im still waiting to see the proof you have of Masters that dont exist peetee boy! bring it if youve got it!
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/IgB7-iin3OQJ
>
>
> FOLLOWING COMMENTS WERE POSTED FROM THE PROPERTY OF LONI HAAS IN GEORGIA
> USING HER INTERNET ACCESS
>
> Kinpa 24/09/2014
>
> oh DO stop whining! lol who honestly cares??? NO ONE! deal with it man! who cares what so and so called it then and what so and so calls it now? the most hilarious thing is that none of the people you are criticizing will ever see your words nor ever care to waste the time responding [..]
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4P_4RUwnFy8/-nnfiPzvyAYJ
>
>
>
> Kinpa 24/09/2014
>
> ....it is obvious that you yourself have never encountered any of these, and i am not judging you over that, however, it is still quite biased to state evidences of plagiarism and then assume without any further evidence that that somehow proves someone is purely fictional. thing simply dont work that way, but of course you may certainly choose the view you would like to have, i doubt that anyone would tell you that you couldn't, however, do not place assumptions in a spot where a truth belongs, even if you are unable to discover what that truth might be. doing so only shows a fault in your ability to investigate these things.
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PICK4f52ZSo/dcCN4YfQJ5gJ
>
>
> Kinpa 14/10/2014 [BACK HOME BY LAKE HURON]
>
> and...so what?? i fail to see how anything is as big a deal as you always claim it to be lol, but you ARE entitled to your own opinion...enjoy that! for all the good (or lack thereof)it will do you! :D
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BdLTTItzUOk/EE8YyfSPMU4J
>
>
> Kinpa-Poo loves to self-promote his presumptuous "talents" here.
>
> Something happened between his FIRST series of posts in early Sept to his
> posting from LONI's home on the 24th Sept.
>
> That was registered and noted. I carried on, business as usual.
>
> Kinpa-Poo returned in full on attack / intimidation mode in early December 2014
> as the "front man".
>
> PS
>
> SEPT 7th 2014 Kinpa-Poo said:
>
> what of it? i personally just dont care much about any of it....
>
> how about YOU prove to ME and the rest of the world that they were in fact %100 made up by Paul Twitchell?? can you do that?? i dont actually care....
>
> ....i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called
> "fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from
> changing names in his writings (or plagiarisms, however you see it) and yet
> people who happen to be wide awake see and speak to them.
>
> ...if it makes you feel better, feel free to decide that each of these persons
> is obviously perhaps a bit mentally challenged, or even "crazy", it makes no
> difference to me, but honestly, do you REALLY need attention THIS bad? you seem
> to be one particularly squeeky wheel over here, for whatever reason.
>
> ..it IS your time and energy, so far be it from me to tell you how to or how
> not to spend them, i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five,
> because it amuses me to do so....enjoy the rest of your day regardless~!
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/K2x2VFyXg0IJ
>
>
> 16 Months later, Kinpa-Poo is still amused and still going "hard" and still
> DOES NOT CARE.
>
> <smiling>
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> On Tuesday, 7 July 2015 05:12:09 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:46:55 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:16:29 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 1:22:12 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 10:09:23 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 5, 2015 at 1:51:51 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:44:34 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 10:09:23 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 5, 2015 at 1:51:51 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:44:34 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 5, 2015 at 12:23:56 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:58:01 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 9:16:21 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:10:46 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
> > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are by NO means equal,I do not make false claims, and I have NEVER told you that I would prove to you that Rebazar DOES exist...that is a great example of you playing diversion, changing the subject because you aren't able to stand by your complete LACK of evidence for what you CLAIM to be true! Who am I to talk? I am an informed individual, you on the other hand only CLAIM to be! In my opinion the two are anything BUT equal! YOU are falling quite short on the scale of evidence
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ***
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
> > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > > > > I have never defamed you, that is an empty claim that neither of you can actually prove...am I the only person to see a common thread here? You LOVE to CLAIM things that you cannot PROVE! And you expect others to simply believe you because you CLAIM to have some circumstantial evidence, evidence that at BEST relies completely on other evidence, which you also have been thus far unable to provide, as opposed to DIRECT evidence, the kind that is able stand alone! You ACT as if you have some, but you have yet to provide ANY actual direct evidence!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You can consider yourself proven a liar just as sean has proven over and over again that he is a liar and a plagiarist! Which of you is bringing a suit in a court of law? Oh yes, NEITHER of you! Why? For the simple fact that you have NO grounds upon which to sue me! Precedent does NOT favor seanie in the way that he imagines it does! If he disagrees he can go and actually hire an attorney and file suit....as can YOU! I have been waiting for quite some time now, and neither of you has filed suit, but I shouldn't be surprised, since seanie LIED about suing "Gloria" for making public his threat of raping her! That is also a 100% LIE! If that had actually been done, there would be court records available to show that, and there are NONE! Sean = LIAR! Richard = Liar! BOTH things are proven! Like it or lump it, which you do is really not my concern, however DO stop ranting and raving LIES and expecting anyone to believe a thing you say!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Here's the thing. You have written other things about me (and Sean) that I know are not true. I (and Sean) told you they were not true, but then you showed no respect.
> > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That is another claim that you say is untrue, but I notice that all you have is the claim...if you refuse to admit it, it didn't happen, right? We both know that that is NOT true! You have never done anything to deserve any respect, so do not even attempt to claim it is owed you when it simply is NOT! You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:58:01 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 9:16:21 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:10:46 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. [... .]"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Ideological
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, quite like your actions at ARE for the past several years, claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove, and claiming to be an ECKist and yet having no current card....if you'd like to scan a copy of your card and post it here, I would be willing to withdraw that statement, but I think it goes quite a way in proving that YOU have been purposely deceiving others, if not flat out lying...you and your chum have quite a record of this here, although he has again taken to deleting his posts...that makes one wonder what it is he is so afraid anyone will see LOL...and you are not much different, having jumped headlong into the same furrow that he has been stuck in for years! You two enjoy that!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "... claiming to have proof of things you cannot prove ... ."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe you have proven that Rebazar Tarzs is real. So, like, Who are you to talk? We are equal here.
> > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are by NO means equal,I do not make false claims, and I have NEVER told you that I would prove to you that Rebazar DOES exist...that is a great example of you playing diversion, changing the subject because you aren't able to stand by your complete LACK of evidence for what you CLAIM to be true! Who am I to talk? I am an informed individual, you on the other hand only CLAIM to be! In my opinion the two are anything BUT equal! YOU are falling quite short on the scale of evidence
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ***
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > About Eckankar membership, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "... I would be willing to withdraw that statement ... ."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Are you telling me that a membership card really matters to you? Because, like, Haven't you already defamed me and my membership? And didn't you already do that after I told you I was a member?
> > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > > > > I have never defamed you, that is an empty claim that neither of you can actually prove...am I the only person to see a common thread here? You LOVE to CLAIM things that you cannot PROVE! And you expect others to simply believe you because you CLAIM to have some circumstantial evidence, evidence that at BEST relies completely on other evidence, which you also have been thus far unable to provide, as opposed to DIRECT evidence, the kind that is able stand alone! You ACT as if you have some, but you have yet to provide ANY actual direct evidence!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You have told me you were a member, but that IS a lie, that is the simple fact of the matter, you are NOT a current member of Eckankar, therefore you are most certainly NOT an ECKist by ANY standards! You speak as if you expect that making the CLAIM of being an ECKist has ANY value, however it does not! Yes the card DOES matter! If you were a member and can prove tat, as I said I will retract those words, but you have never proven that, so it is only a CLAIM that is 100% without evidence!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You can consider yourself proven a liar just as sean has proven over and over again that he is a liar and a plagiarist! Which of you is bringing a suit in a court of law? Oh yes, NEITHER of you! Why? For the simple fact that you have NO grounds upon which to sue me! Precedent does NOT favor seanie in the way that he imagines it does! If he disagrees he can go and actually hire an attorney and file suit....as can YOU! I have been waiting for quite some time now, and neither of you has filed suit, but I shouldn't be surprised, since seanie LIED about suing "Gloria" for making public his threat of raping her! That is also a 100% LIE! If that had actually been done, there would be court records available to show that, and there are NONE! Sean = LIAR! Richard = Liar! BOTH things are proven! Like it or lump it, which you do is really not my concern, however DO stop ranting and raving LIES and expecting anyone to believe a thing you say!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Here's the thing. You have written other things about me (and Sean) that I know are not true. I (and Sean) told you they were not true, but then you showed no respect.
> > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That is another claim that you say is untrue, but I notice that all you have is the claim...if you refuse to admit it, it didn't happen, right? We both know that that is NOT true! You have never done anything to deserve any respect, so do not even attempt to claim it is owed you when it simply is NOT! You said the other day that you were going to "bring me down," well, start bringing then! Make good on your threats for once in your life, and invite your bud to do the same! I will still be waiting, right here!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "... There can be NO defamation unless you can prove that what I said was untrue! Put up, or shut up! Prove it or stop claiming it! This is very easy to put to an end, PROVE ME WRONG! Otherwise you have NO defamation case, and neither does sean....all talk...no walk... ."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I already know the truth and I told you the truth, but you don't believe it. So your action is intentional.
> > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > You know NOTHING! How do I know? Because you have failed to show ANY direct evidence repeatedly, it's quite simple. You are wholly unable to "correct" me because you need to first BE correct! You lose once again son!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Prejudiced you are?
> > > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > > Not at all, but you are, not to mention deluded into thinking you have direct evidence when you do not!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Telling lies about people even after they repeatedly try to correct you. This shows intent to defame on your part.
> > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > Prove that in court, you are unable to correct me because you have NO evidence that what you claim is correct to begin with! LOL Hilarious! Call an attorney son! See you in court! Bring sean with you will you? You both have consistently failed to prove ANYTHING! Not MY problem, that one is ALL yours! Enjoy that LOL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The hubris is amazing, after failing to show ANY, not even one percent of direct evidence, you are STILL deluded enough to think that your OPINIONS are evidence! They are not, and there is no defamation on my part....why don't we allow a judge to decide if I have shown intent to defame! You know NOTHING of the law or how it actually works in court, and your friend appears not to know anything about it either! I shall await you BOTH in court! Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!" And thank you once again for providing me with the largest laugh I have had for days!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "... why don't we allow a judge to decide if I have shown intent to defame! ... ."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I already know the truth and I told you the truth, but you don't believe it. So your action is intentional.
> > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > You know NOTHING! How do I know? Because you have failed to show ANY direct evidence repeatedly, it's quite simple. You are wholly unable to "correct" me because you need to first BE correct! You lose once again son!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Prejudiced you are?
> > > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > > Not at all, but you are, not to mention deluded into thinking you have direct evidence when you do not!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Telling lies about people even after they repeatedly try to correct you. This shows intent to defame on your part.
> > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > Prove that in court, you are unable to correct me because you have NO evidence that what you claim is correct to begin with! LOL Hilarious! Call an attorney son! See you in court! Bring sean with you will you? You both have consistently failed to prove ANYTHING! Not MY problem, that one is ALL yours! Enjoy that LOL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The hubris is amazing, after failing to show ANY, not even one percent of direct evidence, you are STILL deluded enough to think that your OPINIONS are evidence! They are not, and there is no defamation on my part....why don't we allow a judge to decide if I have shown intent to defame! You know NOTHING of the law or how it actually works in court, and your friend appears not to know anything about it either! I shall await you BOTH in court! Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!" And thank you once again for providing me with the largest laugh I have had for days!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "... why don't we allow a judge to decide if I have shown intent to defame! ... ."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I think could help is if you can rub two of your brain cells together and quiet the voices in your head long enough to actually hear what another person is saying to you.
> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What was that? Defaming me by saying I hear voices in my head? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Of course you don't. One would think that after the great many mistakes you have made you would speak more carefully, however I have yet to see that happen...again, let me repeat,why don't we have a judge look at it and determine who has done what? Your opinions will not add up the way you believe they will, so why not try it? put your money where your mouth is! I notice you ignore my asking you to show me any direct evidence so I'll quote it to make it easier to see what I said: 'Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!"'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been waiting for years to see any...you have never shown any...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What was that? Defaming me by saying I hear voices in my head? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Of course you don't. One would think that after the great many mistakes you have made you would speak more carefully, however I have yet to see that happen...again, let me repeat,why don't we have a judge look at it and determine who has done what? Your opinions will not add up the way you believe they will, so why not try it? put your money where your mouth is! I notice you ignore my asking you to show me any direct evidence so I'll quote it to make it easier to see what I said: 'Be sure to show up and bring ALL of your "evidence!"'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been waiting for years to see any...you have never shown any...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ready?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > O.K. Here goes. I am a current member of Eckankar and have been for decades now already. I know what my membership card says and it matters not that I get your approval to speak the truth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You have yet to speak any truth. Your assertions that Twitchell's plagiarisms prove that ANY of the Masters are fictional, is simply not true. If it would, then why has no one ever brought it to trial? Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! THAT is the reason you refuse to show anything, but that isn't surprising, you NEVER show anything! Just as you have never proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your assertions are accurate OR true! You simply have NO such evidence! Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? On that you would once again be mistaken, and you have quite a history of speaking against the organization that you are demanding to be considered a member of! Trying to play both sides of it are we? Is that this famous double standard yet again? The only consistency you have ever had has been to be anti-Eckankar, and there are volumes of evidence to show that here already, but you feel free to follow two "masters" as Paul Twitchell used to say!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You have yet to speak any truth. Your assertions that Twitchell's plagiarisms prove that ANY of the Masters are fictional, is simply not true. If it would, then why has no one ever brought it to trial? Your being an "ECKist" is also untrue...you pay sometimes, and you let it lapse, and then you come here and are anything BUT an ECKist...you do NOT have a current card! THAT is the reason you refuse to show anything, but that isn't surprising, you NEVER show anything! Just as you have never proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your assertions are accurate OR true! You simply have NO such evidence! Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? On that you would once again be mistaken, and you have quite a history of speaking against the organization that you are demanding to be considered a member of! Trying to play both sides of it are we? Is that this famous double standard yet again? The only consistency you have ever had has been to be anti-Eckankar, and there are volumes of evidence to show that here already, but you feel free to follow two "masters" as Paul Twitchell used to say!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oct./2014 is not exactly current Mr. McLintock, feel free to deny it and claim I am crazy, your habits are well known, but that cannot change the fact that you KNOW this is true, pull your card out and look at it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > O.K. Do you got that?
> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > You have said nothing of worth as of yet....still waiting young man...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You have said nothing of worth as of yet....still waiting young man...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And regardless, a judge can easily look up the record and see that you were in the wrong, Kinpa.
> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is where your mistaken logic leads you astray again,first of all you're assuming that I am wrong, legally speaking, secondly, a judge can't be bothered to look at ANY of this unless someone files suit! I have absolutely NO trouble standing by my words in front of a judge...how about you? Ready? Believing that this or that will constitute proof in a court is one thing, having any worthwhile evidence that a court will consider is quite another and you appear to be unable to know the difference between the two.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I said it once before and I'll say it again. Your head trips are your own. Keep them.
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What "head trips"? I have none, I see only you claiming that i do...and completely (as is usual for you) without evidence to support what you claim! Anytime you are serious, feel free to bring it, otherwise, you fall into the same category, one who claims tings they have absolutely no evidence of, but who is deluded enough to still believe they have any!
> > > > >
> > > > > "... Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? ... ."
> > > > >
> > > > > I can quote your statements and claims about my card and status. Then I will ask if you had accomplices at the head office and whether the false information was made by you alone. For example, I can ask who gave you information about my membership. And false information at that! Or did you mistakenly remote view it and get the information wrong that way?
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is where your mistaken logic leads you astray again,first of all you're assuming that I am wrong, legally speaking, secondly, a judge can't be bothered to look at ANY of this unless someone files suit! I have absolutely NO trouble standing by my words in front of a judge...how about you? Ready? Believing that this or that will constitute proof in a court is one thing, having any worthwhile evidence that a court will consider is quite another and you appear to be unable to know the difference between the two.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I said it once before and I'll say it again. Your head trips are your own. Keep them.
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What "head trips"? I have none, I see only you claiming that i do...and completely (as is usual for you) without evidence to support what you claim! Anytime you are serious, feel free to bring it, otherwise, you fall into the same category, one who claims tings they have absolutely no evidence of, but who is deluded enough to still believe they have any!
> > > > >
> > > > > "... Do you somehow believe that no one from the head office ever looks over here? ... ."
> > > > >
> > > > > I can quote your statements and claims about my card and status. Then I will ask if you had accomplices at the head office and whether the false information was made by you alone. For example, I can ask who gave you information about my membership. And false information at that! Or did you mistakenly remote view it and get the information wrong that way?
> > > > Prove any of the above...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Also, I didn't know that information about a person's membership was something the head office condoned posting on a public discussion board. I can ask them, but I think it was you who made the false claims. And so much detail you claimed to know about my membership. How did you come by that information? I am serious about this.
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Also, I didn't know that information about a person's membership was something the head office condoned posting on a public discussion board. I can ask them, but I think it was you who made the false claims. And so much detail you claimed to know about my membership. How did you come by that information? I am serious about this.
> > > > I am aware of no rule of the head office concerning this, however, since you are now claiming this is the case, how can that be if the information was both wrong and a lie? As always, here you go, contradicting yourself and what you said in the previous paragraph.....if what I said was wrong, that alone would make it NOT information about a person's membership and thereby irrelevant whether as to office rules or in any legal context....so which is it? You cannot have it both ways...simple fact.
> > >
> > >
> > > Did you mistakenly remote view the information? Or make it up intentionally?
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Not your business actually....
>
> RE KINPA-POO:
> "Not your business actually.... "
>
> As it's NOT your business if Etznab is a member of Eckankar or not.
>
> However, please do write ESC and ask for information about Etznab and
> if he is a current member if it is so important to you.
>
> Then again, you have said already on multiple ocassions that he defintiely is NOT and that he has LIED about it.
>
> That is DEFAMATION, INTIMIDATION, THREATENING, CYBER-STALKING AND HARASSMENT.
>
> It's criminal behaviour - it's illegal - and there are penalties for it.
>
> The evidence is every where on a.r.e. the last 16 MONTHS SINCE 5TH SEPT 2014.
>
> THAT EVIDENCE IS DOCUMENTED with ORIGINAL METADATA in original digital form.
>
> The extra effort at "manipulation and the double speak" are showing.
>
> Etznab, this is a KEEPER ***** Star post by Kinpa.
>
> cheers
>
>
> -----
>
>
> For example:
>
> Kinpa 06/09/2014 [Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT)]
>
> you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/ja1si8ZDI3g/27mjezPWCKwJ
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> you cant even say what YOU are trying to say very clearly, yet you keep trying and trying LOL...hilarious!, keep this going, please? it isnt easy to find this much fun for free!
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> you might want to run to the toilet, or youll make a mess in your pants!
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/sDcAqlSOGqE/17PgdOEI_HsJ
>
>
> Kinpa 06/09/2014 [[ Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:14:29 -0700 (PDT) ]
>
> then why don't you sue them and be done with it???
>
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> awwww look at you, trying SO hard to make people angry and utterly failing...i know every single bit of the story, its quite an old one you silly man...but the fact of the matter is that most people just arent as concerned as you are with it....is that weight getting heavy yet? how is your back doing?? Father's day has been over for months...i see BOTH of my sons on Father's day ;) i am a blessed individual~!
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> are your bowels giving you trouble tonite? you seem to have fallen quiet...oh well...myself, i dont personally care what you believe, that is entirely up to you, however, you seriously have NO evidence, [...] lol....nice try i suppose, but still, no cigar...try again perhaps?
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/rr3NQe7gdl8J
>
> Kinpa 07/09/2014
>
> you messed in your pants peetee LOL, on anything other than the physical planes, my sons are always with me you silly man...you may not believe what you are told, but you also arent so good at getting the information directly on the inner either are you? i dont have that trouble ;) anyhow, you were warned...im still waiting to see the proof you have of Masters that dont exist peetee boy! bring it if youve got it!
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/IgB7-iin3OQJ
>
>
> FOLLOWING COMMENTS WERE POSTED FROM THE PROPERTY OF LONI HAAS IN GEORGIA
> USING HER INTERNET ACCESS
>
> Kinpa 24/09/2014
>
> oh DO stop whining! lol who honestly cares??? NO ONE! deal with it man! who cares what so and so called it then and what so and so calls it now? the most hilarious thing is that none of the people you are criticizing will ever see your words nor ever care to waste the time responding [..]
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4P_4RUwnFy8/-nnfiPzvyAYJ
>
>
>
> Kinpa 24/09/2014
>
> ....it is obvious that you yourself have never encountered any of these, and i am not judging you over that, however, it is still quite biased to state evidences of plagiarism and then assume without any further evidence that that somehow proves someone is purely fictional. thing simply dont work that way, but of course you may certainly choose the view you would like to have, i doubt that anyone would tell you that you couldn't, however, do not place assumptions in a spot where a truth belongs, even if you are unable to discover what that truth might be. doing so only shows a fault in your ability to investigate these things.
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PICK4f52ZSo/dcCN4YfQJ5gJ
>
>
> Kinpa 14/10/2014 [BACK HOME BY LAKE HURON]
>
> and...so what?? i fail to see how anything is as big a deal as you always claim it to be lol, but you ARE entitled to your own opinion...enjoy that! for all the good (or lack thereof)it will do you! :D
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BdLTTItzUOk/EE8YyfSPMU4J
>
>
> Kinpa-Poo loves to self-promote his presumptuous "talents" here.
>
> Something happened between his FIRST series of posts in early Sept to his
> posting from LONI's home on the 24th Sept.
>
> That was registered and noted. I carried on, business as usual.
>
> Kinpa-Poo returned in full on attack / intimidation mode in early December 2014
> as the "front man".
>
> PS
>
> SEPT 7th 2014 Kinpa-Poo said:
>
> what of it? i personally just dont care much about any of it....
>
> how about YOU prove to ME and the rest of the world that they were in fact %100 made up by Paul Twitchell?? can you do that?? i dont actually care....
>
> ....i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called
> "fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from
> changing names in his writings (or plagiarisms, however you see it) and yet
> people who happen to be wide awake see and speak to them.
>
> ...if it makes you feel better, feel free to decide that each of these persons
> is obviously perhaps a bit mentally challenged, or even "crazy", it makes no
> difference to me, but honestly, do you REALLY need attention THIS bad? you seem
> to be one particularly squeeky wheel over here, for whatever reason.
>
> ..it IS your time and energy, so far be it from me to tell you how to or how
> not to spend them, i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five,
> because it amuses me to do so....enjoy the rest of your day regardless~!
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/K2x2VFyXg0IJ
>
>
> 16 Months later, Kinpa-Poo is still amused and still going "hard" and still
> DOES NOT CARE.
>
> <smiling>
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