2013-11-14 The whole Eckankar experience ruined my family

[Peetee Aitchei]

The whole Eckankar experience ruined my family. We have not healed from the damage this group caused us in the seventies.

I am amazed these con men have gone on as long as they have. I saw an ad for Eckankar on the television the other week. It totally made me sad.

By Mirlynchong

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous/conversations/topics/6805


An tiny extract from a new book being released in 2015

"Letters to Harold - The ECK Stories never told at an Eckankar Seminar"

Keep an eye out for it after Easter on Amazon.com and Lulu.com and Scribd.com

Peace!

[Kinpa]

it is hilarious how many choose to never take responsibility for thier own actions, such as a family falling apart...always the victim? doubtful....making such a claim is the same as admitting that one has NO control over their own life and are nothing more than a puppet in the world, and if that is the case no one is to blame for it other than the individual...

[Peetee Aitchei]

And no murderer is to blame either.
No bank robber should ever be held to account, it's the banks fault for being irresponsible.
Bernie Madoff should never have been sent to jail, it was his victims fault.
The murdered dead person and those ripped off should have taken responsibility in Kinpa's World.

Children sexually abused by priests or parents manipulated by Eckankar HI
nutcases, just like your grandmother, have no control over their own life.

Read it again. You're the only puppet here. And still an idiot.

[Kinpa]

i beg to differ.... you are not nearly as smart as you pretend to be, and right back to the name calling again eh? no maturity in your case obviously....and no one is a murderer either, stop posting your delusional musings. YOU are still a slave, bound not only by your prejudices to Eckankar, but also by your lack of mental capability....sad...but all of it is your choice after all...

[Peetee Aitchei]

Who is pretending to be smart? Not me, as there is no need to.

RE: "YOU are still a slave" ... THREE Fingers right back at ya.

[Kinpa]

i did not point, so that is yet another ASSUMPTION that is entirely wrong! good job! NOT! LOL one who is not a slave and yet blames someone else for THEIR family falling apart? HILARIOUS! it never ends...

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Sunday, 4 January 2015 03:47:27 UTC+11, Kinpa wrote:


RE "I did not point"


Things are pretty bad then.

[Kinpa]

only in your imagination....keep dreaming LOL...note how i was able to walk away thus disproving your claim that i was a slave, or was drowning....people that are free can make such choices....see if you can accomplish that, and if not, then you ARE a slave to Eckankar lol

[Peetee Aitchei]

The thing about delusions is that they seem so very very real.

[Kinpa]

you would know Sean....as i said, enjoy those...

[Kinpa]

Eckankar did nothing to your family, but you did! now, DEAL WITH WHAT YOU HAVE CREATED~! stop trying to blame others for what YOU have done! smh....

[Henosis Sage]

The whole Eckankar experience ruined my family. By Mirlynchong

So now Kinpa the Brainless believes I am a woman, and my name is Mirlynchong.

You are an IDIOT

[Kinpa]

no Sean, YOU are lol, and STILL amusing, thank you for proving me right about your addiction LOL

[Henosis Sage]

Well that's interesting. Why would you say that to me?

[Kinpa]

Because it is the truth, and you have proven the fact that you are addicted not only to Eckankar, but to ARE as well, its very simple...

[Henosis Sage]

That's interesting, please tell me more.

[Kinpa]

No, you are a bore.

[Henosis Sage]

Interesting opinion. Why would you say that after spending days and hours writing post here about me? That does not make logical sense, please explain.

Comcast Phone Landline
108-849-0382 ... can you work that out or not?

Give ur elderly Marie a big hug for me.

Moving to some obscure outpost in Mexico, could be your best option for a decent future. That's what the Mahanta told me to tell you, on his behalf, as he said you had not been listening for years now.

[Kinpa]

What is this nonsense? Not my phone number, and in fact, one not even in the same state as me...and who is elderly Marie???

[Henosis Sage]

ROTFLMAO ... oh precious. not ur phone number, it is in a different state, DOH, oh boy.... do you have home help to dress yourself too? Because you sure can't think for yourself, that is clear. Man, you are totally gone, as in right over the edge, lost it, gone!

[Kinpa]

On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 11:12:25 AM UTC-5, Henosis Sage wrote:
> ROTFLMAO ... oh precious. not ur phone number, it is in a different state, DOH, oh boy.... do you have home help to dress yourself too? Because you sure can't think for yourself, that is clear. Man, you are totally gone, as in right over the edge, lost it, gone!

Not at all! You silly man, CALL that number, and ask the names of those who live in that house! LMAO! HILARIOUS! Neither of my grandmother's is named Marie....but you ARE a criminal so it is well known that you are active with many illegal pursuits...it is too bad that finding a person or their family members isn't one of those! How is that ringing in your ears treating you Sean???

[Henosis Sage]

RE "Neither of my grandmother's is named Marie." Never claimed it was.

RE "CALL that number" or should I called the decoded number with the same numbers in the RIGHT ORDER mate?

RE "...but you ARE a criminal so it is well known that you are active with many illegal pursuits..."

That's interesting, why would you be saying that about me Matthew?

[Kinpa]

Call anytime! I've been waiting....test your theory!

[Henosis Sage]

Who said I wanted to call you or speak with you?

Why are you "waiting" for a telephone call then?

RE: "....test your theory!"

Is that order Mien Fuhrer?

Do you have any other orders for me Matthew Sharpe, MI, USA,
a current member of ECKANKAR known as KINPA with an email
address listed as tsharpe AT yahoo dot com ?

[Kinpa]

Why do you ask? no one uses THAT email, haven't for years actually....you have a LOT of outdated info, and NONE of the phone numbers are correct at all, whether "in code" or not, the same for that woman who's number you claimed to have posted. As always, completely hilarious that your 58 year old ass acts like a kindergartener! LOL buh-bye sean!

[Henosis Sage]

RE: "no one uses THAT email, haven't for years actually....you have a LOT of outdated info"

You are still using it every time you post to Google.

But, email addresses added to your metadata are not required for Google or the authorities to know who you are, from where you're posting, what ISP you use, what your current address is, and all that Jazz.

I am not 58 btw.

RE: "buh-bye sean!"

Are you leaving us? So soon, so sad!

[Henosis Sage]

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Remember there really are victims of abuses of power and unethical conduct.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JjM1TNIcPIw/t9VcyNF1DdQJ


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[Henosis Sage]

On Thursday, 1 January 2015 14:23:33 UTC+11, Henosis Sage wrote:
> The whole Eckankar experience ruined my family. We have not healed from the damage this group caused us in the seventies.
>
> I am amazed these con men have gone on as long as they have. I saw an ad for Eckankar on the television the other week. It totally made me sad.
>
> By Mirlynchong
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous/conversations/topics/6805
>
>
> An tiny extract from a new book being released in 2015
>
> "Letters to Harold - The ECK Stories never told at an Eckankar Seminar"
>
> Keep an eye out for it after Easter on Amazon.com and Lulu.com and Scribd.com
>
> Peace!

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2013-11-14 The whole Eckankar experience ruined my family


---In eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@ <mirlynchong@...> wrote:

hello. I have been reading texts for awhile. I don't know if I qualify for
this group, but allow me to relate my story and allow the group to decide.

My mother was a free spirit in the sixties and it was quite a tumultuous time
to be her child. we spent a good deal of time with the Krishna Consciousness
group until mom found this amazing new path around 1976. she called it eckankar.

Gone were the posters of Krishna and Ganapati. In their place was photos of
Paul Twitchell and Darwin Gross. Mom and her husband kept talking about the
Mahanta and pressed me to read the tigers fang in the second grade. [7 years old]

I was supposed to chant "hu" although no one explained why. They bought into
some vitamin program called sun a su [Gail Twitchell's business] that the
organization supported.

Both mom and her ex rambled on about Rebazar Tarzs and Paul Twitchell a lot.
It was quite confusing to me. When my mother got into Eck really seriously,
she connected with other members in the area.

They would talk for hours and it totally made no sense to me. Mom and her
husband started hitting all the local seminars and became very enmeshed in
the Eckankar of the mid seventies and I learned to hate Darwin Gross.

At the point that they were at their most active with Eckankar, my
grandparents became concerned. They began to ask questions and wanted sincere
answers. My mom only gave platitudes. this was around the time of Jim Jones
and Jonestown, so my grandparents were extremely concerned.

They asked me a myriad of questions and I could really answer very little. As
soon as my grandparents began to intervene, my mother and her ex consulted and
older member of eck. [High Initiate / RESA / ESA / local Satsang Director? ]

She told them that I had been VERY EVIL in a past life and had to burn off a
lot of Karma. She made it clear I was LESS THAN GOOD.

My younger brother became an Eckankar prodigy. He even sat on Gross's lap and
sang him a song at one conference. I was TOTALLY EXCLUDED from anything ECK
oriented from that point on.

Mother and her husband became secretive and kept to themselves.

I was not permitted to read anything ECK or listen to their recordings of
their leaders. They eventually GAVE UP LEGAL CUSTODY OF ME to my grandparents
and I had little to do with them until Harold Klemp took over. That is when THEY LEFT ECK.

My AUNT is still firmly involved in Eckankar, and my family has NEVER HEALED
from the years of dealing with these SHAMS AND FALSE PROPHETS.

I became OSTRACIZED because they couldn't escape my grandparents inquiries.

I have read the books my mother held so dear. Tigers Fang and Letters to Gail
come to mind.

The whole ECKANAKR EXPERIENCE RUINED MY FAMILY. We have not healed from the DAMAGE THIS GROUP caused us in the seventies.

I am amazed these CON MEN have gone on as long as they have.

I saw an AD for ECKANKAR on the television the other week. It totally made me sad.

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Hi mirlynchong

I too was brought into the teachings in the 70's (around 1972ish)... I was 12 almost 13 when I was exposed to this cult by my mother.

This is the first time I have read from ESA in many years! I am not fond of the new yahoo groups format either! ;)

My story can be found littered throughout the years in this ESA group... I don't care to elaborate on it here, other than, I believe there are many "mentally challenged" people that are or have been members / leaders of Eckankrap... I have been scanning some of the most recent posts here, and have to laugh about the Sept 2013 Wisdom Notes (is it still called that?)

There are far more individuals in this teaching that gravitate to it, because it explains the reasons behind some of their delusional experiences... I met many who are paranoid schizophrenics (I think a couple close family members of mine are!)

I left this path a little over 10 years ago... was a 6th, ESA, and Clergy... omg :)

I will share, that I probably stayed longer in the teachings DUE TO THE FEAR OF KARMIC Eckankrap HELL, and being DISOWNED BY MY MOTHER that is / was EXTREMELY ABUSIVE.

Add delusional and higher than thou in the mix (a few mental illnesses thrown in there didn't help her). I mean come on... you really have to be slightly off, to actually believe and swallow most of this teaching's nonsense!

What happened to you mirlynchong is classic Eckankrap!

If you don't follow along like a sheeple, you will BECOME AN OUTCAST!

Luckily for you, your grandparents were wise enough in getting you the heck out of that mess...

The problem with this teaching, and has always been (whether Klemp admits it or not)... they WILL AND DO ISOLATE YOU FROM YOUR FAMILY and FRIENDS...

they DO brainwash the members into thinking it is better to distance (disown) your family members / friends who are not sheeple within the teachings...

for most people with common sense, you can SEE THE DAMAGE this does to an individual!

Hopefully those who have experienced this cult, and have left, are / were the strong ones, who had their own inner and outer awareness not dictated by fake masters... those ex members who are now following their own path... and not following someone who suffers from narcissism / megalomania / paranoid schizophrenia and a pathological liar! :)

~ LIZ

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous/conversations/topics/6805

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February 4th 2014

I was a child of the seventies era eck. (sort of)

Hello,

I have been a member of this group for awhile and didn't really know if my
story would be welcome, but today, I thought I would try.

I was born in 1969 to a woman who made it her life's profession to "Find herself".

First was the commune, which is a fine place to be a kid. Then came Krishna
Consciousness and a move to New Vrindaban in West Virginia. It was an okay
place to be a child.

When enlightenment wasn't achieved in nine months I found myself in a christian
cult in NE Ohio. It was extremely rigid and "spare the rod and spoil the child"
was written on the Sunday school classroom wall, and they actually did use
rods.

Even my grandparents were in this cult, and I was of an age to be easily
brainwashed, so I bought it hook,line, and sinker. I was in the lord's army.

We remained in this cult until 1977, when mom discovered this awesome new
"spiritual" path, and it was called Eckankar. I came home from school one day
and gone were the pictures of christ suffering on the cross, replaced by photos
of two men in blue button down shirts and paintings of strange people whose
names I would soon have to recite.

My mother and her husband became totally SATURATED IN ECK. It was all they
talked about all day and everyday. They would attend meetings with higher up
people in Cleveland several times a month, and come home feeling light and
inspired.

The only books in the house were ECK publications. Tigers Fang and Letters to
Gail are the only two I remember, because, even though I was only in the second
grade, my mother demanded I read them.

They made no sense, and that, the mandatory meditation and chanting of HU for
hours and the constant lectures on soul travel had me pretty well fed up.

I rebelled and began to act out in the only way I knew how-by quoting scripture
and singing the hymns of the previous [Christian] Cult.

Being still brainwashed by the christians, my little head just couldn't be
reprogrammed as fast as an adult can switch paths.

Mother talked to the more enlightened higher up ECKISTs IN CLEVELAND and one
volunteered to talk to me supposedly THROUGH SOUL TRAVEL.

When she got back, she informed my mother I had had many rough incarnations
and I was A DAMAGED SOUL, and SUGGESTED that my mother give CUSTODY OF ME to
my grandparents.

As soon as she GOT OFF THE PHONE, she packed my entire room, loaded it into
the car and dropped me at my grandparents for the NEXT TEN YEARS until she
became disillusioned and LEFT ECKANKAR HERSELF.

I never trusted her again.

I still have family members IN ECK, and the few times we have spoke, they are
some of the [most] SNOBBISH, ELITIST people I have come across.

It took my younger brother YEARS TO GET HIS HEAD CLEAR of his childhood
teachings, and, to this day, he will NOT SPEAK OF IT.

Today, I have no one set path. I suppose you could say I glean where I find
depth and wisdom.

It still pisses me of every time I see the late night ECK ADS or find an ECK
book at goodwill. I tend to buy them and pitch them.

If this wasn't the proper group for my story, I sincerely apologize and thank
you for your time. It does feel good to have it out.

Since this is the only group I have found for ex eck folk, it has been nice to
read your point of views and stories.

Safe travels,

Mir Chong

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous/conversations/messages/6838

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Hi Mir,

Thank you for posting your personal story about eckankar. It is always more difficult, imo, when Cults influence us as children. I grew up in a Mormon sect and my father was a Bishop, my mother emotionally unstable as in borderline.

It was hard and children, I think, tend to blame themselves and as an adult sometimes that is hard to get over. For me, developing a solid, healthy sense of self was ify.

Then my older brother came along with ECKANKAR when I was a teenager. It is easy to get taken in by all the stuff that at first seems amazing, like wow I can learn to leave my body, so then I became very attuned to my dreams and especially lucid ones.

The part that I never could accept was the idea of the living eck master. I'd already had enough of Authority and that part just didn't feel right. I was involved in eckankar during the seventies too. I remember my sister crying when I told her that I didn't think eckankar was true. To this day, my older brother treats me like I am lesser than him and he likes to exert his sense of superiority whenever he feels like it.

Stangely, I developed a sense of guilt about leaving my Mormon roots as well as eckankar. I think it is because I still have to deal with my brother and my sister has become a tea bagger christian fundamentalist hypocrite.

They are both hypocrites in different ways. I found getting some psychotherapy to be helpful at times and I also attended a few workshops for what is called Second Generation Adults (SGA) with an organization called the International Cultic Studies Association. They don't have all the answers and sometimes I find that I do better getting help individually and coming to sites like this to learn about all the Cult Think stuff that goes on, from people who were once long time members who woke up and got away.

I also learned that you have to be picky about any anticult group therapy you may join. I went to one group, and found out unfortunately, for me anyway, that they were going to include bible study if the subject came up. For some this may not be a problem, but for me I need something more secular.

I still GET TRIGGERED FAIRLY EASILY even with the workshops I did attend.

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Dear Mirlynchong,

Thanks for your post. It must be especially hard for people who were
indoctrinated into eckankar as children to make sense of it.

Please know it is a comfort to read the experiences of others about leaving
eckankar. When you post here, you are among people who understand what it's
like.

I found it very comforting also to have a site like this where I could ask
questions and get some answers about why things in the org work as they do.

It's odd but you HAVE TO GET OUT OF ECKANKAR TO GET REAL ANSWERS.

I hope you find the same comfort I have. I believe the story you told has
value for all of us. It reconfirms what we all know; ECKANKAR WRECKS LIVES
and there is nothing spiritual about it.

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Mir Chong -

Although you've grown, I am shocked and horrified that your parents deserted
you for the cult! On the other hand, perhaps you were better off not being
dragged to eck functions and studying at home, etc.

My mother got involved with the Jehovah's Witnesses when I was a child, and I
sort of bounced between beleiving and not believing - actually, it was more
like believing but not wanting to have anything to do with it and being
horrified at the possibility of being stuck on earth for eternity with no one
but Jehovah's Witnesses, who I found mostly to be very hypocrital and
annoyingly "cultic" with those phony smiles, etc.

It wasn't until I was around 30 that I was finally able to sort of wake up &
dump all of it, and shortly afterwards got mixed up in ekult.

Ha, a cult solved my cult problems!! <gg>

But, without ekult I wouldn't appreciate the freedom of mind, heart, and soul
that I have today.

Good luck & best wishes!!! It's really nice out here!!!

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If the world, or any religion, really knew about what is God then would
people really be acting the way they are today?

I mean all of the weirdos, the nut cases, and political dictators?

My guess is that the above is the result of ignorance and not knowing
the truth. Instead, people believe what they imagine to be true.

And those who have the best stories attract the largest followings.

It doesn't mean they know what the hell they are talking about and it
doesn't mean that what the stories say is true. IMHO.

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