About Eckankar plagiarisms

[Etznab]

Years ago I remember when the allegations first surfaced. I didn't believe it. Didn't want to believe it. Then I did some research and saw for myself that it was true. The founder of Eckankar, Paul Twitchell, did use other peoples writings. Did present dubious information about his date of birth and biography. I then started to think "What else isn't true?"

Anybody who comes onto this newsgroup and states they've seen every example of plagiarism I would be suspicious. I also would ask "How did you manage to see every example of plagiarism? Did you do the research discover everything yourself? Or did you read what other people discovered and then assume you saw it all?

Not even Harold Klemp, the current leader of Eckankar - who reportedly started discovering a growing list 30 years ago - has illustrated all the examples of plagiarism. After members of Eckankar started asking questions, people left the path, authors wrote books on the subject I was still finding new examples of plagiarism, paraphrase and borrowing from other sources.

I would then call it fair to conclude that there are probably numerous examples of "borrowing" etc. that are not known by many people. One has to actually take an Eckankar writing, or book, and check it to see if the material was copied, was, paraphrased, was plagiarized or credited to one of the names of an Eckankar master instead.

Oftentimes I think about how to describe Eckankar to a new person that never before heard about it. And I wonder how to explain to them about where the teachings of Eckankar came from. I don't want to lie to them, or propagate a false dogma. If I have personally seen many examples of plagiarism then do I tell people about the plagiarized source? or do I tell them it came from an Eckankar master?

Here is the problem as I see it. Here is one of the problems. Because the leader of Eckankar, although he admitted that the writings came from various sources, he does not name the sources specifically. Iow, the leader of Eckankar does not spell out the examples of "borrowing", etc. In fact, the message continues to be "The Eck Masters are real." And one of the main reasons why they are real is because people report having had experiences with them even before they ever heard of Eckankar.

Regardless, there is no escaping the many word for word, paragraph after paragraph examples of other people's writings said to come from Eckankar masters. It makes the masters seem real after pages and pages of words are on record as having come from them. But then, What about the fact that so many of the same words already existed in print, in copyrighted books from other people years before Paul Twitchell ever mentioned the word "Eckankar", or there ever was an Eckankar organization and religion? Some of the words and writings were in print even before Paul Twitchell (the founder of Eckankar) reportedly first met his master in 1935.

No, I would say it is not always easy being a member of Eckankar these days. It is not easy when examples of plagiarism and dubious biographical information are avoided and not brought up for discussion and clarification. It is not easy when other members of Eckankar (see examples on this newsgroup) say that it doesn't matter. Say that the problem is you and that maybe you should "move on".

A long time ago I asked a question during a group discussion. The topic was about how we (people in general) are responsible for everything that happens to them. I asked the question: "Are we responsible for mistakes made by the Living Eck Master?" This was my input to the discussion and so I am confident that the person who shared this (myself) does not mind that I share it here. However, I will keep in confidence what was the response from the Eckankar moderator and the other members present in the circle. The point is, it is not like I never questioned things before. Finally, after many years (and many examples) I did start to talk about plagiarisms as if to say "What about this?" So I am not a writer who is speaking from no experience. It's just that I choose to keep a lot of experiences private because they were shared in confidence.

Today I still wonder about how to respond (based on my experiences) to people who ask about Eckankar. To people who ask what is my religion and what do I believe.

The leader of Eckankar, Harold Klemp, was asked (in so many words) why that he didn't use the tools available to him to learn the truth. I remember he said that a similar question (in so many words) was asked of the founder. Here is an example of what I'm talking about so you can personally see the exact words and context.

"Somebody asked Paul why he didn't simply look into the ECK-Vidya whenever he needed to know something. He said he didn't want to take all the surprise and adventure out of life. I feel the same way. It's more fun to find out yourself rather than be told. This is why the ECK initiates go out and find material about Sudar Singh themselves."

http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man2.html

So it was that years later I discovered from an audiotape how the founder of Eckankar, Paul Twitchell, said that Sudar Singh had been a married man and had a son that went to Oxford. And even the person who wrote "The Whole Truth" about Paul Twitchell (Doug Marman) didn't seem to know about this. Instead people had gone all the way to India searching for evidence about Sudar Singh. I just had to wonder Why did they not look at the alumni records from Oxford and find if Sudar Singh really existed that way?

Is Harold saying that it's more fun for people to find things out on their own rather than him consulting the Eck-Vidya and telling us? He had to go and talk to people who knew Paul Twitchell instead and do research (just like anybody else) to learn something as simple as when was the founder of Eckankar born?

The quote "What if God was one of us." comes to mind at this point. And I would take it a step further and say "What if the God-man was one of us?" If he was "one of us" then probably he would have to find information in the same way as "us".

Obviously it is true that Harold Klemp (according to Doug Marman) did discover a "growing list". That he did hear from members of Eckankar asking about so many passages from the Eckankar writings appearing similar to those of other writers. And it was AFTER this that Harold came about and admitted that Paul, the founder, did borrow from other sources.

So then it does make a difference when Eckankar members ask questions and present examples. And it did make a difference when Prof. David Lane did some research and shared the information publicly; because much of what David found was later substantiated and confirmed by the Living Eck Master Harold Klemp! (Thank you David. I wish it had been a member of Eckankar who did this. Who did the favor of sharing so many truths for people to see.)

Long story short, I think there would be more results and Eckankar much more forthcoming if people, instead of leaving Eckankar, would stay and demand the truth! Personally I would LOVE to see members of all religions stay and do the very same thing.

"Religions don't make people good. People make religions good." !!!

[Kinpa]

many continue joining and care not one whit for the plagiarisms, and they also argue that confirming certain quotes as being plagiarized and yet credited to a particular Master does not in any way prove that that Master does not exist, that is a HUGE stretch of assumption....it is obvious that you yourself have never encountered any of these, and i am not judging you over that, however, it is still quite biased to state evidences of plagiarism and then assume without any further evidence that that somehow proves someone is purely fictional. thing simply dont work that way, but of course you may certainly choose the view you would like to have, i doubt that anyone would tell you that you couldn't, however, do not place assumptions in a spot where a truth belongs, even if you are unable to discover what that truth might be. doing so only shows a fault in your ability to investigate these things. and by the way, i know at least 15 people that are not ECKists and have never been ECKists and yet are still visited by certain ECK Masters on an almost nightly basis. these people would certainly count among those who met them at a time when they werent ECKists, and many of these people will never be ECKists, they simply have no desire to be, however that is not in any way required by these so called "fictional" Masters.... on the other hand i have at least 20 others that have also met them before ever even knowing Eckankar existed, and they then later decided to join, not caring in the least about plagiarisms, or lines in books credited to ECK Masters that turned out to be plagiarisms...many simply do not care! and why should they?? because someone else's expectation of what a Master should be was not fulfilled? expectations are limitations lol and no one is ever going to force anyone to not ask questions. i see that being said often, but what many here seemingly dont get, is that these things are talked about at official ECK book discussions and satsangs! its really NOT that big of a deal...everyone makes the path whatever it is for them, so whether that is a good or a bad experience, depends far more on the one doing the experiencing than on anything else. if someone doesn't like the path, they leave. big deal! to each their own! as it should always be! have a wonderful day Etz

[Peetee Aitchei]

If you truly believe this statement you keep making:

"everyone makes the path whatever it is for them"

then also keep repeating your personal mantra that:

"i have at least 20 others that have also met them before
ever even knowing Eckankar existed"

then who the F*** are YOU to assume insult or posit that:

"it is obvious that you yourself have never encountered any of these"

and then who the F*** are YOU to judge anyone else's take of WHAT
anyone else chooses to:

"make the path whatever it is for them" ???

Tell me Kinpa, Who gave you the God Given Right to CRITICIZE anyone
else's interpretation of any Path, or what Twitchell actually said
and did; what Klemp does and says; what their local RESA does and
says; what Marman has done and said and NOT said; or whatever anyone
chooses be to their personal approach and choices of The Path, Kinpa
aka Matt Sharpe?

Who specifically ANOINTED YOU THE GOD OF OTHERS Kinpa just becausue
you are willing to swallow the Whole of Eckankar and Marman's fantasies
about The Path and HImself; so what RIGHT do you Possess above others
to tell them what THEY should THINK and DO, or SAY, Accept as True or
NOT TRUE ... let alone what another might say in this place about
Eckankar and any related subject?

Practice what you F*****g Preach Matt !!!

Now have a have a wonderful day you two-faced self-deluded misinformed
unknowing presumptuous arrogant little twerp. :-)

Clear?

1995-09-17 - Love Alone Counts (audio)

https://archive.org/details/0119950917LoveAloneCountsCharanLightOnSantMat

Keywords: Surat Shabda Meditation; Surat Shabd Yoga; Sant Mat;
Charan Singh; Sawan Singh; Jagat Singh; Gurinder Singh; Kirpal Singh;
Radha Soami; Radhasoami; Radha Swami; Radhaswami; Yoga; Meditation

Now slip into Lunacy Land and assume I am prostelying promoting and believe
100% everything said in the above link simply because I posted it here.

Get a life.
Get a functional mind.
Get past your opinionated self-righteousness.
Get over your egotistic assumption you even have a clue about what you speak.

You do not!

BIG SLAP!

[dusty...@gmail.com]

Kinpa spoke kindly:

to each their own! as it should always be! have a wonderful day Etz

Peetee Aitchei hollars:

> Now slip into Lunacy Land...and believe...[then] Get a life. Get a functional mind. Get past your opinionated self-righteousness. Get over your egotistic assumption you even have a clue about what you speak. You do not!
>
> BIG SLAP!

Dusty hoots:
...say Mr. Paul Twitchell High Initiate, how long you been in Kiev? Nobody has attacked you. Was Kinpa talking to your lover? I like the photo of your friend that says "they nuked us with a bomb this big."
http://rt.com/news/189420-ukraine-nuclear-strike-russia/

[Peetee Aitchei]

So allow me to use my parring knife and slice this up in a different way.
I am overt, you're covert.
I am active aggressive authentic, you're passive aggressive inauthentic.
I am self-reliant, you rely on 20 nameless unknown witnesses to make your case.
I am open and honest, you're closed and dishonest.
I talk about that things matter, you pretend it doesn't matter and talk anyway.
I say the plagiarisms do matter, you claim they do not based on others opinions.

Harold Klemp says: "Paul had the ability to work as the Inner Master. Kirpal Singh also did to his chelas, and there are many other teachers who can do the same thing."

So Klemp claims that: Twitchell was a chela of Kirpal Singh who acted as his Inner Master.
Klemp claims that "Paul had some experiences in which Kirpal Singh came to him in his room."
Just like the experiences of those 20 unknown witnesses of seeing eck masters?
Klemp claims that: "It was interesting that Kirpal Singh knew Paul had the
ability to go into the other worlds, come back, and report on certain things."
Kirpal Singh claims that: he took Twitchell to Sach Khand = far above the Soul Plane
Kirpal Singh claims that: The reports by Twitchell were not complete and inaccurate.
Kirpal rejected the extensively plagiarized manuscript of The Tiger's Fang as erroneous.
Klemp repeatedly claims that he is the Inner Master.
Clearly then, Klemp is suggesting that Kirpal Singh was an ECK Master too!

I know for certain I am speaking the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth.

Are any one of the three, Klemp, Twitchell and Kirpal Singh, speaking the Truth?

If so, why?

Klemp claims that: "Kirpal Singh told several of his close followers that
his line of mastership would end with him, and that the mastership would
then be picked up in one of the Western countries."

SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE Klemp speaks the Truth and personally knows it to be true!

SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE THAT INDICATES KLEMP AND TWITCHELL WERE NOT BOTH LIARS BUT IN FACT ARE OPEN, HONEST, AND TRUTHFUL

The opinions and beliefs of 20 or 20,000 unknown witnesses is not evidence.

Next ...... ?

On Wednesday, 24 September 2014 09:37:49 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

[Peetee Aitchei]

Now just in case anyone missed it, becausue most people actually do.

Klemp claims that: "Kirpal Singh told several of his close followers that
his line of mastership would end with him, and that the mastership would
then be picked up in one of the Western countries."

and then claims:
"But I sincerely wonder if he recognized Paul, a former chela, as being the
carrier of this Light and Sound of ECK."

Therefore ECKANKAR via Klmep states uncategorically that the Mastership of
RSSB and Ruhani Satsang of KIRPAL SINGH was one and the same LINEAGE with
a small break which was PICKED UP by Twitchell who created Eckankar 1965.

That Eckankar's Lineage of ECK masters flows through Kirpal Singh's Lineage
of mastership having transferred that to the west via the contact Twitchell
had with Kirpal Singh who in fact was and acted as Twitchells Inner Master!!!

Now when you can make sense of ANY of that Kinpa, do get back to me with the
evidence and well reasoned arguments that show Klemp is not an abject LIAR of
the highest order equal to Marman.

I am not going anywhere, so do take as much time as you need.

A Psychologist may be able to help you sort the fantasy from the reality.

I don't know.

Because you're beliefs, theories, reasoning and common sense is equivalent to JRs.

Like you said yourself: ".... if someone doesn't like the path, they leave.

big deal! to each their own! as it should always be!"

Then PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH Matt Sharpe, and manifest the reality right here
that it is NO BIG DEAL TO YOU buddy boy!

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Wednesday, 24 September 2014 09:37:49 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

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Excuse me for flooding you with facts, knowledge and context. Such is life.

Kinpa says:
"I know at least 15 people that are not ECKists and have never been ECKists

and yet are still visited by certain ECK Masters on an almost nightly basis"

OK, that's nice, now let's assume there is actually 1500 who say the same, yet
you are not aware of those others. Does this make such a claim even stronger?

Kinpa says:
"... on the other hand i have at least 20 others that have also met them
before ever even knowing Eckankar existed"

OK, that's nice too, now let's assume there are 20,000 who say the same.
Does the make the claim even more true, or just as true as before?

Kinpa says:
"... they then later decided to join, not caring in the least about

plagiarisms, or lines in books credited to ECK Masters that turned out
to be plagiarisms"

OK, then that is really nice. So you and maybe as many as 300,000 others agree
they do not care about the plagiarisms, but they do agree to the truth of it
that there really are plagiarisms which are incorrectly credited to have been said by and intentionally dictated to Paul Twitchell to be given to the world.
And that this 300,000 do not care one whit for the plagiarisms.

OK, let's accept this is true and the numbers are far higher than even you could imagine. I have a question: So what?

Now, let's go back to reality and 1956 and just one seeker named Paul Twitchell.
Twitchell is sitting around in a cafe with like minded friends after a
Ruhani Satsang meeting in Washington DC one evening.
Twitchell is a first year Initiate with several years of interest in and
around and contact with Ruhani and Radhasoami writings, teachings and
initiates and inquirers.
Twitchell pipes up across the table to others, something like "Well, you see,
Master Kirpal Singh comes to me on almost a nightly basis, appears in my very
apartment, talks with me, takes me into the other worlds, and more
importantly Master is dictating a series of discourses to me. I am typing them
up as we go, and sending these to the master in letters regularly."

"Wow", responded the other Initiates at the table.
"Yep, sure is." answers Twitchell in his gently polite southern drawl.

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Now, years later we all have confirmation from Kirpal Singh and Ruhani Satsang
that yes indeed, Twitchell did in fact write said letters to Kirpal Singh back
in India.

And we also know that the large portion of these plus more formed the basis
of Twitchell's 1956 manuscript later known as Dialogues with the Master.

And we know that both the letters sent to Kirpal Singh and the manuscript and
the final book published in 1970 contain a never ending array of plagiarisms
from other published authors.

The contents do not in fact contain 'dictation' from Kirpal Singh, and we know
that He rejected as incorrect and not complete most of what Twitchell mailed to
him, plus later the contents of The Tiger's Fang which was similarly
plagiarised materials from published authors.

And of course we should also know by now that the contents of those letters,
the DWTM/TTF manuscripts plus the completed books are not the dictations or words or inner teachings of one Rebazar Tarzs either, for the majority of those works, bar incidentals word play, name changes, slight editing, is ALL from other authors and not from the Lords of the planes, or RT, or FQ, or YS, or Rumi, or Shams Tabriz, or Rami Nuri, or Gopal Das or anyone of them.

A very small part of these plagiarisms can be viewed here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/232760196/Dialogues-with-the-Master-Plagiarism-by-Paul-Twitchell

Wouldn't want to overload anyone. This section is only about ONE author
namely a New Thought author named Charles Haanel from 1912.

Is it any wonder then, Kirpal Singh found some things amiss in the letters
and manuscripts sent to him by a Mr Paul Twitchell from 1955 through 1963ish?

No wonder at all.

Could this material have really come via real ECK masters like Rebazar Tarzs
or Tarzu if you will, waking Paul to grab his pencil and take down this grand
dictation for the entire world to read and know?

No, impossible. Because as far as DWTM is concerned it all came from authors like these:
Leo Tolstoy 1869
H. Rider Haggard 1886
SSG Hazur Maharaj 1897
Charles F. Haanel 1912
Theron Q. Dumon 1913
Harriett A. Curtiss 1914
Ali Nomad 1915
L. Bolton 1921
A. S. Eddington 1928
Sir James Jeans 1930
Anton T. Boisen 1936
Dr. Julian Johnson 1939
Heinrich R. Zimmer 1951
Paul Twitchell (RS) 1956
Willard L. Russell 1959
Paul Brunton 1941
Brown Landone 1945
Joel S. Goldsmith 1955

OK, now the question arises most obviously.

It's about YOUR 20 unknown ECKist witnesses, and your 15 other unknown
non-eckist witnesses that YOU CLAIM have absolutely no issue with
Plagiarisms by Twitchell in any way.

What do they say AFTER they have read this linked document on Scribd?
What will they say AFTER seeing the FULL Document that includes the other
listed Authors being VERBATIM copied by Twitchell .... IN SENTENCE and
CHAPTER ORDER from the sources books concerned?

The really DEEP Question here Matt Sharpe is how much integrity to actually possess in your being and you up man enough to take the TRUE FACTS as presented
in such a document to these 35 People you CLAIM DO NOT CARE?

If you do not have the guts Kinpa, feel free to send me their email addresses
and I will send each of them the FULL DOCUMENT for DWTM plus 20 other Docs for
them to SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES, so that they have ALL THE FACTS OF THE MATTER
and have given the FREEDOM to review their past decisions and judgement when they were NOT FULLY INFORMED of the FACTS of these matters!

Versus the fanciful LYING CRAP put out by Marman, Klemp, and Kinpa, and THE
many others obsessively attached to their beliefs about Eckankar that they
tell everyone they meet that Twitchell's plagiarism ONLY amounts to about 2% of
all his writings, when in fact, as the EVIDENCE Proves beyond reasonable doubt
to any reasonable person, that it is IN FACT close to 90% and that this extends
across EVERY SINGLE BOOK AND DISCOURSE AND TALK EVER GIVEN BY TWITCHELL ABOUT
ECKANKAR.

But I tell you this buddy boy Matt Sharpe you have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER, under
any law, by any Moral dictate, nor afforded you By GOD ITSELF to stand between
those 35 people and the TRUTH of Twitchell's Plagiarisms and how he went about
it, and how much he manipulate those who read his materials to this day.

And neither does that seriously incompetent and delusional Doug Marman, or Klemp, or anyone else on this earth.

And it will be a very long day in hell that you be able to work off the Karma
of your self-righteous indignation that you have any right to speak for others
OR to BLOCK their ability to make up their own minds for themselves by consciously AND KNOWINGLY WITHHOLDING THAT KNOWLEDGE FROM THEM

Have a wonderful day while you ponder these very SIMPLE thoughts.

Even if you Matt Sharpe do not read this post right here right now is still
NO EXCUSE nor an OUT for you down the track. You will pay the price and it is
fairly obvious you have already begun to confront the negative affects of
your own actions surrounding this matter of Truth and Falsehoods.

3 Billion souls on this earth could claim the Eck Masters are real and Klemp
is the Mahanta the living ECK master of the day, and all that jazz, and it
still would not add up to rice grain of evidence they are correct.

But this was a wonderful day! I really enjoyed it.

It's called being "in the zone" ... and it Rocks!

[Etznab]

Did the ECK Masters plagiarize then?

I personally don't believe that Eck Masters would do that. Do you?

[Etznab]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:37:49 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

Wanted to repost a few of your comments.

"... however, it is still quite biased to state evidences of plagiarism and then assume without any further evidence that that somehow proves someone is purely fictional. ..."

"... however, do not place assumptions in a spot where a truth belongs, even if you are unable to discover what that truth might be. doing so only shows a fault in your ability to investigate these things ..."

***

"... but what many here seemingly dont get, is that these things are talked about at official ECK book discussions and satsangs! ... ."

Official? I wonder. What about unofficial?

For example, the many groups and websites (including this one) containing many dialogues (years of)? People including Eckankar members, Ex-Eckankar members and the public. Also, books have been written and a lot of research yielding truths later reiterated by the leader of Eckankar, Harold Klemp.

Do these unofficial (and unable to be censored by Eckankar Inc.) conversations count as well? In other words, do they testify to anything valid and true? I think you would agree the answer is true.

Well, please consider that among this huge group of persons there is now on the record testimony of MANY who were CONCERNED and were / are UNHAPPY.

I don't have any objection about people totally happy with religion no matter the mixing of truth and fiction. The U.S. constitution allows for "freedom of religion".

***

Here is a pondering. Suppose an individual creates via imagination a being, or beings which they believe actually exist and that can help them, but who only actually exist as personal creative imaginations. When the guidance from these individuals, these imaginary creations, comes to a person (via imagination as well) Who, or what, is the actual agent of their salvation?

A. A real living human being (other than the individual's own imagination) now alive, or alive at some point in the past and now communicating via a spiritual body?

B. The individual who believes and is, at the same time, the actual creator of numerous entities?

Religions and many New Age paths suggest a lineage of real people who at some point actually lived. With Eckankar writings I have witnessed similarities and word-for-word identical matches with that found in so many library books, and / or spoken by various other individuals.

I often like to wonder: Why should the credit default to what people "believe to be true" vs. the actual hard copy proof of what actually is true? One of the reasons, I suspect, is that imagination can delete, alter and censor the truth so it is more to the individual's liking.

So many people were not happy with religion and so they took from those and then created new religions a lot more to their own liking.

Long story short, and this is my opinion only, many people are much too proud to admit ignorance (lacking knowledge of (something) and thus deplore a blank space. So many people IMAGINE the answer in order not to appear ignorant before others (and which, if they did admit not knowing, would necessitate some hard work on their part to actually discover and LEARN the truth). Because people have filled in differing imaginary answers (especially where "religion" is concerned and what "religion" believes to be historically true) the choice has resulted in putting MANY, MANY people at odds with one another. In fact, many generations of people at odds with one another who have invaded, carved up both lands and people, and intensified their differences by building walls and borders defended to the hilt by some of the most horrible, expensive and / or destructive devices known to human history. All because people are too proud to admit they really don't know the truth, but at the same time feel they should give their life to defending a belief; in the hopes that it might be correct.

I just think that if many people actually did know the truth that the truth would be a proof and a witness capable of enlightening millions; like the rays of the sun come over a hoard of miscreants defending an evil magician.

[Etznab]

Not an Eck Temple tour guide ... not a diplomat either :)

[Henosis Sage]

On Wednesday, 24 September 2014 09:37:49 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

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Matt Sharpe cries a river in sept 2014

" does not in any way prove that that Master does not exist"

and "its really NOT that big of a deal..."
and "if someone doesn't like the path, they leave. big deal!"

April 2015 Matt Sharpe is still at it with 195 posts in April so far:

" does not in any way prove that that Master does not exist"

and "its really NOT that big of a deal..."
and "if someone doesn't like the path, they leave. big deal!"
and

Patricia left you, and she won't be back! She says you're far toi addicted to google groups and finds your behavior childish...and she is correct! writing at a 3rd grade level!

and seanella is the homosexual that loves him

NONE of the above is evidence against Eckankar...you simply cannot make a religion illegal you idiot!

"Fuck yourself you dirty stinking cunt! LMAO! You're a joke!!!"

"You will see those ECK Masters when you die LMAO! And you WILL beg them to help you too!"

"Make me you drunken cirrhosis! Have you filed those charges yet?"

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!search/authormsg$3Aalt.religion.eckankar$2CeR61xROTuZEJ$20after$3A2015$2F4$2F1$20before$3A2015$2F5$2F1%7Csort:date%7Cspell:false