Edouard Schuré -The Great Initiates 1961 aka The Spiritual Notebook by Jacob Paul Twitchell

[Peetee Aitchei]

THE GREAT INITIATES. Copyright © 1961 by Rudolf Steiner Publications, Inc. All rightsreserved. Printed in the United States of America.

No part of this book may be used or reproduced inany manner whatsoever without written permission except in the case of brief quotations embodiedin critical articles and reviews.

CLEARLY PAUL TWITCHELL, GAIL TWITCHELL, DARWIN GROSS & HAROLD KLEMP FAILED TO RESPECT RSPs COPYRIGHT RIGHTS


For information address Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc., 10 East53rd Street, New York, NY 10022. Published simultaneously in Canada by Fitzhenry & Whiteside,Limited, Toronto.The text of this book is printed on 100% recycled paper.

Library of Congress Cataloging in Publication Data
Schuré, Édouard, 1841-1929.The great initiates.Translation of Les grands initiés.Includes bibliographical references and index.1. Religions. I. Title.BL80.S33 1980 291 79-3597ISBN 0-06-067125-4

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99105896/Edouard-Schure-The-Great-Initiates-A-Study-of-the-Secret-History-of-Religions

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Saturday, 6 September 2014 12:14:29 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

> then why don't you sue them and be done with it???

Thanks for asking, but I can't answer that question. It is irrational and therefore makes no sense.

[wernertrp]

Am Samstag, 6. September 2014 04:14:29 UTC+2 schrieb Kinpa:
> On Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:44:49 AM UTC-4, Peetee Aitchei wrote:
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> then why don't you sue them and be done with it???

To violate a/the copyright(s) is not a big crime.
We must search at Eckankar for bigger crimes.
Then we must not sue Eckankar personally
it's a job for the police and the public prosecutor.

[Peetee Aitchei]

it's a job for the police and the public prosecutor..... and possibly the IRS?

Personally, I feel it is a matter of basic Respect that even a child could understand.
Some wise old souls explain it very well here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGuT9-_Y5J4

Words are nothing unless we actually live by them. Maybe it's not just respect but more a matter of walking the talk ~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4AJFyK63Hg

They say one of the signs of a religious cult is ostracism. Sri Utama went into this matter and associated karams in some detail long ago. Very short extract here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4AJFyK63Hg Basic (un)common sense really. Thanks very much.

[Peetee Aitchei]

Back in July 1982 Darwin Gross as President, on behalf of Eckankar, and Gail A Anderson (Twitchell-Gross) entered into a contract of sale for all the published and unpublished "works" of Paul Twitchell. This was the second tranch, the first being back in 1979 which was only for a portion of the published works, in particular the Discourses.

Item 5 read in part: "ECKANKAR's payment of percentage royalties to Gail A Anderson will cease effective July 15, 1982."

This would logically mean that Gail A Anderson had been in receipt of Royalty payments by ECKANKAR from Sept 1971 thru July 1982, or about the last 11 years.

Item 7 read: "ECKANKAR releases Gail A Anderson from any and all liability in connection with claims filed or that may be filed regarding the works of Paul Twitchell."

This clearly mentions "claims filed" regarding Twitchell's then published writings (works) all of which were individually and originally registered for Copyright under the name "Paul Twitchell (1908)". These works can be searched via the US Library of Congress.

Given this (contract) Agreement was officially Notarized and acted upon by both parties it is valid reflection, in writing, of what had actually occurred.

This would logically mean that some kind of entity/person/s had in fact already made formal claims against Eckankar and/or against Gail as the primary Copyright holder at the time.

Also note that the only 'works' registered for Copyright by Paul Twitchell (1908) are those related to ECKANKAR. No other material is registered under his name despite Twitchell having been a freelance writer (mostly full time) since 1939.

With the exception of Letters to Gail III (in 1983 and again in 1990) no other 'unpublished works' by Paul Twitchell have ever been published since by Eckankar to my knowledge.

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Sunday, 7 September 2014 02:02:18 UTC+10, JR wrote:
> On Saturday, September 6, 2014, Peetee Aitchei smeared:
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> Blah Blah Blah Eckankar again Blah Blah Blah
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> On Saturday, 6 September 2014 Kinpa asks:

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> On Saturday, September 6, 2014, PT HI claiming to be a High Initiate of Paul Twitchell lied because he is turbo-charged, full-blown hemi-nutcase, obsessive, cyber-stalker and trying to hide it:

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> On Saturday JR posted: bANG! Yer engine blew fella.
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> I am not an Eckankar member. I am not for or against Eckankar or any of its members except those like the full-blow hemi-nutcase above who loves to persecute in compensation for the shit he was brainwashed with by his religion when growing up.

I have no idea what this person is talking about. I have no idea if this person is really in Seattle WA. But if he is, then he may choose to research cyber-stalking laws in that Jurisdiction as well the general legal notion of making false public accusations against another person that they were a felon or acting criminally when they are not. The US Dept of Justice (F.B.I.) also has an interest in this area.

Maybe he thinks he's being funny and isn't being serious at all. But my understanding is that such matters are always dealt with seriously according to the Law both locally and internationally. NSA and others have mountains of data evidence at their fingertips these days.

It's a very strange approach, to say the least. Or this site is simply in a very bad online neighborhood which attracts some very strange participants. A pity that it's not that uncommon these days and getting worse by all accounts. Sad, but true.

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Sunday, 7 September 2014 06:05:47 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> On Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:44:49 AM UTC-4, Peetee Aitchei wrote:
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> it simply makes no sense to YOU, and is therefore irrational...to YOU! LOL...youre a funny funny person...its all good, i seriously DONT care whether you sue Eckankar or not, but to be honest, constantly whining on the internet is a waste of time....to each his or her own however, all personal problems that are NOT mine, so enjoy that....i AM an ECKist, and i have never had any problem with how anyone leads the Org, or anything else, as those too are personal things, each individual has no choice but to deal with what their own perspective manifests for them....one funny thing is the way i have never needed to proselytize in any way, and i also use ALL of the plagiarized works of others along side of those of Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp, including all of the writings and talks of Neville Goddard, Hazrat Inayat Khan, and even Édouard Shuré , and people find it all very interesting, and decide to join anyhow...when a method works, it simply works, and that has absolutely NO bearing on what one or another person's point of view, level of acceptance (or lack thereof) might be about what was done or not done by whomever....i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called "fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from changing names in his writings (or plagiarisms, however you see it) and yet people who happen to be wide awake see and speak to them....if it makes you feel better, feel free to decide that each of these persons is obviously perhaps a bit mentally challenged, or even "crazy", it makes no difference to me, but honestly, do you REALLY need attention THIS bad? you seem to be one particularly squeeky wheel over here, for whatever reason...it IS your time and energy, so far be it from me to tell you how to or how not to spend them, i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five, because it amuses me to do so....enjoy the rest of your day regardless~!

"...to be honest, constantly whining on the internet is a waste of time." Doesn't stop you from doing it though. Practice what you preach kind of a moment was it? Claims about honesty are just that 'claims' because it's only honesty to YOU, no one else has to buy into that just be cause you claim it!

"i seriously DONT care whether you sue Eckankar or not" besides being a ridiculous irrational thing to say (or think) it is self-evidently clear as day you do care and you do take matters affecting eckankar very very seriously and have for a very very long time.

Eckankar teaches that I AM SOUL. Yet this person seems more intent on labelling himself as I AM an ECKist. Apparently being an ECKist holds more value than SOUL or what the teachings teach. Image over substance.

"i have never needed to proselytize in any way" It's psychologically unhealthy to lie to yourself.

"use ALL of the plagiarized works of others" It's psychologically unhealthy to lie to yourself. Produce the 'list of ALL those plagiarisms' and let us see if it is ALL or merely a thimble full.

"when a method works, it simply works" so Trademarks and false claims of taking credit for why it works is dishonest. No one can trademark the brain, blood, breath, or the life force/spirit/all that is. Only a naive person would believe it without cross-checking the plane doors before taking flight.

"i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called "fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from changing names in his writings" Really? Hey, I believe you because you clearly know something about it and you are an honest person, just like this 11 yr Old who had a genuine soul travel/nde experiences with Gopal Das. This has proved to me, beyond any doubt now, as Harold Klemp said a few years back in a talk I attended: "the ECK masters are real". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdUGoFTfP7w

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Sunday, 7 September 2014 06:10:41 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

> what of it? i personally just dont care much about any of it, if you choose to continue hauling this cross around on your back, eventually your back will break, dont say that no one ever told you! ;)

What of it? Well, "it" indicates in a genuine legal document that breach of copyright claims by legal copyright holders had been made against ECKANKAR prior to July 1982.

What you do not know, and what every other 'eckist' doesn't know is what came of it. Issues over Copyright breaches do not have to go to court as on most occasions legally binding agreements are negotiated between the Parties privately and confidentially.

What you should already know if you had researched the history of this, is that Gail A Anderson received a $500,000 payout from Eckankar using their "donated" funds and property.

What you do not know is how much was paid out using those same "donated" funds to the injured Copyright holder from the breaches of International Copyright Law, and what other agreements were made by ECKANKAR that they would have to act on to satisfy the Agreement with original Copyright holder of the "works".

What you personally care about or don't care about is completely irrelevant to this matter. You simply do not count as key player or even a minor player. Your personal beliefs have no say in this because you are just another observer in the crowd sitting in the stadium watching what the professionals do.

Except for what goes down out of sight and out of mind.

"eventually your back will break" - really? now are you claiming omniscience or basic psychic abilities as Seer who can see the future too?

Looks on the surface that you cannot accurately "see" the past as yet with any level of expertise or genuine knowledge. Why you bother I don't know, because it's none of your business anyway and you have repeatedly said you "don't care".

Everyone lies to themselves, it;s a natural human trait, a survival instinct, but there are professionals out there who can help you with this if you should desire it one day. You have a great day too. I hope you get to see your son on fathers day.

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Sunday, 7 September 2014 02:55:15 UTC+10, Peetee Aitchei wrote:
> On Sunday, 7 September 2014 02:02:18 UTC+10, JR wrote:
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This message (above) has been deleted by the originator .. someone who goes by the name of John R Clark from Seattle, Washington. For all I know he could Katie Perry in drag.

[Kinpa]

how about YOU prove to ME and the rest of the world that they were in fact %100 made up by Paul Twitchell?? can you do that?? i dont actually care that he changed Kirpal Singh's name and Swami Premenanda's names to someone else
because i have enough common sense to know that you are already getting ahead of yourself based only on assumptions, and those just dont hold weight in a court of law, or anywhere else either, which in layman's terms means that you have absolutely NOTHING to prove that lol....but please, by all means continue with the rant! what were you saying before? Eckankar is a rip off of Sant Mat? how is it that you neglected to mention that Sant Mat is apparently a rip off of Sikhism and Sufism? you who has such a vast knowledge of religions and of God and what is true and what is not true? :D are your bowels giving you trouble tonite? you seem to have fallen quiet...oh well...myself, i dont personally care what you believe, that is entirely up to you, however, you seriously have NO evidence, and name redactions are not evidence of anything BUT name redactions! it doesnt mean or prove ANYTHING else lol....nice try i suppose, but still, no cigar...try again perhaps?

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Sunday, 7 September 2014 12:10:53 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

> awwww look at you, trying SO hard to make people angry and utterly failing...i know every single bit of the story, its quite an old one you silly man...but the fact of the matter is that most people just arent as concerned as you are with it....is that weight getting heavy yet? how is your back doing?? Father's day has been over for months...i see BOTH of my sons on Father's day ;) i am a blessed individual~!

1) "trying SO hard to make people angry and utterly failing" really? You believe this is true do you? Given you are a supporter of and regularly encouraging Doug Marman, may I humbly suggest you re-read the section in his many comments and in his books where he 'teaches others' that no one can can really know the intentions of another person. Maybe you missed that part in your haste for seeking confirmation for your own beliefs.

2) "you silly man" are now you are stooping to adhom, the bastion of scoundrels and very 'silly' people.

3) "Father's day has been over for months.." ECKANKAR teaches the critical importance of awareness and expanding one's state of consciousness. Sunday September 7th is Father's Day. That you believe it is not, does not make you right, because you are in fact wrong.

It's a truism that anyone who is a researcher or a student on any subject eventually comes to a point where they stop researching and learnign because they falsely believe they either know enough, or 'know every single bit of the story' already.

David Lane made that now obvious mistake. As did Ford Johnson. AS did Douglas Marman. As did Harold Klemp .. and the biggy of them all who made that mistake was Paul Twitchell. As have yourself.

I know better, but have no interest in comparing myself with others. Because when you do you may become vain or bitter, for there will always be greater and lesser persons than yourself. So it was written by someone to help others know better and live better than yesterday.

Who is not blessed? Can you name one soul who is not? I have never met one myself.

[Peetee Aitchei]

1) "how about YOU prove to ME and the rest of the world that they were in fact %100 made up by Paul Twitchell??" If this issue is of importance to you, then you go prove it. I have no interest in this thing you present here now, and have never said I did. Why do you choose to keep making things up and putting such fraudulent and manipulative questions like this to people in public? A rhetorical question only, I don't care why, that's your responsibility, not mine.

2) Did I ask you a question or make a statement about "Kirpal Singh's name and Swami Premenanda's names"? I don't recall that I did. But as I have already explained to the JR character, I can be very slow on the uptake. Help me out, if you think I have it wrong.

3) "you have absolutely NOTHING to prove that..." I didn't claim that I did. Question arises here, what are you talking about. It's very illogical and makes no reasonable sense.

4) "what were you saying before? Eckankar is a rip off of Sant Mat?" If I said that, please provide the quote and a link to it.

5) "how is it that you neglected to mention that Sant Mat is apparently a rip off of Sikhism and Sufism?" I can answer that after to you explain to me why you want to know and how it is anyway relevant to anything I have thus far said or copied in/referenced? Are you OK? Or is this kind of scattered presumptuous fantasy approach common to all who say they are 'ECKists" plus JR.

6) "you who has such a vast knowledge of religions and of God and what is true and what is not true" I think you have mistaken me for someone else. I have never made such a claim in my entire life, though I am aware of others who have.

Change your approach, because this discussion is at an end until you do.

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Sunday, 7 September 2014 12:10:53 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

> awwww look at you, trying SO hard to make people angry and utterly failing...i know every single bit of the story, its quite an old one you silly man...but the fact of the matter is that most people just arent as concerned as you are with it....is that weight getting heavy yet? how is your back doing?? Father's day has been over for months...i see BOTH of my sons on Father's day ;) i am a blessed individual~!

"BOTH of my sons"

It is written that the physical plane is one of illusion. That reality and truth reside in higher planes. Perhaps you should double check the facts. Kālikā has a distinct effect on the female species, especially in the West today. I don't believe everything other people tell me. Perhaps you do. Your choice.

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Sunday, 7 September 2014 13:37:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

> you messed in your pants peetee LOL, on anything other than the physical planes, my sons are always with me you silly man...you may not believe what you are told, but you also arent so good at getting the information directly on the inner either are you? i dont have that trouble ;) anyhow, you were warned...im still waiting to see the proof you have of Masters that dont exist peetee boy! bring it if youve got it!

If at all possible please don't insult my spiritual name. It came direct from SUGMAD. Have you no respect for others religious and spiritual beliefs?

Harold Klemp got his spiritual name from Darwin Gross, unless he lied about that too. There is no comparison, is there, given what Harold said and did to Darwin all those years ago.

[Peetee Aitchei]

On Sunday, 7 September 2014 13:37:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote soem quite disturbing things:


This website is a service for people who are seeking information about DBT (Dialectal Behavior Therapy).

This site was written primarily by PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH DBT, not DBT professionals. For this reason, consider the source of any given document. We cannot give advice, but we can talk about our experiences on our DBT journey. In this regard, I hope we can help one another. http://www.dbtselfhelp.com/

http://www.dbtselfhelp.com/html/articles.html

[Etznab]

Rudolf Steiner Publications? That was interesting to see. Steiner promoted a number of books and authors.

From looking over the "borrowings" by Paul Twitchell of other writers I get a different impression about the nature of such material; different from ideas that it came to Paul Twitchell from Eck Masters like Rebazar Tarzs.

Many of the New Age, New Thought writers were contemporaries, or influenced by contemporary beliefs. Many belonged to, or were affiliated with Theosophical Society, Rosicrucianism, Masonry and other groups. Iow, a lot of the writings were spawned by a culture of individuals borrowing from and adding on to (true or false) what the others wrote. This, however, IMO is not the same as material having come from a 500+ year old Tibetan Lama telling Paul Twitchell what to write. Not the same as Paul Twitchell taking down the words of Rebazar Tarzs, etc.

Looking at the writings of various authors, at what influenced their teachings and thinking, I find other writers and other teachings that preceded them. And I find human imaginations, personal prejudices and peer pressures, etc.

In short, to better understand the message of a written work it is necessary to consider what influenced it. For example, was it Rebazar Tarzs coming into Paul Twitchell's room, sitting on his bed, telling him to take up the pencil and begin to write? Write what Rebazar Tarzs told him to write? Iow, was a Rebazar Tarzs figure really a contributing influence to the Eckankar writings? that (as it so happens) also match the writings of other authors and copyrighted books?

What is the real influence behind what Paul Twitchell borrowed and compiled in the form of so many books? Was the influence some unbroken lineage of Eckankar masters going back thousands of years? real people with whom Paul Twitchell was in contact? Or were the early books largely an echo of contemporary new age beliefs garnered from writers who also garnered from others before their time?

If this be the actual context then (to me) it demonstrates a human legacy of thought (including all manner of imaginations, mistakes and human weaknesses). It does not (to me) represent a spiritual teaching having existed for many generations and headed by a lineage of "Eckankar" masters.

One should probably take into account the leaders of various lodges, orders and groups along with the contributions of academia, of science, of historians and religions ... and not simply a small group of New Age pundits when looking at what the "Eckankar" writings most likely reflect in printed form. This again, however, does not (to me) look like the same story written by Paul Twitchell and his successors. Yes the current leader suggested ideas like borrowed and compiled (from other sources) but did not in the same breath mention that what was borrowed and compiled bore the "stamp" of Rebazar Tarzs, or other Eckankar masters. Iow, credit was NOT given to the borrowed from, compiled from source, but rather was given to Paul Twitchell and Eckankar!

This is more than a simple case of borrowing and compiling from the writings of others. IMO it constitutes a tremendous change to the legacy of human history. It introduces a potential to both control and own it! (Not to mention edit at will.)

[Etznab]

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 at 10:37:27 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

> you messed in your pants peetee LOL, on anything other than the physical planes, my sons are always with me you silly man...you may not believe what you are told, but you also arent so good at getting the information directly on the inner either are you? i dont have that trouble ;) anyhow, you were warned...im still waiting to see the proof you have of Masters that dont exist peetee boy! bring it if youve got it!

This thread and the timing of it is very interesting to me considering the dialogue between Kinpa and Sean. Sean was stating his opionions and being fairly respectful about it. However, it looks to me like Kinpa was intent upon communicating in a "teasing" and childishly intimidating way.

And what happens when Kinpa can't stand to hear other people's opinions that do not agree with his? I mean, What happens when and how does Kinpa respond? He suddenly reverts to potty mouth that gets nastier and nastier.

"you messed in your pants peetee LOL, ..."

And that is not like giving crap to other people? Umm ... and Kinpa suggests it is like entertaining for him when other people lash out at him.

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Now, so far, the timeline I'm commenting about is only at the beginning of when Kinpa returned to a.r.e. and started to enter conversations here.

One can watch how things build on one another and when people tried to write back to Kinpa how he responded to them.

[Henosis Sage]

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SPOT on Etznab. That's what I have been saying, correct? :)

SEPT to today in June = that's 10 months now.

WHAT WOULD A TORT LAW JUDGE SAY DO YOU THINK ABOUT DEFAMATION CASE PUT TO HIM?

AND YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THE PROOF THAT AUSTRALIAN LAW APPLIES HERE, NOT THE USA.
- MATT SHARPE KINPAPADAM IS 100% CULPABLE AND WILL HAVE NO POWER TO AVOID THE PROCESS.

(SHRUG)

Meanwhile I like the way you said this:

"Now, so far, the timeline I'm commenting about is only at the beginning
of when Kinpa returned to a.r.e. and started to enter conversations here.
One can watch how things build on one another and when people tried to
write back to Kinpa how he responded to them."

THAT'S RIGHT - YOU GOT IT!

HE'S LOST IT .... TOTALLY LOST IT AND I DID SAY IT WAS COMING DID I NOT?

[Kinpa]

Wrong once again seanie, as usual...

[Etznab]

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 at 3:05:47 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> On Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:44:49 AM UTC-4, Peetee Aitchei wrote:

> it simply makes no sense to YOU, and is therefore irrational...to YOU! LOL...youre a funny funny person...its all good, i seriously DONT care whether you sue Eckankar or not, but to be honest, constantly whining on the internet is a waste of time....to each his or her own however, all personal problems that are NOT mine, so enjoy that....i AM an ECKist, and i have never had any problem with how anyone leads the Org, or anything else, as those too are personal things, each individual has no choice but to deal with what their own perspective manifests for them....one funny thing is the way i have never needed to proselytize in any way, and i also use ALL of the plagiarized works of others along side of those of Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp, including all of the writings and talks of Neville Goddard, Hazrat Inayat Khan, and even Édouard Shuré , and people find it all very interesting, and decide to join anyhow...when a method works, it simply works, and that has absolutely NO bearing on what one or another person's point of view, level of acceptance (or lack thereof) might be about what was done or not done by whomever....i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called "fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from changing names in his writings (or plagiarisms, however you see it) and yet people who happen to be wide awake see and speak to them....if it makes you feel better, feel free to decide that each of these persons is obviously perhaps a bit mentally challenged, or even "crazy", it makes no difference to me, but honestly, do you REALLY need attention THIS bad? you seem to be one particularly squeeky wheel over here, for whatever reason...it IS your time and energy, so far be it from me to tell you how to or how not to spend them, i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five, because it amuses me to do so....enjoy the rest of your day regardless~!

"[...] one funny thing is the way i have never needed to proselytize in any way, and i also use ALL of the plagiarized works of others along side of those of Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp, including all of the writings and talks of Neville Goddard, Hazrat Inayat Khan, and even Édouard Shuré , and people find it all very interesting, and decide to join anyhow... [... .]"

You mention: "i also use ALL of the plagiarized works".

Question. Use them how?

[Etznab]

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 at 3:05:47 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> On Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:44:49 AM UTC-4, Peetee Aitchei wrote:
> > THE GREAT INITIATES. Copyright © 1961 by Rudolf Steiner Publications, Inc. All rightsreserved. Printed in the United States of America.
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> > No part of this book may be used or reproduced inany manner whatsoever without written permission except in the case of brief quotations embodiedin critical articles and reviews.
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> > CLEARLY PAUL TWITCHELL, GAIL TWITCHELL, DARWIN GROSS & HAROLD KLEMP FAILED TO RESPECT RSPs COPYRIGHT RIGHTS
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> > For information address Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc., 10 East53rd Street, New York, NY 10022. Published simultaneously in Canada by Fitzhenry & Whiteside,Limited, Toronto.The text of this book is printed on 100% recycled paper.
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> > Library of Congress Cataloging in Publication Data
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> > Schuré, Édouard, 1841-1929.The great initiates.Translation of Les grands initiés.Includes bibliographical references and index.1. Religions. I. Title.BL80.S33 1980 291 79-3597ISBN 0-06-067125-4
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> > http://www.scribd.com/doc/99105896/Edouard-Schure-The-Great-Initiates-A-Study-of-the-Secret-History-of-Religions
>
> it simply makes no sense to YOU, and is therefore irrational...to YOU! LOL...youre a funny funny person...its all good, i seriously DONT care whether you sue Eckankar or not, but to be honest, constantly whining on the internet is a waste of time....to each his or her own however, all personal problems that are NOT mine, so enjoy that....i AM an ECKist, and i have never had any problem with how anyone leads the Org, or anything else, as those too are personal things, each individual has no choice but to deal with what their own perspective manifests for them....one funny thing is the way i have never needed to proselytize in any way, and i also use ALL of the plagiarized works of others along side of those of Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp, including all of the writings and talks of Neville Goddard, Hazrat Inayat Khan, and even Édouard Shuré , and people find it all very interesting, and decide to join anyhow...when a method works, it simply works, and that has absolutely NO bearing on what one or another person's point of view, level of acceptance (or lack thereof) might be about what was done or not done by whomever....i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called "fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from changing names in his writings (or plagiarisms, however you see it) and yet people who happen to be wide awake see and speak to them....if it makes you feel better, feel free to decide that each of these persons is obviously perhaps a bit mentally challenged, or even "crazy", it makes no difference to me, but honestly, do you REALLY need attention THIS bad? you seem to be one particularly squeeky wheel over here, for whatever reason...it IS your time and energy, so far be it from me to tell you how to or how not to spend them, i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five, because it amuses me to do so....enjoy the rest of your day regardless~!

You write: "[...] i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five, because it amuses me to do so... [... .]"

You think that other people are here for your own personal amusement? Because I can find numerous instances already where you spelled out the same basic idea. It was not just this one instance.

[Etznab]

Words are words, but I am also looking at intent. For example, are the words used as a form of defense? Are the words used as a form of attack? Or, are the words designed as a foem of amusement (such as the type that "trolls" find amusing)?, Etc.

[Etznab]

... and ... Use them for what purpose?

[Henosis Sage]

ALL the plagiarised works?

That's a LIE and a DELUSION because he has no idea what ALL those works actually are. And they are definitely NOT to be found via The Light Force Network website nor via Matt Sharpe's blog spaces there.

He's a fool to make such stupid statements like that. No matter how many believe him, or tell him how wise he is, and how much "truth" they "believe" he speaks, is of no import at all.

A person who cannot comprehend that "%100" is not correct, but continues to present that falsehood as true has not got a hope in hell of being seen as a "truth teller" or very intelligent except by gullible fools, and I would consider such a person who uses %100 utterly unreliable and not credible on ANY subject and fundamentally untrustworthy.

That's my opinion, based on my experience and knowledge, others mileage may vary.

[Etznab]

I agree about the sweeping statements. Including "everybody knows" and "nobody cares", etc. The words could have been written more accurately in that one instance. For example "many of the plagiarized works", "most of the known plagiarized works", etc. I think sweeping statements are part of that person's habitual writing style and need to be censored for the truth.

[Henosis Sage]

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Yes, it;s like so obvious isn;t it?

"I think sweeping statements are part of that person's habitual writing style and need to be censored for the truth."

Forget Kinpa he is of no importnace .. the real culprit for making sweeping statements is in fact TWITCHELL. He started this shit, not Kinpa.

However every eckist including the twitch and Klemp will at some point have to confront their own words and actions........ how, why, where or when, who the f&*$ cares? Not me, not my problem. I'm not going to create another friggin religion and PRETEND I can help people by leading them to the Godhead .... when usually it's leading people like Quoc to insanity and an untimely and unnecessary lonely and painful illness then death. (shrug)

[Kinpa]

So judgmental, and yet SO short on spiritual experience...tsk tsk tsk....and SO angry and full of hatred! You ought to consider seeing a professional about these feelings that you are unable to lay to rest...

[Henosis Sage]

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Something from August 2015 suddenly catch your attention did it Matthew?

How cute.

".... when usually it's leading people like Quoc to insanity and an
untimely and unnecessary lonely and painful illness then death."

He's not the only one Matthew.

Beware the 'facsimiles' at work when trapped inside your own self-delusions.

RE: "So judgmental, and yet SO short on spiritual experience......tsk tsk tsk

....and SO angry and full of hatred!"

There's that Mirror again .... step aside while you still can.

[Kinpa]

No need, mirrors are nothing to hide from! It is so amusing that you think I should! You just worry about your own mirror! You've a number of things you were meant to have learned in this life, and you have wasted the majority of opportunities, but you WILL learn a number of them before you will be allowed to depart...St. Sean! Always worrying about the mirrors of others and always ignoring his own! Blessed are we whom he sees fit to bestow his attention upon! Glory be and Hallelujah~!!

Blessed be St. Seanicus with Divine Love and Light, and Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta~!

[Henosis Sage]

On Monday, 25 January 2016 07:49:31 UTC+11, Kinpa wrote:

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Kinpa 07:49 (3 hours ago) 24th JAN 2016
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So judgmental, and yet SO short on spiritual experience...tsk tsk tsk....and SO angry and full of hatred! You ought to consider seeing a professional about these feelings that you are unable to lay to rest...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/cgGnnJO9BQAJ


Who is a busy boy in his FUTILE attempts at destroying evidence from SEPT 2014
on this thread and others today?

Why it's Matthew Sharpe aka Sant Shabda aka Jon Thorpe aka Shabda - Preceptor
aka Kinpa himself .....



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On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 3:11:56 PM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

[snipped]

Everything is recorded, everything is date stamped, removing post now
will not save you from your own responsibility for your actions and abusive
behaviour the last 17 months here Matthew.

Nor will it save Loni Haas and her Website and her own responsibilities either.

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> SPOT on Etznab. That's what I have been saying, correct? :)
>

> SEPT to today in June [2015] = that's 10 months now.

>
> WHAT WOULD A TORT LAW JUDGE SAY DO YOU THINK ABOUT DEFAMATION CASE PUT TO HIM?
>
> AND YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THE PROOF THAT AUSTRALIAN LAW APPLIES HERE, NOT THE USA.
> - MATT SHARPE KINPAPADAM IS 100% CULPABLE AND WILL HAVE NO POWER TO AVOID THE PROCESS.
>
> (SHRUG)
>
> Meanwhile I like the way you said this:
>
> "Now, so far, the timeline I'm commenting about is only at the beginning
> of when Kinpa returned to a.r.e. and started to enter conversations here.
> One can watch how things build on one another and when people tried to
> write back to Kinpa how he responded to them."
>
> THAT'S RIGHT - YOU GOT IT!
>

> HE'S LOST IT .... TOTALLY LOST IT AND I DID SAY IT WAS COMING DID I NOT?

KINPA responds with:

"Wrong once again seanie, as usual..."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY/giLGz9OGY9oJ

OH NO KINPOO, I AM NOT WRONG -- YOU WERE & STILL ARE 100% WRONG.

7 MTHS AFTER YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE DELETING YOUR POSTS ON THIS THREAD.

WHY IS THAT KINPOO?

Are you now shitting yourself or something?

Like how many hints, requests, demands and chances do you expect you all deserve?

Where are your remote viewing skills now?

Where are your shamans now?

Where is Loni at now?

What's "seanella" from the NSA telling you now?

Deleting your posts NOW is not going to help you nor anyone else.

I told you that long ago.

But you didn't believe me???

You carried on saying I don;t know shit about US Law or anything else.

I have also now told you that you are out of time and out of rope.

And I do not lie Kinpoo.

I told you that as well a hundred times at least.

tsk tsk tsk

You ought to consider seeing a professional about -- what YOU have done here.

Because I can assure you that I am NOT going to help you one little bit.

Your all out of chances now.

You have been since JULY 2015 .... you didn't believe me then either.

(shrug)

O do have a *shit* of a day Kinpoo ... no blessings for you ... only Karma.

Which can be either a blessing or a curse, and you've totally run out of "blessings"~!!!

For there is no "sugmad, eck or mahanta" going to help you either.

[Henosis Sage]

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