List of rule questions asked during the EC 2010
floppyzedolfin
Here's the list of questions that were asked to me during the EC2010
in Paris.
This list is exhaustive. I didn't erase a question because its answer
was too trivial (or merely "cardtext").
The answers I give here are more complete than the answers I gave in
the event. Mainly, I tried to answer "Yes" or "No", with, when
necessary, some details, but without the part where "it would be
better to" or "you can also" gets added.
The questions that were asked the more were about Antediluvian
Awakening's cardtext (when exactly can I burn a vampire? what's the
minimum capacity?) and Madness Network / Enkil Cog etiquette (about
4-5 times each).
I hope this list will be useful to someone :-)
Can Demonstration cancel a Priscus' vote in the Priscii
subreferendum ?
=> Yes. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/5ab156b8b0b5640f
Can I play Special Report on an untapped vampire?
=> Yes. It doesn't require a tapped vampire.
I control Orlando Oriundus and Stavros. There is no other Priscus. How
many votes can I cast in a vote?
=> 1 for Orlando and 1 for Stavros, tallying up to 5 votes without any
other Priscus.
My library is empty. I play Visit from the Capuchin. Do I burn
counters when my library is empty?
=> Yes. You would replace a card when you don't have handsize cards in
your hand. (I got this one wrong)
I play Govern, replace Seduction. Can I play Seduction?
=> Yes. The "as announced" window happens after the replacement of the
action card.
I play Entrancement, replace Strange Day. Can I play Strange Day?
=> Yes. The "as announced" window happens after the replacement of the
action card.
Can I play Daring the Dawn after resolving the action?
=> No. Action modifiers can't be played after resolution (as usual,
unless cardtext says they can, per the Golden rule of cardtext)
What's the change with the new Madness Network cardtext?
=> Using the sequencing rules makes the acting player get the impulse
after another player performs an action.
Can I tap the Coven during my untap phase, untap it with all my cards,
and tap it again?
=> No. Untapping your cards is the first thing you do during your
untap phase.
Can I play Enrage inf / sup on a vampire with a Sire's Index Finger?
=> Yes. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/38f1b6954d631d13
Does the Soul Gem trigger if I diablerize its bearer?
=> Yes. [Cardtext has been changed since VTES]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/9ee346beef6c0ef1
Can Nephandus prevent 1 from Catatonic Fear?
=> Yes. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/ec541020df8268ca
Can I Amaranth a vampire with 1 blood when my strike is 3 agg?
=> No. He isn't sent to torpor and burns right away.
If I steal 1 blood from a vampire with 1 blood striking with a Zip
Gun, and I have no blood, do I go to torpor? Do I gain 1 blood and
lose it? Does he go to torpor?
=> You gain 1 blood (stolen) and burn 1 blood to heal 1 damage. He
loses 1 blood (stolen) and gets wounded (sent to torpor).
Does Telepathic Vote Counter untap the acting vampire?
=> No. It doesn't say it does.
Are « retainers » mortal retainers?
=> No. Retainers with no type have no type.
Can I play Deep Song sup' on a tapped vampire?
=> Yes. "Tap X and enter combat with X" doesn't require X to be
untapped.
Does the vote to burn the Fee Stake reduce a Priscus' votes?
=> No. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/686461f26f4ea0e2
Can I press in round N with the Aid From Bats played in round N-1 ?
=> No. Maneuvers and presses from a combat card are only usable in the
round in which the combat card is played.
Can I tap Vagabond Mystic during an action?
=> Yes.
Can I tap Vagabond Mystic during combat?
=> Yes.
What is the timing to discard cards to cancel Target: Vitals?
=> It can be cancelled as it is played, which is before it is
replaced. You need 2 combat cards in your hand (you can't discard one,
replace, and discard the second).
Deflection is cancelled by Two Wrongs. With a Wake + deflection on the
same action, is deflection cancelled? Can I attempt to block?
=> The second Deflection is cancelled by Two Wrongs. Block attempts
have been declined, so there can't be a new block attempt (unless the
target of the bleed changes).
Can I boost a bleed with Virginie's special ability after playing
Foreshadowing Destruction?
=> Yes. Using Virginie's special ability isn't playing an action
modifier.
Can I play Hostile Takeover if my Ventrue is in torpor?
=> No. Master cards with a clan requirement require a ready vampire of
that clan.
Does Charnas burn an empty minion in torpor?
=> No. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.deckmaster/msg/410c7edefbad115
Can I play Deflection before I get tapped by inferior Spirit
marionnette ?
=> Yes. The tapping from inf' Spirit Marionnette is part of the
resolution of the action, which happens after players declined to play
Deflections.
Can I play Touch of Clarity with an untapped minion I control when I
control the acting minion?
=> Yes, even if that untapped minion isn't the acting minion.
Can I play Psyche! after a combat with an Illusions of the Kindred?
=> No. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/e49844cdf43ba34d
My prey is on 1 pool, I am on 3. My Vignes has 2 blood and a Fame. Can
I bleed with Daring the Dawn, and oust my prey without being ousted?
=> Yes. First resolve the bleed, and then inflict agg to Vignes
(eventually triggering the Fame).
I play a political action card and play Day Operation. Is the
referendum conducted?
=> Yes. The referendum is part of the resolution of the action.
Can I use the Coven during combat?
=> Yes (but not in the middle of damage resolution).
Can I play a Babble with my vampire with dementation in torpor ?
=> No. Only ready vampires can play reaction cards.
Can I attempt to block after playing Telepathic Counter?
=> Yes. Telepathic Counter (as opposed to sup' Telepathic
Misdirection) can be played before block attempts are declared, after
block attemps are declared, or even after block attemps are declined.
What is the exact timing of Enkil Cog?
=> You play it after successfully bleeding (same as for Freak Drive).
Then, use the sequencing rule to determine when you can attempt an
action with Enkil Cog.
Theft of Vitae sup vs Theft of Vitae sup when both vampires are at
full capacity: who gains / loses blood?
=> They both lose and gain 2 blood. They end up at full capacity after
this strike resolution.
Do I play DI on the Govern after or before declaring a block attempt?
=> Direct Intervention is played as the Govern is played, which is
before block attempts are declared. It's even before the Govern gets
replaced. It's even before the acting minion taps.
Can I tap the Dreams in combat after strike declaration and before
strike resolution? Can I play the Rotschreck I'd draw?
=> Yes. And yes.
What's the capacity requirement for Approximation of Loyalty?
=> It requires a vampire with capacity 7 or more (KoT misprint).
Pentweret steals a vampire with his strike. The other vampire's strike
is hands. Can the other vampire play Disarm?
=> No. The change of control happens during the strike resolution and
it ends the combat. At the end of the round, both vampires have the
same controler.
Does Flesh of Marble prevent Drawing out the Beast's damage?
=> No. You can't prevent unpreventable damage (exception: Rutor's
Hand).
Can I play a second Kine ressources Contested with the same vampire if
the first one got DI'ed?
=> Yes (if DI stands for Direct Intervention - "no" if it stands for
Dark Influence).
Can I tap the Barrens during an action?
=> Yes.
DI on Mirror Walk. Can I replace Mirror Walk?
=> Yes. Its cardtext is cancelled, including the part where you don't
replace it.
Can I concede the game if I already have 3 Vps (and the GW)?
=> Yes. The Play To Win rule is to get the game win. Once you have the
game win, you are free to do whatever you want to keep it. That is:
withdraw, concede, or continue playing are all OK.
If my inferior Govern the Unaligned is cancelled with Dark Influences,
can I bleed with this vampire?
=> Yes.
Can I play Wash and then Sudden Reversal during the same player's
master phase?
=> No. A Methuselah can play only one Master: out of turn before his
master phase.
Stanislava is acting. Do I get +1 intercept with my Raptor?
=> Yes. Stanislava's special ability only affects animal retainers in
combat.
Can Psyche! be played after Blissful Agony?
=> No. A new combat is already queued, so you can't squeeze another
one in between.
Can a vampire perform both actions from Kaymakli Fragment on the same
turn?
=> Yes. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/a11f994775221ce6
The controller of Rumors of Gehenna is ousted. Do I still get 2 MPAs?
=> No. Similarly, the chosen Methuselah(s) won't get 2 MPAs if the
Rumors are burned.
Can I play Villein on an empty vampire?
=> Yes. You move 0 blood.
Am I still wounded in the second round of combat if I played Undead
Persistence in the first?
=> Yes.
Can I play Eagle's Sight without declaring a block attempt?
=> No, Eagle's Sight is a block attempt.
Can I play Gremlins on a vampire's equipment if that vampire has a
secure haven?
=> Yes. Secure Haven only protects the minion it is on, not other
cards (equipment, retainers, or even the Secure Haven itself) that
also are on the minion.
I play Spirit Marionnette on Tupdog. I have a Heidelberg Castle and no
other untapped minion. I don't control a ready Tremere. When does
Tupdog's control changes?
=> After the next action, if it didn't burn at the end of your minion
phase.
Can I use the Vagabond Mystic's special ability during damage
resolution?
=> No. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/9e8e845beef6d9f
When can I use Hide the Heart at inferior during an action?
=> It can be played at any time before resolution, but only after the
"as announced" window. That is: You can play it whenever you could
declare a block attempt, and after blocks have been declined.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/fffabcddc5e4f9eb
Can I use Maris Streck's special to give Unleash Hell's Fury some
intercept?
=> Yes. UHF is considered as a vampire during the block attempt.
Tenebrous Form has been played. Can I attempt to block with Carlton
Van Wyk ?
=> No. Carlton cannot "burn 1 blood".
My Wash was Suddened. Do I get to play a Master in my turn?
=> No. Cancelled Trifles don't award another MPA.
If a Laibon becomes Bahari, is he still a Laibon?
=> Yes. Bahari is not a sect, it's a trait (as are "Red List",
"Advanced", ..)
I am bled for 1. I play Telepathic Counter at sup. If the acting
player plays Eyes of Chaos at sup', is it a bleed for 1 or for 2 ?
=> When you play sup' TC on a bleed for 1, it becomes a bleed for -1.
When you add sup' Eyes of Chaoes, it becomes a bleed for 1.
Can I play Taste of Vitae and then press?
=> No. The press step is before the end of the round.
Can I play Telepathic Misdirection after Spying Mission is burned for
+2 bleed?
=> No. Spying Mission burns at resolution, when Telepathic
Misdirection can't be played anymore.
Can I play a Govern the Unaligned if someone played a Touch of Clarity
on a Govern the Unaligned I played this turn ?
=> Yes.
Can I play Fake Out to maneuver to long range?
=> Sure.
My Mind Rape was cancelled by Veil of Darkness. Am I tapped?
=> No. Veil of Darkness cancels the action card before the acting
vampire taps.
My vampire with Anathema and 1 blood plays Slam to maneuver. Does he
burn before strike resolution?
=> Yes. He burns in the "determine range" step.
I control Rachel Brandywine. Do I get to put back into my library the
cards I discard to Fragment of the Book of Nod ?
=> Yes, if you tapped the Fragment during your discard phase.
Can a vampire without Enkil Cog play Mask of a thousand faces on the
action of the vampire with Enkil Cog during another player's turn ?
=> No. The vampire without Enkil Cog couldn't declare the action card
in the first place.
Can I play Familial Bond on an action at 0 stealth (and I have 0
intercept) ?
=> No. Intercept cannot be gained when not necessary.
Can I play a Freak Drive after replacing my Bum's Rush?
=> No. When Bum's Rush is replaced, the action has ended: you can't
play action modifiers after the end of the action.
Can I play Power of All on a Nephandus brought to play via Antonio
d'Erlette's ability?
=> No. The Nephandus card isn't played.
I play Earthmeld, but my vampire gets Rotschrecked. Do I untap my
vampire before going to torpor?
=> No. Rotschreck ends the combat before strike resolution.
Can I tap the Dreams of the Sphinx in response to a player declining
the block (in order to draw Conditioning) ?
=> You can tap the Dreams when the impulse comes back to you, which
happens either when a player declares a block attempt, or when all
players decline attempting to block.
I play Majesty, and the opposing guy plays Catatonic Fear: Does my
vampire untap and take 1 damage?
=> Yes. And he untaps.
Can I play Eyes of Argus to attempt to block the action to burn my
Madness Network ?
=> At sup': Yes. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/24450e3859389d82
At inf: Only if intercept is needed.
If I control a protected ressources, and someone bleeds me for 1 and
burns the Spying Mission, how much pool do I burn?
=> The bleed is for 3, but you only burn 2.
Can I influence on the crypt card brought to my uncontrolled region on
the turn the Anarch Convert brings it into my uncontrolled region ?
=> No. You first spend transfers, and then move out the influenced
minions. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/480724df2fd804f1
Can I use Anarch Convert to convert anarch an Anarch Convert ?
=> Yes. Anarch Convert can convert Anarch vampires.
Can I play Conditioning if the target of the bleed plays Telepathic
Counter?
=> Yes. You get the impulse back.
If Sargon successfully performs the second action to burn the Seeds of
Corruption, do I get the Edge?
=> Yes.
Can I recruit two different allies with the same vampire in one turn?
=> Yes. The NRA restricts you to one Warghoul per turn per vampire,
but you can recruit a Repo Man and a Warghoul on the same turn with
the same vampire.
Xeper tries to steal a Warghoul. Warghoul burns to burn a Metro
Underground. There is no block. Does Xeper gain 1 blood from
Perfectionist?
=> Yes. The action is not blocked, so it is successful. It fizzles due
to a lack of target, but Xeper still gets his blood from
Perfectionist. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/81734e54398cdd75
I play Grooming the Protege selecting my ready vampire with a Secure
Haven and a younger vampire of the same clan in my uncontrolled. Does
this cost me 1 pool?
=> Yes. Choosing a vampire with a Secure Haven for Grooming the
Protege (or Tend the Flock, or the Rack) increases the cost of that
master by 1 pool.
Can I attempt to rescue the same vampire from torpor twice in a
single turn with the same vampire?
=> Yes. NRA doesn't apply to rescue from torpor.
Does the bidding for Hostile Takeover go clockwise?
=> No. The default format for any bidding is open format. (re-checked,
and it didn't change since 1999)
If the blocking minion has a Sniper Rifle, can the acting minion set
the range in the before range step, before the blocking minion gets
the opportunity to do so ?
=> Yes. And if the acting minion sets the range, the blocking minion
can't re-set it (the acting minion can't re-set it either).
Can I play Mind of the Wilds before block attempts get to be declared?
If there is no block attempt, is there any effect?
=> Yes (at inferior). If there is no block attempt, its cardtext is:
"[ani][aus] "
If my Wash is Suddened, do I replace it?
=> Yes. Cardtext of cancelled cards is cancelled, even the part where
you don't replace them.
The vampire targetted by the Rack got banished. Does the rack move
blood to him in the uncontrolled region?
=> No. http://http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/22d1e4cb1271f71
If Mata Hari plays ShreckNET, does she untap?
=> Yes. ShreckNET considers her as a Nosferatu for the resolution of
the card. Since she's a 7-cap, SchreckNET sees her as a 7-cap
Nosferatu, so it untaps her.
I played On the Qui Vive and Familial Bond. The action is successful.
Can I enter combat with the acting vampire after resolution?
=> No. "Tap to enter combat" requires an untapped minion.
Can I cancel the combat due to Yawp Court with Crypt's Sons?
=> No. The combat due to Yawp Court doesn't result of a successful
block.
Can I play Tier of Soul inferior on a vampire with no blood?
=> Yes. The target is the minion, not the blood counters.
Is High Stakes legal in the FCQ?
=> No.
If the result is 2-2-1-0-0, is there a GW?
=> No. You need 2 VPs (or more) and strictly more than other
Methuselahs to get the GW.
Can I hunt after playing Change of Target on a hunt action?
=> Not with the same hunt action.
Kevin M.
> Hello,
> Here's the list of questions that were asked to me
> during the EC2010 in Paris.
> DI on Mirror Walk. Can I replace Mirror Walk?
> => Yes. Its cardtext is cancelled, including the part
> where you don't replace it.
Does this mean that if I play a +bleed Action Modifier and it gets
DI'ed that I can play another +bleed Action Modifier, since the
"You can't play another action modifier to increasethis bleed amount"
cardtext was canceled?
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JH
Yes, because that part was cancelled too. But note that after DI the
game still remembers the name of the card you played, so the new
modifier has to be a different card.
Dasein
OK that bit I understand (though I think it's weird).
But can someone remind me as to what the ridiculous justification is
as to why I can play a Conditioning, it gets DI'ed, then play
aTthreats (because the "you can't play another bleed modifier" bit got
cancelled"), but if I play an Immortal Grapple, it gets cancelled, I
can't then play another grapple? Doesn't the "a vampire can only play
one immortal grapple each round of combat" get cancelled also?
floppyzedolfin
The cardtext of the cancelled IG is indeed muted. The cancelled IG was
played, though, and the cardtext of a potential second IG would read "
a vampire can play only one IG per round" (not combat ;-) ).
That second IG would be the second IG, which isn't allowed, per that
second IG's cardtext. Playing it would be illegal (would lead to a
state where two IGs have been played by the same vampire in the same
round), so you can't play a second IG in a round of combat if your
first was cancelled.
Dasein
] The cardtext of the cancelled Conditioning is indeed muted. The
cancelled Conditioning bleed mod was
] played, though, and the cardtext of a potential second bleed mod
would read "
] once you have played a bleed mod, you cannot play another one this
action".
] That second bleed modifier would be the second bleed modifier, which
isn't allowed, per that
] second bleed modifier's cardtext. Playing it would be illegal (would
lead to a
] state where two bleed modifiers have been played by the same vampire
in the same
] action), so you can't play a second bleed modifier in a bleed action
suoli
Two things.
1. A canceled Conditioning is a played Conditioning, just like a
canceled Immortal Grapple is a played Immortal Grapple. A canceled
Conditioning does not, however, "increase this bleed amount". Threats
wouldn't care about a card named Conditioning being played, it would
only care about whether it increased the bleed amount.
2. Restricted bleed modifiers don't say "you can only play one action
modifier to increase this bleed amount" in the same way that IG
restricts playing cards called IG. They only care about what you play
*after* them. You can play Quicksilver Contemplation, Command of the
Beast, Leverage and Conditioning in that order on the same action if
you want.
floppyzedolfin
> Here's a quote, with a bit of re-editing:
>
> The cardtext of the cancelled Conditioning is indeed muted. The
> cancelled Conditioning bleed mod was played, though, and the
Correct.
> cardtext of a potential second bleed mod would read "once you
> have played a bleed mod, you cannot play another one this action".
No. Cardtext of a second bleed mod would read "you cannot play another
action modifier to increase this bleed amount.
The card that forbids that second bleed-booster of being played is the
first not-cancelled one: "You cannot play another action modifier to
increase this bleed amount". ("another" referring to a future action
modifier, whereas, in IG, "may play one per round" remembers what was
played earlier)
> That second bleed modifier would be the second bleed modifier,
> which isn't allowed, per that second bleed modifier's cardtext.
Incorrect, as stated above. It would be correct if the cardtext of
Conditioning were "You can only play one of Threats, Bonding,
Conditioning, Eyes of Chaos, <skip extremely long list> each action."
> Playing it would be illegal (would lead to astate where two bleed
> modifiers have been played by the same vampire in the same
> action), so you can't play a second bleed modifier in a bleed action
> if your first was cancelled.
Incorrect premises.