On Apr 8, 11:58 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> ARCHIVED JFK ASSASSINATION FORUM POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 51):
>
> =====================================================
>

> SOME MORE KOOK-BATTLING SESSIONS:http://www.amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/TxR9QNQTFC20JF/53/ref=cm_...http://www.amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/TxR9QNQTFC20JF/54/ref=cm_...

>
> ZAPRUDER'S FILM:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c28995e1b22385f0
>
> SUMMARY OF OSWALD'S GUILT (WARREN COMMISSION REPORT; PAGE 195):http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4693faa2059caca0
>
> "PROVEN":http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f8500304b87f7df2
>

> A BULLET IN THE O.R.?:http://www.amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/TxR9QNQTFC20JF/53/ref=cm_...

>
> GUN-"SHAKING" ON TENTH STREET:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/94a58e5d6c35660bhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/34631c0ea09c8929http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0a1939a253d3210c
>

> EIGHTY-THREE PERCENT:http://www.amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/TxR9QNQTFC20JF/51/ref=cm_...

>
> JACKETS:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5114a97a8d89b9d2
>
> CONSPIRACY AUTHOR WALT BROWN:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8ea788fcd3c87f5b
>
> A "201" FILE:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/12ad52262382affe
>

> PALAMARA'S CHANGE OF HEART:http://www.amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/TxR9QNQTFC20JF/53/ref=cm_...
>
> SBT:http://www.amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/TxR9QNQTFC20JF/53/ref=cm_...http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b58fe877119f73bd

>>> "'Beyond the Magic Bullet' was a totally deceptive program..." <<<
DVP:
Bullshit.

HB:
I recommend you do a web search on "manners" or "civilized behavior."
You may learn a few fxcking things.

DVP:
If it had been designed as a "deceptive" program, then the Discovery
Channel people would have rigged it in some way to be a dead-on
PERFECT
re-creation of the SBT, which we know it wasn't.

HB:
Please explain how the program distinguished what could have happened
from reality. Without a clear and unambiguous distinction, the
program casts itself as an elaborate and costly deception.

DVP:
Keep dreaming, Pat. After all, that's about all you anti-SBTers have
--
your dreams. (You certainly have no anti-SBT metal.)

HB:
The anti-SBT crowd have the medical evidence that undisputably shows
no basis for a single or multiple bullet theory of what actually
happened in Dealey Plaza. For starters, we have a pair of mutually
exclusive descriptions of President Kennedy's back wound. In
particular Bethesda had the tangential component of the striking
velocity roughly parallel to the vertical column while the FPP
orientated this tangential component nearly perpendicular to the same
vertical column.

Perhaps a SBT advocate would come forward to explain how a single
bullet could strike the same target at two different angles.

PS:
>>> "I dissect it in chapters 12b and 12c at patspeer.com and there's nothing much left for you to play with." <<<

DVP:
LOL time once more. Pat has "dissected" the "Magic Bullet" cable-TV
program and has deemed it "totally deceptive"....so, fellow LNers,
let's
pack it up and head for the LN BatCave, tail 'tween legs. [rollin'
'em]

DVP:
My "Beyond The Magic Bullet" essay/review is much better. Shorter
than
Patrick's tripe, true, but much more sensible in nature, because I
talk
about the program while using some garden-variety common sense:

HB:
Further reading of the medical evidence shows that the shape of
Governor Connally's back wound matched the shape of the back wound on
President Kennedy. In particular both elongated wounds were
elliptical. So tell us how the program explained the elliptical shapes
of these wounds without discrediting the tumble theory of Connally's
elongated wound?

Herbert

David Von Pein

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Apr 9, 2008, 1:17:27 AM4/9/08

DVP:
Bullshit.

HB:
I recommend you do a web search on "manners" or "civilized behavior."
You may learn a few fxcking things.

DVP:
My original reply made several days ago to Herbert's above comment
(which was not posted by McAdams on the moderated side, just as I knew
it wouldn't be) was this:

"Why waste good manners on conspiracy-happy kooks?" -- DVP

Thanks for re-posting it here, Herb, so I could get my reply
officially into the Google Groups JFK Forum record. ;)

The remainder of Herb's anti-SBT bluster is the same old crappola
that's been trounced many, many times over the years (mainly by using
nothing more than common sense, because common sense ALONE debunks ANY
anti-SBT tirade). But that won't stop a CTer from bringing up this
same shit over and over again.

A COMMON-SENSE APPROACH TO THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a7cf61c59d09bc05

THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY IN ACTION:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/88cd14ec6de230eb

WHERE'S THE LOGICAL CONSPIRACY-ORIENTED ALTERNATIVE TO THE SBT?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8ee3ea6cfa4a58c9

MORE SBT TALK (WITH A LARGE DOSE OF COMMON SENSE INCLUDED):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d16a5df97cccb32c

YET ANOTHER SINGLE-BULLET THEORY ESSAY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c19abd308e0026e1

STILL MORE SINGLE-BULLET CONVERSATION (FOR GOOD MEASURE):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/284975f119fe13c0

AND A LITTLE MORE SBT LOGIC (TONGUE-IN-CHEEK STYLE):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bed05a055b2f4133

IN A (LONE) NUTSHELL -- THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0b30398a449c05b7

YEP, HERE'S ANOTHER SBT ESSAY (WITH COMMON SENSE AGAIN INSERTED):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/00a4ecbb835edc89

JOHN CONNALLY SAID THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY IS "POSSIBLE":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/741a872f58796bfe

WHAT DID JOHN CONNALLY SEE ON 11/22/63? AND WHAT DIDN'T HE SEE?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/1cc5d266271e...

THE SBT AND JOHN CONNALLY'S REACTIONS TO HIS BULLET WOUNDS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/117c00bb91d7361d

WAS BULLET CE399 "PLANTED" IN PARKLAND HOSPITAL? (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/84689b600ce41d68

WAS BULLET CE399 "PLANTED" IN PARKLAND HOSPITAL? (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bceb46435b39817f

THE ODD (BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY TRUE) JOURNEY OF BULLET CE399:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c565d3b4c930a683

TOO MANY CE399 BULLET FRAGMENTS IN JOHN CONNALLY? HARDLY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7bf79593cce78406

IF BULLET CE399 DIDN'T INJURE GOVERNOR CONNALLY, WHAT BULLET DID?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f90802d6225a380e

GERALD FORD AND THE SBT -- DID HIS "MOVE" REALLY MATTER AT ALL?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bf3ae3c6c0993e13

THE "SBT PERFECTION" OF WARREN COMMISSION EXHIBIT NUMBER 903:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c65419db537d4abf

Herbert Blenner

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Apr 9, 2008, 1:31:21 PM4/9/08

On Apr 9, 1:17 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> DVP:
> Bullshit.
>
> HB:
> I recommend you do a web search on "manners" or "civilized behavior."
> You may learn a few fxcking things.
>
> DVP:
> My original reply made several days ago to Herbert's above comment
> (which was not posted by McAdams on the moderated side, just as I knew
> it wouldn't be) was this:
>
> "Why waste good manners on conspiracy-happy kooks?" -- DVP
>
> Thanks for re-posting it here, Herb, so I could get my reply
> officially into the Google Groups JFK Forum record. ;)
>
> The remainder of Herb's anti-SBT bluster is the same old crappola
> that's been trounced many, many times over the years (mainly by using
> nothing more than common sense, because common sense ALONE debunks ANY
> anti-SBT tirade). But that won't stop a CTer from bringing up this
> same shit over and over again.

Flames cannot conceal your unpreparedness to discuss the physical
evidence. In fact the shrillness of your reply shouts that DVP does
not dare debate someone who has done their homework. Frankly, David,
your advocacy of the SBT accomplishes just one thing. You render the
SBT critics superfluous.

Herbert

Ben Holmes

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Apr 9, 2008, 2:09:23 PM4/9/08

In article <008153a5-63ba-40e8...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Herbert Blenner says...

>
>On Apr 9, 1:17=A0am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>> DVP:
>> Bullshit.
>>
>> HB:
>> I recommend you do a web search on "manners" or "civilized behavior."
>> You may learn a few fxcking things.
>>
>> DVP:
>> My original reply made several days ago to Herbert's above comment
>> (which was not posted by McAdams on the moderated side, just as I knew
>> it wouldn't be) was this:
>>
>> "Why waste good manners on conspiracy-happy kooks?" -- DVP
>>
>> Thanks for re-posting it here, Herb, so I could get my reply
>> officially into the Google Groups JFK Forum record. ;)
>>
>> The remainder of Herb's anti-SBT bluster is the same old crappola
>> that's been trounced many, many times over the years (mainly by using
>> nothing more than common sense, because common sense ALONE debunks ANY
>> anti-SBT tirade). But that won't stop a CTer from bringing up this
>> same shit over and over again.
>
>Flames cannot conceal your unpreparedness to discuss the physical
>evidence. In fact the shrillness of your reply shouts that DVP does
>not dare debate someone who has done their homework. Frankly, David,
>your advocacy of the SBT accomplishes just one thing. You render the
>SBT critics superfluous.
>
>Herbert

Yep... troll & LNT'ers simply can't refute the evidence. I was browsing in the
censored group... and saw one poster asserting that CT'ers can't debate the
evidence. Of course, he was posting that nonsense in a censored group that is
pro-WCR. He's probably not stupid enough to come over to an unmoderated forum
where there are people who KNOW the evidence - and can show him up to be a liar.

I killfiled DVP a long time ago when I realized that he will *ALWAYS* refuse to
support his allegations with the evidence... he can't. As you've pointed out,
trolls "cannot conceal [their] unpreparedness to discuss the physical evidence"
- but the truth is, they can't discuss it. It's not in their favor.

>> A COMMON-SENSE APPROACH TO THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY:http://groups.google.c=
>om/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a7cf61c59d09bc05
>>
>> THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY IN ACTION:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cons=
>piracy.jfk/msg/88cd14ec6de230eb
>>
>> WHERE'S THE LOGICAL CONSPIRACY-ORIENTED ALTERNATIVE TO THE SBT?:http://gro=
>ups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8ee3ea6cfa4a58c9
>>
>> MORE SBT TALK (WITH A LARGE DOSE OF COMMON SENSE INCLUDED):http://groups.g=
>oogle.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d16a5df97cccb32c
>>
>> YET ANOTHER SINGLE-BULLET THEORY ESSAY:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.=
>conspiracy.jfk/msg/c19abd308e0026e1
>>
>> STILL MORE SINGLE-BULLET CONVERSATION (FOR GOOD MEASURE):http://groups.goo=
>gle.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/284975f119fe13c0
>>
>> AND A LITTLE MORE SBT LOGIC (TONGUE-IN-CHEEK STYLE):http://groups.google.c=
>om/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bed05a055b2f4133
>>
>> IN A (LONE) NUTSHELL -- THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY:http://groups.google.com/=
>group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0b30398a449c05b7
>>
>> YEP, HERE'S ANOTHER SBT ESSAY (WITH COMMON SENSE AGAIN INSERTED):http://gr=
>oups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/00a4ecbb835edc89
>>
>> JOHN CONNALLY SAID THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY IS "POSSIBLE":http://groups.go=
>ogle.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/741a872f58796bfe
>>
>> WHAT DID JOHN CONNALLY SEE ON 11/22/63? AND WHAT DIDN'T HE SEE?:http://gro=
>ups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/1cc5d266271e...
>>
>> THE SBT AND JOHN CONNALLY'S REACTIONS TO HIS BULLET WOUNDS:http://groups.g=
>oogle.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/117c00bb91d7361d
>>
>> WAS BULLET CE399 "PLANTED" IN PARKLAND HOSPITAL? (PART 1):http://groups.go=
>ogle.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/84689b600ce41d68
>>
>> WAS BULLET CE399 "PLANTED" IN PARKLAND HOSPITAL? (PART 2):http://groups.go=
>ogle.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bceb46435b39817f
>>
>> THE ODD (BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY TRUE) JOURNEY OF BULLET CE399:http://groups.=
>google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c565d3b4c930a683
>>
>> TOO MANY CE399 BULLET FRAGMENTS IN JOHN CONNALLY? HARDLY:http://groups.goo=
>gle.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7bf79593cce78406
>>
>> IF BULLET CE399 DIDN'T INJURE GOVERNOR CONNALLY, WHAT BULLET DID?:http://g=
>roups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f90802d6225a380e
>>
>> GERALD FORD AND THE SBT -- DID HIS "MOVE" REALLY MATTER AT ALL?:http://gro=
>ups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bf3ae3c6c0993e13
>>
>> THE "SBT PERFECTION" OF WARREN COMMISSION EXHIBIT NUMBER 903:http://groups=
>.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c65419db537d4abf
>

David Von Pein

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Apr 9, 2008, 4:35:36 PM4/9/08

"When you can establish the single-bullet theory by reference to
evidence other than the {Zapruder} film, you necessarily know that the
film itself cannot, by definition, show something else. .... Since we
KNOW Kennedy and Connally were not hit by separate bullets, we know,
before we even look at the film, that it CANNOT show otherwise." --
Vince Bugliosi; Pages 457-458 of "RH"

"With respect to the second shot fired in Dealey Plaza, the
"single-bullet THEORY" is an obvious misnomer. Though in its incipient
stages it was but a theory, the indisputable evidence is that it is
now a proven FACT, a wholly supported conclusion. .... And no sensible
mind that is also informed can plausibly make the case that the bullet
that struck President Kennedy in the upper right part of his back did
not go on to hit Governor Connally." -- VB; "RH" Pages 489-490

=============

DVP SAYS:

Let me guess.....VB hasn't done any of his SBT "homework" either (per
the anti-SBT clowns).

Right Herb? Right Ben-Kook?

Herbert Blenner

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Apr 9, 2008, 5:10:16 PM4/9/08

I have posted my work on ballistics.

http://mysite.verizon.net/a1eah71/punchingholes.htm

By contrast, VB has made no contribution in this field and repeated
the common errors and falsehoods of the "square of the velocity
crowd."

Herbert

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