ATed wrote:
> JW wrote:
>> On 3/23/2020 3:04 AM, Ted wrote:
>> > JW wrote:
>> >> On 3/22/2020 11:29 PM, Ted wrote:
>> >> > JW wrote:
>> >> >> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> > JW wrote in part:
>> >> >> >> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >>> JW wrote in part:
>> >> >> >>>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> JW wrote in part:
>> >> >> >>>>>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> It is described in the Bible that the Magi (aka
>> >> >> >>>>>>> powerful ones)
>> >> >> >>>>>>> traveled about 5000 miles (2 years x 7 miles/day)
>> >> >> >>>>>>> from the very far
>> >> >> >>>>>>> East (i.e. China) to bring the 2 yo LORD Jesus, Who
>> >> >> >>>>>>> was residing in a
>> >> >> >>>>>>> house in Bethlehem, "gifts of gold, frankincense and
>> >> >> >>>>>>> myrrh" (Matthew 2:11)
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> No it doesn't.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Actually it is as described.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> <begin Holy Spirit-guided exegesis>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> "When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the
>> >> >> >>>>> Magi, he was
>> >> >> >>>>> furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in
>> >> >> >>>>> Bethlehem and its
>> >> >> >>>>> vicinity who were two years old and under, in
>> >> >> >>>>> accordance with the time
>> >> >> >>>>> he had learned from the Magi." (Matthew 2:16)
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> The two years was possibly (Matthew 19:26) spent on the
>> >> >> >>>>> Silk Road
>> >> >> >>>>> which is known to have been in use to carry silk from
>> >> >> >>>>> China to Rome at
>> >> >> >>>>> the time:
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Silk-Road-trade-route
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Distance as the crow flies west from Shanghai to
>> >> >> >>>>> Jerusalem is 4927.5
>> >> >> >>>>> miles which would be consistent with "about 5000 miles"
>> >> >> >>>>> by the Silk Road.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Source:
>
>
https://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between-jerusalem_-israel-and-shanghai_-china.htm
>
>> >> >> >>>>> <end exegesis>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Source:
>
>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/A1X0vJ6wDa8/0ETlPkNFAQAJ
>
>> >> >> >>>>> In the interim, I am simply wonderfully hungry (
>> >> >> >>>>>
http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) and hope you, JW, also
>> >> >> >>>>> have a healthy appetite too.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> So how are you ?
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Matthew only describes that an unknown number of wise
>> >> >> >>>> guys ...
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> The number of Magi is irrelevant here as is their gender.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Moreover, Matthew not knowing their gender is consistent
>> >> >> >>> with their
>> >> >> >>> being very unlike the Persians (i.e. from northern Iraq
>> >> >> >>> or Iran) whom
>> >> >> >>> the Jews would have been able to recognize so as to also
>> >> >> >>> recognize their gender.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> KJV translates the word for them as "wise men".
>
>> >> >> > Clearly a mistranslation because the context of asking
>> >> >> > old King Herod
>> >> >> > of Israel the whereabouts of the new King of Israel was not
>> >> >> > wise.
>
>> >> >> > >> Matthew doesn't
>> >> >> >> present a physical description or a cultural description
>> >> >> >> that would
>> >> >> >> lead to the conclusions you present about them.
>
>> >> >> > Matthew used the genderless word Magi in reference to
>> >> >> > them. This does
>> >> >> > mean that he did not know either their gender or their
>> >> >> > ethnicity. This
>> >> >> > lack of knowledge would be consistent with the Magi being
>> >> >> > Chinese.
>
>> >> >> > >>> "The Magi are Chinese." -- Holy Spirit (referring to
>> >> >> > >>> Matthew 2:16)
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Taking your continued interest here to mean "yes, you
>> >> >> >>> have a healthy
>> >> >> >>> appetite," I share with you, JW, that it's really
>> >> >> >>> Wonderful (Isaiah
>> >> >> >>> 9:6) knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that
>> >> >> >>> we're both
>> >> >> >>> being blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in
>> >> >> >>> red&white at
>> >> >> >>> Luke 6:21 **and** according to pure logic
>> >> >> >>> (healthy=wonderful &
>> >> >> >>> appetite=hunger) and advise that you try to write that
>> >> >> >>> you're
>> >> >> >>> "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that
>> >> >> >>> you are:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> So now how are you ?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I am nonplussed ...
>
>> >> >> > Again, I advise that you, JW, really try to write that
>> >> >> > you're
>> >> >> > "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you
>> >> >> > are:
>
>> >> >> > So now again, how are you ?
>
>> >> >> I've made my point, you want to belabor it and put words in
>> >> >> my mouth, as well as Matthew's pen, so I am done.
>
>> >> > Dr. Chung is only trying to save your soul, JW. Have some
>> >> > respect, will ya?
>> >
>> >
>> >> How does falsely claiming the New Testament says the Wise Guys
>> >> came from China when the Good Book says no such thing bring me
>> >> closer to salvation?
>> >
>> > Does Chung claim the three wise men were from China? LOL.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/A1X0vJ6wDa8/M-gQek1AAgAJ
No. The Magi were **not** three wise men.
>> That's exactly his position.
No it is not.
See above.
>> Quoting from above, he wrote, "It is
>> described in the Bible that the Magi ... traveled about 5000 miles
>> (2 years x 7 miles/day) from the very far East (i.e. China)".
Nothing about the Magi being three wise men in what you quote.
>> > Well, I guess it's remotely possible. The Bible just says they're
>> > from the east.
Actually what is described in the Bible is that they'd travelled two
years from the East.
>> That's my point. He's presenting his own conjecture as biblical
>> fact.
It remains a Biblical fact that what is described in the Bible is that
the Magi travelled two years from the East.
> Then he's lying even about the Bible.
LIE.
To lie before those of us who are wonderfully hungry (
http://bit.ly/Philippians_12 ) in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, is to blaspheme (Mark 3:29) against
Him, Who He is the Spirit of truth.
You, Ted, are now eternally condemned.
You would have been better off had you never been born b/c you will
now be cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD more than ever.
While
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, Ted, more than ever in the name of Jesus Christ