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GOD's Authority: It's all about loving service and not power.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 9, 2006, 4:45:20 PM10/9/06
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Ben Mitts wrote:
> I recently post a message to Randy on the
> subject of 1 Cor on what is says about hus-
> bands and wives in regards to sex between
> each other in their marriages!
>
> I will start with the below paragraph to help
> you understand where I am coming from:
>
> "I am going to try an experiment to see if I can help
> this subject get back on track so it can be brought
> to a sane and sensible conclusion so we can all
> once again get back to business as usual. I'm go-
> ing to print a message which will give all concerned
> a chance see what it is they are arguing about and
> try to make moves to bring everybody back on to
> the same page!"
>
> From the KJV,
>
> I Cor 7:1-9
> 1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is
> good for a man not to touch a woman.
> 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his
> own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
> 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and
> likewise also the wife unto the husband.
> 4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband:
> and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body
> but the wife.
> 5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a
> time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and
> come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incon-
> tinency.
> 6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
> 7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man
> hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another
> after that.
> 8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for
> them if they abide even as I.
> 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
> marry than to burn.
> The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.
>
> Now once again the same Scripture but from The Nasb.
> If you dont like this translation use another and replace
> these verses with your own translation!
>
> 1 Cor 7:1-9
> 1 Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good
> for a man not to touch a woman.
> 2 But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife
> and each woman is to have her own husband.
> 3 The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also
> the wife to her husband.
> 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the
> husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have
> authority over his own body, but the wife does.
> 5 Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time,
> so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come to-
> gether again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your
> lack of self-control.
> 6 But this I say by way of concession, not of command.
> 7 Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am However,
> each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and
> another in that.
> 8 But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for
> them if they remain even as I.
> 9 But if they do not have self-control, (I)let them marry; for it
> is better to marry than to burn with passion.
>
> My challenge if you choose to partake in in it
> is for all who will to study these verses and see
> if you understand what they are saying, and also
> see if you can pick out where and why the subject
> grew into a flame war!
>
> Now I realize there have been al lot of insults, charges
> and whatever bandied about, but it seems to me that
> if enough take the time to study these verses this war
> will end and die out to just a memory- an ugly memory
> at that.
>
> My comment on these Verses is that both translations
> say the same thing.

Correct for these two and all other GOD-breathed translations. All
such translations show Paul asking (and not commanding) married
brethren couples to help each other from falling from GOD's grace into
sexual immorality. Paul advises that couples achieve this by relying on
GOD's authority concerning their marriage. GOD's authority is manifest
by both the authority given to the husband over his wife's body and the
authority given to the wife over her husband's body (1 Corinthians
7:4). This is reminiscent of the authority given the Son of Man over
HIS assembly.

The satan-view of authority over something is that one has power over
that something. Satan fell from heaven in a failed attempt to wrestle
power from GOD taking a third of the angels with him.

The Christ-view of authority over something is that one has the
responsibility of a servant for that something. Our LORD is the
servant-KING, Who came into the world to serve as the Redeemer for our
deadly sins.

Christ Jesus is all about loving and serving.

Satan is all about hating and dominating.

The truth, Who is the living Word of GOD, is a double-edged sword that
separates the wheat (brethren) from the chaff (non-brethren). The
division we have witnessed here on this issue of GOD's authority in
marriage is the work of the truth. Laus Deo !

> There is no difference at all in
> their meaning and intents!

Correct.

> Also this old Preacher be-
> lieves both Believer and non-believer alike can under
> stand their meaning!

So far we have seen two distinctly different views of these verses as
applied to the following simple question:

"Is spousal rape sin?"

Those who have the view that authority is power have written that
Scripture answers this question with "No."

Those who have the understanding that authority is loving
responsibility have written that Scripture answers this question with
"Yes."

And so the truth divides those of this doomed world, who walk in hate,
from those who have been reborn of living water and the Holy Spirit,
who walk in love.

> Why not try you hand at seeing whether you can pick
> out from these verses where the war started and the
> flamed out of control?

1 Corinthians 7:4

"The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband
does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his
own body, but the wife does."

> I's easy to do!

It all started with man's original sin of coveting GOD's power, which
is HIS authority from the perspective of the fallen and unredeemed.

"...you will be like GOD..." -- satan tempting Eve to eat the forbidden
fruit

HIS brethren know that GOD's power resides in HIS love and not in HIS
authority (ie knowledge of good and evil).

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear brother
Ben whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?

Mark T

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Oct 9, 2006, 8:49:24 PM10/9/06
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> GOD-breathed translations

--
Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.

De t'ings dat yo li'ble to read in de Bible - It ain't necessarily so.
- Porgy and Bess (George Gershwin)

"We're Christians! We're not supposed to think!" Fanny Wype (Nudist Colony
Of The Dead)

"All things are probable. Try to believe." - Mark 17:1
"Really! Try to believe even if it's bloody stupid and irrational." - Mark
17:2
"Why? Because I said so, that's why! Don't ask questions. Just
believe." - Mark 17:3

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 9, 2006, 11:45:00 PM10/9/06
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Mark T wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
> > GOD-breathed translations
>
> Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.

That would depend on which verses of the Bible you are citing.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I

Archie Leach

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Oct 10, 2006, 12:31:12 AM10/10/06
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Mark T wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>>
>> > GOD-breathed translations
>>
>> Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.
>
>That would depend on which verses of the Bible you are citing.
>
>May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I
>love unconditionally.
>

Do you ever post anything besides medical-related stuff and Christian
proselytizing (which is what you're doing whether you admit it or
not)?

It makes you seem like a rather colorless and humorless individual.


Roofshadow

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Oct 10, 2006, 5:19:16 AM10/10/06
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In article <df8mi2lhses5sgll8...@4ax.com>,
Archie Leach <arrrr...@arrrrrrrr.pirates> wrote:

> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
> >Mark T wrote:
> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > GOD-breathed translations
> >>
> >> Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.
> >
> >That would depend on which verses of the Bible you are citing.
> >
> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I
> >love unconditionally.
> >
>
> Do you ever post anything besides medical-related stuff and Christian
> proselytizing (which is what you're doing whether you admit it or
> not)?
>
> It makes you seem like a rather colorless and humorless individual.

Please tell me this guy isn't a real doctor.

Please!

--
Roofshadow

AUK FNG

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 10, 2006, 7:33:48 AM10/10/06
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Archie Leach wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> >Mark T wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> > GOD-breathed translations
> >>
> >> Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.
> >
> >That would depend on which verses of the Bible you are citing.
> >
> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I
> >love unconditionally.
>
> Do you ever post anything besides medical-related stuff and Christian
> proselytizing (which is what you're doing whether you admit it or
> not)?

Yes.

> It makes you seem like a rather colorless and humorless individual.

Sorry my posts bore you. Please forgive all my iniquities.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Archie whom

Randy

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Oct 10, 2006, 9:49:22 AM10/10/06
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 05:19:16 -0400,
in article
<Roofshadow2004-D7D...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Roofshadow <Roofsha...@spamtrap.yahoo.com> wrote:


Nope, sorry, your nightmare is true.

--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 10, 2006, 1:13:59 PM10/10/06
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Randy wrote:

> Roofshadow <Roofsha...@spamtrap.yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Archie Leach <arrrr...@arrrrrrrr.pirates> wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >Mark T wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > GOD-breathed translations
> >> >>
> >> >> Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.
> >> >
> >> >That would depend on which verses of the Bible you are citing.
> >> >
> >> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I
> >> >love unconditionally.
> >>
> >> Do you ever post anything besides medical-related stuff and Christian
> >> proselytizing (which is what you're doing whether you admit it or
> >> not)?
> >>
> >> It makes you seem like a rather colorless and humorless individual.
> >
> >Please tell me this guy isn't a real doctor.
> >
> >Please!
>
> Nope, sorry, your nightmare is true.

The light from a heart filled with GOD's love is indeed both true and a
nightmare for creatures of darkness such as yourself and Roofshadow.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to repent,
dear neighbor Randy whom I love unconditionally.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 10, 2006, 5:45:52 PM10/10/06
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Vic wrote:
> Ben wrote:
> > Vic wrote:
> > > Ben wrote:
> > >
> <snip>
>
> > Thank you very much Vic! I see that your
> > only the 3 person who was willing to ex-
> > plain 1 Cor 7:1-9.

Actually, the order and number of responders up to this thanks from Ben
are as follows:

(1) Zadok - dismissed the verses altogether because of distrust held
for Paul.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/c0afba4615b7a121?

(2) Giant Waffle (Dave) - rehash of his past misinterpretation.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/5a949fca7dda3d4e?

(3) Randy (Pulpitfire) - rehash of his past misinterpretation.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/1307fe7c81995f6c?

(4) Andrew - described an understanding of authority versus power.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/7be06ade23517d10?

(5) Mark T - essentially dismissed the verses altogether because of
distrust of both Paul and the Bible.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/e731b480e0c0d728?

(6) Vic - also described an understanding of authority versus power.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/121220b08c5ed60a?

The many who have been injured by Randy and Dave are noticeably absent.
May GOD heal them with HIS living water, in Jesus' most precious and
holy name.

Amen.

It would be wise if all choose to ignore Randy and Dave, henceforth.
They belong to satan... so let satan deal with them until they repent.
May GOD keep their hearts beating to give them the time they need to
understand the need for repentance, in Jesus' most praiseworthy and
holy name.

Amen.

> > It is well appreciated
> > that you did!

In truth, you are the 6th and not the 3rd person to offer an
explanation of the meaning in the verses of interest. See above. Not
sure how Ben counted only 3. This (and his ignoring Glenn) reveals to
me that Ben is not here to either promote healing or peace but to
inflict harm and sow discord. It is likely that if our injured sisters
were here to participate that Ben would hurt them all over again by not
counting them (Grace, Diana, Sioux, Feather, Sensi... please find it
in your heart to forgive them and pray for their lost souls... that
they will repent and turn from satan back to Christ Jesus).

> > One question I have for you
> > is: Do you now see better why the flame
> > war go so rough and out of control?
> >
> > Would you care to take a stab at answer-
> > ing this question? Pleas do not worry if
> > you choose not to because it is not a part
> > of my original challenge!
>
> Hi again Ben!
>
> Yes!
> 1 Cor 7:1-9 is a follow on from another discussion were, Dave and Randy went
> on a women bashing frenzy.

Yes. I witnessed this too.

> TTBOMK it started with: women should dress moderately, or they were to share
> some responsibility if they got raped. Insults were then inflicted against
> those women who had spoke of there own experiences.
> Dave (supported by Randy) then went all out and started calling women, men
> manipulators, 'feminnazis'(sp) (or some such words). Randy then went and
> gave warnings (below)
>
> Quote from Randy:
> To all the women reading this discussion, I'd just like to point out
> here, that women will not be safer from rape, by thinking they're
> entitled to dress and act how they want, without sharing any
> responsibility for the consequence.
>
> To all the married women, I'd just like to point out that trying to
> insist on your "right" to say "no", won't help keep your husband from
> yielding to immoralities in society, Satan, and his own lack of self
> control, as 1 Corinthians 7:1-9 says "due" benevolence will, nor will
> it promote unity in your family, or a healthier relationship between
> you and your husband.
>
> You've been warned.
> ------------------------------------------
> The discussion then went on to the possibility of spousal rape.
>
> Now Ben, if I am correct, I think that you (like me) are sufficiently mature
> enough in years, to know that it is not always about what you say (or
> write), but how you say (or write) it.

How we write reveals whether GOD's love is in our hearts.

> The Law is good, but :
> 2Cor 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the
> letter but of the Spirit; *for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.*
>
> 1Cor 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the
> law.

Agree.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear brother

Vic whom I love unconditionally.

Vic

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Brother Andrew!

You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!

May you always abide in Him, and He in you.


"May GOD continue to heal our hearts"

Not a patching up with new cloth, on an old garment, nor a putting new wine
into old wineskins
"but they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved."

For when we are weak, then we are strong!!


Mark T

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Oct 10, 2006, 10:45:57 PM10/10/06
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"Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:

> Brother Andrew!
> You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!

If he's a blessing then I'd hate to see a curse!


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Stephen Knight

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On 10 Oct 2006 10:13:59 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:


>The light from a heart filled with GOD's love is indeed both true and a
>nightmare for creatures of darkness such as yourself and Roofshadow.

Barf....

Oh... Is that Mary in my Rainbow Yawn?...

Sorry. It happens every time I see intellectual suicide caused by
superstitious programming.

Smarmy know it all, pious better than all types, are totally
annoying.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 11, 2006, 7:01:12 AM10/11/06
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Vic wrote:

GOD's strength is made perfect in our weakness.

Remember that as brethren of Christ, we do not take sides but we do
stand at HIS side giving freely of ourselves to HIM as living
sacrifices, made to worship HIM 24/7/365 forever and ever.

HIS side is the right side.

"Cast your net over the right side ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen !

Laus Deo ! !

Marana tha ! ! !

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 11, 2006, 8:07:37 AM10/11/06
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Mark T wrote:
> "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Brother Andrew!
> > You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
>
> If he's a blessing then I'd hate to see a curse!

Such is the heart filled with hate.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor Mark whom I love uncondionally.

Jude Alexander

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Mark T wrote:
>> "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Brother Andrew!
>> > You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
>>
>> If he's a blessing then I'd hate to see a curse!
>
> Such is the heart filled with hate.

You don't get Mark. Mark isn't a hater. He's a joker.


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jude Alexander wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> > Mark T wrote:
> >> "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Brother Andrew!
> >> > You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
> >>
> >> If he's a blessing then I'd hate to see a curse!
> >
> > Such is the heart filled with hate.
>
> You don't get Mark. Mark isn't a hater. He's a joker.

It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
loving suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).

Instead, Mark remains in my prayers, in Jesus' most precious and holy
name.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear Jude
whom I love unconditionally.

Randy

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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:00:08 +0100,
in article <66SdnY4Ss7cwuLHY...@eclipse.net.uk>,
"Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:

>
>Brother Andrew!
>
>You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!

Translation: Thank God there's someone who supports my lies!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 11, 2006, 10:58:16 AM10/11/06
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Randy wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>
> >Brother Andrew!
> >
> >You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
>
> Translation: Thank God there's someone who supports my lies!

What is written plainly requires no translation.

Bottomline: You remain untruthful.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to repent,
dear neighbor Randy whom I love unconditionally.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 11, 2006, 3:28:34 PM10/11/06
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The wolves of a pack stick together:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e228ba1692acce5c?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor Ben whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?


Ben Mitts wrote:
> Vic wrote:
>
> ( Snipped)


> >>>Hi again Ben!
> >>>
> >>>Yes!
> >>>1 Cor 7:1-9 is a follow on from another discussion were, Dave and Randy
> >
> > went
> >
> >>>on a women bashing frenzy.
>

> No they didn't! Who told you this lie?


> >>>
> >>>TTBOMK it started with: women should dress moderately, or they were to
> >
> > share
> >
> >>>some responsibility if they got raped. Insults were then inflicted
> >
> > against
> >
> >>>those women who had spoke of there own experiences.
>

> Randy gave a perfectly clear and concise
> definition and reason for his statement!
> The Women took it from there with a lit-
> tle help from some other non-believers
> who knew nothing (still dont and will tell
> you they dont care either) about Gods
> Word and the reasons for Paul to write
> on immorality between men and women
> by giving instruction on marital sex in a
> Christian marriage. Those who started in
> on Dave and Randy were having nothing to
> do with Scriptures so they turned it all
> around and caused a flame war- one wom-
> en and one man started it all. Not Dave or
> Randy!


>
> >>>Dave (supported by Randy) then went all out and started
> >calling women, men manipulators, 'feminnazis'(sp) (or some
> >such words).
>

> When Dave gets provoked he says what he
> believes is right! They asked for it and he
> decided to let them know what kind of
> people they were- go read what they wrote
> for yourself if you dont believe this! The
> discussion turned into a womens lib conflag-
> ration where they never produced their own
> understanding of the particular Scripture
> in question. They took the messaging into
> other realms and then lost control over
> what they were doing and blamed it all on
> Randy and Dave! When Dave and Randy tried
> to get them involved with staying with Gods
> Word not one wanted to for whatever rea-
> son to discuss this subject, they all shied
> away and when some did they wound up mak-
> ing a mockery of Scripture! To my recollect-
> ion only one or two women tried to make an
> effort to understand what 1 Cor was saying
> and viola they begin to see why Dave and
> Randy were standing their ground.


>
>
> Randy then went and
> >>>gave warnings (below)
> >>>
> >>>Quote from Randy:
> >>>To all the women reading this discussion, I'd just like to point out
> >>>here, that women will not be safer from rape, by thinking they're
> >>>entitled to dress and act how they want, without sharing any
> >>>responsibility for the consequence.
> >>>
> >>>To all the married women, I'd just like to point out that trying to
> >>>insist on your "right" to say "no", won't help keep your husband from
> >>>yielding to immoralities in society, Satan, and his own lack of self
> >>>control, as 1 Corinthians 7:1-9 says "due" benevolence will, nor will
> >>>it promote unity in your family, or a healthier relationship between
> >>>you and your husband.
> >>>
> >>>You've been warned.
> >>>------------------------------------------
>

> I think he was within his right to give warn-
> ings to help/remind women that sometimes
> the way they dress/ed can and do cause ser-
> ious consequences where dressing the way
> some modern women (any women) choose
> to dress.


>
> >>>The discussion then went on to the possibility of spousal
> >>>rape.
> >>>
> >>>Now Ben, if I am correct, I think that you (like me) are
> >>>sufficiently mature enough in years, to know that it is not
> >>>always about what you say (or write), but how you say (or
> >>>write) it.
>

> Out here the law is be careful what you
> write because there are hundreds of law-
> yers who are ready willing and able to make
> a shambles over every thing that is written!
> In the case of this subject the professional
> lawyers didn't do their homework and blew it
> because they attempted to rattle on about
> something they knew nothing about. The sub-
> ject was dragged out from within the confines
> of Gods' Words (by even so called Christians
> themselves who were to lazy to read the Bible
> for themselves) so that they could be made a
> mockery of.


> >>>
> >>>The Law is good, but :
> >>>2Cor 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new
> >>>covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; *for the letter
> >>>kills, but the Spirit gives life.*
>
> >>>1Cor 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of
> >>>sin [is] the law.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>

> >>I thank you for thinking of me but I would
> >>remind you that I have been in on these
> >>many posts from day one! As usual you
> >>take the side you believe is right so you
> >>think David and Randy a rapists!
> >
> >
> > Oh now I see!
> > You wanted to start your own flame war.
>
> Your sick! This is exactly how people like
> you started the flame war to begin with! I
> said what I said because you never went
> back to drug out the original messages to see
> who did what, when, and to whom! You just
> picked a side and gunned it. And now your
> upset that not everybody is on the same
> page with you! Okay!
> >
> > Since you have been here since day one, I assume you are
> >suggesting that you have read all.
>
> About 98% Enough (pretty much all) to know
> who did what, and to whom, and why.
>
> > That being the case, you would be deliberatly making a false
> > accusation.
>
> How so? I just comment on what I see and
> read! Those who know me know that I dont
> just jump in and get my feet wet to be a part
> of any discussion! I wish more people would
> do this before getting into a message and
> making fools of themselves
>
> >You would have read were I cleary answered the question
> >asked by Randy and Dave. I clearly said that I did not agree
> >or accuse them of rape.
>
> Okay! if what you say is the truth then Dave
> or Randy will get back to me and verify it!
> Until then point me to where you make this
> statement originally and I will read it for my
> self, fair enough?
>
> ******************************************************************
> ******************************************************************
> >>But some how, you as well as others always held
> >>they believe, condone, and support rape of all kinds.
>
> Now you went to far and revealed you hidden
> agenda! Any damn fool out here has never ever
> read where I condone rape. I dont know if Dave
> accepts me as a true friend because we have
> had words in the past. But he and Randy know
> I never held any belief about them! The will be
> the first to tell you I would have been one of
> the very first out here to jump on them if I even
> had at the least inkling of such behavior
>
> You need to back away from this statement be-
> cause you are on dangerous ground with this
> statement! Go back an re-think what you just
> just said because with your statement I put you
> in with the rest of the people who caused this
> mess to balloon out of proportion just to have
> your jollys by making an buthead of yourself!
> Who put you up to this! Some one must have
> because it wasn't too intelligent on your part
> to think of it on your own.
> >
> >
> > Why are you lying?
>
> About what" About who? And too whom? You
> can speak plainer than this. Try it!
>
> When they cant muster anything more to try
> to bludgeon with, and they have run out of
> facts and figures to attempt to destroy with,
> they turn to the above and accuse people of
> lying! First of all I dont have to resort to lies
> Besides with the above foolishness you resort-
> ed too to just proves how little a man you are
> to make such a stupid statement!
>
> >
> >
> >>OWD got into the mix with his
> >>brand of evil and destroyed the women
> >>involved by disrupting their thinking! And
> >>no matter how much David and Randy tried
> >>no one wanted to believe them! And now
> >>you have joined their shark feeding frenzy!
> >
> >
> >
> > You again lie
> > Ask Dave and Randy if I supported the claims made against
> > them.
>
> There you go again! You dont have anything
> intelligent to say so you call me a liar! To
> you again I say prove it, or shut up!
> >
> >
> >
> >>Randy and David wanted to keep it all with
> >>in Scripture but you, as well as the others
> >>tried what ever way you could to keep it
> >>secular so you dont have to deal with Gods
> >>Word! You come along and start posting
> >>verses just like you think you are totally
> >>experienced with this subject and then take
> >>it upon yourself to tell me whats going on!
> >>Are you attempting to swing me over to your
> >>side?
> >
> >
> > Have you been on the ale?
> > You asked me my views doughnut.
>
> Like I said you dont have the intelligence to con-
> verse like an adult but I am willing to go the
> length of Truth and ask you to interpret 1 Cor
> 1:7-9 if you would be so kind! This would give me
> some idea of whether you think you are arguing
> from a Scriptural or secular standpoint! Right
> about now you give perfect evidence of not
> knowing you subject very well nor what The
> Bible has to say.
> >
> >
> >
> >>The Verses of Scripture involved in the dis-
> >>cussions out here involve Pauls answer to a
> >>question put forth to him! If one wants to
> >>accept Biblical understanding properly it is
> >>plain and simple he was speaking to sex in
> >>a Christian marriage (this is what Dave and
> >>Randy were doing also}. If you dont like this
> >>then you need to visit other translations to
> >>see how they render 1 Cor 7:1-9- the Verses
> >>in question! One of them actually use "deprive"
> >>instead of "due benevolence?
> >>
> >>A real eye opener!
> >
> >
> > Yeah sure Ben,
>
> You just showed your hidden agenda again! You
> dont know how to use Bibles and or use exegesis
> properly so you dont want to look for yourself. Its
> easier to follow others because you think they have
> already done the work. Your too blind to take it upon
> yourself to strike out and search other translations
> to see for yourself how the Verses in question are
> rendered! But you know for sure I'm wrong, right?
> Wrong!
>
> I dont know what is wrong with you people! One
> thing I do know is that if anyone anywhere were to
> challenge my knowledge and Bible expertise I cert-
> ainly would never call them liars unless I first went
> and studied all I could before opening my big mouth
> and remove all doubt as to how intelligent I was.
>
> Any good Christian would know to do this! It's in-
> stilled in us by virtue of indwelling of Gods Spirit
>
> You printed some Scripture in this message to me.
> Of what good is it if you dont know to make sure
> God is glorified in what you do when yo call any
> one a liar without proof! Your statement makes no
> sense what so ever if your going to take the side
> of evil instead of Gods own Elect! The Bible gives
> ample Scripture on how to approach a brother
> or sister if you suspect they may not have spoken
> Truth! Just calling them liars with out proof is
> useless and makes you look like fool!
>
> Goodbye!
>
>
> --
> Peace!
>
> Sincerely,
> Ben mitts
>
> "Feed your faith,.... Starve your doubts"
>
> From The Word of God: And as Moses lifted up the serpent
> in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted
> up; that whoever believes may in Him have eternal life."
> Similarly, God so loved the world, that He gave His only
> begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him should not
> perish, but Have eternal life. Another: God did not send
> the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the
> world should be saved through Him. He spoke elsewhere:
> I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me
> shall live, even if he dies, and everyone who lives and
> believes in Me shall never die. Believe you this?
>
> Therefore we may, as many will to do so: "But as many as
> received Him, to them He gave the right to become child-
> ren of God, even to those who believe in His name,"
> (John 1:12)

Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> The wolves of a pack stick together:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e228ba1692acce5c?
>
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
> understand this, dear neighbor Ben whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><

Isn't the whole "worship jesus" thing a little gay?

"Loving" some guy. Kneeling down before him. You know what I mean - it's G A
Y .

Why don't you invent some female thing to worship. I bet the number of
queers in society would decrease.

You could use bras' to genuflect to, instead of the cross.


Jude Alexander

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Jude Alexander wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> > Mark T wrote:
>> >> "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Brother Andrew!
>> >> > You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
>> >>
>> >> If he's a blessing then I'd hate to see a curse!
>> >
>> > Such is the heart filled with hate.
>>
>> You don't get Mark. Mark isn't a hater. He's a joker.
>
> It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
> loving suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).

It behooves us to judge in a way insofar as the good meaning of
discriminating. The other type of judgement as to who is going to be with
God and who isn't is not our job because we are so incredibly no fit or able
to do that job.

Just think of all the uncountable moments within a person's life and having
to be able to know thoroughly each one of those moments and the significance
of each of them upon the person and then balance those moments with all the
uncountable facts and partial facts known by that person as well with all
the uncountable unknowns and then mix all the aforementioned ingredients
with all the unlimited varients of priorities meshed with every though,
words and deed done by that same person to come up with a righteous
judgement.... we're not even capable of doing that for ONE person much less
those we come in contact with much less all that have come and gone and will
come and go. And who is that single person? Ourselves. So, it is my
conclusion that I put myself in the trust of God. It's God's show, no
matter if I do or don't.

However, having said that, it is right to confront some people concerning
certain issues that come up at the moment that is shared and sometimes it's
the right thing to just walk away.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jude Alexander wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> > Jude Alexander wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> > Mark T wrote:
> >> >> "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Brother Andrew!
> >> >> > You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
> >> >>
> >> >> If he's a blessing then I'd hate to see a curse!
> >> >
> >> > Such is the heart filled with hate.
> >>
> >> You don't get Mark. Mark isn't a hater. He's a joker.
> >
> > It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
> > loving suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
>
> It behooves us to judge in a way insofar as the good meaning of
> discriminating.

That would be your choice arising from your own free will.

"It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to
convict, and my job to love." -- Reverend Billy Graham

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Kurt Gavin wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> > The wolves of a pack stick together:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e228ba1692acce5c?
> >
> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
> > understand this, dear neighbor Ben whom I love unconditionally.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >
> > Andrew <><
>
> Isn't the whole "worship jesus" thing a little gay?

No.

> "Loving" some guy.

Love is not lust.

> Kneeling down before him.

HE is KING of kings and LORD of lords.

> You know what I mean - it's G A Y .

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

> Why don't you invent some female thing to worship.

Idolatry is a sin.

> I bet the number of queers in society would decrease.

Such is your heart which is filled with hate.

> You could use bras' to genuflect to, instead of the cross.

Prayer requires no man-made objects.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor Kurt whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><

Jude Alexander

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Jude Alexander wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> > Jude Alexander wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> > Mark T wrote:
>> >> >> "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Brother Andrew!
>> >> >> > You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If he's a blessing then I'd hate to see a curse!
>> >> >
>> >> > Such is the heart filled with hate.
>> >>
>> >> You don't get Mark. Mark isn't a hater. He's a joker.
>> >
>> > It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
>> > loving suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
>>
>> It behooves us to judge in a way insofar as the good meaning of
>> discriminating.
>
> That would be your choice arising from your own free will.

No, there is a good discriminating. Don't be messing around. Think about
it! Do I have to explain it to you? Come on, now.

You snipped away my post which changed the meaning of my post. I don't like
that a bit.

We have to judge in a particular way throughout our day and I'm not talking
about the "final" judgement type of judgement --- THAT was clear from my
post WHICH YOU CLIPPED OFF!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jude Alexander wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> > Jude Alexander wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> > Jude Alexander wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> > Mark T wrote:
> >> >> >> "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Brother Andrew!
> >> >> >> > You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If he's a blessing then I'd hate to see a curse!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Such is the heart filled with hate.
> >> >>
> >> >> You don't get Mark. Mark isn't a hater. He's a joker.
> >> >
> >> > It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
> >> > loving suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
> >>
> >> It behooves us to judge in a way insofar as the good meaning of
> >> discriminating.
> >
> > That would be your choice arising from your own free will.
>
> No, there is a good discriminating.

It remains my choice to refrain from judging others and love them
instead.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Jude whom I
love unconditionally

Jude Alexander

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1160607489.2...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> Jude Alexander wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> > Jude Alexander wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> > Jude Alexander wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >> > Mark T wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Brother Andrew!
>> >> >> >> > You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of
>> >> >> >> > Christ!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If he's a blessing then I'd hate to see a curse!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Such is the heart filled with hate.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You don't get Mark. Mark isn't a hater. He's a joker.
>> >> >
>> >> > It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
>> >> > loving suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
>> >>
>> >> It behooves us to judge in a way insofar as the good meaning of
>> >> discriminating.
>> >
>> > That would be your choice arising from your own free will.
>>
>> No, there is a good discriminating.
>
> It remains my choice to refrain from judging others and love them
> instead.

I guess I'll have to teach you something. Geez. One judges and necessarily
so, Andrew, if you meet someone, let's say, who is a thug and he asked you
to pal around him with his buddys. The second you perceive that this is a
person you don't want to have close contact THAT IS CALLED GOOD
DISCRIMINATION! it has NOTHING to do with the type of judgement you pretend
I'm talking about.

I'm NOT talking about whether you think that same thug is headed toward
damnation. You haven't the slightly clue if he is or isn't or what is in
his future. However, it is also okay to tell such a person that he could
use some re-evaluation of his life.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Many judged Apostle Paul to be a thug in his time so that they would
have nothing to do with him. Thus, they became part of the "LORD,
LORD..." crowd that Christ Jesus will turn away...

"I do not know you. Depart from ME you evil doers." -- LORD Jesus
Christ

Amen.

"Those who do the will of MY Father are MY family." -- LORD Jesus
Christ

Amen !

Laus Deo ! !

Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor Jude whom I love unconditionally.

Mark T

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"Jude Alexander" wrote:

> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote

...


>> It remains my choice to refrain from judging others and love them
>> instead.
>
> I guess I'll have to teach you something. Geez. One judges and
> necessarily so


Would Andrew let Bin Laden walk the streets of New York as a free man
without being judged?

Would Andrew let Adolf Hitler out of a Nuremburg trial (if he had lived)
andf resettled him in Jerusalem in an act of love?

Some fundamentalists are plain crazy!!!!

###########################################################

"... biblical fundamentalism ... has endorsed slavery, oppressed women,
justified wars, opposed scientific knowledge and persecuted homosexual
people."

John Shelby Spong's "The Sins of Scripture: Exposing the Bible's Texts of
Hate to Reveal the God of Love" (HarperCollins: 2005) p.220

############################################################

Vic

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"Randy" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:00:08 +0100,
> in article <66SdnY4Ss7cwuLHY...@eclipse.net.uk>,
> "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >Brother Andrew!
> >
> >You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
>
> Translation: Thank God there's someone who supports my lies!

Were is your cult pastor friend?

Jude Alexander

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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What has THAT goe to do with what is going on between you and I?

The fact remains is that you pretended all along that I was using the word
"judgement" as if it applied to what belong to God alone, and that is who
belongs to Him or not.

You judge. Why do you judge? Because you use the bible to judge. Yet the
biblical authors claimed God not only condoned slavery but gave "rules" in
which to live by and they were racist insofar that Jewish slaves had a 7
year limit on their slavery whereas non-Jewish slaves had no such chance.

Paul NEVER gave refruge to the 2 slaves (which is what one was supposed to
do according to Moses' law) that came to him. All that pretender did was
tell the owners to treat them well. NEVER A SINGLE WORD about the innate
evilness of people owning other people.

Oh, but you worship a God that is described as hating one and loving the
other. Yet, this is in direct contrast to Jesus reported to have said "to
draw ALL men to Him." There is no hatred there of ANY individual.

You're just ONE MORE BORING fundaMENTAL who believes he's privy to "all
truth" and has to live under MASSIVE delusions to continue to believe so the
more years he/she lives.


Mark T

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"Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:

> "Randy" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

....


>> Translation: Thank God there's someone who supports my lies!
>
> Were is your cult pastor friend?


Which one? There are SO many of the buggers!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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> >> so, Andrew, if you meet someone, let's say, who is a **thug** and he asked

**emphasis** added

> >> you
> >> to pal around him with his buddys. The second you perceive that this is
> >> a
> >> person you don't want to have close contact THAT IS CALLED GOOD
> >> DISCRIMINATION! it has NOTHING to do with the type of judgement you
> >> pretend
> >> I'm talking about.
> >

> > Many judged Apostle Paul to be a **thug** in his time so that they would

**emphasis** added again.

> > have nothing to do with him. Thus, they became part of the "LORD,
> > LORD..." crowd that Christ Jesus will turn away...
>
> What has THAT goe to do with what is going on between you and I?

See **emphasis** in the two places above.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Jude whom I

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Vic wrote:
> "Randy" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dgvpi25c6940ka7i1...@pulpitfire.org...
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:00:08 +0100,
> > in article <66SdnY4Ss7cwuLHY...@eclipse.net.uk>,
> > "Vic" <som...@home.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Brother Andrew!
> > >
> > >You are a blessing to me, and many others in the Body of Christ!
> >
> > Translation: Thank God there's someone who supports my lies!
>
> Where is your cult pastor friend?

Perhaps the light from these uncovered lamps is getting too bright for
him.

Let us continue to pray for Pastor Dave (Giant Waffle), in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear brother

Jude Alexander

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"Mark T" <th@twontwork897455983985986988574549968> wrote in message
news:452d...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

> "Jude Alexander" wrote:
>
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote
> ...
>>> It remains my choice to refrain from judging others and love them
>>> instead.
>>
>> I guess I'll have to teach you something. Geez. One judges and
>> necessarily so
>
>
> Would Andrew let Bin Laden walk the streets of New York as a free man
> without being judged?

I tell, this crazy lil fellow Andrew is a specialized tap dancer. The
little pisser clipped my posts TO DEATH in such a way as to PURPOSEFULLY
change their meaning!.... AND pretended I was always talking about judging
(as in God's job) rather than making a judgement call. THEN the twitter
accuses ME of being dishonest later on and when he was proven wrong about
one of his states about a guy named Ace, he doesn't post a thing.... just
deletes the whole reference!!! Gee, I hate dealing with the more massively
dishonest Fundie. All you have to do with these numbnuts is tweak them just
a little and all the hypocrisy comes flowing out and it's almost ALWAYS the
same exact way... whatever they accuse you of is the EXACT thing they're
doing. I've yet to understand that phenonmenon but it's so common.

> Would Andrew let Adolf Hitler out of a Nuremburg trial (if he had lived)
> andf resettled him in Jerusalem in an act of love?

Andrew loves unconditionally... Let's not mention how humanly impossible
that.


>
> Some fundamentalists are plain crazy!!!!

Yeah, Andrew quotes what the "Holy Spirit" says .... as in TODAY, not from
the bible....

Jude Alexander

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Listen, you little man (and I mean not in stature), you've clipped my words
so badly that it would take some effort to reply. I would literally have to
go back and insert all of my words you have cut out to make a TRUTHFUL
representation of our interaction.

It is YOU who made this dishonest attempt to change the natural course of
our conversation.

I don't believe you have unconditional love and I know the "Holy Spirit"
doesn't speak to you personally so that you can actually quote a non
existent 3 "person" in God.

You're just ONE MORE BORING endless FundaMENTAL. Just one more after the
thousands of others I've interacted with and who, for the majority (not
all) pretty much tap dance your dance of hypocrisy.


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jude Alexander wrote:
> Listen, you little man (and I mean not in stature), you've clipped my words
> so badly that it would take some effort to reply.

It remains my choice to cross only those bridges I reach.

Sorry my choice bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.

Jude Alexander

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Jude Alexander wrote:
>> Listen, you little man (and I mean not in stature), you've clipped my
>> words
>> so badly that it would take some effort to reply.
>
> It remains my choice to cross only those bridges I reach.
>
> Sorry my choice bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
> iniquities.

It would bother you also if I clipped most of your words and sometimes do so
little pass MID SENTENCE and then proceed to respond to those clipped words
in an erroneous manner.


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jude Alexander wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> > Jude Alexander wrote:
> >> Listen, you little man (and I mean not in stature), you've clipped my
> >> words
> >> so badly that it would take some effort to reply.
> >
> > It remains my choice to cross only those bridges I reach.
> >
> > Sorry my choice bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
> > iniquities.
>
> It would bother you also if I clipped most of your words and sometimes do so
> little pass MID SENTENCE and then proceed to respond to those clipped words
> in an erroneous manner.

It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).

Only HIS peace passes all worldly understanding.

Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1160604448.9...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...

> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> > The wolves of a pack stick together:
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e228ba1692acce5c?
>> >
>> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
>> > understand this, dear neighbor Ben whom I love unconditionally.
>> >
>> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >
>> > Andrew <><
>>
>> Isn't the whole "worship jesus" thing a little gay?
>
> No.
>
>> "Loving" some guy.
>
> Love is not lust.
>
>> Kneeling down before him.
>
> HE is KING of kings and LORD of lords.
>
>> You know what I mean - it's G A Y .
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
>> Why don't you invent some female thing to worship.
>
> Idolatry is a sin.

But you already violate that commandment worshipping jebus and the crucifix
idol and all that.


>> I bet the number of queers in society would decrease.

God hates queers. You just make up whatever you want to "believe". God hates
queers and it's in the bible.


> Such is your heart which is filled with hate.


Your mind is filled with falsity.


>
>> You could use bras' to genuflect to, instead of the cross.
>
> Prayer requires no man-made objects.

Crucifixs? Duh?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Kurt Gavin wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> > The wolves of a pack stick together:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e228ba1692acce5c?
> >> >
> >> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
> >> > understand this, dear neighbor Ben whom I love unconditionally.
> >> >
> >> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >> >
> >> > Andrew <><
> >>
> >> Isn't the whole "worship jesus" thing a little gay?
> >
> > No.
> >
> >> "Loving" some guy.
> >
> > Love is not lust.
> >
> >> Kneeling down before him.
> >
> > HE is KING of kings and LORD of lords.
> >
> >> You know what I mean - it's G A Y .
> >
> > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >
> >> Why don't you invent some female thing to worship.
> >
> > Idolatry is a sin.
>
> But you already violate that commandment worshipping jebus and the crucifix
> idol and all that.

The LORD is not an idol.

> >> I bet the number of queers in society would decrease.
>
> God hates queers. You just make up whatever you want to "believe". God hates
> queers and it's in the bible.

Your bet.

> > Such is your heart which is filled with hate.
>
> Your mind is filled with falsity.

You're projecting.

> >> You could use bras' to genuflect to, instead of the cross.
> >
> > Prayer requires no man-made objects.
>
> Crucifixs?

No.

> Duh?

It seems you are anencephalic.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Kurt whom I

Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1160620099....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> > The wolves of a pack stick together:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e228ba1692acce5c?
>> >> >
>> >> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
>> >> > understand this, dear neighbor Ben whom I love unconditionally.
>> >> >
>> >> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >> >
>> >> > Andrew <><
>> >>
>> >> Isn't the whole "worship jesus" thing a little gay?
>> >
>> > No.
>> >
>> >> "Loving" some guy.
>> >
>> > Love is not lust.
>> >
>> >> Kneeling down before him.
>> >
>> > HE is KING of kings and LORD of lords.
>> >
>> >> You know what I mean - it's G A Y .
>> >
>> > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>> >
>> >> Why don't you invent some female thing to worship.
>> >
>> > Idolatry is a sin.
>>
>> But you already violate that commandment worshipping jebus and the
>> crucifix
>> idol and all that.
>
> The LORD is not an idol.

You're speaking nonsense. You define an inanimate object as "lord" then you
think it's ok to genuflect to it.

Nonsense. A cross or crucifix is an idol.

>> >> I bet the number of queers in society would decrease.
>>
>> God hates queers. You just make up whatever you want to "believe". God
>> hates
>> queers and it's in the bible.
>
> Your bet.


????


>
>> > Such is your heart which is filled with hate.
>>
>> Your mind is filled with falsity.
>
> You're projecting.

No, I'm analysing what you say.

>
>> >> You could use bras' to genuflect to, instead of the cross.
>> >
>> > Prayer requires no man-made objects.
>>
>> Crucifixs?
>
> No.

All churchs have them, you fool.


>
>> Duh?
>
> It seems you are anencephalic.


You're a religious wacko with no better arguments than to defend your
fantsy, than to pretend honest people are crazy.

You are a nut and a liar.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 12, 2006, 3:46:54 AM10/12/06
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I have written plainly.

> You define an inanimate object as "lord" then you
> think it's ok to genuflect to it.

HE is not inanimate.

> Nonsense.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ

> A cross or crucifix is an idol.

No. It is a gravemarker:

http://tinyurl.com/h4qpn

> >> >> I bet the number of queers in society would decrease.
> >>
> >> God hates queers. You just make up whatever you want to "believe". God
> >> hates
> >> queers and it's in the bible.
> >
> > Your bet.
>
> ????

Sorry you are unable to understand what I have written plainly.

> >> > Such is your heart which is filled with hate.
> >>
> >> Your mind is filled with falsity.
> >
> > You're projecting.
>
> No, I'm analysing what you say.

That is not what I discern.

> >> >> You could use bras' to genuflect to, instead of the cross.
> >> >
> >> > Prayer requires no man-made objects.
> >>
> >> Crucifixs?
> >
> > No.
>
> All churchs have them, you fool.

See above.

> >> Duh?
> >
> > It seems you are anencephalic.
>
> You're a religious wacko with no better arguments than to defend your
> fantsy, than to pretend honest people are crazy.

Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.

> You are a nut and a liar.

Again, name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/19da116460fdbc3a?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Kurt whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><

Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1160639214.1...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

Nobody in the world thinks you write plainly. You are delusional.


>
>> You define an inanimate object as "lord" then you
>> think it's ok to genuflect to it.
>
> HE is not inanimate.

I was refering to the cross, but whatshisname was killed over 1900 years
ago - he's inanimate too.


>
>> Nonsense.
>
> "I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
>> A cross or crucifix is an idol.
>
> No. It is a gravemarker:

You avoid speaking to the issue, as usual. Xian delusionals pray to the
cross, which an idol, which is against one of the commandments given to
moses.


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 12, 2006, 12:39:30 PM10/12/06
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Kurt Gavin wrote (edited for truthfulness):
> Nobody of this world thinks you write plainly.

Correct.

Just as our LORD is not of this world, we, the brethren of Christ
Jesus, reborn of HIS living water and the Holy Spirt, are no longer of
this world.

Those who are not of this world cannot be understood by those who
remain of this world.

"The light shines into the darkness but the darkness has not understood
HIM." -- Holy Spirit.

Amen !

Laus Deo ! !

Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><

Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1160671170.7...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

You're doctoring the post. Here's what I wrote:
" Nobody in the world thinks you write plainly. You are delusional. "

>
> Correct.
>
> Just as our LORD is not of this world, we, the brethren of Christ
> Jesus, reborn of HIS living water and the Holy Spirt, are no longer of
> this world.

Mental institutions are full of people who think like you.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 13, 2006, 6:38:16 AM10/13/06
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It was my choice to edit what you have written to make it more
truthful.

> Here's what I wrote: " Nobody in the world thinks you write plainly. You are delusional. "

Clearly untruthful.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
to fall on your sword.

This victory is HIS.

Laus Deo ! !

> > Just as our LORD is not of this world, we, the brethren of Christ
> > Jesus, reborn of HIS living water and the Holy Spirt, are no longer of
> > this world.
>
> Mental institutions are full of people who think like you.

It seems you write from personal experience.

Would suggest you surrender to HIM before you dismember yourself.

"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
beaten." -- Holy Spirit

Amen.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor Kurt whom I love unconditionally

Message has been deleted

Ros

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You've got to admit it, Kurt, Andrew ties you up in knots!!

Ros

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 13, 2006, 7:55:10 AM10/13/06
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> You've got to admit it, Kurt, Andrew ties you up in knots!!

It's not my doing but HIS doing.

This victory is HIS.

Laus Deo ! !

Marana tha ! ! !

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
Ros whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><

Archie Leach

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Oct 13, 2006, 8:29:48 AM10/13/06
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
>beaten." -- Holy Spirit

Name calling, and x-posting this to auk, simply shows that you remain
lost.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 13, 2006, 9:19:56 AM10/13/06
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Archie Leach wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit

Amen. This victory remains HIS.

Laus Deo ! !

Marana tha ! ! ! !

> Name calling

It is your choice to wear the shoe that fits.

>, and x-posting this to auk

In truth, this post is on-topic for AUK:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?

> , simply shows that you remain lost.

You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision by describing his
location to the seeing.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor Archie whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><

Nechesh

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Oct 13, 2006, 9:32:45 AM10/13/06
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Andrew the Dishonest wrote:
> Mark T wrote:
> >
> > Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.
>
> That would depend on which verses of the Bible you are citing.
>

That is a lie. You are lying.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 13, 2006, 10:05:12 AM10/13/06
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Nechesh wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> > Mark T wrote:
> > >
> > > Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.
> >
> > That would depend on which verses of the Bible you are citing.
>
> That is a lie.

No:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/19da116460fdbc3a?

> You are lying.

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

Sorry my choice bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Al Klein

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Oct 13, 2006, 12:43:45 PM10/13/06
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On 13 Oct 2006 07:05:12 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

It would be nice if, just once, you exercised that choice.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 13, 2006, 2:26:39 PM10/13/06
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Al Klein wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>
> >It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
>
> It would be nice if, just once, you exercised that choice.

Sorry my writing plainly does not help you comprehend what I have
written. Please forgive all my iniquities.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you more time to
understand this, dear neighbor Al whom I love unconditionally.

Al Klein

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On 13 Oct 2006 03:38:16 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Kurt Gavin wrote:

>> You're doctoring the post.

>It was my choice to edit what you have written to make it more
>truthful.

On Usenet that's called being dishonest. Which is admirable for a
Christian, since you're told that to lie for Jesus is not a sin.

>> Here's what I wrote: " Nobody in the world thinks you write plainly. You are delusional. "

>Clearly untruthful.

Clearly. You have a few steps to go (in a direction toward sanity)
before you reach delusional.

>> Mental institutions are full of people who think like you.

>It seems you write from personal experience.

He's probably known a few. You probably aren't the only one who
escaped.


--
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"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography

Al Klein

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On 13 Oct 2006 04:51:34 -0700, "Ros" <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote:

>You've got to admit it, Kurt, Andrew ties you up in knots!!

That's just from Kurt's shaking his head in wonderment that something
with such little brain function can remain alive. Slime mold is a few
steps up the evolutionary ladder from Andy.


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soul's place in hell, so yours could go to Heaven. Don't hold your breath."
- John Popelish

Al Klein

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Oct 13, 2006, 5:03:55 PM10/13/06
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On 13 Oct 2006 06:19:56 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Archie Leach wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
>> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit
>
>Amen. This victory remains HIS.

Talking to yourself again, Andy. A bad sign.


--
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human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]

Al Klein

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Oct 13, 2006, 5:24:34 PM10/13/06
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On 13 Oct 2006 11:26:39 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Al Klein wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>> >It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
>>
>> It would be nice if, just once, you exercised that choice.
>
>Sorry my writing plainly does not help you comprehend what I have
>written. Please forgive all my iniquities.

If that's all it was, no problem. But I can't forgive someone who
insists on remaining ignorant when he has the choice to lose his
ignorance. That's not why you have a large brain.


--
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"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
- ENN...@deimos.ucs.umass.edu Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)

Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message

>> >> >


>> >> > I have written plainly.
>> >>
>> >> Nobody of this world thinks you write plainly.
>>
>> You're doctoring the post.
>
> It was my choice to edit what you have written to make it more
> truthful.

That's consistent with your whole made up jesus fantasy. Pretend something
is "true", then alter reality to fit it.


>
>> Here's what I wrote: " Nobody in the world thinks you write plainly. You
>> are delusional. "
>
> Clearly untruthful.

LOL.


Kurt Gavin

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"Ros" <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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>
> You've got to admit it, Kurt, Andrew ties you up in knots!!

I assume you're being ironic.


>
> Ros
>


Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1160745596....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

> Archie Leach wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
>> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit
>
> Amen. This victory remains HIS.

You mean the satanic demon getting you to break commandments about "other
gods" and worshipping idols, like the cross?


Kurt Gavin

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Oct 13, 2006, 5:50:42 PM10/13/06
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"Ros" <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message

>> > Just as our LORD is not of this world, we, the brethren of Christ


>> > Jesus, reborn of HIS living water and the Holy Spirt, are no longer of
>> > this world.
>>
>> Mental institutions are full of people who think like you.
>>
>

> You've got to admit it, Kurt, Andrew ties you up in knots!!

I'm afraid not, and it's a little odd that anybody would think he does.


>
> Ros
>


Al Klein

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Oct 13, 2006, 7:59:39 PM10/13/06
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:45:36 GMT, "Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com>
wrote:

>
>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have written plainly.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nobody of this world thinks you write plainly.
>>>
>>> You're doctoring the post.
>>
>> It was my choice to edit what you have written to make it more
>> truthful.
>
>That's consistent with your whole made up jesus fantasy. Pretend something
>is "true", then alter reality to fit it.

It's the Usenet version of the straw man fallacy - make your opponent
have said what you want and refute it.


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about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
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Oct 13, 2006, 9:37:14 PM10/13/06
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Al Klein wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> >Archie Leach wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
> >> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit
> >
> >Amen. This victory remains HIS.
>
> Talking to yourself again, Andy.

I am not the Holy Spirit.

> A bad sign.

It remains my choice to refrain from judging you per the kind and
helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Al whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?


Stephen Knight

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Oct 13, 2006, 10:37:41 PM10/13/06
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On 13 Oct 2006 06:19:56 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Archie Leach wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
>> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit
>
>Amen. This victory remains HIS.

Pathetic. You're like Yosemite Sam saying he beat the Rabbit.

Make believe is your gig. You have nothing.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Stephen Knight

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Oct 13, 2006, 10:44:25 PM10/13/06
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On 13 Oct 2006 18:37:14 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Al Klein wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Archie Leach wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
>> >> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit
>> >
>> >Amen. This victory remains HIS.
>>
>> Talking to yourself again, Andy.
>
>I am not the Holy Spirit.

To those that know you're an asshole, you come off as a holy
roller, pious, superior fuck stain that thinks he's better than anyone
else because the only response you have to a direct question is a
weasel.

Of course you have an appropriate, religious reply that means
nothing to a normal human. You only play to the brainwashed zombies of
your ilk.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 14, 2006, 4:29:05 AM10/14/06
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Stephen Knight wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> >Archie Leach wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
> >> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit
> >
> >Amen. This victory remains HIS.
>
> Pathetic.

Victory is not pathetic.

> You're like Yosemite Sam saying he beat the Rabbit.

Your believing that I am a fictional character is consistent with your
unbelief concerning GOD Who created you.

> Make believe is your gig.

Not for the discerning.

> You have nothing.

You are projecting.

Consider yourself utterly vanquished.

Again, this amazing victory is entirely GOD's.

Laus Deo ! !

Marana tha ! ! !

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear neighbor Steve whom I love unconditionally.

Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message > --

> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

CHUNG - You are condemned, harken:

Deuteronomy 13

1 If there arise in the midst of you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and
he give you a sign or a wonder,

2 and the sign or the wonder come to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying,
"Let us go after other gods" (which you have not known) "and let us serve
them;"

3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or to that dreamer of
dreams: for Yahweh your God proves you, to know whether you love Yahweh your
God with all your heart and with all your soul.

4 You shall walk after Yahweh your God, and fear him, and keep his
commandments, and obey his voice, and you shall serve him, and cleave to
him.

5 That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he
has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the
land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you
aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you
shall put away the evil from the midst of you.

6 If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or
the wife of your bosom, or your friend, who is as your own soul, entice you
secretly, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," which you have not
known, you, nor your fathers;

7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near to you, or far off
from you, from the one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth;

8 you shall not consent to him, nor listen to him; neither shall your eye
pity him, neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him:

9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first on him to put him
to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 You shall stone him to death with stones, because he has sought to draw
you away from Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out
of the house of bondage.

11 All Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall not do any more such
wickedness as this is in the midst of you.

12 If you shall hear tell concerning one of your cities, which Yahweh your
God gives you to dwell there, saying,

13 Certain base fellows are gone out from the midst of you, and have drawn
away the inhabitants of their city, saying, "Let us go and serve other
gods," which you have not known;

14 then you shall inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold,
if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is done in the
midst of you,

15 you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the
sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein and its livestock,
with the edge of the sword.

16 You shall gather all its spoil into the midst of its street, and shall
burn with fire the city, and all its spoil every whit, to Yahweh your God:
and it shall be a heap forever; it shall not be built again.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Kurt Gavin wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
>
> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>
> CHUNG - You are condemned, harken:

Yahweh is GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Amen.

May GOD continue to bless the writing of HIS Word in these usenet
newsgroups, in the holy name of HIS one and only begotten Son, LORD
Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer terribly and die horribly on the
cross in order to save us from our deadly sins.

Amen !

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS rising up on
that fantastic third day ! !

Laus Deo ! ! ! ! !

Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/78641552d1eeac98?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor Kurt whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><


--
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Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?

Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
>>
>> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
>> > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
>> > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>>
>> CHUNG - You are condemned, harken:
>
> Yahweh is GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

You and your ilk play word games.

The point of this is that there is just Yahweh, nothing else, and you are
condemned for following a false prophet.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Kurt Gavin wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
> >>
> >> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> >> > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> >> > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> >>
> >> CHUNG - You are condemned, harken:
> >
> > Yahweh is GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
>
> You and your ilk play word games.

Playing games is not my style.

> The point of this is that there is just Yahweh, nothing else

Glad to see that you are coming around to believing in GOD the Father,


the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
to reject atheism.

> , and you are condemned for following a false prophet.

Actually, LORD Jesus Christ is infinitely more than a prophet as you
well know.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen !

Laus Deo ! !

Marana tha ! ! !

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you the additional
time you need to understand this, dear neighbor Kurt whom I love

Kurt Gavin

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
>> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
>> >> > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
>> >> > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>> >>
>> >> CHUNG - You are condemned, harken:
>> >
>> > Yahweh is GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
>>
>> You and your ilk play word games.
>
> Playing games is not my style.
>
>> The point of this is that there is just Yahweh, nothing else
>
> Glad to see that you are coming around to believing in GOD the Father,
> the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


Within your the bible, that you claim to take seriously, there is a passage
warning against doing what you and other xians do. It was written more than
1000 years before your false prophet appeared. It's very clear, and word
games don't solve it for you, or remove the illogic and foolishness of your
xian fantasies.

Here it is:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Kurt Gavin wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
> >> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> >> >> > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> >> >> > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> >> >>
> >> >> CHUNG - You are condemned, harken:
> >> >
> >> > Yahweh is GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
> >>
> >> You and your ilk play word games.
> >
> > Playing games is not my style.
> >
> >> The point of this is that there is just Yahweh, nothing else
> >
> > Glad to see that you are coming around to believing in GOD the Father,
> > the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
> >
> > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
> > to reject atheism.

<protestations snipped>

And so you have been vanquished. This victory is GOD's.

Laus Deo ! ! !

Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to


understand this, dear neighbor Kurt whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the


unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?

Kurt Gavin

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CHUNG, BEHOLD:

Deuteronomy was written over 1000 years before the false prophet jesus.

Yahweh would have known if he was going to send any "son" to mankind, which
only makes the following more absolute and condemning of your xian heresy.

>

Al Klein

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On 13 Oct 2006 18:37:14 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Al Klein wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Archie Leach wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
>> >> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit
>> >
>> >Amen. This victory remains HIS.
>>
>> Talking to yourself again, Andy.
>
>I am not the Holy Spirit.

You're not even someone who can follow a written conversation.

>It remains my choice to refrain from judging you per the kind and
>helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).

It also remains your choice to choose the worst death known to
mankind, which is what you've done. So be it. Free will, and all
that.
--

rukbat at optonline dot net

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus
was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]

Al Klein

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:44:25 -0700, Stephen Knight
<woo...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Of course you have an appropriate, religious reply that means
>nothing to a normal human. You only play to the brainwashed zombies of
>your ilk.

Even the brainwashed zombies laugh at him behind his back.
--

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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Al Klein wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> >Al Klein wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >Archie Leach wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
> >> >> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit
> >> >
> >> >Amen. This victory remains HIS.
> >>
> >> Talking to yourself again, Andy.
> >
> >I am not the Holy Spirit.
>
> You're not even someone who can follow a written conversation.

Such is the light of GOD's love coming from my heart, it draws people
like you out of the shadows even when there is no written conversation.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/78641552d1eeac98?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor Al whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?

> >It remains my choice to refrain from judging you per the kind and

Stephen Knight

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On 14 Oct 2006 01:29:05 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Stephen Knight wrote:

>> Pathetic.
>
>Victory is not pathetic.
>
>> You're like Yosemite Sam saying he beat the Rabbit.
>
>Your believing that I am a fictional character is consistent with your
>unbelief concerning GOD Who created you.
>
>> Make believe is your gig.
>
>Not for the discerning.
>
>> You have nothing.
>
>You are projecting.
>
>Consider yourself utterly vanquished.

You mutter about how you don't judge and get hysterical about not
being a god yet you 'utterly vanquish' me by your pious, superior
judgment.

Your god ego trip is wearing thin. You'll do what you always do,
deny you're the god. You'll do this because of the serious mental
disorder you suffer from. Which is.....

Ignorant superstition. You're convinced you're some sort of
specially 'gifted from god' sickwit that knows his mind. The mind of a
made up fictional character no less.

We have one thing in common. I know how Bugs Bunny thinks.

You have nothing. You never will. You're just a worthless, less
than a man, scared mental weakling. Hoping and wishing his way through
life.

Pathetic. OH! ... Wait! That's victory to you.

Ha ha ha

(does your wife have a fat butt?...)

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Al Klein

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On 14 Oct 2006 17:08:25 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Al Klein wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Al Klein wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >Archie Leach wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >"It is the fool who does not know to surrender when he has been
>> >> >> >beaten." -- Holy Spirit
>> >> >
>> >> >Amen. This victory remains HIS.
>> >>
>> >> Talking to yourself again, Andy.
>> >
>> >I am not the Holy Spirit.
>>
>> You're not even someone who can follow a written conversation.
>
>Such is the light of GOD's love coming from my heart, it draws people
>like you out of the shadows even when there is no written conversation.

That's not your god's love, "Doctor", it's my sadism. I'm just
waiting for your head to explode.

As Doctor Hildner said, what you did "speaks loudly and clearly about
your perception of reality". And he was being kind.
Christocardiology? Witch-doctery? It's the 21st century, Doctor" -
sane people no longer believe in faith healing.


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"Stephen Knight" <woo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On 14 Oct 2006 01:29:05 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>>Stephen Knight wrote:
>
>>> Pathetic.
>>
>>Victory is not pathetic.
>>
>>> You're like Yosemite Sam saying he beat the Rabbit.
>>
>>Your believing that I am a fictional character is consistent with your
>>unbelief concerning GOD Who created you.
>>
>>> Make believe is your gig.
>>
>>Not for the discerning.
>>
>>> You have nothing.
>>
>>You are projecting.
>>
>>Consider yourself utterly vanquished.
>
> You mutter about how you don't judge and get hysterical about not
> being a god yet you 'utterly vanquish' me by your pious, superior
> judgment.

Here's all the reasons you need to FOAD.

>
> Your god ego trip is wearing thin. You'll do what you always do,

Is your kook ego better than anything?

> deny you're the god. You'll do this because of the serious mental
> disorder you suffer from. Which is.....
>
> Ignorant superstition. You're convinced you're some sort of
> specially 'gifted from god' sickwit that knows his mind. The mind of a
> made up fictional character no less.

Unlike your making up thousands of names and acting like multiple human
waste.

>
> We have one thing in common. I know how Bugs Bunny thinks.
>
> You have nothing. You never will. You're just a worthless, less

Lay your thing on the cutting board and let us see it first.

The Demon Prince of Absurdity

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:48:19 -0700, Ros did the cha-cha, and screamed:
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote...
>> > Kurt Gavin wrote (edited for truthfulness):
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > The wolves of a pack stick together:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e228ba1692acce5c?

>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you
>> >> >> >> >> > time to
>> >> >> >> >> > understand this, dear neighbor Ben whom I love

>> >> >> >> >> > unconditionally.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Andrew <><
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Isn't the whole "worship jesus" thing a little gay?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > No.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "Loving" some guy.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Love is not lust.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Kneeling down before him.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > HE is KING of kings and LORD of lords.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> You know what I mean - it's G A Y .
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Why don't you invent some female thing to worship.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Idolatry is a sin.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> But you already violate that commandment worshipping jebus and
>> >> >> >> the crucifix
>> >> >> >> idol and all that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The LORD is not an idol.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You're speaking nonsense.

>> >> >
>> >> > I have written plainly.
>> >>
>> >> Nobody of this world thinks you write plainly.
>>
>> You're doctoring the post. Here's what I wrote: " Nobody in the world
>> thinks you write plainly. You are delusional. "
>>
>>
>> > Correct.

>> >
>> > Just as our LORD is not of this world, we, the brethren of Christ
>> > Jesus, reborn of HIS living water and the Holy Spirt, are no longer of
>> > this world.
>>
>> Mental institutions are full of people who think like you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Those who are not of this world cannot be understood by those who
>> > remain of this world.
>> >
>> > "The light shines into the darkness but the darkness has not
>> > understood HIM." -- Holy Spirit.
>> >
>> > Amen !
>> >
>> > Laus Deo ! !

>> >
>> > Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
>> >
>> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >
>> > Andrew <><
>> > --
>> > Andrew B. Chung
>> > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
>> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>> >
>> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
>> > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
>> > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
>
> You've got to admit it, Kurt, Andrew ties you up in knots!!

You think Andrew's alleged logic ties Kurt up and rapes him?

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"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_numb...@hell.corn> wrote in
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You and Absurdirty make a knot below the bell.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Stephen Knight wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> >Stephen Knight wrote:
>
> >> Pathetic.
> >
> >Victory is not pathetic.
> >
> >> You're like Yosemite Sam saying he beat the Rabbit.
> >
> >Your believing that I am a fictional character is consistent with your
> >unbelief concerning GOD Who created you.
> >
> >> Make believe is your gig.
> >
> >Not for the discerning.
> >
> >> You have nothing.
> >
> >You are projecting.
> >
> >Consider yourself utterly vanquished.
>
> You mutter about how you don't judge and get hysterical about not
> being a god yet you 'utterly vanquish' me by your pious, superior
> judgment.

It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the
kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1).

This victory is HIS since HE compelled you to fall on your sword to
slay yourself and not I.

Laus Deo !

Marana tha ! !

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear neighbor Stephen Knight whom I love

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Stephen Knight wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Stephen Knight wrote:
>>
>> >> Pathetic.
>> >
>> >Victory is not pathetic.
>> >
>> >> You're like Yosemite Sam saying he beat the Rabbit.
>> >
>> >Your believing that I am a fictional character is consistent with your
>> >unbelief concerning GOD Who created you.
>> >
>> >> Make believe is your gig.
>> >
>> >Not for the discerning.
>> >
>> >> You have nothing.
>> >
>> >You are projecting.
>> >
>> >Consider yourself utterly vanquished.
>>
>> You mutter about how you don't judge and get hysterical about not
>> being a god yet you 'utterly vanquish' me by your pious, superior
>> judgment.
>
> It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the

Just a few hours ago, you act feeble to your other socks. Time to pack it
up, kook.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Real Friendit Naybourhood Wote Monger wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> > Stephen Knight wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >Stephen Knight wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Pathetic.
> >> >
> >> >Victory is not pathetic.
> >> >
> >> >> You're like Yosemite Sam saying he beat the Rabbit.
> >> >
> >> >Your believing that I am a fictional character is consistent with your
> >> >unbelief concerning GOD Who created you.
> >> >
> >> >> Make believe is your gig.
> >> >
> >> >Not for the discerning.
> >> >
> >> >> You have nothing.
> >> >
> >> >You are projecting.
> >> >
> >> >Consider yourself utterly vanquished.
> >>
> >> You mutter about how you don't judge and get hysterical about not
> >> being a god yet you 'utterly vanquish' me by your pious, superior
> >> judgment.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the
>
> Just a few hours ago, you act feeble to your other socks.

The word is meek.

"The meek shall inherit the earth." -- Holy Spirit

Amen.

> Time to pack it up, kook.

Name-calling simply shows that you are lost:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.

Oldus Fartus

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Oct 15, 2006, 7:26:48 AM10/15/06
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
snipped

>
> It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the
> kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1).
>
> This victory is HIS since HE compelled you to fall on your sword to
> slay yourself and not I.
>

What victory is that? From where I sit, there is no victory.

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Cheers
Oldus Fartus

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 15, 2006, 8:45:48 AM10/15/06
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Oldus Fartus wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> snipped
>
> > It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the
> > kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1).
> >
> > This victory is HIS since HE compelled you to fall on your sword to
> > slay yourself and not I.
>
> What victory is that?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9e6b05c00440cc86?

> From where I sit, there is no victory.

Fixed that for you.

"The truth will always prevail." -- Holy Spirit

Amen !

Laus Deo ! !

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor Denis whom I love unconditionally.

Giant Waffle

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Oct 15, 2006, 9:27:09 AM10/15/06
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:43:45 -0400, while bungee jumping, Al
Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> shouted thusly:


>On 13 Oct 2006 07:05:12 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
><lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>>It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
>
>It would be nice if, just once, you exercised that choice.

That was not nice, Jack. :)

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Giant Waffle
<{{{><

My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1

The Demon Prince of Absurdity

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Oct 15, 2006, 10:17:52 AM10/15/06
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:26:48 +0800, Oldus Fartus did the cha-cha, and
screamed:

Shhhh, don't upset him. You know how these religious k00ks are; he might
wig out and hijack a plane, or something.

Oldus Fartus

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Oct 15, 2006, 10:15:22 AM10/15/06
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Oldus Fartus wrote:
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> snipped
>>
>>> It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the
>>> kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1).
>>>
>>> This victory is HIS since HE compelled you to fall on your sword to
>>> slay yourself and not I.
>> What victory is that?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9e6b05c00440cc86?
>

Nothing there to indicate a victory. Reference to your own words proves
nothing.

>> From where I sit, there is no victory.
>
> Fixed that for you.
>

No, you have not.

> "The truth will always prevail." -- Holy Spirit
>

Indeed.

--
Cheers
Oldus Fartus

Oldus Fartus

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Oct 15, 2006, 10:38:19 AM10/15/06
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The Demon Prince of Absurdity wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:26:48 +0800, Oldus Fartus did the cha-cha, and
> screamed:
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> snipped
>>
>>> It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the
>>> kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1).
>>>
>>> This victory is HIS since HE compelled you to fall on your sword to slay
>>> yourself and not I.
>> What victory is that? From where I sit, there is no victory.
>
> Shhhh, don't upset him. You know how these religious k00ks are; he might
> wig out and hijack a plane, or something.
>

I would like to see him debate Raymond Karczewski.

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Cheers
Oldus Fartus

The God of Odd Statements

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Oct 15, 2006, 10:51:08 AM10/15/06
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:38:19 +0800, Oldus Fartus did most oddly state:

I vote for a "debate" consisting of Kazoo, Chung, Dore, the Varnisher,
Lightwing, Jologicon, Warhol, Twonky, and Qolon. They'd be washing the
blood off the walls of usenet for /weeks/...

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________________________________________________________________________
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Supreme High Overlord of rec.radio.*
Chuck Lysaght: Tarred & Feathered!

"Q: What do you call someone in the White House who is honest, caring,
and well-read?
A: A tourist." -- Anonymous

"It would be offly hard for any of you to abuse me on usenet. Really. I
have the advantage. I could easily turn alt.usenet.kooks into a cesspool
of encoded posts. Bringing the noise ratio up so high as to make the
group worthless. Anybody who can code could do this, why nobody has
bothered before now is beyond me. The ultimate spamming engine..
'BAWAHAHA'" -- Dustbin "Outer Filth" K00k's delusions of grandeur
reached new heights, in Message-ID:
<Xns98355D29419...@69.28.186.121>
"Immorality: The morality of those who are having a better time." -- H.
L. Mencken

"Consider that language a moment. 'Purposefully and materially
supported hostilities against the United States' is in the eye of the
beholder, and this administration has proven itself to be astonishingly
impatient with criticism of any kind. The broad powers given to Bush by
this legislation allow him to capture, indefinitely detain, and refuse a
hearing to any American citizen who speaks out against Iraq or any other
part of the so-called 'War on Terror.'

"If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be
deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the
United States. If you organize or join a public demonstration against
Iraq, or against the administration, the same designation could befall
you. One dark-comedy aspect of the legislation is that senators or House
members who publicly disagree with Bush, criticize him, or organize
investigations into his dealings could be placed under the same
designation. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them
up." -- William Rivers Pitt

Oldus Fartus

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The God of Odd Statements wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:38:19 +0800, Oldus Fartus did most oddly state:
>> The Demon Prince of Absurdity wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:26:48 +0800, Oldus Fartus did the cha-cha, and
>>> screamed:
>>>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>> snipped
>>>>
>>>>> It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the
>>>>> kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1).
>>>>>
>>>>> This victory is HIS since HE compelled you to fall on your sword to
>>>>> slay yourself and not I.
>>>> What victory is that? From where I sit, there is no victory.
>>> Shhhh, don't upset him. You know how these religious k00ks are; he might
>>> wig out and hijack a plane, or something.
>> I would like to see him debate Raymond Karczewski.
>
> I vote for a "debate" consisting of Kazoo, Chung, Dore, the Varnisher,
> Lightwing, Jologicon, Warhol, Twonky, and Qolon. They'd be washing the
> blood off the walls of usenet for /weeks/...
>

Make that two votes.

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Cheers
Oldus Fartus

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oldus Fartus wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Oldus Fartus wrote:
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> <snipped>
> >>
> >>> It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the
> >>> kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1).
> >>>
> >>> This victory is HIS since HE compelled you to fall on your sword to
> >>> slay yourself and not I.
>
> >> What victory is that?
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9e6b05c00440cc86?
>
> Nothing there to indicate a victory.

Without the LORD your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Denis whom I

AZ Nomad

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Oct 15, 2006, 1:25:58 PM10/15/06
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On 15 Oct 2006 09:47:21 -0700, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Denis whom I
>love unconditionally.

Every time you morph your headers to weasel out of killfiles, you yet
again prove yourself to be a complete asshole.
This will of course be reported to your internet provider.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 15, 2006, 2:07:51 PM10/15/06
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AZ Nomad wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Denis whom I
> >love unconditionally.
>
> Every time you morph your headers to weasel out of killfiles

My handle remains invariant.

Sorry my posts bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.

>, you yet
> again prove yourself to be a complete asshole.

Name-calling simply shows that you are lost:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?

> This will of course be reported to your internet provider.

GOD's will be done and not my will:

http://mabletonga.ourlittle.net/MouseParable

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to

understand this, dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.

Al Klein

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:27:09 GMT, Giant Waffle
<_giantw...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:43:45 -0400, while bungee jumping, Al
>Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> shouted thusly:
>
>
>>On 13 Oct 2006 07:05:12 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>><lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>>
>>>It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
>>
>>It would be nice if, just once, you exercised that choice.
>
>That was not nice, Jack. :)

You break your toys your way, I'll break my toys my way.


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"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)

Oldus Fartus

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Oct 15, 2006, 6:33:59 PM10/15/06
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Oldus Fartus wrote:
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>> Oldus Fartus wrote:
>>>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>>> It remains my choice to continue to refrain from judging you per the
>>>>> kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1).
>>>>>
>>>>> This victory is HIS since HE compelled you to fall on your sword to
>>>>> slay yourself and not I.
>>>> What victory is that?
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9e6b05c00440cc86?
>> Nothing there to indicate a victory.
>
> Without the LORD your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>

How did I know that would be your response ?

(Interestingly Ecclesiastes also says:
"A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and
what shall be after him, who can tell him?"

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Cheers
Oldus Fartus

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