Obesity Epidemic: US Temporal Trends
Epidemiologic
Although well known to most obesity researchers and epidemiologist, the
public is generally not aware of the true magnitude of the obesity
epidemic. At the link below is a classic report by the CDC of the
emergence of the obesity epidemic in the United States from the early
1980's to 2004.
http://www.epidemiologic.org/2006/10/obesity-epidemic-us-temporal-trends.html
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Obesity Epidemic: US Temporal Trends
>
> Although well known to most obesity researchers and epidemiologist, the
> public is generally not aware of the true magnitude of the obesity
> epidemic. At the link below is a classic report by the CDC of the
> emergence of the obesity epidemic in the United States from the early
> 1980's to 2004.
>
> http://www.epidemiologic.org/2006/10/obesity-epidemic-us-temporal-trends.html
It is not happening just in the United States:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e2324cfd4f2e9981?
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
William Wagner
"Epidemiologic" <epidem...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for posting!
Folks be sure to look at
http://www.epidemiologic.org/2006/10/whi-low-fat-dietary-trial-what-billi
on.html
same site.
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 05, 2006
WHI Low-Fat Dietary Trial: What a Billion-Dollar Trial Showed that
Epidemiology Already Knew
As they say in baseball and criminal felonies- "3 strikes and you're
out" - however, is this adage necessary true in medical research? In a
recent blockbuster issue of JAMA, investigators from the decade-long
Women's Health Initiative low-fat dietary trial simultaneously reported
the results for breast cancer, colorectal cancer, and cardiovascular
disease... in essense, results indicated no overall benefit of a low-fat
dietary pattern.
Edited for brevity a large snip.
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Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.
cats...@monmouth.com
Wow, this is scary!!! But why??? I know some of the reasons, less
exercise, fast food, computers, videos, graying of America but there
must be more to this. Do you think is it really all those CARBS?????
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Epidemiologic wrote:
> > > Obesity Epidemic: US Temporal Trends
> > >
> > > Although well known to most obesity researchers and epidemiologist, the
> > > public is generally not aware of the true magnitude of the obesity
> > > epidemic. At the link below is a classic report by the CDC of the
> > > emergence of the obesity epidemic in the United States from the early
> > > 1980's to 2004.
> > >
> > > http://www.epidemiologic.org/2006/10/obesity-epidemic-us-temporal-trends.html
> >
> > It is not happening just in the United States:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e2324cfd4f2e9981?
>
Folks have been and are being brainwashed to fear hunger.
> I know some of the reasons, less
> exercise, fast food, computers, videos, graying of America but there
> must be more to this. Do you think is it really all those CARBS?????
No:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d?
May GOD help you with your needs, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Hollywood
I've missed you.
I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat
fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks. I also
got my blood lipids back. I thought I would share with you. My doctor,
a board certified internist, was fairly impressed. He was expecting a
total reduction of maybe 12, maybe 20 points.
Results (first number is from 8/28/06, middle is from 10/20/06, final
is the change)
Total: 295 ---> 232 ---> -63
LDL: 221 ---> 167 ---> -54
HDL: 59 ---> 55 ---> -4
TriG: 75 ---> 52 ---> -23
The all important Ratios (same format)
Tot/HDL: 5.00 ---> 4.22 ---> -.78
LDL/HDL: 3.75 ---> 3.04 ---> -.71
TriG/HDL: 1.27 ---> 0.95 ---> -.32
And really, all I did was reduce my carbohydrates to a more sensible,
paleolithically inspired level. Oh, and walk more. I just thought you
would like to know what I did for myself. Or the LORD allowed me to do.
Or your prayers on my behalf did.
In other news, I am still waiting for an answer on how your approach to
diet is not a diet. If you have forgotten, I posed the following
question to you:
"You yourself have said that your approach involves:
limiting the intake of food (to 2LBs, 1KG or 1 Omer or less per day).
This limitation is:
towards the goal of improving health
>>>>>you have cited many positive effects from following your approach
and
losing weight.
>>>>>you have claimed amazing weight loss and remarkable maintenance of said weight loss with your approach.
For your "approach" to be anything other than a diet, either:
the top half (2PD-OMER involves limiting the intake of food to 2LBs,
1KG or 1 OMER per day)
Or:
The bottom half (the goal of the 2PD-OMER approach is to lose weight or
improve health)
Must be untrue.
If both the top half and the bottom half are true, congratulations, you
have proved yourself the author of a diet.
If you can invalidate either the top half or the bottom half, I will
concede the point and never refer to 2PD-OMER as a diet again.
If you simply fail to respond, you are essentially accepting that your
2PD-OMER "approach" is a diet, according to the definition of the word,
as culled from several different dictionaries.
-Hollywood, not anticipating an answer of substance.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Hiya Dr. Chung.
>
> I've missed you.
Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat
> fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks.
This means that you have been eating less than your body needed to
maintain your body weight + 24 lbs.
> I also
> got my blood lipids back. I thought I would share with you. My doctor,
> a board certified internist, was fairly impressed. He was expecting a
> total reduction of maybe 12, maybe 20 points.
That would have probably been the case had there been negligible weight
loss.
> Results (first number is from 8/28/06, middle is from 10/20/06, final
> is the change)
> Total: 295 ---> 232 ---> -63
Better but not optimal yet.
> LDL: 221 ---> 167 ---> -54
Better but not optimal yet.
> HDL: 59 ---> 55 ---> -4
Worse but still optimal.
> TriG: 75 ---> 52 ---> -23
Still optimal with negligible change.
> The all important Ratios (same format)
> Tot/HDL: 5.00 ---> 4.22 ---> -.78
> LDL/HDL: 3.75 ---> 3.04 ---> -.71
> TriG/HDL: 1.27 ---> 0.95 ---> -.32
>
> And really, all I did was reduce my carbohydrates to a more sensible,
> paleolithically inspired level.
Suspect that you have had a loss of appetite because of hyperketonemia.
> Oh, and walk more.
This likely resulted in depletion of muscle glycogen stores so that
there would be more hyperketonemia and thus more appetite suppression.
> I just thought you
> would like to know what I did for myself. Or the LORD allowed me to do.
> Or your prayers on my behalf did.
The hyperketonemia you likely are experiencing is likely harming you as
per our earlier discussions and the opinion of others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d22c04113af2fa5f?
> In other news, I am still waiting for an answer on how your approach to
> diet is not a diet.
Already answered. It simply is not.
If the 2PD-OMER Approach were a diet, you would be able to name a diet
incompatibility.
For example, what you are doing is a diet because you can not combine
it with the Ornish diet.
On the other hand, the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is what I have been
using since 1997 to stay lean & trim can be combined with **any** diet.
> If you have forgotten, I posed the following
> question to you:
>
> "You yourself have said that your approach involves:
> limiting the intake of food (to 2LBs, 1KG or 1 Omer or less per day).
> This limitation is:
> towards the goal of improving health
> >>>>>you have cited many positive effects from following your approach
> and
> losing weight.
> >>>>>you have claimed amazing weight loss and remarkable maintenance of said weight loss with your approach.
>
> For your "approach" to be anything other than a diet, either:
> the top half (2PD-OMER involves limiting the intake of food to 2LBs,
> 1KG or 1 OMER per day)
> Or:
> The bottom half (the goal of the 2PD-OMER approach is to lose weight or
> improve health)
>
> Must be untrue.
>
> If both the top half and the bottom half are true, congratulations, you
> have proved yourself the author of a diet.
The bottom half is not true.
The goal of the 2PD-OMER Approach is to help people learn that there is
an optimal amount of food per GOD's design and that when we are
obedient to GOD, we will receive the full measure of HIS blessing in
everything including our health.
> If you can invalidate either the top half or the bottom half, I will
> concede the point and never refer to 2PD-OMER as a diet again.
The LORD has made me able. Laus Deo !
> If you simply fail to respond, you are essentially accepting that your
> 2PD-OMER "approach" is a diet, according to the definition of the word,
> as culled from several different dictionaries.
>
> -Hollywood, not anticipating an answer of substance.
Hopefully, this that the Holy Spirit has guided me to write has not
disappointed anyone:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
May GOD in HIS infinite mercy and grace keep your heart beating to give
you time to understand this, dear neighbor Hollywood whom I love
Hollywood
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> >
> > I've missed you.
>
> Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
No problem.
> > I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat
> > fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks.
>
> This means that you have been eating less than your body needed to
> maintain your body weight + 24 lbs.
I dunno about this. I have cut snacking at work, mostly. I eat a lot of
nuts instead of chips. I think they are more calorically dense. And
heavier. And I have even been seen eating breakfast maybe 3 or four
days a week, which is something I never did. Undoubtedly, I may have
cranked my metabolism a little so that my bodies needs have increased.
I use the stairs a lot more, but I count that as walking. So, perhaps
yes, perhaps not as much. I have rarely eaten 2lbs or less in a day.
Maybe a couple of the 10 weeks. But certainly not the rule.
> > I also
> > got my blood lipids back. I thought I would share with you. My doctor,
> > a board certified internist, was fairly impressed. He was expecting a
> > total reduction of maybe 12, maybe 20 points.
>
> That would have probably been the case had there been negligible weight
> loss.
Actually, Dr. Z suggested that, given the 23 lb drop at the time of the
blood draw, he expected 12, because the rule as he learned it was 2lbs
to every 1 point of total. He said that since mine was so high, we
might see a little more, like 20, maybe 25 at the outside. So, perhaps
his expectation is different than yours, but since he's seeing me in
person and has all my lab results, etc, I'll go with him. Of course, he
doesn't have a lot of faith in the LC approach for improving
cholesterol. I told him I would try to make a convert out of him.
> > Results (first number is from 8/28/06, middle is from 10/20/06, final
> > is the change)
> > Total: 295 ---> 232 ---> -63
>
> Better but not optimal yet.
Yeah, but it's headed in the right direction. I'm told that these
things take time. I'm "goaling" this, just like a weight and BF% goal.
Working towards 220 total for the first goal, and somewhere around
160-180 for the longer term goal.
> > LDL: 221 ---> 167 ---> -54
>
> Better but not optimal yet.
Same deal. As above. See below in the ratio section.
> > HDL: 59 ---> 55 ---> -4
>
> Worse but still optimal.
Doc said it was pretty much the same. I am told that since my HDL was
in the good range to start, I might see some increase and I might see
some decrease. We shall see where it goes in the long term.
> > TriG: 75 ---> 52 ---> -23
>
> Still optimal with negligible change.
I guess if we divide it by 4, we get about 6 points. So yeah, it's
small, but I was in good shape here. I think the big thing is that I
lost 63 points of Total and most of it came from things we generally
consider bad (LDL - 54 or 86% of the change, and another 8% from TriG).
So, it's a work in progress, but it's a lot of progress for 9 weeks.
> > The all important Ratios (same format)
> > Tot/HDL: 5.00 ---> 4.22 ---> -.78
> > LDL/HDL: 3.75 ---> 3.04 ---> -.71
> > TriG/HDL: 1.27 ---> 0.95 ---> -.32
> >
> > And really, all I did was reduce my carbohydrates to a more sensible,
> > paleolithically inspired level.
>
> Suspect that you have had a loss of appetite because of hyperketonemia.
So, yeah, LC suppressed my appetite. I am also on a low dose of Adderal
that is supposed to reduce appetite. None the less, I eat pretty much
as I ate before. I had a week (first week of MLB playoffs) when I ate
about 25 chicken wings a night for dinner. I think they weighed about
2LBs per serving. I was also eating lunch and sometimes breakfast
around this time. I'm a big guy (6'2") so maybe it's the 3LB
Omer-and-a-half diet for someone my size. I dunno. But I've been
eating plenty.
> > Oh, and walk more.
>
> This likely resulted in depletion of muscle glycogen stores so that
> there would be more hyperketonemia and thus more appetite suppression.
So, we take the protein and make more glycogen to replace that which
we've used. I have not started to exercise to muscle failure yet
(that's coming, but not here yet), so depeletion seems a little
overstated. More than a little. As I said, I've been walking more.
Maybe a mile a day more than I was. It's a big building. If you go to a
farther bathroom, it's about 1/8th of a mile.
> > I just thought you
> > would like to know what I did for myself. Or the LORD allowed me to do.
> > Or your prayers on my behalf did.
>
> The hyperketonemia you likely are experiencing is likely harming you as
> per our earlier discussions and the opinion of others:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d22c04113af2fa5f?
Funny thing about Dr. Sears. On the VERY COVER of my Protein Power Life
Plan, Paperback edition, with the white cover, there he is. Dr. Barry
Sears, author & creator of the Zone Diet (so credited on the cover)
calls their book nothing less than "The Nutritional Primer of the
Nineties." This being the very same PP Life Plan that I am actually
following. And he's a rival diet author.
So, this is a quandary. The Eades advocate a ketogenic diet and urge no
worry from ketones. Dr. Sears calls their book the nutritional primer
for the 90's. Since the copyright on PPLP is 2000, I suspect that he
was actually talking about Protein Power. Protein Power is, if
anything, tighter with the carbs than PPLP. But, on that link to the
"opinion of others" we have Dr. Sears saying nasty things about
ketogenic diets. As I read it, he's for protein in balance with carbs
and for the eating of nearly unlimited fruits and veggies. Your
approach is very clearly different from Dr. Sears' belief. He says:
"The other two-thirds of the plate you fill it full of fruits of
vegetables until it's overflowing."
He also goes on to throw some tar on Dean Ornish (I am told that you
eat a 2PD-OMER/Ornish based diet), for screwing up people's
cholesterol, of all things. I think he complains about the high number
of fatal heart attacks that were observed in a two year trial of the
Ornish approach. Perhaps it was overeating, but Dr. Sears seems very
much in the camp of insulin-glucagon metabolism being the key to weight
loss and optimum health. His full testimony was pretty interesting.
> > In other news, I am still waiting for an answer on how your approach to
> > diet is not a diet.
>
> Already answered. It simply is not.
> If the 2PD-OMER Approach were a diet, you would be able to name a diet
> incompatibility.
I do not see where this is a requirement for a diet to be a diet. If
this is in any dictionary definition or a working definition, please
point me to an expert outside of your sphere of influence, who says so.
I haven't seen it, but I suppose I'm willing to. It's the search for
knowledge versus certainty.
> For example, what you are doing is a diet because you can not combine
> it with the Ornish diet.
What I'm doing is actually quite a bit broader than a diet. Sure, the
food portion is the 20% that gets you 80%. But the movement, the
relaxation, the sun, the learning, etc, make it bigger than a diet. The
elements outside of the food choices are certainly compatible with Dr.
Ornish's theories. But, I'm not particularly interested in raising my
shot at a fatal heart attack. Seems like killing yourself to spite "the
man."
> On the other hand, the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is what I have been
> using since 1997 to stay lean & trim can be combined with **any** diet.
I think that's nice. I don't think it has any part to do with what is
and isn't a diet. Again, I ask for someone, not you, Mu, or anyone you
work with, to have said anything to this effect. A reputable person.
Like a dictionary author. Or WebMD. Or a research paper. Whatever. Just
someone not in your sphere who is reputable and credible.
> > If you have forgotten, I posed the following
> > question to you:
> >
> > "You yourself have said that your approach involves:
> > limiting the intake of food (to 2LBs, 1KG or 1 Omer or less per day).
>
> > This limitation is:
> > towards the goal of improving health
> > >>>>>you have cited many positive effects from following your approach
> > and
> > losing weight.
> > >>>>>you have claimed amazing weight loss and remarkable maintenance of said weight loss with your approach.
> >
> > For your "approach" to be anything other than a diet, either:
> > the top half (2PD-OMER involves limiting the intake of food to 2LBs,
> > 1KG or 1 OMER per day)
> > Or:
> > The bottom half (the goal of the 2PD-OMER approach is to lose weight or
> > improve health)
> >
> > Must be untrue.
> >
> > If both the top half and the bottom half are true, congratulations, you
> > have proved yourself the author of a diet.
>
> The bottom half is not true.
>
> The goal of the 2PD-OMER Approach is to help people learn that there is
> an optimal amount of food per GOD's design and that when we are
> obedient to GOD, ***we will receive the full measure of HIS blessing in
> everything including our health.***
I believe you have failed to prove it false. Do not make me look this
stuff up (I can and will but don't feel that you need the
embarassment), but I know you have extolled the weight loss virtues of
the 2PD-OMER "approach" and the health benefits as well. In fact, on
your website, that's how it's pitched, if I recall correctly.
> > If you can invalidate either the top half or the bottom half, I will
> > concede the point and never refer to 2PD-OMER as a diet again.
>
> The LORD has made me able. Laus Deo !
I know that I appear slow and unable to keep up. But if He's made you
able, you haven't shown it yet.
> > If you simply fail to respond, you are essentially accepting that your
> > 2PD-OMER "approach" is a diet, according to the definition of the word,
> > as culled from several different dictionaries.
> >
> > -Hollywood, not anticipating an answer of substance.
>
> Hopefully, this that the Holy Spirit has guided me to write has not
> disappointed anyone:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
Unclear on the message of the link. Not disappointed because the answer
was pretty close to what I expected.
-Hollywood
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Hollywood wrote:
> > > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> > >
> > > I've missed you.
> >
> > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
>
> No problem.
Such is the joy I feel.
> > > I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat
> > > fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks.
> >
> > This means that you have been eating less than your body needed to
> > maintain your body weight + 24 lbs.
>
> I dunno about this.
Without weighing your meals, you will never know.
> I have cut snacking at work, mostly. I eat a lot of
> nuts instead of chips. I think they are more calorically dense. And
> heavier. And I have even been seen eating breakfast maybe 3 or four
> days a week, which is something I never did. Undoubtedly, I may have
> cranked my metabolism a little so that my bodies needs have increased.
> I use the stairs a lot more, but I count that as walking. So, perhaps
> yes, perhaps not as much. I have rarely eaten 2lbs or less in a day.
> Maybe a couple of the 10 weeks. But certainly not the rule.
Again, without weighing your meals, you will never know.
> > > I also
> > > got my blood lipids back. I thought I would share with you. My doctor,
> > > a board certified internist, was fairly impressed. He was expecting a
> > > total reduction of maybe 12, maybe 20 points.
> >
> > That would have probably been the case had there been negligible weight
> > loss.
>
> Actually, Dr. Z suggested that, given the 23 lb drop at the time of the
> blood draw, he expected 12, because the rule as he learned it was 2lbs
> to every 1 point of total. He said that since mine was so high, we
> might see a little more, like 20, maybe 25 at the outside. So, perhaps
> his expectation is different than yours, but since he's seeing me in
> person and has all my lab results, etc, I'll go with him. Of course, he
> doesn't have a lot of faith in the LC approach for improving
> cholesterol. I told him I would try to make a convert out of him.
23 lbs of VAT has a much greater potential impact on lipids than 23 lbs
of SAT.
> > > Results (first number is from 8/28/06, middle is from 10/20/06, final
> > > is the change)
> > > Total: 295 ---> 232 ---> -63
> >
> > Better but not optimal yet.
>
> Yeah, but it's headed in the right direction. I'm told that these
> things take time. I'm "goaling" this, just like a weight and BF% goal.
> Working towards 220 total for the first goal, and somewhere around
> 160-180 for the longer term goal.
Losing all the VAT will mean you will become much hungrier at which
point even the hyperketonemia will not longer suppress your appetite.
> > > LDL: 221 ---> 167 ---> -54
> >
> > Better but not optimal yet.
>
> Same deal. As above. See below in the ratio section.
>
> > > HDL: 59 ---> 55 ---> -4
> >
> > Worse but still optimal.
>
> Doc said it was pretty much the same. I am told that since my HDL was
> in the good range to start, I might see some increase and I might see
> some decrease. We shall see where it goes in the long term.
>
> > > TriG: 75 ---> 52 ---> -23
> >
> > Still optimal with negligible change.
>
> I guess if we divide it by 4, we get about 6 points.
We would divide by 5.
> So yeah, it's
> small, but I was in good shape here. I think the big thing is that I
> lost 63 points of Total and most of it came from things we generally
> consider bad (LDL - 54 or 86% of the change, and another 8% from TriG).
> So, it's a work in progress, but it's a lot of progress for 9 weeks.
>
> > > The all important Ratios (same format)
> > > Tot/HDL: 5.00 ---> 4.22 ---> -.78
> > > LDL/HDL: 3.75 ---> 3.04 ---> -.71
> > > TriG/HDL: 1.27 ---> 0.95 ---> -.32
> > >
> > > And really, all I did was reduce my carbohydrates to a more sensible,
> > > paleolithically inspired level.
> >
> > Suspect that you have had a loss of appetite because of hyperketonemia.
>
> So, yeah, LC suppressed my appetite. I am also on a low dose of Adderal
> that is supposed to reduce appetite. None the less, I eat pretty much
> as I ate before. I had a week (first week of MLB playoffs) when I ate
> about 25 chicken wings a night for dinner. I think they weighed about
> 2LBs per serving. I was also eating lunch and sometimes breakfast
> around this time. I'm a big guy (6'2") so maybe it's the 3LB
> Omer-and-a-half diet for someone my size. I dunno. But I've been
> eating plenty.
Again, you won't know until you start weighing your meals.
> > > Oh, and walk more.
> >
> > This likely resulted in depletion of muscle glycogen stores so that
> > there would be more hyperketonemia and thus more appetite suppression.
>
> So, we take the protein and make more glycogen to replace that which
> we've used.
Your muscle will not take FAAs to make glycogen.
> I have not started to exercise to muscle failure yet
> (that's coming, but not here yet), so depeletion seems a little
> overstated.
It does not require muscle failure for depletion of muscle glycogen
stores.
> More than a little. As I said, I've been walking more.
> Maybe a mile a day more than I was. It's a big building. If you go to a
> farther bathroom, it's about 1/8th of a mile.
>
> > > I just thought you
> > > would like to know what I did for myself. Or the LORD allowed me to do.
> > > Or your prayers on my behalf did.
> >
> > The hyperketonemia you likely are experiencing is likely harming you as
> > per our earlier discussions and the opinion of others:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d22c04113af2fa5f?
>
> Funny thing about Dr. Sears. On the VERY COVER of my Protein Power Life
> Plan, Paperback edition, with the white cover, there he is. Dr. Barry
> Sears, author & creator of the Zone Diet (so credited on the cover)
> calls their book nothing less than "The Nutritional Primer of the
> Nineties." This being the very same PP Life Plan that I am actually
> following. And he's a rival diet author.
>
> So, this is a quandary. The Eades advocate a ketogenic diet and urge no
> worry from ketones. Dr. Sears calls their book the nutritional primer
> for the 90's. Since the copyright on PPLP is 2000, I suspect that he
> was actually talking about Protein Power. Protein Power is, if
> anything, tighter with the carbs than PPLP. But, on that link to the
> "opinion of others" we have Dr. Sears saying nasty things about
> ketogenic diets. As I read it, he's for protein in balance with carbs
> and for the eating of nearly unlimited fruits and veggies. Your
> approach is very clearly different from Dr. Sears' belief.
The 2PD-OMER Approach does not exclude fruits and veggies.
> He says:
>
> "The other two-thirds of the plate you fill it full of fruits of
> vegetables until it's overflowing."
This is not unlimited fruits and veggies. The amount is limited by the
capacity of the plate.
> He also goes on to throw some tar on Dean Ornish (I am told that you
> eat a 2PD-OMER/Ornish based diet), for screwing up people's
> cholesterol, of all things. I think he complains about the high number
> of fatal heart attacks that were observed in a two year trial of the
> Ornish approach. Perhaps it was overeating,
It is.
> but Dr. Sears seems very
> much in the camp of insulin-glucagon metabolism being the key to weight
> loss and optimum health. His full testimony was pretty interesting.
Many folks including Dr. Sears have been and continue to be brainwashed
to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
In truth, "hunger is good."
Indeed, "hunger is a healthy appetite."
In fact, "noone has ever died from hunger, though there are people
dying from starvation and folks dying from starvation are not hungry."
Instead of "feed the hungry," the message should be "restore hunger to
the starving by refeeding them slowly."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d?
> > > In other news, I am still waiting for an answer on how your approach to
> > > diet is not a diet.
> >
> > Already answered. It simply is not.
>
> > If the 2PD-OMER Approach were a diet, you would be able to name a diet
> > incompatibility.
>
> I do not see where this is a requirement for a diet to be a diet.
You are ever seeing but never perceiving:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/758699d8bd036a60?
> If
> this is in any dictionary definition or a working definition, please
> point me to an expert outside of your sphere of influence, who says so.
> I haven't seen it, but I suppose I'm willing to. It's the search for
> knowledge versus certainty.
Such is the utility of a discerning heart:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3fa4ecde07979a5a?
> > For example, what you are doing is a diet because you can not combine
> > it with the Ornish diet.
>
> What I'm doing is actually quite a bit broader than a diet. Sure, the
> food portion is the 20% that gets you 80%. But the movement, the
> relaxation, the sun, the learning, etc, make it bigger than a diet. The
> elements outside of the food choices are certainly compatible with Dr.
> Ornish's theories. But, I'm not particularly interested in raising my
> shot at a fatal heart attack. Seems like killing yourself to spite "the
> man."
It is the food choices that make the diet.
> > On the other hand, the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is what I have been
> > using since 1997 to stay lean & trim can be combined with **any** diet.
>
> I think that's nice. I don't think it has any part to do with what is
> and isn't a diet. Again, I ask for someone, not you, Mu, or anyone you
> work with, to have said anything to this effect. A reputable person.
> Like a dictionary author. Or WebMD. Or a research paper. Whatever. Just
> someone not in your sphere who is reputable and credible.
"If you want to lose a lot of weight, check out
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp : the idea here is to eat
regularly, and not worry so much about the minutae of counting calories
and figuring nutrient percentages - just limit total food intake over
the course of the day. Read the FAQ on that site and it'll provide some
useful information. I am in no way affiliated with the author and have
no way to gain from you reading - but I'm offering this as a simple,
free way to think about your diet. Don't be overwhelmed by all the
information out there. The simplest diet isn't really a diet at all -
just a lifestyle change opting to move more, eat less. The rest will
balance itself out in reasonably short order." -- Geoff Sample
Source:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hitdigest/message/12572
As the inventor of the 2PD-OMER Approach, I retain the GOD-given
authority to state the goal of the 2PD-OMER Approach.
It should be obvious to the most casual observer that the stated goal
"to help people learn that there is an optimal amount of food per GOD's
design and that when we are obedient to GOD, we will receive the full
measure of HIS blessing in everything including our health is
different" is different from your belief that the goal is to "lose
weight."
Indeed, folks suffering from anorexia nervosa can use the 2PD-OMER
Approach to be blessed by GOD.
They definitely would not be using the Approach to "lose weight."
> Do not make me look this
> stuff up (I can and will but don't feel that you need the
> embarassment), but I know you have extolled the weight loss virtues of
> the 2PD-OMER "approach" and the health benefits as well. In fact, on
> your website, that's how it's pitched, if I recall correctly.
The goal of the 2PD-OMER Approach is as stated here and nowhere else.
You unequivocally lose.
This victory belongs to GOD.
Laus Deo !
> > > If you can invalidate either the top half or the bottom half, I will
> > > concede the point and never refer to 2PD-OMER as a diet again.
> >
> > The LORD has made me able. Laus Deo !
>
> I know that I appear slow and unable to keep up. But if He's made you
> able, you haven't shown it yet.
Again, you are ever seeing but never perceiving:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/758699d8bd036a60?
> > > If you simply fail to respond, you are essentially accepting that your
> > > 2PD-OMER "approach" is a diet, according to the definition of the word,
> > > as culled from several different dictionaries.
> > >
> > > -Hollywood, not anticipating an answer of substance.
> >
> > Hopefully, this that the Holy Spirit has guided me to write has not
> > disappointed anyone:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
>
> Unclear on the message of the link. Not disappointed because the answer
> was pretty close to what I expected.
Your being vanquished was indeed expected.
Again, this victory belongs to GOD:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
Your consolation prize is eternal life if your choose to surrender to
HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS infinite mercy and grace keep your heart beating to give
you time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Hollywood whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
> -Hollywood
panam...@hotmail.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Hollywood wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> > > >
> > > > I've missed you.
> > >
> > > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> >
> > No problem.
>
> Such is the joy I feel.
Shaddap, bitch-ass. And get your dumb ass out of alt.atheism, you
shit-eating spammer.
> > > > I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat
> > > > fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks.
> > >
> > > This means that you have been eating less than your body needed to
> > > maintain your body weight + 24 lbs.
> >
> > I dunno about this.
>
> Without weighing your meals, you will never know.
Andy eats two pounds of shit a day. It's all he can afford since his
practice failed.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Hollywood wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've missed you.
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> > >
> > > No problem.
> >
> > Such is the joy I feel.
>
> Shaddap, bitch-ass.
Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?
This victory belongs to GOD.
Laus Deo !
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to
HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS infinite grace and mercy keep your heart beating to give
you time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Floyd whom I love
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've missed you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> > > >
> > > > No problem.
> > >
> > > Such is the joy I feel.
> >
> > Shaddap, bitch-ass.
>
> Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:
>
Poltroon.
Now, where was I?
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Hollywood wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> > > >
> > > > I've missed you.
> > >
> > > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> >
> > No problem.
>
> Such is the joy I feel.
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
>
> Your consolation prize is eternal life if your choose to surrender to
> HIM:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
>
> May GOD in HIS infinite mercy and grace keep your heart beating to give
> you time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Hollywood whom I
> love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
>
> > -Hollywood
Good post. I have few questions that in diabetic type2 with IR;
1. Whether a person with 12 years old diabetic2 with IR with family
history of similar type of diabetes(mother side) and with some Central
obesity and persistent and prolonged hyperglycemia patient
(76Kgs/5'.11"/53yrs/waistline 41"/Male) with overeating and irregular
habits, Sed.lifestyle, all other tests clear-- need what to control
hyperglycemia and what should be his target about waistline, weight and
glucose levels? to eat less?
2. Whether taking snacks or cooked/fried foods increase glucose levels
and inflammatory responses(due to higher AGEs) much more than taking
light and simple foods?
3. Whether taking outside foods, moving in crowd or living in big
polluted and stressful cities(pollution, crowding, oustide food may
enhance exposure to inflammatory agents) can keep glucose levels
elevated inspite of medication programme well followed?
4. Whether living Sed. lifestyle--less physical excercise can cause
persistent hyperglycemia inspite of proper medication and diet control?
panam...@hotmail.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've missed you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> > > >
> > > > No problem.
> > >
> > > Such is the joy I feel.
> >
> > Shaddap, bitch-ass.
>
> Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:
Name calling simply shows that you're a cock-sucking rude mother
fucker.
> This victory belongs to GOD.
Yeah, just like the Germans at Stalingrad. You wouldn't know victory if
she grew wings and stood on the hood of your car.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
panam...@hotmail.com
Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've missed you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> > > > >
> > > > > No problem.
> > > >
> > > > Such is the joy I feel.
> > >
> > > Shaddap, bitch-ass.
> >
> > Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:
> >
>
> Poltroon.
>
> Now, where was I?
You were about to call the coward, liar, cad, bully & thief a name.
-PF, Atl.
#2015/KoBAAWA!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Atheist Kutchie wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've missed you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Such is the joy I feel.
> > > >
> > > > Shaddap, bitch-ass.
> > >
> > > Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:
> >
Link restored:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?
> > Poltroon.
> >
> > Now, where was I?
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory GOD for compelling you to
prove that you are lost.
Laus Deo !
> You were about to call the coward, liar, cad, bully & thief a name.
... and join you in defeat:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dcca5d66b46585d1?
May GOD in HIS infinite grace and mercy keep your heart beating to give
you time to understand this, dear neighbor Floyd whom I love
panam...@hotmail.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Atheist Kutchie wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've missed you.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Such is the joy I feel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shaddap, bitch-ass.
> > > >
> > > > Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:
> > >
> > > <link snipped by atheist neighbor in an act of cowardice>
>
> Link restored:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?
>
> > > Poltroon.
> > >
> > > Now, where was I?
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory GOD for compelling you to
> prove that you are lost.
Learn to read attribution marks, idiot.
> Laus Deo !
Hello Cleveland!!
> > You were about to call the coward, liar, cad, bully & thief a name.
>
> ... and join you in defeat:
Well, you would know defeat, you silly little turtledove of a man. When
you gonna pay that child support, deadbeat?
Kadaitcha Man
> Learn to read attribution marks, idiot.
...wrote the retard who can't read dates.
> Eat shit & cry, K-man:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e4bcf2d7f146761f?dmode=source
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You fuckwitted cunt.
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:17:18 -0500
> Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
--
alt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker:
September 2005 and April 2006
"K-Man's particular genius, however, lies not merely in his humour,
but his ability to make posters who had previously seemed reasonably
well-balanced turn into foaming, frothing, death threat-uttering
maniacs" - Snarky, Demon Lord of Confusion
Thou fetid whey-face. Thou scab-laden tyrant.
Kadaitcha Man
of the tide, alleged:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
*plonk*
--
alt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker:
September 2005 and April 2006
"K-Man's particular genius, however, lies not merely in his humour,
but his ability to make posters who had previously seemed reasonably
well-balanced turn into foaming, frothing, death threat-uttering
maniacs" - Snarky, Demon Lord of Confusion
Thou scroyle. Thou witless, clouted pigeon-egg.
Kadaitcha Man
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
*plonk*
--
alt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker:
September 2005 and April 2006
"K-Man's particular genius, however, lies not merely in his humour,
but his ability to make posters who had previously seemed reasonably
well-balanced turn into foaming, frothing, death threat-uttering
maniacs" - Snarky, Demon Lord of Confusion
Thou fly-eating friend of an ill fashion. Thou drunk hourly
promise-breaker.
Olrik
Kadaitcha Man wrote:
> Pastor Kutchie <use...@heathens.org.uk>, the crabby herald, scrawled:
>
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> *plonk*
Why did you plonk Chung? He's like you, only without a sense of humour.
Olrik
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Name-calling simply confirms that you remain vanquished:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind,
and strength:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
Laus Deo !
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to
HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS infinite mercy and grace keep your heart beating to give
you extra time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Floyd whom