Daily Spirit-guided WDJW health tip for 03/20/09
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(hungrier) than ever.
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning" feeling that unlocks the 4
mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke 24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
All of us were born free of Hinduism, Buddhism,
Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and all other faiths.
Innocent.
Looking up to mom & dad (or others) for sustenance,
support, nourishment, a guiding light as to what to do,
where to go, what to be, what life is ...
Free yet dependent on those entities that provided us
with the means by which we survive to this very day ...
If we were born 8,000 years ago, we knew nothing of
such things as Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism,
Islam. Ever. We lived, we died, knowing nothing of such
things.
Why oh why, I ask you, I implore you, why oh why do
we, in the present day, treat such things as if they are the
be-all end-all of life?
8,000 years ago, we would have been born free.
In 2001, each of our children are born just as free as we
would have been 8,000 years ago.
Why, for the love of all that is best and most worthy of
life, why would we endeavor to enslave our children in
systems which 8,000 years ago did not exist?
Why, for the love of all that is best and most worthy of
life, would we treat such faiths as Hinduism, Buddhism,
Christianity, Judaism, Islam, as if they are requisites for
enslavement of our children when, point in fact, 8,000
years ago they were nothing?
Think about it.
8,000 years ago, all the leading faiths of this age, nothing.
We would have been born, nurtured, and lived an entire
life free of *all* the leading faiths of this day and age.
We would have hunted.
We would have eaten.
We would have breathed.
We would have laughed.
We would have quenched our thirst.
We would have farmed.
We would have had sex.
We would have had children.
We would have had language/communication.
We would have made tools.
We would have been born, lived, and died free of any
of the religions of the modern age.
We would have been free of such things as obligations
to conform to Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity,
Islam.
We would have been fully human, and I ask you, I inquire
sincerely and with deep feeling and search, what in the world
makes us any different, from a naturalistic point of view, than
those who preceded us, our ancestors, our predecessors,
those whom we honor as the very source of our being, those
who we, all of us, are absolutely indebted to for our very
existence (not to even mention all the preceding ancestors
and those who followed our ancestors of 8,000 years ago)?
What in the world makes the record of our natural history
and the tribe-centric / supernatural-dependent view of life
compatible in any way? If you accept our natural place in
a natural world, how do you reconcile interjecting super-
natural faiths/beings into the picture far later than the evi-
dence of the advent of human capabilities of language,
tool-making, farming, written language, culture, civilization,
hierarchical rule-invoking, etc ...
And come off with a be-all end-all of life perspective?
Clearly, irrefutably, undeniably ...
IT MAKES NO SENSE ...
There is no reason or logic to it ...
It was created by primitives, perpetuated by power-hungry
self-serving authoritarians, and is to this very day clinging
to life solely by virtue of brainwashing of children and
leverage by authoritarians who utilize imaginary beings for
selfish ends ...
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Wake up,
Know the truth,
Free yourself and your children, before it's too late,
and you've wasted your life on non-existent beings
and concepts cooked up by ancients without a clue
regarding what a natural world and a natural existence
were/are all about ...
And yes, a primary key there, a key that science shies
not from, is "NOT KNOWING" all the answers, for
indeed, the search is on and we do not know all the
answers, for we are natural beings in a natural world
with only our own wits to search for and find the true
answers, and it's up to us, ONLY US, to find those
answers and in the search, to be all we can be, in this,
our one and only *sure* shot at it, at this time, in this
life, on this earth.
No faith required or desired, for faith is but a delusion
and a diversion from that which is the real nature of
our being.
Make believe just doesn't cut it anymore, not for those
of us who seek the truth and the pleasure of *knowing*,
not believing, not deluding, *knowing* our real place in
the circumstance of life we find ourselves in.
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~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> All of us were born free of Hinduism, Buddhism,
> Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and all other faiths.
Christianity is neither faith nor religion but rather a personal
relationship with LORD Jesus Christ, Who is spiritually with us in the
Spirit until the end of the world (Matthew 28:20).
Dear Pro-Humanist,
While being mindful of our past written discussions that resulted in
your panic-stricken flight:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5f6ca8a70d9e98d0?
May reading the following help you understand the reality of GOD:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b899ce5cc1a77d9d?
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
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causes ever. Andrew is supportive of death and war.
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>Christianity is responsible for more death and destruction than all other
>causes ever.
Lie.
"Put away the sword. Those who live by the sword will die by the
sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to update folks on your still being unable to publicly say "Jesus
is LORD" so that they know to continue to be mindful of WDJW by
praying for your perishing soul.
May GOD soften your heart, "t", so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus, so that you would become a new creature in
Christ:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
t
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew is supportive of death and war.
Incorrect.
Would not be a physician if that were true.
Your false witness is forgiven by me.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you instead of helping you publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
May GOD soften your heart, "t", so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
MU
> Christianity is responsible for more death and destruction than all other
> causes ever. Andrew is supportive of death and war.
I see you're attracting the less intellectual crowd these days, Andrew.
--
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> t wrote:
>
>> Christianity is responsible for more death and destruction than all other
>> causes ever. Andrew is supportive of death and war.
>
>I see you're attracting the less intellectual crowd these days, Andrew.
They've always been less than intellectual because intelligence is
from GOD.
Truth is simple :-)
Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
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historically killed many many people in wars. They are still doing so.
Andrew cannot provide any evidence that his "god" or his "jesus" exist. But
people like him need a Daddy in the sky. If Andrews "god" is so wonderful
and good, why do innocent babies suffer? Why would his "god" need "doctors"?
Why would this "god" need losers to promote him? Can't "god" in his great
power do it himself? Why do some people need to believe in fairy tales?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WIJ.com> wrote in message
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The Doctor
Your opinion of Satan please.
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Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Never Satan President Republic!
Point to http://tv.cityonahillproductions.com/
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
"t" <t...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Andrew B. Chung claims to be a "christian". The "christians" have historically killed many many people in wars. They are still
> doing so. Andrew cannot provide any evidence that his "god" or his "jesus" exist. But people like him need a Daddy in the sky. If
> Andrews "god" is so wonderful and good, why do innocent babies suffer? Why would his "god" need "doctors"? Why would this "god"
> need losers to promote him? Can't "god" in his great power do it himself? Why do some people need to believe in fairy tales?
The answer to your question about innocent babies
suffering usually results in all sorts of tortured spins
from religionists trying to disclaim God for responsi-
bility for that, while at the same time trying to credit
God for every positive aspect of life.
As for understanding how A.B.C. and most who be-
lieve in a deity of some kind were influenced to do
so, an examination of childhood development, from
a psychological standpoint, is helpful:
Empty and Malleable Vessel
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/empty_malleable_vessel.htm
Excerpt:
I addressed this issue previously in a post entitled
"Born Free", but here's another perspective for
consideration ...
A human child is a vulnerable being, depending
totally on others for its survival and its definition
of self ...
An empty and malleable vessel ...
And into that vessel, whatever is poured shall conform
to the shape of the vessel and shall become a part of
that vessel, and shall shape that vessel ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/pix/empty_and_malleable_vessel.gif
Should that vessel be filled with the thought that there
is, in the area of the unknowns, a super-being and a
vast supernatural world and a belief in a particular christ
dude which is required for immortality, that vessel will
likely be burdened with that view for its entire life ...
Likewise, should that vessel be filled with the thought
that there is, in the area of unknowns, a search by
humankind for answers, an unwillingness to just believe
in what forebears had passed down as if it was true,
that vessel will likely be free to continue the search,
unburdened with obligations of following myths from
prior generations no matter what ...
A baby/child is ...
An empty vessel ...
Into which ...
We pour ...
That which was ...
Poured into us ...
Such is the nature of life ...
The pouring. and the shaping of the malleable
form of the vessel, and the pouring again and ...
In all this ...
Where do the simpleminded guilt-tripping magic
being "believe or else" notions of the christians
fit in?
Nowhere, my friends, nowhere, for, consider this ...
Should we pour, into the empty vessel, the notion
that ...
Xanthus is the supreme being, believe that she exists,
and believe that Marishnu came to earth, that she lived
a selfless life full of joy and giving and freedom from
the burdens of human existence, ascending into a
wondrous HappyForeverLand, and you, too, shall
be one with Xanthus and Marishnu and live in that
"beyond description wonderworld" of bonding with
the creator forevermore, and ...
Believe not, and ye shall suffer immortal torment, and
thus sayeth the parents/churches/peers/society into
which the child is born, and thus shall it be, and ...
Surround these notions with "Xanthus/Marishnu or
else" as 'the' only way to immortality, and have sec-
ular entities and disbelievers, even, treating belief in
Xanthus/Marishnu as somehow special and deserving,
at the very least, of worth for 'them', if not for you,
and promote silence when it comes to pointing out
the flaws in the "Xanthus/Marishnu or else" notions,
and ...
Have all these notions pushed/acclaimed in large
'holy' prominent 'Xanthus-blessed' buildings and
ceremonies and symbols and in the tying of the
whole shebang into law, marriages, death, funerals,
social functions, hypocritical epitome of good, pro-
motion of pretentiousness / slavery, idolization of the
status quo, promotion of acquiescence to silence/
submission/conformity, and ...
Yes, indeed, that vessel, that child, will be burdened
with the myth of Xanthus and Marishnu for her/his
entire life ...
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t
anyone called "satan", no. Just another fairy tale.
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew is supportive of death and war.
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > Would not be a physician if that were true.
> >
> > Your false witness is forgiven by me.
> >
> > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > you instead of helping you publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
> >
> > May GOD soften your heart, "t", so that you would come to trust the
> > truth, Who is Jesus:
> >
> > http://T3WiJ.com
> >
> > Amen.
> Andrew B. Chung claims to be a "christian".
Would not be able to publicly say "Jesus is LORD" if I weren't a
Christian.
Thankfully, the Holy Spirit helps me publicly say "Jesus is LORD" as
evident in the following on-line video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update folks on your still needing GOD to save your
perishing soul.
May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul.
Marana tha
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
As I've mentioned on multiple occasions, the key to
separating humankind from religious myth is to somehow
find a way to deal with the tendency for humans to
surround their children with the myths in a never-ending
cycle of brainwashing from one generation to the next.
For validation of this view, see the following:
The Cultural Origins of Human Cognition,
by Michael Tomasello
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0674005821/
Key Excerpt:
"... Although never mentioned explicitly, Tomasello's
ideas, studies, and those he refers to provide evidence
of humans--especially young humans--as 'meme
machines.' "
As he states on page 160
}}} 'Young children's very strong tendency to imitate what others
}}} are doing thus shows up again and again in their early cognitive
}}} development, leading to the conclusion that the early childhood
}}} period is largely concerned with children's entry into the world
}}} of culture through their mastery of the artifacts and conventions
}}} that predate their arrival on the scene--which they may then
}}} adapt for creative uses as their mastery progresses.'
This makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. Those
that are good copiers at an early age (i.e., through their early
and basic, innate instincts) would have had a much better
chance of survival thousands of years ago when our ancestors
lived in a wild and dangerous environment.
Additionally, they would have fit in better with the primitive
society of the time--allowing themselves the protection of the
group as they grew older and additional chances to reproduce.
The problem for us now may be that we get so stuck in our
follow the leader and follow others rut that we don't mentally
mature enough, or fast enough, as we grow older. Hence,
instead of examining the probable results of our actions and
the flaws in the traditions of our inheritance, we continue to
go down the road we are used to and the one everyone else
is headed down instead of rising above our instinct of copying
without thinking. ..."
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Graphic : Nature of Christian Brainwashing
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/pix/brainwash.jpg
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Article : The Nature of Christian Brainwashing
- Immoral Path to Delusion
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/nature_of_brainwashing.htm
rpautrey2
Take an antidepressant!
On Mar 25, 10:16 am, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohuman...@ghg.net>
wrote:
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
"rpautrey2" <rpau...@gmail.com> wrote ...
> Anti-Religion OCD?
Opposition to religions is based on logic,
reason, pro-humanism, interest in revela-
tion of the actual facts regarding religion,
freedom, liberty, freethought, strong inter-
est in protecting or freeing children from
ancient anti-human mindsets endemic to
ancient religious faith, opposition to tor-
ture, ever, of anyone, opposition to death,
interest in revelation of naturalistic facts
given less-than-appropriate attention in
most schools in the U.S., interest in solv-
ing many medical and social problems that
humankind faces, problems typically wors-
ened by efforts of folks stuck in the pre-
scientific mindsets of ancient mostly anony-
mous and entirely non-scientific minds.
> Take an antidepressant!
Not depressed.
On Mar 25, 10:16 am, "Pro-Humanist
FREELOVER" <prohu...@ghg.net> wrote ...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
these." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
Dear Pro-Humanist,
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5f6ca8a70d9e98d0?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b899ce5cc1a77d9d?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
rpautrey2
wrote:
S.O.S.!
OCD?
Schizophrenia?
Insanity?
On Mar 26, 3:38 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Jesus saves :-)
> OCD?
GOD :-)
> Schizophrenia?
Love :-)
> Insanity?
The truth :-)
"I am the way and the truth and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John
14:6)
Amen.
May GOD soften your heart, RPAutrey, so that you would come to trust
the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
t
course.
"rpautrey2" <rpau...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>"rpautrey2" wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>
>>> "Do not keep the children from Me for My kingdom belongs to such as
>>> these." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>>>
>>> Amen.
>
>>
>> OCD?
>>
>> Schizophrenia?
>>
>> Insanity?
>
>R, if he is ignored, he will go away.
GOD's will be done and neither your nor my will.
Note:
Have been posting on Usenet with this email address since 1996 (nearly
13 years):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3a1df6b4d877d0c2?
Laus Deo :-)
May GOD soften RPAutrey's heart and your heart, tee, so that you would
come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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(originally posted September 26, 2001)
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/prohumanistfreeloverdaily/092601.htm
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Excerpt:
A word of advice, from a friend in Australia:
A peaceful way forward beyond the prejudices
of religion [link inactive]
Entire article:
The kind hearts of children would be more
inclined to stay that way if schooling was
secular only, writes Pamela Bone.
After the countless thousands of words read,
the unforgettable pictures, the speeches of world
leaders, it was the teachers and children of an
infants school in inner Sydney who spoke most
clearly to me.
I was attending my five-year-old grand-daughter's
school assembly, to see her receive a merit certi-
ficate for good work.
I don't know whether there has ever been a time
in my life when I have had to struggle so hard to
keep the tears inside as when I looked at the faces
of those children, wondering what sort of a world
my generation was leaving them.
I didn't quite manage it.
The principal, a fair-haired, sweet-faced, youngish
woman, said: "Children, we are all a bit sad this
week, aren't we, because a very bad thing hap-
pened. Can you tell me what we can do to make
it feel better when bad things happen? Do you
think it might help if we are all very nice to each
other? Can you think of ways we can do that?"
The children put up their hands. "We can play
with someone even if they're not our friend."
"We can share with each other." "If someone
wants to get in when we are lining up to go
somewhere, instead of pushing them away
we can just let them in."
This is a public school. The children are from
many and different racial backgrounds. They
hold hands as they walk into the assembly hall
and later sing Advance Australia Fair. But they
do not say any prayer and the name of God is
not invoked.
The children at this school are not chanting verses
of the Koran or the Catholic catechism. They are
not being told that theirs is the one true faith or
that they are God's chosen people. They are not
being taught that they are better or different from
others because of what they believe. They are
simply being told: be kind to one another.
This is what last week's tragedy is about, surely?
About what we teach the children? The men who
made missiles out of planes were once some
mothers' little boys. I look at the faces of the
children at the school and I think, "You could
take any one of these and teach them to hate.
You could make them think people of another
race, another religion, another sex, are beneath
their contempt."
Five thousand innocent people died terrible deaths
because some men were absolutely convinced they
were fighting a holy war. People who have never
read a word of the Koran are now competing to
absolve Islam of any blame in what happened. Per-
haps part of the reason is that to blame Islam would
force them to wonder if all religion, even their reli-
gion, is to blame. Religious fanaticism, not religion,
is to blame, they say.
I don't know at what point belief becomes fanaticism.
I understand the comfort that religious ritual, prayers,
the singing of hymns, can bring: "Goodness and
mercy shall surely follow me all the days of my life ..."
At these times we crave goodness and mercy.
But in the 21st century, can goodness and mercy be
found just as well outside religion as within it? Does
religion make good anyone who is not already good?
It certainly makes some mad, or bad, who would
otherwise not be.
All written religions have some terrible passages. Chris-
tians, in general, appear more able to ignore the bad bits
than some other religions. There are plenty of exceptions,
but in Western countries at least, these days Christians
tend to be not very close to their religion. In a recent sur-
vey in Britain, only 11 per cent of Anglicans but 75 per
cent of Muslims said their religion was "very important"
to them.
Of course people should be free to believe what they
like. But to believe too fiercely can be dangerous to
others. Any decent society allows religious freedom.
The most humane countries are those in which all reli-
gions are tolerated, but religion is low-key (the fact that
it is tolerated helps to make it low-key).
I do not think schools that teach religion should be
publicly funded. I say this despite knowing that church-
based schools are mostly very good schools, in which
good values are taught. I think we should value and
protect our free, public and secular education. We
should be grateful that young people of calibre still
want to be teachers.
"Be kind to one another." Little children can understand
that. Maybe, without invoking a God to tell us whom we
should hate, we could all be kinder to one another.
- - - end of article - - -
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Truth is simple.
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
- - -
The brainwashing of children
by Marcus Loane
http://www.thebigwhy.com/ath2.htm
- - -
Excerpts:
One result of brainwashing is the victim having
a deeply held conviction that something is true
even though they are unable to justify it intellec-
tually.
Religious belief is an accident of birth
It is a fact that those with religious beliefs almost
always follow the same religion as their parents.
There are very few Moslems with Roman Catholic
parents. There are very few Buddhists with Hindu
parents. It follows that a person's religious beliefs
are usually an accident of birth.
What they believe depends on where they were
born and also on what period in history they were
born. Very few honestly evaluate all the world's
religions (past and present) and decide that a par-
ticular one must be the "true way".
Children are like sponges
Children soak up knowledge and believe what
they are told. ... Beliefs inculcated in childhood
can be hard to shake, even when there is strong
evidence to show they are false.
Children have programmed in acceptance and
a magical way of thinking. They are receptive to
fantastic ideas like invisible beings which can read
thoughts. Many of those with deeply held religious
beliefs have been indoctrinated from a young age.
...
Intellectual child abuse
The intense brainwashing of children is not uncom-
mon in N. Ireland where I come from. It leads to
adults who may never fully recover regardless of
whether they accept the dogma or reject it.
Those who accept it are living their entire lives
under the implied threat of hell and have the divine
Voyeur monitoring their every thought ... It is guilt
and fear dressed up in a Love and Truth facade.
...
Some adults have been so badly indoctrinated in
childhood that while intellectually they realise the
Christian claims are false they still experience the
guilt and fear.
...
Children can be educated about what people's faith-
based beliefs are without claiming that they can be
known to be true. In fact they should be educated
about the wide range of competing faith based
beliefs around the world and throughout history.
That will give them a much better foundation for
dealing with all the bogus claims they will be bom-
barded with during their life.
Children need to be taught how to think, not what
to believe.
...
- - - end excerpts - - -
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Certainly, the ability to call fairy tales "Truth (tm)",
followed with you can't prove that "Truth (tm)"
wrong, is one of the most egregious crimes of
superbeing religions, for it tempts humans to
place any "make believe" fantasies they wish into
a so-called irrefutable "Truth (tm)", asserting
absolute authority over the affairs of humankind.
Lies-deceit-delusion? Matters not to such philos-
ophies when it comes to the "unknown", as the
fundamental approach of superbeing religions
is that there is no proof required for supernatural
claims, thereby turning upside down the notion
that doubt is justified when insufficient evidence
is provided regarding a claim.
They use fantastical claims to seduce and con
people into believing their versions of fairy tales
are "Truth (tm)" and that they'll become immortal
if they _________ (insert requirements here),
and they threaten people with _________ (insert
threats here) if they don't believe in their so-called
"Truth (tm)".
Evidence? Consideration of alternatives? Natur-
alism? Doubt? Open-minded pursuit of verity?
Always, with all religions with a vested interest in
the following long-lived creed, some other-beings,
some supernatural fantasies are given credit for
everything (especially if it's something humans like)
as the de facto explanation for existence, but if it's
something humans don't like, the blame for that is
placed on
o bad humans, and/or
o bad superbeings (you know, the devil
fantasies), and/or
o superbeings justified in doing bad (you
know, punishing bad humans), in which
case it's thought of as "righteous" or
"good", and
naturalism is treated as something beholden to those
uber-entities.
Doubt and open-minded search for verity are derided
as weaknesses when applied to religious claims, but
doubt towards naturalism -and- devout devotion to
a mind open to religious myths is treated as good and
admirable (with kudos for religious faith and belief in
the supernatural).
- - -
-- Long-lived Creed of Superbeing Religions --
1) Promotion of Piety via the seductions, cons,
and threats of
2) Persisting Promises (none with any evidence
whatsoever, many counter to the laws of phys-
ics, many applying to the unknown and to the
emotional desires of humans) in order to
3) Perpetuate a Particular religion (as the best),
granting religious leaders the
4) Power to control and manipulate People, espe-
cially children, as all superbeing religions are
heavily invested in brainwashing children at
ages when children are extremely vulnerable
to deceit, hoping that the brainwashing "sticks",
and that the children will follow it for life - return
to "1" . . .
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> - - -
> The brainwashing of children
> by Marcus Loane
> http://www.thebigwhy.com/ath2.htm
> - - -
>
> Excerpts:
>
> One result of brainwashing is the victim having
> a deeply held conviction that something is true
> even though they are unable to justify it intellec-
> tually.
Incorrect.
Children who believe in Jesus do so with their hearts and not with
their brains.
This is why you did not become a Christian despite your dad's well
meaning efforts to teach you to become one while you were living under
his roof as a child.
Truth is simple :-)
"Do not keep children away for Me for My Kingdom belongs to such as
these." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
"You must become as a child again." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote ...
> Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
>> - - -
>> The brainwashing of children
>> by Marcus Loane
>> http://www.thebigwhy.com/ath2.htm
>> - - -
>>
>> Excerpts:
>>
>> One result of brainwashing is the victim having
>> a deeply held conviction that something is true
>> even though they are unable to justify it intellec-
>> tually.
>>
>> [...]
> Incorrect.
>
> Children who believe in Jesus do so with their hearts
> and not with their brains. [...]
Exactly what the article said, religion
is an accident of birth and child rearing,
not an outcome of intellect, logic, and
reason in the overwhelming majority of
cases, be it the christian god or the chris-
tian jesus or the hindu gods or the islamic
god or or the islamic jesus or the islamic
mohammad or any other gods or 'magic
beings' or so-called 'holy' people or things
or places that are fed to children as "Truth",
just believe, no evidence required or de-
sired.
As for evidence, they'd love to have it if
they could, but since all religions are 'make
believe', all they've been able to come up
with are forgeries and fabrications through-
out history. Since they have nothing in the
way of evidence, they distance themselves
from focus on that factor as important in
religion, an area which they typically hold
in high esteem in non-religious areas.
They cling to religious faith (usually, the
same as their parents) as if their very im-
mortal lives depended on it.
Childhood brainwashing resides at the
fundamental core of religious faith.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Children who love Jesus do so with their hearts and not with their
brains.
Children who trust (believe in) Jesus do so with their hearts and not
with their brains.
While brainwashing may result in changed minds, it does not change
hearts.
Folks who fail to understand this difference between heart and mind
tend to fail at things that require love and trust.
This may explain your failed marriage, where it is possible that your
wife discovered that your love and trust were not real because they
did not reside in your heart.
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote ...
> [...]
>
> Children who love Jesus do so with their hearts and not with their
> brains.
>
> [...]
Brainwashing, tossing a ton of myths into
their heads, playing upon their fears, play-
ing upon their desire to stay alive, simply
a travesty, the real-life harm caused by
supernatural-faiths which are loaded with
anti-humanism.
ironjustice
wrote:
Brainwashing, tossing a ton of myths into their heads, playing upon
their fears, play-
ing upon their desire to stay alive, simply a travesty, the real-life
harm caused by
supernatural-faiths which are loaded with anti-humanism. <<
Actually it is a .. teaching .. taught to children by their ..
parents ..
Parents .. govern how children are .. raised ..
YOU were raised by .. poor .. parents ..
Others were raised .. well ..
I would prefer to be between a rock and a hard place .. WITH someone
who believes in .. good .. as
opposed to someone who believes .. screwing animals .. is ..
"normal" ..
But that's just .. me ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
"ironjustice" <teamt...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
> On Apr 7, 7:48 am, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER"
> <prohu...@ghg.net> wrote ...
>> Brainwashing, tossing a ton of myths into
>> their heads, playing upon their fears, play-
>> ing upon their desire to stay alive, simply
>> a travesty, the real-life harm caused by
>> supernatural-faiths which are loaded with
>> anti-humanism.
> Actually it is a .. teaching .. taught to children by their ..
> parents ..
>
> Parents .. govern how children are .. raised ..
>
> YOU were raised by .. poor .. parents ..
Poor, economically, but raised by religious
parents. My dad, a preacher, used to bring
in hellfire and brimstone preachers for
revivals. Type 1 diabetes, I inherited that
from my dad's side of the family.
> Others were raised .. well ..
>
> I would prefer to be between a rock and
> a hard place .. WITH someone who believes
> in .. good ..
Define good. Humanists don't include a god in
the equation. Why do you need a god to be
good?
> as opposed to someone who believes .. screwing
> animals .. is .. "normal" ..
Odd off track comment.
> But that's just .. me ..
Sexual hang-ups were bible-writer problems, ob-
sessing on things like cutting off the ends of boys'
penises, heavily vested in demonizing sex of all
kinds other than that between married men and
women or between whomever in the Old Testa-
ment that God was encouraging to kill or rape
women or girls.
> [...]
ironjustice
wrote:who believes
in .. good .. Define good. <<
???
If you don't know what good is .. then .. how can one explain it to
you .. ?
Golden rule .. ever hear of that .. ?
Do onto others as you would have others do onto you ..
It is pretty simple ..
It is the very basis of every religion ..
On Apr 8, 11:36 am, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohuman...@ghg.net>
wrote:Humanists
don't include a god in the equation. Why do you need a god to be good?
<<
You actually expect someone to discuss the concept of god with ya ..
do ya .. Humanist .. ?
Do you get many .. offers .. ?
Christianity is a religion based on faith.
Faith that there was a good guy named Jesus.
Now WHAT was Jesus .. aboot .. comes down to WHO and what you ..
believe .. FROM what
literature there is about .. Jesus.
If you have any other concept of the Christians .. explain it ..
But don't expect everyone to have the SAME concept of .. what a
Christian is SUPPOSED to
believe using OTHER .. Christians .. AS 'markers' so to speak ..
because even in Christians you
have a diverse bunch of different .. groups .. who some may think
could be considered to be as
'credible' .. as say .. Shintoism .. and my favorite guy .. Kanamara
Sama ..
The religions go off into many different .. what seems to be insane
tangents .. to some.
Each and every religion though is based on .. good.
Now it is when the **books** OF the religions have been rewritten
and / or totally lost in history.
As to belief based on .. faith .. comes down to what one believes of
their .. parents.
Now if the old man was an ahole and he believed in / or had faith then
the child may have a problem
with religion.
BUT if the old man was a good guy and he had faith or believed in
something .. then the child may have
a better chance of also having **blind** faith .. based on most likely
what his dad taught him and his dad
taught him , etc.
Soo the fact they HAVE "blind faith" .. doesn't as you say .. negate
the religion .. it is faith based on teaching ..
and as you say not necessarily wrong.
Or how you like to put it .. "not necessarily sane" ..
Just because you haven't seen god or anyone hasn't seen
god doesn't mean there ISN'T god .. whatever god .. is.
Whether god IS .. that breeze that blows on a damn hot .. day.
When one considers all the different religions then one has
to consider them all to understand they are all based of the
concept of good.
Imho ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
> On Apr 8, 11:36 am, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER"
>> [...]
>>
>> Define good.
good (per Merriam-Webster dictionary): of a favorable
character or tendency.
So, obviously, favorable, subjective assessment by
others, and one person's 'good' may very well be
another person's 'not so good' or 'bad' or 'ambivalent'
or 'whatever'. Key word -- subjective ---.
subjective (per Merriam-Webster dictionary): character-
istic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than
as independent of mind.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>>> Define good.
>
>good (per Merriam-Webster dictionary): of a favorable
>character or tendency.
>
>So, obviously, favorable, subjective assessment by
>others, and one person's 'good' may very well be
>another person's 'not so good' or 'bad' or 'ambivalent'
>or 'whatever'. Key word -- subjective ---.
It is GOD's opinion that logically matters most:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/good
Truth is simple :-)
Andreew Choong
Golden rule .. ever hear of that .. ?
Do onto others as you would have others do onto you ..
It is pretty simple ..
It is the very basis of every religion ..
________
Wrong. Anyway, good is relative. There is no proof that act A is good and
act B is evil.
Andreew Choong
"MU" <efacs...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:49c8f27e$0$3340$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org...
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:34:49 -0500, t wrote:
>
>> Christianity is responsible for more death and destruction than all other
>> causes ever. Andrew is supportive of death and war.
>
> I see you're attracting the less intellectual crowd these days, Andrew.
> --
> http://tinyurl.com/5gt7
True, *you* responded.
Andreew Choong
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WIJ.com> wrote in message
> MU wrote:
>> t wrote:
>>
>>> Christianity is responsible for more death and destruction than all
>>> other
>>> causes ever. Andrew is supportive of death and war.
>>
>>I see you're attracting the less intellectual crowd these days, Andrew.
>
> from GOD.
Ah, more name calling:
Andrew Chung:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format lo...@thetruth.com (#
being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto
food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus (T3WIJ):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Citizen Jimserac
Gee Andrew, it looks like Pro-Humanist is really getting the best of
you in the discussion.
May I suggest you do some reading, maybe take a break from the
postings for a while and clear your head?
It would be the .... "spiritual" thing to do. Everyone needs a
retreat now and then.
A break from the routine. A time to freshen the mind.
Maybe listen to some symphonies, read a Homeopathy book... or maybe
some Harry Potter. OR... head to some exotic island - you know the
drill, dancing girls, relaxation, maybe a little surfing...
You never know, Andrew, it might do you a world of good!!
You're an intelligent guy, I hope, so surely you suggest to your
stressed out patients that they take a vacation now and then. So what
about YOU?!! WHEN is your vacation?
Perhaps NOW is the time!!!
Citizen Jimserac
Andreew Choong
"Citizen Jimserac" <Jims...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0622efb-6541-4bc0...@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 12, 11:58 am, "Andreew Choong" <i...@suk.com> wrote:
> Golden rule .. ever hear of that .. ?
>
> Do onto others as you would have others do onto you ..
>
> It is pretty simple ..
>
> It is the very basis of every religion ..
>
> ________
>
> Wrong. Anyway, good is relative. There is no proof that act A is good and
> act B is evil.
Gee Andrew, it looks like Pro-Humanist is really getting the best of
you in the discussion.
_______
Wrong Andrew, Holmes.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
- - -
... and all that is beyond the capability of
humans to know and comprehend, all that
has been 'til now called God, is known by
those for whom God is neither comprehended,
claimed, or known ...
From Alan Watts' -The Wisdom of Insecurity- ...
"... The Hindu Upanishads say:
He who thinks that God is not comprehended,
by him God is comprehended;
but he who thinks that God is comprehended
knows him not.
God is unknown to those who know him, and
is known to those who do not know him at all."
- -
I would interpret that liberally and perceive that
in knowing God is incomprehensible and in
knowing not God, those of the disbelief/doubt/
distance from faith community are closer to
knowing the whys and wherefores of "all that
is", a concept commonly called God, than are
those of the religious/faith crowd who claim to
know God.
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
- - -
The Nature of Christian Brainwashing - Immoral Path to Delusion
... that's merely treating children as objects for brainwashing ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/nature_of_brainwashing.htm
Youth-Brainwashing-Hitler's Germany
... Nazism and the same exact methodologies used to entrap
children ... ruling authority was brainwashed as children ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/history/youth_brainwashing_hitlers_germany.h...
Top 10 Reasons Believers Follow the Christian God
... simply follow the pattern of brainwashing to their children
... Most were brainwashed into it ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/reasons_believers_follow.htm
Protect Children From Brainwashing
... foundation to protect children from brainwashing ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/social_legal/children_brainwashing.htm
Separation of Church and State
... Support for parental brainwashing of children ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/social_legal/separation_of_church_and_state....
Natural World Compared to Supernatural Beings/Places
... generational brainwashing as the default ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/natural_world_compared.htm
GOD - Brainwashing Evidence - christian bible ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/brainwashing_evidence_bible.htm
Born Free
... brainwashing of children and leverage by authoritarians ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/born_free.htm
Christian Doubters Searching for "The Way"
... perpetuated in large part by brainwashing of innocent children ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/christian_doubters_searching.htm
Why is the U.S. the most Pro-Religious / Evolution-Ignorant Country?
... promotion of generational brainwashing of children to pro-faith ...
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/evolution_ignorant.htm
Citizen Jimserac
> "Citizen Jimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Citizen Jimserac
Citizen Jimserac
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> The Nature of Christian Brainwashing - Immoral Path to Delusion
> ... that's merely treating children as objects for brainwashing ...
> http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/nature_of_brainwashing.htm
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> Youth-Brainwashing-Hitler's Germany
> ... Nazism and the same exact methodologies used to entrap
> children ... ruling authority was brainwashed as children ...
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> Top 10 Reasons Believers Follow the Christian God
> ... simply follow the pattern of brainwashing to their children
> ... Most were brainwashed into it ...
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> Protect Children From Brainwashing
> ... foundation to protect children from brainwashing ...
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> Separation of Church and State
> ... Support for parental brainwashing of children ...
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> Natural World Compared to Supernatural Beings/Places
> ... generational brainwashing as the default ...
> http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/natural_world_compared.htm
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> GOD - Brainwashing Evidence - christian bible ...
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> Born Free
> ... brainwashing of children and leverage by authoritarians ...
> http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/born_free.htm
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> Christian Doubters Searching for "The Way"
> ... perpetuated in large part by brainwashing of innocent children ...
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> Why is the U.S. the most Pro-Religious / Evolution-Ignorant Country?
> ... promotion of generational brainwashing of children to pro-faith ...
> http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/evolution_ignorant.htm
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> Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
> http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
> (Freethinking Realist Exploring
> Expressive Liberty, Openness,
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These links I quite good, I have looked at several of them - I believe
these are good enough to use as a response to Chung should he continue
to violate the subject matter of this and other newsgroups.
Citizen Jimserac
Jan Drew
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER"
What would you know about daycare centers?
Apparently nothing.
You should haved visited mine. No brainwashing. Rather, the truth about
GOD
and his son JESUS CHRIST.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>The Nature of Christian Brainwashing - Immoral Path to Delusion
>... that's merely treating children as objects for brainwashing ...
> http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/nature_of_brainwashing.htm
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly invalidate your own arguments.
You did come from a very religious Christian family (dad being an
evangelical pastor of a Christian church) and yet did not become a
Christian despite all the alleged "brainwashing."
Bottom line:
No amount of "brainwashing" changes a non-christian to a Christian or
vice versa.
A true Christian is identified by his/her being able to publicly say
"Jesus is LORD."
" ... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1
Cor 12:3)
Amen.
Truth is simple :-)
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist, Molecular Biologist,
Computer Programmer, Electrical Engineer,
and Board-certified Cardiologist :-)
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_comp.htm
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Religion? The U.S. is one of the most religious
countries in the world on this survey.
Evolution? The U.S. is dead last - what does that
say regarding the U.S.? What does that say about
what the U.S. is about? Certainly, it doesn't speak
well for our ability to educate our children.
Are we, the U.S., a pseudo-theocracy, with a system
designed to separate church-state in a manner which
has, due not to intent, but instead, to design and the
attributions of the politicians/authority figures to God
for good and non-God for bad, led to the promotion
of generational brainwashing of children to pro-faith
and anti-science?
...
If so, if we have created a system whereby promotion
of faith via brainwashing thrives, while science and
education suffer, while children suffer, while human
lives go to waste in a futile effort to treat god as real
and faith as worthy, how do we correct the problem?
Let me ask you this. Why, for the love of all that
is human and worthwhile, why do most in the U.S.
pretend that God exists, thanking God as if God
exists as a real entity, talking to God as if God exists
as a real entity?
... ... ... ....
Certainly, we adore freedom, but does that really
require that we act as meek slaves to a bygone
day in which ...
Folks lived in fear for their very lives if they did
not ...
Worship/enslave themselves in the right way to the
right deity?
... ... ... ...
RAD - stop the faith, keep the freedom, test the
God. If God exists, God reveals itself. If God
doesn't exist, God does nothing. If God exists
and does nothing, God cares not to demonstrate
it exists and God, only God, bears moral respon-
sibility for that choice...
Remember the Old Testamyth? Not a meek and
secret and faith-required deity, we're talking there,
we're talking a live-viable-interfacing deity and as
no god is my witness, it's time *that* god shows
up or
1) We, as humankind, get with the program of
a natural god-free life in a natural god-free
world,
-and-
2) We, as humankind, choose to live free of God
myths unless God chooses to reveal itself in a
real and substantive (non-imaginary) manner.
Simple, that.
As no God is my witness, I submit that God will do/
say/demonstrate nothing when asked to do so in a
non-imaginary way. Why? Because God does not
exist.
All is nature.
Vocanoes, earthquakes, asteroids, comets, tidal
waves, floods, hurricanes, plagues ... we are natural
beings in a natural world with sole absolute respon-
sibility for our own destiny, and we alone must deal
with the forces and whims of nature ...
No religious faith, no god, no imagined thing can
change that because no god / imagined thing im-
parts anything other than an imagined impact upon
our real and vibrant life experience ...
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If (when) God does not demonstrate its existence,
isn't it about time that humankind gives it up, the an-
cient myths, and leave them behind as something
cooked up by ancient humans without a clue about
how humanity has evolved and how the universe
has evolved via natural means in a natural world.
Humans can then be emboldened to drop the reli-
gious faiths and live a natural life in a natural world,
taking total and full responsibility for our own destiny,
something we should have been doing all along ...
Farewell to ancient religious faith, to ancient myths
which fall far short of experiential reality ...
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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From The Sunday Times
July 8, 2007
Brainwashed children plead to die as martyrs in
Red Mosque siege
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2042156.ece
Dean Nelson, Islamabad
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Excerpts:
SAIMA KHAN wants to die a martyr. Life is transient,
she told her father in a telephone call last week, and the
real glory is to sacrifice it for Allah. Her statement would
be alarming at any age, but Saima is only 10.
As she spoke, rifle shots rang out, the acrid smell of tear
gas drifted over Islamabad and hundreds of troops sur-
rounded the pro-Taliban Red Mosque, a religious school
complex in the heart of Pakistan's capital where Saima
was among hundreds of children being held as virtual
hostages in a stand-off between militants and the govern-
ment.
Saima and her 14-year-old sister, Asma, were embroiled
in a struggle for the soul of Pakistan in which up to 70
militants died last week and more than 100 were injured,
according to mosque officials.
Holed up inside the complex behind the lines of troops
and razor wire, the children - many of them girls whose
families had sent them to the mosque to receive a strict
Islamic education - repeatedly rejected relatives' entreaties
to leave before a threatened army onslaught.
There was evidence that many had been brainwashed into
a cult of martyrdom, and the authorities feared last night
that some were being prepared to be suicide bombers. In
barely eight weeks, Saima had been transformed from a
religious but fun-loving girl to a jihadi, grimly craving
martyrdom.
At the barricades, her father, Luftullah Khan, a shopkeeper,
frantically pestered soldiers to let him rescue both his
daughters. But when he got through to them on their mobile
telephone, they said they preferred martyrdom to freedom.
"I spoke to my daughter. She said there was no food or
water left. I tried to arrange a meeting, but she said, 'We're
here; my dead body will be here. I will not leave my teachers',"
Khan said.
His bewilderment at her sudden transformation reflects that
of a nation that can barely believe the events unfolding in
the shadow of General Pervez Musharraf's presidential
palace.
Militant leaders said yesterday that 30 girls had been buried
in a mass grave inside the mosque grounds. Two more
students died in fighting overnight. The children attend the
Jamia Hafsa and the Jamia Faridia, two local madrasahs,
or religious schools. The militants have herded their stu-
dents into the basement of the mosque.
Early yesterday the city was rocked by a dozen loud
explosions as the army used shellfire to demolish long
stretches of a 5ft wall that surrounds the mosque. Tear gas
was fired from armoured personnel carriers, and soldiers
provided heavy covering machinegun fire, but no effort
was made to storm the building.
Despite their evident fire-power, the military, many of them
drawn from special forces, were playing a waiting game.
They wanted to avoid the bloody confrontation apparently
being sought by the mosque's firebrand leader, Abdul
Rashid Ghazi, who said he was determined to fight to the
last.
Ghazi, who claimed that 1,800 children remained inside,
said yesterday he had divided the boys and girls into two
camps. "The boys are the first line of defence, then the
girls," he said. "They have all sworn an oath on the Koran
that they will fight to the death."
The combination of fighting and fanaticism was a stark
reminder of Musharraf's failure to rein in Pakistan's mili-
tants, despite the apprehension of western allies about the
advance of extremism in a nuclear power.
For months the leaders of the Red Mosque have unleashed
a campaign of fear and intimidation in Islamabad, using
their burqa-clad students as the shock troops of a moral
crusade.
They raided massage parlours, tore down posters of
women, kidnapped alleged brothel madams and video
shop owners and forced them to apologise for their "im-
morality" at televised press conferences. Last week Mush-
arraf finally decided to clamp down and demonstrate that
his government, which has presented itself as a bastion of
"enlightened moderation", was prepared to confront the
extremists on its doorstep.
Musharraf told Pakistan televi-sion yesterday that he was
prepared to raise the stakes with the militants: "People
hiding in the Red Mosque should come out, otherwise
they will get killed. Action will be taken against them if
they don't come out."
...
There are fears among western leaders that Pakistan could
implode into a bitter battle between secular and the hard-
line religious groups, becoming another failed state where
Al-Qaeda can thrive.
The militants provided a stark reminder of their power on
Friday when a burst of gunfire from a rooftop was reported
to have been aimed at Musharraf's plane as it took off from
an airfield in Rawalpindi. Security officials said later they
had found two antiaircraft guns and a sub-ma-chinegun
with a telescopic sight. Musharraf has already survived at
least three attempts to kill him.
The Red Mosque first earned a reputation for militancy in
the 1980s when its founder, Maulana Abdullah, won favour
from the military dictator Zia ul Haq, who encouraged Pakis-
tanis to join a jihad, or holy war, against the Russian occu-
pation of Afghanistan. Senior intelligence officers prayed
at the mosque and the cleric forged strong links with Osama
Bin Laden and the Taliban regime in Kabul that sheltered
him.
When Abdullah was assassinated, the mosque was taken
over by his two sons, Ghazi and Maulana, who was cap-
tured last week as he tried to flee disguised in a burka.
They called for jihad against the United States, supported
the Taliban and linked up with militants in deeply conserva-
tive tribal areas on the Afghan border. The current conflict
began after the authorities warned the mosque that it had
illegally seized government land and must give it up. Its
leaders responded in March by sending in burqa-clad
women armed with Kalashnikov rifles to occupy a gov-
ernment-run children's library next door.
Last month Maulana reached the point of no return when
his followers kidnapped nine Chinese women, including
six acu-puncturists and masseuses, denouncing them as
prostitutes. China, which is Pakistan's closest military ally,
registered a formal complaint and demanded protection
for its nationals.
Troops from the Pakistan Rangers, special forces and
elite female paramilitary commandos took up positions
around the complex to stop any further attempts by the
militants to enforce religious law. Surrounding roads
were sealed and the mosque's supplies of food and
ammunition were cut off.
...
For one family at least there was a happy ending of sorts.
As a gun battle raged late on Friday, with snipers on the
roof of the mosque forcing the army back to its lines 100
yards away, Khan, the father who had been pleading with
his two daughters to leave, called them on their mobile
phone and told them their mother was outside. She had
been taken ill and lay unconscious on the pavement, he
said.
It was a lie but it worked. The two girls quickly left the
compound and found their waiting father in the crowd.
"I'm taking them back to our village," said Khan. "They
were ready for martyrdom and they're very angry with
me. I'm just happy I've got my daughters back, and
sorry for those whose daughters are still in there."
Saima, in a bitter, fanatical voice that belied her 10 years,
told The Sunday Times her father had cheated her of
martyrdom. "The teachers taught us about martyrdom
and that it is a great achievement," she said.
"I could see the fighting was in front of me and I could
understand that we would die. I felt real anger about
what my father did. He tricked me."
...
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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> From The Sunday Times
>
> July 8, 2007
>
> Brainwashed children plead to die as martyrs in
> Red Mosque siege
No child can be brainwashed into being able to publicly say "Jesus is
LORD."
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
Amen.
Truth is simple.
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
http://WDJW.net
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
"t" <t...@gmail.com> wrote ...
> Stop already!
If Chung stops, I will have no Chungism
to reply to. Center your focus on getting
him to stop, -if- you'd like opposition to
religion to be at a much lower volume in
these newsgroups. As long as you support
Chung, or remain silent in response to his
religious pitches, you're acquiescing to the
religious brainwash routine that most sub-
ject their children to.
> "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohu...@ghg.net> wrote in message
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>> Video: Jesus Camp Brainwashing Children ?
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>"t" wrote:
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>> Stop already!
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> If Chung stops, I will have no Chungism
> to reply to.
Actually, you have been doing very little replying to what the Holy
Spirit guides me to write:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/AtheismDelusion
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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>Video: Jesus Camp Brainwashing Children ?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emMlK84G1OY
You remain living proof that there is no such thing as Christians
successfully brainwashing their children to become Christians.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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>Religion? The U.S. is one of the most religious
>countries in the world on this survey.
>
>Evolution? The U.S. is dead last - what does that
>say regarding the U.S.?
That there are more true scientists in the U.S. than elsewhere :-)
A true scientist rejects theories that fail in their predictions.
Darwin predicted the emergence of a plethora of new species per his
theory of evolution and we have witnessed instead a decrease in
biodiversity since he proposed his theory:
http://EvolutionIsDegeneration.com
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist, Molecular Biologist,
Computer Programmer, Electrical Engineer,
and Board-certified Cardiologist :-)
http://EmoryCardiology.com
What does that say about