Re: Does God have a God?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Brandon Staggs" bst...@swordsearcher.com wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> > Only Jesus Christ deserves to be considered the head of the church.
>
> Who is the head of Jesus of Nazareth?
LORD Jesus Christ is :
"KING of kings and LORD of lords."
> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and your
> God"
>
> Does God have a God??????
GOD the Son has GOD the Father.
"The Father is in ME as I am in the Father. Now that you know ME, you
also know MY Father." -- LORD Jesus Christ
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic "Doubting" Thomas
upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
Amen and amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
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Mark T
>> > Christ Jesus' resurrected Body, for all intents and purposes, IS
>> > PHYSICAL,
>> > or THOMAS would not have been able to touch His wounds.
>> ... but it is also not purely physical because it appears out ofg nowhere
>> in
>> locked rooms.
>> What happened to the physical body?????
>
> It is the physical body of GOD.
God doesn't have a physical body as God is spirit.
>> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and
>> your
>> God"
>>
>> Does God have a God??????
>
> Asked and answered already:
Nope!
God (Yahweh) does NOT have a God!!!!
Jesus of Nazareth has a God because Jesus is not God.
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"I (GOD NOT GOD'S MESSIAH), even I (GOD NOT GOD'S MESSIAH),
am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers
your sins no more. " - Isaiah 43:25
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Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
GODS
(INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> > Christ Jesus' resurrected Body, for all intents and purposes, IS
> >> > PHYSICAL,
> >> > or THOMAS would not have been able to touch His wounds.
> >> ... but it is also not purely physical because it appears out ofg nowhere
> >> in
> >> locked rooms.
> >> What happened to the physical body?????
> >
> > It is the physical body of GOD.
>
> God doesn't have a physical body as God is spirit.
The Holy Spirit is only one of GOD's three persons.
GOD the Son has a physical resurrection body as will each of HIS
brethren.
> >> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and
> >> your
> >> God"
> >>
> >> Does God have a God??????
> >
> > Asked and answered already:
>
> Nope!
Yes:
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> God (Yahweh) does NOT have a God!!!!
GOD the Father has GOD the Son.
> Jesus of Nazareth has a God because Jesus is not God.
GOD the Son has GOD the Father.
"The Father is in ME just as I am in the Father. Now that you know ME,
you also know MY Father Who sent ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen !
Mark T
>> God doesn't have a physical body as God is spirit.
Jesus said that God (Yahweh) is spirit. Jesus of Nazareth is a human not
spirit.
>> >> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and
>> >> your God"
>> God (Yahweh) does NOT have a God!!!!
>
> GOD the Father has GOD the Son.
God (Yahweh) has no other Gods.
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Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
GODS
(INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
################################################################
Please explain.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
> >> God doesn't have a physical body as God is spirit.
>
> Jesus said that God (Yahweh) is spirit. Jesus of Nazareth is a human not
> spirit.
LORD Jesus Christ is GOD the Son.
HE has a resurrection body just as we, HIS brethren, will each be given
resurrection bodies.
> >> >> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and
> >> >> your God"
> >> God (Yahweh) does NOT have a God!!!!
> >
> > GOD the Father has GOD the Son.
>
> God (Yahweh) has no other Gods.
Correct. There is only one GOD ...
... GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
> ################################################################
> Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
> you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
> GODS
> (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
> ################################################################
>
> Please explain.
See above.
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I
Mark T
>> Jesus said that God (Yahweh) is spirit. Jesus of Nazareth is a human not
>> spirit.
....
>> >> >> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> your God" God (Yahweh) does NOT have a God!!!!
...
>> God (Yahweh) has no other Gods.
>
> Correct. There is only one GOD ...
>
> ... GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
You just named THREE. Can you count?????
If you operate on a patient and use three clamps and only retrieve one
(leaving the other two inside the patient) have you got all the clamps
before stitching up the patient?????
1. GOD the Father - Yahweh
2. the Son - The human Messiah
5. the Holy Spirit. - Yahweh's shekinah glory (read
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=865&letter=H&search=holy%20spirit )
Only ONE of the above is fully Yahweh!!!!
################################################################
Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
GODS
(INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
################################################################
>> Please explain.
>
> See above.
Your post explains nothing.
John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD (Yahweh)
and your God (Yahweh)"
Is Jesus of Nazareth (a human) really Yahweh (spirit) who brought the tribe
of Israel out of Egypt?????
Prove it.
You have failed to provide any proof at the moment.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
>
> > Correct. There is only one GOD ...
> >
> > ... GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
>
> You just named THREE.
GOD has three persons each identified by name.
> Can you count?????
Yes.
> If you operate on a patient and use three clamps and only retrieve one
> (leaving the other two inside the patient) have you got all the clamps
> before stitching up the patient?????
No.
> 1. GOD the Father - Yahweh
Incorrect.
GOD - Yahweh
> 2. the Son - The human Messiah
> 5. the Holy Spirit. - Yahweh's shekinah glory (read
> http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=865&letter=H&search=holy%20spirit )
Incorrect.
GOD - Yahweh.
(1) GOD the Father.
(2) GOD the Son.
(3) GOD the Holy Spirit.
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to ME. Therefore
go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey
everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to
the very end of the age." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 27:18-20)
> Only ONE of the above is fully Yahweh!!!!
Yahweh is GOD in three persons.
> ################################################################
> Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
> you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
> GODS
> (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
> ################################################################
"The Father is in ME as I am in the Father. Now that you know ME, you
also know MY Father, WHO sent ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >> Please explain.
> >
> > See above.
>
> Your post explains nothing.
Sorry you are not understanding. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD (Yahweh)
> and your God (Yahweh)"
>
> Is Jesus of Nazareth (a human) really Yahweh (spirit) who brought the tribe
> of Israel out of Egypt?????
>
> Prove it.
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r m
"Mark T" <wh@the87798374680934768306767998549> wrote in message
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> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>>> Jesus said that God (Yahweh) is spirit. Jesus of Nazareth is a human
>>> not
>>> spirit.
> ....
>>> >> >> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY
>>> >> >> GOD and
>>> >> >> your God" God (Yahweh) does NOT have a God!!!!
> ...
>>> God (Yahweh) has no other Gods.
>>
>> Correct. There is only one GOD ...
>>
>> ... GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
>
>
> You just named THREE. Can you count?????
>
> If you operate on a patient and use three clamps and only retrieve one
> (leaving the other two inside the patient) have you got all the clamps
> before stitching up the patient?????
>
> 1. GOD the Father - Yahweh
> 2. the Son - The human Messiah
> 5. the Holy Spirit. - Yahweh's shekinah glory (read
> http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=865&letter=H&search=holy%20spirit )
>
> Only ONE of the above is fully Yahweh!!!!
Mark, I wonder how you would reconcile God's kingdom (e.g. Ps 22:28, Mark
1:15) with Jesus' kingdom (i.e. John 18:36)? Can we have two kingdoms?
... just asking.
Mark T
>> 1. GOD the Father - Yahweh
>> 2. the Son - The human Messiah
>> 5. the Holy Spirit. - Yahweh's shekinah glory (read
>> http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=865&letter=H&search=holy%20spirit )
>>
>> Only ONE of the above is fully Yahweh!!!!
>
> Mark, I wonder how you would reconcile God's kingdom (e.g. Ps 22:28, Mark
> 1:15) with Jesus' kingdom (i.e. John 18:36)? Can we have two kingdoms?
Mark's gospel was written WAY before John's gospel.
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Mark - 65 - 80 CE
Source may be Peter
Messianic secret
Based on Deuteronomy / liturgy
All actions could be done in one week
John - 90 - 120 CE
Not the apostle
Written in Ephesus
Centred in Judea / Jerusalem not synoptic Galilee
Actions over 3-4 years instead of synoptics 1 year
Symbolic narrative
Focus on Wisdom and Word
Focus not self rather than kingdom of God
No Ascension or Pentecost
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Jesus probably said nothing recorded in John's gospel. In John 18:36 Jesus
does not own a kingdom but has kingship as Messiah. This is quite different
than being God (Yahweh).
Matthew 7:21-23 states "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will
enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who
is in heaven. Many
will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,
and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will
tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"
The word "Lord" here means "Boss / Sir" NOT God (Yahweh). It is the will of
Yahweh that matters, not the will of Jesus the human Messiah.
The problem is that each bible writer (and each translator!) have their own
agenda. There is no harmnonisation of the bible as some parts directly
contradict other parts. Added to that is the "Confusion of Lords".
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This is also about the "Confusion of Lords". Some Christians mistakenly
think that any reference to Adonai (Hebrew) or Kyrie (Greek) must be a
reference to
both Yahweh and Jesus of Nazareth ... at the same time.Yahweh was called
Lord and Jesus was called Lord so therefore the "Confusion of Lords" says
they must
be the same. Unfortunately no-one at church ever told me that Caesar was
also called "Lord and God and Saviour" around the same time. Nor did any of
the churches that I attend also tell me that a Boss was called Lord and the
king was called Lord. Lord was used in much the same way as we might say
"sir".
Furthermore, the OT uses "LORD" as a substitute for Yahweh. In the NT
Yqahweh is not mentioned by name by Jesus. Jesus addresses Yahweh as Abba
(Dad / Daddy) and NEVER states that Jesus, himself, is Yahweh. Jesus and
his disciples attended the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and worshipped Yahweh
there - NOT Jesus! After Jesus' death the disciples still attended the
Jewish Temple and still worshipped Yahweh (NOT Jesus!) there. The idea that
Jesus is somehow God (Yahweh) does not originate with the Jewish Christians
but with the Gentile Christians post 70 CE when the Temple is destroyed.
John (the fundamentalist Christian's favourite) is writing to GENTILES using
Greek thought via Philo (re: Logos) !!!!!
Psalm 110: 1 is translated by Christians as ". . . the Lord said to my
Lord..." meaning "GOD (Yahweh) said to my GOD (Jesus the Messiah)" - that is
WRONG!!!! The Hebrew does not support it!
The first "Lord" is a substitution for Yahweh and is therefore God BUT the
second "lord" is NOT Yahweh but an ordinary "boss / sir / lord" - in this
instance it is King David.
Matthew regularly stuffs things up by quoting OT verses wrongly - including
the infamous "virgin" for mary when the Hebrew says no such thing. This
also means that Matthew was NOT JEWISH and coulkd not have been the Matthew
of Jesus disciples as he did not understand Hebrew but used a Greek copy of
the OT.
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How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David? David
himself said by the Holy Spirit; "The Lord [kyrios] said to my Lord [kyrio
mou], 'Sit at My right hand, until I put your enemies beneath your feet.'
David himself calls him 'Lord,' how is he then his son? (Mark 12:35-37).
Mark's rendering uses the Greek word kyrios, "lord," twice in the sentence,
and the Christian translations into English capitalize the initial letter of
the word to read "Lord" in both instances.
Psalm 110:1 should be translated as .......
"HaShem [the Tetragrammaton] says to my master ['adoni]: 'Sit at My right
hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.'"
David "concerning" himself wrote Psalm 110 poetically in the third person.
The name of God [HaShem - the Tetragrammaton] refers to "God the Father".
"my master ['adonai]" refers to David as king.
The claim that David is actually (or also) referring to Jesus by the phrase
"my master" is not supported by the text.
The privilege of sitting at the right hand is a mark of distinction (1 Kings
2:19) and does not mean that "my master / lord / boss [Hebrew: 'adonai;
Greek: kyrios]" is in fact "God [Yahweh / Hashem - the Tetragrammaton]".
Read more at http://www.jewsforjudaism.com/web/handbook/s_resource.html
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Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
GODS (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
################################################################
For Jesus to be God, Jesus must be Yahweh (not just a part of a trinity
which includes Yahweh) who brought the tribe of Israel out of Egypt.
Why did Moses not know this? Why did Yahweh not tell Moses that Yahweh was
also a Holy Spirit (Shekinah glory) and Jesus of Nazareth, the human
Messiah?
r m
"Mark T" <wh@the87798374680934768306767998549> wrote in message
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Luke 22:30, Acts 17:7 perhaps?
Mark T
> Luke 22:30, Acts 17:7 perhaps?
Luke / Acts is one book but also has problems.
Luke / Acts - 80-130 CE
Roman recognition sought
Gentile interested in universalism
Focuses on spirit
Based on II Isaiah
Jesus portrayed as greater than Elijah
Luke 22:30 - that which the Messiah has kingship over not that which Yahweh
created and rules.
Acts 17:7 - king / lord / boss / sir / caesar / prime minister NOT Yahweh.
r m
"Mark T" <wh@the87798374680934768306767998549> wrote in message
What about Matt 16:28, 20:21, Mark 11:10?
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> "Mark T" wrote...
Easy-peasy. The whole lot of "books" were made-up, over the course of
roughly 800 years. All the "pre"dictions were actually postdictions, and
"Jesus" was entirely fictional, aside from being based on three
little-known prophets.
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Mark T
>>>>> >> >> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY
>>>>> >> >> GOD and
>>>>> >> >> your God" God (Yahweh) does NOT have a God!!!!
>>>>> God (Yahweh) has no other Gods.
>>>> Correct. There is only one GOD ...
...
> The whole lot of "books" were made-up, over the course of
> roughly 800 years. All the "pre"dictions were actually postdictions
Yep!
> "Jesus" was entirely fictional, aside from being based on three
> little-known prophets.
I disagree that there is no historical time / space Jesus of Nazareth but I
agree that John's gospel is largely fictional.
One doesn't need a bible to experience God. God is the Ground of all being
(re Tillich). "In him [GOD] we live and move and have our being" Acts 17:28
(quoting a pagan poem to Zeus adpated by Paul).
Definition.
God is
1. Being-itself.
2. the ultimate concern
3. the Ground of all being
4. the final reality
All mean the same thing.
God is NOT A BEING / CREATION / THING
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[Paul Tillich] ... 'The concept of a 'Personal God' interfering with natural
events, or being 'an independent cause of natural events', makes God a
natural object beside others, an object among others, a being among beings,
maybe the highest, but neveretheless A being. This indeed is not only the
destruction of the physical system but even more the destruction of any
meaningful idea of God.' .... instead we should seek to find a 'God' above
this personal God. p.438
... God who, as Being itself, was nearer to the I than our own ego.
Tillich preferred the definition of God as the Ground of being.
Participation in such a God above 'God' does not alienate us from the world
but immerses us in reality. It returns us to ourselves. Human beings have
to use symbols when they talk about Being-itself: to speak literally or
realistically about it is inaccurate and untrue. ... When Tillich was
speaking to laypeople, he preferred to replace the rather technical term
"Ground of being' with 'ultimate concern'. p. 439
from Karen Armstrong "A History of God" (Vintage:1999)