Doug Hanna and hd-radio-home.com deception
IBOCcrock
Here's interesting information that appeared on the web recently about
the future price of HD digital radios:
The HD Radio "Alliance" has the Money and Commitment for a 5-10 Year
Program to Transition the USA to HD AM/FM Radio; plus the Political
resources to Make-It-Happen by an Act-of-Congress and/or Rulling by
the FCC; which I suspect is coming in the next 3 Years to require that
all "new" Radios being Built or Imported in to the USA will be All
Digital-Mode AM/FM/DS "HD" Radios with Dual Mode IBOC and a Built-in
Direct-Satellite Interface.
NOTE - The Price Point of these All Digital-Mode AM/FM/DS "HD" Radios
will Drop Annually over a Period of several Years:
Using a 1/3 (-33%) Price Reduction per Year...
$500 for Year #1
$335 for Year #2
$225 for Year #3
$150 for Year #4
$100 for Year #5
So, at the End of Five (5) Years the Price of the "new" All Digital-
Mode AM/FM/DS "HD" Radios will be back at the present day Price to US
Consumers for the old Analog "Only" AM/FM Radio that has been around
for 40 Years.
"HD Radio Sales - Did I Get The Math Right?"
"The HD Radio 'Alliance' has the Money and Commitment for a 5-10 Year
Program to Transition the USA to HD AM/FM Radio; plus the Political
resources to Make-It-Happen by an Act-of-Congress and/or Rulling by
the FCC; which I suspect is coming in the next 3 Years to require that
all 'new' Radios being Built or Imported in to the USA will be All
Digital-Mode AM/FM/DS 'HD' Radios with Dual Mode IBOC and a Built-in
Direct-Satellite Interface..."
Hey RHF - he quoted your bogus information!
RHF
- Hey RHF - he quoted your bogus information!
Better To Quote Me Once : Then Read 100 of Your Bogus Posts !
.
IBOCcrock - Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There !
.
IBOC : The Killer-App for FM "HD" Radio's HD-2 Channels
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08e05095a43bec7b
.
Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ?
- "NO" The Answer is Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven
Radio Programming.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.broadcasting/msg/a51f1d45ea5...
.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
.
the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF
.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel
.
Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results :
HD-Radio - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results :
HD-Radio - http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
IBOCcrock
> �.
> Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ?
> - "NO" The Answer is Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven
> �.
> IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi�$
> �.
> the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF
> �.
> �.
> Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results :
> �.
> Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results :
> HD-Radio -http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
>
> - Show quoted text -
Although Hanna promotes the Hell of of hd-radio-home.com, he denies
that the site is owned by him - fingers would now point to that snake
Eduardo, as he lurks here, and posted some inflmatory/litigious
information about WYSL under "HD Radio" in WKIpedia; Savage threatened
legal action, if the deragatory information wasn't removed.
Scooter
Telamon
<69070291-8b25-4c44...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
IBOCcrock <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Do the Math"
>
> Here's interesting information that appeared on the web recently about
> the future price of HD digital radios:
>
> The HD Radio "Alliance" has the Money and Commitment for a 5-10 Year
> Program to Transition the USA to HD AM/FM Radio; plus the Political
> resources to Make-It-Happen by an Act-of-Congress and/or Rulling by
> the FCC; which I suspect is coming in the next 3 Years to require that
> all "new" Radios being Built or Imported in to the USA will be All
> Digital-Mode AM/FM/DS "HD" Radios with Dual Mode IBOC and a Built-in
> Direct-Satellite Interface.
>
> NOTE - The Price Point of these All Digital-Mode AM/FM/DS "HD" Radios
> will Drop Annually over a Period of several Years:
>
> Using a 1/3 (-33%) Price Reduction per Year...
>
> $500 for Year #1
> $335 for Year #2
> $225 for Year #3
> $150 for Year #4
> $100 for Year #5
< SNIP >
I'll give you a buck for one.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<ec7792c5-7d41-443b...@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
< SNIP >
Heck, I would not even give you one buck for the sum total of your posts.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
A Brown
do his darndest to cast a pall on any potential that HD radio might offer.
How else do you explain someone who can post all day and night on one
subject over and over again?
Otherwise, it's getting old....
"IBOCcrock" <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:69070291-8b25-4c44...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Brenda Ann
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-0...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
Feeling like throwing your money away this week? :)
IBOCcrock
> I get the feeling that IBOCcrock is on the payroll of either Surius or XM to
>
> How else do you explain someone who can post all day and night on one
> subject over and over again?
>
> Otherwise, it's getting old....
>
>
> news:69070291-8b25-4c44...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > "Do the Math"
>
> > Here's interesting information that appeared on the web recently about
> > the future price of HD digital radios:
>
> > Program to Transition the USA to HD AM/FM Radio; plus the Political
> > resources to Make-It-Happen by an Act-of-Congress and/or Rulling by
> > the FCC; which I suspect is coming in the next 3 Years to require that
> > all "new" Radios being Built or Imported in to the USA will be All
> > Digital-Mode AM/FM/DS "HD" Radios with Dual Mode IBOC and a Built-in
> > Direct-Satellite Interface.
>
> > NOTE - The Price Point of these All Digital-Mode AM/FM/DS "HD" Radios
> > will Drop Annually over a Period of several Years:
>
> > Using a 1/3 (-33%) Price Reduction per Year...
>
> > $500 for Year #1
> > $335 for Year #2
> > $225 for Year #3
> > $150 for Year #4
> > $100 for Year #5
>
> > So, at the End of Five (5) Years the Price of the "new" All Digital-
> > Mode AM/FM/DS "HD" Radios will be back at the present day Price to US
> > Consumers for the old Analog "Only" AM/FM Radio that has been around
> > for 40 Years.
>
> >http://www.hd-radio-home.com/
>
>
> > "TheHD Radio'Alliance' has the Money and Commitment for a 5-10 Year
> > Program to Transition the USA to HD AM/FM Radio; plus the Political
> > resources to Make-It-Happen by an Act-of-Congress and/or Rulling by
> > the FCC; which I suspect is coming in the next 3 Years to require that
> > all 'new' Radios being Built or Imported in to the USA will be All
> > Digital-Mode AM/FM/DS 'HD' Radios with Dual Mode IBOC and a Built-in
> > Direct-Satellite Interface..."
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/4zalud
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
YOU must be on iBiquity's/HD Alliance's payroll. If you don't like my
posts, tough shit! Someone needs to expose the Alliance's lies!
RHF
-
- I get the feeling that IBOCcrock is on the payroll of
- either Surius or XM to do his darndest to cast a pall
- on any potential that HD radio might offer.
-
- How else do you explain someone who can post all day
- and night on one subject over and over again?
-
- Otherwise, it's getting old....
- - http://www.hd-radio-home.com/
- - "HD Radio Sales - Did I Get The Math Right?"
- - http://tinyurl.com/4zalud
- - Hey RHF - he quoted your bogus information!
A Brown,
IBOCcrock is on no one's payroll : He is just a 'lacky' of
so-called "New Media" : iPod, Internet-Radio, XM, etc...
Read What IBOCcrock Writes : He Is "Anti" Free
Over-the-Air AM/FM Radio be it Analog or Digital.
.
A Brown
On Apr 16, 9:32?pm, "A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
> I get the feeling that IBOCcrock is on the payroll of either Surius or XM
> to
> do his darndest to cast a pall on any potential thatHD radiomight offer.
>
> How else do you explain someone who can post all day and night on one
> subject over and over again?
>
> Otherwise, it's getting old....
>
>>
YOU must be on iBiquity's/HD Alliance's payroll. If you don't like my
posts, tough shit! Someone needs to expose the Alliance's lies!
<<
I think the only thing you are exposing is that you are an obsessive nut who
has access to the internet.
D Peter Maus
It may be time to re-expose iBiquity's gag order.
RHF
- Yup HD still sucks!
Scooter,
HD-Radio : May Suck -but- The Suckers Will Make It a Success !
Just be Honest and Think About It for a Minute.
[ Thinking With-In The Box ]
To the Average {non-technical} AM/FM Radio Listener :
Who Lives in a Major Metro Area; and
Listens only to a Few (3~4) or Several (6~8) of
Their Local AM/FM "Analog" Radio Stations;
For Now IBOC AM/FM "HD" Radio has Changed Nothing.
Cause - They can still hear their good old "Analog"
Local AM/FM Radio Stations inspite of IBOC.
IBOC - Passes the First Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People being able to
Still Hear the Analog Mode. [No Diruption in Their Present
Analog Radio Listening.]
Sometime in the 'future' these Average Metro Area
AM/FM Radio Listeners with have the Need -of- 'feel'
the Want and Need to Buy a New "HD" AM/FM Radio.
Note - Maybe a heard an New "HD" AM/FM Radio in
a Rental Car -or- They bought a New Car and it came
with an "HD" AM/FM Radio -but- They Liked what they
Heard on the "HD" AM/FM Radio. So Now the Want
to have "Their Own" "HD" AM/FM Radio in their Home
to show "Their Family and Friends" I GOT AN "HD"
AM/FM Radio.
FWIW : This Is The Natural Consumer Process of :
feel it > Want It > NEED IT !
So- These Average Metro Area AM/FM Radio Listeners
Will Buy a "HD" AM/FM Radio.
IBOC - Passes the Second Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People Transitioning to
the Digital Mode. { The Process Has Begun Slowly and
over the Next Decade : It Will Continue To It's Conclusion
With AM/FM "Digital" HD-Radio 'Being' the Primary Mode
of AM/FM Radio Reception by the Vast Majority of Radio
Listeners. }
IBOC AM/FM HD-Radio Will Happen For Two Reasons :
* Most Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear No
Change in What They Hear With HD-Radio {It Ain't Bad}
* Some Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear a
Change "Think It Sounds Better" with HD-Radio {It's Good}
change happens, Change Happens. CHANGE HAPPENS !
IBOC by iBiquity and HD-Radio :
Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There !
.
IBOC : The Killer-App for FM "HD" Radio's HD-2 Channels
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08e05095a43bec7b
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5e276d6331cf001b
.
The Second 'best' use of the HD-2 Channels on the new
"Digital" FM HD-Radio Band would be... another current
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/726c1a11c04b603b
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7b7b5fb395ebac94
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulcast
Audio Sound Product with an Loyal Radio Listener Base
and Established Advertisers :
1 - Simulcasting AM Radio Sound on the FM HD-2 Channels
2 - Transitioning AM Radio Stations to an Expanded FM HD-Radio Band.
.
Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ?
- "NO" The Answer is Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven
Radio Programming.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.broadcasting/msg/a51f1d45ea5...
.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
.
the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF
.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel
.
Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results :
HD-Radio - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results :
HD-Radio - http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
Scooter
listen and the industry might then grow..
IBOCcrock
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
http://www.theindyvoice.com/george-bush-tells-america-fuck-you.jpg
IBOCcrock
> On Apr 16, 4:02 pm, "Scooter" <sm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Yup HD still sucks!
>
> Scooter,
>
> HD-Radio: May Suck -but- The Suckers Will Make It a Success !
>
> Just be Honest and Think About It for a Minute.
> [ Thinking With-In The Box ]
>
> To the Average {non-technical} AM/FM Radio Listener :
>
> Who Lives in a Major Metro Area; and
>
> Listens only to a Few (3~4) or Several (6~8) of
>
> Their Local AM/FM "Analog" Radio Stations;
>
> * Most Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear No
> * Some Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear a
>
> change happens, Change Happens. CHANGE HAPPENS !
>
> IBOC by iBiquity andHD-Radio:
> Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There !
> �.
> �.
> The Second 'best' use of the HD-2 Channels on the new
> Audio Sound Product with an Loyal Radio Listener Base
> and Established Advertisers :
> 1 - Simulcasting AM Radio Sound on the FM HD-2 Channels
> 2 - Transitioning AM Radio Stations to an Expanded FMHD-RadioBand.
> IsHD-Radio"The Answer" to AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ?
> - "NO" The Answer is Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven
> Radio Programming.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.broadcasting/msg/a51f1d45ea5...
> IBOC &HD-Radio= Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi�$
> �.
> the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF
> �.
> �.
> Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results :HD-Radio-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
> �.
> Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results :HD-Radio-http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
Do have all of this sit in a file for reposting? You truly are a kook!
IBOCcrock
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Too bad!
RHF
> On Apr 17, 9:40�pm, "A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
>
> > "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:731e0537-dc69-4126...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 16, 9:32?pm, "A Brown" <Rob@rob*nospam*p.com> wrote:
A Brown -wrote-
- - - - I get the feeling that IBOCcrock is on the payroll
- - - - of either Surius or XM to do his darndest to cast
- - - - a pall on any potential thatHD radiomight offer.
- - - -
- - - - How else do you explain someone who can post
- - - - all day and night on one subject over and over again?
- - - -
- - - - Otherwise, it's getting old....
IBOCcrock -wrote-
- - - YOU must be on iBiquity's/HD Alliance's payroll.
- - - If you don't like my posts, tough shit!
- - - Someone needs to expose the Alliance's lies!
"The Alliance" - IBOCcrock are you a WWE / WCW / ECW
Professional Wrestling AficTionAdo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alliance_%28wrestling%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wrestling_Entertainment
A Brown -wrote-
- - I think the only thing you are exposing is that you
- - are an obsessive nut who has access to the internet.
IBOCcrock -wrote-
- Too bad!
IBOCcrock ? Too Bad! ? -actually- So Sad. ~ RHF
.
READ - IBOC : HD-Radio May Suck
-but- It Is The Suckers That Will Make It a Success ! -by- RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d8dd8d5d3b0865c7
.
IBOCcrock -of- HD Radio Farce Blog-Spot
http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/
.
DOH ! Quoting a Blog/Newsgroup : AIN'T NEWS -or- FACTUAL [.]
.
Hoping, Wanting and Dreaming That IBOC Will Go Away :
Ain't Going To Make It Happen . ~ RHF
.
IBOC : HD-Radio May Suck -but- It Is The Suckers
That Will Make It a Success ! -by- RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0ce2564e2517a12c
.
HD-Radio : May Suck -but- The Suckers Will Make It a Success !
.
Just be Honest and Think About It for a Minute.
[ Thinking With-In The {Radio} Box ]
.
To the Average {non-technical} AM/FM Radio Listener :
.
Who Lives in a Major Metro Area; and
.
Listens only to a Few (3~4) or Several (6~8) of
.
Their Local AM/FM "Analog" Radio Stations;
.
For Now IBOC AM/FM "HD" Radio has Changed Nothing.
.
Cause - They can still hear their good old "Analog"
Local AM/FM Radio Stations inspite of IBOC.
.
IBOC - Passes the First Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People being able to
Still Hear the Analog Mode. [No Diruption in Their Present
Analog Radio Listening.]
.
Sometime in the 'future' these Average Metro Area
AM/FM Radio Listeners with have the Need -of- 'feel'
the Want and Need to Buy a New "HD" AM/FM Radio.
.
Note - Maybe a heard an New "HD" AM/FM Radio in
a Rental Car -or- They bought a New Car and it came
with an "HD" AM/FM Radio -but- They Liked what they
Heard on the "HD" AM/FM Radio. So Now the Want
to have "Their Own" "HD" AM/FM Radio in their Home
to show "Their Family and Friends" I GOT AN "HD"
AM/FM Radio.
.
FWIW : This Is The Natural Consumer Process of :
feel it > Want It > NEED IT !
.
So- These Average Metro Area AM/FM Radio Listeners
Will Buy a "HD" AM/FM Radio.
.
IBOC - Passes the Second Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People Transitioning to
the Digital Mode. { The Process Has Begun Slowly and
over the Next Decade : It Will Continue To It's Conclusion
With AM/FM "Digital" HD-Radio 'Being' the Primary Mode
of AM/FM Radio Reception by the Vast Majority of Radio
Listeners. }
.
IBOC AM/FM HD-Radio Will Happen For Two Reasons :
* Most Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear No
Change in What They Hear With HD-Radio {It Ain't Bad}
* Some Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear a
Change "Think It Sounds Better" with HD-Radio {It's Good}
.
change happens, Change Happens. CHANGE HAPPENS !
.
IBOC by iBiquity and HD-Radio :
Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There !
.
IBOC : The Killer-App for FM "HD" Radio's HD-2 Channels
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08e05095a43bec7b
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5e276d6331cf001b
.
The Second 'best' use of the HD-2 Channels on the new
"Digital" FM HD-Radio Band would be... another current
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/726c1a11c04b603b
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7b7b5fb395ebac94
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulcast
Audio Sound Product with an Loyal Radio Listener Base
and Established Advertisers :
1 - Simulcasting AM Radio Sound on the FM HD-2 Channels
2 - Transitioning AM Radio Stations to an Expanded FM HD-Radio Band.
.
Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ?
- "NO" The Answer is Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven
Radio Programming.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.broadcasting/msg/a51f1d45ea5...
.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
.
the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF
.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel
.
Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results :
HD-Radio - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results :
HD-Radio - http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
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Telamon
<ed1dc4a3-0c2d-4a70...@l25g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
< SNIP >
I'm sure you had something to say in this total mess of a post I sniped
but I'm also sure it wasn't worth reading.
What is "too bad" is that you will never have a clue.
And how is our news group idiot doing this evening?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
wrote:
> In article
> <ed1dc4a3-0c2d-4a70-bc84-50ace4900...@l25g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> < SNIP >
>
> I'm sure you had something to say in this total mess of a post I sniped
> but I'm also sure it wasn't worth reading.
- What is "too bad" is that you will never have a clue.
-
- And how is our news group idiot doing this evening?
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
PONG : Telamon - What Is "Too Bad" Is That You Will Never Have A Clue.
teli - what you post says a lot about you ~ RHF
.
Telamon
<ead86910-64a7-409f...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
Yes it does but unfortunately for you what you post does not say much
about you.
And how is our news group retard doing this fine evening?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
m II
> And how is our news group retard doing this fine evening?
>
He posted the following just a little while ago. It's YOUR style of
posting. I know you like them because you NEVER complain. Why is that?
Steve Lare's LATEST:
===============
Hey, Chink Boy, I got a real Rolex, still ticking after 33 years.. shove
it up your slant eyed ass.
===============
mike
dxAce
m II wrote:
> Telamon wrote:
>
> > And how is our news group retard doing this fine evening?
> >
>
> He posted the following just a little while ago.
A little while ago? You dumbass Canucks have a strange sense of time.
You need to buy a chink watch!
m II
> You need to buy a chink watch!
The guy you voted for sells them. I'm not surprised he needs YOU for a
salesman.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html
That's hilarious..71 percent disapproval...coincidently, your caregiver
tell me the number matches your intelligence quotient.
*FIVE* years after 'Mission Accomplished'!
mike
Telamon
> Telamon wrote:
>
> > And how is our news group retard doing this fine evening?
> >
>
>
> He posted the following just a little while ago. It's YOUR style of
> posting. I know you like them because you NEVER complain. Why is that?
< SNIP >
He has not answered so I asked again. Stop complaining.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California