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claudi...@sbcglobal.net

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When Enron cooked the books, there were -- rightly -- no end of
indignant columns and talk shows condemning these high-paid fraudsters
who massaged the numbers to fit their agenda and bolster their bank
accounts.

The whistleblower who tried to get Enron to change its evil ways --
Sherron Watkins -- was named, along with two other whistleblowing
women -- TIME magazine's Persons of the Year for 2002.

But when it comes to scientists who whistleblow about IPCC reports
cooked by politicians to fit their politicized agendas, those
whistleblowers are either ignored or dismissed as "skeptics" or quacks
and are libelled as haters of this planet and nature, even though most
of them have dedicated their lives to studying nature and protecting
it.


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Vendicar Decarian

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<claudi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote

> When Enron cooked the books, there were -- rightly -- no end of
> indignant columns and talk shows condemning these high-paid fraudsters
> who massaged the numbers to fit their agenda and bolster their bank
> accounts.

When Enron was cooking it's books, Georgie Bush was sitting back, lauging
and refusing to lift one finger to stop the Rape of California.

RepubliKKKanism = Treason.

raylopez99

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Besides Enron being wrongly decided (no way should Enron officers be
jailed for life for essentially an economic crime where the
participants included gullible and willing shareholders), consider
that in Enron real people lost real money.

So far, with the IPCC, with it's parlour talk and cocktail party
conversation starters, nobody has lost real money promoting greenhouse
gas suppression (even with lame Kyoto). That might change if the US
adopts some of the more extreme positions the Greens want--and 20
years from now, if AGW is proved false, who is going to go to jail?

Posterity is taking names for future trials ala Enron. Roger, you
willing to go to jail for being a Chicken Little and causing economic
waste?

RL


McCain Adulterer Shitbag

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On Feb 25, 9:36 am, claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> When Enron cooked the books, there were -- rightly -- no end of
> indignant columns and talk shows condemning these high-paid fraudsters
> who massaged the numbers to fit their agenda and bolster their bank
> accounts.
>
> The whistleblower who tried to get Enron to change its evil ways --
> Sherron Watkins -- was named, along with two other whistleblowing
> women -- TIME magazine's Persons of the Year for 2002.
>
> But when it comes to scientists who whistleblow about IPCC reports
> cooked by politicians to fit their politicized agendas, those
> whistleblowers are either ignored or dismissed as "skeptics" or quacks
> and are libelled as haters of this planet and nature, even though most
> of them have dedicated their lives to studying nature and protecting
> it.

The A.S.S. Coalition (TASSC) & Global Warming
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Abstract
To circumvent its lack of credibility with the public, policy makers
and the media, Philip Morris (PM) uses the strategy of creating front
groups. Forming an artificial third party and then assigning it an
"umbrella cause" (one which happens to mesh perfectly with the tobacco
industry's) gives PM and the industry the opportunity to create a
wholly separate, and far more credible, mouthpiece advance its
policies and political desires. In PM's front group "Associates for
Research in Substance Enjoyment," (ARISE) "scientists" lumped tobacco
use together with innocuous substances like tea and chocolate, put out
worldwide press releases saying substance use was good for you and
declared public health advocates to be puritanical, neo-prohibitionist
party poopers. After the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
declared secondhand smoke as a Class A Human Carcinogen, PM needed a
powerful group to rise up help discredit EPA's findings. Thus PM
formed "The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition," or TASSC.
Recognizing that the chemical, paper, metal, petroleum and other
environmentally-dubious industries would also be thrilled to have a
group of "committed experts" who would publicly say that scientific
warnings against their activities were not credible, PM invited these
industries to join TASSC. With the needs clear and a host of willing
help-mates waiting in the wings, PM created TASSC through a public
relations firm called APCO Associates, which helped PM distance itself
from the group. After a 2-month, $50,000 feasibility study done hand
in hand with PM's law firm of Covington and Burling, APCO began
forming TASSC. APCO did an admirable job of recruiting members for
TASSC, too. The "supporters list" (found in another document) includes
businesses from the "Family Loompya Seafood Market" and "Pinckneyville
Lighting" to sawmills, mining and chemical companies, including W.R.
Grace, Co., Amoco, and Dow Chemical. Today's document reveals the
goals of TASSC, and also APCO's enthusiasm for creating a similar
group in Europe based on its success in America and elsewhere. Title:
Thoughts on TASSC Europe Type of Document: Memo From: Tom Hockaday of
APCO Associates To: Matt Winokur, Director, Worldwide Regulatory
Affairs for Philip Morris Date: 19940324 Site: Philip Morris Tobacco
Company http://www.pmdocs.com/ Bates No. 2025492898/2905 Page Count: 8
URL: http://www.pmdocs.com/getallimg.asp?DOCID=2025492898/2905

03/28/94 15:25 '8`202 466 6004 APCO ASSOCIATES 0004 -3 - As a starting
point, we can identify key issues requiring sound scientific research
and scientists that may have an interest in them. Some issues our
European colleagues suggest include: . Global warming · Nuclear waste
disposal · Diseases and pests in agricultural products for
transborder trade · Biotechnology . Eco-labeling for EC products

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http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2024233595-3602.html
Thoughts on Tassc Europe
Date: 25 Mar 1994

-3- As a starting point, we can identify key issues requiring sound
scientific research and scientists that may have an interest in them.
Some issues our European colleagues suggest include: . Global
warming . Nuclear waste disposal . Diseases and pests in agricultural
products for transborder trade . Biotechnology . Eco-labeling for EC
products . Food processing and packaging

-5- decisions. The supporters of the Appeal are a loose-knit group.
The effort to expand the support of the Appeal is handled through Dr.
M. Saloman of the International Center for Scientific Ecology (Paris).

In discussions with a number of our scientific supporters and with Dr.
Fred Singer (a member of the Board of the International Center for
Scientific Ecology), there is belief that this initial support could
be organized into a more "formal movement" internationally. The
benefits of attempting to use this group as a basis of extending TASSC
include: Several of TASSC's scientists have signed the Appeal,
providing the opportunity to approach the supporters with a "peer to
peer" approach, i.e. , a "Dear Colleague" letter.

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http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_m2/TI15842109.html
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 28, 1993 THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER A truth squad
for monitoring shaky science
Date: 28 Dec 1993

TASSC should work to make fiascos like the Alar scare as familiar to
students as rain forests or global warming.

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http://tobaccodocuments.org/mayo_clinic/82000099.html
TASSC The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition

"It is neither reasonable nor prudent for major political decisions to
be based on presumptions which, in the current state of knowledge, are
still only hypotheses, although they must certainly be examined and
even taken into account. The more or less apocalyptic scenarios evoked
in the preparatory, work for the Rio conference are not the kind of
certitudes which can be used as a basis for political decisions likely
to entail major upheavals and heavy expenditure on a global scale."
~Michael Salomon, Editorial Director, Projections Quarterly, Autumn-
Winter 1992

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http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2028363773-3791.html
Scientists for Sound Public Policy Assessment Project and Symposium
Date: 1994 (est.)
Length: 19 pages

EXPLANATIONS · The political decision-makers are vulnerable to
activists' emotional appeals and press campaigns · The opinion climate
tends to favour overly simplified solutions The precautionary
principle is now the accepted guideline. Even if a hypothesis is not
100 per cent scientifically proven, action should be taken, e.g.
global warming Europe's industry is often on the defensive. Action is
typically taken when it is too late. And industrial resistence is
perceived as protection of commercial self-interests.

Burson-Marsteller

===============
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025493202-3207.html
Date: 26 Apr 1994 (est.)
Length: 6 pages

Many industries trying to establish groups to "communicate science"
and "to lobby" EUFIC (food industry) SAGB (biotechnology) Heidelberg
Appeal (global warming)

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http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2024102283-2287.html
Date: 1992 (est.)
Length: 5 pages

SEITZ SYMPOSIUM
*Late lst quarter/early 2nd quarter
*Procedural Options for Addressing the Scientific Issue Highlighted in
Global Warming and Ozone Hole Controversies, Dr. Frederick Seitz of
the George C. Marshall Institute
*40-60 regulators--Ensure credible science
*TASSC

===============
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046451070-1139.html
Science, Economics, and Environmental Policy: A Critical Examination
Date: 11 Aug 1994
Length: 70 pages

===============
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025802450-2451.html
Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process Semi-Final Program
930524 - 930525 the Madison Hotel 15th and M Streets, Nw Washington,
D.C.
Date: 19930525/D
Length: 2 pages

CONFERENCE OVERVIEW: From global warming and ozone depletion to
biotechnology and food additives

Dr.. S. Fred Singer (Moderator) University of Virginia; president, The
Science & Environmental Policy Project

Dr. S. Fred Singer, president The Science & Environmental Policy
Project. 9:15

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Environmental Tobacco Smoke
Date: 09 Dec 1996
Length: 13 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/batco/800298146-8158.html

Press Release of The Science & Environmental Policy Project "TOP FIVE
ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY 'MYTHS' OF 1995 TO BE RELEASED BY SCIENCE AND
ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY PROJECT: List Challenges Costly Policies Not
Supported By Sound Scientific Data," January 10, 1996

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Philip Morris
Date: 31 Mar 1993
Length: 1 page
2025802449
Jump To Images
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025802449.html

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http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2021178213-8216.html
Philip Morris
Possible Individuals to Be Approached for Opinion Editorials
Date: 02 Mar 1993
Length: 4 pages

Candace Crandall -- Executive Vice President of the Science and
Environmental Policy Project (SEPP).

She has published extensively on junk science issues in the past.
Crandall' was the Director of Communications for the Center for
Strategic and International' Studies before joining, SEPP. The primary
focus of SEPP is too document the use of scientific data in the
development of federal environmental policy. SEPP is an independent,
non-profi research group that relies on private funding.

It will co-sponsor a conference with George Mason University in May on
scientific integrity in the political process, Crandall has arranged
for a number of prominent scientists to be participants, including Dr.
Bernard Davis of Harvard University and1 Sir William Mitchell of'
Oxford University.

Crandall is Dr: Fred Singer's wife.

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Issue Report Alexis Whither Environmental Regulation
Date: 01 Jul 1993
Length: 6 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_s2/TI31741185.html

Dr. S. Fred Singer is Professor of Environmental Sciences at the
University of Virginia and directs the Washington- based Science &
Environmental Policy Project. He is currently working on a study on
environmental regulation for the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution.

===============
Philip Morris
Anthology of 950000's Environmental Myths
Date: 11 Feb 1996
Length: 3 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2048280356-0358.html

Copyright 1996 News World Communications, Inc. The Washington Times
February 11, 1996, Sunday, Final Edition SECTION: Part B; COMMENTARY;
Pg. B3 LENGTH: 1377 words HEADLINE: Anthology of 1995's environmental
myths BYLINE: S. Fred Singer

BODY: The primary mission of the Science & Environmental Policy
Project has been to study and analyze how science is used - or
missused - in the setting of federal environmental policies, and then
expose the most egregious examples of environmental malfeasance. There
are so many: Superfund, asbestos, Alar, acid rain, to mention just a
few - all of them costing mega-billions and backed by insubstantial
science. When we decided to list the greatest environmental myths of
1995, our board _ of experts finally settled on the following five
topics that demonstrate distortion or misuse of science in shaping
policies. We present them here to educate policy-makers and the public
in the hope that the publicity will lead to more cost-effective
policies and a healthier environment. (1) Global warming and the
Climate Treaty: During 1995, scare stories about a future catastrophic
greenhouse warming gained much momentum, while at the same time the
evidence for such warming became weaker and weaker. At the first
"Conference of the Parties" to the Global Climate Treaty in Berlin in
April, the science was ignored while the assembled "statesmen" went
ahead to establish a permanent secretariat and plan further mega-
meetings. In September, at the initiative of Al Gore, a Washington
conference promoted a new fear tied to global warming: a spread of
tropical diseases putting 3 billion people at risk. Finally, in
November (in Madrid) and December (in Rome), the U.N.-sponsored
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the scientific arm
of the Treaty, managed to approve two pre-drafted summary reports.
These can charitably be described as being "economical with the
truth."...

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Philip Morris
Is the Concept of Linear Relationship Between Dose and Effect Still A
Valid Model for Assessing Risk Related to Low Doses of Carcinogens? A
Restricted International Scientific Seminar 930510 - Paris (France)
Date: 10 May 1993
Length: 5 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2028385383-5387.html

International Center for a Scientific Ecology Is the concept of linear
relationship between dose and effoct still a valid model for assessing
risk related to low doses of ets? A restricted international
scienfific Seminar May 10, 1993 - Paris (France)

The seminar is organised by the International Centre for a Scientific
Ecology (see Introduction to the Centre in the appendix). The
scientific work is organised by Dr Michel Salomon, the coordinator of
the Heidelberg Appeal.

Prof. S. Fred Singer, Doctor of Physical Science; President of the
Science & Environmental Policy Project; former Director, US Weather
Satellite Program; Dean of the School of Environmental Sciences,
University of Miami; Deputy Assistant Administrator of US
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA); American. nationality;

Dr. Michel Salomon, coordinator of the Heidelberg Appeal; former
science journalist; magazine editor; French nationality.

===============
Philip Morris
Dr. S. Fred Singer, Director the Science and Environmental Policy
Project
Date: 08 Mar 1993 (est.)
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2021178209.html

===============
Brown & Williamson
Public Affairs Strategies.
Date: 1900
Length: 4 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/1059809.html

(#8) SCIENCE & ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY PROJECT From a strategic
standpoint, we believed the most effective way to publicize the report
would be through a credibl]e highly respected "third party".

So we brought the report to the attention of the 'Science &
Environmental Policy Project", SEPP, as it is known, is a Fairfax,
Va., think-tank that studies and analyzes how science is used in
federal policy-making and encourages the use of sound science. After
reading the CRS report, SEPP was equally concerned the EPA's
conclusions and agreed more visibility was in or@er.

{#9) SEPP NEWS RELEASE With B&W's assistance, SEEP launched a media
relations campaign in January calling attention to the "Top Five
Environmental Myths of 1995." While such issues as "global warming"
and radon were on the list, the focus was on ETS.

(#10) WASHINGTON TIMES "OP ED" In addition to news releases, SEPP
wrote "Op ed" pieces and conducted interviews on radio and television.
SEPP is continuing the "environmental myths" campaign, extending
discussion of the subject to speeches by Dr. Fred Singer, SEPP's
executive director. It's one strategy to help balance the debate.

===============
Mayo Clinic
Length: 37 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/mayo_clinic/85002238.html

THE INTERNATIONAL CENTER FOR A SCIENTIFIC ECOLOGY The Center has been
created at the beginning of 1993 under the French law for nomprolit
organizations.

The Board of the Center includes in particular:
- Mr Pierre Joly. President of the Association Francaise pour la
Recherche Therapeutique : former President of the International
Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association ;

- Mr Constant Burg. honorary member of the State Council ; honorary
managing director of INSERM : President of the lnstitut Curie:

- Mr Gilbert Rutman. chief mining engineer: President of the Conseil
Natioflal des Ingenieurs et des Scientifiques de France:

- Prof. S. Fred Singer. Doctor of Physical Science : President of the
Science & Environmental Policy Project : former Director US Weather
Satellite Program : Dean of the School of Environmental Sciences.
University of Miami : Deputy Assistant Administrator of US
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) :

- Mr Gary Nash. Secretary General of the International Council on
Metals and the Environment (ICME) : former Director General in the
Canada Department of Energy. Mines und Resources :

- Dr. Michel Salomon, coordinator of the Heidelberg Appeal ; former
science journalist : magazine editor.

===============
Philip Morris
Top Five Environmental Policy "Myths" of 950000 to Be Released by
Science and Environmental Policy Project
Date: 1995 (est.)
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2065122118.html

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Philip Morris
the Delaney Clause - Linchpin of the Environmental Policy Edifice
Date: 10 May 1993
Length: 4 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2501171259-1262.html

The Delaney Clause-Linchpin of the Environmental Policy Edifice Prof.
S. Fred Singer

S. Fred Singer Director, Science & Environmental Policy Project
Arlington, Virginia

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Philip Morris
Junk Science at the Epa
Date: 08 Mar 1993 (est.)
Length: 3 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2021178206-8208.html

S. Fred Singer Visiting fellovv at the Hoover Institution at Stanford
University and President of the Washington. D C.-baed Science &
Environrnental Policy Project

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http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2065122122.html
Philip Morris
Sepp - Environmental Myths of 950000 - Smt Participant Broadcast
Details
Date: 1995 (est.)
Length: 1 page

===============
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2065122119-2121.html
Philip Morris
Top Five Environmental Policy "Myths" of 950000 to Be Released by
Science and Environmental Policy Project
Date: 10 Jan 1996
Length: 3 pages

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Philip Morris
Seminar of 930510 on the Linear Relationship
Date: 31 Mar 1993
Length: 3 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2028443741-3743.html

Opening speech by Chairman of the Seminar, Prof. Bruce N. Ames
(Biologist'4 Dir., Nat. Inst. of EnvironmentallHealth Sciences Center,
Berkeley, U.S.A.). 9/9.20 a.m. · How biofogically based modeis may
help extrapolating cancer risk to low doses.

· The Delaney amendment and its consequences on the American
regufation. Prof. S. Fred Singer (Physicist, former Dir., US Weather
Satellite Program; President, Science & Environmental Policy Project,
U'.S.A.). 10.20/10.30 a.m.

Noon · Case studies: Predictions and reality. - The Arsenic case.
Prof. Gerhard Stohrer (former chief, Dept!. of chemical risk, Research
Inst. Sloan-Kettering~ U.S.A.).

The DDT case. Dr. William Hazeltine (Ph.D., entomo!bgist, former
Manager of mosquito abatement in California, U.S:A.).

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Philip Morris
Update 930419
Date: 19 Apr 1993
Length: 7 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2025475593-5599.html

CONFERENCE/MEETING: Scientific Integrity in the Public Process
SPONSOR: International Institute of George Mason University and the
Science and Environmental Policy Project DATE: May 24-25, 1993
LOCATION: The Madison Hotel, Washington, DC TELEPHONE NUMBER:
703-993-8200

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BATCo
[Note from Heather Cooke to Tom Fitzgerald regarding report issued by
The Science & Environmental Policy Project SEPP]
Date: 27 Feb 1996
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/batco/700520244.html

BRITISH-AMERICAN TOBACCO COMPANY LIMITED To: FACSIMILE MR TOM
FITZGERALD I From: HEATHER COOKE Company: Brown & Williamson Phone
01784 448045 'Tobacco Corp Number: Fax No: Fax No: 0"784 448654 Date:
27/02/96 Pages To Follow: 3 Comments: I am trying to get hold of a
report issued by The Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)
which relates to the attached press release. Do you have a copy that
you can fax to me or know where I might be able to get hold of a copy?
Many thanks Heather Cooke Administrator, Smoking Issues

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Philip Morris
Toxic Policy at Dead End: the Case of Arsenic
Date: 10 May 1993 (est.)
Length: 6 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2502146148-6153.html

International Center for a Scientific Ecology Seminar on linear risk
assessment May 10, 1993 Toxic Policy at Dead End: The Case of Arsenic
Gerhard Strohrer Science and Environmental Policy Project 2101 Wilson
Boulevard, Suite 1003 Arlington, Virginia 22201

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Philip Morris
Give Industry A Bigger Science Rol
Date: 19921229/P
Length: 1 page
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2074144040.html

Patrick J. Michaels is associate professor of environmental sciences
at the University Virginia and is affiliated with the Washington-based
Science & Environment Policy Project. The Science & Environmental
Policy Project, 2101 Wilson Blvd., #1003, Arlington, VA 22201 .(703)
527-0130

===============

McCain Adulterer Shitbag

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On Apr 6, 5:52 am, "raylopez99" <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 25, 9:36 am, claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>
>
> > When Enron cooked the books, there were -- rightly -- no end of
> > indignant columns and talk shows condemning these high-paid fraudsters
> > who massaged the numbers to fit their agenda and bolster their bank
> > accounts.
>
> > The whistleblower who tried to get Enron to change its evil ways --
> > Sherron Watkins -- was named, along with two other whistleblowing
> > women -- TIME magazine's Persons of the Year for 2002.
>
> > But when it comes to scientists who whistleblow about IPCC reports
> > cooked by politicians to fit their politicized agendas, those
> > whistleblowers are either ignored or dismissed as "skeptics" or quacks
> > and are libelled as haters of this planet and nature, even though most
> > of them have dedicated their lives to studying nature and protecting
> > it.

> Besides Enron being wrongly decided (no way should Enron officers be


> jailed for life for essentially an economic crime where the
> participants included gullible and willing shareholders), consider
> that in Enron real people lost real money.
>
> So far, with the IPCC, with it's parlour talk and cocktail party
> conversation starters, nobody has lost real money promoting greenhouse
> gas suppression (even with lame Kyoto). That might change if the US
> adopts some of the more extreme positions the Greens want--and 20
> years from now, if AGW is proved false, who is going to go to jail?
>
> Posterity is taking names for future trials ala Enron. Roger, you
> willing to go to jail for being a Chicken Little and causing economic
> waste?
>
> RL

The A.S.S. Coalition (TASSC) & Global Warming

Vendicar Decarian

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<claudi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote

> But when it comes to scientists who whistleblow about IPCC reports
> cooked by politicians to fit their politicized agendas, those
> whistleblowers are either ignored or dismissed as "skeptics" or quacks
> and are libelled as haters of this planet and nature, even though most
> of them have dedicated their lives to studying nature and protecting
> it.

Several scientists in the latest round of the IPCC synthesis report
released today are quite upset by the process which allowed Government
propagandists to remove and water down key parts of the Summary Report for
Policy makers.

The scientists invariably felt that the final report did not adequately
reflect on the amount of damage that will result from Climate Change.

In particular the U.S. objection to removing the statements claiming thtat
it was likely that severe economic damage to the North AmeriKKKa would
result from the ongoing process of climate change, were cited as an example
of how the report was watered down.

The question becomes then... Why does the Bush Administration want to
purge the report of any statement regarding the severe economic hardship
that will result from the Administration's policy to do nothing about
Climate Change?

The answer is self evident isn't it?


Shitbag Adulterer McCain

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> <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote

Vendicar Decarian

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"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote

> Posterity is taking names for future trials ala Enron. Roger, you
> willing to go to jail for being a Chicken Little and causing economic
> waste?

Why did the Bush administration move to remove the warnings in the IPCC
report that warn of severe economic damage to the AmeriKKKan economy as a
result of the ongoing process of Global Warming?

It is pretty clear that the KKKonservatives are now looking for ways to
hide their complicity in the massive economic crisis looming for AmeriKKKa.

With regard to Exxon.. First we will take their wealth, and then we will
take their lives.

Shitbag Adulterer McCain

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On Apr 6, 2:15 pm, "Vendicar Decarian" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com>
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> "raylopez99" <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote

The visible SOCIOPATHY of Reichwinger

Apparently you are not qualified to diagnose your own evident
sociopathy.

I conveniently provided a webpage with the most conspicuous symptoms
listed: you don't need them all -- just three is sufficient for a
positive diagnosis.

http://h2-pv.us/Bush-Hitler/Blogspot/Sociopathy.html
DSM-IV-TR Handbook of Differential Diagnosis
by Michael B. First, Allen, MD Frances, Harold Alan, MD Pincus
Paperback: 247 pages
Publisher: American Psychiatric Association; 1st edition (January,
2002)
ISBN: 1585620548

SOCIOPATHY
The DSM-IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders,
defines anti-social personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of
disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since
age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful
behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds
for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases,
or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or
assaults
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or
rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

In this case, we see symptoms #3, lack of future
planning, #2 lying, #4 aggressiveness towards those who can't stop
your
killing them from their position of vulnerability, #5 reckless,
disregard for those damaged by your words and acts, #6 no accepting
responsibility for what you are doing, #7 no remorse, and #1 is known
that you accept the criminal frauds of others and use them to your
purposes, making you a known accessory after the fact.

Did I leave anything out?

Vendicar Decarian

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Vendicar Decarian wrote:
>> With regard to Exxon.. First we will take their wealth, and then we
>> will
>> take their lives.

"Shitbag Adulterer McCain" <Adulterer.Sh...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote


> The visible SOCIOPATHY of Reichwinger


Americans Flunk Science Basics
Charles Petit, Chronicle Science Writer

Quick: How long does it take the Earth to go around the sun?
If you answered one year, congratulations. Count yourself among America's
better-informed half.

Only 47 percent of Americans correctly answered that question -- an
indication,
science leaders said yesterday in Washington, that although Americans
overwhelmingly admire and support science, they are a little fuzzy about
some of
its most rudimentary revelations.

About 20 percent think that the sun rotates around the Earth, a possibility
Copernicus and Galileo supposedly buried centuries ago. And
among those who rightly put the sun at the middle of things, 20 percent
think
the Earth circles it once a day.

Fewer than 1 in 10 can explain what a molecule is. And less than a fourth of
Americans can describe any of the reasons for the thinning of the ozone
layer.
A report released yesterday by the National Science Foundation, the federal
government's primary agency for supporting basic research, also found that
Americans tend to equate science with high- technology gadgets, which most
people like, but not with the process of discovery that leads to new
knowledge
and inventions.

``The good news is that even though the world is changing around us a lot,
basic
public confidence that science yields a better life is very, very solid,''
said
Jon Miller of the International Center for the Study of Scientific Literacy
at
the Chicago Academy of Sciences, which polled more than 2,000 Americans as
part
of the report.

About 55 percent of Americans use a computer at home or at work, and about
72
percent say that the benefits of scientific research outweigh the harmful
results. Some 13 percent say science causes more harm than good; the rest
have
no opinion.

``Most Americans think a satellite or a computer or an intensive care unit
are
all examples of science,'' Miller said. ``But they don't get the process of
science. They don't know what an experiment is or what a scientific theory
is.''

The study found that 64 percent of Americans have no understanding of the
nature
of scientific inquiry. About 34 percent understand some elements of how
experiments work. But just 2 percent understand what a scientific theory is:
an
explanation of a phenomenon based on testable, repeatable and generally
accepted
observations.

The survey also found that 40 percent of Americans are very confident in the
leadership of the scientific and medical communities. But only 1 in 9
Americans
feels well-informed about science and technology.
And although Americans may not remember much of the science they may have
learned in school, they tend to accept scientific facts when they are
presented
with them.

``One exception, where they reject standard science, is evolution,'' Miller
said. The latest study verifies earlier ones showing that only about 40
percent
of Americans believe that humans descend from apelike ancestors. In nearly
all
other industrial nations, about 80 percent accept evolution as fact.
The National Science Foundation report comes out as reductions of 25 percent
or
more in federal support for scientific research appear inevitable in both
Republican and White House proposals to balance the budget by the year 2002.
And next week in Sacramento, the Science and Technology Summit for
California
will bring together leaders from industry, universities and state and
federal
science agencies to discuss the impact of the proposed budget reductions and
the
potential for expanding scientific research in the state.

The two-day meeting starts Tuesday and will include the release of a poll
about
what Californians know and think about science. Participants will include
University of California President Richard Atkinson, White House Associate
Science Director Ernest Moniz and National Science Foundation director Neal
Lane.


raylopez99

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On Apr 6, 2:15 pm, "Vendicar Decarian" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "raylopez99" <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote

>
> > Posterity is taking names for future trials ala Enron. Roger, you
> > willing to go to jail for being a Chicken Little and causing economic
> > waste?
>
> Why did the Bush administration move to remove the warnings in the IPCC
> report that warn of severe economic damage to the AmeriKKKan economy as a
> result of the ongoing process of Global Warming?

Because they believe in growth. THis is the traditional way to get
elected and stay elected as a pol. More jobs, more grwth, more 'good
feelings' (except in this NG).


>
> It is pretty clear that the KKKonservatives are now looking for ways to
> hide their complicity in the massive economic crisis looming for AmeriKKKa.
>

Adopting severe anti-GW remedies will _cause_ an economic crisis bozo!

Why am I wasting my time with such a brainwashed 'tard?

RL

hanson

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Apr 7, 2007, 12:08:09 PM4/7/07
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1st things 1st:
Global Warming is good. The more the better. Good for biz.
AWG is a God-sent. CO2 is a blessing. The more the better.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/70ed6372eccc32ba
Environmentalism makes the Rich richer and the Poor poorer, with
Al Gore leading this global con.... to fuck little people... him hoping
to cash in as Chairman of Generation Investment Management Bank.
>
>
"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175948866.8...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Scuttle Nutts aka Scott Nudds aka "Vendicar Decarian" aka

> VenDickarse DickArian aka <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>
>> "raylopez99" <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> > Posterity is taking names for future trials ala Enron. Roger, you
>> > willing to go to jail for being a Chicken Little and causing economic
>> > waste?
>>
[VD Scuttle Nutts]

>> Why did the Bush administration move to remove the warnings in
>> the IPCC report that warn of severe economic damage to the
>> AmeriKKKan economy as a result of the ongoing process of GW?
>
[Ray]

> Because they believe in growth. THis is the traditional way to get
> elected and stay elected as a pol. More jobs, more grwth, more
> 'good feelings' (except in this NG).
>
[VD Scuttle Nutts]

>> It is pretty clear that the KKKonservatives are now looking for
>> ways to hide their complicity in the massive economic crisis
>> looming for AmeriKKKa.
>>
[Ray]

> Adopting severe anti-GW remedies will _cause_ an economic
> crisis bozo!
>
[hanson]
ahahaha... ahahaha... You have not read/gotten what VD was
preaching here with his "massive economic crisis looming".
>
VD preaches and is always scuttling his nuts in these NG that the
US economy should become as broke and poor as he himself is.
Scott Nudds aka VD is in Canada as an US expatriate welfare
case who does vegetate there in his extreme hatred onto the US
and of course he would feel less embarrassed if the entire US
nation would be as fucked up as he himself is... ahahaha....
VD posted a few years back that his occupation consists of
"reading news-papers for 8 hours each day" on which hence he
bases and exhibits his shallow pinko-green opinions here which,
to boot, ALWAYS turn out to be wrong.... hahahahaha....
>
[Ray]

> Why am I wasting my time with such a brainwashed 'tard?

> like VD Scot Nudds
>
[hanson]
Ray, you are too kind to VD. You will have Nudds cornered when
he posts in response to yours: "Ray said nothing of consequence"
and cut'n-pastes a stale old news paper article because he has
nothing else left to say... ... (Watch VD now react as predicted)
You will have VD on your leash when he calls on you at least once
a week like he does with me.... VD is a very lonely, poverty stricken
old fart in his early 60's and when I feel like it I do occasionally play
with him.... ahahaha... and "playing" of course being "wasting time".
Happy Easter, Ray!
>
Scotty, enjoy all your pinko and green eggs that you have laid, even
if all that labor has not produced a single dime for you... ahahaha...
Happy Easter to you too, Scotty!
>
Hey, Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit": Happy Easter to you too!
I haven't forgotten you. Now post your usual, empty "Re: .. "
Maybe that will bring a dime for you. If so, tell Scotty to do
like wise... You know many times you are smarter then VD.
>
Thanks for the laughs, all you guys!
ahahaha... ahahahanson

Shitbag McCain Adulterer

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On Apr 7, 5:27 am, "raylopez99" <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Why am I wasting my time with such a brainwashed 'tard?
>
> RL

The visible SOCIOPATHY of Reichwinger

Apparently you are not qualified to diagnose your own evident

Shitbag McCain Adulterer

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On Apr 7, 9:08 am, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the laughs, all you guys!
> ahahaha... ahahahanson

So you finally made bail? When's your trial date?

Vendicar Decarian

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Apr 7, 2007, 8:27:45 PM4/7/07
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"Vendicar Decarian" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Why did the Bush administration move to remove the warnings in the IPCC
>> report that warn of severe economic damage to the AmeriKKKan economy as a
>> result of the ongoing process of Global Warming?


"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote


> Because they believe in growth.

So in your opinion they are promoting growth by suppressing the truth that
global warming will dramatically damage the North American economy...

Ahahahahahaha.... Entertain us with your logic behind that one....

>> It is pretty clear that the KKKonservatives are now looking for ways to
>> hide their complicity in the massive economic crisis looming for
>> AmeriKKKa.


"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote


> Adopting severe anti-GW remedies will _cause_ an economic crisis bozo!

And why do you think consuming resources at a 90% inefficiency rate is
necessary to prevent an economic crisis?

It appears to me that improving consumptive efficiency will leave more
financial resources for other things.

Maybe you think that destruction and waste are essential for the health of
the global economy.

If so, then I suggest that you start a local campaign in your city to
randomly shatter store windows in order to stimulate the economy through the
inefficient production and consumption of glass.


"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote


> Why am I wasting my time with such a brainwashed 'tard?

Because you are a Loser who must defend his KKKonservative Liedeology with
any and all manner of quackishness.

hanson

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Apr 7, 2007, 9:38:14 PM4/7/07
to
1st things 1st:
Global Warming is good. The more the better. Good for biz.
AWG is a God-sent. CO2 is a blessing. The more the better.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/70ed6372eccc32ba
Environmentalism makes the Rich richer and the Poor poorer, with
Al Gore leading this global con.... to fuck little people... him hoping
to cash in as Chairman of Generation Investment Management Bank.
>
Now then...
the self-labeled Shitbag Drunkard & Welfare case "Awe Shit" aka Lion Kuntz,
"Shitbag McCain Adulterer" <Adulterer.Mc...@Exxon-Turds.info>
w/i news:1175969222.9...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
a perfect description of himself, Lion Kuntz, elaborating from his current
confinment, saying:
::K:: "I cherish my anonymity... living in that basement in a secure,
::K:: undisclosed Location... as Lion Kuntz , Retired with walker, in
::K:: Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., California, CA 95401, USA ",...
>
==== Lion Kuntz, the Dunce, the portrait of a life-long loser ====
== is the damaged goods, the end result of the infamous ==
***** GREEN BIBLE & its enviro Theology ***** that says in this link
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/70ed6372eccc32ba
*** Environmentalism "makes the Rich richer and the Poor poorer!" ***
>
Futhermore Leon's steady decline into his thanolic pinko abyss as seen in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/21b72828229da0a0
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/05ca224ca8d207e2
has accelerated ever since he, Lion Kuntz, began posting as
*** "Melchizedek" <Gods_Fist at sbcglobal.net> who was aka
*** "Milks his Dick"... and Kuntz advocated large scale spamming
of the internet... ahahaha...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy/msg/443387786282d902
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/bcea8d967475dc99
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy/msg/118d8eddf5913fdf
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy/msg/f7dfe3bbe09b0498
>
It is hilariousr to see that "Awe Shit" seeks and reads every one
of my posts and.... cranks himself.. ahahahaha... AHAHAHA....
Thanks for the laughs, Leon. Now, have another gallon of your Nightrain.
ahahaha... ahahahanson


Carbon Criminal Polluters

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On Apr 7, 6:38 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> 1st things 1st:

> Thanks for the laughs, Leon. Now, have another gallon of your Nightrain.
> ahahaha... ahahahanson

The CORRUPT RICHARD S. LINDZEN, DESPICABLE OUTCAST OF SCIENCE

(Climatology) DOCTOR Richard Lindzen speaks about passive smoke and
health, Next up, prominent ROOFER discusses faults in modern Quantum
Mechanics Theory.
=========================
Philip Morris
Passive Smoking: How Great A Hazard?
Date: 19910700/P
Length: 48 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046323437-3484.html

Page 36: cyb09e00
Richard Lindzen, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has
emphasized that problems will arise where we will need to depend on
scientific judgement, and by ruining our credibility now we leave
society with a resource of some importance diminished. The
implementation of public policies must be based on good science, to
the degree that it is available, and not on emotion or on political
needs. Those who develop such policies must not stray from sound
scientific investigations, based only on accepted scientific
methodologies. Such has not always been the case with environmental
tobacco smoke.

=========================


In 1993 documents appeared in secret tobacco conspiracy file cabinets
about a fake science conference organized by the documented corrupt S.
Fred Singer. This meeting in Washington, DC, was facetiously titled
"Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process", funded by two
lung-killer industries tobacco and asbestos, and Lindzen was a
prominant hoaxer at this event. Lindzen has been paid in a CRIMINAL
CONSPIRACY to defraud the public on the immanent dangers of Global
Warming, just as he participated with co-conspirators to aid Singer's
science hoaxes on behalf of tobacco and asbestos SERIAL MURDERER
CORPORATIONS.

Every single fact below can stand up in court in the trial of Lindzen
for FELONY CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. Much more incriminating evidence will
be adduced at trial.


Google search engine reports 164 results looking for Richard S.
Lindzen AND "Washington Times" owned by the convicted felon Sun Myung
Moon. Moon has hosted many fake science conferences to exploit for
propaganda purposes. Singer apprenteced the fake science conference
back when Singer was President of the moonie "Washingon Institute for
Values in Public Policy". No records exist in public archives on what
Moon paid Singer as president of the Wash Inst, but here is a link
showing how generous Moon is to one successor president after Singer's
term -- $142,708/yr salary.
http://documents.guidestar.org/1998/521/293/1998-521293998-1-9.pdf

Moon is master of money laundering and subversive payoffs -- we will
never know who all he paid and how much they pocketed. We do know that
Google search engine finds 152 webpages linking Moon AND Lindzen.
There is an unseemly association between a science corruptor and a
known identified corrupt Lindzen: 314 webpage results for Lindzen AND
"Sun Myung Moon" OR "Washington Times".

http://tobaccodocuments.org/mayo_clinic/2025498346.html SUBJECT: The
Heidelberg Appeal Date: 23 Mar 1993

BACKGROUND

This coalition has its roots in the asbestos industry, but has become
a broad and independent movement in a littlc bit less than a year. We
are involved with the coalition through the French NMA, but we are
being discreet because some of the coalition members are concerned
about a "tobacco connection".

Our strategy is to continue discreetly supporting the coalition and
help it grow in size and credibility. The timing is particularly
opportune because of Bill Clinton's sympathy to the messages of the
coalition (see attached IHT article).

If you would like more information on how to help support thc
movement, pIease contact me or Tom Borelli on the US side.


http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2502284041-4042.html
(Philip Morris Documents)


Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process Semi-Final Program
930524 - 930525 the Madison Hotel 15th and M Streets, Nw Washington,
D.C. Date: 19930525/D
Length: 2 pages

Persons identified in pulling off this science hoax included: CORRUPT
Michael Fumento, CORRUPT Michael Gough, CORRUPT Robert Jastrow,
CORRUPT Michael Salomon, CORRUPT Robert Tollison, and the arch-
CORRUPTOR S. Fred Singer ringleader.


http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_S._Lindzen

Richard S. Lindzen

Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, a distinguished professor of meteorology at
MIT, is one of a small band of global warming skeptics used by
industry to undermine and delay any kind of regulatory action meant to
address the looming environmental crisis.

Lindzen was reported in 1995 to "charges oil and coal interests $2,500
a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a
Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels, and a speech he wrote,
entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific
Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC." [1]

According to Ross Gelbspan, Lindzen and skeptics like him -- including
Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Robert Balling, Dr. Sherwood Idso, and Dr. S.
Fred Singer, among others -- "assert flatly that their science is
untainted by funding. Nevertheless, in this persistent and well-funded
campaign of [global warming] denial they have become interchangeable
ornaments on the hood of a high-powered engine of disinformation.
Their dissenting opinions are amplified beyond all proportion through
the media while the concerns of the dominant majority of the world's
scientific establishment are marginalized. By keeping the discussion
focused on whether there is a problem in the first place, they have
effectively silenced the debate over what to do about it." [2]

External links

* Ross Gelbspan, "The Heat is On: The warming of the world's
climate sparks a blaze of denial," Harper's magazine, December 1995.
* Daniel Grossman, Dissent in the Maelstrom,"Scientific American,
November 2001.
* "Richard Lindzen," Wikipedia.

http://dieoff.org/page82.htm
THE HEAT IS ON:
The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial
by Ross Gelbspan.
from HARPER'S MAGAZINE/December, 1995

... The people who run the world's oil and coal companies know that
the march of science, and of political action, may be slowed by
disinformation. In the last year and a half, one of the leading oil
industry public relations outlets, the Global Climate Coalition, has
spent more than a million dollars to downplay the threat of climate
change. It expects to spend another $850,000 on the issue next year.
Similarly, the National Coal Association spent more than $700,000 on
the global climate issue in 1992 and 1993. In 1993 alone, the American
Petroleum Institute, just one of fifty-four industry members of the
GCC, paid $1.8 million to the public relations firm of Burson-
Marsteller partly in an effort to defeat a proposed tax on fossil
fuels. For perspective, this is only slightly less than the combined
yearly expenditures on global warming of the five major environmental
groups that focus on climate issues -- about $2.1 million, according
to officials of the Environmental Defense Fund, the Natural Resources
Defense Council, the Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists,
and the World Wildlife Fund.

For the most part the industry has relied on a small band of skeptics
-- Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Robert Balling, Dr.
Sherwood Idso, and Dr. S. Fred Singer, among others -- who have proven
extraordinarily adept at draining the issue of all sense of crisis.
Through their frequent pronouncements in the press and on radio and
television, they have helped to create the illusion that the question
is hopelessly mired in unknowns. Most damaging has been their
influence on decision makers; their contrarian views have allowed
conservative Republicans such as Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R.,
Calif.) to dismiss legitimate research concerns as "liberal claptrap"
and have provided the basis for the recent round of budget cuts to
those government science programs designed to monitor the health of
the planet.

Last May, Minnesota held hearings in St. Paul to determine the
environmental cost of coal burning by state power plants. Three of the
skeptics -- Lindzen, Michaels, and Balling -- were hired as expert
witnesses to testify on behalf of Western Fuels Association, a $400
million consortium of coal suppliers and coal-fired utilities.
[#1] ...

[#l In 1991, Western Fuels spent an estimated $250,000 to produce and
distribute a video entitled "The Greening of Planet Earth," which was
shown frequently inside the Bush White House as well as within the
governments of OPEC. In near-evangelical tones, the video promises
that a new age of agricultural abundance will result from increasing
concentrations of carbon dioxide. It portrays a world where vast areas
of desert are reclaimed by the carbon dioxide-forced growth of new
grasslands, where the earth's diminishing forests are replenished by a
nurturing atmosphere. Unfortunately, it overlooks the bugs. Experts
note that even a minor elevation in temperature would trigger an
explosion in the planet's insect population, leading to potentially
significant disruptions in food supplies from crop damage as well as
to a surge in insect-borne diseases. It appears that Western Fuels'
video fails to tell people what the termites in New Orleans may be
trying to tell them now.]

Vendicar Decarian

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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote Nothing but Ignorance.

Meanwhile...

NASA: Arctic Meltdown Threatens Ice Cap's Stability
Tue Apr 3, 3:30 PM ET


Perennial sea ice in the Arctic is melting faster each summer than it can be
replaced during winter, a new study confirms.

A study released last year found that perennial sea ice-which is at least 10
feet thick and remains throught the seasons and through the years-dropped 14
percent from 2004 to 2005.

The new study, detailed today in a NASA statement, finds that the ice
is
not being replaced, threatening the overall stability of the Arctic summer
ice
cap, which other studies have predicted could disappear completely by 2040.
When perennial ice disappears, it is sometimes replaced by thinner seasonal
ice,
some of which melts the following summer.

"Recent studies indicate Arctic perennial ice is declining seven to 10
percent
each decade," said Ron Kwok of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "Our study
gives the first reliable estimates of how perennial ice replenishment
varies
each year at the end of summer. The amount of first-year ice that survives
the
summer directly influences how thick the ice cover will be at the start of
the
next melt season."

Using satellite data from NASA's QuikScat and other data, Kwok studied six
annual cycles of Arctic perennial ice coverage from 2000 to 2006. The
scatterometer instrument on QuikScat sends radar pulses to the surface of
the
ice and measures the echoed radar pulses bounced back to the satellite.
These
measurements allow scientists to differentiate the seasonal ice from the
older,
perennial ice.

Kwok found that after the 2005 summer melt, only about four percent of the
nearly 965,000 square miles of thin, seasonal ice that formed the previous
winter survived the summer and replenished the perennial ice cover. That
was
the smallest replenishment seen in the study.

As a result, perennial ice coverage in January 2006 was about 14 percent
smaller than the previous January.

Ice can be depleted either by melting or by floating away. In 2005, the
study
found, the typically small amount of ice that moves out of the Arctic in
summer
was unusually high-about 7 percent of the perennial ice coverage area.
Kwok
said the high amount was due to unusual wind conditions at Fram Strait, an
Arctic passage between Antarctic Bay in Greenland and Svalbard, Norway.
Troughs
of low atmospheric pressure in the Greenland and Barents/Norwegian Seas on
both
sides of Fram Strait created winds that pushed ice out of the Arctic at an
increased rate.

The effects of ice movement out of the Arctic depend on the season. When
ice
moves out of the Arctic in the summer, it leaves behind an ocean that does
not
refreeze. This, in turn, increases ocean heating and leads to additional
thinning of the ice cover.

These findings suggest that the greater the number of freezing temperature
days
during the prior season, the thicker the ice cover, and the better its
chances
of surviving the next summer's melt, according to the NASA statement.
"The winters and summers before fall 2005 were unusually warm," Kwok said.
"The low replenishment seen in 2005 is potentially a cumulative effect of
these
trends."

Kwok also examined the 2000-2006 temperature records within the context of
longer-term temperature records dating back to 1958. He found a gradual
warming
trend in the first 30 years, which accelerated after the mid-1980s.

"The record doesn't show any hint of recovery from these trends," he
stated.
"If the correlations between replenishment area and numbers of freezing and
melting temperature days hold long-term, its expected the perennial ice
coverage will continue to decline."

Kwok points to a possible trigger for the declining perennial ice cover. In
the
early 1990s, variations in the North Atlantic Oscillation, a large-scale
atmospheric seesaw that affects how air circulates over the Atlantic Ocean,
were linked to a large increase in Arctic ice export. It appears the ice
cover
has not yet recovered from these variations.

"We're seeing a decreasing trend in perennial ice coverage," he said. "Our
study suggests that, on average, the area of seasonal ice that survives the
summer may no longer be large enough to sustain a stable perennial ice
cover,
especially in the face of accelerating climate warming and Arctic sea ice
thinning."


Vendicar Decarian

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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote Nothing but Ignorance....

raylopez99

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On Apr 7, 5:27 pm, "Vendicar Decarian" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>

> And why do you think consuming resources at a 90% inefficiency rate is
> necessary to prevent an economic crisis?

Where did you pull the "90%" figure, out of your arse? The same place
that lightbulb came out of?

>
> It appears to me that improving consumptive efficiency will leave more
> financial resources for other things.
>
> Maybe you think that destruction and waste are essential for the health of
> the global economy.
>
> If so, then I suggest that you start a local campaign in your city to
> randomly shatter store windows in order to stimulate the economy through the
> inefficient production and consumption of glass.

Actually, the left-winger's favorite economist, John Maynard Keynes,
who was queer like you, did in fact believe in this sort of
stimulation of the economy during times of crisis.

RL

hanson

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Lion Kuntz, the "Carbon Criminal Polluters" aka "Awe Shit"
<Carbon.Crimi...@Exxon-Turds.info> said

::K:: "I cherish my anonymity... living in that basement in a secure,
::K:: undisclosed Location... as Lion Kuntz , Retired with walker, in
::K:: Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., California, CA 95401, USA ",...
==== Lion Kuntz, the Dunce, the portrait of a life-long loser ====
== is the damaged goods, the end result of the infamous ==
***** GREEN BIBLE & its enviro Theology ***** that says in this link
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/70ed6372eccc32ba
*** Environmentalism "makes the Rich richer and the Poor poorer!" ***
Futhermore Leon's steady decline into his ethanolic pinko abyss as seen inNow Leon Kuntz, the Dunce, posted an old stale newspaper article
but forgot about ------------ 1st things 1st: -------------- in that

Global Warming is good. The more the better. Good for biz.
AWG is a God-sent. CO2 is a blessing. The more the better.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/70ed6372eccc32ba
Environmentalism makes the Rich richer and the Poor poorer, with
Al Gore leading this global con.... to fuck little people... him hoping
to cash in as Chairman of Generation Investment Management Bank.

Thanks for the laughs, Leon. Now, have another gallon of your Nightrain.
ahahaha... ahahahanson
>

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aka "Moebius Pretzel" "wishes Osama Bin Laden a happy 50th-ish
birthday". VD has posted under <VD at Pyro.net>, aka Fartin' "Martin"
at Pyro.net> aka <GOD at Pyro.net> aka "VistaKing" aka "Scott Douglas"
BUT VD is always waiting in high anxiety for his late welfare "checKKK"
to arrive from the "AmeriKKKan" government which addressed the $$$$
to "US-Expatriate Scott Nudds, Hamilton, Canada"... who characterized
himself in:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/637bc182d88f8894
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/cb0c66d9bd07a830
with lots of other good stuff, incl. where VD **Scuttled his Nuts**... 'cuz
:: "VD creamed in his pants when Naomi took her bra off. ... and "the
:: other guys laughed and called you "Scuttle Nutts". .... ahahahaha....
and wherein VD Scotty further maintains that:
::VD:: In 20 years of being on line ... I [VD] have asked thousands.
::VD:: [Their] Typical answeres [to me, VD Scotty,] are...
::VD:: "Fuck off Moron"
::VD:: debt is indeed foremost on my [VD's]
::VD:: warped, tiny mind. [03-07-05]
>
> Meanwhile...

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aka "Moebius Pretzel" "wishes Osama Bin Laden a happy 50th-ish
birthday". VD has posted under <VD at Pyro.net>, aka Fartin' "Martin"
at Pyro.net> aka <GOD at Pyro.net> aka "VistaKing" aka "Scott Douglas"
BUT VD is always waiting in high anxiety for his late welfare "checKKK"
to arrive from the "AmeriKKKan" government which addressed the $$$$
to "US-Expatriate Scott Nudds, Hamilton, Canada"... who characterized
himself in:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/637bc182d88f8894
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/cb0c66d9bd07a830
with lots of other good stuff, incl. where VD **Scuttled his Nuts**... 'cuz
:: "VD creamed in his pants when Naomi took her bra off. ... and "the
:: other guys laughed and called you "Scuttle Nutts". .... ahahahaha....
and wherein VD Scotty further maintains that:
::VD:: In 20 years of being on line ... I [VD] have asked thousands.
::VD:: [Their] Typical answeres [to me, VD Scotty,] are...
::VD:: "Fuck off Moron"
::VD:: debt is indeed foremost on my [VD's]
::VD:: warped, tiny mind. [03-07-05]
>
> Meanwhile...

1st things 1st:

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"Vendicar Decarian" <BushIsA...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> And why do you think consuming resources at a 90% inefficiency rate is
>> necessary to prevent an economic crisis?


"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote


> Where did you pull the "90%" figure, out of your arse? The same place
> that lightbulb came out of?

You mean the lightbulb you have been licking? That one came out of
KindaSleeza Rice's ass. She keeps them there right beside Saddam's WMD.

90% inefficiency is an estimate of course, based on the realization that
product lifetimes can invariably be extended by at least a factor of 2 with
due to the current manufacturing policy of purposely producing products that
fail, and then applying some service to extend the lifetime by another
factor of 2. That reduces the size of the needed workforce by 75% right
there. And then there is the additional effort not needed by the secondary
teer workers who are no longer needed to support the 75% of the first teer
workers that are now unnecessary, and then the thrid not needed to support
the second, etc.

In addition I exclude military personell who are negatively productive as
a result of their entire purpose which is to murder and destroy wealth.

I also include a modest efficiency gain of about 5% as wage slave adults
who would otherwise have no time to train their children to be good citizens
are given the time and opportunity to actually raise their children and
monitor their activities so that they don't go around breaking windows,
dealling drugs, and stealing cars.

There wouild also be a considerable reduction in the required size of the
police forces as a result, and a decrease in the need for security guards to
protect property from adolescent vandals, and adult vandals who have not
been adequately socialized. I estimate this as high as 10% of the current
economy.

In addition the service sector would be dramatically reduced in size as
well, as people gain sufficient time to become more self reliant and self
sufficient, Demand for leisure services though would expand several
hundred percent though as people actually acquire leasure time. This
expansion would be from what is now essentially zero, so there is no
significant impact on the efficiency of the economy.

So the estimiate is somewhere between a workforce reduction of somewhere
between 85 to 95 percent while maintaining the same level of material wealth
and prosperity.

Spread over the entire public, this represents a reduction of the work
week to one full day of work every 2 weeks.

>> It appears to me that improving consumptive efficiency will leave more
>> financial resources for other things.
>>
>> Maybe you think that destruction and waste are essential for the health
>> of
>> the global economy.
>>
>> If so, then I suggest that you start a local campaign in your city to
>> randomly shatter store windows in order to stimulate the economy through
>> the
>> inefficient production and consumption of glass.


"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote


> Actually, the left-winger's favorite economist, John Maynard Keynes,
> who was queer like you, did in fact believe in this sort of
> stimulation of the economy during times of crisis.

And Adam Smith. Was he a queer too Ray?

KKKonservatives argue that they must "stimulate the economy" every day of
the year by borrowing trillions more wealth from and becoming more indebted
to and owned by the Communist Chinese.

Feel free to respond in email to ...

BushIsA...@HotMail.com

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Bush Ripped on Global Warming

By Luke O'Brien| Also by this reporter
15:00 PM Feb, 07, 2007

WASHINGTON -- Congress continued to probe allegations Wednesday that the
Bush administration tried to muzzle government scientists on climate change
and suppress scientific research, including a comprehensive report in 2000
on global warming's impact on the United States.

During a Senate Commerce Committee hearing, both Democratic and Republican
lawmakers weighed in with harsh words for an administration that has come
under fire in the 110th Congress for its stance on climate change.

"One incidence of political tampering with science is too many," said Sen.
Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), the committee chairman, referring to a survey
released last week by two advocacy groups that showed widespread political
interference in research related to global warming.

"For years we have been frustrated by the lack of recognition and
cooperation on the part of the administration on addressing this issue,"
said Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona).

Sen. John Kerry (D-Massachusetts) blasted the alleged political meddling,
calling it "George Orwell at its best."

At the hearing, several witnesses testified that they had experienced or
seen political interference by the Bush administration in climate-change
science. Witnesses said press officers at the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration and other agencies had manipulated or obstructed
media interviews with government scientists. Witnesses also said that
important research on global warming had been downplayed, edited or
suppressed by a system of "minders" and "gatekeepers."

Rick Piltz, the director of the climate science watch program at watchdog
group the Government Accountability Project, said the Bush administration
effectively quashed official use of the 2000 National Assessment report on
global warming in the United States.

According to Piltz, who worked for White House climate-change programs from
1995 to 2005, the report remains "the most comprehensive, scientifically
based assessment of the potential consequences of climate change for the
United States." In his written statement, he called the suppression of the
report "the central climate science scandal of the (Bush) administration."

Other witnesses testified that agency flacks had hindered their ability to
inform the public about their research. In his written statement to the
committee, Tom Knutson, a meteorologist and hurricane expert at NOAA,
detailed several instances in which his media interviews were mysteriously
canceled or language in his presentations was changed.

Internal NOAA e-mails (.pdf) obtained by a Freedom of Information Act
request last year suggest a plan to keep Knutson from discussing any
evidence connecting global warming to stronger hurricanes.

James Mahoney, a deputy administrator of NOAA from 2002 to 2006, also said
he had seen scientists discouraged from talking to the media during his time
at the agency. Other witnesses bemoaned cuts in areas of funding at NOAA and
NASA that would reduce the number of satellites and Earth-observing
instruments in space by 35 percent by 2010, making it harder to study
climate change and predict natural disasters.

The committee hoped to hear from representatives from the U.S. Office of
Science and Technology Policy, which advises the White House on science
issues, but none showed up, leaving William Brennan, acting director of the
U.S. Climate Change Science Program, to defend the administration.

Kerry saved his most withering comments for Brennan, expressing outrage over
the amount of progress on climate change achieved by Brennan's program,
which seeks to integrate research on climate change from 13 federal
agencies.

"I think this is the most serious dereliction of public responsibility that
I've ever seen," Kerry said. "This is a disgrace. You're turning your backs
on future generations in this country and potentially inviting a global
catastrophe."

Brennan said his group would soon be releasing 21 reports covering a range
of key issues related to climate change that would help inform policy. A
comparison of the research schedule released by the Climate Change Science
Program in July 2003 and a current status summary of the research reveals
that the program has failed to meet its deadlines or is behind schedule on
20 of the 21 reports.


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American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)

AAAS Board Statement on Climate Change
--------------------------------------

Approved by the AAAS Board of Directors

9 December 2006

For more information:

www.aaas.org/climate

The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human
activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.

Accumulating data from across the globe reveal a wide array of effects:
rapidly melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets, increases in
extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts in species ranges, and more. The
pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the
last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now.

The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, a critical greenhouse gas,
is higher than it
has been for at least 650,000 years. The average temperature of the Earth is
heading for levels not experienced for millions of years. Scientific
predictions of the impacts of increasing atmospheric concentrations of
greenhouse gases from fossil fuels and deforestation match observed changes.
As expected, intensification of droughts, heat waves, floods, wildfires, and
severe storms is occurring, with a mounting toll on vulnerable ecosystems
and societies.

These events are early warning signs of even more devastating damage to
come, some of which will be irreversible.

Delaying action to address climate change will increase the environmental
and societal consequences as well as the costs. The longer we wait to tackle
climate change, the harder and more expensive the task will be.

History provides many examples of society confronting grave threats by
mobilizing knowledge and promoting innovation. We need an aggressive
research, development and eployment effort to transform the existing and
future energy systems of the world away from technologies that emit
greenhouse gases. Developing clean energy technologies will provide economic
opportunities and ensure future energy supplies.

In addition to rapidly reducing greenhouse gas emissions, it is essential
that we develop strategies to adapt to ongoing changes and make communities
more resilient to future changes. The growing torrent of information
presents a clear message: we are already experiencing global climate change.
It is time to muster the political will for concerted action. Stronger
leadership at all levels is needed. The time is now. We must rise to the
challenge. We owe this to future generations.

The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific consensus
represented by, for example, the intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(www.ipcc.ch/), and the joint National Academies' statement

(http://nationalacademies. org/onpi/06072005.pdf).


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Climate Change Threatens New Dust Bowl

Apr 5 02:07 PM US/Eastern
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID
AP Science Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) - Changing climate will mean increasing drought in
the Southwest-a region where water already is in tight
supply-according to a new study.

"The bottom line message for the average person and also for the
states and federal government is that they'd better start planning
for a Southwest region in which the water resources are increasingly
stretched," said Richard Seager of Columbia University's Lamont
Doherty Earth Observatory.

Seager is lead author of the study published online Thursday by the
journal Science.

Researchers studied 19 computer models of the climate, using data
dating back to 1860 and projecting into the future. The same models
were used in preparing the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change.

The consensus of the models was that climate in the southwestern
United States and parts of northern Mexico began a transition to
drier conditions late in the 20th century and is continuing the
trend in this century, as climate change alters the movement of
storms and moisture in the atmosphere.

The reduction in rainfall could reach levels of the 1930s Midwest
dust bowl, Seager said in a telephone interview.

That doesn't mean there would be dust storms like those of the
1930s, Seager said, because conditions at that time were also
complicated by poor agricultural practices. But he said the
reduction in rainfall could be equivalent to those times when
thousands of farmers abandoned their parched land and moved away in
search of jobs.

Currently, the majority of water in the Southwest is used in
agriculture, but the urban population of the region is growing and
so the water needs of people are growing as well, he explained.
"So, in a case where there is a reduced water supply, there will
have to be some reallocation between the users," Seager said. "The
water available is already fully allocated."

He said feels that adjustments can be made to deal with the change,
perhaps by withdrawing some land from production and by conserving
water in urban areas.

"But it's something that needs to be planned for," Seager said.
"It's time to start thinking how to deal with that."
Jonathan T. Overpeck, director of the Institute for the Study of
Planet Earth at the University of Arizona, said the finding "agrees
with what is already happening in the Southwest, and will be further
complicated by the already declining spring snowpack due to
warming."

"These are scary results, but scary in part because they are results
of well thought-out scientific work by a large number of strong
scientists," said Overpeck, who was not part of the research team.
In other reports in this week's issue of Science:

-Researchers led by Alan Gange of the University of London reported
that as a result of warming temperatures some species of mushrooms
and toadstools in southern England have begun to fruit twice a year
rather than just once.

They found that some species that previously only fruited in October
now also fruit in April. In addition, the length of the fruiting
period has grown over time and in the last decade alone it has more
than doubled, they found.

-Deep waters in the North Atlantic some 125,000 years ago were
warmer than they are now and may have helped melt the Antarctic ice
sheets, according to researchers led by Jean-Claude Duplessy of the
Laboratory of Climate and the Environment of Institute Pierre Simon
Laplace outside Paris.

Deep North Atlantic water flows south and then rises to the surface
near Antarctica. The researchers said that current warming climate
trends indicate similar conditions to that period could occur in the
next couple of centuries.


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aka <BushIsA...@hotmail.com> aka Scott Nudds, the traitor,
aka "Moebius Pretzel" "wishes Osama Bin Laden a happy 50th-ish
birthday". VD has posted under <VD at Pyro.net>, aka Fartin' "Martin"
at Pyro.net> aka <GOD at Pyro.net> aka "VistaKing" aka "Scott Douglas"
BUT VD is always waiting in high anxiety for his late welfare "checKKK"
to arrive from the "AmeriKKKan" government which addressed the $$$$
to "US-Expatriate Scott Nudds, Hamilton, Canada"... who characterized
himself in:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/637bc182d88f8894
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/cb0c66d9bd07a830
with lots of other good stuff, incl. where VD **Scuttled his Nuts**... 'cuz
:: "VD creamed in his pants when Naomi took her bra off. ... and "the
:: other guys laughed and called you "Scuttle Nutts". .... ahahahaha....
and wherein VD Scotty further maintains that:
::VD:: In 20 years of being on line ... I [VD] have asked thousands.
::VD:: [Their] Typical answeres [to me, VD Scotty,] are...
::VD:: "Fuck off Moron"
::VD:: debt is indeed foremost on my [VD's]
::VD:: warped, tiny mind. [03-07-05]
>
> Meanwhile...

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Ex-CIA chief says U.S. must act on climate
Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:07 AM ET

By Paul Taylor

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The United States must act to cap its emissions of
greenhouse gases and join the fight against climate change or risk losing
global leadership, a former CIA director said in a report released on
Monday.

"The United States must adopt a carbon emission control policy," John
Deutch, head of the Central Intelligence Agency in 1995-96, said in a report
to the Trilateral Commission, a grouping of business and opinion leaders
from Europe, the United States and Asia.

"If the United States or any other OECD country that is a large producer of
greenhouse gas emissions is to retain a leadership role in other areas, it
cannot just opt out of the global climate change policy process," he wrote.

Deutch, an energy specialist who is now a professor at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology, also proposed an expanded use of nuclear power,
international cooperation to develop clean coal technology and a sharing of
the costs of emissions control between rich countries and large emerging
nations.

He advocated an additional tax of about $1 per gallon on gasoline, diesel
and other petroleum products in the United States, coupled with a tightening
of fuel economy standards for U.S. car manufacturers, to encourage fuel
efficiency and dampen demand, while recognizing that would be politically
difficult.

CAP AND TRADE

He suggested Washington use the same "cap and trade" system of limiting
carbon dioxide emissions and issuing emissions permits to industry that can
be traded, which the European Union currently uses.

His report to the council, created in 1973 to build a policy consensus among
capitalist democracies on three continents, was the latest in a series of
international studies highlighting the need for radical policy changes to
combat global warming.

Deutch also listed so-called geotechnical measures under consideration to
counterbalance climate change, including adding aerosols to the
stratosphere, placing balloons or mirrors in the stratosphere and even "high
altitude nuclear explosions to induce a nuclear 'spring'".

These ideas were so risky and hard to demonstrate technically that they
highlighted the need to redouble efforts to mitigate human-induced climate
change.

The report said the major industrialized countries must began a process of
transition away from a petroleum-based economy to reduce their dependence on
oil and gas imports for political as well as environmental reasons.

It also called for China and India to be admitted to the International
Energy Agency to improve cooperation among major oil and gas importers and
help avoid tensions over supplies.

While Deutch placed great expectations on carbon capture and sequestration
technology to reduce emissions from coal-fired power stations, notably in
China, a parallel report to the Trilateral Commission by French energy
executive Anne Lauvergeon cast doubt on that solution.

Lauvergeon, chief executive of Areva, which builds nuclear power stations,
said the capture and storage of carbon emitted through the burning of fossil
fuels was too often presented as a miracle solution.

"This technology will ... not play a significant role in the limitation of
carbon emissions for half a century," she wrote.


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Ex-official defends changing reports By H. JOSEF HEBERT, AP
Mon Mar 19, 5:31 PM ET


WASHINGTON - A former White House official accused of improperly editing
reports
on global warming defended his editing changes Monday, saying they reflected
views in a 2001 report by the National Academy of Sciences.

House Democrats said the 181 changes made in three climate reports reflected
a
consistent attempt to emphasize the uncertainties surrounding the science of
climate change and undercut the broad conclusions that man-made emissions
are
warming the earth.

Philip Cooney, former chief of staff at the White House Council on
Environmental
Quality, acknowledged at a House hearing that some of the changes he made
were
"to align these communications with the administration's stated policy" on
climate change.

The extent of Cooney's editing of government climate reports first surfaced
in
2005. Shortly thereafter, Cooney, a former oil industry lobbyist, left the
White
House to work at Exxon Mobil Corp.

"My concern is that there was a concerted White House effort to inject
uncertainty into the climate debate," said Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio,
voting
record), D-Calif., chairman of the House Government Reform Committee.
Cooney's appearance before Waxman's committee Monday was the first time he
has
spoken publicly, or was extensively questioned, about the issue.
Cooney said that many of the changes he made to the reports - such as
uncertainty about the regional impact of climate change and limits on
climate
modeling - reflected findings of a 2001 National Academy of Sciences report
on
climate.

Waxman's committee also heard from James Hansen, director of NASA's
Goddard Institute for Space Studies and one of the country's leading climate
scientists, who said the White House repeatedly tried to control what
government
scientists say to the public and media about climate change.
"Interference with communications of science to the public has been greater
during the current administration than at any time in my career," said
Hansen,
who was one of the first to raise concerns about climate change in the
1980s.
Hansen's battles with NASA and White House public affairs officials are not
new
and resulted in an easing of NASA's policies toward scientists talking to
the
media about their work.

But that was not always the case.

Hansen said that in 2005 he was told by a 24-year-old NASA public affairs
official he could not take part in an interview with National Public Radio
on
orders from senior NASA public affairs officials. Instead, three other NASA
officials were offered for the interview.

The young press officer, George Deutsch, now 26, sat next to Hansen at the
witness table Monday and told the committee he had simply been "relaying"
the
views of higher-ups at NASA that Hansen was not to participate in the
interview.
Rep. Darrell Issa (news, bio, voting record), R-Calif., suggested that
Hansen
was not being muzzled at all and that there is nothing wrong with government
scientists being subject to some limits in what they say.

"You're speaking on federal paid time. Your employer happens to be the
American
taxpayer," Issa lectured Hansen. He said a Google search had shown Hansen
cited
on more than 1,400 occasions over a year in interviews and appearances.
Hansen said he accepted only "a small fraction" of the requests for
interviews
and appearances and that, as a matter of free speech, government scientists
should not be restrained in their remarks or have public affairs officers
listening in on interviews.

"It doesn't ring true," said Hansen. "It's not the American way. And it's
not
constitutional."

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Exclusive: Report Charges Broad White House Efforts to Stifle Climate
Research

March 27, 2007 12:13 PM

Justin Rood Reports:

Bush administration officials throughout the government have engaged
in White House-directed efforts to stifle, delay or dampen the release
of climate change research that casts the White House or its policies
in a bad light, says a new report that purports to be the most
comprehensive assessment to date of the subject.

Researchers for the non-profit watchdog Government Accountability
Project reviewed thousands of e-mails, memos and other documents
obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests and from
government whistle-blowers and conducted dozens of interviews with
public affairs staff, scientists, reporters and others.

The group says it has identified hundreds of instances where White
House-appointed officials interfered with government scientists'
efforts to convey their research findings to the public, at the behest
of top administration officials.

The report is slated to be released tomorrow at a hearing before the
House Science Committee, which is investigating the issue.

"The evidence suggests that incidents of interference are often top-
down reactions to science that has negative policy or public relations
implications for the administration," the group says in its report.

Some of the alleged interference -- including restricting scientists'
ability to talk with the press and Congress -- may have violated
federal laws protecting their right to speak, the group concludes.

"Directives and signals" from White House offices, like the Council on
Environmental Quality, the Office of Science and Technology Policy and
the Office of Management and Budget, are handed down to political
appointees and politically-aligned civil servants through off-the-
record conversations, the report says. Frequently, those giving the
direction have little or no scientific background, according to the
report.

The alleged interference took the form of "delaying, monitoring,
screening, and denying interviews" between government scientists and
media outlets, as well as delaying, denying or "inappropriate[ly]
editing" press releases conveying scientific findings to the public.

Political appointees also suppressed, delayed and inappropriately
edited reports produced by government scientists for Congress and the
public, the Washington, D.C.-based group concluded.

In some cases, the policies and practices the group says were enacted
to squelch damaging scientific information "constitute constitutional
and statutory infringements of the federal climate science employees'
free speech and whistle-blower rights," the report finds.

"Claims the administration interfered with science are false," Kristen
Hellmer, spokeswoman for the White House Council on Environmental
Quality, told ABC News. "We spend nearly $2 billion a year on climate
science, which leads the world and speaks for itself."

Tarek Maassarani, the report's author, cautioned that he did not see
evidence of a single coordinated White House effort to block credible
climate research. Instead, he believed officials acted only when a
piece of research or particular issue showed up on their political
radar. "They're reacting to situations most of the time," Maassarani
told ABC News.

The investigation covered the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration (NASA), the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
Administration (NOAA), the Departments of Energy and Agriculture, the
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and elsewhere.

Evidence and allegations of political interference in government
climate change research have dogged the Bush administration, even from
fellow Republicans. Last November, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., charged
the administration had broken the law by failing to deliver news of
climate change research to Congress by a legally-mandated deadline of
November 2004.

"When you get to that degree of obfuscation, then you get a little
depressed," McCain said then.

House Science and Technology Oversight Subcommittee Chairman Brad
Miller, D-N.C., said the report's findings were "alarming" but
"confirm what we knew all along" and looked forward to learning more
at tomorrow's hearing.


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